1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: To progress, you always need dissident people. You always need 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: something to disrupt and question the status quo. That is 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: the law for evolution. If everything remains the same, nothing changes, 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: nothing is challenge. You don't have life. That's just death. 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure if we didn't have this authoritarian system, even 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: if we had a democratic one, I will still be 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: a dissident. 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: From futuro media and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm Mariano Rosa. 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: Cubans of all generations are protesting against decades of a 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: one party government. Today a conversation with a young dissident 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: who's been under house arrest for over one hundred days. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: On the eleventh of July, protest videos started to spread 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: like wildfire across Cuba. On that day, Cuba saw thousands 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: of citizens taking to the streets across the country in 15 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: villages and cities, massive demonstrations that haven't been seen since 16 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: the early nineteen nineties. At the forefront were young Cubans 17 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: demanding freedom from a government that has ruled for over 18 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: sixty years. Cubans were also protesting food shortages, power cuts, 19 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: and rising prices amid the coronavirus pandemic. At least one 20 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: person died during the protests, and hundreds of Cubans were 21 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: detained on charges like instigating unrest, vandalism, and propagating COVID nineteen. 22 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: Some people underwent summary trials without access to a defense 23 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: lawyer that'supporting to international human rights organizations. The Cuban government 24 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: says detainees were processed under the law. It also blamed 25 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: hardships on US sanctions and claimed Washington and its quote 26 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: unquote allies were using social media to organize and purposely 27 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: create disruption on the island. The lamas in Crementola company 28 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: social In the three months that have followed the unrest, 29 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: the international media attention has faded away from the island 30 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: and the government has launched some economic measures to handle 31 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: the crisis, but it also issued a decree to titan 32 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: control specifically on social media. Meanwhile, as of the end 33 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: of September, more than five hundred Cubans remained detained, according 34 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: to the local and geo Gualexquo. 35 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Patria Helante sandolaes. 36 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: Carolina Barrero is a thirty four year old art historian, 37 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: and she's been out protesting over this past year. She's 38 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: also been detained several times while she's been out protesting. 39 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: She's been charged with defying the authorities in citing crime 40 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: and printing clandestine flyers, and Carolina denies having committed any crimes. 41 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: Carolina spoke with us from her apartment in Levana, Vieha, 42 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: where she has spent more than one hundred days under 43 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: house arrest. She doesn't have internet access, so just to 44 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: do this interview, she had to borrow a friend's cellular data. 45 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Hello to everyone. Hi, I'm really sorry that I get disconnected. 46 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: It's just it was my data. 47 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: It's great to have you and let you know USA, 48 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: thank you for making the effort. We really appreciate it. 49 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me from Lavana. 50 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: Thank you Maria. It's very nice to meet you and 51 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: b and the program. 52 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if you could just describe for me 53 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: where you are right now, I mean the. 54 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: Old part of town. I am in house arrest. I've 55 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: been like this for more than one hundred days this year. 56 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: First it was between the end of March and May, 57 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: and now since the twenty third of June. I'm living 58 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: in a house in the third floor. Outside. It's very vibrant, 59 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: it's the most it's a part of town. You can 60 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: hear even the sounds of people on the streets selling 61 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: avocados or just the music all around the place now 62 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: is less crowded because of the coronavirus crisis. For me, actually, 63 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: it contrasts with the silence of my house. Of course, 64 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: I'm in house arrest. Very few people can come and 65 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: see me, and I cannot get out. 66 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: I'm kind of struck, Carolina with what that must be like. 67 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: I mean, do you have a window that you can 68 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: look outside and open your window and see everybody? 69 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I can head out at least to the balcony, 70 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and I can say even high and waive the police 71 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: enforcement and the state security agents down the stairs. You 72 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: wave it them, of course, and I bring them coffee. 73 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes they accepted it. Sometimes they say no because that 74 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: comes from your mercenary or some kind of absurd comment 75 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: like that. And sometimes they just drink it with me 76 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: and we have a chat. 77 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: How are you eating and also how are you managing 78 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: this psychologically? 