1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,439 Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 3: Welcome to You and That's what You Really miss podcast. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: We've got a wonderful fan from Ireland who stayed up 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: late to chat with us, Connor. Connor Burke is here. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: Connor Burke is also in the arts, is an actor 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: and playwright and has a podcast, Glee Cat, that he 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 3: started during the pandemic where he was going back and 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: watching Glee having thoughtful conversations because he is a thoughtful lad. 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 2: And he also co hosts Gleek of the Week with 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: Andrew a lot. 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 4: You can tell he's a really good interviewer. Really, he 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: kind of flipped the script on us, which we didn't mind. 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: But also from Ireland, he's also so good. 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: He's also so, he's got a lot of soul, he's thoughtful, 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 4: he's kind. 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: I love this conversation. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: I could have spoken to him for hours. He really 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: is the Irish opera. People are saying it, everyone's saying it. 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: Saying it. Well, here's Connor. 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 5: Oh hello, hello, hello, hello, Hello. It's so good to 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 5: see you both. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thanks for saying up late for us. 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 5: Oh this could have been four am. 25 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: And let's be real, what time is it there? 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 5: It is ten? 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: Here is I'm already in bed at that point. 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: This is not late. 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't see ten o'clock. 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 5: Guys, I can tell you you were both glowing. Whenever 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 5: I see clips on social media, I'm like that skin 32 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 5: dot la vibe is it's really hitting filter. 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the window to get as much light exactly. 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: I feel direct sunlight on my face. You're so kind. 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. It has been 37 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 5: the best crack ever. Listening to this podcast. 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: I feel like, thank you. 39 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 5: It has just been so beautiful. I have not personally, 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 5: I've not watched Glee in a while. Obviously, I've dipped 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 5: in and out, So like, rewatching with you guys is 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 5: such an experience. It's so wonderful and it's it's been 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 5: like the best time, you know, kind of like I 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 5: don't know, both of you kind of taking back the 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 5: narrative and like your experience is so like I feel 46 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 5: like more people need that, you know what I mean? 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Mm, thank you so appreciate that. 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: I mean, and you sort of started this whole podcast business. 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you are solely responsible. 50 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 5: This is all your fault. 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: This is you. 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like Joe Rogan, who hello. 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: You invented? 54 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 5: Basically yeah, basically that's Spotify deal is coming real quick, 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 5: I am. Yeah. I set up a podcast called Glee 56 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 5: Cap in the midst of Lockdown in I believe it 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 5: was maybe April or May, and I had previously done 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 5: some like voice work in Ireland and stuff like that, 59 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: and I had this microphone sitting in front of me 60 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: and I literally woke up one morning and I was like, 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 5: I need to make a podcast about Glee. 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: Like it was. 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 5: It was like a rock had just a religious experience. 64 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 5: It was crazy and basically yeah, And by the by 65 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 5: the next day I had the first episode uploaded and 66 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 5: for the next however long, there was a different guest 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 5: basically every other week. People were all like Irish British 68 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 5: theater people, creatives, so fat, people who had never seen Glee, 69 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 5: people who were obsessed with it, and it was a 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 5: different dynamic every week. Then as a result, yeah, and 71 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 5: it was just it was the thing that kept me 72 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 5: going through lockdown. I was I didn't go insane. It 73 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 5: was so much work, but like such a joy. And 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: now in twenty twenty four, I'm still talking about it, 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 5: and I think I will, like if I live into 76 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 5: my nineties, Like I'm still going to be talking about 77 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: the show like to god, like it's insane. 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: How did you find the show originally? How did it 79 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: come to you? 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: Glee? 81 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 5: The thing about Glee was like Glee started in obviously, 82 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: it first started in two thousand and nine, and so 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 5: I was fourteen and it ended when I was twenty 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 5: and so I feel like what people often miss from 85 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 5: like the narrative when they talk about the show is 86 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: that in those years, like you were obviously experiencing like 87 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 5: crazy things, like you're growing up, you're figuring out who 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 5: you were, You're friends with this person, but then you're 89 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 5: friends with that person, You're like, what am I doing 90 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: with my life? For me, the one constant in those 91 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 5: six years was a TV show. And I feel like 92 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 5: when you see conversations around fandom, you're just like, oh, 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 5: they really like this person because they can really sing. 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 5: But it's like it's actually more than that. It's kind 95 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 5: of like what they represent and what the product in 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: this case, the TV show represents for you. Right, So yeah, 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 5: I mean I was fourteen years old, I was in 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: an all boys' school in Ireland. I was like obsessed 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 5: with musical theater, even though I cannot sing or do ance. 100 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: That is my boss always loved it. And then of 101 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 5: course this show comes along and it's like it's Taylor Made. 102 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 5: It's like someone reached into my brainah and was like this, 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: this is what you need. So there's kind of like 104 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 5: a deep emotionality to it that I feel like maybe 105 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 5: a lot of people don't really understand. I know, Like 106 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 5: that's a question I had for you guys. Do you 107 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 5: guys obviously now living through like this podcast and recopying 108 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 5: the episode, like do you ever think you will both 109 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 5: get to a point in your life where you're like, 110 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 