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Speaker 1: episodes in a second. I wanted to let you all

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Speaker 1: know that for the fourth year in a row, we

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Speaker 1: are doing our fundraiser for the Portland Diaper Bank. Behind

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Speaker 1: Help us raise the money that these people need to

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Speaker 1: get diapers to folks who need them desperately.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, you know.

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Speaker 1: Robert Evans here, and I was just thinking the other day,

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Speaker 1: it's been more than three years since I watched Demand

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Speaker 1: Die last. I think I'm going to go to Applebee's. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Tom Sean, you want to go to Apple and witness

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Speaker 1: the the vast panopoly of humans suffering?

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Speaker 3: You know it, man, never ending ketchup bulls. There's just no,

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Speaker 3: you can't. There's no place you can wallow like an Applebee's.

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Speaker 2: No place you can wallow.

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Speaker 1: And man, if you want to get just absolutely housed

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Speaker 1: on the worst long island iced teas you've ever had

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Speaker 4: Can I just can I just say I am partial

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Speaker 4: to Chili's.

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Speaker 2: It's pronounced CHILEI okay, anyway, if you want to, I

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I just saw a story that that they're like

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Speaker 5: shaming this woman for getting like fifteen dollars worth of

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Speaker 5: Chili's as her meal for her guests at her wedding.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine a choice than that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can thrive, right, imagine.

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Speaker 1: Look, man, like, you know I do the I do

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Speaker 1: the righteous thing. You know, I don't pay for Chick

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Speaker 1: fil A. But man, back when I was like a

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Speaker 1: just take it. You take it like a squirrel and

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Speaker 1: remember where half of the chicken nuggets you buried are.

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Speaker 1: But that's still a good enough result to get you

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Speaker 1: through the winter. Yeah, exactly, Thank you, Tom Robert. I

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Speaker 1: had one more Applebee's joke. Please, if you want to

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Speaker 1: This is because in all of the wrestling clips we're

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Speaker 1: using today, there's Applebee's ads, and now we're thinking of Applebe's.

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Speaker 1: But this is Behind the Bastard's a podcast about the

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Speaker 1: worst man who ever lived, Vince McMahon. For the last

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Speaker 3: I don't feel you particularly made a promise by saying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good stuff. He contracts a fast moving

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Speaker 2: You are right, Tom, That's what.

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Speaker 6: Sir, Vince proncess is the grief by killing many many musclemen.

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Speaker 3: Y just just together like two dollars action figures.

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Speaker 6: Uh, it's such an innocent story. Well, my dad said,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is there anything you don't lie about? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, he said that all the time. So there's I

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Speaker 6: I honestly think Brad Garrett and Hulk Cogan should be

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Speaker 1: Yes, and and you know what that means, Sean, Maybe

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Speaker 1: the first of these is Ba Barracas mister T, who

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's let's saying he doesn't know how to fight.

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Speaker 3: My dad saw that bouncer competition. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah whever.

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Speaker 1: What a crazy thing to do to have as a

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Speaker 6: Yeae, someone's doing cocaine in the bathroom.

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Speaker 3: You gotta saw some riddles to throw this coat down,

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Speaker 1: every week a new group of bouncers has to stop

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Speaker 1: in March of nineteen eighty four, there's this episode of

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Speaker 1: That's that's right, Tom, have you heard about this, You've

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Speaker 2: I've seen this. Critic Okay, glorious.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Bells if you're not aware, as I'm

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Speaker 1: he's also a my regular guest on Info Wars.

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Speaker 2: Wow, two episodes.

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Speaker 1: In a row we got Info Wars guests, but this

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Speaker 1: This is something that's kind of been forgotten. You have

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Speaker 3: and it's anyway, like fuck Vince, but also like fuck

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Speaker 1: There's some, there's some, like there's some, and the Bells

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Speaker 6: Very frustrated by these people. I once watched a Vince

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man. Then Vince got it.

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Speaker 6: Vince got his head busted open. I want to say

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Speaker 6: That's another ten part podcast series, but they hired the

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Speaker 6: And so Vince McMahon, who's who's in his wrestling uniform

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: And look, Richard Belzer, an actor who we all have

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Speaker 1: so he's like, I'm not going to put you in

435
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: a hold on life TV.

436
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 6: He's not going to tear a white man's head off

437
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 6: on TV. He's a little too tiny.

438
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, my career things are I am mister T and

439
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: it's the mid eighties. Things are going well for me.

440
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to gamble on this. But hul Cogan has,

441
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: you know, the brain of a goldfish, and so it's like, okay,

442
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: i will put you in a wrestling hold and I'm

443
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna play the audio of this. Sean, would you announce

444
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: what's going on to the audience pleasure?

445
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 6: Okay, punched over, we's got him in a front headline.

446
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay.

447
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 6: Watching it in On the other hand, he's got a

448
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 6: figure flour on it and Belzer looks like he's passing out.

449
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 6: He's completely limp and he's on the floor seemingly dead.

450
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: Mister T not surprised. Mister T has watched many rough

451
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: housing engagements.

452
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 6: Endless way, So this is this is like, uh, the

453
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 6: dumbest asshole party wants to play wrestle and you're like, well,

454
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 6: this is only going to end with someone like nearly dying,

455
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 6: like guillotine chokes some.

456
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things it's Belzer's fault that

457
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: this starts. Hogan fucks up because, like, it is possible

458
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: to put a man in a headlock and he to

459
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: choke somebody into unconsciousness and not seriously injure them. People

460
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: do it with some regularity. Not that you should, because

461
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: it's also very easy to kill them if you don't

462
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: know what you're.

463
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Doing, but you can do it.

464
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 3: The problem here, I was gonna say I had heard

465
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 3: a version of the story where Hogan may have done

466
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: this on purpose because he was kind of sick. If

467
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: bells are running his mouth.

468
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever know, because like there are

469
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: a lawsuit results from this, So Hogan's not going to

470
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I dropped him on purpose. He says

471
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: that he slipped out of his hands. Maybe Hogan let

472
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: him go hard, Like I can't prove that one way

473
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: or the other, but either way, Belser. The problem in

474
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: this is not that Belser got choked out. It's that

475
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: Belzer gets dropped when he is unconscious and he smacks

476
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: his head into the ground and suffers a significant head injury.

477
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: He's serious.

478
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 6: Shit, Yeah, I probably should have explained to this idiot, like, hey,

479
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 6: you gotta tap me when you're running out of air.

480
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it or like sit down, turns.

481
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 6: His neck away from the blood choke, Yeah, just to

482
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 6: prevent an instantaneous like death.

483
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: There's a number of things that could have been done,

484
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna do this, okay, let's get on

485
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: the ground, you know, so you maybe have.

486
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: Less to fall.

487
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it was like, for instance, don't

488
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: do this at all, but don't do this at all

489
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: would be ideal.

490
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: Do not choke a man in New unconsciousness on Life

491
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: Television's arm is wider than big. Yeah, Like each of

492
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: his biceps is fifty percent of Richard Belzer's body weights,

493
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: Like those twenty four inch pythoughts.

494
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't take hindsight to think, no, is this going

495
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: to end? What? What are the end what's the endgame

496
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: of this? Will it be? Yeah? An awkward like he'll

497
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: release me and I'll say, well that kind of hurt,

498
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Like that's not.

499
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Fucking because it's also like, even if you think wrestling

500
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: is fake, do you think Hulk Hogan isn't much much

501
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: bigger than you?

502
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 5: Like?

503
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: Do you do you Richard Belzer disbelieve that Hulk Cogan

504
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: could choke you into unconsciousness.

505
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: Right, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that hulk,

506
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: the hulks of a giant, dumb guy might accidentally not

507
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 3: you well and a smaller than him.

508
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 6: This was not like a wrestling choke like generally a

509
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 6: front hand block, and wrestling is a resting hold, which

510
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 6: means you're just kind of hanging out catching your breath. Yeah,

511
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 6: he locked his hand over his other arm to like

512
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 6: to get his forearm.

