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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's no secret the Arizona Cardinals quarterback Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray wants a contract extension. We started yesterday's show talking

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Speaker 1: about Kyler Murray and his agent and what Tony Kornheiser

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Speaker 1: on Pardon the Interruption likened to a ransom note. Basically, Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you want this quarterback, pay this amount of money

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Speaker 1: and then we'll give him to you. His agent released

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Speaker 1: a statement that said actions speak louder than words and

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals should be rushing to extend their quote

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Speaker 1: rapidly improving quarterback end quote Kyler's great talent, but rapidly

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Speaker 1: improving might be a stretch because he's had similar numbers

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Speaker 1: all three years in the league, and these are good numbers,

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl numbers. But if actions speak louder than words,

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Speaker 1: his performance in the playoffs certainly don't build well for him.

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Speaker 1: Because Murray completed fifty five percent of his passes, no touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: two interceptions versus the Rams in the wild card game.

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Speaker 1: Actions speak louder than words. If you're going to pay

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Speaker 1: a quarterback forty five million dollars a year, you need

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Speaker 1: to show up in big games. And or at least

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Speaker 1: have an overall winning record, which he doesn't. Now, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals aren't going to get rid of Kyler Murray, I

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Speaker 1: don't think. But it does put them in an interesting

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Speaker 1: position because if Kyler Murray, let's say you play this

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Speaker 1: out one more year before you pay him. But let's

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Speaker 1: say he doesn't improve. Let's say he gives you twenty

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Speaker 1: five touchdowns, ten interceptions, rushes for seven hundred yards. That's

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Speaker 1: what he does, and those are good numbers. Those aren't

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Speaker 1: great numbers, but those are good numbers. I want to

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Speaker 1: see if they advance in the playoffs, because really that's

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Speaker 1: the key, because he might be a Russell Wilson type

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Speaker 1: quarterback where he's not going to have big numbers, but

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Speaker 1: he's going to be dangerous. He's going to be daring

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Speaker 1: game on the line. That's the guy you want. He

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Speaker 1: can beat you with his arm and his legs. But

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Speaker 1: you start to make these kind of demands and I

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Speaker 1: would wait, and I'd wait it out. Now, you might

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Speaker 1: upset him or his agent, But what if what if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't give me a great year? What if he underwhelms,

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Speaker 1: then I can move on a little bit easier. In

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Speaker 1: the fan base will probably say, yeah, he's not worth

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Speaker 1: the headache. I do like Kyler Murray. I think he's

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Speaker 1: he has the potential to be a great player. But

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Speaker 1: I think that there is there's a polarizing aspect of him.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I can look at this and say

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Speaker 1: he's immature. I mean he's young, he's twenty four, but

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Speaker 1: he's being a businessman. If you're gonna be a businessman,

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Speaker 1: then you have to be grown up. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think that yesterday did him any great service. You know,

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Speaker 1: if his agent and Kyler Murray talked today, I want

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Speaker 1: to know if they go, Yep, we had a good

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Speaker 1: day yesterday, because I don't think they did. I think

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Speaker 1: they had a bad day perception wise. But you have

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Speaker 1: to think these things through. You have to sit down

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Speaker 1: and go, Okay, this is what we're going to do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what kind of reaction do you think we're going to get? Oh,

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Speaker 1: they'll probably be this kind of reaction from the media.

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Speaker 1: What about the Cardinals. Oh, they probably won't do anything.

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Speaker 1: They won't say anything publicly. Okay, Well what if the

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Speaker 1: media says that we're, you know, holding him up for ransom?

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Speaker 1: Well that's okay, But I don't know how you could

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Speaker 1: go through this process and go, hey, we had a

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Speaker 1: good day. Now we did talk about Kyler Murray. Then

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Speaker 1: you start to dissect his career. You start to look

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Speaker 1: at what he does and doesn't do. You compare him

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Speaker 1: to other quarterbacks, other quarterbacks who got their contract a

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Speaker 1: year earlier. And I understand that. You can say, Jared Goff,

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Speaker 1: did he deserve it when he went to the super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Now is he a franchise quarterback? No, but he went

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, and I'll put that on the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they extended him, but they did.

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz he got a extended and I think we

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Speaker 1: thought he was going to be the MVP. Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: got his contract extended. Patrick Mahomes a year early. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I look at Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: in a different category than I do Kyler Murray. But

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray needs to prove in the playoffs. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of great regular season quarterbacks. You know. Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard a peep out of his camp, and

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is far more worthy of a contract extension, right.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything with Lamar Jackson from his camp, Lamar,

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Speaker 1: anybody now, is that going to get done? Yes? Like

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, I would not extend him. And this is

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Speaker 1: where you bet on yourself. If you're Kyler Murray, you

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Speaker 1: just say, all right, I'm going to bet on myself.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's what he did yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but Dak Prescott bet on himself. And if you are

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Speaker 1: that good, then bet on yourself. Because Kyler Murray he

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Speaker 1: wants it. Now. Well, I'm still not sure if I

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Speaker 1: want to give you forty five million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: And I know that sounds strange because that's the going rate.

