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Speaker 1: The Seahawks extended JSN exercises fifty option. On Friday, JSN

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Speaker 1: We knew this was coming. We knew he was going

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Speaker 2: I don't like this.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this jobbing around and we got other

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Speaker 1: I mean some people like, well, hey, make him prove

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Speaker 2: You believe in me or you don't.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, let me walk, and if you do,

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Speaker 1: The question is, excuse me, what do you believe JSN

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and most of the time when it comes to

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Speaker 4: it again. Sometimes they will. They force there better than themselves.

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Speaker 4: We don't think he can do it again, and we

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Speaker 5: Hell, they did it. What they did it with Chase.

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Speaker 4: They force him the better on himself when they didn't

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Speaker 1: Well, you gotta pay him an extra thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 2: But was he the difference? Ojo? It's not like we

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Speaker 1: Dion had baseball to fall back on base or bow

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Speaker 1: Hey check this out, O Joe, I got this uber deal.

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Speaker 1: Don't nobody really know. But they ain't even made this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: I mean, those those are special, yes, sa Kwon.

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Speaker 1: So boy, congratulations young man on a great start to

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Speaker 1: I be I believe he's earned a reporter as js

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Speaker 1: What's next for you? JSN response? The only thing better

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Speaker 4: Boons can you imagine can you imagine him going back

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Speaker 5: Listen to defense is still intact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, is one of the one or two players on

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Speaker 5: I think they have a.

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Speaker 1: It's just so hard. That's why, I mean, you don't

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Speaker 1: And I told Bubby when he got I said, look

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Speaker 1: You got a nice log, Bubby Brooketer. Yeah, he oh, Bubby, Bubby.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's done. Super Bowl sixty We got that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Now let's try to.

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Speaker 1: Work towards sixty one. Everything that I do in the

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Speaker 1: Now I might not get seventeen at seventeen eighteen hundred

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Speaker 4: Every time, especially with the game the way the game

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Speaker 4: where it's almost un it's almost unfair to compare, you know,

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine catching a hundred balls?

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine catching one hundred and twenty one hundred

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Speaker 5: Forty four like that?

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Speaker 1: how many targets you're approaching? Two hundred targets?

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Speaker 2: Damn you approached.

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Speaker 2: So don't be there's nothing to be envious.

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Speaker 1: About because you made more money if you was in

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Speaker 1: Got five, They got five of them in their homegirls

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Speaker 3: Right, right right?

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Speaker 1: If I Chad, help me understand chat. I don't know

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Speaker 5: Hey, hey, how much is the g wagon? I'm not

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Speaker 5: My seatbelt?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my bad? Hold on lord that birthday?

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Speaker 5: Hey, well you know, let's see if that went on.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even how they got to do with your

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Speaker 5: I was going two an hours for fifty minutes.

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Speaker 1: A G wagon starts, a G Wagon five hundred starts

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Speaker 4: good credit, wouldn't her ain't it be much less because

439
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Speaker 4: the credit is good?

440
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: Okay, even if your credit good, Oh Joe, you still

441
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: so that means you have a lower interest.

442
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,959
Speaker 2: Rate, right, uh you?

443
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: She probably not gonna put anything down, so you steal

444
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty thousand.

445
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: So what she get it for? Three years?

446
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,400
Speaker 1: She get she get it for you know, thirty six months,

447
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: she got it for forty eight months, she got.

448
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: It sixty months.

449
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: Now Here they tell you they'll let you go to

450
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: seventy two months, three thoud. I mean it's gotta be

451
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: with no money down on one hundred and eighty one

452
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thouved dollars, Call yo, got you got?

453
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: Ain't nowhere in the hell you playing less than three thousand.

454
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying your monthly payments might be four and.

455
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Speaker 4: You bringing in seventy seventy seventy five hundred, she bring

456
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Speaker 4: it savey five hundred a.

457
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Speaker 1: Month, seventy five hundred a month unless she's sleeping in

458
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Speaker 1: that mofo. And I don't know, Chad, I ain't got

459
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: no g I ain't got no g waggon. So I

460
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: don't know if you know they got they got refrigerators

461
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 1: and hot place in there that you cook off of.

462
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 2: But it doesn't make it doesn't make a whole lot

463
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 2: of sense to me.

464
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 3: Now.

465
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 5: It doesn't. And you know, when you when you're thinking about.

466
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 4: It, especially on the teacher salary, you're not sure what

467
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,719
Speaker 4: type of other income she has coming in, and especially

468
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 4: in today's and today's world of content creators, social media influences,

469
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 4: they have so many different ways.

470
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 5: To make money.

471
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 4: Yes, so it's kind of hard to say, Okay, maybe

472
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Speaker 4: some you know, the the upper echelon of those that

473
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 4: are content creators or influences, maybe they do make the

474
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Speaker 4: money to be able to sustain that type of lifestyle.

475
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Speaker 5: But I mean what you're.

476
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Speaker 1: Talking about content creators, Joe, It's kind of like professional athletes.

477
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: Everybody ain't making sixty million dollars a year in basketball.

478
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: Everybody in football ain't making a JSM salary. So even

479
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: the content creators that's making that's making ten, fifteen, twenty,

480
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 1: whatever they'll make of the year, a lot of them

481
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Speaker 1: making five hundred dollars a month.

482
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Speaker 3: Damn.

483
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this notion that.

484
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Speaker 1: Everybody, oh, I'm a content creator, everybody is not a

485
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Speaker 1: con or not. Everybody is not a Jake Paul, everybody

486
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: is not a speed everybody is not one of those

487
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: type of content creators. So just because you throw that out,

488
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean necessarily that money comes along with it.

489
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, because.

490
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: Everybody is an influencer, everybody is a content creator. Now.

491
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know, yep, Okay, So like I said,

492
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Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know. I don't.

493
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I just I don't believe a whole lot.

494
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Speaker 1: All right, there's a very special guest joining us to night.

495
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: He's a seven time NBA All Star, a seven time

496
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Speaker 1: All excuse me, he's a seven time All NBA selection,

497
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 1: a seven time NBA All Star, a two time scoring

498
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: champ straight out of high school. Here you t BAC

499
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Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady T BYC what it do?

500
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Speaker 3: Bro? Listen?

501
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: We're good. We're good.

502
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: Bro.

503
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: How you feeling tonight?

504
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: Man, I'm blessed brother? All good? I was that? Ma?

505
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 5: What's good? By?

506
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: Florida boy? My dog? What's up? Boy? Man? I'm chilling.

507
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: I ain't seeing you.

508
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 5: I ain't see you on the court in a minute. Man,

509
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 5: you still won't smoke.

510
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 3: Again, Oh Joe, Come on, bro, that's how we're starting

511
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: off this tonight. I'm I'm glad you said that, old shoe.

512
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 3: Let me clear some things up for people out there. Right.

513
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 3: We playing in a celebrity game many many moons ago,

514
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: and this is my dude, this is my Florida brother.

515
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: We was out there playing roughing each other up, and

516
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: folks thought we were actually fighting online. I would never

517
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: fight this man, this is my dude. So to clear

518
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: that up, that was not being Oh Joe fighting in

519
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: a celebrity game basketball game. That was something else going on.

520
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: Me and my dude, was just acting like Florida boys

521
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: out on the basketball court. That's what we were doing.

522
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 3: So I wanted to clear that up, man, because I

523
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: ain't never get a chance to talk to you about that.

524
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: And I know it's a lot of stuff floating out

525
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 3: yell about us fighting.

526
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: Nah, but what everyboddy they're talking about.

527
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: He's been telling us he dropped four He dropped like

528
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: fourteen sixteen on you, and you kind of got upset

529
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: with him about that. I said, did you, Drake? I said,

530
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 1: did you drop off fourteen sixteen?

531
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Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, what'd you stat? Nigga drunk that night?

532
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh me? Hell no?

533
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: All right, man, let's get you some basketball. Look what

534
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: what the MVP? I think we got. We got Luca,

535
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: we got Wimby, we got Jokic, you got Sga, you

536
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: got Jayleen, you got Jaylen Brown, and I think you

537
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: got kay Cunningham. I think Kate is gonna miss the

538
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: cut off because he's gonna miss too many games. So

539
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: just for the sake of this argument, lit's sit him

540
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: to the side. But I believe it's out of those

541
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: five Luka, Jokic, Fga, Jalen Brown and Winby. You I

542
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you have a vote, you may or

543
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: may not. But if you had, if you had to

544
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: vote right now, there's still about twelve fourteen games left

545
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: in the season. But if you had to vote right now,

546
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: team Matt where you leaning.

547
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: So obviously, I think all five of these guys can

548
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: win MVP because they're all having phenomenal seasons. But how

549
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: I see the MVP and view the MVP, who's most

550
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: valuable to their team? And out of those five, when

551
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: I look at the rosters, it's Jalen Brown, no question, right,

552
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: it's no question sga is playing with another All Star

553
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: and playing with a cast that he played with last year. Yes, sir,

554
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 3: but but Ja Dove has been out, in and out

555
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: of the lineup and he's just coming back. And then

556
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: when I look at Jokis now Jokis before he got hurt,

557
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: I don't care what anybody was doing. He was my

558
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: clear cut MVP. The numbers he was putting up was

559
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: just astronomical. And then when you look at when you

560
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: look at brou I'm just gonna say this, when you

561
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: look at Winby, If Winby doesn't win it this year,

562
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: good luck to all the other players for the next

563
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: six or seven years because defensively, like his floor is

564
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: better than all of those guys seiling and we've never

565
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: seen anybody on the defensive end have that type of impact.

566
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 3: And I say, the dude is like Deon senders Bro

567
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: on the basketball court, being able to shut an entire

568
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: side down. And then Luca, you know, for me, you

569
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: got to play both sides of the ball. I think

570
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: he's done a lot better this year defensively, but in

571
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: this stretch that we've seen him on he's been phenomenal

572
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: scoring with the best of him. I mean, the dude

573
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: is just a phenomenal offensive player. But again, and he's

574
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: playing with Lebron James and they didn't really the team.

575
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: The team wise, I think there was a little you know,

576
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: up and down really wasn't playing great basketball. Jalen Brown

577
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: and the Boss itself has been playing great basketball from

578
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: the from the jump. And you look at his roster.

