1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome to 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 11 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: with Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. 13 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Remember each week this is the place you go to 14 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: when you want to learn about what's going on out 15 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: there in the paranormal world, or u apology or cryptozoology, 16 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: or any other mysterious topic where we are experiencing these 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: things on the real level. We're living and breathing witnesses 18 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: to some extraordinary events, and it's time that we start 19 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: talking about it. Go to my website shadow folks dot 20 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: com or Heidi Hollis dot com and submit your stories 21 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: about what you're experiencing, what you've researched. If you'd like 22 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: to comment, or if you're just curious and want to 23 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: learn more as much details you'd like to put in 24 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: your email, feel free to do that. And remember, if 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: you want to be a guest on this show and 26 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: share your experiences, you are more than welcome. We are 27 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: all learning and growing in this world, and this is 28 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: how we lift each other up, right, That's what we do, 29 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: and that's where we're going. Today's show is going to 30 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: be super special because I've mentioned on a few episodes 31 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: here about a topic I'm just stunned to even know exists, 32 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: the theosophy to anthroposophy studies. I had no idea that's 33 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: such a thing existed. And a lot of you are going, well, Heidi, 34 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: come on now. I mean, I've had my head down. 35 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: I've been working on so many different things, and uh, 36 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, I had some understandings of a lot of 37 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: similar things that are connected to this anthroposophy in particular, 38 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: that has just floored me in recent months. I don't 39 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: even know how to express that. Like I've seen an experience. 40 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: It's a lot of strange things in this life, and 41 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: not many things leave me speechless. And I could tell 42 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: you I was pretty speechless and just in a weird 43 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: state when I realized this kind of stuff and knowledge 44 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: was out there, and it was it was more it's 45 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: just the wording. It was a relief. It was a 46 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: relief that it existed because I have been trying to 47 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: launch and put out new information on things that a 48 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: lot of people just couldn't relate to. I mean, shadow 49 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: people hat man like what is that? And It's like, no, 50 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: this is a real thing, really honestly, and going around 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: and talking to people and put it out there, write 52 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: some books, get on some shows, I mean everything I 53 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: could possibly do, and it's like, well, what drove you 54 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: to keep going? It's like because I knew the reality 55 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: and because of what I remember from outside of this place, 56 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: outside of this life. You know, a lot of people 57 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: say they remember choosing their parents or something. I don't 58 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: remember that, but I haven't under standing memory, if you will. 59 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: That is a bit different than a lot of people. 60 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and it's like people like, well 61 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: just say it. I know how strange some of this 62 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: stuff can sound. And it's like, you know, I like 63 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm able to relate to people more 64 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: than not. And sometimes people look for those things that 65 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: they may consider to be a flag. No, that's too far. 66 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: It turned and back around and it's okay. But you know, 67 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: I relate to U having the the faith perspective that 68 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people do, the faith based and that's uh. 69 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: I think that's more important looking at what we have 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: in common more than differences. And you know, a lot 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: of people have experienced a lot of strange things, but 72 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: they just don't talk about it. They just don't and 73 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: then it sits there and festers, and they do deathbed 74 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: confessions about UFOs crashing, say, for instance, or having out 75 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: of body experience inces and seeing ghosts or demons. I 76 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: was raising a haunted house. My dad did not ever 77 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: admit to have dealt with anything. Nothing. He made it 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: seem like we're all just nuts. But we knew we weren't. 79 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we had our ourselves to support myself, 80 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: my siblings, my stepbrother, my stepmother. We experienced things, but 81 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: my dad, he wasn't budging. Turns out he had some 82 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: of the worst experiences, but it just didn't want to 83 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: scare us because if he was scared, then we wouldn't 84 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: be able to tolerate it. And he was absolutely terrified. 