WEBVTT - Rufus Griswold: Poe’s Petty Stalker

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>second season of Criminalia. This season, we're exploring the lives

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<v Speaker 1>and motivations of some of the most notorious stalkers throughout history.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Maria, I'm Holly Fry, And as we did in

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<v Speaker 1>the first season, we planned a look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>history's transgressions to get a better understanding of what really

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<v Speaker 1>went down, and in doing so, we're hoping that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get some perspective on whether any of these alleged perpetrators

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<v Speaker 1>emerge instead as sympathetic characters, and also how these crimes

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<v Speaker 1>look through today's eyes, because, as they say, a little

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<v Speaker 1>distance goes a long way. So our first season was

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<v Speaker 1>all about women poisoners, and frankly it was all about

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<v Speaker 1>ours neck too. But now in season two we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>far less arsenic, but we will see a lot more stalkers.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're going to talk about Rufus Griswold, who was

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<v Speaker 1>the arch nemesis of Edgar Allan Poe. And while the

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<v Speaker 1>cause of post death is a mystery still today, we

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<v Speaker 1>do know one thing, actually we know two things. One

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold did not kill him too. Everything we thought we

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<v Speaker 1>knew about Poe is actually really wrong and it's Grizzwald's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're here to talk about the man Griswold was not,

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<v Speaker 1>to solve the mystery of post death. First, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to lay a little groundwork and talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about stalking and stalkers. Right, So, stalking by definition is simple, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>the definition just says it is the unwanted pursuit of

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<v Speaker 1>another person. That's it. That's all. So it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>wide net that could involve things like following someone or

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<v Speaker 1>unexpectedly appearing at a person's home or a place of employment,

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<v Speaker 1>or making harassing phone calls, leaving written messages or objects,

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<v Speaker 1>or vandalizing a person's property. We've seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>this in the modern era, little different in the history,

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<v Speaker 1>not all the same technology available, and it could involve

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit or a few of these things and

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<v Speaker 1>still be defined as stalking. But it is also a crime, right,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's one or six, still a crime. So who

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<v Speaker 1>becomes a stalker? You might wonder, Well, we wondered. So

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<v Speaker 1>the demographics related to stalkers are actually quite diverse and

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<v Speaker 1>as you're going to see this season. Virtually anyone can

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<v Speaker 1>become a stalker. They come from all walks of life

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<v Speaker 1>and socioeconomic backgrounds. But despite the diversity, research shows that

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<v Speaker 1>there are actually some common characteristics that they have. In

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, according to the FBI, as many as

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<v Speaker 1>eight seven percent of stalkers are male and are white.

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<v Speaker 1>Half fall between the ages of eighteen and thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Most stalkers, again, according to the FBI, are of above

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<v Speaker 1>average and tell agents, and most earn above average incomes.

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<v Speaker 1>But now let's take a look at the victims. So

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<v Speaker 1>just as anyone could become a stalker, anyone could become

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<v Speaker 1>a victim. Of all stalking victims, about three quarters, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the FBI, again are women, and they are between

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<v Speaker 1>the ages of eighteen and thirty nine, and eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>percent of them are white. Also, a little more than

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<v Speaker 1>half of them are married. And indeed, as Maria said,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can become a stalker. Take Rufus Wilmot Griswold for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold was by all accounts successful. He was a journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>a literary critic, an anthologist, and an editor. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a really impressive resume, and it looks really good on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>but what he's best known for is his character assassination

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<v Speaker 1>of Edgar Ellan Poe. His hatred was palpable during the

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<v Speaker 1>years of rivalry between the two authors, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>a rivalry that didn't end until Griswold's death, which was

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<v Speaker 1>well after Poe was long So. Griswald was born on

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<v Speaker 1>February eighteen fifteen in Vermont, in a really small town

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<v Speaker 1>outside of Rutland, and he was the twelfth of fourteen children.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was a farmer and a shoemaker, and he

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<v Speaker 1>raised his family strict Calvinist. And it was said that

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<v Speaker 1>Griswald was intelligent looking. He had a high, broad forehead

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<v Speaker 1>and large gray eyes, a sharp nose, and an expression

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<v Speaker 1>of smug defiance, which when I read that I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was fantastic because as you learn a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>about him, you're going to envision that what he looked

