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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most

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Speaker 1: extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their most incredible journeys

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Speaker 1: to the top, all while staying glamorous.

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Speaker 2: Today with me, I have a very dear friend.

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Speaker 1: We have health and wellness coach and creator of the

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Speaker 1: so beyond amazing Melissa Would Health Empire Melissa Would. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, Melissa reflects on her tough childhood, her personal

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Speaker 1: anxieties taking on the leader of the house role at

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Speaker 1: a very young age, and also her feelings of being

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Speaker 1: very insecure about her education and the struggles she had

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Speaker 1: in school. Melissa also opens up with us on her

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Speaker 1: ability now and when she was younger to focus on

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Speaker 1: creating incredibly strong relationships, how that really helped her navigate

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Speaker 1: through her life and bonds with others in order to

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Speaker 1: succeed and now and over the last several years, taking

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Speaker 1: the time to heal and really just love herself and

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, I think that's the relationship we all struggle

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Speaker 1: with the most. So it's really incredible to hear from Melissa.

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Speaker 1: So let's get into it. You're such a great example

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Speaker 1: of someone who worked so incredibly hard to be where

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Speaker 1: you are. You're so grateful for every single step. You're

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Speaker 1: very open about the steps, and you deserve to be

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Speaker 1: where you are. But I also think that you've really

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Speaker 1: maintained this strength and femininity and overall.

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Speaker 2: Beauty about you.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say beauty because you're beautiful, I just

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Speaker 1: mean an overall just like you have this beautiful presence

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Speaker 1: about you when you enter a room, and I think,

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Speaker 1: like for me, when I say climbing in heels, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean heels. It just means that you are embracing

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Speaker 1: being a woman, embracing your femininity, but really owning your

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Speaker 1: strength and your superpowers. But I always like to really

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Speaker 1: go back, just and touch on the start, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's so important for me just to know, like,

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Speaker 1: who on earth were you as a kid? Like who

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Speaker 1: what kind of little girl were you? Were you like ambitious?

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Speaker 1: Were you a dreamer? Were you dancing? Were you in

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Speaker 1: the center of the room, were you in the back

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Speaker 1: of the room. What kind of child were you? And

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Speaker 1: do you feel like you're that same person?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you you're feeling the one

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Speaker 3: thing I'm learning to do in life is just like

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Speaker 3: let things come in and take things in and thank

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Speaker 3: you for.

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Speaker 2: It's hard, right, It's hard, right, Yeah, no, it is.

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Speaker 3: It's so interesting because I think we're so hard on

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Speaker 3: ourselves to just give yes a moment when someone is,

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Speaker 3: you know, praising you, I think it's it's really important.

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Speaker 4: So thank you. I'm so honored to be here.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very unbiased. I also want to say that

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Speaker 1: I am so unbiased. You came into my life. I

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Speaker 1: think over the pandemic I saw you. I realized that

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Speaker 1: we kind of knew some of the same people. But

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Speaker 1: I was very very drawn to your like, you know,

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Speaker 1: for lack of sounding very la because I'm a New

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Speaker 1: Yorker at heart for life, your energy, like I just

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Speaker 1: felt it, and in the pandemic, I think it was

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Speaker 1: sort of like that was all we had, right, so

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Speaker 1: I just felt like, Okay, she's who I She's who

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Speaker 1: I need, She's the vibe that I'm that I need

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Speaker 1: right now. And then we just became insto friends and

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Speaker 1: then all.

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Speaker 2: The time we got to be together. So we thank

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Speaker 2: social media for these things.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've like secretly manifested you in my life. Rachel

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Speaker 3: I've been eyeing you for years.

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Speaker 2: I love you. It's such a cute guy.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny having you asked me about my childhood.

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Speaker 3: I actually was home this past weekend, and whenever I

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Speaker 3: go home, I always drive by the house that I

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Speaker 3: this seven year old girl that moved into that house,

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Speaker 3: and I was like looking up at the window that

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Speaker 3: four sisters.

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Speaker 4: I have four sisters. Yeah, I have a lot of siblings.

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Speaker 2: I know, four sisters and how many brothers?