85 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: So you see how these things happen. You know, I say, 86 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: I was an only child and I didn't have anybody 87 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: to bounce these ideas off from that I was experiencing, 88 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: and I would be alone. I would like been depressed, 89 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: oppressed and maybe got puzz as for all I know. 90 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, because these things break you down, and when 91 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: they break you down, they gain access. Not cool. So 92 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: my dad did we felt he should do. And you know, 93 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: people in abert things differently for themselves and that's okay. 94 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it happens, um, But yeah, so you know, 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: I am hoping by sharing some things on this program 96 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: that it helps open up some ears, some eyes, souls, minds, 97 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: all that good stuff to try to grow, just just 98 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: in case, just in case, you just so happened to 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: come across anything I'm talking about here and would be like, 100 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I remember that lady talking about that on that show, 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: and I know what to do in this instance. So 102 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: that's all just planning the seed and don't worry, it's 103 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: positive seeds and yeah, it's all good. Um, I think 104 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: they're positive trying to um. So yeah, and UM, I 105 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: think it's important. So this show today is really really 106 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: special because dancing on the topic of anthroposophy. I had 107 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: mentioned in a prior show that my friend had introduced 108 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: me to the topic and was just videos, you know, 109 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, anthroposophy. I can't even say the word, 110 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: and like the you know, theosophy? What is all this stuff? 111 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: You know? And um, And then got shown by Maureen 112 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Sieberg this, um, this image is sculpture and it's like, 113 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: what do you think of this? And it's like, oh, oh, 114 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: look at that. That's uh, that's hat Man. It's like, 115 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: what did you say? Like, that's hat Man, That's a 116 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: sculpture of hat Man? Who did hat Man? That's pretty 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: cool rendition of him. And to find out it was 118 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: a hundred year old sculpture from Rudolf Steiner and he 119 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: called it Ariman. Yeah, so essentially the devil and that's 120 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: what hat Man is. The devil limiting human potential, creativity, 121 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: all these different things to try to hold down a 122 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: person's soul essentially. And so I reached out to the 123 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Anthroposophy Society of Folks UM to try to learn some 124 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: of this stuff, like what what is this about? And 125 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: I've had a few conversations and uh, and I was 126 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: really fortunate to meet a very nice gentleman that I'm 127 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: going to have on the show here today that took 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: the time to explain a little bit about it. And uh, 129 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: because again I'm I was floored. I don't even want 130 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: to tell you how long I was floored for, but 131 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: it was a while that, uh, there was a relation 132 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: out there to something so similar, so close, and it said, 133 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing to be this individual going, uh, 134 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: that's hat Man. You know, that's hat Man right there, Raman, 135 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, that's hat Man. And 136 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: then to learn these things that tie and bind to 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: being the actual phenomenon's going on today, and then get 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: some clarification with Andrew Lynnell, who's coming on the program here. 139 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, just wow, I'm just yeah, I was 140 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: told from the powers that be. I guess you could 141 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: say that there were others who had an understanding about 142 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: what it was I was working on, but I didn't 143 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: know it was somebody from a hundred years ago. I 144 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Um, so I really shook up my 145 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: world that way too. But you know, more than anything. 146 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: As soon as I learned about the connection with hat 147 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Man and this Araman is um, I jumped up and 148 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: down for joy. I'm not kidding, and I said, I 149 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: found you. I found you. I found you, I found you, 150 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: I found you. I know who you are. And to 151 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: think that there's something written yea even better. This is 152 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: awesome to the degree. So um yeah, So I'm I'm 153 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: still I'm still just letting it sink in and uh. 154 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: And it's so weird. It's like I'm so much a 155 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: part of what's happening today and people ask me, you know, 156 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: what's the history of this or history of that, and 157 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, history is backstory, that's interesting, but 158 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: what's going on today is so important. It takes too 159 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: much energy to dig up bones, you know. Um, But 160 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: I get it. I get it, and there's people who 161 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: really dig into that. And I have such a drive 162 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: that's going forward because I'm worried for what hat Man 163 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: or Ariman is up to today shadow people and the 164 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: whole agenda and why it's increasing and why it's a 165 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: widespread and why people are still every day going, oh 166 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: my goodness. I thought I was the only one dealing 167 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: with these things, why this is going on right now. 168 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: So I am so overly anxious to keep going forward 169 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: and not wasting time. As neat as it is, I'm 170 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: learning some things for sure. It's thrilling. And so we're 171 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: going to touch a little bit on the historical elements 172 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: of Ariman Rudolf Steiner anthroposophy and what is going on 173 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: with these different angles, and and something called the A 174 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: sphere as well, and I did do a program talking 175 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: about the A sphere and and how I'm pretty certain 176 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: that is the understanding I have is that it's right 177 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: here kind of looping into our world today. That's why 178 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: ghosts aren't always seen touching the floor, because they're kind 179 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: of all already stuck in this A sphere. Trapping of 180 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: souls and and trapping of souls is what hat Man 181 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: does and shadow people work for so um it's just 182 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: so wild to have all these things pulled together. But again, 183 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,479 Speaker 1: it's like the historical elements, I get it, it's important. 