5: I understand how big of a deal this is? Or 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 5: do you still struggle to comprehend it even though it's 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: been a time since the show. 113 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: And I feel like I comprehended. I feel like I 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: do comprehend it, I think as well as I can. 115 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: This podcast has absolutely helped, Like talking to people like 116 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: you and learning about those perspectives has sort of filled 117 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 2: out a bigger picture where I think in terms of 118 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: if I travel anywhere. For example, I was in Houston 119 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: Texas a couple of weeks ago, and was getting recognized 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: everywhere I went in La like that doesn't happen very often, 121 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: And all those things add up to like a greater 122 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: picture of Oh, this show has been off the air 123 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: for a long time, But I think you just described 124 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: it beautifully because I have this I feel this way 125 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: about certain shows or movies. But when people attach certain 126 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: parts of their life to that show, to that experience, 127 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: then that creates sort of the phenomenon of what it was. 128 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: Because yes, like we were on cracker Boxes and you're 129 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: on tour, but a real lasting impact exactly how you 130 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: just described can only be felt after time has gone by, 131 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: and I think through this experience like we're doing right now, 132 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: it has created a much deeper understanding of the impact 133 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: it has had, and especially while we were doing it, 134 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: was very hard to detect or to feel right sure. 135 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's another there's a level of 136 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: understanding and comprehension that we can kind of grasp from 137 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: a viewers point of view. It's like Gray's Anatomy. For me, 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: when that first came out, I felt like it was 139 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: the an Asian character that just played herself, like I 140 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: felt like there were characters I could relate to their 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: storylines that I loved, Like there was just a lot 142 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: of things about it that I hear echoed in Glee fans. 143 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: But like the understanding of like the impact it had 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: globally at such a big level, Well, it's still hard 145 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: to understand that, like we were a part of that, 146 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: I think. So I'm not sure if we'll ever you know, 147 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 4: I think we'll understand it to a point, but yeah. 148 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 5: Absolutely, because I feel like I remember so distinctly when 149 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: I was fourteen or fifteen years old sitting watching Glee 150 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 5: with my parents, who and obviously I was a gay teenager. 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 5: I had known that since I was like a ten 152 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 5: or eleven, and there was a scene happening on screen 153 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 5: that was centered around Kurt. I can't remember what it was, 154 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: and I remember so distinctly staring at my parents in 155 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 5: my peripheral vision to try and read the reaction. Yeah, 156 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 5: you know, that was my That was my first introduction. 157 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 5: Like I had no idea what to do in that situation, 158 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 5: like I was a child, and so to see this 159 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 5: played out on screen was so powerful and it's so 160 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 5: so beautiful and something that I see a lot like 161 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 5: on social media around the show. It's I don't see 162 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 5: like a lot of story like that discussed kind of enough. 163 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: I'm I kind of approached Glee from a more emotional standpoint, 164 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: and obviously I laugh at all the memes and stuff too, 165 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 5: and all the great stuff that have come out. But yeah, 166 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: that that's that's like a really important thing. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, 167 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 5: So yeah, like what a beautiful thing. 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: What about Damien coming on the show? What would. 169 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 5: Oh my god, I was so glad to get that 170 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 5: Irish repon. I don't know, I obviously know he was 171 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 5: on your pod, like yeah, a couple of months or whatever. 172 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 5: I can't remember. Did you guys ask him about that? 173 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 5: I can't remember what his whole thing is. I think 174 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 5: he just thinks it's hilarious. 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, he took it in stride. 176 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 177 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 2: I also think it was out of all the places, 178 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 2: like I love that somebody from Ireland and the show. 179 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 4: I know, I loved, we loved him so much. 180 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 5: So yeah, I was such a gorgeous singing voice as well. 181 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 5: I remember there was one there was one season it 182 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 5: must have been season was obviously season three, and he 183 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 5: came home to Ireland for Christmas and there is a 184 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 5: very famous talk show in Ireland called The Late Late Show. 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 5: It's like it's actually the longest running talk show in 186 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 5: the world. And he was honest and it was like 187 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 5: the Beatles, like people were going like you and of 188 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: course you guys obviously don't see it from that perspective, 189 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 5: but people were like, I remember going to the tour 190 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 5: in Dublin. 191 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, guys, Oh my gosh. 192 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 5: You go to I went to the very last one. 193 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: Okay, that was that was pretty crazy. 194 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you were there. 195 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: Our energy was wild. 196 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 5: Is it true what they say about Irish Crewds because 197 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 5: all these musicians are always like Irish Crewds are brilliant, 198 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 5: But then you always think, oh are they just saying 199 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 5: that just to appease let's are we good? 200 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. 201 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 2: Well the thing about that venue was weird. They weren't 202 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: allowing people to stand up. 203 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 4: So the first show we did it was an afternoon 204 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 4: matinee and nobody's standing and we're. 205 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Like, did they hate us, Like what's going on? 206 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: And we were did They wouldn't stand never, So we 207 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: had to ask them. We had to ask them to 208 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 4: allow people to stand because we were like this will 209 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: be a nightmare of show, run of shows if people 210 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: can't stand up and like dance. 