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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 3: we welcome you to October thirteenth. If you're hearing this

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Speaker 3: the day it comes out, we are recording on October eighth.

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Speaker 3: This catches us mid way or on the very cusp

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Speaker 3: of exploring the high ices. As we've mentioned in the past.

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Speaker 3: We're all excited. We spend some time off air kind

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Speaker 3: of just bonding together over some stuff. I made a

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Speaker 3: pretentious poetry reference, obviously, And guys, how are we feeling

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Speaker 3: before we get into the news here?

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Speaker 2: Beaten down by the world and it's happenings.

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Speaker 4: I feel gently massaged by the world and it's happenings.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, well, I mean, you go on the

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Speaker 2: front page of well, the front page, the homepage of

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Speaker 2: the Guardian, and you just see the global conflict that's

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Speaker 2: happening right now, and you see the number, like you

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Speaker 2: see the numbers of people being killed daily in these conflicts,

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Speaker 2: and it just that feeling that there's nothing you can

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Speaker 2: actually do about any of that stuff, that it's that

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Speaker 2: it's that malaizing. It's still got a hold of me, man.

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Speaker 2: And then just watching what's happening here on the home front,

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Speaker 2: just trying so hard to stay positive. Dude, are you

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Speaker 2: guys doing anything to keep positive?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm wearing a silly hat.

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Speaker 4: That's all. Sometimes that's all it takes. Sometimes you just

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Speaker 4: got to walk with a little pep in your step,

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Speaker 4: wear a silly hat, do a downward facing dog in

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Speaker 4: the street. You know, I don't know, man.

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Speaker 2: Well, then you have to come to terms with the

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Speaker 2: fact that you're just kind of being I don't know. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: But no, I hear you. Yeah, and no, no, I

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Speaker 3: hear you. And I'm listening. The issue you're describing is

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Speaker 3: universal because at this point in time, as we've discussed earlier,

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Speaker 3: the idea of normalcy is insidious, right, and it is

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Speaker 3: also ephemeral, and people look around and often feel gas

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Speaker 3: only one. This is a universal thing. They're very very

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Speaker 4: Notes, that's true. I envy those people, but also also

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Speaker 4: not It is a gift to be able to explore

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Speaker 4: some of the stuff with people who you love and

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Speaker 4: people who you share perspective with, and that obviously includes

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Speaker 4: the two of you as far as I'm concerned, and

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Speaker 4: all of you in the audience.

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Speaker 3: And thank you so much for joining us, folks. We

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Speaker 3: couldn't be more pleased that you are here. We also

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Speaker 3: always have to thank our super producer Tennessee for putting

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Speaker 3: up with our shenanigans. And I got to tell you, you know,

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Speaker 3: we predicted in our previous Strange News air traffic controllers.

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Speaker 3: The US government is currently in a shutdown. My silly

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't. It makes sense though.

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Speaker 2: You gotta work six days in a row, you know,

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Speaker 2: Guys, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: There was a airport out west in the United States.

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Speaker 3: this way. Have you ever wanted your face on money,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, like Jay z or like Ben Bucks

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Speaker 3: It was it's still hey, very active in my parents'

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Speaker 4: You just Ben, and I think none of us probably

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Speaker 4: fully understand the megalomania of wanting to have your face

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Speaker 4: appear on legal tender well whilst still living.

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Speaker 3: Ah, that's a perfect setup. All right, we're going to

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Speaker 3: an ad break and we have returned. Our breaking news

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Speaker 3: right now is coming from a tweet, which we're still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what happens when you erase a truth.

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Speaker 4: It says this truth does not exist anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, that's our old Pentagon line, right, We mentioned

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Speaker 3: that earlier. We don't lie. The truth changes. All right.

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Speaker 3: This is from the US Treasurer, Brandon Beach. We're going

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Speaker 3: to read it to you verbatim. No fake news here.

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Speaker 3: These first drafts honoring America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 3: Go Team and potus are real looking forward to sharing

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Speaker 3: more soon once the obstructionist shutdown of the United States

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Speaker 3: a thing from Steve Guests that says, attention, all patriots,

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Speaker 3: America is back, and so is the one dollar coin.

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Speaker 3: Potis or he tags potis and tags real. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: will forever be the face of America's two hundred and

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Speaker 3: fiftieth birthday thanks to sex Scott Besant and at Treasurer Beach.

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Speaker 3: Let's describe this coin. It says in God We Trust

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Speaker 4: Hitchcock's presents ESK I have to point out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to make. And it

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Speaker 3: do that. You know, it's just a good pose.

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Speaker 4: What's that iconic image from when that dude shot him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it has on the bottom arc of it

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Speaker 4: He said while pumping his fist in that mid right.

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Speaker 3: this has not happened yet. There are one dollar coins

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Speaker 3: like non consensually getting memorabilia or collector's items, because where

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Speaker 3: a recent listener mail program. This reminds us of the

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Speaker 3: conversation we had about Mount Rushmore. We had our trustee

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Speaker 3: Minnesota officer, longtime conspiracy realist write in and tell us

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Speaker 3: former or current, regardless of political party, be on the currency.

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Speaker 3: We've got to tell you a little bit of a story.

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Speaker 3: This is how, this is why it is technically illegal, Dylan,

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Speaker 3: Can we get a little bit of like an innocuous

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Speaker 3: history channel music, you know, yeah, like the kids are

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Speaker 3: learning the substitute teachers there perfect, Here we go. Once

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Speaker 3: upon a time there was a fellow named Spencer Morton.

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Speaker 4: That's two fifty right, Yeah, it's just.

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Speaker 4: So commemorative coins that I don't really see them advertised

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Speaker 4: Well, can we also just add that this is another

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Speaker 2: It's weird. It is weird, but we don't have to

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Speaker 2: Just something something about three men of the exact same age,

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Speaker 4: I'm cool with that. I know you don't thanks God

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Speaker 4: This is unusual but not unheard. But all these dudes

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Speaker 5: Have you ever the PNY. We there will never be

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a rude of big guy I could get behind.

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Speaker 2: And returned. I wonder if there's anybody listening that doesn't

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Speaker 3: Reference from Half Baked, the cinematic masterpiece Half Baked. They're

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and knowing that it's Sir Jonathan Stewart, John Stewart,

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Speaker 4: Stewart, Yeah, the same scene. Half Baked is also very

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Speaker 4: John Sewart said that as well. I believe that's John

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's the guy who, oh gosh he played.