513
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: To cut off his fucking blood.

514
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

515
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely wanted him unconscious.

516
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is a real like kill a guy choke,

517
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 6: not a wrestling it is. So if you sorry, I

518
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 6: think that fucks have any story Hogan's telling because he's

519
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 6: he did this with intention to choke him out.

520
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

521
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: I think definitely with intention to choke him out. I

522
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: think the question is like, did he intend for him

523
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: to like hit the ground. I don't know, right, we

524
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: can't prove it, but it is if you want to

525
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: watch a guy get choked the fuck out and drop

526
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: like a sack of potato instantly, that this is this

527
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: is a pretty good one.

528
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: So somebody granted a wish that you'd be conscious, Like

529
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: he's just Richard.

530
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: Belzer suffer ahead injury. It's like wishing to get into

531
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: a fistfight and then going to an Applebee's at one

532
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: in the morning. You know, It's it's just like granted

533
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: by a genie.

534
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Man.

535
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: How many times has a guy that looks like the

536
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: hulkster choked out a guy that looks like Richard Belzer added, Applebee's.

537
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Almost a daily encounter, Tom almost a daily encounter. So somehow,

538
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: because the universe is occasionally giving, In the exact same year,

539
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: another TV journalist is assaulted by a pro wrestler and

540
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: suffers at least allegedly a serious injury.

541
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: John Stossel, John Stossel, this is the other guy.

542
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 2: This is the other guy I was thinking of. It's

543
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: kind of a dick. Yeah, and it's a clip after

544
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: this swash get smacked.

545
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you love to see it. So Stossel is the

546
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: host of twenty twenty, or at least one of them. Uh,

547
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: and he's got a reput he's like a hoaxbuster, right,

548
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: that's like one of the things that Stossel does. And

549
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: like there are real problems, like people are starting to

550
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: get really concerned with like steroid abuse in the WWF

551
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: and the impact that's having a people's health, and Stossel

552
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: is like kind of on that beat, but he's much

553
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: more interested in proving that wrestling is a hoax.

554
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah when I jump in real quick, what please about? Oh? Sorry? Nice?

555
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: And please? Oh please?

556
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, what bugs about Stossel is like he the

557
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: guy he gets to like help him demonstrate how wrestling

558
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: is choreographed. I forget the wrestler's name, but like that

559
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: wrestler has a very legitimate grievance about the fact that

560
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: there's no union and no healthcare. And he's like if

561
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: you watch like the Dark Side of the Ring episode

562
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: on this, like that guy's talking about all this stuff

563
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: and like he's telling Stoscle this. But like you said,

564
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: Stossel is way way way more interested in like this

565
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 3: is fake and not like pointing out the actual problems

566
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: with the industry. It's like he gives a shit if

567
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: it's fake, Like it's.

568
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: Not actually a problem if some people are pretending a

569
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: thing it's not a sport. When it's a sport, it's

570
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: a problem. If guys are dying, Yeah, that's what you

571
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: should care about.

572
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: Exactly like he was, he treated the fact that like

573
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: wrestling is choreographed as like this big bombshell scandal and

574
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: it's like, bro, who cares.

575
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: It's like if one of those like Renaissance fares, if

576
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: there's like a fucking uh cholera outbreak because of some

577
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: infected food and you go there to proof that the

578
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Knights aren't really nighted, Like, no, man, there's like.

579
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: A problem here. Somebody needs to look into this. People

580
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: are dying.

581
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 6: It's like a Chinese genocid and you show up and

582
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 6: be like Jackie Chan didn't really kill those guys with

583
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 6: a letter.

584
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just I don't know, it's wild.

585
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: So John Stossel, host to twenty twenty is on in

586
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: his trying to bust the wrestling hoax era, and on

587
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: December twenty eighth, he shows up outside of a match

588
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: at the Madison Square Garden to do a segment on

589
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: pro wrestling, and for reason I haven't really found a

590
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: convincing explanation why. I think it's just that he wants

591
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: any kind of press he can get. Vince lets him in. Now,

592
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: this is not a good decision because again he's very

593
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: much like Vince knows he's going to try and like

594
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: make the business look bad. But also McMahon is fine

595
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: with this. He wants to kind of generate conflict, so

596
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: he sends out David Schultz. David wrestled under the name

597
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: doctor D, and David's kind of like getting dressed in

598
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: the locker room when mc mahon comes in and he's like, Hey,

599
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: we got a guy out here making a joke of

600
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: the business. I want you to go out here and

601
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: interview with him. Blast him up, tear his ass up,

602
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: stay in character, doctor D. That's what he tells him.

603
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: According to Doctor D, like blast him right, like that's

604
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Vince's exact words here.

605
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be a clear doctor D.

606
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 6: Tear his penis off, Yeah yeah, your hands right off,

607
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 6: straight off like a paper towel.

608
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: I've been reading a lot of books about you know,

609
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: these difference called to eunuch units in the in the

610
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: Ottoman military. I think it's a good idea. I think

611
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: we should try here. So why don't you, why don't

612
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: you geld this TV journalist?

613
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: I understand this.

614
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, this is the thing you need

615
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: to understand about David Schultz if you've never seen him before,

616
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: those those of you listening, is that he's like the

617
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: shitkick and his ship kicker that's ever lived. Oh my god, yeah,

618
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: like yeah.

619
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like the kind of guy you would

620
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: bring with you in a fight if you needed back up,

621
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 1: but who would need like an explanation.

622
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: Of how your car door works in order to get out?

623
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: Like he looks.

624
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: He looks like he's been questioned in every unsolved murder

625
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: in his guiltest.

626
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, he swallows two gallons of chewing tobacco spit every day.

627
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play you this clip here, or at

628
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: least I'm going to make Sophie do it and then

629
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: take credit for it, because that's that's how the entertainment

630
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: industry works.

631
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: Baby.

632
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 6: I asked Schultz questions that I assume all wrestlers have

633
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 6: been asked dozens of times.

634
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: What it is a good business? Yeah, a good business

635
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't be in if it one.

636
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 6: Why isn't it good?

637
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Because it's only the tough sur vibe that's reading you

638
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: ain't in it And this punk holding the camera reading,

639
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: he ain't in it, reading he's read next out here,

640
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: ain't in it. Because there's a tough business that's terrific.

641
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: What is that all you got? I'll ask you the

642
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: standard question, you know question, I think it's a fake?

643
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Do you think his bike that's an open hand slap?

644
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: He does, kind of playing off like I'm showing you

645
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: a move, like isn't this like you think it's not real.

646
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: Here's like a slap that we take, but because it's

647
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: so funny, yeah it is a second time. He does

648
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,239
Speaker 1: get him a second I believe he does get him

649
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: a second time, and it's it's like it's one of

650
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: those things. Obviously, doctor d horrible decision, but you shouldn't

651
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: do that, but also can't pop he's just.

652
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: Done a knife hand chop or something.

653
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 6: Is like, yeah, let me show you one of our

654
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 6: moves that we do, and then just fucking put a

655
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 6: handprint on his chest or something.

656
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: You're big and terrifying, He's John Stossel, Like, throw a

657
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: fake punch and get him to like back up and

658
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: flinch and be like, I don't know, looks real to me.

659
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: You flinched, you know, I don't know. Something you could.

660
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 3: In fairness, also on the list of things you don't

661
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: do is go up to a guy that looks like

662
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: David Schultz and tell him, hey, I think you're.

663
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: Fake yeah, I think you're a liar.

664
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 6: It was no hesitation, he said, a fake in hand

665
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 6: his mouth.

666
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: Immediate immediately, and you know there's a cobra strike.

667
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 6: Like STOs You've got this foreign life without like seeing

668
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 6: that guy and thinking that dude is seconds away from punching.

669
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can see it in his face on the mind. Yeah,

670
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: just back off Stossel. It is like it's like somebody

671
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: trying to pet a rattlesnake while it's making the noise,

672
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: and you're.