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<v Speaker 1>like as a kid manifested his entire life. Um it's

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<v Speaker 1>also been sad quote that he has a glib tongue,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that did carry with him his entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>So he left home when he was fifteen, and he

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<v Speaker 1>called himself and we quote here again a solitary soul,

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<v Speaker 1>wandering through the world, a homeless joy, this outcast. My god,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like an eighteen thirties emo kid. He totally

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<v Speaker 1>wast man. And although Griswold would like people to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that he spent his teenage years voyaging the world, modern

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<v Speaker 1>biographers disagree with that claim because actually, at fift TV

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<v Speaker 1>was not out traveling the world by himself. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in Troy, New York, attending the Rensseller School that is

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<v Speaker 1>now Rensseller Polytechnic Institute. And this was all thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>his brother, who was a well known businessman in that town.

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold was, however, kicked out of the school shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>he started his studies there because apparently he had a

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<v Speaker 1>little problem with playing pranks. So we went to live

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<v Speaker 1>with his brother who was in Troy, and it said

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<v Speaker 1>that during that time Griswold became acquainted with the writer

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<v Speaker 1>George G. Foster, who's famous for writing the book New

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<v Speaker 1>York by Gaslights. He moved of Troy and moved in

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<v Speaker 1>with Foster, who lived in Albany, New York. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're unfamiliar with New York state, Albany is about eight

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from Troy World Traveler. He bridging the state.

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<v Speaker 1>While he was in his twenties, though, Griswold moved to Syracuse,

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<v Speaker 1>New York again not so far afield, and he started

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper there called The Porcupine, which is terribly charming

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<v Speaker 1>his names go, it is, except for when you learn

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<v Speaker 1>what he did with it, and you're right. So this

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<v Speaker 1>publication was later remembered as a spiteful critique that targeted locals,

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<v Speaker 1>and mostly it was all written by Griswold under the

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<v Speaker 1>pseudonym Toby Trinculo. Basically, it was just his next door

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<v Speaker 1>that he had a printing press for. Yes, I also

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<v Speaker 1>laughed because I know what comes ahead, and I apologized

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<v Speaker 1>for that. But this won't be the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>we see Griswold using a pseudonym. But I really have

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<v Speaker 1>a love hate relationship that he uses now and writes

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<v Speaker 1>an entire newspaper on one. So anyway, he continued working

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<v Speaker 1>as a journalist after Syracuse and Uh he was journalist

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<v Speaker 1>and a critic in Philadelphia, New York City, and a

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<v Speaker 1>few other northern cities at the time when he began

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<v Speaker 1>editing for the Chautauqua Wig that officially established him as

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<v Speaker 1>an editor, and he held editorships of both The Western

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat and the Literary Inquirer in and then in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six he edited an Olian Advocate. Much of his

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<v Speaker 1>work at this time was again still in Western New York.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm actually going to change the topic quite a

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<v Speaker 1>ways right now. Let's talk about Griswold's marriages for just

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<v Speaker 1>a minute. And I bring this up because Griswold met

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<v Speaker 1>his wife right before he began working at the Olian Advocate.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship he had with her is really interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>it's unlike any other we see him have throughout his

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<v Speaker 1>entire life. Watching it develop and watching them as a

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<v Speaker 1>couple helps us see the complexity of Griswold and not

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<v Speaker 1>just his hot streak. He was actually married three times

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<v Speaker 1>during his life. Shortly after marrying his first wife, Caroline,

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold actually became a reverend at her encouragement. Caroline unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>died young while she was giving birth to their third child,

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<v Speaker 1>the son that also died during childbirth, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>two daughters, and all accounts suggest that Griswold was deeply

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<v Speaker 1>in love with Caroline from the moment he met her.