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Speaker 4: Toes they're sucking for weed?

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Speaker 3: Half Baked was always well. The point of the bit.

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Speaker 4: Though, is that one would never suck toes for weed.

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Speaker 4: It's too innocuous for that. He was doing the hard stuff.

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Speaker 4: That's what makes you suck.

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Speaker 3: Because before he went to Ridya, Dave Chappelle's character in

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Speaker 3: Half Baked tried to go to a drug addiction meeting

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Speaker 3: and people didn't respect him because he said he was

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Speaker 3: addicted to cannabis. Anyway, did he go railed this?

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Speaker 2: Did he go do that thing? He did?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a big part of it. He said

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Speaker 3: he had more free speech in Saudi Arabia than he

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Speaker 3: did in the United States. I don't want to re

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Speaker 3: litigate this because talked about it on Daily Zeite guys.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah, well you're not re litigating it here.

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Speaker 3: True. But yes, yes, Matt, he did go. Bill Burr

450
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Speaker 3: also went, which was a bummer to a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: And then a lot of other folks stood their ground

452
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Speaker 3: and a lot of other folks didn't.

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Speaker 4: Friend of the podcast Suko is the one who released

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Speaker 4: the contract that showed all of the censorship aspects of

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Speaker 4: what was to be expected of performers at this event.

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Speaker 2: So we're saying it's a bad thing that people went

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Speaker 2: to Saudi Arabia and did comedy.

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Speaker 3: I like this setup here. We do need to remember

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about one distinct country in a region,

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Speaker 3: and I think this is an excellent setup for a

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Speaker 3: story that we've all been tracking about. A ginormously inconvenient

462
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Speaker 3: gift and aviation gift yes from our buddies a while back.

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Speaker 3: Over in the Middle Eastern region, there is a relatively

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Speaker 3: small peninsular country that has made enormous geopolitical impact and

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Speaker 3: it's currently moving or the aspiration is for it to

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Speaker 3: become the Switzerland of the Middle East.

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Speaker 4: We know those folks.

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Speaker 2: Oh, are you talking about Qatar?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, kind cool?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well thanks for setting it up, Ben, Let's jump

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Speaker 2: to Qatar, where, guys it's really exciting. The US President

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Speaker 2: signed an executive order vowing to use all measures, including

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Speaker 2: US military action, to defend the energy rich nation of Qatar,

475
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Speaker 2: although it remains to be seen what that exactly means,

476
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Speaker 2: because only one thing has happened. This is coming to

477
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Speaker 2: us from AP News. You can look up US President

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Speaker 2: signs an executive order vowing to defend Qatar in the

479
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Speaker 2: wake of Israel's strike. This was posted on October first

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Speaker 2: of this year, twenty twenty five. A little while ago.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about other stuff. This kind of slipped

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Speaker 2: under the radar. Guys. It's really exciting. It means the

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Speaker 2: United States has a new solid ally like NATO style

484
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Speaker 2: contracted ally in Qatar. I guess that's it. Nothing else

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Speaker 2: to say about that. It's just exciting. We've got a

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Speaker 2: new friends are cool.

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Speaker 4: I guess I'm gonna twist back a little bit on

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Speaker 4: the NATO aspect.

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Speaker 3: We don't have to get in the weeds of it,

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Speaker 3: but they don't. You don't know the proof of the

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Speaker 3: putting until the rubber hits the road. Since I'm just

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Speaker 3: thrown around idioms in English, but Matt Noel Dylan folks

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Speaker 3: at home, I cannot, I cannot separate this from that

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Speaker 3: controversial and super inconvenient airplane sale.

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Speaker 4: I was about to say the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see little quid pro quo clarice sish.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm having a little fun with this because

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Speaker 2: there is clear stuff going on here between individuals and

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Speaker 2: not countries, and that is why this is really upsetting

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Speaker 2: and the reason why I use the NATO reference. There

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Speaker 2: the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is because the contract, the

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Speaker 2: language within the contract is eerily similar to the NATO contract,

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Speaker 2: and you can find quotes from the treaty all over

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Speaker 2: the place. There's an official press release that was put

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Speaker 2: out by the White House. You can look at CNN's

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Speaker 2: reporting why the president's pledge to defend Qatar is so extraordinary,

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Speaker 2: and here's some quotations. Quote in the event of such

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Speaker 2: an attack, the United States shall take all lawful and

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Speaker 2: appropriate measures, including diplomatic, economic, and, if necessary, military, to

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Speaker 2: defend the interests of the United States and the State

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Speaker 2: of Qatar to restore peace and stability. And that language

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Speaker 2: closely resembles the security guarantee that the that NATO gives

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Speaker 2: its member country.

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Speaker 4: Isn't Trump like on the regular pissing off NATO and

515
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Speaker 4: bad mouthing NATO and kind of anti NATO. Is he

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Speaker 4: trying to start his own NATO esque arrangement, sorting a

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Speaker 4: new evil empire. I mean, I'm sorry, I know, maybe

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Speaker 4: that's maybe that's hyperbolic, but you know what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying, building bilateral relations and then from there growing connective

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Speaker 3: tissue to other places in the region. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: the textbook stuff, and Cutter has been in unofficial trade

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Speaker 3: relations with Israel, for instance, since nineteen ninety six, when

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Speaker 3: Atlanta had a relatively okay Olympics fine other than a

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Speaker 3: couple of speed bumps along the way. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I keep going back to the concept of Cutter Cutter's

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Speaker 3: aspiration to be the Switzerland of the Middle East. This

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Speaker 3: is where negotiations happen. That's what they're aiming for, and

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Speaker 3: that's part of the calculus here.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think one of the primary differences in CNN

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Speaker 2: points this out is that when NATO is bringing in

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Speaker 2: a new member or something like that, it's a big

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Speaker 2: to do. Everybody has to decide, everybody has to vote

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Speaker 2: on that, there has to be a consensus.

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Speaker 3: Right, and there's a high standard of vetting for NATO membership.

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Speaker 2: So it's very difficult to become a new member of

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Speaker 2: NATO and have that kind of contract right that defensive

537
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Speaker 2: people will come to your aid if you need it.