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Speaker 1: One brother? One brother? So you're one of six. Wait, okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're one of six. Wow Okay, I know wow Okay.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we grew.

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Speaker 3: Up in this tiny little house, my sisters and I

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: My mom was a single mother. My parents a divorce,

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Speaker 4: You know. I was just like.

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Speaker 2: And my sister I could say that, were you the oldest?

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Speaker 1: how many of these superwomen come from single moms A lot,

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Speaker 1: a lot, And I think you take a lot from that.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean I even the relationship that I've built with

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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, wonder why everything was always a little

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Speaker 3: It was like, even if I wasn't getting paid, I

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Speaker 4: I was doing the dishes, I was cleaning up.

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Speaker 3: I was just always a doer, and as the second

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Speaker 3: I was able to get a job. I did, and

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Speaker 3: it's just I think, you know, for me, it was

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Speaker 3: Like I would buy supplies for my sisters. I would

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Speaker 3: like give my sister her quarter for our like quarter

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Speaker 3: now when I go home, I'm able to like really

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Speaker 1: It's just and where was this, Melissa? Where was this

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Sarahcuse, New York?

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Speaker 2: Got it?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So that's crazy because well I say that

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Speaker 1: as you said, it's like, first of all, my sister's

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Speaker 1: I love your sister, Thank you me too.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with her.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say, there's no harder job, Like

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Speaker 1: that role as well. My mom said I didn't have

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Speaker 1: so but what's interesting is that it's like I hate

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Speaker 1: to be that cliche of like something good comes out

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Speaker 1: who you are today, right, And I think that put

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Speaker 1: it myself. This is my work. I think you have

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Speaker 1: to work hard and life like those.

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Speaker 2: Things are things that really can't be taught. I have

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Speaker 2: I wish no, my friend, you are you aren't. It's

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Speaker 2: in you are.

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Speaker 1: It's not I wish it could be. But it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to preface this by saying, in no way does it

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Speaker 1: you go to college? Like what happened because I've by

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Speaker 3: No, I'm so happy to talk about this because I

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Speaker 1: Who went to high school? Who went to this, who

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Speaker 2: Who got to many?

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Speaker 3: I did graduate high school. I struggled in school. I

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Speaker 4: Like full blown survival mode education.

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Speaker 3: It's not really a priority in like checking to see

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Speaker 3: They had so much to worry about, and with so

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Speaker 3: but I see it now is I've always built strong

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Speaker 4: Like I'm lucky that I graduated.

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Speaker 1: Truly, I only laugh because I laugh because not like

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Speaker 2: School after you graduate college? Great?

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Speaker 1: Right, godspeed. I wasn't that person. I did well when

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Speaker 1: I tried. I went to college, I somehow graduated well.

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Speaker 2: How cold? How could you? I was wrong? That's what

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Speaker 3: I have the hustle in my bones, but I think

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Speaker 2: Of course, well you can't feel it.

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Speaker 1: You're never stopping to actually feel it, right, Like you're

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Speaker 1: just going, Yeah, that's why I'm saying. It's like survival.

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Speaker 1: It's just you're just going, You're like this day, this day,

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Speaker 1: It's just sort of like it's just that constant feeling

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this. It's like moving through life in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I faced it, and I faced it surprisingly enough

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Speaker 4: And for me, I found this comfort.

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Speaker 1: Well, like you've shared your vulnerabilities, and I think there's

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Speaker 2: Know that's not real, right, Like we know that's not real.

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00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: So I think by you doing that and it resonating

442
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: with so many people, I think that's what really started

443
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: to make.

444
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: People really want to be part.

445
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: Of your world because you were like they were like,

446
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: here's this beautiful person. She lives in a beautiful she's

447
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: in New York City, she's doing this, she has these

448
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: things whatever it is, and you're like, hey, like I'm

449
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: a mess too, Like yeah, right, I mean we.

450
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: All are real, we all are.

451
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: That's a thing, but like, no, not everyone talks about it, right, yeah,

452
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: And I mean for me, it was also like starting

453
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: to see myself differently, and I literally learned to love

454
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: myself fully on the map.