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<v Speaker 1>As One story goes he threw himself on her grave

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<v Speaker 1>during her funeral, and another tells about how a month

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<v Speaker 1>after she died, he actually snuck into the crypt where

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<v Speaker 1>she was buried, just so he could spend the night

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<v Speaker 1>near her. Sorry, my my pause was just because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I want someone to sneak into my

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<v Speaker 1>crypt or not. I've I'm torn on that. So, while

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<v Speaker 1>his marriage to Caroline made him feel saved, he has

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<v Speaker 1>said his other marriages were not so deep. He eventually remarried,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, to a woman named Charlotte Myers, who

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<v Speaker 1>was many years his senior. But when Griswold became interested

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<v Speaker 1>not in his wife but in the poetus Alice Carr

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<v Speaker 1>and asked for a divorce, Charlotte refused him. This turned

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<v Speaker 1>into quite an ongoing conflict, and that marriage ultimately ended

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<v Speaker 1>in a public and very controversial divorce. Griswold's third wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Harriet Macrillis, left him after the previous divorce was almost repealed.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically after Caroline, he never got it right again, No,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't, you know, he never should have tried. He

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<v Speaker 1>should have just stuck with being a widower. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>enough now, though about Griswold marriages. We're going to take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick sponsor break, and when we returned, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about how and when Griswold met Edgar Allan Poe.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Criminalia. Now we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how Poe and Griswold met. So Rufus, Griswold and Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Allan Poe met right around eighteen forty, and that's when

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold was planning a poetry anthology. So at this time

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<v Speaker 1>in his career, Poe was working as a literary critic

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<v Speaker 1>and he was a budding poet. He was interested in

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold and the work that Griswold was doing, and the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them met and ended up talking for hours. Poe,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably trying to be helpful, provided self or works of

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<v Speaker 1>his own for the anthology, and he also recommended poets

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<v Speaker 1>for Grizzold to consider, but Griswold ultimately ignored all of

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<v Speaker 1>post suggestions, although he did include some of Poe's works.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that book was published, Griswold paid Poe to write

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<v Speaker 1>a review of the anthology for the Boston Miscellany. A

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<v Speaker 1>little awkward, right, there's some journalistic standards to be examined.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not so cool. Moving on, like, yeah, oh did

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<v Speaker 1>take that job. And he wrote what was mostly a

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<v Speaker 1>positive review except oh, yes, there is an exception. There's

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<v Speaker 1>always He criticized some of the poets that had been selected,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly as many as twenty four, including Longfellow, who po

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<v Speaker 1>accused of plagiarizing Alfred Lord Tennyson. I mean, who among

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<v Speaker 1>us hasn't done a little light Lord Tennys in plagiarism

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<v Speaker 1>here time to time comes off. Po stated that many

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<v Speaker 1>of the poets who were selected were and we're quoting

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<v Speaker 1>him here to mediocre to entitle them to particular notice

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<v Speaker 1>o whammo. So Poe was known to be a really

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<v Speaker 1>harsh literary critic. No way was a lamb. Everybody's doing

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<v Speaker 1>their best. He wrote, I love your high kup. So

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<v Speaker 1>basically when he reviewed your poem, your book, your anthology,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was, his reviews generally stung, and he offended

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<v Speaker 1>many of his peers and his colleagues with his writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Um But among the most offended was Rufus Griswald, who

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<v Speaker 1>at the time was a rival editor, anthologist, and two

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<v Speaker 1>po at least a failed poet. Griswald had once said

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<v Speaker 1>about po that quote, the tales of Mr Poe are

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<v Speaker 1>peculiar and impressive. He has a great deal of imagination

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<v Speaker 1>and fancy, and his mind is in the highest degree analytical.

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<v Speaker 1>The reader of Mr Poe's tales is compelled, almost at

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<v Speaker 1>the outset, to surrender his mind to the author's control.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that should have been the bio, and he should

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<v Speaker 1>have done wrote the end, right, I mean, that's beautiful, praise,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's lovely. But um times change. So after pose

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<v Speaker 1>assessment of the anthology, Griswold believed that Poe thought too

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<v Speaker 1>much of himself and he was really displeased by the review.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the moment that sparked a rivalry that

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<v Speaker 1>lasted beyond pose death and might be one of the

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<v Speaker 1>longest standing smear campaigns of literary history. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the day, experts on this rivalry put it pretty simply.