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Speaker 2: In this case, it was done unilaterally with an executive

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Speaker 2: order by a sitting president, So it's one guy says, hey,

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Speaker 2: you get a NATO contract. Essentially with the United States.

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Speaker 2: If someone attacks you, they attack us right, So that

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Speaker 2: is just I don't know, it's worrisome. It's a it's

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Speaker 2: that flexing of power, and it's just these it seems

544
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Speaker 2: to be these continual tests to test right, is what

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Speaker 2: can happen?

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Speaker 4: Would it even hold? Like is it right? It doesn't

547
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Speaker 4: seem above board at all.

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Speaker 2: And Ben a congressional approval, and Ben, as you're stating,

549
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Speaker 2: and as everybody like who's reporting on this sees and knows,

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Speaker 2: and everybody I think at this point is aware because

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Speaker 2: you've got Jon Stewart's, you've got Jimmy Kimmel's, You've got

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Speaker 2: people out there commenting on things like the guitar plane. Right,

553
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Speaker 2: it's in the zeitgeis. People are aware of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And it is very strange that there is personal gift

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Speaker 2: giving happening with the person, the individual who decided to

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Speaker 2: put forth this declaration. It just makes you wonder what

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Speaker 2: else is going on, And it makes you wonder is

558
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Speaker 2: it that easy? You know, to gain like that level

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Speaker 2: of favor with somebody, I don't know, freaks me out.

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Speaker 3: You guys, I've got opinions. Maybe we could talk about

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Speaker 3: them once we get into international waters.

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Speaker 4: Okay, just goes to show you how little checks and

563
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Speaker 4: balances actually do anything, you know, if there are evenity

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Speaker 4: that apply to this. Again, it's all about folks just

565
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Speaker 4: blatantly flouting tradition, and it shows how much of what

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Speaker 4: we've done to see and expects, you know, from a

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Speaker 4: government is based on just that, like good manners and tradition.

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Speaker 3: My favorite part of the EO, if you go the

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Speaker 3: primary statement of it from White House Doc dov is

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Speaker 3: the very last provision, which says the cost for publication

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Speaker 3: of this Order shall be borne by the Department of State.

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Speaker 3: So also, we're not paying for printing this. It's really weird.

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Speaker 3: Nothing to see here. There is no whistle like a

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Speaker 3: graveyard whistle. There is no humor like gallows humor. A

575
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: lot of stuff is in the mix. Those smoky backrooms

576
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Speaker 3: are real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they are. So we talked about the relationship between

578
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Speaker 2: one man and an entire country. Let's talk about the

579
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Speaker 2: relationship between one corporation and one country. Let's jump to

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Speaker 2: a story we talked about a little while ago regarding

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Speaker 2: Microsoft's Asure systems, the giant storage repositories of data that

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Speaker 2: Microsoft keeps and allows you the user, or you the country,

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Speaker 2: or you the Defense Force to use if you pay,

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Speaker 2: if you pay real good, they'll let you use those

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Speaker 2: and you can gather mass amounts of data and store

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Speaker 2: them on their servers. Well, a little update from the Guardian,

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Speaker 2: who we referenced a couple of weeks ago when we

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Speaker 2: talked about this story here. It is Microsoft Israel's use

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Speaker 2: of its technology and mass surveillance of Palestinians. You guys

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Speaker 2: recall this thing that we talked about where Israel's defense

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Speaker 2: forces and a specific unit within that defense force, Unit

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Speaker 2: eighty two hundred, was performing. At least according to an

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Speaker 2: investigation by the Guardian and several other outlets in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, they were engaging in mass surveillance of all

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Speaker 2: of the Palestinians in the West Bank, as well as

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Speaker 2: every single person existing in and around Gaza. And not

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Speaker 2: only were they keeping the information about phone calls, they

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Speaker 2: were keeping the actual audio of phone calls, keeping them

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Speaker 2: for a certain amount of time to be analyzed by

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Speaker 2: an AI system, and then using that to do all

601
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Speaker 2: sorts of things. Allegedly, according to this investigation, they were

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Speaker 2: using the contents of those calls to target people for

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Speaker 2: strikes within Gaza during in this ongoing conflict that they've

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Speaker 2: got going on, where tens of thousands of human beings

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Speaker 2: have been killed all.

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Speaker 3: Right, right and continue to die, especially with the movement

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Speaker 3: orders imposed by by the governments. We I think we've

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Speaker 3: all had eyes on this issue. One of the things

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Speaker 3: you have to know, regardless of how you feel in

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Speaker 3: the area. And we've got a lot of Israeli conspiracy

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Speaker 3: realists in the crowd tonight. Remember that surveillance may start

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Speaker 3: in one place, but it always ultimately applies to everyone.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let's talk about that. Allegedly, the reason why

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Speaker 2: this Microsoft Azure server system that was kept in the Netherlands,

615
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Speaker 2: that's where the actual data center is, was allowed to

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Speaker 2: be used by Israeli's military was to attempt to find

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Speaker 2: hostages that were taken on October seventh, right on that attack.

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Speaker 2: That is why, that's why that relationship with that specific

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Speaker 2: service was made to collect a ton of information on

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Speaker 2: people who were suspected of possibly holding hostages or being

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Speaker 2: a part of the ring, the network that was keeping

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Speaker 2: those hostages. But then it appears, at least according to

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Speaker 2: the investigation, that that spread out into basically monitoring everybody

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Speaker 2: in the West Bank, spread out into everybody in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump to this new report from the Guardian. It

626
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Speaker 2: says Microsoft told Israeli officials late last week. Again, this

627
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Speaker 2: is on September twenty fifth, so you got to go

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Speaker 2: back in time. But that Unit eighty two hundred, the

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Speaker 2: military's elite spy agency, had violated the company's terms of

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Speaker 2: service by storing the vastrove of surveillance data in its

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Speaker 2: Azure cloud program, and it continues. According to several sources,

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Speaker 2: this enormous repository of intercepted calls which amounted to as

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Speaker 2: much as eight thousand terabytes of data. Eight thousand terabytes,

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Speaker 2: you guys. It was held at a data center in

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Speaker 2: the Netherlands, and within days of the Guardian publishing the

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Speaker 2: investigation when we were talking about it, because I think

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Speaker 2: we reported it on it like immediately after it came out,

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Speaker 2: Unit eighty two hundred appears to have moved the surveillance

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Speaker 2: data out of the country and is actually it appears

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Speaker 2: that they're now going to use Amazon Web Services in

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Speaker 2: the cloud platform there to start all of that data.