579
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: JT has been out right up until a few weeks

580
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: ago him coming back, but you look at their roster,

581
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 3: it's like, no way, you guys should be in the

582
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: second seed in the Eastern Conference. So most valuable player

583
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: at this point to be still is Jalen Brown.

584
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 1: When you when you when you look at this and

585
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: you see what the the the OKC thunder, what they've

586
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: been able to do even when when SGA was out.

587
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: They were still finding ways to win even when And

588
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: that's the mark of a good team. When you could

589
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: be without your best player and you still win. You

590
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: can be without your second best player and guys come

591
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: in and contribute and you can still win. That shows

592
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: you the depth of a given team. So now, if

593
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I said, okay, t mat some money, that means something

594
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: to you. And if it's your money you're putting up,

595
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: it means something to you. Who you think is in

596
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the finals. Because I go back, I go back and

597
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: forth because a part of me wants to say san Antonio,

598
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: a part of me wants.

599
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: To say, uh, the.

600
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 3: OKC.

601
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: And then I look at the East. I still think

602
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: Boston healthy.

603
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody if Boston Detroit, but Cade has

604
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: to play great in order for them to win. J

605
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: T can have an off game and JB carry you.

606
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: JB can have an off game and j T can

607
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: carry them. And then you got that little guy Peyton Pritchett.

608
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: He coming up the bitch before you do a heat up.

609
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: But heat up hit you over your head with twenty

610
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: two point t mat.

611
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: Now you you absolutely right, man. You know some of

612
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: these guys when they miss games, their team don't fall off.

613
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 3: They still win ball games. Uh. You know, Detroit had

614
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: a good one tonight, but they lost again. It's the Hawks,

615
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: but they still playing good basketball without Kate Cunningham. Jalen

616
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: Dern is stepping up with and the absence of him,

617
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: and actually their little point guard Dannis Jenkins is playing

618
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: great basketball for them too. So for Detroit, this is

619
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: I want to see this because I wanted to see

620
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: how they function without the head of the Snake and

621
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Kay Cunningham, and they answered my question. These guys are

622
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: still a legit team without him, and I see how

623
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: they can play when Kay gets in foul trouble or

624
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: he's off the court for whatever reason, they still play

625
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: good basketball. And with Jaylen Brown then, man, I just

626
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: don't see nobody in the Eastern Conference as balance and

627
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: solid all around like them New York Knicks. They have everything,

628
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: but you just don't know. It's been some inconsistent basketball

629
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: with them. So I'm going to Boston and it pains

630
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: me to say this because I love the Denver Nuggets.

631
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Joki is my favorite player them being healthy, man.

632
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Because Peyton Washington is coming back at some point in time.

633
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: Because you look at the way they were playing with

634
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Peyton Watson and you got Jamal play off because you know,

635
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: Jamal Murray here and yogis in the picking roll is

636
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: the most stoppable, stoppable tandem.

637
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say this. Before I had Denver, when

638
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: they were fully healthy, I just thought Dember was that scene.

639
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: But because it's been you know, Aaron Gordy been out

640
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: of the line up, Rich, I mean, uh, Peyton Washington

641
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: been out of the lineup, Christian Brown's been out of

642
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: the line like these so many of these guys, Cam Johnson,

643
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: their their core guys have missed so much time. I

644
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: gotta go. I gotta go to Boston and OKC in

645
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: the finals.

646
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: Doug Wow, No, san Antonio. You don't think san Antonio

647
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: is quite old enough yet? Because I love Wenby Stephen

648
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: Castle of Sale. Uh, I mean they got the Harrison

649
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: barn comes off the bitch Shall Caldon Johnson. I love

650
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: Keldon Johnson. He's a bucket. I don't care what it

651
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: don't matter he get in the game. He's gonna get

652
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: twitter t.

653
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: Back that boy be playing man, whether he knocking down

654
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: the three again to the cup. I love their team.

655
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: I just think this is the year where they're gonna

656
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: have that growing pain of failing to reach the finals

657
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 3: and then next the next few years, my god, watch out.

658
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: It be crazy.

659
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: Yeah a mac, I want to switch gears real quick. Obviously,

660
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: you with great knowledge of the game, and everyone has

661
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: their own criteria.

662
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: Hold on, bro, I'm in the car.

663
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: I was.

664
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: I was.

665
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: I was stuck in a rush hour traffic.

666
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: You ain't no goddamn rush our traffic. Bro, How you

667
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: do me? Bro, you're supposed to be my boy. You're

668
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: supposed to be in the studio at the crib. You

669
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: in them?

670
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm no, I swear to god, team, I was

671
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: in the standstill traffic for like forty five minutes.

672
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: All right, following yourself.

673
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: I'm at the house now.

674
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: But real quick, everyone has their own TIERI there's always dialogue,

675
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: there's always endless conversations, barbershop talk, basketball talk.

676
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 5: When it comes to who the best is to ever

677
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 5: played this game.

678
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: So based on your knowledge and having to face these

679
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: individuals and and in your mind, who is the greatest

680
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: basketball player of all time. When it comes to the

681
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: debate about Michael Jordan and Lebron James, who is the

682
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 4: go to the game?

683
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: You only do two of them in there.

684
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: He got I think, I think got covid that in

685
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: that discussion.

686
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: What talk Talk to me nice man, Talk to me

687
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: nice and and let me let me know, let me

688
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: know who you.

689
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 5: Feel the best is ever.

690
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: We talk about were.

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: Talking about the goat now, so there's another goat you

692
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: want to add to the conversation.

693
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: So so for me, it's it's sim J all day.

694
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: I grew up watching Mike and I just haven't seen

695
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: And it's not even about the numbers in the championships.

696
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 3: It's what I'm watching right with my eyes, what I

697
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: see on the basketball court. Yeah, that other stuff else,

698
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: but it's all about the eye test and what this

699
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: man did you know night in and night out, defensively,

700
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: clutch whatever you needed and not. That's not to say

701
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: Lebron can't be the goat, but for me it's my goat.

702
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: It's MJ. And I think how you have to do it.

703
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 3: You gotta go about errors man, because you know it's

704
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: right right. You know what I'm saying like it's it's

705
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: different style of basketball. It's different players like m j

706
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: A and se no Kobe mj and' se no t

707
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: Mac mj ain't see no Vince, you know, you know,

708
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: like I to disrespect those wing players, but let's be honest.

709
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 3: The two thousand wings, Bro, they wasn't the right right,

710
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: they were deeper and the game changed. So and then

711
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: in Lebron's error, he ran that right, putting up crazy

712
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: stats the MVPs. But he has some competition that was

713
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant and then later on his career got an

714
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: ask step Curry in there, right. So it's so it's

715
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: errors for me, man, all these guys and ghosts, because

716
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: they all was freaking great. Bro.

717
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the figure is that.

718
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt when you first saw

719
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, but I always tell the story.

720
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't seem real to man, he leveled.

721
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean when I first laid eyes on this man,

722
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: I was in at the Super Bowl. This man was

723
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: levitating and I'm looking at him and he probably thinking, man,

724
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: starting sharp, little brother, He's something wrong with him cause

725
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: he don't need t Mac.

726
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: And my line, does he seem real?

727
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna tell you this story, and I'm glad

728
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: you said that. And people really don't understand that aura.

729
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: It's a real thing, bro, for real. His aura's like

730
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 3: none others. So I was seventeen years I was seventeen

731
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: years old, and this is when I announced that I

732
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: was gonna go to the NBA. Chicago was playing that

733
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: Lennard Hawks. I go to the game, watch the MJ

734
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: and Pip and the Bulls do that thing that night.

735
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: I go in the back after the game and I'm

736
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: waiting for these guys and waiting by the Chicago Bulls

737
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: locker room because we got some passes and my you know,

738
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: the team that I was with had the connections straight. MJ.

739
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Well Rodman walked out, all right. Oh cool, that's it's

740
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: probably right there. Pip walks out all right, bro, MJ

741
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: walks out of that locker room. My dude, nah nah,

742
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: It's like he was glowing. Bro. He had like this

743
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: are around him. That was This is seventeen year old

744
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: me watching this guy because this is right, NBC, this

745
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 3: is the golden era of basketball. That's how I got

746
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: to watch him right and to see him on on

747
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: TV and what he was doing back in the late

748
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: eighties early nineties for me when I started watching and

749
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 3: to actually see this brother in person, Nah, he didn't

750
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: seem real.

751
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: He still don't.

752
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: He's I get the same I get the same feeling

753
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: when I see that man in person that I got

754
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: the very first time that I saw his ass in person.

755
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Will levitate. I don't care for nobody to say this

756
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: man would levitating. He was not walking. He was levitating.

757
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of lot of famous people

758
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: in the world in my time, but don't nobody has

759
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: the aura like Michael Jordan. Now maybe maybe Michael Jackson,

760
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: but I never saw Michael Jackson in person.

761
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen Prince in person. I've seen a lot

763
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: of lives in person. I've never seen anything like what

764
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: this man.

765
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: The glow and.

766
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: The power, the energy, the force that is around him. Man,

767
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: you people, you go. You got to be in his

768
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: presence to understand what tam at. But if you think

769
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: about it, chat everybody that's ever been around him, he's

770
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: said the same thing, from Shaq to Kevin gardnet to

771
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: everybody said the exact same thing. He doesn't alon ivers

772
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: said the man he don't even seem real.

773
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: Nah, he don't, man, And I was. I was actually

774
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: just with him at the Writer's Cup and it's hard

775
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 3: not to just stare at Mike. Bro, that's Mike. That's

776
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: Mike right there. Food. But nah, he and for me

777
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: when I first saw him, and then my first couple

778
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: of times playing against him, like I still had that feeling.

779
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 3: But it's like I've been around Mike so many times.

780
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: I still you know, I have high regards the auras

781
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: kind of war off a little bit. It's still there

782
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: and that's still Mike. But man, when I was seventeen

783
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: years I ain't never seen anything like it.

784
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 2: Bro, It's amazing.

785
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been around a lot of famous people,

786
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of famous people. It ain't ain't nothing,

787
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: ain't nothing like this. Ain't nothing like this dude right here, man.

788
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Nah nah.

