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Speaker 1: assets on behalf of investors or banks. I had a

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Speaker 1: college today, but the head of the Golfing Union of Ireland,

431
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Speaker 1: which is the governing body of of golf for Ireland

432
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Speaker 1: both north and South and the UK, is mandating different

433
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Speaker 1: closures than the Republic and that causes a bit of

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Speaker 1: a conflict there. But I did say to him that

435
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Speaker 1: if we get in as part of this loosening up

436
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Speaker 1: on the early May, you know, I reckon thirty courses

437
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Speaker 1: probably won't open if it goes to the first of July.

438
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Speaker 1: You're probably talking, are wow Now. I suspect though that

439
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: the courses that that that you guys come over and

440
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: play are not the ones we're talking about. These are

441
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Speaker 1: the domestic bread and butter golf courses that the average guy.

442
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Speaker 1: We have seven hundred thousand people here who are on

443
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Speaker 1: state support from two hundreds or half a million people

444
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: have gone on state support here, and the government here

445
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: has been very quick to offer small business support. So

446
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: that is staving off some of the the the armygadon

447
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: of of of shedding jobs. It's it's giving us ninety

448
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: days too to buy time to see if we can

449
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: get back open. So I guess it's probably easier when

450
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: you're in a small boat as opposed to it the battleship,

451
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of small boats. John Ashworth, who took

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Speaker 1: over the lease and is the overseer of all things

453
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Speaker 1: goth Hill Park in addition to a small business like

454
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Speaker 1: Links Soul, you're you're you're trying to keep this this

455
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Speaker 1: little boat known as the goat Hill Park afloat um.

456
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Speaker 1: How's it going, John? Well, we, uh, we closed on

457
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Speaker 1: March up until then we've kept you know, like everybody else.

458
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Speaker 1: This thing was such a kind of caught everybody off guarden.

459
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: It kind of came in waves to where okay, you know,

460
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: well we'll not have people, uh pick head touch the flagsticks.

461
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 1: Then we'll take away the rags and then you know,

462
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: we we we we kind of whittled it down to

463
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: where we had when we were open. The last week

464
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: we were you had to book online, you had to

465
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Speaker 1: pay online. We were just doing on sums um walking only, yeah,

466
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: walking only. Uh and uh you know you could literally,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, come out to the course and not get

468
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Speaker 1: within twenty ft of a human being, you know, and

469
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Speaker 1: play golf. And it was it was actually working. We

470
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Speaker 1: we were we were booked. We were booked from seven

471
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Speaker 1: thirty in the morning until five five o'clock at night.

472
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Speaker 1: And we're doing nine whole loops, so we can you know,

473
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Speaker 1: people could play eight team, but they had to book

474
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Speaker 1: both nines. But anyway, it was you know, I was

475
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Speaker 1: all for doing whatever the consensus of the government wanted

476
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Speaker 1: to so, you know, again, like you guys say, I mean,

477
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Speaker 1: it was safety first, for the for the for our employees,

478
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Speaker 1: and for the and for the customers, and that was

479
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Speaker 1: first and foremost. And we were one of the last

480
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Speaker 1: counties in San Diego County to be open. But when

481
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Speaker 1: it came down to shut we you know, obviously, okay,

482
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Speaker 1: we'll shut it. And you know, and we're we're a

483
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, public daily fee, you know, small green fee,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, low overhead situation and uh no food and beverage,

485
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: really no food and beverage. So you know, for us,

486
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: it was it was pretty easy to manage, and I

487
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: felt like we had the safest possible environment. But now

488
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: it's you know, two weeks later, which feels like about

489
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: three months to be honest with you, Uh, you know,

490
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Speaker 1: we've I've had to cut back some staff, uh, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: and but the cool thing about got Hill Park is

492
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: it's such a community spirit. And uh so we've got

493
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Speaker 1: a few projects going on just to make the course better.

494
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I got people coming out of the

495
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: woodwork just to just to volunteer to pull weeds, you know.

496
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: So it's it's from that point of view, it's pretty cool.

497
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's it's crazy times. I hope, I

498
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: hope we can get back after it. From what you know,

499
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Speaker 1: I think things will totally be different for the next

500
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Speaker 1: foreseeable future in terms of safety. And I agree with

501
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Speaker 1: pass On. You know, you're gonna see a lot more

502
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: people walking playing golf, which is a great thing. Uh

503
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: and we may be walking only for a while. It

504
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: could be looked at as planned recreation, you know, like

505
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: very disciplined recreation for people. So you know, if we

506
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: all do it right, if we if we practice the

507
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: safety measures, the it's you know, it's it's beneficial for

508
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: the for the community and for the health and recreation

509
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: for people. You know, I can't help knowing what we

510
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: know and seeing what we see, and you know, put

511
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: golf at its core of its culture is about policing

512
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: yourself just at the at the base of all this integrity. Um,

513
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Speaker 1: you know, Josh, you know, for someone who says, you know,

514
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Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about golf, what does golf mean?