673
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the it's the confidence of somebody who's

674
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: never been punched before.

675
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. And unfortunately John Stossel has

676
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: a platform and is able to sue. I'm not saying

677
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: what Schultz did is wrong. Also, I think some of

678
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: this is Vince's fault, because if you have a man

679
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: at Schultz's level of like smart capacity, and you're like

680
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: go out there and fuck up this journalist and then

681
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: he hits him, some of that is on you, Vince.

682
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 6: Like this is not a tire just Schultz. That is,

683
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 6: it was bad decisions leading to this, and that reporter

684
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 6: made the worst of them all. Like I hear, like

685
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 6: nothing could have been made more clear to this man

686
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 6: than like if you fuck with him, you're gonna get

687
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 6: punched in the vase, and he still did it. Well,

688
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 6: it's natural selection at best.

689
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if like Schultz had been involved

690
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: and something like you know we talked or yeah, we

691
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: talked about the the Snooky case right where he fucking

692
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: murders a woman. If you're going up to like a

693
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: fucking gorilla like that because of a serious crime and

694
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: you ask him that kind of question, knowing you're gonna

695
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: get fucking hit, well that's that's kind of heroic. But

696
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: like Stossel, the thing he is trying to bust is

697
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: that like wrestling's not real, Like it's it's pointless, you know,

698
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it would be like.

699
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: Interrogating a mal Santa. Yeah, it's like what's your endgame here?

700
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why are we?

701
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like waging in this case, it would be

702
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: a Malsanda with lots of tattoos.

703
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: It's like waging a desperate and ultimately fatal insurgent war

704
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: against the storm troopers at Disney World.

705
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 2: Like there was no need for this cameras to bust

706
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: the Easter Bunny for Yeah, why are we here.

707
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: Anyway, Stossel claims that he suffered permanent ear damage, and

708
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: that is quite a slat. Maybe he did, Like I'm

709
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: not I'm not questioning him on this. McMahon settles with

710
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: him for I think it's like four hundred and fifty

711
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, Like it's a significant amount of money.

712
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: And so too much money to pay for a bitch

713
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: ass ear.

714
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: So despite the fact that Vince was allegedly happy to

715
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: provoke violence to protect k Fabe, and you know, you

716
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: can say which I don't know that Vince is to blame.

717
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I haven't seen any evidence that like

718
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Vince is really to blame for what happens to fucking Belzer.

719
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: But he's definitely part of Stossel getting assaulted here, and

720
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to describe that as like he

721
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: is happy to have violence occur in order to protect

722
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: k Fabe. In nineteen eighty four, despite this fact, and

723
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: despite the fact that he like damages doctor D's career

724
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: forever by sort of inciting him to go out there,

725
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: Vince spends the nineteen eighties, the mid to late eighties

726
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: and an active and engaged campaign to kill it right

727
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: to kill the concept of k fabe if you have forgotten,

728
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen eighties and early nineties, wrestling was

729
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: mostly treated as a real sport under the law. Referees

730
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: are licensed by the same reps, you know, as the

731
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: same way that like reps for the NFL are, right,

732
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: like there's no difference to the state between them, because

733
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: people are saying wrestling's real, right, so would there be matches?

734
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: Are thus subject to these same kinds of health and

735
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: safety requirements, And you know, it's a little silly to

736
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: have like the same sort of refs for wrestling, but

737
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: it's totally reasonable that like the NFL and WWF would

738
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: have the same health and safety requirements. Right they're both

739
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: huge guys slamming into each other. Presumably a lot of

740
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: the same problems are going to occur. Despite the fact

741
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: that Vince and other promoters have a big issue with

742
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: this state of affairs, it is not particularly strict strict.

743
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like wink wink, nudge, nudge. Doctor

744
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: George Zahorian, who was going to become the WWF steroid dealer,

745
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: is like Pennsylvania's state appointed medical doctor for wrestling, So

746
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily the strictest situation imaginable here still the modest

747
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: regulation that wrestling existed under cost money, and the McMahons

748
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: weren't about to stand for that. They started by lobbying

749
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: in Connecticut before the first WrestleMania, and they succeeded in

750
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: getting Republican state Representative Lauren Dickson to introduce a bill

751
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: ending all state government oversight of wrestler health and in

752
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: ring safety measures. A lawyer for the WWF appeared in

753
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: the state legislature to make the argument that, quote, we

754
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: consider ourselves in the same class or league as the

755
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: circus and the Harlem Globetrotters. Wrestlers, this lawyer argued, were

756
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: quote terrific athletes engaged in complex performances, but they shouldn't

757
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: be regulated because there wasn't a real competition going on.

758
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: This passed. This bill passes without much talk, and it

759
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's significant obviously for the business because now

760
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: they don't have to deal with like these additional taxes

761
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: that you have to pay in Connecticut for like running

762
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: a sporting event. It doesn't get a lot of attention,

763
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: but this is the first time that a wrestling promoter

764
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledges that wrestling isn't real, right, this is this

765
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: is the first time that there's an official break in

766
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: cafe from one of these big wrestling organizations. The state

767
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: legislature buys the argument, which is kind of insane when

768
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: you think about it, because, like, well, again, the question

769
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: isn't whether or not there's a competition. It's like our

770
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: people endangering themselves sometimes they need health and safety standards.

771
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 3: But the McMahons win. So next, Ncent, it's a good thing.

772
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: No wrestlers die in the ring after this.

773
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: No, no, that's not what this entire series is building towards.

774
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 6: To compare themselves to Harlem Globetrotter. I mean for those

775
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 6: guys lose a leg every month.

776
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god.

777
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: The graveyard of the globe Trotter's limbs, it's like one

778
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: of those burial pits for severed body parts. In the

779
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: at Waterloo, one of the pulse chainsaws out of his hair.

780
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone knows this, but his hair

781
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: is filled with weapons. We'll do our Globetrotters episode soon.

782
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: So Vincent Linda next move on to Delaware, where they

783
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: win a similar victory in nineteen eighty seven, and they

784
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: follow by pushing anyone who will listen to them in

785
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: New Jersey politics to deregulate wrestling there. This is kind

786
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: of like a process for them, but they started in

787
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: the late nineteen eighties, and while they're kind of slowly

788
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: trying to build support there, they move on to attacking

789
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: the wrestling regulations in the state of Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania

790
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: State Athletic Commission there has a sunset provision and it

791
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: was about to expire. So the whole state is having

792
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: this debate of like, do we keep having a state

793
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: athletic commission. The McMahons wanted dead, and they hire a

794
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: fancy law firm to try and ensure this happens. So

795
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: said law firm is put to the task of arguing

796
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: that Pennsylvania should kill their athletic commission, and they put

797
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: this job on a brash, young lawyer who has a

798
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: real hatred for government regulation. Now who here wants to

799
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: take a guess as to which modern political shithead this

800
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: guy is Giuliani. No, No, thankfully it's not Juliani, although

801
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: it could have been. You gotta guess, you gotta it's

802
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: Rick Santorum. Oh, I never would have got there there,

803
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: Rick is, Vince McMahon's like like trigger man to kill wrestling.

804
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: Uh regulations in Pennsylvania. Pretty yeah, exactly, yes, sir, it

805
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: hurts people.

806
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 2: I'm there. That's my bat signal. Get those kids back

807
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: into those minds. It is.

808
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: It is very funny. So, in true Rick person fashion,

809
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: he says ship like this to reporters about the case

810
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania was the most pernicious of states when it came

811
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: to regulation. I mean, you pay all this money to

812
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: the boxing commission that used to just rape these guys.

813
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: Was no.

814
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Good guy. Love that his career ended there. So one

815
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: of richards. The boxers have had it too easy for

816
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: too long. I think we can all agree on that. Yeah, boxers,

817
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I think with too much regulation boxing. But you know

818
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: what isn't regulated? Yeah, I saw Sophie. You know what's

819
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: not regulated in any way?