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Speaker 1: I just can't wrap my head around. Everybody the next

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Speaker 1: guy up gets this kind of money. Is Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. No, not everybody. Is Patrick Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: wants fifty and then his agents pointing out that you

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Speaker 1: got broadcasters are making twenty million. Josh Allen deserves the money.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes deserves the money. I guess if you want

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Speaker 1: to say somebody deserves fifty million dollars, Hell, we're paying

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Speaker 1: John Wall forty two million dollars to not play basketball,

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Speaker 1: so it sound like, you go, man, the Packers going

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Speaker 1: out to pay Aaron Rodgers fifty million. Yeah, and that's

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Speaker 1: the going rate for great players. Kyler Murray's not in

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Speaker 1: that category, but he's the next guy up. I would

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Speaker 1: be waiting to see what Lamar Jackson gets and then

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Speaker 1: maybe that helps your case, maybe you get more money

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Speaker 1: out of this. But I'd be betting on myself. But

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that they thought that it was going

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Speaker 1: to be a great, great day yesterday with that strategy,

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Speaker 1: because it's like, here, Chefty report this and then let's

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Speaker 1: see what happens. Discuss eight forty five in the morning,

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Speaker 1: and then everybody was all over this, and then what

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Speaker 1: happens is you start to look at the negatives of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or you start to downgrade him because of

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Speaker 1: this approach. If nobody's saying anything about Lamar Jackson today,

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Speaker 1: nobody's going, you know, I don't know if he's worth

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Speaker 1: forty five billion Kyler Murray. That's the discussion you're getting.

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Speaker 1: You know, is he worth that? No? And let's see

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Speaker 1: what he does in the playoffs. What kind of poll

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Speaker 1: question do we have today? There, Seaton O'Connor, that actually

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Speaker 1: is a perfect springboard day, our one pay. Yesterday's letter

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Speaker 1: from Kyler Murray's agent was best for Kyler or the Cardinals? Oh? Well?

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Speaker 1: Was it best for the I guess it's best for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals if they get to the point where they

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Speaker 1: want to move on from him. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: this helps in the negotiations other than I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: is he humbled by this and all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: he goes, you know what? The second thought I you know,

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Speaker 1: let's get a team friendly contract here. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's anything that they look back and go, you

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Speaker 1: know what, this is going to change our approach here,

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Speaker 1: don't I don't see that. So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: it means for the Cardinals that they're going to get

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Speaker 1: him for a cheaper rate or they get a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of a Hall pass if they decided not

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Speaker 1: to extend him. What else do you have? Seed, Well,

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Speaker 1: there's another bombshell story that's just been rocking the sports landscape.

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Speaker 1: Did the Packers deliberately snub Aaron Rodgers on the UK promo? Yes? No?

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, okay, So the Packers are going to play

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Speaker 1: in London and they hadn't played there and they were

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Speaker 1: going to recreate the Abbey Road Foe with the Beatles

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Speaker 1: and have four players walking across the cross quad. Where

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Speaker 1: did they get that idea from? Yeah? Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: I think you have a coach and four players back

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Speaker 1: tri's on there, No Davanta Adams, no Aaron Rodgers, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's like, what's that mean.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that the Green Bay Packers front office

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Speaker 1: didn't know about this because of the sensitivity level when

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Speaker 1: you attach Aaron Rodgers to this, I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: somebody goes, hey, who did the promo for the London game? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Lipper and Tommy Snell, you know are two twenty

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Speaker 1: five year old intern Like. I don't think that happens

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Speaker 1: like this. I don't think you have that where you

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Speaker 1: go just slap some guys together. Nobody's gonna be reading

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Speaker 1: into this. I would if I'm the Packers, I would

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Speaker 1: go into it with the approach of we want Davonte

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Aaron on our team. We expect them, we

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Speaker 1: hope they're there, like we're thinking positive things here not

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do we put him in there? Do

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Speaker 1: we not? I would go under the assumption Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is under contract and we want him here and we're

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Speaker 1: planning on him being here. But to leave Rogers and

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Speaker 1: Adams out of the tweet for the London game, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a topic for McAfee today with Rogers

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Speaker 1: You know nothing that maybe one hundred million dollar contract

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Speaker 1: couldn't if you can fix Aaron. Sorry about the London snub.

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Speaker 1: Here's two years, one hundred million dollars. Okay, I'll get

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Speaker 1: over it. Yeah, se Davante, I could see leaving out

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Speaker 1: because he's a free agent. Yeah, so he's not even

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Speaker 1: it's still I don't know, it's crazy, all right. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they should have put Aaron Rodgers in that picture?

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Speaker 1: Paulie should have? Okay, yeah, you should have because it's

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Speaker 1: it's the clearest star on the team, Fritzie. Just his

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Speaker 1: sensitivity alone to everything Rodgers is recent enough to incorporate

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Speaker 1: him somewhere in the Seaton. No, I don't think they

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Speaker 1: should have because he's doing everything about. It's this grand

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Speaker 1: don't know where will I be. We have to watch it.

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Speaker 1: See Like, okay, dude, then we're not going to put

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Speaker 1: you in the thing A big deal. I mean you

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Speaker 1: could have Aaron Rodgers go I'm not a Beatles fans Marv.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Packers should have put him

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Speaker 1: in there? Yeah? Absolutely, Sensitivity star, Yeah yeah, Paul, why

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Speaker 1: and the Queen of England. They're standing there at the castle.

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Speaker 1: They're both single, you know, they're bully who knows well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's in good shape right now, you know.

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Speaker 1: Sensitivity for the Queen. You know, I gotta worry about

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Speaker 1: the Queen too if I put her in there. Sensitivity

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Speaker 1: level Amber Alert, Davante Adams, I get. But I still

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Speaker 1: would have put him in there, just to say like,

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Speaker 1: it's not where we're gonna go at the start of

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Speaker 1: the season. Oh can you believe that they put them

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Speaker 1: in the picture and they're not even on the Packers anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there gonna be other things to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Then you left Aaron Rodgers out of a picture.