515
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: You know? People are dying, you know, which, of course

516
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: you know that that is the situation. But at the

517
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, don't you think that this is

518
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Speaker 1: there is a window a place for some sort of

519
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: compromise in which, yes, we can acknowledge the the health risks,

520
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: but we can also advance some slice of that economic

521
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: puzzle that allows for something to sort of go on

522
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: and operate safely as a golfer. It's frustrating because I

523
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: think we all know that, as you're saying right at

524
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the at the soul of the game is it's a

525
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: self policing game. So to think that golfers uh would

526
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: not do anything other than play by all these new

527
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: rules that all of us, as course operators and owners

528
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: are are doing. I mean we are as everyone is

529
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: here preparing our golf courses now for reopening and what

530
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: the new normal is going to become. And the frustrating

531
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Speaker 1: part is, you know, right now golf seems uh to

532
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Speaker 1: be a really safe thing. Perhaps it could be one

533
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Speaker 1: of the first things that comes back. You know, just

534
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: just yesterday in the state of Texas, the governor reversed

535
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: the closure of golf courses and allowed judges in their

536
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: own jurse stiction to decide whether golf can be open

537
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: or not. And in several counties golf reopened. That was

538
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: specific to Texas. And again every state is different and

539
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: sometimes even counties are different. But that that was a

540
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: positive sign that that state recognized, UM, not only golf

541
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: is important to the economy. UM and I think the

542
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: golf industry has done a good job in the last

543
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: few years. UM. You know, led by the p G

544
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: A and U s g A and PGA Tour, PGA

545
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: America and UH creating We Are Golf and which is

546
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: a group of you know, golf people involved in the

547
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: golf industry sharing that this is you know, a billion

548
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: dollar industry in the United States and employees you know,

549
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people. And um and is really

550
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: a safe activity to do and allows people to get

551
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: out of their house in a safe way. Still practice

552
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: social distancing, have some entertainment, have some camaraderie, have uh

553
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: the exercise that goes along with golf. And that's the

554
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: frustrating part that I think we all in the industry

555
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: realize that this is a safe thing to do, but

556
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: we're not doctors. So this is again this is science

557
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: versus the economy. But I'm hopeful that golf is one

558
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: of the first things in the economy that can can

559
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: reopen and give people an outlet party. I think you

560
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: sent me this article as well. Australia will will allow

561
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: golf and tennis to open and on May one, acknowledging

562
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and identifying these two sports is something other than you know,

563
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: rugby and soccer or whatever else they may be. Uh.

564
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: And and to your point of Josh, having these conversation

565
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: of what the new normal is, does it feel like

566
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: we're we're inching closer to something that's that's sensible. I

567
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: think so. I think, like clearly, I think that golf.

568
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Golf will be one of the first to return. I

569
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: don't see people, you know, rushing to the cinema or

570
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, jumping on a plane. First thing. I don't

571
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: see people, you know, going to a Pact concert, But

572
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: I do see people go to the golf course if

573
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: they're allowed. I mean a lot of the lot of

574
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: the steps we've taken and part of it that the

575
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: operating procedures we're putting forward and we're going to widely

576
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: circulate them is basically members and member of guests only

577
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: and getting all the contact details for contact tracing and

578
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: people not traveling to the golf course together and make

579
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: it absolutely irrefutable the golf can be executed in the

580
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: safe manner where you don't need to go anywhere, you know,

581
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: paying payment online. As Josh said, I mean the catering

582
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: is gone pretty much at the pro shop. I mean

583
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: basically keeping people at the door of the building. So

584
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: I hope. Well, I was talking to, as I said,

585
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: some of the Gulf officials today, they taught that golf

586
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: slipping in under the the early opening here on the

587
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: fifth and may could be a bit optimistic, and I said, well,

588
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: we've got to try harder, because you know, there's no

589
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: reason that can't be. I mean there's a lot of

590
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: a lot of posts going around the social media now

591
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: about people standing in queues and walmarts and and and

592
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: supermarkets and you know, a single gulf of walking down

593
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: the fairway. It absolutely makes no sense. So hopefully we

594
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: can get that message across and I think it's it's

595
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: a hold to all of us to keep pushing hard

596
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: on that, you know, really really hard on on the

597
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: simple facts, the the new normal passion. What what do

598
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: you what do you? What do you envision on what

599
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: we call quote new normal coming on the back end

600
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, we're working on a lot of that

601
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: right now, between hotel operations, food and beverage operations. You know,

602
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: hope of your meetings right now shifting to sort of

603
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, the future. Yeah, that was actually a theme

604
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: of a meeting today. I'd likened to going through the

605
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: five stages of grief, you know who we've we're going

606
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: down this this slope and and we've kind of bottomed out.