789
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: And when he and when he came back to the Wizards,

790
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: because I was seventeen years I mean eighteen years old.

791
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: You know, I played against him when they won seventy

792
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: two and ten. That was my rookie year and I

793
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: played and I played against him his last year before

794
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: he retired. And you know that at O me was

795
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: was trying to figure out you know who I was

796
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 3: as an NBA player and trying to learn the game,

797
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: so I didn't. I didn't really you know, have that

798
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: that type of game, of that force that I wanted.

799
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: But when I when his ass came back when he

800
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: was with the Wizards.

801
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: Hey, you may be wounded, but I'm gonna give you

802
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: his work.

803
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: I gotta give you this work. I don't like what

804
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: you did to my mind when I was seventeen years old,

805
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: making me seem like you ain't real.

806
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: But that was Kobe mind said.

807
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: You remember, Kobe dropped fifty five over the last time

808
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: he played it, and people like, well, Kobe, why would

809
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: you do that?

810
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: He said, that's what he would want me to do.

811
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: He would have it no other way because I guarantee

812
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: you if the roles were reversed.

813
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he would have did the same thing. Would

814
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: he did the same thing. So that's why before he

815
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: left that before I had to get at least forty

816
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: on it, Bro I had before he stopped playing. I

817
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: had to see that I dropped forty and I don't

818
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: care if the Wizards might because the Wizards MIC was

819
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 3: still averaging twenty four points twenty five points and putting

820
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: up some crazy numbers when he was healthy playing. So

821
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 3: I viewed him as Chicago Bulls Mike, he gotta come

822
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 3: get this work.

823
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: When you look, you know what I wanted to ask

824
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: you to You Mac, have a guy that played the

825
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: game at an elite level. There was a lot of

826
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: conversation going back and forth. When Bam got eighty three,

827
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: Bam got eighty three. Look out he got to eighty three,

828
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: the game was out of reach. T Matt, can you

829
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: just tell the people how hard he was to score

830
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: forty fifty sixty because I think you've got a career

831
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: high like sixty sixty two, So now go to seventy,

832
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: go to eighty. I don't give a damn how he

833
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't care if he chaired pigs, no bird, whatever

834
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: you guys call it. Where a guy just instead at

835
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: the half court and getting layups on the other end,

836
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I'll give it that. What you call it, eighty three

837
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: is eighty three. Talk to the people from somebody that

838
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: played the game at an elite, high high level. Explain

839
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: to the people even though the Washington wheels of trash

840
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: and it says more about them than it does.

841
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Baim explain to people. Eighty three damn.

842
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: Points that the league has been around, you know, seventy

843
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: some years, only nineteen forty seven, how many people have

844
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 3: scored that three three? That's all happen. It's only three

845
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: regardless of how he did it and how you view

846
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: him as he when he did it, it's eighty three

847
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: points and we haven't seen that only one time and

848
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: that was that was b So yeah, do I think

849
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 3: it could have been a little bit more competitive on

850
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: Washington's side, of course, but they're pro that they make

851
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: millions of dollars as well. They got a job to

852
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: do and if you had an opportunity to make history,

853
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: who's not gonna do that? So when so so thirty

854
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: years from now, when you know, kids are coming up,

855
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: these babies right now, and they come up and they

856
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 3: looking at the scoringless like, damn, what man, we scored

857
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: eighty three points. They're not gonna care how he scored it.

858
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: They just know, man, that man is on the whole

859
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: time score. So I don't care how you scored it. Man.

860
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of people out there that's

861
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: that's hating on the man because he overtook and Kobe

862
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 3: never had the record I don't know what they talk

863
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: about it. Kobe had the record, like the record of

864
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: one hundred. The record is one hundred. Now we haven't

865
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: seen it. I haven't seen the video, but the record

866
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: is one hundred.

867
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: But you know what I think, t Matt, I think

868
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: because Kobe got eighty one and then see I think

869
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: it was Bam is because he's the most unlikeliest guy

870
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: to get eighty three. Had Kobe got eighty three, had

871
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: you got eighty it got eighty plus? Had one of

872
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: these guys that we look at it scores, Kevin Durant,

873
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: James Harden, Allen Iverson, If we look if one of

874
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: you guys get it, I don't think anybody's bat in

875
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the eye.

876
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: But you're talking about Bam. That's a career.

877
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: What twenty point a night score and all of a

878
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: sudden he jumped from twenty all the way up to.

879
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: Get eighty three.

880
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: We don't we don't normally see guys go like that.

881
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: Even you look at Donovan Mitchell, Donovan Mitchell and he

882
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: got seventy. You look at look at the got seventy.

883
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: Those guys are scorers, so it's not anything. So if

884
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: they weren't have got because we saw them get Luca

885
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: got seventy three. I think against the against the Hawks,

886
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: I think Donald Mitchell got seventy something. If they get eighty,

887
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: we not even bat in the eye. But Bam got it.

888
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: If we don't look at Bam as one of those

889
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: guys a score.

890
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: He's an NBA player, man, Man got hot, he had

891
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: a phenomenal night. In the story like he scored eighty three. Man,

892
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: let that shit go, bro, Like, right, Man, he's an

893
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: NBA player. Bro, I've seen guys. I've seen guys evergeon,

894
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen points in this league. Get fifty. So

895
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: what do you gotta say about that? Uh?

896
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: Ohcha, I think Oh you're trying to you mute it? Ojo.

897
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: Can you hear me now?

898
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

899
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 5: Hey, Mac, I got I got a question. Listen.

900
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: Normally, normally pushback for for eighty three point game that

901
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: Bam scored. You hear from analysts, You hear from pundits,

902
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: you hear from from from fans that are just just

903
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: just fans of the game in general that that enjoy

904
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: watching basketball. But when you hear pushback from actual players

905
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 4: that played the game, you know, and they complain also

906
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: about Bam scoring eighty three. Why do you think that is,

907
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 4: especially from those who have played the game at the

908
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 4: highest level. Why would they have a problem with it.

909
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: It's because of how it happened, and rightfully so, like

910
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: it was. It was a nasty game. It was a

911
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: nasty game of what they was doing. That's what That's

912
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: what they're speaking on it. There's no disrespect to Bam.

913
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: It's just how it happened, you know what I mean,

914
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: like the Washington Wizards and filing and then Miami's filing

915
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: to get Yeah, it was it was. It was all

916
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: that stuff right there is what they were pissed off about.

917
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you did you see shumps come in?

918
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: I did not.

919
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: If min Shumper said, this is what he said about, Bam.

920
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: Don't bring up eighty no more. Don't bring that up.

921
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: That was a regular season game versus a tanking team.

922
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: You murdered that team and then you walk off. Bam.

923
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: You don't need to talk about it. We all saw it.

924
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: Let us talk about it. I'm in a suit, I

925
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: can talk about it. Don't talk about it no more, Bam,

926
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: because now it looks weird. You about to make it.

927
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: Well. I don't like eighty three. No more.

928
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm dead serious. Please don't be holding on to that

929
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: this bam. I need you to add to your resume.

930
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: If that, I'm talking about it forever. As a matter

931
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: of fact, I'm changing my name mister.

932
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: Eighty three three. Actually that's gonna be my social media,

933
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: my social media name on all social media chapels me

934
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: eighty three straight up? Like, come on, like, how you

935
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 3: not talk about man? Man? These people are here crazy.

936
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: That's eighty three points in an NBA game due against

937
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 3: NBA players. That's making millions of dollars. Come on, can't

938
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: young history?

939
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: It's history?

940
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 5: How can you not?

941
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: How?

942
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 5: How can you not talk about history? You're you're a

943
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 5: part of it.

944
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: Let me get I tell you what, yo.

945
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's just say for the sake of argument, all their

946
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: top corners go out, but you get three hundred yards

947
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: and y'all still throwing the ball. Y'all up twenty one points,

948
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: and y'all throw the ball and you catch a fifteen

949
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: yard route to go over three hundred.

950
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: You gonna talk? Are you gonna say?

951
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: Man?

952
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: I feel bad for him? They top three quarters out.

953
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 5: I did the No, No, you I'm gonna talk. You'd

954
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: be crazy. I might change my last name of three

955
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: hundred two.

956
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: Shut up three hundred, don't you. It's very rare for

957
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: us to see this type of performance, regardless, yeah, right,

958
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: regardless of how it happens. Supposed to be the best

959
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: players in the world, right, supposed to be in the world, right,

960
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. So we're the best players in

961
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: the best league. The man scored eighty three points. There's

962
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: no asteridge it happened.

963
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: I think see people like well, Kobe didn't mention it. Well,

964
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: Covid had a game where he stopped at sixty two

965
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: and left in the third at the end of the

966
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: third and then come back in the game. Kobe has

967
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: had these scoring outbursts, so we're not surprised. I don't

968
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: think anybody was surprised, because just three weeks earlier he

969
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: had a sixty two point game where he outscored in time.

970
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistake, I think it was the Mavericks

971
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: himself in three quarters surprise when Kobe like kept going

972
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: and ended up getting that, or if when Jordan has

973
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: got these sixty points. But but Bam, I don't even

974
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: know if BAM's career high. If Bam career highs even forty.

975
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: Do you remember you remember David Robinson was due the.

976
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: Last game of the season. They got him scoring title to.

977
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: Beat see him every single time, every single trip. We

978
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: don't say nothing about that, right.

979
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I think it was against

980
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: the Clippers.

981
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: It was against the Clippers.

982
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: He has seventy one.

983
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 3: Man, he wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers.

984
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: Why because they were in Washington.

985
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: Well, you be the Washington Generals to play the Harlem

986
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: Gold Trotters. That's what. That's what, That's what the Wizards are.

987
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: Now.

988
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: Hey, t manch Man, you said this week the Board.

989
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: Of Governors and NBA they're convening and they're gonna vote

990
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: possibly expansion one Vegas, one Seattle. You said you was like,

991
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: hold on, guys, I'm not so sure there's enough talent

992
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: on the thirty current NBA teams for you to dilute

993
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: it even more adding two more teams because players can

994
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: only you could only protect a certain number of players,

995
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: and then everybody else is up for a discussion with

996
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: those teams like okay, I want this guy, want that guy.

997
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: What went into your thought process?