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Speaker 3: And for all of us playing along at home, Unit

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Speaker 3: eighty two hundred, if you're not aware, is think of

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Speaker 3: it like Israel's an essay.

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Speaker 2: Yes, precisely, precisely, and remember what the NSA did and does.

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Speaker 2: Remember that whole thing. A couple of whistleblowers might spark

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Speaker 2: couple things in your mind right here, you know.

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Speaker 4: Whistle like a whistleblower. Whistle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This, from what we understand Microsoft's move is. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's financially motivated or ideologically motivated, but

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Speaker 3: it seems like there was a lot of pressure from

652
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Speaker 3: their investors and from employees. Yeah. Yeah, invest So it

653
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Speaker 3: wasn't like a I'm saying, it wasn't like a hard

654
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Speaker 3: limit on data storage or something. They didn't say the

655
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Speaker 3: deal was too expensive.

656
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Speaker 2: No, No, there were alarm bells going off of for

657
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Speaker 2: several investigators and employees and people who were paying attention.

658
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: Years ago, there was another investigation, I think twenty twenty

659
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Speaker 2: one that was looking at how the State of Israel

660
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Speaker 2: was using these Microsoft services and their allegations going around.

661
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Speaker 2: There was an internal investigation by Microsoft, and they came

662
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Speaker 2: away saying, hey, we haven't seen any evidence in our

663
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Speaker 2: investigations that the country, or the Ministry of Defense or

664
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Speaker 2: any of these groups are using our services in a

665
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Speaker 2: way that would violate those terms of service, right only

666
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Speaker 2: now under all this pressure, as you said, from employees, investors,

667
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Speaker 2: a lot of ruckists being made about this going on,

668
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Speaker 2: because you know, there was a United Nations Commission of

669
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Speaker 2: Inquiry and they're saying that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza.

670
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Speaker 3: It's like not, oh wow, another strongly worded letter from

671
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Speaker 3: the UN.

672
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: Yes, But when the world, or at least you know,

673
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Speaker 2: a key organization in the world says something like that

674
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Speaker 2: out loud, it may change the calculus for a giant

675
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Speaker 2: corporation like Microsoft.

676
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: Right, the money moves.

677
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Speaker 2: So all of this is happening. It is weird to

678
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Speaker 2: think that it's been a three year period where Israel's

679
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Speaker 2: intelligence arm has been operating the surveillance program there in Gaza.

680
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Speaker 3: Sure, and that's just the beginning of the mass surveillance

681
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Speaker 3: as well. You know, there was an excellent, excellent interview

682
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Speaker 3: I saw recently from our pal friend of the show,

683
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Speaker 3: Jake Hanrahan talking about UK surveillance state aspects and this

684
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Speaker 3: we have to understand that surveillance, invasive, pervasive surveillance is

685
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Speaker 3: the world norm. Now, It's going to happen in times

686
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Speaker 3: of swords or plowshares. In this case, the ongoing conflict

687
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Speaker 3: in Gaza and Israel is like it is going to

688
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Speaker 3: historically be a textbook example of how surveillance can be weaponized.

689
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Speaker 3: That's just the truth.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You can go to Al Jazeera. You can find

691
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Speaker 2: an interesting article titled why has Microsoft cut Israel off

692
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Speaker 2: from some of its services? And if you go through here,

693
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: you're going to discover a couple of different apps and

694
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Speaker 2: databases that I think we may have mentioned once, maybe twice,

695
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Speaker 2: but I don't know how much I'm gonna mention those

696
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Speaker 2: in a second. But the rumors, and I would say

697
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Speaker 2: theories that have been floating around for a long time,

698
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Speaker 2: the concept that human beings living in Gaza have been

699
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Speaker 2: essentially it's been the test space for specific technology like Pegasus.

700
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Speaker 2: Remember that software of Pegasus? Yes, so the contact, Yes,

701
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Speaker 2: we did.

702
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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: The concept is that a new software is developed and

704
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Speaker 2: then you've got a group of human beings that you're

705
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Speaker 2: going to test that software on that and if it

706
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Speaker 2: works well, you're going to use it on journalists, political members,

707
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Speaker 2: enemies of the state, activists, anybody.

708
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Speaker 3: And then citizens, yes, anybody. And then what's that multiple

709
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Speaker 3: choice format? E all of the above.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, well so there's that concept, right. Then

711
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Speaker 2: You've also got this thing called red Wolf that you

712
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Speaker 2: guys I had never heard of before. I don't think

713
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: this is the facial recognition program that is happening in

714
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Speaker 2: several places that the State of Israel is using to

715
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Speaker 2: keep an eye on Palestinians who go into places like Hebron, Hebron,

716
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Speaker 2: I don't know how to say it, East Jerusalem. They

717
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Speaker 2: use this to facially identify human beings so that they

718
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Speaker 2: can prevent those human beings from taking certain routes right,

719
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Speaker 2: certain roads, certain areas. You won't allow that person because

720
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Speaker 2: now they're on facial recognition, that person can't get in.

721
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Speaker 2: There's a whole other thing called Blue Wolf, which is

722
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Speaker 2: an app that pulls from this thing called the wolf

723
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Speaker 2: Pack Database, which is a huge database of human beings

724
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Speaker 2: Palace Indians, their addresses, their family members, their connections, all associates,

725
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff. It just it seems wrong,

726
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Speaker 2: It seems very strange, But again it's more complicated than

727
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: being right or wrong. It's a threat assessment situation. It's

728
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Speaker 2: just taken to an extent that is maybe beyond what

729
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Speaker 2: it was meant to be. That's all I've got. I

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Speaker 2: will end this now, we'll go to commercial, and.

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Speaker 4: We were turning with one final strange news segment for

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Speaker 4: today's episode. Got a bit of a two for for

733
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Speaker 4: y all an ai two for that also has a

734
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Speaker 4: lot to do with censorship and the way American films

735
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Speaker 4: play overseas, specifically in China. Have either of you seen

736
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Speaker 4: the Dave Franco Alison bree Body horror film together? I have, yes,

737
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Speaker 4: I have not seen it. It's up my Alley Cronenberg.