607
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: And now as I drove into the office this morning,

608
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: people were out. We were beginning to plant flowers as

609
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: you approached the Pineers Clubhouse. And so they gave me,

610
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: they gave me hope. You know, we're we're planning flowers

611
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: right now, anticipating the arrival of guests, and we're trying

612
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: to decide what are the things that that those guests

613
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: are gonna expect. The most important thing that someone said

614
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: this morning is if people were coming here, they're coming

615
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: by choice. So Let's remember that they're coming because they

616
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: want to and it's our obligation to make sure that

617
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: they're safe. But but we need to be anticipating what

618
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: are the new things that they're going to expect from?

619
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, again back to hotel operations. Do you does

620
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the bellman, you know, get us involved in unpacking your

621
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: car as he once did. Do you throw the keys

622
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: to the ballet or or do you have a whole

623
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: different expectation of what you want from a From a

624
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: housekeeping standpoint, you know, something is as crazy as do

625
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: you expect your room to have been empty for forty

626
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: eight hours? Uh? You know, do you want to do

627
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: you want to check in right after someone has checked out?

628
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: And what are the cleaning procedures and protocols? And almost

629
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: that you know that safety band as you enter your

630
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: room that gives you that sense of security. Okay, this

631
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: room has been cleaned. I've never been a glass glassware

632
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: guy in the bathroom, but you know, forget about that

633
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: disposable cups. You know, you I want to rip the

634
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: plastic off of the cup and know that that I'm

635
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: the first one to touch it. So there's just a

636
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: myriad of things like that that we're going through. I

637
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: think the least of of our our time is going

638
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: to be spent on golf. You know, as we've said,

639
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: the golf is outdoors, it's natural spacing. Maybe it'll be

640
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: more geared towards walking the golf cart protocols maybe a

641
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: little different, But I think we're going to be spending

642
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: a lot more time figuring out what does a guest

643
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: want from a food and beverage standpoint, What are we

644
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: allowed to do? And what do you expect of your

645
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: your accommodations when you check into a hotel? What about

646
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Where does maintenance come in all this? Where is the

647
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: staff that actually you know, huddles in the maintenance barn?

648
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: And how you know there's this there's the underbelly of

649
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: golf that is that is necessary? How how? How you know?

650
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 1: A lot of people keep saying keep you know that

651
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: it's the maintenance that's the problem. It's the superintendent, the

652
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: staff and the crew that manage the golf that's the

653
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: problem is And I've worked on maintenance crews. You know,

654
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: it's a pretty isolated for the most part. If you

655
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: get on your machine or you go to your part

656
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: of the golf course, it can be a pretty isolated experience.

657
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: I never was working shoulder to shoulder with a large

658
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: group people. We may huddle back in the same barn,

659
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: but Josh, what's how do how are you managing all

660
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: of that from a from a from a staff standpoint, Yeah,

661
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think what we're working with our superintendent's

662
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: where our company is organized as we have regional agronomous

663
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: all over the country that helped lead their superintendents at

664
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: at each property. And and really what it's all about

665
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: for us is coming up with the best practices. So um,

666
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, just for example, for a superintendent calling there,

667
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: uh their crew in and saying this, this is when

668
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you set up and get you set

669
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: up to go out into your spot on the golf course,

670
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: and whether that's going one at a time or three

671
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: at a time and everyone's staying ten feet apart um,

672
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: but getting them their daily instructions and getting them out

673
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: on the golf course when they need to be out

674
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: on the golf course. It's really not necessary to have

675
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: everybody you know. Of course, during normal operation, Yeah, there's

676
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: team building. There's occasionally team lunches together, uh, team meetings,

677
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: Safety meetings, all those things, and a lot of those

678
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: can be carried out in in different ways where you're

679
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: practicing social distance, and that's you know, that's what it's

680
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: all about. And you know, there's right down the you know,

681
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: of course, is that you know, in seasonal areas in

682
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 1: the Midwest and mid Atlantic that are just getting ready

683
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: to open, where we have really small you know, hopefully

684
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: you can keep your superintendents and typically you need to

685
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: keep your mechanic and maybe a couple of people. We

686
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: have a lot bigger crews now, but you know, maybe

687
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you're using some growth regulators on the on the golf course,

688
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: so you just don't have as much mowing to do. Um,

689
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: you know. So there's there's best practices that we try

690
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: and give all our superintendents again just to manage the

691
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: best way they can to get through this. I heard

692
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: stream Song redoing their greens on the Red and the

693
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: Blue at a time in which you would have had

694
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: a jam packed t sheet making a choice to say

695
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: maybe we can Hey, we're zero we're zeroed out. We

696
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: might as well spin it into some sense of positive

697
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: because we can. Right yeah, you know, I think there

698
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: are there are some silver lining good stories if you will.