820
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: That's pretty true.

821
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: Podcast advertising, whatever ad you're about to hear by their

822
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: gold Yeah, don't tell the FTC. So we're back. One

823
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: of Rick's tricks as he's lobbying to deregulate wrestling is

824
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: to take state lawmakers backstage at WWF events where they

825
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: got free food and liquor. In a way that didn't

826
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: technically violate the law.

827
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: Sounds like he's trying to whine and dine some nine

828
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: year olds. He took me backstage, they got to meet

829
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: the Ultimate Warrior and shake the Snake, and Big boss

830
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: Man and Big Bless.

831
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: Driver was there.

832
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: We're grieve. We're joking about this. But when I get

833
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: into politics, like, I will vote on anything. If you

834
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: take me backstage to meet Hulk Cogan and get me drunk,

835
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: you know, anything, anything you want to invent to rack again,

836
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: let's do it. I'm on board. No body count too high.

837
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 1: If I get to meet the Holkster and talk about

838
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: Suburban Commando with him, I'm fine with it.

839
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: That's my limit.

840
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: And that was these guys' limits, right because you know

841
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Santorum takes these guys backstage. They all get to take

842
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: their photos with Hulk or whoever. This all culminates as

843
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing this charm offensive. In Lynda McMahon's

844
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: June eleventh, nineteen eighty seven testimony in Philadelphia to a

845
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: committee reviewing this commission, Josie Riiseman writes, quote she was

846
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: preceded by two executives from the Athletic Commission who pleaded

847
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: with legislators to allow them to make sure the wrestlers

848
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: were safe and safe and healthy. The chairman of the

849
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: State Athletic Commission, James J. Binns, argued that if the

850
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: state got rid of wrestling regulations, they would be replaced

851
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: by the good old boys system of live and let live,

852
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: and let's just see what we can do to get

853
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: beyond this problem. The committee members were less interested in workers'

854
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: safety than they weren't trying to parse out the question

855
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: of whether or not wrestling was real. After Bins delivered

856
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: this opening statement, the first question from a legislator was,

857
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: do you believe honestly that wrestling is a competitive sport?

858
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: It is not.

859
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: Serpents replied, wrestling is an exhibition. No reasonable person like,

860
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: it's so insane. It's the same stoscilshit where it's like

861
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: sim embarrassing that they're this hung up on it. The

862
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: only adult in Philadelphia state government is like, well, these

863
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: these men are really encountering dangers and like we need

864
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: to have health and safety regulations, and the entire state legislatures.

865
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: Like, but is real or is he real? Sins can

866
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: really talk?

867
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 5: Right?

868
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: Can the Undertaker really bring back the dead. Yeah, I

869
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: don't know about that. Is he some form of necromancer?

870
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: If I could eye control him? My constituents, you want

871
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: to know, yehs.

872
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: It's remarkable how dumb these fucking people are and how

873
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: many bad.

874
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Consequences there are to it.

875
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: But everybody's like, yep uh, this this is a reasonable

876
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: thing to be debating on. And to her credit, not credit,

877
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: because this is an awful thing to do, but it

878
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: just Linda is very savvy at what she's doing. She's

879
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: much better at certain aspects of the business than, certainly

880
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: than Vince is. And she follows up with an extremely

881
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: disingenuous argument, but a very successful one. And this is

882
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: me pretending to be Linda McMahon. But I'll just I

883
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, I'll do my Ben Shapiro voice.

884
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: Probably I'm listening. I'm letting the illusion take take me over.

885
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: Just just close your eyes. We provide quality family entertainment

886
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: for all age groups and for people from all walks

887
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: of life. Unlike professional boxers, professional wrestlers are not competing

888
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: in contests where points are scored and the winner determined

889
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: by potentially injurious blows struck at an opponent. Instead, like

890
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: the skilled athletes you see in the circus or the

891
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: Harlem globetrotters. Our athletes are well conditioned professionals who are

892
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: the best at what they do, and what they do

893
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: is entertain people. Does the Liquor Control Board assign an

894
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: agent to every tavern? Does the Game Commission assign a

895
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: game boarding to every hunter? To such questions, the answer

896
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: is obviously no, And these are areas where real dangers

897
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: exist to society. There is no such danger in wrestling.

898
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: And there's a lot that's silly about. For one thing,

899
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: like every hunter might encounter a game warden. There are

900
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: game boardens out there. If you are if you shoot

901
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: a deer and a game warden is there, they will

902
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: like make you show your tags, They'll check to make sure.

903
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: It's like that's a part of hunting. Yeah, I absolutely

904
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: do not understand that part of the argument. And also yes,

905
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: there's not one game boarden for every one hunting. No,

906
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: And like yeah, like the liquor Control Board doesn't have

907
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: like a sky marshal guy in every bar, but like

908
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: every bar could be investigated by a liquor controvery bar.

909
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: I can have its license pulled if you, yeah, break

910
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: the rules, like that's a that's a nothing argument.

911
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: It's it's a nuts argument. But you can see why

912
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: this could sell to a room full of guys who

913
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: are dumb enough to like listen to a man beg

914
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: them to take seriously the health consequences of wrestling and going.

915
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: But is it real, Like it works.

916
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's and one of the things that say.

917
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 6: How everyone is today and then like take them back

918
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 6: thirty years. Yeah, and they just like didn't know anything. Yeah,

919
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 6: like nothing at nothing at all. Not a single brain

920
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 6: in the room. They are all like all all of

921
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 6: these guys, cognition is like sixty percent old fashions and

922
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 6: forty percent camel cigarettes. There is there is just not

923
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 6: a thought in their head. Their brains look like the

924
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 6: inside of a Playboy spread.

925
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tragic.

926
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: So after this kind of big testimony, you start to

927
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: get a little bit of leak into like the public

928
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: consciousness that like some like some people who are paying

929
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: more attention are like, well, actually, like WWF's claiming that

930
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: like what they're doing isn't real. That's kind of interesting.

931
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: That's a change, but it has no impact on how

932
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: Vince treats. It's his own people. When they break KFA right, like,

933
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: there's still very aggressive about it. In fact, the month

934
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: before Linda's testimony, the Iron Shake and Hacksaw Jim Duggan

935
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: get into a traffic stop and there's like liquor and

936
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: drugs in the car. They're supposed to be bitter rivals

937
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: in the ring, and Vince fires them because like this

938
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: is like an unacceptable breach of KFA. He does not

939
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: care that, like this is like we just talked about,

940
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: you know, the murder that he doesn't care that they're

941
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: drunk driving. You know, the issue is they're not supposed

942
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: to be friends. Now, in the middle of all this,

943
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, Vince is getting ready for WrestleMania four.

944
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: This is the one that has the epic showdown between

945
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: Andre and the Holkster. It's a very famous event, although

946
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: because there's so much cool shit happening in the event,

947
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: it's often not being remembered as like as much of

948
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: a shit show as it was. And part of why

949
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: the actual event itself is kind of a shit show

950
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: on the ground is that it's held in Atlantic City. Now,

951
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: if you're not a Springsteen fan or from the East coast,

952
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Atlantic City is Las Vegas, without any hope at all. Right,

953
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of how I would describe it.

954
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

955
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: It's also where a certain real estate mogul named Donald J.

956
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: Trump had a casino in the late nineteen eighties, And

957
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: there's kind of a little bit of wonders like how

958
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: this exactly happened. But basically, one day at an event,

959
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: Trump and McMahon meet and they get to talking and

960
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: McMahon is like, you know, we're doing a big wrestling event,

961
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, one of our WrestleManias. And Trump is familiar

962
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: with wrestling and is like, well, you know, I got

963
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: this casino, I got this hotel. You know, you should

964
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: do an Atlantic city. I'll sponsor it. And this is

965
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: in fact what happens. Trump agrees to sponsor WrestleMania for

966
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: the future President records some awkward promos for the event

967
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: it is. They kind of lie about it on TV

968
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: and they say that it's being held at the Trump Casino,

969
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: even though it's actually being hosted quite a while it's

970
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: like at the Pier or something like that. There's a

971
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: little bit of like fuckery with that kind of stuff.