79 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Well? I receive some food that my father sends to me. 80 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: They allow that at least one friend is also allowed 81 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: to come inside for the rest. They need to check 82 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: their ID first, and most of them they cannot come in. 83 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: It's actually a kind of prison, but you are just in, 84 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, at home. Psychologically, I and all of us 85 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: we understand the consequences of you know, having a critical position, 86 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: of being a dissident, like they say. 87 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: Early in July, actually July eleventh, you know, we started 88 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: seeing these images of people taking out to the streets 89 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: and chanting Libertad and having confrontations with security forces and 90 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: the police, who sometimes were overwhelmed by the amount of 91 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: people who were out there. And I'm wondering if you 92 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: can tell us, like, where were you on July eleventh, 93 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: and how did you feel about what you were seeing? 94 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: When we went to sleep on July tenth, no one 95 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: could imagine what would happen next day. It was quiet 96 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Sunday morning. I remember I was taking my first coffee 97 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: and checking the news. It was around ten thirty or 98 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: something like that when I find a live video Facebook 99 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: with protesters in San Antonio de los Banos, a small 100 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: town outside Lavana that is best known because of the 101 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: International Cinema School. I was thrilled to see it. Very 102 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: soon the group of roughly twenty people became a hundred, 103 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: and soon after that the whole town was on the streets, 104 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,119 Speaker 1: they were walking, and as they walked, more and more 105 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: people joined. But what really strike me was that after that, 106 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: town after town, all across the island, Cubans went out 107 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: of protest to manifest their aim for freedom. When you 108 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: see the videos of that day, you can hear very 109 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: clearly that what they repeated the most where we are 110 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: not afraid anymore, we want freedom, we want them out. 111 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: The government responded with brutality. It is very sad to 112 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: see in the videos the special forces a vispas Negras. 113 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: They were sent to bid entertain everyone, just to stop demonstrations. 114 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: And okay, so wait one second. 115 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: So you just said a vispas Negras and people are like, okay, 116 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 2: what is that. So the translation is black wasps. These 117 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: are security agents that are dressed all in black and 118 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: they kind of swoop in and clear out the situation 119 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: and take people away. 120 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's special forces exactly, and they use violence to 121 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: stop all demonstrations and thousands were detained, including minors. Many 122 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: of these people were prosecuted and condemned collectively in summary trials, 123 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: with no right to a lawyer, and even without informing 124 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: their families in time. Right now, more than ever. I 125 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: think Cuba has become a police state. Repression and vigilance 126 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: has increased. Even most in social media can put you 127 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: in jail. The government, of course, fears another eleventh of July, 128 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: but as it did happen once without notice, we are 129 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: sure it will happen again. It's just a matter of time. 130 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: We all know it, and I think especially the state. 131 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: I was talking to my producers and I said, you know, 132 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: I've I've been traveling to Cuba since nineteen eighty two, 133 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: so I have seen a lot of different moments in Cuba, 134 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: but seeing that kind of fervor the lahinte diciendo questamos, Yeah, 135 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: And for me on the outside, trying to understand what 136 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: is it that said Okaysalid, What exactly was it that 137 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 2: was making people take to the streets in these numbers 138 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: in July. 139 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: I think it was an accumulative thing. Right now, we 140 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: are under a huge sanitary crisis with a lot of 141 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: shortage of food and medicine all over the country. People 142 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: is literally dying because they don't have access to basic 143 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: medicine or of food, and no good answers have been 144 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: given by the administration all of the country. One after 145 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: the other. All the measures have only wars and the situation. 146 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: For instance, in the middle of the crisis, the government 147 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: decided to reshape the financial structure and the currency, and 148 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: that created huge inflation. 149 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 3: In July, everybody, of course, we're all. 150 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: Agotalos, you know, with lapandemia, with asa taca, with coronavirus, 151 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: and you're basically saying that intersected with this general increasing 152 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: crackdown from the government, and that that's what pushed people 153 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: to the streets. But a lot of this, it's really 154 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: fascinating because a lot of the protests are happening and 155 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: are being propelled by artists and critics, and I'm wondering, 156 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: you know, you're you're a curator, you're with artists, and 157 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you can explain to the people who 158 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: are listening to this what that actually looks like when 159 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: you have a protest movement that is led in many 160 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: ways by artists. 