699
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: There's way more many bad stories and good stories. But

700
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, it is a time where if you were

701
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: planning to do some improvements to your golf course, even

702
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: if they're smaller agronomic things where you wanted to arrify

703
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: all your fairways, you know, the golf courses that that

704
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: are going to come out of this, okay, that have budgets,

705
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: that have capital funds. Now is a great time to

706
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: get projects done. Um, whether you're closed or partly closed.

707
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: And we all know, as Tom said, you know ten restaurants.

708
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: That's a part of the experience that people want when

709
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: they come to a golfers or obviously so even if

710
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: the golf course is open, which stream song right now,

711
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: the black courses open, but really things are closed down

712
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: for the for the most part. So it's a good time.

713
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna regrass the greens on the Red and the

714
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: Blue course. So when we you know, again no one

715
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: knows exactly when we're gonna open, but in theory open

716
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: next fall with you know, perfect putting greens that at

717
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: all three courses, and so now it's a good time

718
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: to do it. If if you can't, okay, well, Lou

719
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Lou Thompson Forest Dunes. Just going back to you for

720
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: a second. You know you've you've had this momentum at

721
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: for students, obviously the loop of reversible routing and now

722
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: the investment into a new short course. You were telling

723
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: me you were your bookings were up se from last year. Yeah,

724
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: at the end of end of February, our book endo

725
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: was up sevent over last year at the same time.

726
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: And last year was a good year. Last year was

727
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: a good year. And uh, you know today, UM, a

728
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: lot of this is big groups, corporate groups that were

729
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: expecting to lose some of them just because a lot

730
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: of them flying in from all over different states. We

731
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: don't expect that to happen. Uh, do we know how

732
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: much we're gonna lose. No, we don't. Um, we just

733
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: have no idea and it's Tom. Tom will tell um

734
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: what the end results it's gonna be. I mean, we're

735
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna be prepared, We're gonna be ready, We're gonna have

736
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: the course machen, We're gonna put in every safety percaution

737
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: we can. Uh. I feel like you're golf in northern Michigan.

738
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean we're sitting on guarteen hundred acres in the

739
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: middle of eight hundred thousand acre National Forest. I wish

740
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: I was there today instead of where I'm at today.

741
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: I can't think of a safer place I'd rather be

742
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: than not there. Uh. And if we put in all

743
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: the practical things that we should do to help, you know,

744
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: come back this virus potential, Um, you know, we could

745
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: have a good year. John. How much? How much longer

746
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: can you can you? Si? Dana? And are you getting

747
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: help from the City of Oceanside? Are you able to

748
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: apply for some of of what's being offered in terms of, uh,

749
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: you know, support for small businesses and how is that going?

750
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: Not at the moment, no help from the city. And

751
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: uh having a tough time getting the payroll protection program

752
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: in place with my bank anyway, So that's been very frustrating. Um.

753
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm hoping to see us back up and

754
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: going as soon as possible, but I'm kind of gearing

755
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: for June one for some reason. Um, and we should

756
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: will be all right. Uh, you know, if it goes

757
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: much longer than let's say, July, it's not looking real good.

758
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: I have to figure out some sort of creative financing

759
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: just to you know, pull things together. But you know,

760
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. You know, I'm an optimist, you know,

761
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: I know this thing is tough on everybody, but I

762
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: know that golf is h It's such an important game

763
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: to so many people, and it is resilient, and it's

764
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: going to be part of the healing process once we

765
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: do get back and be able to go outside and

766
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: and sort of interact with people once again. So it's

767
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: a very important game to society and to humanity. Uh

768
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: So we just all have to band together and pull

769
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: through this thing. Passion In terms of getting creative, I

770
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: know you you guys, you got creative, created an online

771
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: auction and raised over three hundred thousand dollars for your employees.

772
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about that and how that you know,

773
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: what came of that, and now where is that? Where's

774
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: that going? Yeah? That was that was a lot of fun.

775
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: That was a bright light when things were pretty dark

776
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: around us um started out. You know, it got very

777
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: personal when we had to say hopefully a temporary goodbye

778
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: to a lot of our employees. So so necessity got

779
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: our minds churning, and on a whim, we threw up

780
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: some t times on course number two on on our

781
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: Facebook page to have a little auction, twenty four hour

782
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: auction and see if people would would buy them, with

783
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: the proceeds going to help employees. And and you know,

784
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: a couple of people paid a thousand dollars for a

785
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: forsome on number two, and so the lightbulb went off.

786
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: While we've got an opportunity here to do something really neat,

787
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: and so we we began brainstorming. He's once in a

788
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: lifetime Pinehurs experiences that we wanted to auction off. Um.

789
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: We did things like a weekend stay in the Donald

790
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Ross cottage, dorn At Cottage with three rounds of golf.