972
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: Not a big deal. There are also some really awkward

973
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: moments from that time. And my favorite is this video

974
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: featuring Rilla Monsoon and Bobby the Brain Heenan, who are

975
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: both like wrestlers who have become like commentators. And it's

976
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: like a video of Bobby Heenan trying to check into

977
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: the Trump hotel and casino. This is part of like

978
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: a twenty minute thing that's like basically supposed to be

979
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: an ad for Trump properties, you know, because he's sponsoring

980
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: this shit, but it's like deeply off putting and and

981
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: to show that, here's here's just a clip from it.

982
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: This is a clip from like what Trump is meaning

983
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: to be an ad for his property of Bobby Heenan

984
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: like checking into his hotel.

985
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 7: Oh boy, have any reservations, And we all completely sew.

986
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I got the whole top floor here, I got the

987
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: suites on the top four here.

988
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: Don't give me that, bimbo. Do you have all the

989
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: sweets on the top floor? That's right. Excuse me, there's

990
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 2: no reason for you to be calling me in. It's okay,

991
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: for no reason. I don't know who you're talking. I'm

992
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: just sitting here. I'm trying to be in the park

993
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: my parking cards in about twenty minutes. Please just bear

994
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: with me. It's just like really kind of off putting.

995
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Well that's just really unpleasant.

996
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, just it's raight weird. A heenan's doing his heel stuff. Yeah,

997
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: not like a charming way. He's just being really mean

998
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: to this one. It's being deployed in a weird way.

999
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: Like this woman's clearly not an actress, and it's exists.

1000
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: You get like exists, like you get like a lady

1001
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: wrestler or something here and maybe like they have a

1002
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: conflict or something, and like there's some betwet back and

1003
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: she she does seem like someone who works the front

1004
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: desk at a casino and is just really uncomfortable and scared.

1005
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just very off putting. But what else do

1006
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: you expect from Donald Trump's casino and hotel.

1007
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 6: This is why any gorilla monsoon next to him at

1008
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 6: all times to go, would you stop?

1009
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: He does come in eventually rescue the situation, but yeah,

1010
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: it's it's awkward. So, despite Trump's friendliness to the sport,

1011
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Atlantic City has one big downside for events, which is

1012
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: that it is in the state of New Jersey, and

1013
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: the state of New Jersey charges a tax on TV

1014
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: sporting events. The bill comes to like sixty one thousand dollars,

1015
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: and you know, WrestleMania four, the first couple are really

1016
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: big hits. He's seeing kind of declining revenues in the

1017
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: late nineteen eighties, so like the fact that he's just

1018
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of getting annoyed with all of these additional charges

1019
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: he has to deal with. So again, the McMahon's call

1020
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: up a lawyer and this is a lawyer with more

1021
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: firepower than Santorum, and this lawyer successful or starts to

1022
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: lobby a Democratic state Senator, Francis McManamon to try and

1023
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: like in some of these Jersey state laws, and that guy's.

1024
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: Name probably led to a McMahon and mcmannonon hall. Yeah, yeah,

1025
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: it is. It is frustrating.

1026
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: So they apply the lawmaker and his staff with gifts

1027
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: and tickets to WrestleMania four. They like put McManamon and

1028
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: his aid right next to Donald Trump. The AID, I

1029
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: think Riisman talks to the AID and the AID is

1030
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: like years later, like we were so close that macho

1031
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: man Randy Savage fell into our laps.

1032
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: God, that's it. That's a dream, lady.

1033
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: It is for him, It is for him. He's so

1034
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: happy about this. The senator and his staff like have

1035
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: this kind of perfunctory thing where they talk to a

1036
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: couple of wrestlers about health and safety backstage, and the

1037
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: aid recalled quote. They told us, look, we've got a

1038
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: lot of money invested in those people. It's in our

1039
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: best interest to make sure they're safe.

1040
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: You know. Well, that's enough research for me.

1041
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 6: Yep, sure, I want to talk to you about making

1042
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: it less safe and putting more toxic waste in the rivers.

1043
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want anyone to scan my head to

1044
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: see if I got CTE.

1045
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: You better not do your due diligence.

1046
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: That was a much better Macha man. Yeah, damn, that

1047
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: was That was exceptional. We got to get you into

1048
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: a Trump Casino to.

1049
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: Be one of the staff members because it's haunted.

1050
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a giant man was falling into my lab

1051
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: rate there.

1052
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: So Spring of eighty eight, Senator mcmannonon introduces a bill

1053
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: to deregulate wrestling in New Jersey, New Jersey, as it's

1054
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: more accurately known, he took the McMahons out. Mcmahnonon took

1055
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: the McMahons on a tour of the Capitol, and they,

1056
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: in turn started like finding other lawmakers as like he's

1057
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: showing them around. They're like, you guys want tickets to

1058
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: some wrestling shows. You guys want to see some shows.

1059
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,959
Speaker 1: So they try the same thing. It doesn't work this time.

1060
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Actually to this, and I very rarely say this. To

1061
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: New Jersey's credit, the bill dies in committee, and wrestling

1062
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: actually stays regulated in the Garden State until nineteen ninety seven,

1063
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: which makes it later than most. It is a technical

1064
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: loss for the McMahons. But also I'm not entirely sure why.

1065
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: I guess maybe just because, like Jersey is bigger news

1066
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: than Philadelphia or.

1067
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: Connecticut or whatever.

1068
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: But this is like this kind of the crew say

1069
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: it in Jersey to deregulate wrestling by admitting that it's fake.

1070
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: This is the thing that actually like blows up and

1071
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: becomes like massive, like national news.

1072
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: And I'm going to.

1073
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: Quote from the book Ring Master by Josie Risman here, Now,

1074
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: what can be told? Those pro wrestlers are just having

1075
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: fun To clear a front page headline in the late

1076
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: edition of that day's New York Times, Cara began his

1077
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: article by writing, the promoters of professional wrestling have disclosed

1078
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that they're terrifying towers and spandex tights, massive creatures like

1079
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: Bam Bam Bigelow, Holk Cogan and Andre the Giant are

1080
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: really no more dangerous to one another than Santa Claus,

1081
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: the Easter Body, and the Tooth Fairy. But please don't

1082
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: repeat this. Millions of grown men and women just don't

1083
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: want to know, and like you see, it's like the

1084
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: subtle side bastard here. In addition to Vince is like

1085
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: all of these journalists and lawmakers who either like just

1086
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: desperately want to know themselves if it's real, but like, really,

1087
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing to me is these journalists who

1088
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: are like ignoring all these serious issues and like the

1089
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,959
Speaker 1: dangers of the sport to its performers and being like, aha,

1090
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: we were right, it's wrong. Look these idiots who think

1091
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: wrest don't tell these idiots it's fake, like and like really.

1092
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: In New York Times too, Yeah, like it's like, it's

1093
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: no more dangerous to each other than Santa Claus or

1094
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: the Eastern Body or the Tooth Fairy.

1095
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: It's it's fucking they're just like offended people are watching

1096
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: wrestling and not reading Camille Paglia or some shit it's

1097
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: like stop being like there's a real thing to investigate here, guys.

1098
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: Several real thing. Lot of shit, Why are you writing

1099
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: this article?

1100
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're getting so up in arms about it being

1101
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 3: fake and whether or not wrestlers were using steroids when

1102
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: they were legal.

1103
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: It's like Jesus Christ, part of when.

1104
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: We talk about all of the guys whose hearts are

1105
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: going to fucking explode, who get like CTE and you know,

1106
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: as one guy does kills their entire family. Behind it,

1107
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things behind it. It's not like,

1108
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, just the times of fault here, but behind

1109
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: it is like years of people whose job was to

1110
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: take this stuff seriously and who couldn't get over the

1111
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: carnival right right, Like they couldn't get they couldn't get

1112
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: over this like reputation built in kind of carne stuff

1113
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: to like be like, well but this is these are

1114
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: still human beings, Like this is real. What's happening, Like

1115
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: even if the game isn't a real game, Like and they're.