455
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: And I would like, you know, I read all these

456
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: books like Louise Hayes How to Heal Your Life and

457
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: mary Anne Williamson's I'll Return to Love, and those books

458
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: really did help me and my practice be able to

459
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: look at myself in the mirror and see that younger

460
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: version of myself who was literally just wanted more love

461
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: then now and being able to provide myself with that

462
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: instead of externally looking for it in all the wrong places.

463
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: For the first time, I have.

464
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: Transformed into a completely different version of myself and I

465
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: really understood, and I still understand today because it's still

466
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: it's like we're just continuously peeling back these layers and

467
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I like myself even more now, Like it's

468
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: and it's it really is something that I truly wanted

469
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: to share with other people because I felt like it'sible

470
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: for me.

471
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 4: I know it's possible.

472
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 3: For anyone out there who really wants it, Yeah, really

473
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: wants to live their life in this place.

474
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: It's funny because I think you talk about it, and

475
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: I think something you're also very candid about is sometimes

476
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: it's all a lot, and even with your kids, you're like,

477
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: this is freaking rough and insane sometimes, like and you're

478
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: like help, Like You're like, I'm trying to be patient

479
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: and I'm losing my mind. And I think those things

480
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: are things that everybody deals with, but nobody talks about, right.

481
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: And I think that you demystified the sort of like

482
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: image of perfection based on what people see or think

483
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: that they see, right. And I think you humanized the

484
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: journey and how hard it is and your struggles with it.

485
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: And I think that really ultimately helped kill you in

486
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: a lot of ways and probably continues to do that

487
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: because I imagine you get so much feedback in real time,

488
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Like I imagine everybody's just like, thank you for doing that,

489
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: thank you for posting that. Like to sometimes you'll you'll

490
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: like post something and I'll be like, oh my god,

491
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: me too. I had a full panic attack this morning,

492
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, like you.

493
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: Know, but I literally did right before this, not a

494
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: panic yeah.

495
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: But am in a moment.

496
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: Oh god, yes.

497
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: And then learning also that I'm running a business and

498
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 3: to be able to see the stuff when it's coming up.

499
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: Now I'm able to see it.

500
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: Before I would just be so swallowed by it, but

501
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: now I'm able to be like, Okay, I'm feeling super bothered,

502
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: really irritated today. However, I have a podcast and alive,

503
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: so we're going to take the thing and we're just

504
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: going to shift it to the side because I am safe.

505
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: I am okay, this is going like everything's going to

506
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: be fine.

507
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: I can come back to that, and I.

508
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: Think that is something that business has really taught me.

509
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: Not allow everything to just like knock you off.

510
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: You can't, you literally can't. You can be on the

511
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: floor all.

512
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: Day, oh literally all day long. But it is going

513
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 3: back to the feedback. It's the it's like the never

514
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 3: ending feedback that just like it fills my soul, it

515
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: really truly does, and it has me doing things in

516
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: my life I never in a million years thought I

517
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: would be doing because I feel so supported and just

518
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: like this is just the beginning, because you know, I

519
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 3: think when you really experience this impact that you've not

520
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: only made within yourself but to help anyone else along

521
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: the way, it's so powerful.

522
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: And it keeps you. Like now I jump out of

523
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: bed in the morning.

524
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: You know, I also have a beautiful family and children

525
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: that I'm so in love with that it's just changed

526
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: every aspect of my life.

527
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: But well, I want to talk about this safety because

528
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: I use that word a lot, and I it's one

529
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: of those things where a friend of mine was, you know,

530
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people in my life looking

531
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: for their person, right, and they say I need my

532
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I always say, you need your safe person, right,

533
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: and you're safe person because that person, whether it's a husband,

534
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: whether it's your sister, whether it's your best friend, you're

535
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: safe people.

536
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: That's the healing.

537
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: Process, right, because where you go, where you feel safe,

538
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: that's when you're going to be yourself, right, that's where

539
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: you're going to let it all down. And I think

540
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: that this process for you, I mean clearly forties for you,

541
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: this is like your best life, right, this.

542
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: Is this is but you, but you manifested it you

543
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: worked for it.

544
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: It has been hard, but I also think that I

545
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: think that probably your young self, all you were really

546
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: looking for was probably safety, right, because ultimately that's.