791
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: We we were inspired by by Riggs escape to Pinehurst,

792
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: and we put together a package where you could pay

793
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: play all ten courses over six nights. Um, we put

794
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: together something this was great. Gil Hants agreed to come

795
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: and play pine ER's number four, the course he redesigned

796
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: with a forsome. Bill Core agreed to walk pine ER's

797
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: number two with a forsome and explain the architectural details

798
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: that Donald Ross put together. So just we we have

799
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: our brewer, our head brewer is gonna co cobrew a

800
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: beer with someone who auctioned or bid on this auction item,

801
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: so really neat unique experiences specific to Pinehurst, the Dorknet cottage,

802
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: for instance, Donald Ross's house sold for dollars. So one,

803
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: it was great fun to put these items together too.

804
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: It was great to see the generosity of people what

805
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: they were willing to do to help the little guy,

806
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: to help our employees who are in in great need.

807
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: And and three the creativity of of what we were

808
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: able to put together with so much fun. So we

809
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: we have extended healthcare coverage for all of our employees

810
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: through the month of May. Originally we were gonna we

811
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: were gonna get through April and decide. Now we can

812
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: tell them they're they're covered through the end of May.

813
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: Um we're delivering care packages to our employees once a week.

814
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: They come by the hotel and we're giving them food

815
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: and essentials, and we really been able to supplement those efforts.

816
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: UH This past week we we gave Little UH an

817
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Easter meal and some Easter egg decorating supplies and it

818
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: was neat to see our employees use those. And then

819
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: we have an employee Relief Fund where employees and the

820
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: greatest need can go to their fellow employees who control

821
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: a pool of resources and they make grants and gifts

822
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: and are helping people. So, like I said, it was

823
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: a bright light during a time of great darkness. And

824
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: more than anything, it reminded us that our employees are

825
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: are the reason people come to Pinehers. Yeah, they're nine

826
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: golf courses in great hotels, but its their interactions with

827
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: our staff that are become lifetime memories. And it was

828
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: great to see people step up the way that they

829
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: did to support our folks when we need them. I know.

830
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: You know, caddies is something that's that's brought up a

831
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: lot independent contractors. Obviously pineheers for students a lot of

832
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: courses in Ireland as you know, junior caddy academies. But

833
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: then you go Josh to Abandon and stream Song and

834
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: some of these, some of these places you know, and

835
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: people say, oh what you know, I got feedback like

836
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship. You know, what do I

837
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: care about caddies? Well, what we care about caddies is

838
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: as much as we care about anybody out there. They

839
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: they've moved to an area there, they work their asses off,

840
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: they enhance an experience and it just happens to be

841
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: not unlike getting your haircut. It's a it's a very

842
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: it's a very intimate relationship that you have with said

843
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: golfer as a caddy, exchanging clubs and carrying clubs and

844
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, reading putts. Where do where do caddies fit

845
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: in all this? I know a caddy fund to start

846
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: a bandon Duns that's raised over a hundred thousand dollars

847
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: right now, how do you handle and manage that? Josh?

848
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: You know, people, people may originally come to Pinehurst and

849
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: places like Bandon and Sand Valley and stream Song for

850
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: and and forest dunes of course, you know, for for

851
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: the golf courses. But the reason they come back is

852
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: the people, the relationships they build. And nobody spends more

853
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: time with the customers than the caddies. So while they

854
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, are not not employees, um, they're hired by

855
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: the golfers, and there are like lifelong relationships that are

856
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: made between golfers and their caddies. Our golfers keep more

857
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: in touch with our caddies then than anyone. You know,

858
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: this is there, this is their point of contact at

859
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: the resort. They have personal relationships with them that go

860
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: beyond just caddying. UM. So they're they're really a vital

861
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: part of our game, um where where they're used at

862
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: the at the resorts, at the clubs that have caddies

863
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: are just just a vital part of the game. So

864
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: I think, you know, seeing certainly you know, Pine Hursts

865
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: has been a leader and what they can do for

866
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: raising money. The band and Dunes caddies really started their

867
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: own fund because they started it because a lot of

868
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: customers reached out to them and said, you know, how

869
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: can we best give money? So, uh, they partnered with

870
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: a local five oh one c three abandoned so that

871
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: the money that's given can be tax deductible for people.

872
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: And like you said, I mean in the first day,

873
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: I think they're up to a hundred and fifty thousand

874
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: yesterday was maybe the first day or the day before,

875
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: and have raised up two hundred and fifty thousand bucks

876
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: to be spread amongst the you know, three hundred or

877
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: so caddies. And you know, um, there's a lot of

878
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: people in the Gulf business, whether they're hourly staff or

879
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: caddies that may live more on a on a paycheck

880
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: to paycheck or loop to loop basis, and when that

881
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: goes away, you know, hopefully they've been great squirrels and

882
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: have stocked some money away. But but how long can

883
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: that really, Like, how long can you expect someone to last?