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Speaker 1: I think Packers fans in London will very upset. The

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Speaker 1: you gotta speak some hard truths in the negotiation. They

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Speaker 1: can't do that with Lamar Jackson. They risk alienating him

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Speaker 1: if they tell him why you know, they don't want

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Speaker 1: to pay him fifty million a year. So it's a

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Speaker 1: tough spot for everyone. But I feel bad for Jackson

429
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Speaker 1: because he should have his deal by now, and because

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Speaker 1: he's decided to go without an agent, he doesn't have it.

431
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Speaker 1: I didn't have an agent for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: when you sit down with I sat down with Dick Ebersaul,

433
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Speaker 1: so here's one of the legendary sports figures in this business.

434
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Speaker 1: And he couldn't do it. He said, I, I can't

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Speaker 1: have these conversations. I'd never done this where I have

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Speaker 1: the conversation about a contract with the person not an agent.

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Speaker 1: And he passed it off to, you know, the guy

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Speaker 1: underneath him, who had no problem in telling me some

439
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Speaker 1: of my limitations there. But he couldn't do it. He

440
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Speaker 1: just said, no, it's too awkward. There and I just

441
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Speaker 1: remember walking out of his office and my wife said,

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Speaker 1: how did it go? I said, he couldn't have a

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Speaker 1: conversation with me about it. He had never done something

444
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Speaker 1: like that. The NFL offseason, the overtime rule, the competition committee.

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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like this is there's a logical

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Speaker 1: endgame here and it's just both teams get a chance

447
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Speaker 1: to have the ball. And maybe it's just in the postseason,

448
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Speaker 1: like I don't know how you modify this, you know,

449
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: how do you tweak it? But it feels like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you score a touchdown, we still get a chance, and

451
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Speaker 1: then everybody's going to be happy. Here? Is it as

452
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Speaker 1: simple as that? Mike really is Dan And in the

453
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Speaker 1: days up to the Super Bowl when we had the

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Speaker 1: five hour pregame show and I had to go shake

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Speaker 1: the trees to try to have something to actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk about when they put the camera on me and

457
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Speaker 1: said go, one of the things I tried to delve

458
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Speaker 1: into was what's going to happen with postseason overtime? And

459
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: it's as of three weeks ago, it's more of a

460
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Speaker 1: matter of which way is the wind blowing, But it

461
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: was blowing in this direction. Guaranteed possession for each team,

462
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Speaker 1: no gimmicks, nothing different than just playing football. But it

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Speaker 1: would be in the postseason only. Now the Cults have

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Speaker 1: proposed a change that would apply postseason and regular season.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to touch regular season. They

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Speaker 1: don't want to extend the games in the regular season.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'd be fine with them going back to

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Speaker 1: straight sudden death in the regular season, just to get

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Speaker 1: the game over with and let the teams get ready

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Speaker 1: for the next week. And I won't be surprised if

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Speaker 1: that happens at some point. But for the postseason, you

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Speaker 1: got to guarantee a possession to each team. You can't

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Speaker 1: have these results, not with the rules so skewed toward offense.

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Speaker 1: The just play defense argument doesn't work in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: It may have worked in nineteen eighty two, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: work now because the rules are too conducive, and when

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Speaker 1: you get to the postseason, you've got the best quarterbacks.

478
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: They're more likely to drive down the length of the

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Speaker 1: field and score a touchdown and walk off the winner.

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Speaker 1: I think that it's going to end up being a

481
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Speaker 1: guaranteed possession and a great strategic decision to be made

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Speaker 1: by the team that matches. You're down seven, you score,

483
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Speaker 1: do you go for two and the win or the loss?

484
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Speaker 1: Or do you go for one and then kick off

485
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Speaker 1: knowing it's now sudden death. He's Mike Florio, Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Talk Live co host. In his new book is called

487
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Speaker 1: Playmakers Guaranteed to Upset Everybody in the NFL, comes out

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Speaker 1: March fifteenth, can be purchased online wherever books are sold.

489
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Speaker 1: You had the Sean Payton Tom Brady's story on Pro

490
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Speaker 1: Football Talk, and the Dolphins were interested in coupling these

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Speaker 1: two guys. When did this story emerge? Like how close

492
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Speaker 1: was this to fruition? Well, I first heard about it

493
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: even before Sean Payton resigned from the Saints, and it's

494
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: something that's been lingering and building, and we got to

495
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Speaker 1: a point last week where we thought there was enough

496
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: there to report responsibly, not to be confused with my

497
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: usual irresponsible reports that the Dolphins were indeed planning to

498
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Speaker 1: make a run at a package deal of Peyton and Brady,

499
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Speaker 1: and the Flores lawsuit killed it. Now. I don't know

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Speaker 1: who decided to pull the plug. It's very easy to

501
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: say the Dolphins realized we can't do this now, we

502
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: can't do this. This you know, wink nods, set everything

503
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: up ahead of time, Get Sean Payton, get Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: We can't do that. Given the content and the allegations

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Speaker 1: and the gravity that Brian Flores lawsuit, it's also possible

506
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Speaker 1: the league said you can't do that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've kind of heard rumors along those lines, but can't

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Speaker 1: substantiate that the league intervened and said to the Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: you can't do it. And Dan. One thing that fascinates me,

510
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to find out the answer to this question.