547
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: What you dream for, right.

548
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: You just dream for like going to sleep at night,

549
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: feeling like you're safe, like your mom and your dad

550
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: and your house, whatever it is.

551
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: You just want to feel safe. Right. Oh yeah, and

552
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: now I think.

553
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: You've created that in every possible And I want to

554
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: touch on something that when I met you, you mentioned it,

555
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: and I looked at you like you were an alien,

556
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: because I was like, what we were somewhere? I can

557
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: get Paris's wedding, right, I think, And I turn around

558
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: in this like tall, gorgeous person with this body. I

559
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: cannot but clearly you work for fair enough genetically blessed,

560
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: but also work for it very hard. But I was like,

561
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: let's get a drink. You're like, oh, I stopped drinking,

562
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: but I'll get something. And I was like wait what,

563
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: like wait what so that's fairly recent, right like two years?

564
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: Three years?

565
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 4: It's been over three years?

566
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: Wow?

567
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So I do want to talk about that because

568
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I've never been like a big drinker, but I am

569
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: someone that's like I don't drink at home, like I

570
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: have certain rules around it, but when I go out,

571
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: I mean, one hundred percent, I want a glass of wine.

572
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: I want But I want to know what took you there,

573
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: because clearly it's working, and it's I think made you

574
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: even clearer and safer and happier and more peaceful.

575
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: But tell me.

576
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: About that, absolutely well.

577
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 3: It was so interesting because this was it was a

578
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: month before my birthday. I'm going to take you guys

579
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: back to It was November twenty nineteen, and after every

580
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: meditation practice I would just have these I mean, it's

581
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 3: really crazy what happens when you have a consistent practice.

582
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: And that's why I am so passionate about it because

583
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, you don't understand I was not this person.

584
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: Right sure, I'm telling you right now.

585
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: And I can also revert back to squar one.

586
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: Real quick if I don't sure, stay with you, know which,

587
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: By the way, I love that part of myself too,

588
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: like don't mess with me. It's good to have it

589
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: in there when you need to access it, but I

590
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: prefer to be more grounded or not completely fiery. But

591
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: after every meditation I would literally feel this kind of

592
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 3: like intuitive feeling of like get clear, I get clear.

593
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: I was just about to launch my app. I had

594
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: a few websites at this point, but I was relaunching

595
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: like a brand new website with an app. I had

596
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: never had an app before, so I just kept thinking, Okay,

597
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: it's time to get clear.

598
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: I'm launching the app.

599
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: It's time, you know, and I just instead of One

600
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 3: thing I've learned to do is when you hear those calls,

601
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: because we all hear them, usually they're whispers and then

602
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 3: they turn into cries sometimes when it gets to the

603
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: point where you're just like not listening, and then a

604
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: lot of the time I think that is when certain

605
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: things happen in people's lives because they didn't listen to

606
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: that like strong intuitive knowing or feeling.

607
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 4: So I just said to myself, I was like, you

608
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: know what.

609
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: And it was funny because I had like drank the

610
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: night before and it wasn't feeling great. And I'm talking

611
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: like a couple of drinks, as I had built a

612
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: mindful of relationship with alcohol. But I was like, I

613
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: am just going to take the next thirty days to

614
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: get crystal clear with myself.

615
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: You know, my birthday's coming up, so I.

616
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: Took those thirty days, and the thirty days turned into

617
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: sixty days, ninety days. And the reason why is because

618
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: I liked the way that I felt. I just felt

619
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: this overall clarity. I felt a production of anxiety, which

620
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: for me was like a major culprit for even just

621
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: trying life without alcohol. Plus, listen, I'm a product of alcoholics.

622
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: You know, alcoholism runs in the bloodline. So I'm strong.

623
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: That's a strong one. Yeah, And I've always been able

624
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: to recognize my own addictive personality with whatever it is.

625
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: So yeah, it just turned into this thing.

626
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: And then the pandemic hit and it was like it

627
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: was so crazy because I was like, all this time

628
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: I thought it was like the app and like, I don't.

629
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I know people can sound crazy, but now

630
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: I look back and I'm like, no, Like I was

631
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: like getting prepared for something that no one could be

632
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: freaking prepared for.