884
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: These are hardworking people that are so vital to our

885
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: experiences and so vital to our game. You can't expect

886
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: them to have three, four or five six months of

887
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: living expenses saved up. Some of these people have families,

888
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: and and so I think you just kind of have

889
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: to do your best and try and support these things,

890
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: like the Bandoned Caddy Fund, like the Pinehers Fund. I

891
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: know the Outpost Club has something called the Outpost Foundation

892
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: raising money for caddies and locker room attendance and people

893
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: that live you know, great on tips um. So, as usual,

894
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: the golf industry is filled with a lot of great people,

895
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of great ideas, and there there's

896
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: people that want to help other people in this industry,

897
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and so I think we all need to support those

898
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: as best we can. Marty, it feels like we just

899
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: had clear, you know, just had sort of really put

900
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: two thousand two nine in the rear view mirror, and then,

901
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: as you said, overnight we're right back in the thick

902
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: of it. And even if not worse? Is um Is

903
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: there anything? You know? National Golf Foundations is for the

904
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: percent of golf courses right now are open, four up

905
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: from last week. A lot of people are quick to

906
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: say golf is dead, Golf is dying, Golf doesn't make

907
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: any sense, and yet it's so much more resilient and

908
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: so much more, so much tougher than we get a

909
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: credit for. Is that your sense from where you sit

910
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: in Ireland maintaining that sense of positive outlook? Yeah, I

911
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: would actually say that. You know, we kind of call

912
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: it the Green Jersey Brigade and after two you know,

913
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: Ireland got absolutely it's very very hard the last prosession

914
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: and we have to nationalize the bank debt and and

915
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: it was it was a horror show. So you know,

916
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: the IRISHIP have been used to struggles over the years.

917
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: I think everybody's come together and it's a Green Jersey

918
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: brigade and I think this is the honeymoon period because

919
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: subsidies that are in that flowed through much quicker than

920
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: than John had had a line too. It's been run

921
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: by the revenue over here, so you know we're getting

922
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: sevent support for anybody under thirty seven thousand for twelve weeks,

923
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: and that stays the decisions to some of the really

924
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: hard decisions that need to be made on employees. Social

925
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: distancing is here to stay in about what anybody says,

926
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: and it's a lot longer than thirty sixty nine days.

927
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: People are going to be staying clear of crowded spaces.

928
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: So I think Gold probably will be a winner. And

929
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it's up to all of us to really

930
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: make sure that when when it does open over here.

931
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: What I've been warned is that everybody's got to get

932
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: on board because if if one or two people mess

933
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: around and don't apply by the rules, then they'll shut

934
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: everybody down. Final thoughts loop. No, everyone still needs to

935
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: help support the golf industry, and I think it's good

936
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: for people to get out. Uh and you know, we

937
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: might have a good season. People have been stuck in

938
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: for three months. You know, get some exercise, go play golf,

939
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: take up golf, get your grandkids, get your brother, will

940
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: spend a day working on the golf course. Uh. That

941
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: would help the golf industry better than anyone anything else

942
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: that could happen. It's getting more people involved in golf

943
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: and getting outside and enjoying ourself or a change, John,

944
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: that that would help the soul industry, right, that whole

945
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: industry of our soul. Right. That was that's the point

946
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: you've always made, Right, It's going to be important to

947
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: uh on the whole healing process. I think of coming

948
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: out of this thing, and I think people are gonna

949
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: have a lot better attitude and just a different perspective

950
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: on having the freedom to actually play golf. You know.

951
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be Uh, It's gonna be a

952
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: liberating experience once people can come out back out to

953
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: the golf course. Any message out there to other municipals

954
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: like yourself, you know, hang in there and put your

955
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: arms around the community and really you know, sort of

956
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: bring them in, bring them into the process somehow create

957
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, so they feel they feel ownership into what

958
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, what what there is for the community. You know,

959
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an important gathering point. It's it

960
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: should be the center of more communities, to be honest

961
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: with you, golf courses, I guess past plant some flowers, right,

962
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: get ready, Matt. I'd tell you know, we we may

963
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: have gotten a little so we we had, like Lou

964
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: we were pacing to be well ahead of last year.

965
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: Last year was a record, and I maybe we were

966
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: beginning to take our success a little bit for granted.

967
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: And where I when I think about what I'm gonna

968
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: do when I see that first, you know, ate some

969
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: of folks on a buddy's trip walking up the brick

970
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: path to the clubhouse, I'm gonna be so thankful, you know,

971
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna just on my way to the next destination.

972
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to be thankful that they're here. You'll violate

973
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: all social distancing just to you. Just whatever we do,

974
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: keep Riggs away from a William Jesus. But I hope

975
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: were beginning to appreciate the little things again. You know.