211 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: But we just started instructing people like we're on stage, 212 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: what we're going to do. 213 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 5: I remember, Kevin, did you come out? Am I just 214 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 5: imagining this? Did you comment in a tri color and 215 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 5: you were singing, ohky boy? Yeah? 216 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: I did. 217 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm glad I would erupted somebody. 218 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: I remember that, Keaven. 219 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: I know, I'm like, I have somebody to verify that 220 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: it wasn't money. 221 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: You remember that? 222 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 5: Oh my god, one of the best nights of my life. 223 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 5: My sister and her then boyfriend now husband brought me. 224 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 5: It was the three of us. I think I heard 225 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 5: you talk about this Jenna recently, Like the crowd was 226 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 5: It's the most I've credit ever seen at a concert 227 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: to this day. Yeah, Like there was literally like an 228 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 5: eight year old woman there having the time, Like it 229 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 5: was amazing. 230 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: Damn. 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 5: How did that? 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 4: Like? 233 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: Did you? 234 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: Guys? 235 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 5: That must have been such a relief for you that 236 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 5: particular night, because I'm sure you had the best crack ever, 237 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 5: but also you must have been exhausted and been like, 238 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: let me go, Like it must have been such a 239 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 5: weird conflict you know what I mean, it was. 240 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: It was one of those things where I think every 241 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: a lot of people were like just very tired, done 242 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: over it, like we I mean that was in July. 243 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 5: Was that in July? 244 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, we started shooting a year before or maybe it 245 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: was June. I don't know. Like we had been working 246 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: almost for twelve months straight, and so by the time 247 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: we got to Dublin, we had just lost our minds. Yeah, 248 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: and so like there were yeah, like you said, there 249 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: was a part of like my dad has always wanted 250 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: to go to Ireland. I could be on stage and 251 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: sing oh Danny Boy with the crowd like the greatest 252 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: experience ever. And then also then everyone just wanted to 253 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: be done. But then during that last last show, I 254 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: remember looking back and like people were just crying because 255 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: it was also are we going to be able to 256 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: ever do this again? Is this ever going to happen? 257 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: So it is a huge conflict of we're grateful, we're tired, 258 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: we love each other, we love doing this, all those 259 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: things all at once, and everything came out sort of 260 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: in that last show. And I love that you were 261 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: there to see Yeah, oh. 262 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: My god, I amazing, like literally one of the best 263 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 5: days of my life, like I swear in my life. 264 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 5: But you know what's so interesting when you guys always 265 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 5: talk about the schedule and stuff like that, even when 266 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 5: you're filming, the thing with me is and I know 267 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 5: I will. I have never had this experience. I can 268 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 5: talk away to like a radiator and have a full 269 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 5: blown conversation for seven hours, but like, I am an 270 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 5: introvert and I need time to decompress. So when you 271 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 5: guys talk about those long hours, I'm just like, it's 272 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 5: one thing, like the physical exhaustion, But like what I got, like, 273 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 5: was there every time where you could just go away 274 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 5: into the corner of like the choir room or somewhere 275 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: off set and just be like, I need to lie 276 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 5: down for twenty minutes, please don't speak. 277 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that happened more often than not. 278 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there were times where like you'd be totally in 279 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 4: the mix, you'd be laughing, you'd be hanging with everybody, 280 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: and like two or three people would be off kind 281 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 4: of doing their own thing. And then there would be 282 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: times where like I'd go off and kind of sit 283 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 4: and all the sets are pretty much close in you know, 284 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: close proximity to each other, so like even shoes. Apartment 285 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 4: was like a standing set, and so we would go 286 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: and like lay in his bed because there was a 287 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 4: real bed, so like you'd just go lay there and 288 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 4: people would be like, just tell me where you're going 289 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 4: next time, so I know where you are when you 290 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 4: have to go to set. But yeah, there were definite 291 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: I think everybody had a little bit of that recharge 292 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: button that had to like go away for a second. 293 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: And especially in those first three seasons when it was 294 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 4: just so monstrous, we would all just we were like 295 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: professional naptakers. We'd all knock out like so fast and 296 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: for like twenty minutes. It would just be like the 297 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: most important sleep of our day. 298 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say the first season, so we were 299 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: like hanging out more like we'd be playing games. And 300 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: then as the show started to go on, we're like 301 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: we learned to preserve. Yeah, we need to take some time. Yeah, yeah, 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: just like sit in silence for a little bit. 303 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 304 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: How has it been doing your podcast? Still? 305 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 5: It's been a joy. You know. I've had friends of mine, 306 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: you know, for example, one of my friends, Lizzie, a 307 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: year or two ago, played Tracy Turnblood in the West 308 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 5: End production of Hers by the revival of that show, 309 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: and she came on and she would talk about how 310 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 5: like she was like I do musical theater because of Gray. 311 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 5: So there'd be a story like that, or there'd be 312 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 5: a story about you know, my friend Emma who when 313 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 5: she was thirteen decided her favorite character on Glee was 314 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 5: Emma Pill's breathe and decided to run out and die 315 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 5: her hair ginger. I was like, I believe, yeah, so 316 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 5: it's been beautiful. And what happened was I recapped the 317 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 5: first four seasons and I had the time of my life. 318 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: And then I went to drama school in London and 319 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 5: obviously those hours are manic, and so I took a breather. 