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Speaker 1: How much of the Brian Flores lawsuit, for example, the

512
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Speaker 1: allegation in there that he was pressured by Stephen Ross,

513
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: the owner of the team, to meet with a prominent

514
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: quarterback in violation of the rules, and everybody knows it

515
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Speaker 1: was Tom Brady back in twenty twenty, how much of

516
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit was aimed at putting the Kai bosh on

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Speaker 1: the Peyton Brady coupling in Miami. If Flores knew it

518
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Speaker 1: was coming, if he'd caught wind of it, did his

519
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: lawsuit in part? Was it written in part, drafted in part,

520
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: timed in part to keep the Dolphins from doing it.

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Speaker 1: That's something I'm trying to find out. But that's fascinating

522
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Speaker 1: if Flores just decided, you know what, screw these guys.

523
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: They violated my rights. They fired me when I should

524
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Speaker 1: have continued to be there. They tried to get me

525
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Speaker 1: to do things that they shouldn't have expected me to do,

526
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Speaker 1: and they got mad at me because of it. They

527
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Speaker 1: got this grand plan for twenty twenty two. This lawsuits

528
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Speaker 1: going to keep that plan from coming to fruition. It'd

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Speaker 1: be fascinating if that was part of why Flores said

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Speaker 1: what he said and did what he did when he

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Speaker 1: did it, You're going Oliver Stone there on me. Listen,

532
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: there's all, Hey, we know this league well enough to

533
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Speaker 1: know there's always something going on behind the curtain. That's

534
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Speaker 1: why I love it. But you've been on this story

535
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Speaker 1: before anybody, and that is Tom Brady to the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, and that was It feels like it's been

537
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Speaker 1: at least a year, maybe a couple of years where

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00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: you've toyed with it or thrown it out there or

539
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:28,479
Speaker 1: rumor innuendo. Can you still see Tom Brady playing again?

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Speaker 1: And if so, is it for the forty nine ers? Oh? Absolutely?

541
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Speaker 1: And I gotta get Sim's credit. He's the one that

542
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: first brought that to fruition a couple of years ago,

543
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: that Brady wanted to play for the forty nine ers

544
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Speaker 1: when he was a free agent after leaving a Patriots

545
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Speaker 1: or while he was in the process of doing so,

546
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Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers said no, thank you, Okay,

547
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Speaker 1: good luck, good luck with Jimmy Garoppolo. And I think

548
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers would would admit that they probably

549
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: have a Super Bowl trophy or two if they had

550
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Speaker 1: gone with Tom Brady instead of Jimmy g But I

551
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Speaker 1: think that Tom Brady, especially after this Sean Payton Miami

552
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Dolphins Tom Brady thing, I don't think he's retired Dan.

553
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Speaker 1: I think he's retired from the Buccaneers. That's what I

554
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Speaker 1: think the retirement was. I think he's trying to find

555
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Speaker 1: a graceful exit from Tampa Bay. He got a Super

556
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Speaker 1: Bowl win last year, they took a step back, and

557
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: now I think he is eyeing a place where he

558
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Speaker 1: walks through the door with the deck stacked in his favor.

559
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Speaker 1: And what place other than San Francisco give Trey Lance

560
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Speaker 1: another season to sit. You walk into a team that's

561
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Speaker 1: super Bowl ready, that is dangerous defensively, that has great weapons. Offensively,

562
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Speaker 1: you got a quarterback who can make big throws in

563
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Speaker 1: big spots. The forty nine has become a shortlist Super

564
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Speaker 1: Bowl favorite if Tom Brady ends up there. The question

565
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Speaker 1: is how much of a fight will the Buccaneers put

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Speaker 1: up if he decides in junior July that he wants

567
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Speaker 1: to leave. And I would say they owe it to

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Speaker 1: him to give him what he wants. He brought a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl trophy to a team that had no business

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Speaker 1: being in the super Bowl, and he filled the stadium

571
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Speaker 1: last year. I think they should work with him and

572
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Speaker 1: give him what he wants if that's what he wants

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Speaker 1: to do. But I think he's coming back. I just

574
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Speaker 1: think he's trying to find a way out of Tampa.

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Speaker 1: Are you willing to bet on that? How much like

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Speaker 1: a pie to the face? Oh, a pie of the face?

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00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: I mean pie of the face is nothing. It depends

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Speaker 1: I mean unless it's like, you know, an acid pie. No, no, no,

579
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Speaker 1: pie of your choice. Anybody want to take Florial up

580
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Speaker 1: on a pie to the face. Polly Pollio'll say that

581
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Speaker 1: Brady does not come back. Just the Niners we're talking right,

582
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Speaker 1: just the Niners. I'll do it. Okay, so wait Week one, Niners.

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Speaker 1: If he's on the Niners, who takes a pie of

584
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Speaker 1: the face, Polly does? Polly does. And if he's not

585
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Speaker 1: on the Niners and I take the pie of it? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: you come on the show, and maybe your wife can

587
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: administer or Chris Sims can administer a pie to the face. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it may have to be a virtual parte of the face,

589
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you my wife would very much enjoy

590
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Speaker 1: the assignment. Yes, he's slamming a pine to my face. Yes.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Week one is a very important part

592
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Speaker 1: of this bet Why because couldn't you see town Brady

593
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Speaker 1: maybe like somewhere later in the season joining you know,

594
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Speaker 1: nothing Brady does is you know, by accident. Like everything

595
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Speaker 1: is structured, everything is planned out. I don't think he's

596
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Speaker 1: gonna go you know, maybe I'll join them week six.