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<v Speaker 1>Griswold was the kind of person who made enemies everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>he went, and he and Poe may have just been

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<v Speaker 1>a pair that provoked and infuriated each other. It happens, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes people just rubbed you the wrong way. But wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this went much further than that. So a nightmare to

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<v Speaker 1>many who knew him, both socially and or professionally. Griswold

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<v Speaker 1>was really actually pretty good at what he did, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had built a strong literary reputation when his eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two collection called The Poets and Poetry of America

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<v Speaker 1>was released. In fact, Griswold and Poe had both worked

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<v Speaker 1>on a publication called Graham's Magazine, but to pose disappointment

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<v Speaker 1>when Griswold succeeded him as assistant editor. Griswold also took

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<v Speaker 1>home a bigger paycheck, and Poe may have felt short changed,

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<v Speaker 1>but Griswald had come to utterly low's Poe because Poe

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<v Speaker 1>had criticized Griswold's poetry collections. How dare he he was

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with this bad review. The owner of Graham's Magazine

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<v Speaker 1>later commented that Poe quote gave Mr Griswold some raps

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<v Speaker 1>over the knuckles, a force sufficient to be remembered. I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose that is a way to say it. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean again, this is the kid who thinks he left

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<v Speaker 1>home and paints himself as like this lonely, penniless joy

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<v Speaker 1>live of the world, and then someone's like, you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a crap poet like, He's like, fine, then I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just write under pseudonym as you'll never know to his

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<v Speaker 1>entire identity was undermined by this thing. So really, at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in their story, this is when things went

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<v Speaker 1>kind of truly weird. Alright. So Poe died on October seven,

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine, and the po Griswald situation moved beyond rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>between two editors. Um Speculations about the cause of post

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<v Speaker 1>death abound even today. They ranged from alcohol poisoning to

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<v Speaker 1>an undiagnosed illness such as maybe tuberculosis, and they even

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<v Speaker 1>speculated that it could have been rabies, which actually at

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<v Speaker 1>that time wouldn't have been a weird thing like today.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we do know is that he was found

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<v Speaker 1>lying on a street in Baltimore, incoherent and dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>someone else's clothing. He was admitted to the Washington College Hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>where he spent last days, and reportedly while there he

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<v Speaker 1>kept repeating the name Reynolds. A local newspaper reported his

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death as congestion of the brain, and today

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<v Speaker 1>we would call that frenitis or swelling of the brain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was at the time often used as a

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<v Speaker 1>euphemism for alcohol poisoning. The circumstances surrounding pose untimely death

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<v Speaker 1>remain one of the great mysteries about the author even today,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has long fueled the perception that he lived

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<v Speaker 1>a life of debauchery. With Pose death, Griswold saw an opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>and he went on and on to defame po for

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<v Speaker 1>many years. We are going to take a break, and

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<v Speaker 1>then when we come back, we will talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>and when Griswold began this campaign of defamation. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Criminalia. So it all started with the obituary. That

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<v Speaker 1>character assassination we mentioned before the break began immediately upon

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<v Speaker 1>Poe's death. Griswald penned pose obituary for the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Tribune, which actually was so libelous, and he knew

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<v Speaker 1>that that he wrote it under the pseudonym Ludwig More pseudonyms.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, rufus, stand up for your own words. So

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<v Speaker 1>that obituary began. I'm going to quote it. Edgar Allan

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<v Speaker 1>Poe is dead. He died in Baltimore the day before yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>This announcement will startle many, but few will be grieved

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<v Speaker 1>by it. He went on that Poe was morally bankrupt

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<v Speaker 1>and a drunken womanizer, and today we know that none

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<v Speaker 1>of that is actually true. In this obituary, along with

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<v Speaker 1>any information about Poe that came from Griswold Old, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all an attempt at revenge for some of the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>and provoking things that Poe had written about Griswold and

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<v Speaker 1>his work over the years. But there's a beautiful sort

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<v Speaker 1>of irony here, which is that the attacks that Griswold mounted,

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<v Speaker 1>which he intended to turn people off of reading Pose works,

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<v Speaker 1>actually had the opposite effects. People became very fascinated and

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<v Speaker 1>started reading Poe even more after his death than when

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<v Speaker 1>he was alive. I love it. The obituary was just

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning. With Po's death, Griswold became the well

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<v Speaker 1>spring of pretty much all the misinformation about pose life

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<v Speaker 1>from the eight hundred still today. And next, in his

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<v Speaker 1>toxic campaign, he decided that he would write Pose memoirs.