998
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: Why did you say you don't think there's enough talent

999
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: that's currently in the NBA for the league to add

1000
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: two more teams.

1001
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: So we just talked. We just talked about Man scoring

1002
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: eighty three points. What did you call that team? He

1003
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: scored eighty three points.

1004
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: The Washington Generals.

1005
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 3: We want to see we want two more teams. And

1006
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: you just said the NBA team you call these boys

1007
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: the Washington Generals. They're not the only team like that.

1008
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: You got Utah thinking, you got the Brooklyn Nex. Yep,

1009
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: you want to watch the Brooklyn x.

1010
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Nah, bro, I don't why why you want.

1011
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: Why you don't want to watch the Brooklyn Nets.

1012
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: And they ain't even trying that at least at least

1013
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: the Wizards are playing their guys t mat the Utah

1014
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: not even they take the guys out. They down by two,

1015
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: and they they started for the whole fourth quarter. Trooper

1016
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: J getting surgery on the on the wisdom too. He

1017
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the year.

1018
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: Man, make you so when you answered that that, you

1019
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: asked me Sacramento, you too, sacrament No, So you talked

1020
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: about adding two more teams.

1021
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 5: And I got a question, But I got a question,

1022
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 5: mac oh.

1023
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: Let me let me follow this up right quick, t Matt.

1024
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: You're talking about two teams, and each team they say

1025
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: that the winning bid is gonna be somewhere between seven

1026
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: and ten billion dollars, and the owners, you know that

1027
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: that's probably five hundred that's probably five hundred maybe six

1028
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in each owner's pockets.

1029
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out

1030
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 3: of nobody pocket. I know it's about bread. I know

1031
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: it's about bread. But I'm just saying, as a fan

1032
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: of the game, okay, And we don't have the product. Man,

1033
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm sorry. We just don't have the product.

1034
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: I'm lucky. The league is weird. It's strange, man, I

1035
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: don't I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a

1036
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: guy that average thirty points last year in the NBA,

1037
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: twenty nine to thirty points on a bad team, but

1038
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: a bucket getter, probably one of the best bucket getters

1039
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: in our league. As a young player. He gets waved

1040
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: from his team. Another bad team picks him up, right

1041
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: Tho Caim Thomas. Another team, bad team picks him up.

1042
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: He stays there for a few weeks and they wave

1043
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 3: him that. Oh Joe, the Brother Act was averaging thirty

1044
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 3: in the NBA last season before he got hurt and

1045
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: he's out of the NBA. So come on, like, I

1046
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: want that type of talent in the NBA. I want somebody.

1047
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 3: I want that in the NBA to where he takes

1048
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: tough shots, he'll tough shot maker. He can't find out

1049
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 3: he can't find a home in the NBA. Now, I

1050
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: don't know the other stuff that's going on, whether it's

1051
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: attitude or he's got you know what I'm saying. I

1052
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: don't know none of that. I don't have any of

1053
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: the information. But in terms of a basketball player and

1054
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: what we need in this league, what we want to see,

1055
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 3: that kid is one of the best scores you will

1056
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: see in this league.

1057
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: A mac what I'm gonna say right, you know, if

1058
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 4: it make money, it makes sense, especially the owner to

1059
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 4: the GMS. The bottom line, it will always be the same,

1060
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: and it's always been the same since the beginning of time.

1061
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: It's always about it's always about the money.

1062
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: So with these two expansion teams, if Seattle is able

1063
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: to get one, if Vegas is able to get one,

1064
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 4: how long do you think it would take before they're

1065
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 4: able to produce the product or get the product necessary

1066
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 4: for those teams to compete. Or is that not possible

1067
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: because there's not enough basketball players in general.

1068
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 3: No, I think it is possible because I mean there're

1069
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 3: you know, I think with some of these kids coming

1070
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: out of college. It depends on like how you construct

1071
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 3: your roster. There's some bets that's probably are you know,

1072
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: up for a contra and possibly we'll look at that

1073
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. Phenomenal city too.

1074
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: By the way, Vegas the NBA players, Yeah, but that's

1075
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: a little trigger. That's Vegas. Hey, Hey, hey, the girls

1076
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: can handle that. The w n b A players hand

1077
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: of that. The NFL players. It's more of a strict league.

1078
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: You know. You guys only got one. Yeah, y'all got

1079
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: and y'all have a NBA players got too much downtime,

1080
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: though Vegas might be in a little tricky.

1081
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: But tell us about the ones league that you found

1082
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: the Temple what what? What is the ones?

1083
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: So that's my one on one league, man, you know,

1084
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: I you know, started the one on one league back

1085
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, and there was my proof of

1086
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: concept season and I started this league because of where

1087
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: I am sitting today. Is because of platform that I

1088
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: got on when I was in high school, and that

1089
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: was the ABCD camp. So if y'all don't know, I

1090
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: was an unknown ice school player up until my senior year,

1091
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to

1092
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 3: the Adidas camp, become you know, the number one player

1093
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: after that Adidas camp, and you know the story is

1094
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: go to the NBA and the rest is history. So

1095
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: it's that platform that really made me who I was

1096
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: and gave me a name. So it's a lot of hoopers, Ocho.

1097
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, you grew up down in the bottom, man,

1098
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: you grew up some guys that that can hoop like

1099
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone

1100
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: in the family died and they had to pivot and

1101
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: step up and you know, be the parent the guardian

1102
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: in that situation, or they just couldn't get it right

1103
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: as a as a teenager and it was then some

1104
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: trouble and you know, ruined their careers or whatever, and

1105
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: then guys just really didn't get the opportunity to live

1106
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there are so

1107
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 3: many guys, so much talent and one on one out here, man,

1108
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: that I feel they should have that platform. Oh you

1109
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 3: played you played one on one growing up? I did. Oh, Joe,

1110
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: you played one one? No play go ahead, back.

1111
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 2: Hey, t back.

1112
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: You know twenty one was one on one, one one

1113
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: against fifteen other guys.

1114
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: I was just about to say that, like I grew

1115
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: up playing one on one and then twenty one was

1116
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: our one on one.

1117
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: So yep, man, I just.

1118
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: Say, these cats out here really need that platform. I

1119
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: want to create it for him. But on top of that,

1120
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, it's much bigger than just giving them a

1121
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 3: platform to make a name for themself in basketball. I

1122
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: also want to do something for brothers that look like

1123
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 3: us in the ownership department. See, it's not too it's

1124
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: in your league. It's not too many guys that look

1125
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: like us that have ownership. I was lucky enough. I

1126
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: was lucky enough to have that opportunity to go in

1127
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 3: with the Buffalo Bills with my cousin Vince, so we

1128
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: you know, we got some ownership with that, and it

1129
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 3: just really, you know, sparked my interest with like, I

1130
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: want to do this for my people, and I want

1131
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 3: to change how I'm building this league. So I'm building

1132
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: it to have cities. I want cities and have guys

1133
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 3: like Jadakis, who's from New York. I can give him

1134
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: fifteen percent of this team that's based out of New York.

1135
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: John wall is from Raleigh. I gave him fifteen percent

1136
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: of that Raleigh team. And I have eight cities and

1137
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: eight owners and gms that I assigned to this team.

1138
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: Gave them equity. I didn't want any money for them.

1139
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 3: I just handed it to them because they are impactful

1140
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: in those cities that they grew up. And then when

1141
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: you look at the game of basketball, our game of

1142
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: basketball NBA, like Steph Curry is not from Oakland or

1143
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 3: San Francisco, Lebron James is not from LA. These guys

1144
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: are home room from these these cities, and I want

1145
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: that community to get behind them and push these guys

1146
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 3: and support these guys. So that's why to do this, man,

1147
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm really excited about giving these

1148
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: guys this platform.

1149
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: Tim Mac, We're gonna get you out of here. I

1150
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 1: don't know, I think that y'all cut me off all early. No,

1151
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: well we hey, we well, we'll keep you. We're gonna

1152
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: keep you going.

1153
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 2: Check this out.

1154
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: Pat Beav says, Dame Dollar is not a Hall of Famer.

1155
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: This is what he said. He said, Hell no, I

1156
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: loved Dame. It's too many people getting in the Hall

1157
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: of Fame. How we gonna say no no to Dad

1158
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: Roads getting MVP and say, Yesterdame dollar if he give

1159
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: a chip for sure? Team Matt Dame a nine time

1160
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: NBA All Star, two thousand All Rookie Team, seventy fifth

1161
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Anniversary Team, seven time All the NBA Selection twenty twelve,

1162
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 1: thirteen Rookie of the Year twenty twenty three, twenty four,

1163
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: He'll be MVP. What were doing in tam Mac don't Jack.

1164
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: You ain't got to run all that stuff. I'm disappointed

1165
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: in my brother Pat. I'm disappointed in my brother Pat.

1166
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: That man is a for sure Hall of Famer. You

1167
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 3: can be did he watches? He watches. If that's not

1168
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame, I don't know what it is. Yeah,

1169
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: Like I think I think we'd be looking at like

1170
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: we'd be trying to put too much into what it

1171
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: is now. Obviously there are different rooms for the Hall

1172
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: of Fame. Yeah, Jordan Kobe Bryant, like lebro and James

1173
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 3: Steph Curry, these boys are in a different room. Yes,

1174
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 3: right in a different room. But I was this credited

1175
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: Dame Dollar because he didn't accomplish this here, bro that

1176
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: man still was is one of the great a top

1177
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 3: seventy five player, that's Hall of Fame worthy. I'm sorry,

1178
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: I haven't Hey, I'm gonna have to holler at my

1179
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: boy pack because he trades house. They sorry, he comes over.

1180
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: We gotta have a conversation.

1181
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: I agree with you.

1182
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: I agree with you to talk mag You know, Pat

1183
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: Bev trying to be trying to be the villain in

1184
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 4: a sense. Obviously, Dame Dollar meets the criteria for what

1185
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame player is. Man, no question, Bev

1186
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 4: Bev tripping man Bev just trying to stir up the conversation.

1187
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 5: He's trying to stare up their stir up the conversation.

1188
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: That's where you are.