161 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Well, the eleventh of July was completely spontaneous. It is 162 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: true that from for the last three years artists have 163 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: been in Laalanzada and at the front of all the 164 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: protests made to the government. It began with the decree 165 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: three point forty nine, which limited freedom of expression, especially 166 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: among the artists. And from there the Science Cider movement 167 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: was created and small protesters and people started to gather 168 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: around to send letters, to try to story dialogue, to 169 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: try to change things more openly, and then we had 170 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: a twenty seven of November where for the first time, 171 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: more than five hundred people gather on a public space 172 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: in front of the Ministry of Culture. 173 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: The expression of the arts in Cuba have also been 174 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: super political, just from the very beginning, So I think 175 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: that's going to help people to understand that when you 176 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: have this crackdown on the freedom of expression by the government. 177 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: So what people would understand here the first Amendment. Basically 178 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: it's the artists who are saying, wait, you cannot control us. 179 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: We have to be free to do whatever we want. 180 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: Because art in Cuba is I mean, it's always been 181 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: very experimental, very forward thinking, very progressive, always breaking a 182 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: new ground, and the artists were saying, we can't accept this. 183 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: Does that kind of explain that why the artists were 184 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: so essential in leading the movement. 185 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think it's part of the history too 186 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: of the nation. If you see the Independence War, the 187 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: War of eighteen ninety five that was organized and led 188 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: by Jusse Marti, a poet, and even in the First 189 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: War of eighteen sixty eight, Cespides was also a poet. 190 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: It's part of our DNA. If you even think in 191 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: the students protest in the thirties and you have figures 192 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: like Ruben Martinez, de Vigenanesta Riego. 193 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 4: It's always been there. 194 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: It's part of our identity, the relationship between art, poetry 195 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: and civil rights. 196 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: Coming up on Latino USA, we talk about Carolina's upbringing 197 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: in Cuba while her parents were in exile, and how 198 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: after a decade abroad, she decided to return to the 199 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 2: island and in the middle of a global pandemic. Stay 200 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: with us, Hey, we're back. We continue our conversation now 201 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: with Carolina Barrero. She's a young art historian and dissident 202 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: who's been under house arrest in a vac for more 203 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: than three months. So, Carolina, in terms of your personal life, 204 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: let's talk a little bit about this, because you actually 205 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: made a choice. You have citizenship from Spain as well 206 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: as Cuban citizenship. You lived outside of Cuba. You grew 207 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: up in Cuba, even though your mom and dad had 208 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: to leave, so you didn't have them around. You talk 209 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: about this separation as being a central part of your life. 210 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: But after growing up in Cuba and then leaving for 211 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 2: eight years and living in Spain, you make a decision 212 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: at the end of twenty twenty to return, And I'm 213 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: thinking that's kind of at the height of the pandemic, 214 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: there was no sense of whether or not a vaccine 215 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: would be available or even created. And You're like, I'm 216 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: going to go live in Havana, Cuba and essentially be 217 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: tied to the protest movement. And I'm wondering what was that, Like, 218 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: what was that decision? Like what do your mom and 219 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: dad say? But I will I'm glad you returned, or 220 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: a niha, we're talking about your life. Hold on you 221 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: can be you can help from Afar. 222 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: I have been living for almost a decade abroad in Madrid, 223 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: but I never stopped coming back. Every year, every two 224 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: years I came back. I am very close to my 225 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: roots here. I still I have the memory of my 226 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: family house, my grandparents. I was raised here by them, 227 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: and I never wanted to just I couldn't just leave 228 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: and never never come back to that. So it's not 229 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: that I was completely away from it. But it is 230 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: true that in a sense this is something different than 231 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: just coming back for the holidays, right, And that is 232 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: exactly that was kind of my intent, because there is 233 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: a myth that when you go out from Cuba, if 234 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: you go, you go forever you are in exile, you 235 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: cannot return, and if you do well, it's just to 236 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: see your family, bring goods to them and go to 237 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: the beach and have a good time. Or if you stay, 238 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: then you sort of stay. And that's also definitely and 239 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: I know this very well because when I was very small, 240 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: my parents they went into exile, and I knew exactly 241 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: what that meant. 