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<v Speaker 1>I always think about this in the selfish lens, and

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<v Speaker 1>go who that hates me would write my And how

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<v Speaker 1>badly would that go? Well? Would it sound like exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>And it said that Poe had appointed his now literary rival,

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<v Speaker 1>Griz Wald to be his literary executor. And that sounds weird, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also might have happened. Uh. It often seems

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<v Speaker 1>when you read about their story that Griswold was really

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<v Speaker 1>fuming all the time and Poe was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're crabby, Like he didn't have the same iron return

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I feel the same way. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>for Poe, he kind of like came and went out

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<v Speaker 1>of the rivalry, and like Griswold was just in it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Yes, because he was obsessed. Yes, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, this may have actually happened, that Poe

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<v Speaker 1>chose Griswold to be his literary executor. It is actually

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<v Speaker 1>likely that one of the following two things happened. So

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<v Speaker 1>some historians think that yes, Poe did name Griswold to

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<v Speaker 1>be his literary executor, probably during a time when the

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<v Speaker 1>two were in a more civil relationship, um, which you know, possible. However,

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<v Speaker 1>others believe it was more likely this scenario. Griswold probably

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<v Speaker 1>convinced Poe's mother in law, a woman named Maria Clem

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<v Speaker 1>after post death to sign away the rights to the

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<v Speaker 1>author's works, promising her profits from the sales of the memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>but Maria was never actually paid well. She was paid,

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<v Speaker 1>but not as she expected to be. She received six

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<v Speaker 1>sets of the two volumes of the memoir with a

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<v Speaker 1>card that said that she could sell them and that

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<v Speaker 1>would be her profits. What a peach it's come on now.

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<v Speaker 1>With all of post literary papers, Griswold was able to

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<v Speaker 1>take real events in post life and twist them to

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<v Speaker 1>fit the character of Poe that he was creating. And

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<v Speaker 1>he ended up creating what you've probably heard of before,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a mad genius version of po One where

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<v Speaker 1>he became this poor, wandering madman with alcohol and opioid

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<v Speaker 1>problems who talked to himself on the streets. And Griswold

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<v Speaker 1>backed up his claims about Poe with quote unquote evidence,

0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.240
<v Speaker 1>although most of that so called evidence has also been

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<v Speaker 1>completely debunked. I would love to see that evidence. So

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<v Speaker 1>when gris Wald edited and published an inaccurate collection of

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<v Speaker 1>Poe's writings, in which he included a biographical piece entitled

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<v Speaker 1>Memoir of the Author, as you men guess, it did

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<v Speaker 1>not paint a good picture of Poe. Griswold made false

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<v Speaker 1>claims about pose character, and it was this piece that

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<v Speaker 1>would go on to seal the negative reputation. Griswold was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to develop a Poe within the community, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was starting to become how people thought of Poe. In

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<v Speaker 1>the biography that Griswold wrote of Edgar Allan Poe, he

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<v Speaker 1>also portrayed Poe is basically a conniving jerk who had

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<v Speaker 1>conned a woman out of money and who spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of his time drunk. But then Griswold actually took things

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<v Speaker 1>to a new level. He made up passages and quotes

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<v Speaker 1>from Pope posthumously. They were all quotes that gave high

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<v Speaker 1>praise to Rufus. Griswald surprised, and they were. They were

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<v Speaker 1>all attributed to Poe, so he claimed after the man's death,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact he was very complimentary of him. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a terrible person, but he loved me. Poe at

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<v Speaker 1>this point was becoming a legend in the community. But

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<v Speaker 1>his life still to this day is widely mischaracterized and

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<v Speaker 1>his character has been distorted this whole time because of

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<v Speaker 1>this one book. And while Poe was an obsessive rivalry

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<v Speaker 1>for Griswald, that was not the only person that Rufus

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<v Speaker 1>had some controversy with. You don't say he had a

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<v Speaker 1>personality type. There were a lot of people that he

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<v Speaker 1>had conflict with, but there are two that came up

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<v Speaker 1>in the research that are really worth noting. Reverend Jule

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<v Speaker 1>Healey and Griswald were working on books about George Washington

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and through their interactions, he was

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<v Speaker 1>angry and swore revenge. We don't know exactly what went down,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is Grizzwald. He began calling grizz Wald and

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<v Speaker 1>we quote such a liar that even his friends replied

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<v Speaker 1>to his statements with the query, is that a grizz