1189
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: I think the thing is, you said something very interesting,

1190
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: team mate. And this is what I tell people all

1191
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: the time. I said, I'm in the building of the

1192
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I'm in there. But they got rooms

1193
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: for they got room for h Lawrence Taylor, they got

1194
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: room for certain guys like that. Aaron Donald's gonna be

1195
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: in one of those rooms. You know, Tom Brady's gonna

1196
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: be in one of those rooms.

1197
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: They got rooms.

1198
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: But to say this man and what he's accomplished doesn't

1199
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: belong in the Hall of Fame, I don't know about.

1200
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 3: That, because you you got to understand, man, there there

1201
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 3: are guys that are just put in situations. They're great players.

1202
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm not taking anything, but they're put in situations with

1203
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: the whereas the organization, whether there's a GM where there's

1204
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: a coach that that is all about winning, and they

1205
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: get into you know, that organization, that team, and you

1206
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: know they've become there. They their greatness is highlighted because

1207
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 3: of what's arounded right, Yes, it's highlighted because of what's

1208
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: around them. That and some of these guys, like you know,

1209
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: I would look at give me a player like Kevin

1210
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: Garnett before before he went to Boston, right before he

1211
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 3: went to Boston. To me, Kevin Garnett was a freaking

1212
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Yeah, a Hall of Famer, no doubt.

1213
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: And he didn't have a career where he was like

1214
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 3: going deep into the playoffs and going to the finals.

1215
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: Like he didn't have that. You're trying to tell me

1216
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: KG wasn't a Hall of Famer before he got the

1217
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 3: Boston Man get out of here with that. I guess

1218
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 3: it's different rooms, Te Matt.

1219
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: You know what has happened.

1220
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: Social media has come on and so not everybody has

1221
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: an opinion, and we can see everybody's opinion. And I

1222
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: think the thing is this ring culture, because what they

1223
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: do now if somebody had the fifth gull, the tenth,

1224
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: twelfth guy on the bench can have a ring, and they'll.

1225
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: Say he's better than an all time great.

1226
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 3: That does it.

1227
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, do y'all realize what y'all saying?

1228
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: I said?

1229
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: When we all take shot? Said Charles Barkley, When you

1230
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: take a shot.

1231
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: At Akarl Malone, I understand they don't have rings, but

1232
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: do you understand how great they were just because you

1233
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: don't have a and rings are Sometimes this takes a

1234
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: very special situation. You look at a guy like Steph Curry.

1235
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: He goes to Golden State. He had Peter, Joe Lincoln

1236
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: and Peter Gruber's owners. Bob Myers is the general manager.

1237
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: They got money, more money than than than than God

1238
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: should give twenty people in a lifetime, and they did

1239
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: a great job. They select step they select Clay, they

1240
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: get Dramond, Kevin the Red joins them. Sean, you know

1241
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: they did a great job.

1242
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm in this argument right now. Where was SGA before

1243
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: he got Okaye Slippers Clippers. Yeah, people are talking about

1244
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 3: SGA catching up with Kobe right now because he's He's

1245
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 3: averaged thirty points four straight years. Yep, got an MVP,

1246
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: got a Finals MVP. They are putting him in the

1247
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: conversation with Kobe Bruh. He wasn't even thought of or

1248
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 3: talked about when he was with the Clippers. Had he

1249
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: stayed with the Clippers, are we talking about SGA? No? Right,

1250
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: that's my point, because he.

1251
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Would because it was gonna be because and that's what

1252
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: and this is what I tell people, situations matter. Because

1253
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: he was not gonna have the ball in his hand.

1254
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: That was Kawhi's team, So he wasn't gonna be able

1255
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: to have the freedom like he has an OKC and

1256
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: and the Clippers, And sometimes you have to leave a

1257
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: situation in order to get your own team in order

1258
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: for you to grow. He was not gonna be this,

1259
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: not with Kawhi there, because Kawhi was the guy. He's

1260
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: coming up for Finals MVP. So he's a two time

1261
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: Finals MVP. He's a two time Defensive Player of the Year,

1262
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: and you mean to tell me this first, the second

1263
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: year guard is gonna be the center of attention after

1264
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: you gave moved.

1265
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: Heaven and Earth in order to get it. Wasn't gonna happen,

1266
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: Not at all.

1267
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 5: Hold on, Mack and listen. As great as Sga is, right,

1268
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 5: let's say he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

1269
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 4: As great as he is at OKAC, you mean to

1270
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 4: tell me, even if it was Kawhi's team and Kawhi

1271
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: had the ball the most, he still wouldn't be able

1272
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 4: to do what he's doing now.

1273
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I think I still think he'll

1274
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: be an All Star, but I don't think we will see.

1275
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: He's not putting up thirty like this right, and he

1276
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be an MVP with playing alongside Kawhi. No,

1277
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: not at all, not at all, because if the ball

1278
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 3: would be in Kawai, so he's he's a two times

1279
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: Finals MVP. Ojos Ga was a young point guard at

1280
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: the time, so that ball was gonna be in Kawhi's hands.

1281
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: If it's saying situation t Mac, what about the situation

1282
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: with James Harden James Harden was not going to become

1283
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: James Harden. And okay, see he had to go to

1284
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: Houston in order for him to flourish, because you got

1285
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: Russ and you got Katie. So how was he gonna

1286
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: be able to show you? How was he gonna be

1287
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: able to show you that team Matt.

1288
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 3: He would have been James Harden in Okay, see listen, listen, Oh, listen,

1289
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 3: I want to hear this one. Listen. Did you see

1290
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: how he was coming off the bench putting up numbers? Right? Yeah,

1291
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: it was very young. At some point he was gonna

1292
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 3: be inserted into that offense, or maybe he come off

1293
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: the bench, but he still would have been James Harden.

1294
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: No, ain't no way, ain't no way. I'm gonna have

1295
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: to disagree you. You believe this man was gonna average

1296
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Speaker 1: thirty six?

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01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I'm not

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01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: talking about the numbers. I'm just saying what he became. Yeah,

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 3: he would have put up he went those three, all

1300
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: three of them guys probably would have averaged twenty to

1301
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 3: really make it work, but he wouldn't.

1302
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 2: I mean, we got James because James Harden.

1303
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: We fell in James with love with James Harden because

1304
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: what was he doing all them thirty point games? All

1305
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: those fifty and sixty point games? So I so, what

1306
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with Russ? So if you say, James Harden,

1307
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: who needs the ball? What are we gonna do with Russ?

1308
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: He mat uh at that At that point, James Harden

1309
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 3: wasn't playing the way he's playing when he was with Rockets.

1310
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: It was a different style of basketball he was playing

1311
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 3: with Well, so how can he do that?

1312
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 2: Then?

1313
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 3: What you mean?

1314
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: How how he okay the style of the ball that

1315
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,479
Speaker 1: he ended up playing in Houston? How could he play

1316
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: that style with k D and Russ?

1317
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: In ok?

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01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: See coaching, it's coaching coaching, you you do not. I

1319
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: bet those guys regret, well, they won a championship. Now

1320
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 3: that you know, all those guys are gone. But looking back,

1321
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: I bet they wanted to keep those guys together. You

1322
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: talking James Harden, Russell Westbrook and and KD together, Bro,

1323
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 3: they would have been a dynasty had they stayed together.

1324
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: They went to I didn't know James, but James wasn't

1325
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: even close to what he was in Houston.

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 3: He was gonna get their regard. He was gonna become back.

1327
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 3: I'm confused was gonna become I'm not and I'm not

1328
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: talking to thirty point. I'm just saying he would have

1329
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: been an All Star. I'm which was good.

1330
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I believe that.

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: But but you talked about the guy that average, the

1332
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: guy that's a three or four time scoring champ. We

1333
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: talked about the guy that got a sixty point triple double,

1334
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: a fifty point triple. The number that he's putting up

1335
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: with Russ because Russ, Because now if you give the

1336
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: rough ball to if you give the ball to James,

1337
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: that means you take the ball out of rouss hands.

1338
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 2: Now Russ can Russ can't. I don't believe Russ could play.

1339
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: Off the ball. He needs the ball. Kevin Durant, Kevin

1340
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: Durrant gonna be Kevin Durant. You get Kevin rat fourteen shots,

1341
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: he gonna get you twenty nine points.

1342
01:06:54,680 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: That's but that's that. No hold on, oh o joe. Uh.

1343
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 3: But Kevin Durant is the reason why this can work

1344
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: because he doesn't need the ball. He's a catching shoot

1345
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 3: type guy. Right, He's a one dribble pull up. He

1346
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: doesn't need the ball like that. But these two guys,

1347
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: the way they played, the way Rush pushes the ball,

1348
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: the tempo, and you got James Harden and Katie on it.

1349
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 3: Come on now.

1350
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: But but if you think about it, ask you this.

1351
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: If he believe so much he could win a championship

1352
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: in ok see, why would he leave for better ball movement?

1353
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: I guess he and Rush the relationship between those two.

1354
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 3: But look at this Steph Curry played Thomson, then Kate

1355
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 3: Thomson hit sixty playing along side except her.

1356
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Speaker 2: Yes, but no dribbles, no dribbles. He I think he had.

1357
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: I think he had a level.

1358
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: I think he had somewhere between eleven and thirteen drill okay, Nadra,

1359
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, somewhere between eleven and thirteen dribbles.

1360
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: Which one of those guys are catching shoot other than

1361
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, Which one of those guys can catch shoe?

1362
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: James Harden wasn't catching shoe guy, James Harden catching shoe

1363
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 3: Russ is not a catching James Harden.

1364
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Speaker 1: Come on, I'm see you see you looking you looking

1365
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: at I'm looking at James Harden. What he was in Houston?

1366
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: You looking at James Harden? What he was in ok

1367
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: se as a as a pump. You know, once you

1368
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: get that taste of blood, it's like you T Team Mat,

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: I give you prime example. I look at you your

1370
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: first two years when you got started averaging thirty. Ain't

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: no way you're gonna be able to play moving forward

1372
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: like you did the first.

1373
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 2: Two years, t Mat.

1374
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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, stop looking at the thirty

1375
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,799
Speaker 3: five thirties. What they asked, stopped looking at that. James

1376
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 3: Harden was gonna be the player that we that was that.

1377
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: It was just gonna be on a lord scaling that,

1378
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: but he was gonna be that player that can put

1379
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 3: up those type of numbers. He was gonna develop into that.