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Speaker 1: I think if he's planning, then he's planning now and

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Speaker 1: he would be there. He would want to be there.

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Speaker 1: Week one. Last thing you want to do is all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Trey Lanz plays well and then you

601
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Speaker 1: get Brady and you're like, why do we get Brady?

602
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Speaker 1: Trey Lanz is here, pie to the face. I like that.

603
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Speaker 1: Oh I gotta ask you, because everybody has breathlessly been

604
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Speaker 1: talking about this that Aaron Rodgers wasn't in the London

605
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Speaker 1: promo for the Packers in the abbey Road picture. There.

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on this, Mike? I think if

607
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Speaker 1: you take the original twelve inch vinyl Abbey Road and

608
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Speaker 1: put it on track three of side one and run

609
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Speaker 1: it backwards, it says Aaron Rodgers is staying in Green Bay.

610
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Speaker 1: They had no idea how prescient they were. Oh my god,

611
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Speaker 1: we got to be finding out here soon to feel

612
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: like today with McAfee, he announces he can stay. I

613
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Speaker 1: think it's Look when the news comes out that they're

614
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Speaker 1: working on a contract, Why are you working on a

615
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: contract if you're not staying? And it's smart for him

616
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Speaker 1: to work out the contract before he gives him an answer,

617
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Speaker 1: because he's got leverage. If he says I'm coming back now,

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00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: let's work out a contract, they there's no leverage left

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Speaker 1: to be had, and it's like, you know they this

620
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Speaker 1: report that he's once fifty million dollars a year to me,

621
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Speaker 1: is not surprising. Like you've talked about if I'm the Packers.

622
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Speaker 1: I just say, I'm going to call your bluff. Here's

623
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Speaker 1: two years, one hundred million dollars guarantee. That's it ballgame.

624
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: And there's no owner in Green Bay that's siphoning off

625
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: millions to you know, go buy a super yacht. They

626
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: can invest every penny they make back in the team,

627
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: and they've raised like seventy million through their non stock

628
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,239
Speaker 1: stock sale. They can do this easily. I think he's

629
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Speaker 1: gonna stay Dan. Where else is he gonna go and

630
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Speaker 1: have a team around him like what he has in

631
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Speaker 1: Green Bay. He's not gonna walk in somewhere else and

632
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Speaker 1: be a Super Bowl winner. His best chance is to

633
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: stay in a division where the Bears have a new

634
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: GM and coach, the Vikings have a new GM and coach.

635
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Speaker 1: The Lions are in year two of their latest reboot.

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Speaker 1: The schedule is favorable this year. They could be the

637
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Speaker 1: number one seed again. The question is can they finish

638
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Speaker 1: the job and get to the Super Bowl. Great to

639
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Speaker 1: talk to you as always, and good luck with the book.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dat. That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk and the

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643
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Speaker 1: I had Paulie look at it. That was kind of awkward.

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Speaker 1: It's like Florio, you sent me a book. He did

645
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Speaker 1: or ever you get your podcast. Bill ORMs had an

660
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Speaker 1: interesting last couple of days. He covers the Lakers for

661
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Speaker 1: The Athletic and Bill kind enough to join us. How

662
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Speaker 1: would you describe the last couple of days there Bill Oh,

663
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Speaker 1: very low key, Dan, just very very low key. It

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Speaker 1: does turn out that when Lebron James says something about

665
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Speaker 1: you or tweets about you, other people want to say

666
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: things about you and tweet about you. So I've had

667
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Speaker 1: a lot of I've had a lot of that over

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Speaker 1: the last few days. But otherwise pretty good. Eighty degrees

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles yesterday. Okay, but tell the audience what

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Speaker 1: you reported and why Lebron James reacted to that or

671
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Speaker 1: how he did well. So, I mean, obviously, after his

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Speaker 1: comments at All Star Weekend about potentially returning to Cleveland

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: and his various praise for other executives on the heels

674
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Speaker 1: of the Lakers, I'm making a move at the trade deadline,

675
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: there was a lot of um tee leave reading and

676
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of interpretation, and we're talking about Lebron James,

677
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: who's one of the master master tweakers in the history

678
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Speaker 1: of of you know, the organizations he works for and

679
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: m sub tweets and sort of you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: push buttons kind of behind the scenes, and so um,

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00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, I reported, you know, several things kind of

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Speaker 1: reported related to Lebron, including you know that the subtext

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Speaker 1: is that within the Lakers organization and sort of sort

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Speaker 1: of um along with the trend of the rest of

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Speaker 1: the NBA, and Lebron helped us her this in he

686
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: has more power within the Lakers organization than any player

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00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: ever has, and that includes Kobe Bryant and and so

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00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: what I you know, basically wrote was that Lebron was

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: using that platform in that moment to sort of apply

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Speaker 1: pressure to the Lakers to get what he wanted from

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Speaker 1: the Lakers, whatever that might be, whatever his vision, whether

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00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: it's a contract extension, whether it's just to kind of

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00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: hold the Lakers feet to the fire a little bit

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Speaker 1: more and remind them that he could potentially leave if

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Speaker 1: things don't go his way. And then in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of that, of course, Lebron, uh, you know, it's basically

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Speaker 1: wrote that no one should listen to me. I guess

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Speaker 1: but um, but but you know, we talked about it.