738
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Speaker 4: I really love the substance. People are comparing it to that,

739
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Speaker 4: So for anyone listening that hasn't seen it, it's about

740
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Speaker 4: a couple that's struggling their marriage. They go for a

741
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Speaker 4: bit of a getaway to the country and then end

742
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Speaker 4: up running a foul. I suppose of this force that

743
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Speaker 4: essentially causes their bodies to fuse together in length these

744
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Speaker 4: horrific kind of ways. It might seem like a bit

745
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 4: of a heavy handed metaphor for you know, what happens

746
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Speaker 4: in relationships and sort of toxic codependency and all that,

747
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Speaker 4: but apparently it's quite good. So I can't speak to that.

748
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Speaker 4: What I can speak to is how the film has

749
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Speaker 4: been treated in mainland China, and Ben, I think you'll

750
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Speaker 4: particularly find this interesting. AI censorship of horror film together

751
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Speaker 4: raises new fears for a future of Chinese LGBTQ films.

752
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Speaker 4: Say it right up front here, being gay is not

753
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Speaker 4: outlawed anymore in this part of the world. However, it

754
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Speaker 4: is still very much frowned upon. Maybe Ben, can you

755
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Speaker 4: speak a little more to the detail of the cultural

756
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Speaker 4: attitude towards queerness in this part of the world. Uh, sure,

757
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Speaker 4: not as which may very much differ from the government attitude.

758
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Speaker 4: I know it's much much more accepted in terms of

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Speaker 4: the general population.

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Speaker 3: Well, we have to remember, going to the earlier story

761
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Speaker 3: we discussed in this segment, the government is never the

762
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Speaker 3: people unfortunately, right, So you know, when when elephants make

763
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Speaker 3: war the grass, it's the grass that suffers. That proverb

764
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Speaker 3: remains true. But to your point, here in East Asia

765
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Speaker 3: is typically going to be what the West would consider

766
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Speaker 3: culturally conservative in quite a few ways, and in China

767
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Speaker 3: in particular, you can see things where a law exists, right,

768
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Speaker 3: or a guarantee of a certain level of accommodation or respect,

769
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Speaker 3: or just acknowledgment of your existence but culturally it will

770
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Speaker 3: be very damaged for you to in practice live in

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Speaker 3: that place.

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Speaker 4: To live that truth. And I appreciate that, Ben, that's

773
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Speaker 4: excellent perspective. So I'm just going to read from the

774
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Speaker 4: South China Morning Post, which is you say, Ben, did

775
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Speaker 4: you say off air that this is a state sponsored media? Oh? Yeah,

776
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: well I don't know. This is this article here? I

777
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: guess this is an editorial. It would appear to be

778
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 4: not particularly pro state. So that's fascinating. Let's do read

779
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Speaker 4: from this and then we'll look at a couple of

780
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Speaker 4: other sources as well. We've got several here, so this

781
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Speaker 4: is reading, you know, let's take this one with a

782
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 4: grain of salt, but just by Meredith chan here. When

783
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Speaker 4: the horror film Together reached Chinese cinemas in mid September,

784
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Speaker 4: a scene featuring a same sex wedding did not survive intact.

785
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Speaker 4: One of the two men's faces was digitally altered to

786
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Speaker 4: turn him into a woman. Although film censorship is nothing

787
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Speaker 4: new in China, this incident sugared a fierce backlash and

788
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Speaker 4: calls for a boycott, both for the attempts to erase

789
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Speaker 4: LGBTQ identity and allegations that artificial intelligence had been used

790
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Speaker 4: to make the change. This was done by the distributors

791
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Speaker 4: of the film without the permission of the studio behind

792
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Speaker 4: the film, Neon Films. Neon is fighting this and have

793
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Speaker 4: called for it to be removed, and I believe the

794
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: latest news is that the film has been entirely removed

795
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Speaker 4: from Chinese market. Though it's been a while since this

796
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: movie was in theaters. So I just want to keep

797
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 4: reading from this because it's interesting considering what you said. Ben.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait before we dive in real quick, just to

799
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Speaker 3: clarify here, because I know I may have ruffled some

800
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Speaker 3: feathers accusing SEMP of being state sponsored. They're based in

801
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Speaker 3: Hong Kong, but I will call them controlled opposition. Their

802
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: website is often blocked by the Great Firewall, but their

803
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: parent company is Ali Baba, which is Chinese based in

804
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Speaker 3: Super Deep with Uncle gh. So that's why that's the

805
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Speaker 3: context that matters. That's why I'm saying state supported, controlled opposition.

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Speaker 4: Completely appreciate that, Ben, and you're definitely more in tune

807
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 4: to a lot of these things in me, so I

808
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: do appreciate the context. I'm going to keep reading from

809
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Speaker 4: this source. Homosexuality was decriminalized and ceased to be classified

810
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 4: as a mental disorder more than two decades ago, but

811
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Speaker 4: LGBTQ communities are often stigmatized and have come under increasing

812
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Speaker 4: pressure in recent years as the authorities intensify their efforts

813
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Speaker 4: to promote traditional family values and social conformity. A Chinese

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00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: film industry insider, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he

815
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Speaker 4: could confirm that AI had been used to edit the clip,

816
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Speaker 4: and he said, such use that sends a dangerous signal

817
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Speaker 4: and has profoundly troubling implications. And then it goes on

818
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Speaker 4: to talk about like the big picture of this in

819
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Speaker 4: the hands of a regime or a state that has

820
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Speaker 4: this level of control over media and appears to be

821
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Speaker 4: doing things to alter works of art and works of

822
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Speaker 4: fiction created by others to suit their ideology, this idea

823
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Speaker 4: of making Broke Back Mountain the straight movie, or you know,

824
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Speaker 4: like removing themes, entire themes and having you know, larger,

825
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Speaker 4: bigger picture erasure, you know, taking place an entire cinematic cannon.

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's an extreme example, that was one that I saw,

827
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Speaker 4: but it's certainly there is. It is kind of a

828
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Speaker 4: slippery slope situation where if you use it to remove

829
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Speaker 4: one scene. What happens when people start using AI as

830
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 4: it gets better and better, to completely alter the way

831
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Speaker 4: films are perceived in certain parts of the world, therefore

832
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Speaker 4: shaping them to a certain type of propagandistic ideology.