1116
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 6: Watching tigers get tortured to death while they're like, you know,

1117
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 6: I think they're using mirrors to sign lady in.

1118
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's a anyway that's pretty gross. So

1119
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: once again the news media is a side bastard in

1120
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: this story.

1121
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: Cool.

1122
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: So, despite fighting in court to the care clear wrestling

1123
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: just entertainment, Vince had his wrestlers leap to k Fabes

1124
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: defense yet again. So they have this guy, he has

1125
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: this press as guy's go on shows and be.

1126
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Like you, Joe calling me this fake?

1127
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: You know this isn't fake and kind of likewise the

1128
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: only other big game in wrestling, which is so at

1129
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: this point, Ted Turner is kind of the functional heart

1130
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: of the very weather withered NWA. Right, He's like running

1131
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: a lot of shows and stuff on his network and

1132
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: they declare the NWA like launches a new tagline which

1133
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: is like the NWA we Wrestle. So it's like the

1134
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: WWF have admitted that what they're doing is fake, but

1135
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: our wrestling it's real here in the NWA. Very funny

1136
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: that said, McMahon still plowed ahead. He never kind of

1137
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: entirely gives up k Fabe, but he also starts introducing

1138
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: new terms to describe what is wrestlers are doing, and

1139
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: the ultimate conclusion of this is eventually kind of the

1140
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: somewhat replacement of the term wrestling with the phrase sports entertainment.

1141
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: This is first added to the introduction logo of televised

1142
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: WWF matches I think at the late nineteen eighties, and

1143
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: as logo appears on screen, a voice reads the tagline

1144
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: the recognized symbol of excellence in sports entertainment. And that's

1145
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: kind of the that's what sort of replaces, you know,

1146
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: the the era of like KFE being taken seriously is

1147
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: like the sports entertainment era, right, which you could say

1148
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: we're in now to an extent, although there's other terms

1149
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: that you used, but like, yeah, that's kind of that's

1150
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: a that's a you know, not a bad thing that

1151
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: he transitions away from taking it as seriously as people did,

1152
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: but like a bad thing that it's in order to

1153
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: end regulations. Yeah, and there's going to be some consequences

1154
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: of this, but there's going to be consequences to a

1155
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: lot of Vince's decisions because, as a serial entrepreneur in

1156
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety decides to launch a new enterprise.

1157
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: Now, shock, you.

1158
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: Are a recognized expert in this one, so you know

1159
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: where I'm going here.

1160
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 6: This is nineteen ninety. Yeah, that would be the World

1161
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 6: Bodybuilding Federation.

1162
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: That is that is exactly correct, sir, And this.

1163
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 6: Was Vince who decided there what bodybuilding needed was more steroids.

1164
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys aren't huge enough. Yes, Cape's top outs, yeah.

1165
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 6: Command to outfits, sure, but more steroids is really what

1166
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 6: we're going for there.

1167
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: He walked into a competition and saw a man who

1168
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: was almost able to reach his pocket with his hand

1169
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: and was like, absolutely not.

1170
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: Not on my watch.

1171
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: So every year prior to this point, miss the Mister

1172
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Olympia competition crowned the best bodybuilder in the world. And afterwards,

1173
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, after you get your your your the winner

1174
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: declared or whatever, there's closing ceremonies, and a big part

1175
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: of the closing ceremonies is all of the different companies

1176
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: that had sponsored the event get to like, you know, give,

1177
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, say shit in order to kind of like

1178
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: try and pump whatever products they're selling. Right, that's a

1179
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: pretty normal thing to do in a competitive event. That year,

1180
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: McMahon had paid five thousand dollars for a booth at

1181
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: the event in order to promote a bodybuilding magazine he'd

1182
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: launched called Bodybuilding Lifestyles.

1183
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: You know what, I already know this booth is a trap.

1184
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: It's not it's not gonna go right. So Tom Platts

1185
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: is a bodybuilder working for McMahon at this time, and

1186
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: he addresses the crowd on his behalf, on Vince's behalf,

1187
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: and he kind of surprises everyone by directing a tirade

1188
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: against the International Federation of Bodybuilders, promising we at Titan

1189
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: Sports and Bodybuilding Lifestyles Magazine are pleased to announce the

1190
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: formation of the World Bodybuilding Federation and we're gonna kick

1191
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: the IFBB's ass. And this is, you know, kind of

1192
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: ghosh because you know it's the IFBB, you know, putting

1193
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: this shit on. And he's like, fuck these guys, and

1194
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: fuck your event.

1195
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna kill you. In an article from a.

1196
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: Late Great Spy magazine, Irving Muchnik wrote quote, the audience

1197
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: fell silent and leggy models in slinky black evening grounds

1198
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: gowns and bodybuilding lifestyle sashes emerged from the wings to

1199
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: distribute handbills promising bodybuildings. It was meant to be a

1200
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: code phrase, some thought for no drug testing.

1201
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: We know what that means.

1202
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vince McMahon in thoroughly upstaged the Whiters who ran

1203
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: the idea IFBB at their own event, and he still

1204
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: had one more trick up his sleeve. That evening, when

1205
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: the bodybuilding contestants returned to their rooms at the McCormick

1206
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: Center Hotel, they found WBF contract offers slipped under their doors.

1207
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: Really really ballsy.

1208
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: Now, look, the Whiter Brothers are our bodybuilding promoters, so

1209
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: they're not like they're not like morally peer here, right.

1210
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: Like we're not.

1211
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: This isn't This isn't the battle between good and evil. Yeah,

1212
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: but it is. It is like a pretty tasteless thing

1213
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: to do to go to an event promoted by this

1214
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: organization you're trying to destroy.

1215
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: And almost needlessly evil.

1216
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, every sport or sport sports entertainment has multiple

1217
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 6: promotions where it's like, hey, I'm this promotions champion and

1218
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 6: I'm this promotions champion. Vince McMahon like made it so

1219
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 6: adversarial like before it even existed. He's just like, sucks,

1220
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 6: this is the real one. And that's it's still I'm

1221
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 6: gonna poach all your best talent with exclusive contracts.

1222
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: It is interesting kind of that strategy of like before

1223
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm even off the ground, I'm going to start this

1224
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 1: with a fight is a very wrestling thing to do.

1225
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 5: Right.

1226
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's very much like a challenge promo between

1227
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: a heel and a face here that he's kind of

1228
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: like launching. He's you can see that, Like he's just

1229
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: got wrestling so deep in his bones.

1230
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real thing.

1231
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, it's the way his It's the just the

1232
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: only way ideas occur to him.

1233
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 6: Like this was also something that Vince McMahon genuinely thinks

1234
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 6: bodybuilding is more interesting than most people.

1235
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh so love.

1236
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 6: He was sure this is going to be a huge hit. Yeah,

1237
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 6: and so he was throwing money at it, and so

1238
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 6: like these these were offers these men couldn't really say

1239
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 6: no to in a lot of ways because he's like,

1240
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 6: here's I'll give you a fucking million dollars a year.

1241
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 6: I don't know where the numbers. The numbers were stupid, Yeah,

1242
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 6: numbers make no sense from a business standpoint. And so

1243
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 6: you're just a bodybuilder who, if I'm understanding industry correctly,

1244
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 6: like kind of who's really unregulated. I think a lot

1245
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 6: of bodybuilders are considered amateurs even at this point in

1246
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 6: their career, meaning that you could just do whatever you

1247
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 6: want to them. None of what they do it counts, right,

1248
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 6: These are just like anyway. So Vince is offering these

1249
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 6: guys real money for the first time.