184 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a person that specializes in such 185 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: a thing, but it's always neat to learn, and this 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: is a place to learn. And you're going to really 187 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: really enjoy the conversation we're going to have here next 188 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: because Andrew Lynnell has a very unique organization because there's 189 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: something going on. Okay, so imagine this when humans are 190 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: not creative and not building and looking and innovating and 191 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: doing things, and we put all of our energy into 192 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: like all watching the same TV show or something like 193 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, Brazilian gazillion people. You're not getting really 194 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: creative during those moments. Are you looking at somebody else's creation. 195 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: You're not doing a whole heck of a lot. And 196 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: that is a problem. So our energy is getting absorbed 197 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: into this one thing. And this is why hat Man 198 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: goes after the creatives, the artists. And something that Andrew 199 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: told me after this interview was that it makes sense 200 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: because artists, they actually interpret the spiritual realm. They create 201 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: art here for us all to enjoy. And I always thought, 202 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, us artists, we just pay attention more. We 203 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: do interpret the creation that's around us, and we create 204 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: as well. So very very very very fascinating. So you 205 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: guys stick around. 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You are listening to 252 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 253 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 254 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: Just before the break, I mentioned we have a great guest. 255 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: I have Andrew Lennell, who is a co founder of Mystic, 256 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: a nonprofit anthroposophical organization devoted to the cultivation of a 257 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: relationship of mankind two machine which is supportive of our 258 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: evolutionary goals. Andrew's career in the computer field led to 259 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: becoming chief technology officer for a company in Austin, Texas. 260 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: He is president of the Boston branch of the Anthroposophical Society, 261 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: author of several books, father of three, and an Avid Gardner. 262 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: So everybody please welcome Andrew Lynne now, and you know, Andrew, 263 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: I have to say it has been an absolute pleasure 264 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: getting to know you. I more recently got introduced to 265 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: the topic of anthroposophy started by Rudolf Steiner, and I 266 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: know my audience is a bit new to the topic, 267 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: so I think it would be kind of net to 268 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: uh kind of. I don't know, how can you how 269 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: can you put that into a nice little box? And 270 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: I know it's a big one, but how do you 271 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: how do you tell people what anthroposophy is about? Oh? Boy, 272 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I guess I probably should have prepare it even more. 273 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: But one phrase it often works is spiritual science. What 274 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: anthroposophy wants to try to do is extend the sciences 275 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: beyond what science has self limited itself to, which is 276 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: the world of what is dead. And so when they 277 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: study something, they take it apart, they kill it. What 278 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: the anthroposophy want wishes to do is extend that as 279 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: a science into what we will call the living element. 280 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: Some people call it chi or prana an anthroposophy, it's 281 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: often called the etheric realm. So uh, And you can 282 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: see that as a science, one needs to develop capacities 283 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: to be able to experience this further realm that is 284 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: not one that you can perceive with the physical senses. 285 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: So to develop those organs of perception is something that's 286 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: been around for time memorial. It's a meditative practice as well. 287 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Then to develop those senses of perception. Wow, that's that's it. 288 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: But I like that spiritual science though, that that's something 289 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: that you don't hear every day. That's for certain, that's true. 290 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: And although I think there are a number of spiritual 291 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: groups that have liked that and want to associate themselves 292 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: with that, and that's fine. UM, you know it, I 293 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: would say, yes, the possibly does not say that they 294 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: are the exclusive owner of spiritual truth by any means. 295 00:18:53,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: But there's shall we say, a kind of reticent to 296 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: go to UM, a kind of spirituality that is all 297 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: in the feeling realm and cannot be brought down into 298 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: a science. For example, anything that is done through UH 299 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: drug enhancement, it would not be considered part of a 300 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: spiritual science because it would be very difficult to have 301 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: repeatable experiments and to be able to use scientific methods 302 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: in that kind of research. Interesting, I have heard of 303 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: people using various drugs to have these out of body 304 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: experiences and try to gain knowledge from those other levels 305 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: as well, So I think that's cheating but UM, but 306 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: you're also saying that it's not measurable. But are they 307 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: actually retrieving the right information when they're doing that? You know? 308 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: That's one of the questions. And what Rudolf Steiner would 309 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: have said is that UM this is something that can 310 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: maybe awaken people two things, but then they need to 311 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: leave it behind in order to really develop the the 312 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: spiritual science. Um, what you experience in the spiritual world, Uh, 313 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be all the spiritual beings 314 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: that are there. So some of the beings that are 315 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: there are going to try to deceive you because they 316 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: have their purpose for doing that, and other beings are 317 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: going to try to be helpful to human evolution and 318 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: to assist you in your quest for a spiritual science. 