320 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 5: And then relatively recently, I have been guessing very regularly 321 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 5: on Gleek of the Week, which we all know, and 322 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 5: it has just been this. It sounds so strange to 323 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 5: say it has been such a joy, Like the amount 324 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 5: of work that Andrew puts into that podcast. Believe it's 325 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 5: a full time job. On top of his full time job, 326 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 5: you still have these people who are so invest like, 327 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 5: you know, we're getting dms being like I can't believe 328 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 5: you voted that song out like that, and it's been glorious. 329 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 5: And Andrew and I got to interview Lauren Party. Yes, 330 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 5: that was just wonderful for many reasons. Obviously because we 331 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 5: love her, Yes, Secondly, she just spoke so eloquently about 332 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 5: her experience and why her life was fundamentally changed by 333 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 5: the show. And thirdly, like quite frankly, it was an 334 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: emotional experience for Andrew and I, Like, you know, it's 335 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 5: kind of uncomfortable to say, as I imagine it's uncomfortable 336 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: to hear. But there's a lot of cast members yourselves included, 337 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 5: that mean a lot to us for a variety of reasons. 338 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 5: And so we're kind of sitting there like, oh my god, 339 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 5: like this is more to fine, but it's also kind 340 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 5: of camp, you know, it's fun. But yeah, it's been 341 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 5: a joy and and the podcast inside of it has 342 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 5: been great. I's like, I can I can name like 343 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 5: six clee podcasts, Like, yeah, I have got my own 344 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 5: theories as to why people are still talking about this show. 345 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: Tell us do. 346 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 5: You know what's so funny? Actually? And this is strange, 347 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: Like I was on YouTube maybe a month or two ago, 348 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 5: and they always say that no one knows, like no 349 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: one knows you like your homepage on YouTube, and the 350 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 5: recommended video was Glee cast version of Scream, and I 351 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 5: had not seen it in so long, and I clicked 352 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 5: on it and I watched it, and I was like okay, 353 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 5: and then I was like, this is just like this 354 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 5: is just fantastic, Like the fact that that musical performance, right, 355 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: a random musical performance knee deep into the middle of 356 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 5: season three, in an episode with eight or nine musical 357 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 5: performances was filmed, and obviously Havin yourself and Harry are 358 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 5: amazing in it, but like the cinematography, and like, I 359 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 5: was like, this is just people are always talking about 360 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: I think Glee. People still talk about Glee because of 361 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: this and this and that. It's like, well, people still 362 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 5: talk about Glee because Glee was so good, like it was. 363 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think there's ever been anything on 364 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 5: TV since that comes close with There's been amazing stuff 365 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 5: that have been highly influenced by it, like the rise 366 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 5: of movie musicals and stuff like that. Yeah, but I 367 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 5: don't there's not a there's not been a show that 368 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 5: kind of incorporates music as well. In my opinion, the talent, 369 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 5: like I think Robert Ulrich and his team if they 370 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: ever won any awards, they deserve every award because, like, 371 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 5: you all just played your part so well, and like 372 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 5: I'm talking about from like from Leah and Corey all 373 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 5: the way down to like Josh Sussman, like it was 374 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 5: in everything, Like you all just played the part so 375 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: like you did the work. Sometimes I was like, how 376 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 5: do you guys get a script and then read this 377 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 5: ridiculous scenario and then go from that to like what 378 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 5: we see on screen? Mm hmmm, because quite often as 379 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 5: an actor, and I can only speak in my experience, 380 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 5: like quite often it's more difficult to get one or 381 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: two lines of dialogue and like make at work than 382 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 5: actually have like a juicy scene to like for. 383 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, those were the hardest. Was like sitting in 384 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: a choir room with twelve fourteen people and you have 385 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 4: one line that comes in the middle of all that conversation. 386 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: You're like, what is that line again? 387 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 4: Because there's just nothing to connect it too, so you're like, 388 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 4: don't forget it, or like I just and then and 389 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 4: then you mess it up and you're like, what's my line? 390 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 4: You're like the one the actor in the room. When 391 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 4: you have one line you can. 392 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris has a full monologue and three weeks yeah, yeah. 393 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 5: Stop, yeah, I always about about mister Shoe. I was 394 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: like I in some ways, I'm like I really really 395 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 5: kind of felt bad for Matthew Morrison because I'm like, 396 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 5: he always had the opening, Hey, we're going to do 397 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: yeah so much. 398 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 399 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, And like obviously Naya and Uh and Jane Lynch 400 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 5: with those monologues like that. 401 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: Is just yeah, they were both so good at it. 402 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 2: But I could also just memorize it. 403 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: She's look at it and really remember did she do. 404 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 5: You guys like did she have a photographic memory? Like 405 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 5: would you be surprised? 406 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I saw her too many times do not 407 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: look at the scene until the morning of and she 408 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 2: would have a full page of you know, like rambling 409 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: nonsense that does makes no sense. Yeah, because you know, 410 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: like if you would have drama school, if you have 411 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: a monologue and it's like a train of thought and 412 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 2: it's written really well, you could follow that. Then it's 413 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: much easier to memorize because it's a natural train of thought. 