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<v Speaker 1>Wald or a fact? Which I would really like to

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<v Speaker 1>make a comeback, Holly, I think we can do it

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<v Speaker 1>day to day life. I'll have to explain it the

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<v Speaker 1>first few times and then people will start to get it. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike Griswold's life longs talking of po this rivalry lasted

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<v Speaker 1>only about a month, and unfortunately no one today says

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<v Speaker 1>is that a griz Wald or is it a fact? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>So nothing about this rival We're really stuck. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of another like twist of the dagger that even an

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<v Speaker 1>insult about him did not persist his story. Glee like

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<v Speaker 1>You're not less in anyway, dude, right, I can't even stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And Heatley was not the first person who butted heads

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<v Speaker 1>with Griswold that year. A young woman named Elizabeth Ellett,

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<v Speaker 1>who was well known among the high circles of literary society,

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<v Speaker 1>proposed to Griswold that she could write a book about

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<v Speaker 1>American revolutionary women, and he really liked the idea, so

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<v Speaker 1>he agreed, and he also agreed that she can have

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<v Speaker 1>access to his private library. But she committed the terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible faux pa of never thanking him for letting her

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<v Speaker 1>have that research access. Bless her soul. This bruised Griswold zego,

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<v Speaker 1>and he found the oversight completely insulting, and Elizabeth Ellett

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<v Speaker 1>essentially became dead to him at that point. Rufus just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Rufus just can't. It's gonna be my reaction to anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't want to deal with. I'm sorry, Rufus

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<v Speaker 1>just can't. Good So okay. During the years between Poe's

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<v Speaker 1>death and his own, gris Wald published numerous poems and anthologies,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as sermons and editorial pieces, and none of

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>them had anything to do with Poe. Among His most

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<v Speaker 1>notable works are the Poets and Poetry of America, which

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about earlier, the Poets and Poetry of England,

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<v Speaker 1>and a poem that was called Five Days, which was

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<v Speaker 1>written for his first wife Caroline. After her death, Griswold

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<v Speaker 1>continued to work on anthologies right up until his death

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<v Speaker 1>by tuberculosis on August seven. And when Griswold died, there

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<v Speaker 1>are stories that there was a portrait of Poe hanging

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall in his hallway. This was the only

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>portrait that Poever sat for, and Griswold had stolen it. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>you might maybe use the word con as a more

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 1>appropriate discussion, but basically he had gotten met somehow from Poe,

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<v Speaker 1>his mother in law, the same exact woman who he

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>had kind of conned into signing away the rights to

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:10.919
<v Speaker 1>pose works. Yeah, she should stop talking to him, But

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<v Speaker 1>I love the idea that it was a portrait on

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<v Speaker 1>the wall in the hallway. Um, he hated him so much,

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:24.120
<v Speaker 1>he looked at him every single day. So we have Griswold,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has died, And just a few years after

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<v Speaker 1>his death, a woman named Sarah Helen Whitman, posed former fiance,

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>published her own biography of Poe. Several other authors, editors,

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<v Speaker 1>and poets followed with their own written defensive po and

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<v Speaker 1>these versions, most of them, at least, if not all

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>of them, portrayed Po in a much better light than

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Griswold ever had, And while they were unable to set

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<v Speaker 1>the record straight within the community, they did finally almost

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>successfully dismissed the popular idea that Poe was an opium addict. However,

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<v Speaker 1>as time passed, it was Griswold's Memoir of an Author

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that he had written ages ago, when Poe had first died,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 1>that became accepted as a true account of post life.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it was actually really the only established biography

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<v Speaker 1>of Poe for something like twenty five years, and today

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the largest collection of Griswold's work now belongs to a

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<v Speaker 1>museum dedicated to his enemy. I love that so much.

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I love that his portrait is hanging up in you know,

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>his historical society, and it has nothing to do with him. Yes,

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And while post legend, of course lives on today, it's huge.

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Griswold is basically just remembered as Po's first biographer and

0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the man who smeared him after his death now there

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 1>was a story that came up that we talked about

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 1>during the research that you loved, and there wasn't quite

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a correct place to put it here, but I wanted

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that you tell it because it's so

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 1>incredibly charming. It is so charming, and I think that

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>it is such a good description of who Poe actually was.