242 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 4: That meant they are very. 243 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: Very far away and it will take some time until 244 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I see them again. And I think Cubans, and especially 245 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: in my generation, we have this a task to end 246 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: that myth and to naturalize you know, you can come 247 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: and fly in and out of the island. Cubans in 248 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: exile have the same rights to be part of public life, 249 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: public debate, and not just from abroad. They can come 250 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: here and fly for it here between Cuban. 251 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: I'm kind of struck by the fact that you talk 252 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: about the exile that you experienced with your parents being exiled, 253 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: and how that was such an essential part of your 254 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: life and how you experience that exile. 255 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 3: But at the. 256 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 2: Same time, you were being raised with the Cuban communist 257 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: value system. Whether or not it's actually communist, we can 258 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: have a conversation about that. 259 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: Can you put that together? 260 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: As a little girl, when you're like, when, oh, Mimmiami 261 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: pa Bay is done in exilio, but I'm going to 262 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 2: Cuban school with me? 263 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: What is it that little banderita. 264 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: Roja, Yes, our flag exactly, and you. 265 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: Wear it around your neck and you're a little bionetro 266 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: You're a little Cuban pioneer. Can you put those two 267 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: things together, like having your parents in exile, but you 268 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 2: also being raised essentially through the communist educational system. 269 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: I want to first make a distinction because I think 270 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: the Cuban government have long forgotten if they ever knew 271 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: what communism or socialism even is. What we have here 272 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: is an authoritarian regime that used the ideology of communism 273 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: and socialism to create a narrative, a myth and stay empowered. 274 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate, I think while I was growing up, 275 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: because I was fortunate to have my grandparents. They were 276 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: from the east side of Cuba, from a town called 277 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: Bajamo where the independence were started. And I grew up 278 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: with all these stories and all these values around Cuba independence, 279 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Cuban freedom, and so that was part of my everyday life. 280 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: My grandfather also in nineteen fifty nine renounced to his 281 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: own family because all of his brothers and sisters left 282 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: to the immigrate to New York actually, and he decided 283 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: to stay. He lost some of his property and a 284 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: small business he ran at the time, and he did 285 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: that with happiness because he believed in the ideas of 286 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: socialism and social justice. But very very soon he felt 287 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: trison by the government, of course, but he didn't actually 288 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: inflate that feeling on me. I could see it in 289 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: his eyes. He was sad, and he aim of course 290 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: for real social justice and freedom. 291 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: He stayed in a very quiet place. 292 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: He was very critical, but he was not open, completely open. 293 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 4: I think I am the first one to. 294 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: Be seen actually like that and to be prosecuted and 295 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: to have this dissident title by the state. 296 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 2: So you talk about the narrative of Cuba or the 297 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: myth of Cuba, the narrative that Cuba has around communism 298 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: or socialism, whether or not it's actually being practiced is 299 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: you know, set aside. But there is a myth and 300 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: externally and myself as a as a young student of 301 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: Latin American studies, Cuba was in fact held up as 302 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: an example of back then we talked about. 303 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: Innuel the new man, the new woman. 304 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 2: Who is going to be really focused on equality and justice. 305 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: Well that didn't necessarily turn out to be that way. 306 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: But I'm wondering how you respond because the outside world 307 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 2: still will look at Cuba and there will be many 308 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: people who consider themselves to be progressives or on the left, 309 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: and they will they'll in fact side with the Cuban 310 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: government and say that protesters like you are problematic. And 311 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: I'm wondering it just gets confusing because what is and 312 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: what is right and what is all of these terms 313 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: begin to get very watered down. 314 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: Well, I would say to them, look with honesty to 315 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: the videos and what happened on that day on July eleventh, 316 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: and how the government responded to legitimate claims of its citizens. 