414 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: When Ian is writing those like Sue in Santana monologue, 415 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: it's almost Yeah, it's like joke after joke after joke 416 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: after joke and with you know, like snarkiness. So not 417 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: only are they able to memorize it, they're also like 418 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: acting it properly. And so I would go into the 419 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: hair and makeup trailer with her like sides for the day, 420 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: read it over maybe once or twice, and then have 421 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: it and that and I I would I remember like 422 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 2: like yelling at her. I'm like, that is insane, howe. 423 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 5: Why why? 424 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely rious? 425 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 5: But do you know what as well, what I what 426 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 5: I will say is obviously this show and I will 427 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 5: die in this hill is one of the funniest TV 428 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 5: shows of the past, like thirty years. It is so 429 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: so witty and I literally sometimes I feel like screaming 430 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 5: at my friends that don't watch it. I'm like, you 431 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 5: need your ass down the show. But another thing that 432 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: is so impressive about it the way all of you 433 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 5: would like inflect your lines. And Kevin just reminded me 434 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 5: there of when you were talking about Naya. It was 435 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: it was not only what was written on the page, 436 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 5: it was the way your voice would like inflect the lines. 437 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 5: Did you guys just kind of was that all instinct 438 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 5: or like just say, if you had a one liner 439 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 5: that was really funny where you often stopped and was 440 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 5: it like a case of Jenna, please don't say it 441 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: like this, Can you like say it like that? Or 442 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 5: was that very much up to you? 443 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that ever happened. 444 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 4: Really, there was no I don't think anybody got coached 445 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: on their timing or delivery. I think after there was 446 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: like a tone that was really set in the pilot, 447 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: and the speed at which we spoke was very much 448 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: faster than a lot of other shows, and the way 449 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 4: that you delivered lines was very much a style that 450 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 4: was kind of created for us by all of us 451 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 4: I think together. I mean as a lot of the 452 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 4: people in the pilot who spoke a lot, I think did. 453 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, very I don't think we ever got 454 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 4: delivery notes or anything like that. It was just that 455 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 4: they trusted us to know our characters and how we 456 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: would want to say it. 457 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, if we got notes, it would be about like 458 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: maybe timing or pacing. 459 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, or you said this word wrong or whatever. But 460 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 4: the writing was so excellent that like you didn't really 461 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 4: have to do much work, like if you just said it, 462 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 4: like you let it do the work on its own. 463 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 4: And so I think That's also partially where that that 464 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 4: tone came from, was the writing was so consistent and 465 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 4: the jokes were so consistent in that way. 466 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 5: Sure, because it must have been a bizarre experience, or 467 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 5: maybe it wasn't. Like okay, if I think about it right, 468 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 5: one episode, it's Quinn getting into a car crush, it's 469 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 5: all of the Krofsky stuff. It's Finn and Rachel getting married. 470 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 5: The next episode is not Bomer. The next episode it's 471 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 5: a tribute to Saturday night favorite. The next episode it's Whitney. 472 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Like, Yes, were you like, would you like open. 473 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 5: Oh, oh look we're gonna perform a man umbrella with 474 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 5: Were you like reading this being like this is insane? 475 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 5: Or were you like, this is the most normal thing. 476 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 5: Like six episodes in felt kind of normalmal. 477 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: Completely normal, because when you. 478 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: Say it like that, yeah, you're like what. 479 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: But we never saw it like that because we were 480 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: usually like filming one episode and then you get the 481 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: script for the next episode in the last few days 482 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: of that current episode, and you're just sort of. 483 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: What are we doing next? Tell us where to go? 484 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 2: You're just looking at anything, We're looking at the story. 485 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: And so I think, like when you see what the 486 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: episodes are now as a completion, you're like, oh, yeah, 487 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: that's right, same night Fever and Whitney and like what 488 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: it's crazy, none of those. 489 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 5: Like how do you do that? 490 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: Back to back to Matt Boemer, I think we were 491 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: just in it, so you're just showing up to work 492 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: like you're just on the hamster wheel. 493 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 4: That's why I think like Matt Bohmer was such a 494 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 4: shock to us when we watched it this time, or 495 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 4: at least for me, because he was so underrated in 496 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 4: my mind of that episode, because I think we were 497 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: just moving so fast that when we rewatched it, I 498 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 4: was like, how did I miss this? 499 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: How did I Martin? It was like some of those 500 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: people were in and out of there so quickly, so fast. Yeah, 501 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 2: that we just had no concept of what was actually 502 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: happening around to. 503 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 5: Sure, you were part of a massive machine essentially, and 504 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 5: I'm sure it felt that way on tour as well, 505 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 5: like you're going to all of these great places, but 506 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 5: like did you necessarily have the time to like relax, 507 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 5: unwind and like no explore you know, I. 508 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 4: Have to interviewer by the way, Yeah, you're very good 509 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 4: at that. You're very like are we on your podcast? 510 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: Are you on ours? 511 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: Because do you know what I feel like, Oprah Winfrey 512 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 5: right now? Were you silent or were you silent? I've 513 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 5: been waiting for this since two thousand and nine, as 514 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 5: these are. 515 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: Excellent questions, very good questions. It feels like therapy. This 516 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: is great. 517 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 4: Kevin and I actually were pretty good on tour, even 518 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: though I was losing my mind and my head was 519 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 4: half off. 520 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: Like, we did explore quite a bit. 521 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: The two of us would like go out during the 522 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 4: day with a security guard and try. 523 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: And go see things and try the food or whatever. 