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 1>I just fell in love with it. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a time after The Raven. The poem came out, and

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.399
<v Speaker 1>as a literary critic you're not recognized on the street,

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>but as a poet um at that time you were.

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<v Speaker 1>And so The Raven became very popular and so popular

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that children knew who po was and they would follow

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>him around on the streets calling at him, which I

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.959
<v Speaker 1>think is fantastic one, but two, he would turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of raise his hands up in the air

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and go never more. And the kids would just run

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>off like screaming and laughing and having a really good

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>time with Edgar Allan Poe, which if you were Griswold,

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 1>those words don't actually make sense. It probably even and

0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>sensed him that children liked to. I know he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>even the children are calling him no one. I just

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I mean everything that I've learned about power

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't had Griswold's touch to it just suggests he

0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>was such a charming man. It didn't fit in the script,

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate you giving me the time to share.

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<v Speaker 1>It's slightly selfish because I love it, Girl and Poe,

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<v Speaker 1>I like rufus. Griswold have his portrait in my home,

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<v Speaker 1>although not so I can spear at it because I

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<v Speaker 1>love him. So we um instead of what you're poisoned

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<v Speaker 1>this season have a little bit different name. So Holly

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<v Speaker 1>is going to kick that off. Yeah, I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>still are going to have cocktails. Don't don't mistake my

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<v Speaker 1>language for no cocktails just mean we're going to call

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<v Speaker 1>him something out And this one you have to excuse

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<v Speaker 1>because we're taking a little bit of linguistic license. We

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<v Speaker 1>are calling these the chaser. Normally, a chaser is actually

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<v Speaker 1>non alcoholic. It's what you have after you have a shot,

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<v Speaker 1>where you then drink down like a soda or a

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<v Speaker 1>water or something so that it helps balance that out

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<v Speaker 1>in your system and you don't become a train wrean

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<v Speaker 1>too quickly. But we're calling them chasers because we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about stalkers, and they will, in fact usually have alcohol.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a brilliant name. And thinking about these

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<v Speaker 1>two and Rufus Griswold in particular, I wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>a dark drink, and I wanted to make something that

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<v Speaker 1>was just interesting in a little bit outside of where

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<v Speaker 1>I would normally land, and I created something called the

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<v Speaker 1>Bitter Rival. Uh So it starts with four ounces of

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<v Speaker 1>cold coffee, two ounces of rum. I used a spice rum,

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<v Speaker 1>and ounce of simple syrup. You can use a flavored one.

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<v Speaker 1>I used a little bit of my leftover honey syrup

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<v Speaker 1>from when we did the bees Knees at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of season. One, three quarters of an ounce of lemon juice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then two to three shakes of angist a bitters.

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<v Speaker 1>The lemon juice is interesting, gives it a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of bite, which is what we want, right. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>want this to be an overly sweet and cloying thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We must definitely do not with these men, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>I want everything to be overly sweet and cloying. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can do other bidders if you prefer them. I

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<v Speaker 1>had angister on hand. Mix that all up, give it

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<v Speaker 1>a shake and a shaker if you wish pour it

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<v Speaker 1>into your glass, and there you have a bitter rival.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because it doesn't have as much body as

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<v Speaker 1>I anticipated, and it's not as bity as I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you really dislike bitey, you can add a

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<v Speaker 1>little more simple syrup. If you would prefer it to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little more bitter, you can drop that down

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<v Speaker 1>to like a three quarters of an ounce. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is my my odes to Rufus Grispell, the bitter Rival.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think that post the kind of guy

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<v Speaker 1>who would have had a lot of coffee. One would

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's a coffee time. And it's also a good

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<v Speaker 1>way if you're like me and you make like a

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<v Speaker 1>pot of coffee and sometimes you end up with like

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<v Speaker 1>a cold bit at the end that you don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to drink. Put that in a jar or a

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<v Speaker 1>container and toss it in your fridge and keep it

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<v Speaker 1>on hand or something like this. It's a good way

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<v Speaker 1>to not waste protect So thank you, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining us for this kick off to season

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<v Speaker 1>two of Criminalia. We are so excited. There will be

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<v Speaker 1>so many more stalkers to come uh and we will

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<v Speaker 1>see you next week right here. Criminalia is a production

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