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Speaker 3: That's a great Yeah, that's a great point. We talked

834
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Speaker 3: to We kind of te leave this a few years

835
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Speaker 3: ago when we predicted that there's a world in which, eventually,

836
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: and we're on the cusp of it now, you can

837
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Speaker 3: just take an existing film program your own changes, or

838
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: ask a thing to do the work for you, and

839
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: it'll spit out whatever you want, right. You know, you

840
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: won't need to cast actors, even you won't need to

841
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: write a story. And I remember our earlier episode about

842
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: the control that the Chinese market has just economically in

843
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: studios and Nola had I don't know about you, Matt,

844
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Speaker 3: but I hadn't heard about this particular instance. It is disappointing,

845
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Speaker 3: yet it is unsurprising because of what we've seen earlier

846
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Speaker 3: with the tight controls around the portrayal of ghost or

847
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: the Statue of Liberty, and how those things had to

848
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Speaker 3: get cut out of Ghostbusters, which would be a very

849
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: confusing movie because then it's just four guys in sick

850
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Speaker 3: jumpsuits running around in a station wagon.

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Speaker 4: Totally. And I actually I just want to read this

852
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Speaker 4: quote that I was sort of referencing the Brokeback Mountain thing,

853
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Speaker 4: which actually came from some chatter on the Chinese equivalent

854
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Speaker 4: of the Internet movie database. It is called Dubon, and

855
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: so this is actually coming from an independent article on Duban.

856
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: The Chinese bool of IMDb viewers said they were alarmed

857
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Speaker 4: at the digital alterations. One user had this to say,

858
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Speaker 4: the evolution of using AI to directly swap face is

859
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Speaker 4: truly terrifying. In the future, we won't even know we're

860
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Speaker 4: watching the original film. We can re release Brokeback Mountain,

861
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Speaker 4: God's own country, land you and Happy Together and use

862
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: AI to remake them into heterosexual romances with just one click.

863
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Speaker 4: That's faster and better than taking Chinese medicine. They say,

864
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Speaker 4: we're so beautiful here, we have hope obviously dripping in

865
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Speaker 4: sarcasm there, and these are you know, from folks within

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Speaker 4: the country, so interesting stuff. There was a previous example,

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Speaker 4: I think the most well known was removing some gay

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Speaker 4: overtones or some gay themes from the biopic on Freddie Mercury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. I hadn't seen that version. Actually, I

870
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Speaker 3: haven't seen that biopic at all, but it must be.

871
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Speaker 3: It must be a wild ride to look at them.

872
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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's funny you've been though, because that movie

873
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Speaker 4: got a lot of blowback because it already downplayed a

874
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Speaker 4: lot of Freddie Mercury's.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking. I'm also wondering about the moment

876
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Speaker 3: where if you fly internationally, the film's changed depending on

877
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Speaker 3: the airline. So before you get over the date line

878
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Speaker 3: into the international waters, do you get a little pop

879
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 3: up notification of the screen that says, now you can

880
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Speaker 3: watch the American version.

881
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Speaker 4: I think it must just be the flight path, or

882
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 4: maybe just the airline, because I remember when we were

883
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: on the Qatari Airlines flights there was some very interesting

884
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 4: censorship that was going on in some of the films, like.

885
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: Words like the booty juice.

886
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, crass words were removed, and then some other like

887
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 4: the F word was fine, but the more crass word

888
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: for lady parts was censored.

889
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the P word. You know, this is a I

890
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: found the episode that this calls back to in twenty

891
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: twenty two. You guys, we did an episode called censorship

892
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: in China, and it is continuing. And now to your point, Nol,

893
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: the new technology or the democratization economy of scale of

894
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: AI technology has just further empowered this not just in China,

895
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Speaker 3: but indeed throughout other authoritative regimes around the world. And

896
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Speaker 3: with this, I got to ask you, guys, I mean, Matt,

897
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: you know a little quiet on this one. What kind

898
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Speaker 3: of edits would we do to our favorite movies? None?

899
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Speaker 4: I think it's gross, And we're going to get to

900
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 4: a perspective on that. Yeah, I see. I get where

901
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: you're getting that bit, I really do. But where I

902
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: kind of draw the line with the AI stuff is

903
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 4: when you really start altering works great works of art,

904
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 4: you know, like I had a problem with the whole

905
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 4: sphere thing with the Wizard of Oz using a doll. Wars, Yeah,

906
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: you know, Star Wars are sort of George Lucas doing

907
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 4: his thing, waving his magic wand not really understanding maybe

908
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: what made the movies good in the first place. But

909
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: to have just any Joe Schmo be able to remake

910
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 4: The Godfather, it just it really upsets me. What you're

911
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: a centiphile, you're an editor, Like, is this is this

912
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: a tool that has a U? Is it all just

913
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: bad news and slop?

914
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Speaker 3: Like?

915
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 4: What are we? What are you thinking?

916
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 3: Well? Okay, so also I like films, tootal thing.

917
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Speaker 4: And if you do. Matt'ch just comes from a filmmaking

918
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Speaker 4: background and as a video editor, we all like films.

919
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Speaker 2: I don't mean to answer the question I wanted you

920
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: to ask, but I'm going to please give it a moment.

921
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Speaker 2: I've been looking at box office Mojo as we've been

922
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: talking about this, trying to make estimates of how much

923
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: of an impact would a film actually have to its

924
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: bottom line if it was not in China. So looking

925
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Speaker 2: at a couple of case studies, like a Minecraft movie,

926
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Speaker 2: which was like the smash hit of this year as

927
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: far as movie releases and worldwide grosses. Other than a

928
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: couple other specific films that were there's like one that

929
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Speaker 2: was we talked about it and I can't remember the

930
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: name of it. It's based in Chinese mythology. It was

931
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Speaker 2: like a movie made for Chinese audiences and then it

932
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Speaker 2: came worldwide to the US at all. No hot neat.

933
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Speaker 3: Oh oh oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.

934
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Speaker 4: Animated. You're talking about the animated film.

935
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Speaker 2: The animated film. Yeah, huge knee Naps.

936
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Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most popular.

937
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Speaker 4: Movies ever in the history of movies in terms of like, yeah.

938
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Speaker 3: In terms of butts and seas, Yes.