1250
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: It's their live, yeah, and he does find some ways

1251
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: to fuck them because like the money sounds real good,

1252
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: but like there's restrictions on other stuff that you're allowed

1253
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: to do. And also people when they get into it,

1254
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: they find out that, like if you win a prize,

1255
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: like that's basically taken out of your salary, so you

1256
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: don't get extra money on top of it. Like he

1257
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: does fuck around with them, but like it's one of

1258
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: those things where like people don't realize the contracts not

1259
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: as this is always the case with Vince. People don't

1260
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: realize the contracts not as good as it sounds like

1261
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: it is until they're already signed.

1262
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 6: You know.

1263
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: It is, by the way, worth noting I said in

1264
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: an earlier episode Vince was probably on steroids. He was

1265
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: absolutely on steroids, and it has admitted as a result

1266
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: of some of the court stuff we're talking about later

1267
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: that in this period of time when they were legal,

1268
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: he was using them. He says he stopped when they

1269
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: got made illegal.

1270
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 3: You can no reason to think, no reason to doubt

1271
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: the word of Vince McMahon as a person who's watched

1272
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: Vince McMahon on television for I don't know, twenty five years. Yeah,

1273
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: you can absolutely tell he's doing steril.

1274
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 6: No, that's not for a seven year old man to

1275
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 6: have four percent body fat and four pounds.

1276
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: When I look at his late seventies, to look at.

1277
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon in like the early two thousands of sixty

1278
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: to fifty year old man, I see, that's a guy

1279
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: who's not on gear. That's a man who doesn't spend

1280
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: like a nice new car every month on fucking gear.

1281
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: He just loves to jog.

1282
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: He just like, yeah, he likes to jog. Just a

1283
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: couple of push ups, you know, stay, stays in shape.

1284
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: Maybe fights a couple of marines, you know, yeah yeah,

1285
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: eye goug is a handful of marines. Yeah, drops a

1286
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: platoon or two, you know, on the weekends.

1287
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: Good stuff. So and again.

1288
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: So critics will say that basically Vince's plan is just

1289
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: to throw more steroids at bodybuilding than the other guys

1290
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: who actually the IFBB is at least attempting to provide

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: a visual show of being against steroids. I think there's

1292
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: a lot of debate as to like how serious their

1293
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: testing program was, but they do have like a testing

1294
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: program at this point because people are starting to really

1295
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety really get concerned about steroids and like

1296
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: legal regulation is coming, so kind of part of what

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: Vince is doing. It's actually so like, you know, the

1298
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: NWA responds to the WWF saying wrestling isn't real by

1299
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: being like, our wrestling's real. Vince responds to the IFBB

1300
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: taking some steps to regulate steroids by being like.

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Speaker 6: You can do other roids, you want to hear shot

1302
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 6: and downplay the costumes too. He also had a costumes Yes,

1303
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 6: the vampire guy. He shared that Indian chief guy. Yeah,

1304
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 6: the college they gotta fight fight an Italian. Now this

1305
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 6: guy had like a blonde crew cut, like he should

1306
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 6: have been a surfer guy. But they already had a

1307
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 6: surfer guy. They're like, we gotta have an Indian.

1308
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, every single time, like a sorcerer, a warrior.

1309
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: They have a full D and D party.

1310
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: That that part I do appreciate because I get bored

1311
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: by normal bodybuilding. I want to see them. I want

1312
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: to see like fucking a barbarian in fishnets, you know,

1313
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: call him Honan the Barbarian.

1314
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 2: Like, let's go with it anyway.

1315
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: Critics basically are like, yeah, he just wants to roid

1316
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: people up even more. And by the start of the nineties,

1317
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 1: steroids have become a regular topic in the news, doing

1318
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: part because like a bunch of guys, some of whom

1319
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: are wrestlers die right like, people have their hearts fucking

1320
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: explode from steroids. And even more than that, a lot

1321
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: of people who had been like Vince Seniors, big wrestlers

1322
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: like his, kind of like top guys, their bodies are

1323
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: starting to fall upon. You know, some of that's just

1324
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: wrestling's bad for you, but like it's not. They also

1325
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: were like taking a bunch of steroids in a period

1326
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: of time where they didn't realize how much damage they

1327
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: were doing. And you know, the butcher's bill has come

1328
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: due by nineteen ninety and so they are starting to

1329
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: speak out against the WWF because they realize what they've

1330
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: done to their body and that more is being done

1331
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: to the bodies of young guys that are in the

1332
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: field right now. And I'm going to quote quote from

1333
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: Uschnik again. According to superstar Billy Graham, a retired WWF

1334
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: champ crippled by bone and joint degeneration from steroid use,

1335
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: and Bruno sam Martino, who had has had a falling

1336
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: out with McMahon. Nearly all of today's WWF stars are

1337
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: on the juice. I love this business, and it's really

1338
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: sad to see what's happened to it, Sammartino says. With

1339
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: all the drugs they take, the guys are now like zombies.

1340
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: Wrestler Jim Helwig, a former chiropractor and one time Venice

1341
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: beach Habitchu, who calls himself the Ultimate Warrior, is perhaps

1342
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 1: the ultimate example of the WWF's Bigger is Better ethic,

1343
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,839
Speaker 1: even though he can bely pose and mug without getting winded.

1344
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: Hellwig was last year given the lead of the WWF

1345
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: troop when Hogan was temporarily detained by Hollywood commitments. I

1346
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: eat the chemical toxins that other men fear, the Warrior

1347
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: huffed and puffed. In one TV interview, Dave Meltzer, wrestling

1348
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: columnist for The National and publisher of a newsletter called

1349
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: The Wrestling Observer, now refers to Hellwig as the anabolic Warrior.

1350
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 3: Goes for it. They have his number. Yeah, he was,

1351
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: he was winded. I mean Ultimate Warriors so great. What

1352
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 3: a great beautoroul piece of Yeah, he runs out to

1353
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 3: the ring like a jackass. He's already winded by the

1354
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 3: time he gets there. He cannot do He's he can

1355
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 3: do less wrestling than Hulk Hogan. U pins people in

1356
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 3: thirty eight seconds and sprints to the bag.

1357
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: And then becomes like a right wing crank.

1358
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 2: Right. He goes on as as an older man. Yeah, yeah,

1359
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 2: he goes real hard.

1360
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the aphobic way, Yeah, super homophophobic, racist, it's all

1361
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: the above. Yeah, it's it's good stuff. We all love

1362
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 1: the anabolic Warrior.

1363
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1364
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: In fact, here's here's here's in two thousand and five,

1365
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: here's the Ultimate Warrior talking at the University of Connecticut,

1366
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 1: summing up his life philosophy. As Reisman says it, liberals

1367
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: believe in a utopian society where everything is equal. Life

1368
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. It's a good for nothing joke

1369
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: that it can, and worse, an oppressive, evil fraud to

1370
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: then pursue it as a.

1371
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 3: Goally funny coming from a guy who has had the

1372
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: briefest of flash in the pan careers in a in

1373
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 3: an industry that he knew nothing about and didn't respect,

1374
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: and was only propped up by other guys covering for

1375
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 3: the fact that he was fucking terrible.

1376
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.

1377
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: He was willing to shoot the most steroids into his ass,

1378
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: and so he had a brief career and then his

1379
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: brain melted out of his ears.

1380
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1381
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: For him to start talking about some kind of meritocracy,

1382
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 3: it's like, buddy, you are the last.

1383
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is absolutely no merit and I'm convinced I

1384
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: don't think we should try to make the world better.

1385
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: I think right the dead maniac with a lot of

1386
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 2: problems might be right. Yeah, yeah, you know what, you

1387
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 2: know what, You're right.

1388
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: Sean Behind the Bastards is now a podcast where we

1389
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: find people like filling potholes and just start kicking them.

1390
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean kicking the shit out of them,

1391
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,440
Speaker 1: like Applebee's bumps idiots.

1392
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 3: A guy who wore that many bicycle streamers around his

1393
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 3: biceps cannot be wrong about this about them.

1394
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: Not on social issues, no, absolutely not.

1395
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: Never.