319 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: And so one has to be able to really discern 320 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: when they're there, what's what that makes sense? How can 321 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: you tell us a bit about it? Off Steiner. I mean, 322 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been like having my head in 323 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: the in the sand or something. I'm like, Oh, is 324 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: this person? What has he done? He sounds like he 325 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: was way ahead of his time. Well, it's hard to say, um, 326 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: I had of one's time. In some respects, you could 327 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: say he was kind of late showing up. But there's 328 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: uh a lot of what he brought there at the 329 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: turn of the century. So let me back up. He 330 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: was born in eighteen sixty one and died in nineteen 331 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: and in his death has been by many accounts attributed 332 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: to an attempt to poison him. And there were a 333 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: number of occasions where uh, he was given poison, and 334 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: there were a number of occasions where people did try 335 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: to um take his life. So uh, and I don't 336 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: know if you know this, but um In at some 337 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: point in his career he had enough support to build 338 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: a building which was to be a kind of temple 339 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: in which people who came in and experienced the forms 340 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: in the in these spaces within it and the art 341 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: would have an opening of their spiritual organs of perception, 342 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe not two to full consciousness, but enough so so 343 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: that they would want to pursue that. And this building 344 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: soon after it was finished and arsonists slipped in burn 345 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: it down. And it's uh, there's a number of people 346 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: that have written about it. There's one of the spear 347 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: of destiny. So I say these things because it's almost 348 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: impossible to prove it. There was no investigation, and Strainer 349 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: himself wanted people to essentially not forget it, but to 350 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: move on, to focus on rebuilding. And I think he 351 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: knew he was going to die soon because of all 352 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: of this attempt to bring an end to his life. 353 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 1: And all of the attempts at poisoning him. So that 354 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: building was rebuilt and unfortunately not out of wood. And 355 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: as something Steiner said, with the money from the insurance 356 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: companies that they were, um, you know, wishing they didn't 357 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: have to give it away. So but he was, he was, 358 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: so he wasn't. Uh. He designed this building. He taught 359 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: different things, like tell us that I know that he's 360 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: got like a whole like resume of different hats than 361 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: he wore. Can you tell us some of them? Yes, heide, definitely, 362 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: he was the architect. He founded a whole new school 363 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: of architecture. UH. In the arts, a new form of 364 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: human movement called you rhythmic, which tries to make speech 365 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: and music visible. And this also works into the sciences 366 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: of trying to make certain qualities in matter in in 367 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 1: uh the subject of investigation to be able to determine qualities, 368 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: so you would have to find ways to make those visible. 369 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of new scientific techniques that others 370 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: have tried to copy or come through their own methods 371 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: to trying to also make visible things that are otherwise invisible. Um, 372 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, just what makes a food equality And this 373 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: gets into one of the other areas that he founded 374 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: called biodynamics. There's a wonderful book by a professor at 375 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: Harvard Divinity School called eco Alchemy, which is about the 376 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: biodynamic movement. And many people don't know this, but Silent Spring, 377 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: written by Rachel Carson, was based on a biodynamic farm 378 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: on Long Island run by the sister of Benjamin Spock, 379 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: who was the famous baby doctor, Marjorie Spock, and she 380 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: sued her town to tell them to not spray D 381 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: D T on her property that she was trying to 382 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: build a farm out of wholeness and wanted the insects there. 383 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: So uh, Rachel, in covering the trial, came up with 384 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the idea for Silent Spring, and so that started the 385 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: whole ecological movement and environmental movements fascinating, so many different 386 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: arms to hit his work. It just blows my mind. 387 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: Like these uh Waldorf schools, am I saying that, right? 388 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: Those are very popular all over the world. Correct, Yes, 389 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: they are there. They are indeed all over the world, 390 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: and they they've had a lot of very interesting graduates. 391 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I have, um my own my own kids went to 392 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: a Waldor school, and that's in a way what brought 393 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: me to Anthon possibly was Waldor schools. I had been 394 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: introduced to it before, but it was really through experiencing 395 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: wald Work education, wishing I had had at my education, 396 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: but just seeing what it did for my three kids. 397 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:27,719 Speaker 1: I was so impressed. I then went and studied a 398 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: lot more and a lot more seriously fascinating. Well, we've 399 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: got to get to our first break. Um, so wow, 400 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: there's so much more to learn. You guys are listening 401 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light on the I Heart Radio and 402 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast and the Normal podcast where it stay 403 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: right there. There's more. Heidi coming right up. 