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00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: We're good. But how was that? So he pulls you

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Speaker 1: aside and just wants to have a heart to heart,

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Speaker 1: man to man conversation. I just say, I would just

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Speaker 1: say we talked about in the hallway I had it

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00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: had his press conference, and we had a conversation about it,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I had a couple thoughts on it,

705
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: and he had a couple thoughts on it, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, it seems like well ended it a pretty

707
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: good place because it doesn't take you know, that much

708
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Speaker 1: time to connect the dots here of what he's saying,

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00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: how he's saying it. And then all of a sudden, hey, um,

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Speaker 1: you guys didn't do anything at the trade deadline as

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00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: it well, let me ask you that it almost felt

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00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: like the Lakers said, look, Lebron, this is what you wanted.

713
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Speaker 1: You deal with it. You you wanted Anthony Davis, we

714
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: gave up all those young players, we gave up picks

715
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: you wanted Russell Westbrook, we wanted Buddy Healed. You got it. Go,

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Speaker 1: you know, make the best of it. Is that? Yeah,

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00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely you know, a reasonable assessment. And

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Speaker 1: also any change they were going to make, even if

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Speaker 1: it was them, even if it was the John the

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Speaker 1: John Wall trade right, which made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: John Wall is also a client of Clutch Sports, which

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Speaker 1: you know is clutches. Lebron, Lebron is clutch Rich Paul

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Speaker 1: runs clutch Sports. Um that would have needed that would

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Speaker 1: that that's a move that would have disadvantaged the Lakers, right,

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Speaker 1: they would have had to give up that first round

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Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty seven, or even a pick swap

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty seven, which you know is you know,

728
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Speaker 1: we don't know where the Lakers are going to be

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Speaker 1: five years from now. That could end up being a

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Speaker 1: really catastrophic pick swap. And so while you are in

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Speaker 1: win now mode, I think there was also a real

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Speaker 1: healthy dose of reality from the Lakers to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: we can be a win now mode all we want.

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Speaker 1: We can't win now. So there is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of get to the offseason, get to you know, make

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Speaker 1: the best of this season. Maybe something breaks your way

737
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: and you you know, maybe you could win a playoff

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Speaker 1: series if something really breaks your way, but um, get

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Speaker 1: to the postseason and then and then kind of lick

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00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: your wounds and reassemble. Then do you think Lebron ends

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Speaker 1: his career as a Laker? I would say yes, I

742
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: think I think that, you know, I think that there

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Speaker 1: was the you know, some saber rattling over the All

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00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: Star weekend. I don't think Lebron wants to go anywhere.

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00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes sense for him to go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that if he were to leave at

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Speaker 1: age thirty eight thirty nine, he's going to find another

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Speaker 1: organization that is willing to give him the same sort

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Speaker 1: of equity, you know, not not obviously actual ownership, but

750
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Speaker 1: ownership of of you know, action that the Lakers have,

751
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: unless it is a scenario where he is, you know,

752
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: going somewhere where he is literally going to become a

753
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: part of the ownership group upon retiring or something like that.

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Speaker 1: But I do think there is a real strong chance.

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00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: I'd probably put it like sixty forty right, I tip

756
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: to him him finishing his career with the Lakers. Um,

757
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, the brawny element is fascinating, but I still

758
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: I think it makes the most sense for you know,

759
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: this sort of funnel Brownie to the Lakers at some

760
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: point for a year or two. And because again I

761
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: don't know how many teams, like I think you would

762
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: have to be a team without a real direction or

763
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Speaker 1: plan to say, well, our best path forward is to draft,

764
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Speaker 1: you know, draft Bronnie James, you know, assuming he's a

765
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Speaker 1: draftable player, but not knowing really where he's going to

766
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Speaker 1: be at that stage, and how how much of it,

767
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: like a foundational type player he could be, and then

768
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: to get a forty year old Lebron, Like, if that's

769
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: your best path forward, then you really probably are at

770
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: total rock bottom as an NBA franchise. That sounds like

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Speaker 1: something the Knicks would do. Bill, Like I said, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to be a total bottom as an NBA franchise. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if Bronnie can play at that level.

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Speaker 1: I've watched high school games. Hell, I look good in

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Speaker 1: high school, Bill, So I don't know. If I'm a team,

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Speaker 1: do you call lebronze bluff and you draft Brownie a

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00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: lot higher then he would probably normally have gone. I mean,

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00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that people. I mean, we're

779
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: still talking about Lebron two years from now, and we've

780
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: while Lebron is still putting up massive numbers. You know,

781
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: he's averaging you know, you know, he's averaging MVP caliber numbers. Um,

782
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: He's had way more injuries than he's had in his career.

783
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: He's he's starting to look his age a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Even if you watched the other night in the lost

785
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: to New Orleans, he didn't seem to have the same

786
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: burst and he'd mentioned you know, kind of acknowledged that

787
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: he you know, didn't look great even though he had

788
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: thirty two points. I think the knees bothering him. So

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00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: this year he's had the knee he's had he's had

790
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: an abstrain, and he's had an ankle injury. Last year

791
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: he had the bad ankle injury. So these things are

792
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: starting to add up. So who's even gonna know who

793
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: even knows where Lebron's going to be in two years

794
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: and whether a team is going to see that two

795
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: for one deal as the you know, as the as

796
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: the you know as the steal that we might think

797
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: of it. Now, how are the Clippers, by the way,

798
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: they're I mean they're they're fun, right, I mean we're

799
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: We saw them last week against the Lakers and again

800
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: against we'll see them again this week. That's that's a

801
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: really fascinating team because they kind of like before they

802
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: got Kawhi and Paul George, they have such a strong

803
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: identity that sort of transcends their stars, and then you

804
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: can bring those stars in, you know, So if Kawhi

805
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: PG Norman Powell, if there's a scenario those guys got

806
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: back for a play in for the postseason, it would

807
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: be a really like, you know, unbelievable development, and it

808
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: would it would really add some spice to the postseason.