633
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: But there was just this I don't know. Instead of

634
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: like living in.

635
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: The forest, I was like leaning into the flow of

636
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: what I was feeling, which is how I do everything.

637
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: I have to feel that way.

638
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 3: And the most unfortunate time in the world, I was

639
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: mentally prepared for how to handle something that I don't

640
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: know that I would have, you know, been able to

641
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: handle it the way that I did because I wasn't drinking.

642
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: And you know, it was a massive silver lining to

643
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: be able to be like set up in a place

644
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: digitally where I was able to share this work with

645
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: so many people when we needed it most.

646
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: One hundred like one hundred percent. And I think it's why,

647
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: because I think so many businesses didn't survive in the

648
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: pandemic because they didn't know how to be And I

649
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: think that in that moment again, that's when I saw

650
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: you and I just was like, yes, she one hundred percent,

651
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: this is who we need.

652
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not someone.

653
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: That's a big exerciser. I'm not someone that meditates. I'm

654
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: not the person. But I was like, I get her,

655
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Like I get her. She sees all of us. She's

656
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: nutty like all of us, she owns her.

657
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: Nuttiness like all of us. Like, oh yeah, it's different.

658
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: And I think, but I think not drinking does provide clarity.

659
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: And what I do want to point out is what

660
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: I've realized recently, and I said this to Roger, I

661
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Speaker 1: cannot believe how many friends I have that I've discovered

662
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: over the last few months that are sober since the

663
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: pandemic became sober after the pandemic, because like, if you

664
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: didn't do that just before the pandemic, that could have

665
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: gone another way, right because everyone, sure, everyone that was

666
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: prone to drinking went so excessively in the pandemic. Everyone

667
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: I know, honestly, I know, and so obviously you saw

668
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: something without knowing that you saw something.

669
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 4: I know.

670
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: It's and like even today, I'm like, it's been over

671
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: three years. I was at dinner last night with my

672
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: girlfriend who hasn't drunk in nineteen years. I used to

673
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: I literally told her, I'm like I used to think

674
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: like there was no way your life was fun. I

675
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: actually was like, how is scheduling anything? And what I've

676
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: learned to really understand through this process is like I

677
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: actually enjoy my life and everything in front of me

678
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: in such a bigger way.

679
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 4: And it's and by the way, I.

680
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: Also have zero judgment for people, like if you choose

681
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: to drink or do your thing. I do, however, have

682
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: something to say where it's just become this massive norm

683
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: on social media to really glamorize and just broadcast the

684
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: hangovers and this, and I just think it's important for

685
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: these younger generations to know, like there's actually there's a

686
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: different way, and like there is a movement towards living

687
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: life like with more of a clear head and a

688
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 3: clear mind, and like that's also very cool. Like it's

689
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: really freaking cool to wake up feeling good on a

690
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: Saturday and a Sunday.

691
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: I have to tell you, enjoying the whole damn day.

692
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 4: There ain't nothing cooler than that.

693
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: By the way, especially with two very young children.

694
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: I do not care what you did the night before,

695
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: much fun you.

696
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: Had, and you feel exactly That's what's really kept me going.

697
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: And I always say too, and like I could choose

698
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: to have a drink tomorrow, I don't know. I just

699
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: know right now this is working. This is really supporting me.

700
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: And it's yeah, I'm able to manage things differently. I

701
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: have more calm, which god I know I need.

702
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: I need.

703
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: But we so okay, So you're living your wildest dreams

704
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: right now, beyond right, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

705
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: I know that, But this is what I think. I

706
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: actually think that you haven't even scratched the surface of

707
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: what is to come. And I it's like, even just

708
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: knowing you for a few years, it's like you have

709
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: so much that you're going to do still. But I think,

710
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: I think what I would love to know is sort

711
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 1: of like, what is your dream like? What I mean,

712
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm someone that doesn't over planned my life, right, so

713
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't I don't set those in twenty twenty five.

714
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing that either, But what's your like mindset? Now

715
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: as you sit here? Are you able to enjoy where

716
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: you are? Or are you like, oh my god, what's

717
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: that I'm doing this?

718
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: This is no.