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You are 438 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 439 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m 440 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: pro normal podcast network, And I have Andrew Linnell. He 441 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: is from miss Tech and uh we're talking a bit 442 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: about something called anthroposophy that was essentially came out of 443 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: theosophy by Rudolf Steiner. And Wow, what an amazing man. 444 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: And I've literally more recently started to learn about his 445 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: work and uh, there's something I wanted to get into 446 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: with you, uh, Andrew, because this really just kind of 447 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: jarred my world. So I have certain understandings coming from 448 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: a whole different perspective. I have memories of other things 449 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: that outside of this life, if that makes sense. But 450 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: I've talked to you before, so you know what I'm 451 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: speaking of. Um, and uh, you know. So I have 452 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: a good friend Maureen Seabrook. She uh, I was trying 453 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: to get me to listen to this anthroposophy line of 454 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: knowledge and uh on some videos and I'm like, I 455 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: can't even say that word right, And I don't you know, 456 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: it's just hurting my head, and so I tried to 457 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: listen and then she's like, hey, what do you think 458 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: of this this image the sculpture here, and and I'm like, well, 459 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: who did a sculpture of hat Man? And she's like 460 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: what did she say? I'm like, well, that's hat Man, 461 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: that's what he looks like. And she's like, this is 462 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: a hundred years old and Rudolf Steiner did it, Ariman, 463 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: and everything just shook for me, like what you know, 464 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: Like I was literally instructed from this other time as 465 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: other life about warning people about this thing to come 466 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: um and the shadow people hat Man and the downfall 467 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: that it was going to do to mankind. And I 468 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: knew there were others here, but I surely didn't know 469 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: word look because you know, here I am sitting as 470 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: having introduced two whole paranormal phenomena and nobody ever heard of. 471 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: And so it's been just one level after another trying 472 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: to peel the layers and try to explain these things 473 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: to people. So it's been a lonely battle. And then 474 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: I get this and I'm like, and I get introduced 475 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: to you through the ant anthroposophy society. I reached out 476 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: and you are kind enough to take the time to go, oh, okay, 477 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: So I'm curious what your thoughts are on Batman being Ariman, 478 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: because everything is so parallel from what I'm seeing. Yeah, 479 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: you even have a very interesting name for the radio 480 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: show of Dark Becomes Light, right, So, and and what's 481 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: interesting is you can almost say that's in this sculpture 482 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: by Rudel Steiner and um Edith Marian was an assistant 483 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: for that. Um And what Steiner was trying to show 484 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: is that in our Western culture we have called a 485 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: being by the name of Lucifer. You all know this name. 486 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: That name means the bear of light. We've made this 487 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: into the being of darkness. So we've gone from the 488 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,959 Speaker 1: light into the dark and our thinking and made one being. 489 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: Steiner said, no, no, no, it's not one thing. Lucifer 490 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: still exists. He's still the light there, and he leads 491 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: us astray when we try to leave the earth before 492 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: our time and try to enter the spiritual world as 493 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: angelic beings without finishing our work as human beings. And so, 494 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: as you know, Lucifer, well, sorry, as you know, most 495 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: people are somewhat familiar with the Biblical passages in Genesis 496 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: that talk about how humanity once existed in a different 497 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: state called Eden. This was before we had physical bodies. 498 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: And at that time Lucifer was successful and bringing his 499 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: influence into human evolution. That caused humanity to have to 500 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: change its course of evolution, the so called fall. And 501 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: in order for this fall to have some place to 502 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: fall to, Araman or hat Man was brought into human 503 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: evolution as the balance to what Lucifer had already brought 504 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: into our human evolution as it had been intended. And 505 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: so there are periods, and you've probably heard of kine 506 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: enable they represent this transition period from Eden to Earth. 507 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: And during this period of time Ariman is able and 508 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: this was allowed Um to have his own beings become 509 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: part of the making of this human physical body. So 510 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: the human physical body is something that we exist within 511 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: through incarnation after incarnation only for a temporary period of thousands, 512 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of years UM. But still it's temporary, 513 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: and this will eventually come to an end. Uh. And 514 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,720 Speaker 1: during this whole period of time, an aromanic being joins 515 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: us in the body but or birth and leaves us 516 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: just before death. We carry that being within us, but 517 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: you have to see that Um. You, each each individual 518 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: is the one sitting on the throne. You're the king 519 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: or queen of your being, and Lucifer and are amand 520 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: are like the two advisors whispering in our ears all 521 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: the time. But when we're in our daytime consciousness, we're 522 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: the ones that sit on the throne and make the decision. 