1396
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: So during the period in which steroids are spreading throughout

1397
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: wrestling and Vince is getting into bodybuilding, he also develops

1398
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 1: this kind of This is when it becomes really obvious

1399
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: that he's like on gear. Colleagues would note that in

1400
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: between minor matches or meetings, he would leave the room

1401
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,520
Speaker 1: and do barbell curls and then come back sweaty and shirtless,

1402
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 1: and people who wanted to like manipulate him. It became

1403
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: known that, like if you told Vince that he looks

1404
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 1: better than his wrestlers, Like that's the line, right, everybody

1405
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 1: uses it on I'm like, wow, Vince, you're bigger than

1406
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,560
Speaker 1: your wrestlers. He'll do like whatever for you, right, likes

1407
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: four thousan dollars, thank you. Yeah, that's how you manipulate him.

1408
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: The IFBB. Meanwhile, when you.

1409
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: Get more toxic waste in your community, I think I.

1410
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: Know a senator, Yeah, well we really want to poison

1411
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: some kids, can we do it?

1412
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? So yeah.

1413
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 1: The IFBB during this period kind of has like a

1414
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: number of public firings of bodybuilders who are testing positive

1415
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: for steroids, and the public concern is enough that in

1416
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, the United States had made it illegal

1417
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: to distribute anabolic steroids I think without a prescription, and

1418
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of nineteen ninety, Congress felt motivated to

1419
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: pass the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of nineteen ninety, which

1420
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: is why you can't pick up decaderobylin with your creatim

1421
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: in hot pockets heartbreaking they go right together. Oh my god,

1422
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: two great tastes. So while Vince is at war with

1423
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: the IFBB, the United States is going to war with

1424
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: an even deadlier foe, Saddam. Who'ssein Ah friend of the

1425
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: pod Saddam Hussein al tacreedy. Are you guys aware of

1426
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 1: his intersection with the world of wrestling?

1427
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 2: I remember the Sergeant Slaughter gimmick.

1428
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 6: Oh I remember when he switched to the Diraqi side.

1429
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we are that. We will be talking about that,

1430
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: but it gets much worse than that. So also, I

1431
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: think Saddam did more steroids and ulti oria. Right he

1432
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: was like the king. Yeah, yeah he was.

1433
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: He was. That's what you thought. He could kuwait a

1434
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: several month title run in the WWF in nineteen ninety one.

1435
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: That's not quite true, Tom, but he does nearly.

1436
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: He does nearly murder Andre the Giant, So post strap

1437
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: in for this one.

1438
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:53,520
Speaker 2: Boys.

1439
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: So there's this guy named Adnan al Kaisi, right, you

1440
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: will know him later because he's the Shake, not the

1441
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: Iron Shake, He's the Shake. So yeah, the Iron Shake

1442
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: and the Shak are both noteworthy because they are kind

1443
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: of the racial stereotype wrestlers who are actually from where,

1444
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of where they're supposed to be, both of them,

1445
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: Like the Shake is Iraqi, the Iron Shake is Iranian.

1446
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: Now during the Gulf War, the Iron Shake, they're going

1447
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: to pretend he's a Raki, which is kind of problematic,

1448
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: very problematic, but y whatever whatever, Like what we're about

1449
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: to talk about is so far past that. So Adnan

1450
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 1: al Kaisi, the Shak is born in Iraq, and in

1451
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: fact he actually went to high school with my Special Boys,

1452
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein al Dacredi. Both young men were intellectual and

1453
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: prone to debates and coffeehouses, so they kind of like

1454
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: were friendly for a while, and then they eventually drift

1455
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: apart in that way you do and your friend goes

1456
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: off to become the dictator, and like you go to

1457
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State University and a study abroad program and fall

1458
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: into pro wrestling as a side gig because you're huge.

1459
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: So al Kaisi loves wrestling. He does it for a

1460
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: while in the US, and then he comes back to

1461
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 1: the to Iraq in sixty nine when Saddam finds out

1462
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: that like a real pro wrestler because Saddam loves wrestling

1463
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: and apparently believes it's real. He invites his old friend

1464
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: for an audience. Adnon later claimed he said to me

1465
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: that he really enjoyed pro wrestling, but had never seen

1466
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 1: it in person, only on television. He wanted me to

1467
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: bring it to Iraq as soon as possible so everyone

1468
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: could enjoy it. Now, this is pretty in character for Saddam,

1469
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, like again, he's kind of bought the kfab line,

1470
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: or at least that's the allegation from Adnon, who is

1471
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: not an entirely trustworthy source. But we're going to choose

1472
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: to believe what he says here because it's amazing. So

1473
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: Adnon recruits some Western wrestlers and they come and fight

1474
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: in Bagdad.

1475
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 5: You know.

1476
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: Bagdad holds a number of like big wrestling expos and stuff.

1477
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: There are some problems, though. Adnon is obviously the most

1478
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: popular Iraqi wrestler and he's not supposed to lose matches.

1479
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: So near the end of nineteen seventy he brings one

1480
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: of his friends from the US over to Iraq, a

1481
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: guy who was very used to wrestling in foreign countries

1482
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: named Andre the Giant. Now, the match they've got planned. Normally,

1483
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: Andre's gonna win, but in some of these like local exhibitions,

1484
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 1: he'll lose to like foreign like wrestling heroes, right, because

1485
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: that's just kind of the way it goes. And so

1486
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: they set up and they're like, all right, you know,

1487
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: me and Andre will go together. We'll do three bouts.

1488
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: All win the first, he'll win, the second, all win

1489
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: the third. That way where it can keep everyone on

1490
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: the edge of their seats, you know, pretty standard stuff.

1491
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: Right.

1492
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: There's a problem with this. One of the problems is

1493
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: that this match is scheduled for a major military holiday,

1494
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: so the entire stadium is filled with Iraqi soldiers with

1495
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: their guns. So that's an unsettling scene to wrestle in.

1496
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: And Josie Reisman writes, Saddam two was armed and seated

1497
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 1: in the front row. Ad Non went over to him

1498
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: and wished and received a wish for good luck. Then

1499
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: Saddam pulled odd On close and whispered forcefully into the

1500
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: wrestler's ear. Be victorious, add Non. He said, we are

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Speaker 1: all counting on you be victorious. This guy is big,

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Speaker 1: but he is a pussy. I know that you can

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Speaker 1: beat him if he hurts you. In any way he's

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Speaker 1: going to get this. Saddam lifted up his coat to

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Speaker 1: reveal a solid gold pistol. I will put every bullet

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Speaker 1: there in his fat head and send him back to

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Speaker 1: France in a pine box.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I don't know if I think this is

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent true, but it's not impossible, right, not impossible.

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Speaker 1: So a real trail, according to adn On, at least

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Speaker 1: a real tragedy is avoided because Adon like gets Andre

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Speaker 1: into a headlock early on, and which was like all

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Speaker 1: that stuff we had planned about, like making this look

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Speaker 1: like a fight. Don't do it, like just go flat,

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Speaker 1: like dude, like Saddam will murder you if you are

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Speaker 1: seen to fight at all. And so Andre, terrified, huddles

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Speaker 1: on the mat wondering, like am I going to be

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Speaker 1: shot to death? Especially since the crowd celebrates Adnon's win

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Speaker 1: by firing into the air.

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Speaker 2: So this is sh.

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Speaker 6: Shoin testinal system to know that fear diarrhea from Andrea

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Speaker 6: the Giant could kill that whole stadium.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, it's a real problem for everybody. A

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Speaker 1: lot of lives at risk here. Thankfully it ends fine,

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Speaker 1: and for several years ad non is a big Iraqi star.

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Speaker 1: But obviously, if you know anything about Saddam ad Noon's

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Speaker 1: not going to stay in his good books forever, and

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Speaker 1: eventually he has to flee the country before that becomes

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Speaker 1: a terminal condition. So you fast forward August second, nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait and George H. W. Bush

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Speaker 2: Dogged him for years.

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