719
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: That's I think it's so important to really sit with

720
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: this conversation because we're always looking oh oh and having

721
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: you ask me my living my wildest dreams. I am

722
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: living beyond my wildest dreams at this moment, and yes,

723
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: like I love what I do, I really truly love it.

724
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 4: I love my life.

725
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 3: I love the simplicity of the days where I don't

726
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: have the trips planned and the things to do.

727
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: I just like the way that I live my life.

728
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: I'm really proud of how I show up, of how

729
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: I treat myself, of how I treat everyone.

730
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: In my life.

731
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: And while I feel so good, I have so many

732
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: things that I desire, and like, that's what I really

733
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: hold on to it like that, I'm like, I have deep,

734
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: deep desires of really stepping in as a thought leader

735
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: and a motivational speaker in an even bigger way and

736
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: really just spreading this message as far and as wide

737
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: as I possibly can, with as many people as I can,

738
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: Because what I think about is like I think of

739
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: my seven year old self looking out that window of

740
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: like the tiny little house that I grew up in,

741
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: and then crying out the window and feeling like nothing in.

742
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: Life as possible.

743
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: I truly thought some people were lucky. Nothing came easy,

744
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that it doesn't come to me

745
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: before that I'm not lucky. I recognize my privilege and

746
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 3: my luck. However, I believe that when you align your

747
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: actions to support the life that you want for yourself,

748
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: beyond that sky is the limit. And I am living

749
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: group of that, and I just I'm really excited. I'm

750
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: excited to write my book. I'm excited to me we

751
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: have a series one day, you know, I'm really excited

752
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 3: about the endless possibilities. But I'm really present with what's

753
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 3: in front of me, and I don't lose sight of

754
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: like what has me here?

755
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: And the most important thing.

756
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: Is always like giving back to my members, my community

757
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: that started this all, And that's truly what has been

758
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: my focus for these you know, past handful of years.

759
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: It continues to be, is like how can we improve

760
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: everything that we've built?

761
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: How can we continue giving more providing more value?

762
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: And I think living in that way is where it

763
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: just opens the doors and that life synchronicities just start

764
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: to connect in the most unexpected of ways because you're

765
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: truly living in the flow.

766
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 4: And I have to live in the flow.

767
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 3: As soon as something feels out of alignment or force

768
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: for me, I know I can't do it because I

769
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: think so many people, you know, pay attention to like

770
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: what's going on, what is everybody else doing?

771
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: The trends, the things, and they lose sight of themselves.

772
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you have to stay authentic to like.

773
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: Like what has me here?

774
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 3: Like I'm so you know, it's like really honing in

775
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: on your authentic voice and not trying to be and

776
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: do what everybody else is doing.

777
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: There's space for everybody. Oh yeah, there is space for everybody,

778
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: and not everybody's going to love you, and that's Okay,

779
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: that's why there's space for everybody that's a big learning

780
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: too you and I imagine the answer is yes to this.

781
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: And I don't ask everyone this question, but I definitely

782
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: would want to ask you this. I personally experienced this

783
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: throughout my entire career even still today. But have you

784
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 1: had people in your life who wanted to see you fail,

785
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: who wanted to kick you down, who wanted to have

786
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: you canceled before canceling was a thing?

787
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: Is there? Have you let the hate in? And is

788
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: that was that part of.

789
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: Your struggle to get to your place that you're in now,

790
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: like or did you have people that were, like Melissa,

791
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: you got that?

792
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: Like?

793
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Who was I think one part of the question is

794
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: have you had those people that tried.

795
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: To knock you down?

796
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: And conversely, did you have one person that was like,

797
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: you got this?

798
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: I know you got this. Go, I'm going to help you.

799
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to be your cheerleader because you

800
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: don't have one, right, like, who was that person?

801
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: If there was one?

802
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm so lucky to have married

803
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: like my mentor, like Noah is just he has taught

804
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: me so much about life and business and even just

805
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: in our relationship, and it's interesting, he's he's such a

806
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: sound word for me, but we're also so different, and.

807
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: Which is good businesses which is good? Are so different.