523 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: But people abdicate this all the time. And this is 524 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: we were talking about taking drugs and so on. It 525 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: becomes very easy with alcohol and drugs to abdicate that 526 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: role and allow the drugs or the alcohol to take 527 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: over that role. And when you do, then Lucifer and 528 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: armand either one of them can then start being there. Now, 529 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: Lucifer had an incarnation about five thousand years ago in 530 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: this being, what we will call the balancer or the 531 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: Christ consciousness that can be in us, had his incarnation 532 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: at where Christianity places it, um And and I would 533 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: just add Christ entered the body of Jesus at the baptism, 534 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: So Christ was here for just three years. And our 535 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: amand has an incarnation coming up any day now, so 536 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: to speak. And in this movement you can see Lucifer's 537 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: incarnation was in China, Christ in the Middle East, so 538 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: our Amand's will be in the West. And what our Amandum, 539 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: what he brings is this quality of the physical world 540 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: that is lifeless, and he tries to bring everything down 541 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: to the lifeless tremendous intelligence. And so you can see 542 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 1: Araman at work and all the mechanical all the computers, 543 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: all the Internet and that sort of stuff as a 544 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: preparation for his coming incarnation. And what you mentioned this 545 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: tech that organization is trying to do is to overcome 546 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: the fear, because when you learn this kind of stuff, 547 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: it can become very fearful, and people want to withdraw 548 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: and become neo amish, which isn't what Straina wanted. Strainer 549 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: would call that spiritual cowardice. But so it does raise questions, 550 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: how do we protect ourselves? How do you know five 551 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: g and and other sorts of things. Are they affecting 552 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: us in? The answer is yes, they do affect us. 553 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: But can you be healthy in this? Can you rise 554 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: up in a certain sense to a higher awakening because 555 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: of all that's going on? So ill And I asked, 556 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: can I ask you that? Um? Okay, So some of 557 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that you're mentioning I mean, I'm still learning, 558 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, this perspective of the anthroposophy and uh Rudolf 559 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: Steiner and what he taught. Um. But it's it's interesting. 560 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like whoa stuff I've never heard of? 561 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:23,360 Speaker 1: But um, I'm I'm curious about this element of the technology. 562 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: One thing that I know about the Hatman phenomenon is 563 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,240 Speaker 1: that he tries to get people, especially who are gifted, 564 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: who has certain insight, uh, those who are creative, and 565 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,879 Speaker 1: he really hones in on those people and really goes 566 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: after them. And people are like, I must have done 567 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: something horrible in a past life, or maybe I'm doing 568 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: something horrible now that Why is he so attracted to me? 569 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: Why is he wreaking havoc on my life? And I'm like, well, 570 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, what do you do? You know? Are you 571 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: able to see certain things outside of what others could see? 572 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: You know? So it seems like he's limited ing the 573 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: human potential is what I feel and what I was 574 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: told this is what hat Man will do. And he's 575 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: trapping souls, He's trapping them. And then I learned of 576 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: this thing called the Eighth Sphere and I almost fell 577 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: off my chair. I'm like, this is so him. This 578 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: is so exactly what I was told to know and 579 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: teach and tell people about. So tell us a little 580 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: bit about the eighth sphere, like, what is that about? So? Um? 581 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: There are seven spears of existence in which humanity will 582 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: participate and an eighth sphere that will take us out 583 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 1: of that seven sphere evolutionary path. Um. This sounds complicated, 584 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 1: and it sounds kind of weird, but I will point 585 00:40:53,640 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: your listeners to a branch of astrophysics called metalists tea 586 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: that says the solar system, in order to have the 587 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: heavy metals, must have had three prior incarnations, if you 588 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: call a solar system having an incarnation, and so this 589 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: would be the fourth. That agrees totally. And the Steiner 590 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: was way before this metalist city came into being, saying 591 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: that there this is the fourth. There are names to them, 592 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: and they follow the names of the days of the week. 593 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: So Saturn, Sun, Moon, and Earth is encompassing Mars in mercury, 594 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: and then we go to Jupiter Venus, and then the 595 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: octave for Saturn has a name called Vulcan, which is 596 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: the Latin name of Feiastus is the Greek name which 597 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: is interestingly the god of technology. It's also one of 598 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: the sons of zeus Um, and so we're in a 599 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: sense inherit the spiritual world from Zoos. When the time 600 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: comes around, we will hold it right there. 