809
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: How would you uh rage Steph Curry's All Star performance?

810
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean just all time. I mean, he's just all time.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't know what against what benchmark to

812
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, judge things happening in an All Star game. Like,

813
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, he could make thirty threes in an All

814
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: Star game, and I don't know that I would be

815
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: like that bowled over. But to see him just go

816
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: out and have that kind of performance, you know, knocked

817
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: down all those threes, the joy that he brings to

818
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: the game, watching everybody else kind of embrace him, you know,

819
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: he is you know, we get very caught up in

820
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: Lebron and you know, Kevin Durant, but Steph Curry has

821
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, really dominated this decade. And to have kind

822
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: of that sort of signature performance on an exhibition stage,

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00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: I think it's just like one of those other feathers

824
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: in the cap of a Hall of Fame career. And

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00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I don't know if you agree,

826
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: but I'll bring it up that you know, Michael had

827
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: such an impact in fact, the NBA is still trying

828
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: to kind of get out from his shadow there. But

829
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Speaker 1: what Steph Curry has done, he's done more for more

830
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: basketball players than I think Michael's style. Michael entertained us,

831
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: but we couldn't do that. We feel like we can

832
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: do what Steph Curry does and I think he'll have

833
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: a greater impact on the game actual playing than Michael will.

834
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Speaker 1: What do you think it's funny. We had a conversation

835
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: in an interview setting with Malik Monk a few weeks ago,

836
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: and it was we were asking Malik Monk, who has

837
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: had a great year for the Lakers, whether he was

838
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: disappointed he wasn't in the slam Dunk contest, and he

839
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: said no, like, I'm I'm more disappointed I wasn't in

840
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: the three point contact. It's like, why why the slam

841
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: dun contest is so much cooler? And he was like,

842
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: our point was because anybody can shoot a three pointer

843
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, not like me, And I think that

844
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: that is I think that is the I think that

845
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: is the kind of the same idea where Steph Curry

846
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: took this thing that felt very relatable and that anybody

847
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: could like go out on the court and do and

848
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: you could sort of feel like Steph if you knock

849
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: one down. And he's made it feel cooler than dunking.

850
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: He's made it feel as unreachable as you know, jumping,

851
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, higher than you could jump, because he does

852
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: it at such an unbelievable and at such an unbelievable level.

853
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: And the video that was going around from pregame the

854
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: other day where he made thirteen straight shots, he did

855
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: his whole shooting routine from every distance, you know, moving

856
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: all the way back off to half court and then

857
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: all the way back into the paint, was you know,

858
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: just I do think we take for granted like that.

859
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: He has actually perfected the most fundamental skill of basketball.

860
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: And maybe John or Rent will bring back the dunk

861
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: because you know, for a smaller guy, he attacks the

862
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: who like Derreck Rose did when he first came into

863
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: the end NBA and everybody wants to shoot threes. Jaws

864
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: bringing it every night, he bringing it to anybody everybody well,

865
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and like people will always love a small guy who

866
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: can dunk, and like I mean to see Jaw at

867
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: his size, you know, fly through the air and like

868
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: you said, at anybody over over great shop blockers, the

869
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: less the best shot black blockers in the league. He is, um,

870
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: you know completely. I mean dunking. I think it's a

871
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: certain point, got kind of pass right. You watch the

872
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: dunk contest, They're kind of out of moves to do that.

873
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: You can only go between your legs so many times,

874
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: behind your back, off the balance, off the backboard, off

875
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: the side of the backboard. And we've seen it all,

876
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: but we haven't really seen a guy. I mean even

877
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: de Rose didn't like really didn't like put it down

878
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: on guys like we've seen jaw do over over these

879
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: couple of years he's been in the league. I mean,

880
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: he is to me one of the three or four

881
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA I would actually I would pay

882
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: my own money to like go sit in like the

883
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: Nosebleys just to watch play basketball. Who were the others?

884
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: Can I have five? Yeah? Lebron's staff. Oh are you

885
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: saying Lebron just because you gotta be nice to him? Now? No,

886
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 1: Lebron James is still come on very much. The worth

887
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: of worth of prices? Okay, all right, you're kissing and

888
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: Joannes yo, both both are in there. Okay, that's six yeah,

889
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: I like I people are talking about Dmarda Rosen. I said,

890
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: when's the last time an MVP candidate didn't have a

891
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: highlight that you remembered? And Dmarda Rosen doesn't have any highlight.

892
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't make the highlights. It's just you look at

893
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: the box score and you go and he scored thirty again,

894
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: um yr Kich. It feels like his passing stands out

895
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: more than anything else. John Moran is going to have

896
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: signature plays here. The Greek Freak has signature play. I

897
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: don't know how much that factors in, you know, with

898
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: MVP voters of the style that you know, being a performer,

899
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: um that goes along with how valuable you are to

900
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: your team. I think it. I think it helps just

901
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: in the sense of having you know, you know something

902
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: in your mind's eye, right, like the kind of that

903
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: signature moment or that defining sort of characteristic or trait.