939
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Speaker 2: But a Minecraft movie made roughly one billion dollars less

940
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Speaker 2: than that, but still came in at nine hundred and

941
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Speaker 2: fifty seven point eight million dollars gross worldwide. So if

942
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Speaker 2: you look at the numbers, uh, China only represents twenty

943
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Speaker 2: nine million of those dollars, twenty nine million out of

944
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Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifty seven point eight million, which if

945
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Speaker 2: you imagine having to alter a huge movie a title

946
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Speaker 2: like that to get in that small percentage, like is

947
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 2: that worth it? Is that okay? And then you have

948
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Speaker 2: so then it's somebody at the top somewhere making the

949
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: decision at a distributor level. I suppose sure it's going

950
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Speaker 2: to be worth that extra twenty nine million to make

951
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Speaker 2: this change, not that they made changes in a Minecraft movie,

952
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: just using that as an example for proceeds.

953
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Speaker 3: Also going back to I'm looking at my research for

954
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: censorship in China episode, the US in particular, being such

955
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: an exporter of Western culture, took pains in twenty twelve

956
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: to negotiate with Ji Jimping before he became President of

957
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 3: China to expand the Chinese market for US films with

958
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: some really serious caveats. So to your point, Matt, people

959
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: knew money was on the line. I'm looking for. What

960
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: was their initialism is sarfed the Chinese, the Chinese authority

961
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: on censorship and what can or can't be allowed in

962
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Speaker 3: It's what we're saying, Oh, State Administration or Radio, Film

963
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: and Television obviously shout out Sarved. The issue is that

964
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Speaker 3: this viewership trend is increasing, especially amid the pandemic when

965
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 3: people were going to fewer and fewer films. And Noel,

966
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Speaker 3: I know you go to a lot of films, Matt,

967
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if you go into the theater or

968
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Speaker 3: how often do you guys go into the theater? Is

969
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 3: that okay to ask?

970
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 4: Of course, I like to I love I love, I

971
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 4: love a movie. I love seeing a movie on the

972
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Speaker 4: big screen. I just saw one one battle after another

973
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Speaker 4: twice in two different formats, so I definitely do it

974
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Speaker 4: when I can for sure.

975
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Speaker 2: The last movie I saw was a Minecraft movie, and

976
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: that hence why I looked it up as the example.

977
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Speaker 3: The first one, Yeah, that gave it by Dylan. What

978
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: about you do you guys go to go to the

979
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:27,720
Speaker 3: THEATA often?

980
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 5: I am a bit of a no. Actually I don't.

981
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 5: Twice a year more than going to see like box

982
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 5: office big hits from the year, I'll go see remasters,

983
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 5: you know, like the plaza.

984
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: Shout out the plaza, Shout out the plaza.

985
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 4: That's where I saw the seventy millimeter of one Battle

986
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 4: and it was really great to be able to see

987
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: it projected on film. I will say I found an

988
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: image pulled a screenshot from the film in question here

989
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 4: together and they just did a really awful job to it.

990
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: Just lets really whack and like early or something.

991
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 4: And just a dead eyed expression on the figure on

992
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 4: the character's face, though the one that's been turned female,

993
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 4: especially compared to the original, who's portraying much more emotion.

994
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 4: And the update is that the filmmaker, who's a Melbourne

995
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: based filmmaker, has officially pulled the film all together together

996
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 4: all together from Chinese markets, understandably, you know, taking a

997
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 4: financial hit, but making a bit of a stand in

998
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: favor of you know, not having this level of meddling.

999
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: Filmmaker Michael Shanks, he said to completely change the gender

1000
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: of a character, completely change something that's a representation of

1001
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 4: a queer relationship as well as making the plot make

1002
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 4: less sense, is just baffling. And if we're doing hot

1003
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: takes on this kind of thing, I do just want

1004
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 4: to pivot really quickly and end with a pretty incredible

1005
00:57:53,720 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 4: perspective from the daughter of incredible iconic Robin Williams, named

1006
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 4: Zelda Williams as we set off Air, named after Princess

1007
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 4: Zelda of the Legend of Zelda Games, because Williams was

1008
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: a huge fan of this franchise, and she apparently reached

1009
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 4: out on her social media accounts basically appealing to the

1010
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 4: humanity of fans of her father to stop sending me

1011
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 4: ai slop videos of my dad. Can we just take

1012
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: a second really quickly say who would why would anyone

1013
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: do that? First and foremost as a fan, it just

1014
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 4: seems like a troll move, like something you would want

1015
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 4: to do to upset somebody. I mean, but we'll get

1016
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 4: into what she says about it, But don't you guys

1017
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: think that's a little odd that people would do that

1018
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 4: thinking that it was a nice thing to do.

1019
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: It's not a little odd, it's Dunbar's number. They're not

1020
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: thinking of that person as a person.

1021
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, guys. I just had

1022
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: my first experience watching some of these Sora videos, and

1023
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 2: I have to tell you, I am kind of mad

1024
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: at myself because I got enthralled watching some of them.

1025
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 4: Most beautiful if they're done to make something that never existed,

1026
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 4: Like there's artists that I've seen that use them, that

1027
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 4: make some wonderful stuff, I'm cool with that. But to

1028
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: recreate an image of a person who is deceased and

1029
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 4: sends it to their living air, I mean yeah, not

1030
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: to mention all of these garbage. We've got a lot

1031
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 4: of big musicians pass recently, and we even saw Rod

1032
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 4: Stewart did like a really tasteless AI video at one

1033
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: of his concerts. Rod Stewart is not dead, He's alive,

1034
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 4: and this is his concert of like Ozzy Osbourne and

1035
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 4: Kurt Cobain hanging out in heaven.

1036
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Speaker 3: Did you guys hear about this?

1037
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: It it's unbelievable.

1038
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: It was non falcon the comment he made that most

1039
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 5: of them died from the drugs and then said, but

1040
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 5: look at me, I'm still here.

1041
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: So seizing him also just old man screaming at clouds,

1042
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 4: who doesn't understand what this AI stuff represents.

1043
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: So well, So here's my perspective. The reason why I

1044
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: liked it, it's because I saw the first one I

1045
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: saw was inner hating and fun, and it reminded me

1046
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: of that feeling, that horrible feeling I know from just

1047
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: scrolling through Instagram reels where I get sucked in. I'm like, oh,

1048
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: what's that? What's this? And it was when it was

1049
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 2: a moment that mister Rogers face popped up on the

1050
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: screen and he said, Hi, I'm mister Rogers, Welcome to Jackass.