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That's Coast to Coast a 641 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: M dot com. Coast to Coast a l dot com. 642 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 643 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 644 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: to Coast am Ternimo podcast network. And I have Andrew 645 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,760 Speaker 1: Lynn now and he was just chatting with us about 646 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: the Eighth Sphere and giving some details on what that 647 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: all means. And uh, I'll let you continue to take 648 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: it from there. And okay, Well, so this hat man 649 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: or Armand wants to thwart That's why he's brought in 650 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: in a sense to be the obstacle for humanity to 651 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: become angelic like beings. And so in bringing that opposition 652 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: or this hindrance, his goal, you could say, is to 653 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: make us like machines, to be intelligent automatons. And oh, 654 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: by the way, Lucifer would like for us to be 655 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: moral automatons. And the balance in between that is to 656 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: be free, moral and wisdom filled beings. Now that aid 657 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 1: sphere would come about in the future, and in some 658 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: respects it's already beginning through our adherence to materialism. Materialism 659 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: materialism played a part in the development of our freedom. 660 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: We needed to become separated from the spiritual world or 661 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: we could not have developed freedom. So that occurred back 662 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: in the thirteenth century um and but carryovers from that 663 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: continued right up until about the middle of the nineteenth century. 664 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: And so finally we've attained this freedom. And so now 665 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: is the time when armand can start using our freedom 666 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:52,399 Speaker 1: and have us choose a path which says mockingly, oh, 667 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,160 Speaker 1: that spiritual world, what a bunch of malarkey. That is, 668 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: the only reality is physical reality. And so as people 669 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: then say, I'm not going to do anything towards my development. 670 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm just going to be fat, dumb and happy here 671 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: in the physical world, they are making a choice. Sorry, 672 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: maybe I use some long good effecurean approach to things, 673 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: but so they would. They are choosing to follow the 674 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,719 Speaker 1: path that is one whispered in their ear by the 675 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,839 Speaker 1: aromanic being that exists within them. And so that will 676 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,439 Speaker 1: lead them to going out of human evolution by their 677 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: own free will. It's their own free choice to do so. 678 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: And so you know what's interesting to me too. You 679 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: know so many people I've met even that are addicted 680 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: to video games as virtual reality, and it's I keep 681 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: telling people, I'm like, imagine it was a team of 682 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: people who created that, and you all are just fixated 683 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: on their creation instead of living your own creation, you know, 684 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: And it's it's a shame. It's like a waste of soul, 685 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: energy and mind and body. People just waste away into this. 686 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,440 Speaker 1: So I could see that fear. And I've known people 687 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: that have gone through addiction withdrawal from video games and 688 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,160 Speaker 1: their technology. There's a whole field of psychology on this 689 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,240 Speaker 1: now too, and places like in Koreans, in South Korean, 690 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: it's in soul. There's you know, it's it's rampant in 691 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: the world. And I know several um friends of um, 692 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 1: children of my acquaintances who, like you said, have become addicted. 693 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: They cannot live their lives and they can't. They can't, 694 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: so in my stick, so tell us a bit of 695 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: about that. So you said that, and this is your 696 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 1: your your organization, and so you're trying to find a 697 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: healthy balance. So people are not doing these things. So 698 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,879 Speaker 1: tell us the website and tell us about what you're doing. 699 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: The website you mentioned miss text, so it's M Y 700 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: A S T E c h dot org and that 701 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:28,440 Speaker 1: stands for the Mysteries of Technology. The goal is to 702 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:35,479 Speaker 1: bring about an ability for a machine to operate when 703 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:41,040 Speaker 1: it's operator, as a human being, has a moral impulse, 704 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: and so it will operate in a what's called a 705 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: mechanical occultism. Um, you won't the person won't actually have 706 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: to go to the machine to turn it on. It 707 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: is their impulse that comes. Sorry. The anthroposophy has a 708 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,080 Speaker 1: fourfold model of the human being. Something called the I 709 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: am as our center, something that is like a sheath 710 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: around that called our astral body, where all our emotions 711 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: are housed. And then our life body, where the physical 712 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: body blueprint is, and then the physical body where we 713 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: take on mineral substance and become visible in the physical 714 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,520 Speaker 1: All four of these have roles in our development. In 715 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: this tech is trying to find a way that this 716 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: moral impulse comes through the astral and then resonates in 717 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: the etheric, such that a machine will resonate inside with 718 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: that resident frequency such that it knows this is a 719 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:56,120 Speaker 1: moral impulse in what to do. So that's a major 720 00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: undertaking as we try to get there. We are trying 721 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:05,560 Speaker 1: to bring about an education in humanity about spiritual science, 722 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 1: about man machine inter you know, interactions and relationships. So 723 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: we do that through study groups and an annual conference. 