904
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Demarda Rosen's game has never been flashy or

905
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: that highlight worthy. It's it's always been sort of, you know,

906
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: it's been accumulation, like oh, he locked down nine nine

907
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: mid range jumpers, or he finally shot some threes, you know, whatever,

908
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: he does has never been flashy, and what it's been

909
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: to me has been the accumulation in the consistency with

910
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: that Bowls team, the Bowls obviously being atop the West

911
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: ere excuse me, the East, and having you know, really

912
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. I mean, I don't think anybody

913
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: saw them as as as a contender or having a

914
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: good offseason, but it felt like, you know, you overpay

915
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: for DeMar. You know who knows about Lonzo and Caruso

916
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: and those everything they did has has hit. And so

917
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: DeMars in the conversation, not only because he's individually played

918
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: like MVDA, but because he's elevated his team. But you're

919
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: right in the sense that not I don't think highlights

920
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: win MVPs, but I do think having sort of memorable,

921
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: memorable moments and memorable games to sort of to sort

922
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: of stick in voters minds does matter. But I almost

923
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: feel like DeMar's numbers and the fact that he kind

924
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: of did has come out of nowhere this season. I mean,

925
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: always a very good player every year, borderline All Star,

926
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: but then now be putting up the numbers that he's

927
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: putting up. To me, that is almost a highlight. The

928
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: highlight is the fact you can't you can't disregard him,

929
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: you don't forget him, because it's been so unexpected for

930
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: him this year. Yeah, it's almost like an overnight sensation

931
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: that took ten years in the making with GAMARDA Rosen.

932
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: Play nice this week, Bill, Okay, I'll try all right,

933
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Thank you Bill Orm, the Lakers

934
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: writer for the Athletic. You imagine you write this and

935
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you had some people who

936
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: were upset with Bill Orm, and then Lebron says, hey,

937
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: come here. Lebron wants to talk to And you know,

938
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: while he said, hey, I wasn't the source of this story,

939
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: and you know that somebody was, and sources run the

940
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: game and all of those things. But you know, this

941
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: is what you do when you get stared down by somebody,

942
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: and it's happened to me before, when you report something.

943
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor, I thought was gonna punch me when I

944
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: was covering him when he had to have a press

945
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: conference talking about being suspended cocaine news. Alex Rodriguez, I

946
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: thought he was going to punch me in the Rangers

947
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: locker room. But you know, if I was always told

948
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: show up. Always show up. If you say something, you

949
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: report something, show up in front of that person. Then

950
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: if they want to say something to you, they can.

951
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: And it's difficult because here you are, you're being critical

952
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: of Lebron James, and you know he's got a big

953
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: social media platform there. But if you're doing your job,

954
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 1: you're doing your job and you can't play nice with everybody. Yeah, Paully,

955
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: can imagine you're a bill or I'm the reporter and

956
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: you're in the hallway and you're talking to Lebrian. You're like, oh,

957
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: this is this is the conversation's happening right now, and

958
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: all the other reporters are watching you because they're reporting

959
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: on what's going on with those two. That's gotta be

960
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: a weird situation. There were no baseball reporters in the

961
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: Rangers locker room that day when I went in, and

962
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: I didn't go in to confront Alex Rodriguez. I went

963
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: in to talk to Alex Rodriguez. I think a Rod

964
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: was going to confront me, but I just went in

965
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: to kind of clear the air and it wasn't going

966
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: to happen. He was mad at me with you know,

967
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: the interview that I did with him where he talked

968
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: about Derek Jeter. And the thing I never understood about

969
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: that is I told a Rod that, you know, we

970
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: were taping the interview, he didn't say something was off

971
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: the record, and he was really upset with me because

972
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: this blew up because he was critical of Derek Jeter.

973
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: And then he does an interview with Esquire Magazine I

974
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: think or GQ and say it says the same exact

975
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: things to the writers Scott rab And I went, how

976
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: can you be mad at me when you said the

977
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: same thing on record to Scott Rabbin. He reported, you know,

978
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: he wrote this article in GQ or Esquire. I went,

979
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: that didn't make any sense. But a Rod and I

980
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: have had a frosty relationship ever since then, but I

981
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: still felt I needed to hear his side of the

982
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 1: story of why he was so upset with me. Yeah,

983
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Paul five minute pole question, who appears on this show

984
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: before it's over, Commissioner Goodell, Alex Rodriguez. And I'm not

985
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: sure which way I'd bet. I'm gonna say neither. You

986
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: have to pick up. Oh, I gotta pick one. You

987
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: got to like if there was odds, let me let

988
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: me take a break here, we'll take a break. And uh,

989
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 1: I have to give that some some deep deep thought

990
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: here consideration, because the commissioner has been on the show,

991
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: but when somebody is guest toasting that, and I think

992
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: Alex Rodriguez has been on the show when somebody else's guest.

993
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: But I thought he was on the show with you

994
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: not too many years ago, where something about it you're

995
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: not welcome in the house, but you're on the porch

996
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: where it looks like I said, how long would it

997
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: take for me to get inside your house to know

998
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: you played baseball? And goes, oh, you're not going to

999
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: get in my house. That was That was at least

1000
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, by the way. Yeah that Yeah, I

1001
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: don't think I'm even getting into his neighborhood now. Yeah. See.

1002
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: Don't you get the sense though, that either one of

1003
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: those dudes could call into the show tomorrow and be like, no,

1004
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Oh, I'm sure no, the commissioner,

1005
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure the commissioner probably is, you know, oblivious to

1006
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: this