808
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: So while you know, I'll go to him and just,

809
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: I always say, he gives me like the one thing

810
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: that like money cannot buy, and that's just the most

811
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: incredible advice. He gives great advice. He has amazing experiences. However,

812
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't always take his advice. I really listened to

813
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: myself and I have, without a doubt, had those people

814
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: in my life who unfortunately, you know, it's like they

815
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: can latch on because they're really good at that.

816
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 4: But I have a really strong sense and.

817
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: As soon as I now, yeah, before I do, I've

818
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 3: always had a really strong, like intuitive sense since I

819
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 3: was really really little.

820
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: Same but didn't you let them in any way?

821
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: I did too. I did. And then when I when

822
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: I get to the.

823
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: Point of like I see it, I really like I detached,

824
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: would love same same.

825
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: It's like red flag warnings.

826
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and sometimes it takes a few times, but for me,

827
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 3: I've really gotten into the place of no longer feeling

828
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: like I need to give myself to everyone, my time

829
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: is so precious. That's like the most precious thing we

830
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: all have is like our time where you choose suspend it.

831
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: And I have gotten really good with my nose like

832
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 3: crystal clear, and I don't feel that and I don't

833
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: give big explanations like I used to good.

834
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: I think that's again I want to talk about that

835
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: because I think.

836
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: That's a lot of the I think that's a lot

837
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: of turning forty.

838
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't put it as an age, I just mean

839
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: in that space because my dad taught me as a

840
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: serial entrepreneur. My dad always taught me that confidence comes

841
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: with experience. Because my twenty something self just working twenty

842
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: four to seven for probably fifteen years straight. My dad

843
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: used to I was to be like Dad, when am

844
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: I going to stop like getting nervous on every shoot

845
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: that I walk into as if it's my last job, right?

846
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: And my dad would always say, confidence only comes with experience.

847
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: It just only comes with experience. And it's true.

848
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's life too, where forty becomes this

849
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: different game, it's a different playing field, and it's like, Nope,

850
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I have this much time and these are this is

851
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: what's allowed in it, right, right? And you lose some

852
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: of that guilt, right, you lose some of that guilt

853
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: about walking away from a situation or a person who's

854
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: toxic or whatever. And so okay, So Noah, I do

855
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: want to touch on Noah because you know, I've known

856
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: him for so many years. But I want to say

857
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: that I think one of the beautiful things about Noah

858
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: is he's like on top of his game, and like,

859
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: how long has he been doing what he does?

860
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: Right?

861
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Noah is one of the original club restaurants.

862
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like a master at what he does.

863
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: And so many of the people in that industry go

864
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: like more really high and then they crash. He's just

865
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: what twenty five years later, I don't even know what

866
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: I yeah, but around that and he's clear, and he's kind,

867
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: and he's smart and he works so freaking hard. But like,

868
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: I also think to have him as a safe person

869
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: and mentor, let alone your husband and father of your

870
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: children is a beautiful thing.

871
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it is. He's the best.

872
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: But I also think you are a fiery force of

873
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: your own And be clear, I know who the boss

874
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: is in that house, but I just want to say

875
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. I love what you do.

876
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I love that you have created a space for so

877
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: many women with every background, with every upbringing, with every

878
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, every different way that they choose to live

879
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: their lives. And I think you've made a very safe

880
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: place to speak freely about anxiety, about eating disorders, about struggles,

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00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: about daily life being terrifying, and those moments. But also,

882
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing without sounding really like,

883
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: you know, cliche, but like learning to love yourself, because

884
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: I do believe that. You know, it's funny because I'll

885
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 1: always call you Melissa.

886
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: At Health like I just will because we all just.

887
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Got called our Instagram names, but I do it's so

888
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: beyond it's funny because I think about your exercise and

889
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: workout and flow as so secondary to the brand.

890
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: Weirdly, like, I know.