976
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be thankful for what we

977
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: do have and and that feeling will last, hopefully for

978
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: a long time. Josh, he Are you guys learning something

979
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: every day from the feedback you're getting and the reflections

980
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: you're making as a company and the on the on

981
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: the wide you know sort of birth of what you

982
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, sort of the wide range of facilities. Are

983
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: you guys, just are you guys also taking some time

984
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: to kind of think about how it's going to change

985
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: your business forever. Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt I think.

986
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we're so fortunate we have got the most

987
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 1: talented management team. I'm talking about our company, Kemper Sports,

988
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 1: led by our CEO, Steve Skinner, who is I mean,

989
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: as sort of as Tom's alluding to, we're working harder

990
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: now than ever on behalf of our clients and our

991
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,479
Speaker 1: customers to figure out what this is going to look

992
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: like going forward, because, as Marty alluded to, you know,

993
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: golf may reopen, but the new normal there may you know,

994
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: are there going to be those big Monday corporate outings.

995
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: Are there going to be wet You know a lot

996
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: of these golf courses rely on other things other than

997
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: just daily fee golf and big occasions and social gatherings

998
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: and weddings, and that part of the business is gonna

999
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: be different for a long time, maybe this whole year

1000
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: and maybe in the next year. And and so thankfully

1001
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: we're led by this brilliant management team. They're learning every day,

1002
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: working hard to help our clients through this and uh

1003
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: and hopefully, you know, on the other side, we're all

1004
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: going to be stronger for it. Marty, Um any any

1005
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: words of wisdom you've seen it all. You've been in

1006
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: the golf industry your whole life. You're born into a

1007
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: into a push cart, probably into a carry bag. I guess,

1008
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: m you know, what do you got for us, buddy,

1009
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: Give us some I wasn't. I thought we were on

1010
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: the home run in to play a lot of golf,

1011
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: and the just kind of said me retired out of Waterville.

1012
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: But I guess it's one last lap of the track

1013
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: care before we do that. I think, Look, I think

1014
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, sometimes when you're in

1015
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the woods, it's very hard to see

1016
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: out through the trees. But look, I think we will

1017
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: come through it. I think I think it's six months

1018
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: we'll be looking at this in the rear view mirror.

1019
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: And I think, as as Josh, and it is a wig,

1020
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: of course, I think it's there's a lot of things

1021
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: that you know. My biggest trill every day now is

1022
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: cycling two and a half kilometers and go for a

1023
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: swim in the sea every day and I just love it.

1024
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: And so I think I think, I think it's back

1025
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: to the simple things in life. And I think are

1026
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: resident Budge. I think we're very lucky to be in

1027
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: the industry. We're in him, and I think a fraternity

1028
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: of golf will prevail um and I just can't wait

1029
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: to raise that first point of Guinness down the water

1030
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: when they let me out of the home arrest. This

1031
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: is the fire pit. And I've actually had the pleasure

1032
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: of being at a fire pit with everybody on this call,

1033
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: and in some cases at one time. Which is which

1034
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: is you know, lucky me? But actually we know your

1035
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: favorite fire pit, as you told us an episode one

1036
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: of this podcast, is at goat Hill Park right there

1037
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: off the first he I'd give anything to be there

1038
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 1: right now, one of those Irish guinnesses and and being

1039
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: surrounded by you guys. But lou what, what's your favorite

1040
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: fire pit? Well, Matton, four students have several fire pits

1041
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: were enjoyable to me. And you go up to a

1042
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: group of twenty guys from Ohau or Indiana or New

1043
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: York that's never been to a poor students and set

1044
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: around and visit with feel and get to do them.

1045
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a hard problem for me this year.

1046
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: I try to shake a d hands to day when

1047
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm at four students. That's gonna be a little problem

1048
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: this year. I don't. Yeah, do the elbow bob yeah, yeah, yeah,

1049
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: the knuckle throw, you know, just throw. We're sitting here,

1050
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, talking about our sympathy. We don't need to

1051
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: forget all the people who has lost loved once because

1052
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: of this virus. And uh, you know, we really feel

1053
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: for all these people and so unfortunate that it's affected

1054
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: so many people's lives that ever shaped form of the

1055
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: country in the world. Yeah, and and the doctors and

1056
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: nurses and first responders. It goes you know, really, it

1057
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 1: doesn't go without saying, because it's always worth saying, especially now.

1058
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: And you see these images and I can't I can't imagine. Obviously,

1059
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: I can't even come close. Um pass um favorite fire pit,

1060
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: some someplace you love to put yourself in when you're

1061
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: and your deepest and darkest moments. There's a there's a

1062
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: really nice one right behind Dornet Cottage, um Donald Ross's home.