1380
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Speaker 3: That's all.

1381
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: But I don't think we look at him like that

1382
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, when he had when

1383
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,520
Speaker 1: he was at his best, we had a serious discussion

1384
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: team at who's that better scorer, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan

1385
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: or James Harden. We're not having this discussion if he's

1386
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: an OK S.

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Speaker 3: I agree to that. I agree to that, but I

1388
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 3: think I now I agree to that. But what I'm

1389
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 3: saying is he's still with those two guys. We're gonna

1390
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 3: be James Harden and all develop into an All Star,

1391
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: and that's sense still put up forty points with him.

1392
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 3: He still can get a forty. He still could get

1393
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 3: a fifty with them. Now he's not gonna average thirty

1394
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 3: five because he's not gonna have those shots. But I'm

1395
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: saying the player that he was gonna develop into with

1396
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: them will be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: Is he an All NBA? Is he an All NBA?

1398
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: And okay see in okay see is he an All

1399
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: NBA player?

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hell yeah, hell hey hell yeah?

1401
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 5: Hell Mac.

1402
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 3: The way that man can score the ball absolutely.

1403
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 5: Hey Mac, Mac?

1404
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 4: How you how you say even with James Harden, even

1405
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 4: though it was a young pupp right and he would

1406
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 4: develop into the same player he is now, maybe not

1407
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 4: scoring thirty five, but he'd been he would have been

1408
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 4: just fine with Russ and KD.

1409
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 5: But you don't feel the same way.

1410
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 4: If SJA stayed to develop with Kawhi and still would

1411
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 4: the baby do the same thing, what would be the difference?

1412
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: The difference is is s g A needs the ball,

1413
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: James Harden don't need the ball. James Harden can catch

1414
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 3: and shoot. Now I'm saying it's opportunities playing with Russ

1415
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 3: to get the ball and be a playmaker and a

1416
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: score with with s s g A needs the ball

1417
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: in his head. You will see SJA sitting out on

1418
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: the permer for a catch and shoot. James Harden can

1419
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: at that point in his career he was a great

1420
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 3: catching you.

1421
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 5: Basically, it's just based off style of play.

1422
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 3: Then, okay, sir, yes, sir.

1423
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: But see I look at James like when he went

1424
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: to when he went to Brooklyn, he took the ball

1425
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: over because I don't believe he could have played any

1426
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: other way than with the ball in his hand. Now,

1427
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: they didn't play long together him, Kyrie and KD didn't

1428
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: play long. I think Kyrie got hurt and then James

1429
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: ended up getting hurt and.

1430
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 2: So it really didn't mesh.

1431
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: But I just feel that in order for us to

1432
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: get to James Harden, the guy that's a top seventy

1433
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: five player, he's not gonna. I don't believe he was

1434
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a top seventy five player in ok see

1435
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: with Russy, KD, I oh, no, three.

1436
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,759
Speaker 3: Guys on one team, they scoring one hundred and fifty

1437
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 3: points downadays, bro.

1438
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: But man, they put up they put up some phrase numbers,

1439
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: Jim hard and you could be right.

1440
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 3: G mat hard for.

1441
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: Me to believe seeing the way Russ and seeing the

1442
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: way James Harden.

1443
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 2: The way we fell in love with James Harden.

1444
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: Was when he got to Houston, because I knew he

1445
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: could score, because I saw him have a couple of

1446
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: thirty four games off the bitch, but he burst out

1447
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: to see first game thirty five, did another thirty five,

1448
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: and then he getting forty and then he getting forty five,

1449
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I thought he could be good, but

1450
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think he could be I didn't think he

1451
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: could be.

1452
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 3: Seeing that naw un. When you have the ball in

1453
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 3: your hands in the NBA and there's unlimited shots that

1454
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: you could get and you have the green light, and

1455
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 3: when you're playing in a D'Antoni system, I wasn't surprised

1456
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 3: by that because I seen what he was what he

1457
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: was doing in Okay, see with those two guys. So

1458
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: when now you get the ball in your hands and

1459
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: you win an offensive system, you're playing with an offensive

1460
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 3: genius mine and d'An TONI you see what he did

1461
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 3: for Jeremy Lynn Lynn sanity, right, Yeah, So I wasn't

1462
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: surprised by that, I'm just saying what I seen in

1463
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 3: James and how there what I projected. I saw that

1464
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: he was gonna be that type of player regardless.

1465
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that because I saw what Jami

1466
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: Lynn did when he got with d'An TONI and Kobe

1467
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: was there and Kobe said, give me that damn ball

1468
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: to get your ass out to wait. So so you see,

1469
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that team back because now we

1470
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: got James Harden who needs the ball. Russ needs the ball.

1471
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 1: Somebody can't have the ball because if look at it,

1472
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: I get look at Luca, look at Luca and Lebron.

1473
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: Now granted Lebron is forty one, it's been very interesting.

1474
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: If Luca is twenty seven and Lebron is twenty eight

1475
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: used to having the ball and Luca not has the ball,

1476
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: it would be very interesting. Leron knows I'm not the

1477
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: same guy right now. I'm forty one years of age.

1478
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 1: I'm fourteen years a senior.

1479
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1480
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Damn second, I'm going to

1481
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: get in the backseat because at first I was driving,

1482
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: then I started riding shotgun. Now I'm all wearing the

1483
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: back seat because Reeves now has the ball more than Lebron.

1484
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: Lebron basically on the wing in the dunkers spot, he's

1485
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: diving to the basket. Shoot Lebron shoot thirteen fourteen times

1486
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: a game. T Mack, I ain't never think I see

1487
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: no bull jobs like that.

1488
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said. Look

1489
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 3: the third option on like when you have three dynamic

1490
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: players like that, and the third option is getting like

1491
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 3: fourteen shots. So you have Rush, you have KD, you

1492
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: have James Harden. Yes, KD is the most efficient player

1493
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: we've seen shooting dumpers ever. Fifteen shots? He give you thirty? Uh?

1494
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 3: Is he not?

1495
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: Yep? I believe it.

1496
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 3: That's fifteen shots, right. You trying to tell me James

1497
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: Harden with seventeen eighteen shots? He can't get that with

1498
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: those three guys. What would James Harden do with having

1499
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: eighteen shots a game? Uh? He gonna put up numbers?

1500
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: Uh he clean if he was Mick KD.

1501
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: If you look at James hardness is like a forty

1502
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: forty six percent from the floor.

1503
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: Is Kevin the.

1504
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: Redd that shoot fifty plus? What's Russ? Russ dop to

1505
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: have that level of efficiency. So you're gonna have to

1506
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: in order to get points, you're gonna have to put

1507
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: up more shots.

1508
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 3: That's why I was telling you. This is where the

1509
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 3: coaching comes in, right, This is where the serious This

1510
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 3: is where the coaching comes in, because you know, you

1511
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 3: know James when you look at him, he's becoming one

1512
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: of the most dynamic scores right on our team in

1513
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 3: the league. At the time. He's young, but he's becoming. Yes, yes,

1514
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 3: that type of score. Russ, we need you. You remember Rustling,

1515
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: the way he played in Washington when he went to Washington.

1516
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 2: You remember how he yeah with John Wall.

1517
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 3: Yes, Russ would have to play like that, And that's coaching.

1518
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 3: We need you and Russ a triple double guy. So

1519
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 3: ten to twelve shots a game, Russ, you're still gonna

1520
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 3: get fifteen points. You have ten rebounds, you have eight

1521
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: to nine probably your average triple double back. He probably

1522
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 3: would have averaged a triple double back then because he's

1523
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 3: playing with two of the most dynamic scores that we

1524
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: will see on the same team. That is coaching. It

1525
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 3: could work.

1526
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: They don't seem to be doing a lot of that

1527
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: now these days. That's what you're talking about. Coaches, they

1528
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: need to let these guys do whatever the hell they want.

1529
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: Or because you talk to me too hard, I wouldn't

1530
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: want to leave. I ain't putting up with your bull

1531
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: dyve A team back. You yelled at me, talk crazy

1532
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: to me in front of my peers. I got to

1533
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: get up out of here.

1534
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, the game is just different. I be talking

1535
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 3: to some of these coaches off man, and and I

1536
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 3: just want to know, like, what's the mindset, what's the

1537
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 3: mental capacity of these players? And I talk to some

1538
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: of these coaches, and they like, Yo, when these kids

1539
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 3: miss up, you know, a first they first couple shots,

1540
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 3: it's like they're done. I say, done for what He's like,

1541
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: They're they're done for the game. He's like, man, yeah, man.

1542
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 3: He was like, some of these guys just get in

1543
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: their own way, getting their own head and I and

1544
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 3: I was like, how do y'all get them out of

1545
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,879
Speaker 3: this rut? And it's like just constantly, constantly just babying

1546
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 3: and just talking of these kids, what you've missed a

1547
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 3: couple of shots and you done for the night. Like

1548
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 3: it's it's a different league. But didn't talk about, you know,

1549
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: the coaching in our era, it was like the Lakers

1550
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 3: didn't look like san Antonio. San Antonio didn't look like Sacramento.

1551
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 3: Portland looked a different way, Boston didn't look like Orlando.

1552
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 3: Like everyone had a different style in which they play,

1553
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 3: And when you watch today's game, it's only about a

1554
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: handful of teams that plays a different style. Like san

1555
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 3: Antonio has a style that I love that that they play.

1556
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 3: Denver has a unique system that they play in and

1557
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,959
Speaker 3: you know, you could say Boston as well, but everybody

1558
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: else is just you like threes, naw, I don't. But

1559
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 3: Boston shoots a lot of threes too, but I don't.

1560
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: I don't like it because everybody is don't have the person,

1561
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? So why not adapt a

1562
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: system that you know ultimately fitch your team, do something

1563
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: that's conducive to the talent that you have on your team.

1564
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 3: And I just don't see a lot of that.

1565
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta we have a guy that comes on

1566
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 1: the third member of the Big Three. Iso. You you

1567
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: got in the story about going one on one on

1568
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 1: one with ISO.

1569
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 3: Now, by the time me and Io became teammates, I

1570
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 3: wasn't no longer tea mac. I was tracing I was tracing.