724 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: This year, our annual conferences the twelfth and the fifteenth 725 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: of August, and the mystech dot org website has plenty 726 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: of information for people. We try to make it as 727 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: inexpensive as possible so anybody can come to that. So 728 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: this will be our worth year doing it. It's organization 729 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: really interesting, it's fascinating. I mean, I'm it's so it's 730 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: got so many different layers, like it's just things that 731 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of us that, you know, 732 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: I've been looking into these more interesting topics for a 733 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 1: long time and I don't know how I skipped this. 734 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: I just it's it's something that's been there. It's so 735 00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: widespread and there's so many different, uh individual study groups 736 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: and UM It's it's just mind blowing. Now what you 737 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: said something about Ariman about to um reincarnate soon. Was 738 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,320 Speaker 1: there there was something that Rudolf Steiner had said a 739 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,040 Speaker 1: hundred years from his time is when he would surface. 740 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: I just can't think it's a coincidence that hat Man 741 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 1: connecting the two. I'm like, my, I mean, I think 742 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: I twice fell off a chair when I heard that. 743 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,359 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, you have got to be kidding me, 744 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just knocked me over with a feather. 745 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: This is a lot to take in, Um, I mean, 746 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: what do you think people should be doing right now? 747 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,479 Speaker 1: Knowing that? Uh? Well, and it's also important to note 748 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,840 Speaker 1: that I'm Christian and you're this is also kind of 749 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 1: a Christian um perspective to that the anthroposophy has so um, 750 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think people should be doing 751 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: if we're to be facing good versus evil pretty much 752 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 1: any day now, or good versus two evils and that 753 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,440 Speaker 1: but the two evils can be balanced out. Uh. There's 754 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,239 Speaker 1: so much that could be said. And I'm so thankful 755 00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,960 Speaker 1: to you that you didn't go crazy over what you 756 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: had found in yourself about hat Man, because many people 757 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: do begin to lose themselves and go crazy when they 758 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: are having spiritual experiences because the world tells them they're crazy. 759 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: They're having these spiritual experiences. And you know, I was 760 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,879 Speaker 1: in the computer field forty two years. I'm retired now 761 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: from it, and I couldn't speak about these things there 762 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,240 Speaker 1: because they would you know, would have ruined my career. 763 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: They would have thought always crazy. I had to wait 764 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: till I've retired to start bringing this stuff out. But 765 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: that these times are changing. And as you said, it 766 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,240 Speaker 1: won't be a reincarnation. It will be his first and only, 767 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 1: just as Christ had one and only and Lucifer have 768 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: one and only. Humans have lots of them. But uh, 769 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: and and that will be in America, he said early 770 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: in the third millennium, but didn't tie it down much 771 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: more than that. Um, I have through a number of 772 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: things put uh an approximate date around thirty three. I 773 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: think there's going to be a lot more preparation. So 774 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: what you're seeing now is the preparation for this incarnation. 775 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,920 Speaker 1: And you know, things like neural link um other sorts 776 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,719 Speaker 1: of brain computer interfaces. I think those will be in 777 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: existence by the time he incarnates, as well as UH, 778 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: prosthetic limbs, where people will say, you know, that's a 779 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,479 Speaker 1: lot better than have me to go and work out 780 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,480 Speaker 1: ninety minutes every day in the gym. I'm just gonna 781 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: jump off my arms and get those process. That's really scary, Andrew, 782 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: that's really scary. I'm just I don't know. I mean, 783 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a it's a fascinating, uh future that we're about 784 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,839 Speaker 1: to step into, and a scary one. But there's always hope. 785 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: I always say, you know, good wins in the end. 786 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,960 Speaker 1: So wow. They also the challenges, so yes, and you 787 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,239 Speaker 1: mentioned being Christian. I can't say that we're Christian in 788 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: the way that a Christian church could accept us because 789 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,480 Speaker 1: reincarnation isn't accepted in Christianity. But it's so interesting, isn't 790 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: it id today that so many people who believe in 791 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: Christianity also believe in reincarnation and in this case, you 792 00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: know this would fit right. Oh my goodness. Well, Andrew Lynnelle, 793 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: I have to thank you so much for coming on 794 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: the program. This was really deep. I might have to 795 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: have you come back on just to like explain it again. 796 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,880 Speaker 1: But thank you so much, Andrew lynnell And uh, everybody 797 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,719 Speaker 1: go to miss tech dot org and that's M Y 798 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: S T. E. C. H. Wow. You guys remember to 799 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: go to shadow folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com. 800 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 1: Send over your comments, your experiences, anything and everything out 801 00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,359 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, and I will definitely address it here 802 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: on the show. Don't forget make it as long as 803 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: you want. This has been a really fascinating conversation. I 804 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: am always open to learning about new things, and I 805 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,319 Speaker 1: hope you are too. We don't have to make it 806 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,640 Speaker 1: a certain religious belief or anything like that, but just 807 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 1: be open and prepared just in case you come across 808 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,000 Speaker 1: something like these things. All right, you've been listening to 809 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 810 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network, 811 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: and we will catch you next time. Stay safe for everybody. Goodbye. 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