1063
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: You get a view of the Third Green. I get

1064
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: a feeling maybe right before we reopened, we'll we'll we'll

1065
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Speaker 1: spend some time there and like like Marty said, hopefully

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: six months from now we're all looking back on this

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: and shaking our heads and thankful that we got through it,

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Speaker 1: but I could see having a little bit of introspection

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01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: there and Ross, I'm sure faced some adversity while while

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Speaker 1: he was here he didn't have the firepit. We just

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Speaker 1: put it in. But I'm probably gonna find myself there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Marty favorite fire pit, Well, we're building one in Waterville

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01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: outside a little sheep being at the back of a

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Speaker 1: little golf lodge. But what happened not sat around at

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Speaker 1: episode U in set was has actually golfling something quig

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Speaker 1: on the water and I've spent many a night there

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01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's that's when all the stories and

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: the suns and all the bullshit is it's flowing, so

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Speaker 1: that would be the one for me. Josh Um, you

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Speaker 1: make a good fire pit. I know you up like

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Speaker 1: seven Bayard. I have to say, it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: special skill of mine and something I love to do.

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, maybe there's so many I love,

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01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, you know, it's

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01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: it's not always where you are, it's who you're with.

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Speaker 1: And and one of the small silver linings about this

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01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: stay at home order and we're all or as Marty

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Speaker 1: culls it, house. The rest is getting a little bit

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Speaker 1: more time with family, and um, I should say a

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01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: lot more time with family. And it's pretty special because

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: we're all running in different directions. You know, things maybe

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01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: on a little different budget right now, but you still

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01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: have the time with your family and that can be

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Speaker 1: really special. Um. So it's really who you're with. I

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: mean the fire pits I've been around with you guys.

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Speaker 1: Obviously abandoned dunes is uh, that's my favorite place on earth,

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01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: no doubt. But just being in my backyard with my

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Speaker 1: kids around the fire pits pretty special. Alright, One last thing, Marty,

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Speaker 1: give us a good joke, Get us out of here

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: with a laugh, give us somewhere. If we are around

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01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: the fire pit, we always turned to the best joke telling.

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: Now Thompson's like one of the greatest storytellers I've ever heard,

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01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: and as she's got a good laugh. But Marty, you're

1104
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: you're like the best joke teller known demand kind. So

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01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: hit us. Hit us with a good one, would you please?

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01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: About what about how kosher does it need to be? Well,

1107
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: it's a podcast and we're around the fire pits, so

1108
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can all use a really good laugh.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: Give us one the one about along those long tail,

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01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: short legged, hard back, doubling fighting dog. I'll try to

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01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: keep it very sure. That's about these two guys. They

1112
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: go into an Irish pub and this guy is pretty

1113
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: hammered and he's sitting at the bar and the barman

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,919
Speaker 1: comes over and he knocks it laughs off the bar,

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01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: and before it reaches the ground, this dog he has

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01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: with them grabs the glass and swallows the choosing a

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01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: swallows at home and he looks over the bar of

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Speaker 1: the barman and he sees this. He's what one of

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Speaker 1: a dog is that? He said, it's a long noticed,

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Speaker 1: long tail, short legged, hard back, doubling fighting dog. Jesus.

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: So anyway, he has a chat with his brother and

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Speaker 1: he comes over. So I tell you, I'll bention the

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Speaker 1: knights Takens. We have a we have a kerry blue

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Speaker 1: out the back that will take that joke on and

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Speaker 1: we'll have a we'll have a fight. So he said,

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: it's a fighting dog. We'll have a fight out the

1127
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: back with the two dogs. So the hole the patrons,

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Speaker 1: they emptied the tail. They bet that the Knights Takings.

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Speaker 1: They go out the back and they get the carry

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Speaker 1: blue out of the shed and they pet the carry

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01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: Blue and they blow a whistle and all the bets

1132
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: are riding and outgoes to carry Blue, and it runs

1133
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: towards the long noose, long tail, short legged, hard back

1134
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: doun and fighting dog. And along those long tails, short

1135
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: thick and hard fact double and fight dog snaps his

1136
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: neck off. The capitates to carry Blue, and the two

1137
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: lads are devastated. And they woke up and they said, look,

1138
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: we've been raising fighting dogs on our eyes. But what's

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01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: one of the dog is that? He said, it's a

1140
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: long nose, long tailed, short legged, hard back doubling fighting dog.

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Speaker 1: In some countries they call them crocodiles. It sounds better.

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Speaker 1: It sounds better around the fire pit. I love you guys.

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01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: I appreciate, appreciate your time and perspective. Obviously, um you

1144
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 1: know when we say we are all in this together,

1145
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: that that goes so far beyond golf and and our lives,

1146
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: and it goes it goes global, right, So appreciate you

1147
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: guys and what you do and how you do it.

1148
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: And I hope to be around a real fire pit

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01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: in the near future. And when we do, um, well,

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: those long nose, long tailed bubble Pact short thing and

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01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 1: we'll raise one Irish Guinness Chairs Chairs. Guys, thank you

1152
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Speaker 1: go to Outpost Foundation dot org and be sure to

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Speaker 1: nation's largest domestic hunger relief organization. This podcast is produced

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