1051
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 2: And then he went down and did an awesome trick

1052
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: into some water and then popped out and was like, hey,

1053
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: it was It was genuinely fun. It was not hurting

1054
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: anybody that was in the moment. But does that make sense?

1055
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't mean spirited. It was silly and fun and

1056
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: I get.

1057
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: Scratched you behind the ears of the dopamine. It gives

1058
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 3: you the nostalgia in two ways what bo Burnham calls

1059
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: a little exhale out of your nose. Yes, this is

1060
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much beautiful, fascinating science of psychology

1061
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: behind why these things work. Your body, well, your brain,

1062
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: your mission is built to love them. It knows exactly

1063
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: what it's like a key in a lock. Right, we're

1064
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 3: building better keys because we've learned more about the human loss.

1065
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 4: And Matt, I think you're speaking from the perspective of

1066
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 4: almost yourself as a test subject, where you're describing how

1067
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 4: this hits you and how it triggers those things, but

1068
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 4: you also have qualms about the bigger picture of all

1069
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 2: Just Oh, I absolutely hate it, but I get you

1071
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: get it a fun tool. Yeah right, I understand that,

1072
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: and I but it. That understanding I think will make

1073
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: you fully understand the danger it represents.

1074
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 4: Well, let me just read Zelda's perspective here, because it's

1075
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 4: really fantastic and spot on and one of the better

1076
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 4: rants I've seen in a hot minute. And I'm using

1077
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: that term as a as a positive because she's pissed off.

1078
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 4: Please stop sending the AI videos of Dad she posted

1079
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 4: on her Instagram stories. Stop believing I want to see it,

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Speaker 4: or that I'll understand. I don't and I won't if

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Speaker 4: you're just trying to troll me. I've seen way worse.

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Speaker 4: I'll restraint and move on, But please if you've got

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Speaker 4: any decency, just stop doing this to him, and to me,

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 4: to everyone, even full stop. It's dumb. It's a waste

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Speaker 4: of time and energy, and believe me, it's not what

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Speaker 4: he'd have wanted. She continues to watch the legacies of

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Speaker 4: real people be condensed down to this vaguely looks and

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Speaker 4: sounds like them. So that's enough, Just so other people

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Speaker 4: can churn out horrible TikTok slop. Puppeteering them is maddening.

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Speaker 4: You're not making art. You're making disgusting, overprocessed hot dogs

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Speaker 4: out of the lives of human beings, out of the

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Speaker 4: history of art and music, and then shoving them down

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Speaker 4: someone else's throat, hoping they'll give you a little thumbs

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Speaker 4: up and like it. And for the love of everything,

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Speaker 4: stop calling it the future. AI is just badly recycling

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Speaker 4: and regurgitating the past to be reconsumed. You are taking

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Speaker 4: in the human centipede of content and from the very

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Speaker 4: very end of the line, all while the folks at

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Speaker 4: the front laugh and laugh, consume and consume.

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Speaker 2: Whoamthing take?

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Speaker 4: I had a hot fire right there, and I'm absolutely

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Speaker 4: in love with this human being. I marry me. Zelda Williams.

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Speaker 4: No lie blew me away because it's exactly mean. It's

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Speaker 4: just nailed it, and you can tell it's coming from

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Speaker 4: a place of genuine frustration. Zelda is also a filmmaker.

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Speaker 4: This also comes on the heels of this thing that

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Speaker 4: we haven't talked about. Have you guys heard about the

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Speaker 4: AI actor Tilly Norwood who's maybe getting signed by a

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Speaker 4: big talent agency.

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Speaker 2: I heard rumors. I didn't know it's potentially a thing.

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Speaker 4: It's this sag after has come out and said that

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Speaker 4: she's not an actor, that she's a character generated by

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Speaker 4: a computer. But there are agencies apparently circling this AI creation.

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Speaker 4: From a Norwegian creator, science person, whatever you want to

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Speaker 4: call people that design these things, this is a person

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Speaker 4: named Eileen van der Velden, and she said, to those

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Speaker 4: who have expressed anger over the creation of my AI character,

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Speaker 4: Tilly Norwood, she's not a replacement for human being, but

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Speaker 4: a creative work, a piece of art. Like many works

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Speaker 4: of art before her, she sparks conversation, and that in

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Speaker 4: itself shows the power of creativity. I say to that,

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Speaker 4: I thumb my nose at you, madam. I think you've

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Speaker 4: missed the point of what creativity is a little bit.

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Speaker 3: That's all I got, guys, And we have so much

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Speaker 3: more on the way, folks. As we said earlier, we

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Speaker 3: are going to be in in a bit of a

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Speaker 3: classics phase for a week or so. We're going to

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Speaker 3: air some of our favorite stories and most terrifying stories

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Speaker 3: of years past. As we are on the high seas,

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Speaker 3: we can't wait to hear from you. We hope our

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Speaker 3: contact still works while we're abroad, so help us test

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Speaker 3: it out together. Fellow conspiracy realist, thank you, as always

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Speaker 3: so much for joining us for our weekly strange news program.

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Speaker 3: You can always send us an email. Be aware the

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Speaker 3: void writes back. You can always give us a call.

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Speaker 3: You can find us on the lines.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three

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Speaker 2: three st d WYTK. It's a voicemail system. When you

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Speaker 2: call in, you've got three minutes to give yourself a

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Speaker 2: we can use your name and message on the air.

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Speaker 2: If you'd instead like to send us words, why not

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Speaker 3: We are the entities who read each piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware yet unafraid. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 3: writes back and it doesn't have to be just words. Images.

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Speaker 3: We love pet pictures. The shout out to everybody who

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Speaker 3: went to Mount Rushmore, and shout out to the folks

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Speaker 3: we will not identify who told us the cool spots

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Speaker 3: to smoke cannabis at that national monument. I think we've

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Speaker 3: all seen those. Also, shout out to Vashlav leon Eatiev

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Speaker 3: a story we didn't get to. Former publisher of Pravada

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Speaker 3: had a quote nervous breakdown and plummet it to death

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Speaker 3: in Russia. What do we mean? We mean, we're at

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Speaker 3: the edge of the rabbit hole, folks, So walk further

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Speaker 3: down there with us into the dark conspiracy. At iHeartRadio dot.

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