891
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: That that's so important and that's why everybody follows you

892
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: like a cult leader in a good way. But like,

893
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: but I think that your overall message that you live

894
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: and preach and practice and talk about and show and

895
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: very candidly share your weaker moments, I think has really

896
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: brought together this beautiful community, you know, and for someone

897
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: like me who doesn't really do that, nor do I

898
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: have a lot of actual time. I just found it

899
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: all so compelling, and then obviously when I got to

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00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: actually meet you, I was like, oh my god, I

901
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: already love you, you know, So I just I really believe

902
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: in what you're doing. I really, I think so many

903
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: people do, and I think so many people are grateful

904
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: to you for it. And I'm just excited, honestly to

905
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: see what's next. I am or just or by the way,

906
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: if you just keep doing exactly what you're doing now,

907
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: that's also just enough.

908
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 4: So thank you.

909
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful that I I'm really like, I'm grateful

910
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: every day that I choose myself. I keep choosing myself,

911
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: and I keep choosing to do things to strengthen not

912
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: only my body, And I think that's why a lot

913
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: of people come to them to be wage, just because

914
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: they want the strength and their body.

915
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 4: But I think what has.

916
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: Really kept our community growing and thriving and no longer

917
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: just surviving is that they find the strength within themselves

918
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: and their mind that they never even new as possible.

919
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: And it's just the message that I want to keep

920
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: sharing because I just I believe so strongly in it,

921
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 3: and I believe that we all have the power to

922
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: do things beyond our wildest dreams when we connect to

923
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Speaker 3: our truest self and we really learn to love ourselves

924
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 3: as like crazy as that sounds like.

925
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: Oh, it's actually that. It's challenge, I think in life

926
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: for us place it is and.

927
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: When people give you compliments to accept it, to take

928
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 3: things in and yeah, it's a lot of learnings. But

929
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: I love the ride, I really do. I love the journey.

930
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: There's no final destination for me, like this is all

931
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: just all encompassing. What you know makes me has made

932
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 3: me come to life in a way that I never

933
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: even knew was possible.

934
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Speaker 1: Well, I love it, and so does everybody. So I'm

935
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: happy to have you on because you are by far

936
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: just one of the best examples of climbing in heels,

937
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: even though you know you guys don't know Melissa, but

938
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: she's like five ten, so she's not me tails.

939
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: But no, I'm five nine, you guys, And I threw

940
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: an inch from my workouts. I was always five eight.

941
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: Every modeling agency was like, you're too short. This is

942
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: like back fifteen years now, I'm five to nine at

943
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 3: forty so I grew stop it.

944
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 4: Where to god, that's where too crazy.

945
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: If we needed we needed another We needed another reason.

946
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 2: We need another reason to look as I.

947
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: As I start to sit up straight, you're making me

948
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: so straight, full sold is back, belly.

949
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: Button in doing your whole lot of changes when your

950
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: posture opens up.

951
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: I love you, madly. I love talking to you.

952
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: I can talk to you for four days, but I

953
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: do have to let you get back to your life.

954
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you. I hope to spend

955
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Speaker 1: a lot of time with you this summer.

956
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm so excited.

957
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: To have a beautiful day.

958
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me, Rachel.

959
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: Love you madly. I love you, Bye sweets.

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00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I just want to thank my friend Melissa for

961
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast and talking about very candidly, very

962
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: vulnerably and just really honest about the struggles, the challenges

963
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: and the triumphs, which there are many throughout her life,

964
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: and how she very bravely has faced them and overcome them,

965
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: and how she has such incredible peace and confidence now,

966
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: but that she really maintains a very very strict practice

967
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: to sort of maintain her sense of calm and peace

968
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Speaker 1: and safety within her own life. She's truly just so impressive.

969
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: She's incredibly fierce and powerful. She is she likes to

970
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: say bossy, I like to say strong, but she's also

971
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: very very open and vulnerable and really honest with all

972
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: of us about her journey, the things she was ashamed of,

973
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: the things she was scared of, the things she struggled with,

974
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: and really talks about her very honest journey to get

975
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Speaker 1: where she is now. And quite frankly, I think this

976
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: is really just the beginning for her and she's just amazing.

977
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: I love what she's built, I follow her, and I

978
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: think she's just extraordinary all around. If you want more

979
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: Climbing in Heels content, follow me on at Rachel Zo

980
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: and at Climbing Heels Pod on Instagram for more updates

981
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: on upcoming guests, episodes, and of course all things Curetor.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you all next week.

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Speaker 3: Dificult Peoples