1571
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: No, I'm ask you this team Mac because we see

1572
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: how athletic you were. You talking about a guy that's

1573
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: six foot six foot eight six nine, could jump out

1574
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 1: of the gym, could either hand. We saw you score

1575
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: all those points in a little bit of time. What

1576
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: was the injury that really slowed t MAC down that

1577
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: you saw back?

1578
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 2: It's like, you don't know what I'm gonna be that

1579
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: guy again.

1580
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was not you know, I didn't tear

1581
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 3: my a c L. I didn't have an achilles and

1582
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 3: nothing like that. Mine was just to wear and tear.

1583
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 3: And yeah I had I had zero cartilage in my

1584
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 3: in my knee. Micro fracture macufacture.

1585
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what you didn't try to get the blood

1586
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: to try to get some regrowth.

1587
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, And that's crazy. They don't even do

1588
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: that surgery no more.

1589
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah did it? Did it take?

1590
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: Man? It took me like two years for me to

1591
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 3: even just feel pain free and feel like my you know,

1592
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: feel healthy again. It was It was the worst surgery

1593
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 3: and the worst thing that I went through. Oh man, Yeah, I.

1594
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: Didn't Penny, I think didn't Penny have microfraction? Also?

1595
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: Man, Penny and shout out to Kenyan Martin. Kenyan Martin,

1596
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 3: I think had two of them. He came back jumping out, the.

1597
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: Jumping up like I got a I got a.

1598
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 3: Large starting bar. I think he had Michael faction as well,

1599
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 3: that micarofraction. It took a lot of guys out, man.

1600
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: It did. Yeah.

1601
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: I know a couple of a couple of players. And

1602
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: has Rod Woodson had it early in his career and

1603
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: he came back and played I think another you know decade.

1604
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith ended up having it. But I can just

1605
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 1: imagine basketball players trying to have it because it's it's

1606
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: a what was it a sixth to sixth to eight

1607
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,600
Speaker 1: sixty nine month recovery?

1608
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 3: Oh that was like twelve months, man, a year since

1609
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 3: it's been twelve months back. Yeah, Yeah, it took me.

1610
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 3: I had, man, I had to keep my knee on

1611
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 3: the machine for like eight weeks. Man. That was like

1612
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 3: a grueling you know, comeback and and for me to

1613
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 3: play those four years after I left was that Houston

1614
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 3: It was all about. It was all about just proving

1615
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: to myself that I can come back from this surgery

1616
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: because I was like in my thirties. Now it's proven

1617
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 3: to myself that I could get back and make an

1618
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 3: NBA team. I knew I wasn't going to be the same,

1619
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: but it was something I had to prove something to

1620
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: myself that I could push through this. I had to

1621
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 3: ben afford to the push through this and get and

1622
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 3: make another team. So h that was my mindset, man.

1623
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: But T Mac, let mek me. Let me ask you

1624
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,799
Speaker 1: make this, T Mac, how hard was it for you mentally?

1625
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: Because you know what you were before and all of

1626
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: a sudden you've got to come to grig to your

1627
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 1: with yourself. This is this is a this is a

1628
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: battle between T Mac and Tracy McGrady. Yeah, I've got

1629
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: to come to grips with I'm never going to be

1630
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: what I once was and I've got to be with

1631
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: gotta be okay with that. That's not easy because you

1632
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: know what you were. You were an All NBA player,

1633
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: people talking about our two guards, okay, Tea mat Woo,

1634
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: whoo all you guys, and like, all of a sudden,

1635
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: like damn it, Yeah, I'm not gonna be that anymore.

1636
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 3: So to be you know, vulnerable and transparent with y'all

1637
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 3: like that was the darkest time in my life, right

1638
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 3: that was the darkest time of my life because two

1639
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 3: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, we went on

1640
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 3: a streak and won. I was with the Rockets at

1641
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 3: this time, and we won twenty two straight games, right,

1642
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: twenty two straight games. And if you go back and

1643
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 3: look at that roster, you like and look at the guys,

1644
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 3: the teams ahead of us, like, how the hell these

1645
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: This team won twenty two straight games. And on top

1646
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 3: of that, we lost yeah, yeah, game twelve, We lost

1647
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: yeng like game twelve, and we kept that streak going.

1648
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: That was a very very good team, very polished team,

1649
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 3: veteran team, and we were so connected. Man to win

1650
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 3: twenty two games, I thought that was going to be

1651
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 3: our year. Well, we were at least push somebody to

1652
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: the brink and possibly try to make it to the

1653
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: Western Conference finals. That I think that, how do we

1654
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 3: beat Utah? I think we played Phoenix and we we

1655
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 3: kind of had a number with them. But then the

1656
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 3: following year, right, so now I'm like, my knee was

1657
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 3: bothering me a little bit in that old seven eight,

1658
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 3: I had surgery. So I come back, we signed run

1659
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 3: our test and off season I'm feeling good. Oh my goodness,

1660
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 3: it's time surgery. I mean rehab. You know, I'm trying

1661
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 3: to get back full strength. My knee ain't right. I'm

1662
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: coming in the training camp, my knees not right. Trying

1663
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: to start the season off. I'm not feeling right, not

1664
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,800
Speaker 3: feeling like myself. So the shot that broke the Camel's back,

1665
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 3: we were in Milwaukee, and I can remember, Man, I

1666
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 3: got a fast break going up. I seen somebody trailing me,

1667
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 3: so I knew it. I couldn't really elevate if I

1668
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 3: came up on the same side he was going to

1669
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 3: block the shot. So I tried to go up under

1670
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 3: and dunk and I got hung. I didn't get no lift,

1671
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh man. So I get in

1672
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 3: the locker room at halftime, and it's so much going

1673
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: in my head and I'm like, jaeh, I ain't the

1674
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 3: same man. I can't play. I was like, I can't

1675
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,719
Speaker 3: play no more. Bro. I got I gotta shut it down,

1676
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 3: like I was crying. Bro. I was like, I gotta

1677
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 3: shut I gotta shut it down. So I shut it down.

1678
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 3: That season, I have I go to Chicago, I have

1679
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: Michael Factor surgery. Uh h. My team makes it to

1680
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 3: the playoffs. Now, mind you, we've been killing Portland. Like

1681
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 3: Portland was young team, up and coming because they had

1682
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 3: LaMarcus Audrix and Brandon Roy. Hero is the problem, by

1683
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 3: the way, But they were young and we had our

1684
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 3: way with them. I'm sitting in Chicago, man, in the

1685
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: CPA machine, you know, eight hours out the day, and

1686
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm watching my team play Portland in the playoffs and

1687
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 3: they beat Portland. We got the Lakers next, oh Man

1688
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 3: and Kobe. This is my opportunity to play Kobe in

1689
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: the playoffs and play at the Staple Center. Oh. I'm

1690
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 3: going through it, man, I am going through it. Mind you.

1691
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,680
Speaker 3: I haven't made it out of the first round. My

1692
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 3: team played Portland and they evanced, and all the time

1693
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 3: they lost y'all in the Lakers series. We take the Lakers,

1694
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: we take the Lakers to seven games, ook Joe, and

1695
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,640
Speaker 3: without me, they've lost y'all in like game five, they

1696
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:39,520
Speaker 3: taken the seven games. I'm in Chicago, Michael faxon surgery, depressed,

1697
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 3: going through it, and I'm like, yo, man, what Like

1698
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 3: I'm talking to God, bro, Why me? Why is this

1699
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: happening to me? Why this is like these last two years,

1700
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be my time. It's supposed to be

1701
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,799
Speaker 3: my window of winning. I lost my window in Orlando

1702
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 3: because Gret injury. That was a good window for me

1703
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 3: in the Eastern Conference for four years I lost that.

1704
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 3: I didn't have him. But now this is my window

1705
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 3: right here. I got another window and I can't I

1706
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: can't perform. And that man, that was so devastating because

1707
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 3: I wanted so bad for myself, for the team, for

1708
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: the organization, that group that I was with, we were

1709
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 3: so tight knit and I'm out of there, bro, and

1710
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,719
Speaker 3: it was hard for me. So I'm like, God, why

1711
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 3: why why is this happened to me? Like, give me something,

1712
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 3: Please give me something to get out of this call.

1713
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: It's a McGrady just want to inform you you made

1714
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 3: it to the Hall of Fame. Thank you, Lord, I

1715
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 3: appreciate you. Man that like to hear that brought me back, bro,

1716
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 3: because that was the man that that that was tough man,

1717
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 3: because we played this game to win and that was

1718
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 3: my opportunity to win and I didn't do it. Man,

1719
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 3: I didn't do it.

1720
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: Do I mean you look at yourself, Grant Hill. There

1721
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 1: were some guys that had Penny Hardaway. Look because I

1722
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: want to see the things back. I'm old enough to

1723
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: remember when Penny came in the league. I'm old enough

1724
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: to remember when Grant came. I know how special grand

1725
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: He'll was people. And you look at Grant Hill in

1726
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: college is like, bro, what is being You look at

1727
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: him in Detroit, his pers before he had that ankle injury.

1728
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 1: In Detroit, you look at grand Hill looked like a

1729
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: top bind player.

1730
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 2: There ain't nothing he couldn't do.

1731
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: He could score it, he could rebind it, he could hey,

1732
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: he was a point forward.

1733
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 2: He could defend his ass off.

1734
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: And then he got like what we thought was a simple,

1735
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: a simple ankle injury. And I guess he tried to

1736
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 1: rush back if something happened and he was never the

1737
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: same player.

1738
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 3: I think they misdiagnosed him and rushed him back because here,

1739
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 3: like when he was my teammate, he wasn't supposed to

1740
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 3: come back like January, January or February. He ended up

1741
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 3: coming back in like September, like September, like September, October. Yeah,

1742
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: like they had him doing stuff early in that process,

1743
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: like and then you know it's just it got worse. Yeah,

1744
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 3: and then you know at that time, it's not like

1745
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 3: you go out there and get you another player. If

1746
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 3: you're not a great hill the salary cap is it's

1747
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 3: very low, what is compared to today, So you just

1748
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 3: can't go inside somebody. So we was you know, we

1749
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 3: was handcuffed, and I mean it for me, it helped

1750
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 3: me grow as a basketball player, you know, really fast.