524 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 4: Like in Philadelphia we want to get like Philly steaks 525 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 4: at the Samous place. Like it was just like we 526 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 4: tried as much as we could to like make this 527 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 4: a normal experience for ourselves. 528 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: We didn't sometimes we were moving too quickly. When we 529 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: got to Dublin, we had a full day to which 530 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: was like a luxury temple Street was so much. Yeah, 531 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: so we get to run around and actually. 532 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we went to dinner. It was really fun. Yeah. 533 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, people were insane back in those days, like the 534 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 5: Sons are are absolutely amazing, but so I just can't 535 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 5: rock around that concept. Has your relationship with This sounds 536 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 5: like I'm peers mooredan has your relationship with like Anderson 537 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 5: Cooper and seeing in exclusive, but has it like has 538 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 5: your relationship with the quote unquote fame slash being well 539 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 5: known recognized? Like how does that sit with you now? 540 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 5: Like are you comfortable with it? Is it kind of annoying? 541 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 5: Is it? 542 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 4: Like? Well, I don't feel like I'm famous anymore? So, 543 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 4: Like I kind of feel like at the time, we 544 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: were so young and we were we were Oh thank you. 545 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: We were living in this like crazy hot bubble that 546 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 4: like was just on fire the whole time, and we 547 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: were just riding it like it's like a wave. I 548 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: don't know, that's a really weird analogy, but. 549 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we were in it. 550 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 4: We were in it together, so like it wasn't just 551 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 4: one person. It wasn't like Jennifer Lawrence coming up in 552 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 4: her career and being all by herself in this like moment, 553 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 4: Like we were all together in it. It was happening 554 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: to all of us at once, and it was very 555 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 4: strange at the time, and I'm sure we all have 556 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 4: our own stories about how it shaped us and affected 557 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 4: our lives and affected our lives now even but I 558 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 4: think now I look back on it, like, wow, what 559 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 4: a cool, weird thing, Like fame isn't fame isn't the 560 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 4: thing that's that's important? Like it sure, and like it 561 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: was a really it did a lot for us, Like 562 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 4: it opened a lot of doors and it's why we're 563 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: able to be in the positions we're in still but 564 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 4: like in our careers. And so I feel like, but 565 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: I look back on it with that moment of like, oh, right, 566 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: that was It is fleeting and it's not real and 567 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,959 Speaker 4: it's kind of strange, and you know, you learn lessons 568 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 4: from it. 569 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't know who it was, Jenna, but you probably 570 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: were there for this conversation somebody who I don't know 571 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: who it was, but was very famous at the time 572 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: and we were just starting and they're like, fame is 573 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 2: not real, famous, fake, None of these people know you. 574 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: They and it's really great to be admired by these 575 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: people because you're a part of something that's touching a 576 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: lot of lives. But if you use that or hold 577 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: on to that in any sort of serious way to 578 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 2: make yourself feel important or give your life meaning, you 579 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: are going to be left because it is not a 580 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 2: real thing, right, and like just and like once the 581 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 2: show is done, then that fame changes, it evolves or 582 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: moves away, and so I think sort of keeping that 583 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: in the back of my mind the whole time. Yeah, 584 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 2: was and like also adjusting to your relationship to fans, 585 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 2: I think. 586 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: In terms of when. 587 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: You're out in public, how you interact with people, how 588 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: they interact with you. Also on tour was a really 589 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: interesting experience because state to state, country to country, fans 590 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: interact differently, very differently, because it's a cultural thing. And 591 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 2: so I think, like now my relationship to it is 592 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: very different because maybe because I've gone through all of that, 593 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: but like now I have no problem with it, easy, 594 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: happy when people come say hi, you know what whatever. 595 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: Back then it was because it was I think so 596 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: frequent and so sometimes aggressive that you have the adverse 597 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: reaction and you want to just sort of shrink into 598 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: yourself and like that's it. 599 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 4: Kevin, I think it was like a little bit scary, 600 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: Like we were a little bit threatened at the time, 601 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 4: not by the fans themselves, but just by like your 602 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 4: own personal space being kind of. 603 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: Eliminated. 604 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 4: So there's this like level of like am I am 605 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 4: I safe in this moment right, like, because I'm still 606 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 4: a person, Like it's like anybody coming into your personal 607 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 4: space and asking you for something that is very unfamiliar. 608 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 4: But these days, I think with social media and the 609 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: way we choose to put out our lives and the 610 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: way that we're connecting with fans and even with this podcast, 611 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 4: it's like I equate them with like two different things. 612 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 4: Like I equate our fans as a very different thing 613 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: than fame. Yeah, Like I fame to me is like 614 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 4: this fake thing that's like, Yeah, the media builds you up. 615 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: People kind of know who you are. They think they 616 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: know who you are. 617 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: You get this like rise and you know, ego and 618 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 4: moments of like wow, people want want to be you, 619 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: They want to be a part of you, they want 620 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: to know it. Whereas the fans were like the we 621 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 4: would be nowhere without our fans and without this show, 622 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 4: Like people like you who were you were deeply impacted 623 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: in an emotional way, like I've been deeply impacted by 624 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 4: another show. Like so I see them as two completely 625 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 4: separate things. Just to be clear, But yeah, I think 626 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 4: it's a it's really weird. 