1751
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: But man, I hey man, I missed Rick. I miss

1752
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 3: him out there, bro, because I know what I was

1753
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 3: doing without him. What could have been in that Eastern

1754
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 3: Conference with the two of us? Can I I'm gonna

1755
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 3: get you out of here on different teammate.

1756
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard for players of the eighties

1757
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and nineties to give this generation players credit? Why this

1758
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: so hard that if you give a guy credit in

1759
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: the twenty twenties or twenty tens, it don't take away

1760
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: from your era in the nineteen eighty It doesn't take

1761
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: away from your money.

1762
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,799
Speaker 3: Money, Bro, you think that it's money, it's money, bro.

1763
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: Oh you the money is what bro.

1764
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 3: You do realize Like in the nineties, Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan,

1765
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 3: they're only making like two three million dollars and that

1766
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 3: was the top. They were the top guys. Man, two

1767
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 3: three I don't even think anybody making too three million

1768
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 3: dollars in the league right now. Yeah, these cat's making

1769
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 3: so much money. It's the money. It's the money, and

1770
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 3: how the league has really catered to the players. They

1771
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 3: made the league soft for these guys trying to talk

1772
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: that you're trying to cut down the eighty two games now,

1773
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 3: I mean you trying to cut down eighty two and

1774
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 3: go to seventy two. I think it's just all the

1775
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 3: other stuff of you know, you know, babying and coddling

1776
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 3: the players when they're making all this money.

1777
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: It has to be that the players got so much.

1778
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: The players have power now, even the great players back.

1779
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 2: Then never had.

1780
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that might not even be the

1781
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: top top dogs, got power that a superstar back in

1782
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties could only dream of.

1783
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: Kle They can call their.

1784
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Shots and get me that player or move me here,

1785
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: do this or else.

1786
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: And I got my boys. Hey, guess what.

1787
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:43,480
Speaker 1: I fly with my massage therapist, I fly with my nutritionist,

1788
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: I fly with my disc, I fly with my back.

1789
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: And you know what, by the way, hey, my homeboy

1790
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 1: a team Matt. He come to your practice all the

1791
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: time too, so he gonna need an access goal to

1792
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: get in anytime he wants to get into. If you

1793
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: tried that eight, it's not this like if you don't

1794
01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: get your hands up out of here.

1795
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 3: Hey, uh, let me just tell you to tell you

1796
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 3: a quick story. Grant Hill, myself and Tim Duncan was

1797
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 3: getting recruited by Orlando Magic. Okay, right, Obviously I'm the

1798
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 3: third guy that recruit because I was a bench player

1799
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 3: in Toronado. Tim Duncan is coming off of championship Great

1800
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 3: Hill mostly most of the time, mostly all Star at

1801
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 3: this time, all NBA player. They were going to sign

1802
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: all three of us. Tim Duncan wanted, I think his

1803
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 3: fiancee at the time, to be able to travel to

1804
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 3: some games on the road. Well, Ge Hill told me,

1805
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: Doc said he wasn't going to allow that. So because

1806
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 3: he couldn't allow he couldn't have his fiancee traveled with us.

1807
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 3: That was a deal breaker. You know, we could have

1808
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 3: had Tim Duncan, myself, and ge Hill on the Orlando Magic. Wow.

1809
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 2: Some somethings, T Max, you just got to make a

1810
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 2: concession for I.

1811
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,600
Speaker 3: Don't think it was. I don't think me being in

1812
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 3: the NBA was for me to win man. I don't

1813
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 3: think it was in for me to win, bro I

1814
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: really don't, man, because it was just a lot of

1815
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 3: shit that happened to be in my career. That was

1816
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 3: aim bro hey t bag.

1817
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: Tonight, the Nuggets did beat the Mavericks. Nicola Yogic twenty

1818
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: three points, twenty one rebounds, nineteen assists, Jamal Murray fifty

1819
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: three points on nineteen of twenty eight nine or fourteen

1820
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: from the floor from the three point line. So Yogic

1821
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: had twenty three twenty one nineteen. He was an assist

1822
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: short of a of his second twenty twenty. There's only

1823
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: been three twenty twenty games where your twenty assists, twenty rebounds,

1824
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: twenty points.

1825
01:32:59,000 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 3: Well, we had.

1826
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: Could finished the assist short of that.

1827
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 3: We had them. We had them on our network last

1828
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 3: night on NBC, and we were in the studio watching.

1829
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to have that twenty twenty

1830
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 3: twenty game last night. The man is unbelievable talking about

1831
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 3: master like him. He's talking about master the game of basketball,

1832
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 3: and and and and really look like after the game

1833
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 3: he just didn't really play a game. And don't even

1834
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 3: give a shit that he just had twenty twenty twenty

1835
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 3: and man, let me, let me, let me, let me

1836
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 3: get on my phone and check my horses. My horse.

1837
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 3: You got somebody out there kicking your ass and don't

1838
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 3: even care. They just gave you twenty twenty twenty beat

1839
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 3: your ass and then he go and check on his

1840
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: horse slope. Okay.

1841
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: I think the thing is is that you look at him.

1842
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with bird because they don't jump high,

1843
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: they don't run fast, they're not the big they don't

1844
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 1: got no, they don't have Charles oakleiand they don't have

1845
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Mason a round or ten shoulders. So you looking at

1846
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: them like, how about to test boy, I'm about to

1847
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: do it. I'm about to do a number on him.

1848
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Team at are you about to get it? You look up.

1849
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 2: This more folk got thirty fifteen to fifteen on me.

1850
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 2: Yeah quick, give.

1851
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 3: Me, give me still, give me skill That man and Luca,

1852
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 3: they are I ley skilled and if and that's what I.

1853
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,799
Speaker 1: Watson came back tonight in twenty three minutes, twenty one points,

1854
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: four rebounds, three assists on seven or ten, shooting two or.

1855
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 3: Three, telling y'all, man, I'm telling you see this is

1856
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 3: what this is what I saw. And again can they

1857
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 3: do it. They probably can't, but I'm saying they can't

1858
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 3: because of the inconsistent, inconsistency of you know, them being

1859
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 3: in and out of the lineup. But what I saw when

1860
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: they added Cam Thomas, I mean John Cam Johnson. When

1861
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 3: they added they brought back Bruce Brown and along with

1862
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 3: the other core that they have in balance Unis as well, right,

1863
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 3: adding another big that could go inside rim protector and

1864
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,360
Speaker 3: he could step out and run your offense, so you

1865
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 3: don't have that that drop off when Yokis is on

1866
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 3: the bench. I was like, Yo, that's my championship team

1867
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 3: right there. Think about it. They were injured last year

1868
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 3: and they took okay, see the seven games. Now they

1869
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 3: much deeper. But I'm gonna tell you somebody on that

1870
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 3: team that I'm so like just impressed by, and I

1871
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 3: salute him for the season he's having. He had a

1872
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 3: phenomenal season. Hey man, that Tim Hardaway, Junior Doug he

1873
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 3: is hooping this ship man who've been to When he

1874
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,640
Speaker 3: shoots the ball, it's like Steph Curry this year, Like

1875
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,800
Speaker 3: that's a bucket. That's how well he shooting the ball

1876
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 3: this year. He's super duper confident.

1877
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I need somebody to study Aaron Gordon because all he

1878
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: did was play a rider. All he did was playing

1879
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: the paint and now he don't turn the deal a

1880
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: three point. I mean, you get the different people in

1881
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: Orlando probably thinking about where was that when you were here?

1882
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 3: Right right? Hey, man, he got there and worked and

1883
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 3: they unlocked him there because I damn sure didn't see

1884
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 3: that in Orlando. But that's assessment to his dedication in

1885
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 3: his work. Man shooting forty one. Denver is dangerous. Ye,

1886
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,520
Speaker 3: Denver is dangerous. That's all I'm saying. They are dangerous,

1887
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,959
Speaker 3: and they could come out of the Western Conference finals.

1888
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 3: But I just think that again, that inconsistency and trying

1889
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 3: to flow that all together and connect that and have it,

1890
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 3: you know, consistent in a seven game series against team

1891
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 3: like San Antonio or Okay, see, I don't know. I

1892
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 3: don't know if it's there, but hey, we'll see. Man.

1893
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 2: T Mac, thank you for joining us tonight.

1894
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: Seven time All the NBA players, seven time All Star,

1895
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: two time scoring champ, Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady, T Mac,

1896
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us tonight.

1897
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 3: Man.

1898
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 2: We appreciate that.

1899
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: Man.

1900
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 2: You stop by any time you want to and we

1901
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: can we can chop it up. Bro, we appreciate it.

1902
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,600
Speaker 3: Man. Anytime y'all want me on here, I ain't doing that.

1903
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Tell tell our chat about your podcast. You got a

1904
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: podcast with your cousin VC. Talk to us somebody where

1905
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: can they find it?

1906
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, we're trying to catch up with y'all. Boys. Man,

1907
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 3: it's all all platforms, man, all all platforms. Please subscribe

1908
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 3: to that. Me and my cousin just talking the game

1909
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 3: of basketball, talking about life. What's the name of it?

1910
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 3: Cousins cousins?

1911
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 2: Okay, chat, so y'all hear that.

1912
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: Cousins Vince Carter uh and Tam Mac got a podcast

1913
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 1: talking all things who make sure you check it out

1914
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: of all platforms, t Mac again, thanks for joining us tonight.

1915
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 3: Bro shat y'all chat, y'all fuck with me? Y'all like me?

1916
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 3: Can I come back? Can I come back on the show? Chat?

1917
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Chat? Y'all want y'all want Tea Mac to come back?

1918
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1919
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 2: This said you come back any time you want to, man.

1920
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: That's what it is. Man. I definitely come back in

1921
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 3: the playoffs and will chop it up. That's gonna be fun.

1922
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 3: I appreciate the team Mac love man. I'm cat.

1923
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, that's team Matt. I want to thank you

1924
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: for joining, for joining us tonight. Man Hey, you think

1925
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: he asks Hi about the time, won't sho? I was

1926
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: trying to get him out of here on the time

1927
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: that he's saying. He said, man, y'all try to cut me.

1928
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: Should all right? Stay?

1929
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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Stay? You welcome to stay, bro,