627 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's what both of you just said. 628 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 5: There is so beautiful because I think from obviously I'm 629 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: only one person, like I'm not speaking for all of 630 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 5: the fans, but I think what are what are so 631 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 5: beautiful about podcasts like this, particularly this one, is that 632 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 5: the way you two just spoke. I think when you're 633 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 5: a fan and you're a lifelong follower of people, you 634 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 5: can really sense that kind of authenticity, if you know 635 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 5: what I mean. Like your first two episodes on this 636 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 5: podcast with Ryan Murphy was like I'm going to go 637 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 5: on a limb here and say this two of the 638 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 5: best podcast episodes I've to ever about anything, because it 639 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 5: was just so like, let's just talk about this, like 640 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 5: three human beings that love and respect and admire people 641 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 5: and admire each other and like just have a chat 642 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 5: like there's and you can tell that when you're listening, 643 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 5: do you know what I mean? Like, if you've got 644 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 5: any semblance of emotional intelligence, you can kind of tell that. 645 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 5: And that's why this has just been so beautiful, Like 646 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 5: it's very there's something really like moving about that, do 647 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? And you guys kind of 648 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 5: come into that realization as you've gone through. Is there 649 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 5: anything that surprised you about the show, Yeah so much. 650 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: Let me season three. Yeah, And I know we've said 651 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 2: it before, but what's my favorite part, honestly is like 652 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 2: getting like the interactions from people who listen and being 653 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: like this in season three or look out for this 654 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: in season two. That's been surprising because a lot of 655 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: time very different than our memories, and so having a 656 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: direct connection to people in that way, like if we 657 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: were on a show now and you could almost have 658 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 2: that instant connection to see how you know, an episode 659 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 2: affects people, but people even on Twitter back then it 660 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 2: was different. There's a different language, slower, yeah, And so 661 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: being able to hear people's favorites and what moves people, 662 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: and like hearing your story about like sitting next to 663 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 2: your parents during a Kurt like coming out scene, all 664 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: of that is surprising in like a really wonderful way, 665 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: because like that is something very meaningful and obviously something 666 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: that you will remember, and that has been and people 667 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: like you sharing that and feeling comfortable sharing that, that 668 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: to me has been like the most surprising thing. And 669 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: I think maybe it probably just goes back to your 670 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: wonderfully astute observation and questions about when we started the podcast, 671 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 2: I think setting it up as a place of safety, 672 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: you can be honest, there's no judgment. Nobody's perfect. We 673 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: all made mistakes making this thing, as everyone does at 674 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: times in their lives, and so I think setting that 675 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: up for fans or cast or crew to come on 676 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: to share their experience has been very surprising because the perspectives, 677 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: even with people we worked with, are very different than 678 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 2: our own. And that's just been wonderful to hear. 679 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 5: Sure, it's a. 680 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: Very long way to say that. Sorry, no, I. 681 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 5: Remember so clearly, you know, complete honesty. When NYA passed 682 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 5: and twenty twenty and obviously that was the Height during 683 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 5: the Height lockdown, and it was a very tough time 684 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 5: all around the world for a myriad of reasons. And 685 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 5: at that time a BBC journalist reached out to me 686 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 5: to ask me to go on to BBC and talk 687 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 5: about queer representation and why that's important, especially with what 688 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 5: Naya and some time I did for all of us. 689 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 5: And I did, and I went on and I was 690 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 5: talking to them for around fifteen minutes and I hung 691 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 5: up with the phone. But it was like an hour 692 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 5: long slot on the radio, if you know what I mean. 693 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 5: So I listened to like the remaining forty five minutes, 694 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 5: and there must have been like a dozen two dozen 695 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 5: people on after me talking about their experiences and the 696 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 5: weight that Glee and then by extension, all of you 697 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 5: guys held for us. And I remember in that moment, 698 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 5: I literally just kind of broke down crying, but like 699 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 5: obviously because of what had happened, but also because I 700 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 5: was kind of thinking I will probably never meet these 701 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 5: people who are talking about their experiences on the radio 702 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 5: in my life. I don't know them. They're from different 703 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 5: parts of the world to me, but like, here we 704 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 5: are so connected by this like thing. Yeah, and then 705 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 5: I was kind of like, and people who are listening 706 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 5: are going to think that this sounds so hyperbolic and 707 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 5: so over the top, But like I was, like, I 708 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 5: know for a fact in that moment that this show 709 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 5: is going to echo throughout my life in some way 710 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 5: for the rest of my life because it came into 711 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 5: my life at such a time when I needed it, 712 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 5: so it implanted itself into my brain. Yeah, and there 713 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 5: hasn't been a piece of media since it came out 714 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 5: that I'm like, I obviously like things. I love different 715 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,399 Speaker 5: TV shows and stuff, but it's it's like, I'm twenty nine. 716 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 5: Who said that, not me? I'm twenty nine now, Like 717 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 5: the show came in when into my life when I 718 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 5: was fourteen, that. 719 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: Is right, and half my life. Wow, that's crazy. 720 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 4: Well, it's just so nice to hear from you that 721 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 4: it affected you so profoundly that like you you can't 722 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 4: see like you can see this like forever connection. That's 723 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 4: like really beautiful and I don't think anybody's ever said. 724 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: It that way. 725 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 4: And thank you for all your really wonderful, thoughtful, intentional questions. 726 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 4: I have one more question for you before we wrap up. 727 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 4: What is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? 728 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so lovely listening to your podcast 729 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 5: when you ask that question, because when you're listening to 730 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 5: it and you're just like cleaning your room or whatever 731 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 5: as you're listening, you can always hear like a beat 732 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 5: before someone answers that. It's so lovely. Uglee was and 733 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 5: continues to be like one of the most important things 734 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 5: to me. It quite literally like altered the course of 735 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 5: my life. And I sometimes I hear I hear what 736 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 5: I'm saying and I'm like, oh my god, Conor, I 737 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 5: can't pletely just said that. But that's how I feel. 738 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 5: I get so emotional about it. It was I I 739 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 5: look past everything surrounding the show and I look I 740 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 5: kind of look to the work and what all of 741 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 5: you did for me. The work is the most important thing. 742 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 5: There's a very there's a very famous Irish playwright that 743 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 5: I love called Enda Walch who he actually, you guys, 744 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 5: might he adapted the musical once he wanted like a 745 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 5: Tony Ward for that. Yes, And he gave an interview 746 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 5: to a newspaper a couple of years ago that he 747 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,800 Speaker 5: said all of his all of my plays are about 748 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 5: people who haven't been loved or looked after. And I 749 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 5: think that really resonated with me because I'm like, I 750 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 5: think a lot of like Ryan Murphy and Co's work 751 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 5: is centered around that team. Yes, just the essence of 752 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 5: Glee to me, I wasn't necessarily interested in who was 753 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 5: like in a relationship or who was breaking up. The 754 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 5: emotional essence to me was these weird old kids following 755 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 5: their dreams. That that was the impact for me. I 756 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 5: was like, are they going to get into Niada? Are 757 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 5: they going to go to New York? What is already 758 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 5: going to do when you leave that because I was 759 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 5: living at Yeah, you know, my dad is in a 760 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 5: wheelchair too. My dad is a double amputee, and you know, 761 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 5: he's the best man ever, but he's also a man 762 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 5: of a certain age that expresses very little emotion. I 763 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 5: remember him seeing Artie on TV for the first time 764 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 5: and literally like an older man. So it leaves me 765 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 5: with immense gratitude and gratefulness and I'm still talking about 766 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 5: it today and I will continue to do that as well. 767 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 5: All of my friends, like we just adore the show 768 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 5: and I don't think that's ever going to ever going 769 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 5: to change anytime soon. So thank you so much for 770 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,479 Speaker 5: asking me on and also thank you for just doing 771 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 5: this in general, because I know as a fan, I 772 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 5: think it's well needed and it's it's such a beautiful 773 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 5: like exercise and like kind of talking your truth and 774 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 5: stuff like that. So yeah, thank you. 775 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 2: You're yeh jem Yeah sweet sweet, I just thank you. 776 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: You're a playwright, yes, yeah, I can't imagine the things 777 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 2: you write because you speak. Yeah, if it makes you, 778 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: it makes anyone feel any better. 779 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 5: Lee is the only thing in the world I can 780 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 5: talk about like I'm like, bitch, don't ask me about taxes. 781 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, like, well no, yeah, who knows, that's about that. 782 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thank you so. 783 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: Much, so much speaking with you so much. 784 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 5: Bye. 785 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, what. 786 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 4: A sweet sweet I feel moved, you know, just like 787 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 4: sit back in your chair a little bit when you 788 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 4: talk to people like that who just have these like 789 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 4: really intentional, thoughtful questions. 790 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I have said thoughtful 791 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: in this episode, but. 792 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 2: I think Connor, if you're still listening, I don't know 793 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 2: if you thought to pursue journalism or being a host 794 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 2: of some sort in your professional life. But I know 795 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 2: you said it's only because you know so much about 796 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 2: Glee that you can talk like this. I don't think 797 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 2: that's true, because you're brilliant. You really sat and watched 798 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 2: somebody who was really good at the job, and this 799 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: is not what you do professionally, and and like we've 800 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 2: been interviewed a bunch of times by a lot of 801 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 2: people interview and you're excellent. 802 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: At this, like this is and he was on our podcast. 803 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just need to be your cheerleader for 804 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 2: a hot second and be like, maybe you need to 805 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,439 Speaker 2: think about this and a more in like a serious way, 806 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 2: because you're very good and it was an honor to 807 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 2: be interviewed by you. You had incredible questions, you were 808 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 2: engaged in listening. Listen like I'm taking notes. I will 809 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: be applying them to our future interviews. Wow, I just 810 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 2: you know good, Yeah, I know if you know you 811 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 2: know yeah, Like we were in the presence of somebody 812 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 2: who was excellent at what they do. 813 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 814 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 2: And it felt like that and felt nice to share 815 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 2: it with you. 816 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 4: Thank you Connor to come for coming on and showing 817 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 4: your don We really appreciate it. 818 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: Hope you all enjoyed it. We're going to have some 819 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: more fans in the future, so come back. That's what 820 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 2: you really miss see ye thanks for listening and follow 821 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 2: us on Instagram at and that's what you really miss 822 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: pod and make sure to write us a review and 823 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 2: leave us five stars. See you next time.