317 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: So how did the government responded to these specific demonstrations, 318 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: the way it used violence, even pistolas, even with weapons 319 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: because the person that was killed was killed because of 320 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: a gunshot. How can you use gunshots again? People that 321 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: doesn't just have stones to say the most. 322 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 4: To say the most? 323 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: So what kind of socialism can you defend? After that? 324 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Are what are you talking about? It's very clear that 325 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: that is not even close to what they say they defense. 326 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 1: So I would say to them not, you know, not 327 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: to stay with the myth because it can be very pretty, 328 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: but reality is different, and if you really want to 329 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 1: be progressive and you want to be honest, you need 330 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: to look inside reality with that you know, sincerity and 331 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: to engage with it. 332 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: How do the younger generations feel about the left and 333 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: what is considered progressive. 334 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: One of the things that strike me when I arrived 335 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: last December was to see exactly that in young students, 336 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: people from university, we had a whole proliferation of different 337 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: movements from the left being very critical. 338 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: Towards the government. 339 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is five years ago, if 340 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: you've been coming to Cuba, no one would imagine that 341 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: the most critical positions to the government would come from 342 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: the left or the so called left. You would project 343 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: that that would come from you know, positions liberal positions 344 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: or more conservative positions, but not within the ideals of 345 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: the left. 346 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: And this is exactly what is happening. 347 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Most of the people on July the eleventh were young. 348 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about people that they didn't live through the 349 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: revolution process. They don't feel they need to have a 350 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: gratitude towards anything or any kind of commitment towards anything. 351 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: They just want to live in a society where polarity 352 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: is respected. Most we are talking about a young generation 353 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: that is, you know, very diverse, and that uses internet 354 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: and is in tune with the world, and they want 355 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: to experience that freedom, and they want to live in 356 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: a country that they are actually not just to go 357 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: in exile, but they're actually able to build and to 358 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: create and to be part of and to participate and 359 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: to say, hey, this should be done differently and to 360 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: be heard. I don't see a reason why they should 361 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: stop doing that. So I'm very hopeful. 362 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: So interestingly, I'll never forget when I don't remember on 363 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 2: what trip it was that I was visiting Cuba, and 364 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: it was one of those revelations I was young, and 365 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: somebody very of course, as Dude Cuban said, oh, this 366 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 2: thing about the US embargo. The second you take away 367 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 2: the US embargo, what is the Cuban government going to 368 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: blame for all of the problems? 369 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 3: And I was like, huh. 370 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 2: On the left, progressive people in the United States have 371 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: always been demanding that the embargo be lifted, and yet 372 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 2: this moment was kind of like, well, actually, does the 373 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: Cuban government want the embargo to be lifted because it 374 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 2: is the perfect scapegoat. And in fact, the government has 375 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: been saying what's happening in Cuba right now is a 376 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: result of the embargo, that that is the reason why 377 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: there is hunger, And they're also saying the US and 378 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 2: social media is also behind the protests. And I'm wondering 379 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: what you think about this. 380 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: You know, when you don't take responsibility for your actions 381 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: and the way you have managed the administration so badly, 382 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 1: and you are always blaming others for it, the embargo 383 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: and all the restrictions of the US government towards Cuba 384 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: is very relevant and important for the story. 385 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 4: My personal opinion is not. 386 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Only the embargo, all the restrictions and all the inter 387 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: and all the way the American government could interfere in Cuba, 388 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: or is interfering actually they should stop completely. The Cuban 389 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: policy shouldn't be determined by its relationship, and its identity 390 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: should not be built by its relationship towards United States. 391 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: I think this is a thing for Cubans to solve. 392 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: Cubans living in Cuba and also in exile. Of course, 393 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Cubans living in the United States needs to be part 394 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: of this because this is their homeland and will always 395 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: be and they are part of the solution. But Cubans, 396 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: this is not between states. This is for the Cuban 397 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: people to solve it. 398 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: So the word dissident does it in fact represent who 399 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: you are as a young Cuban woman who is fiercely 400 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: in love with her country. 401 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: To progress, you always need dissident people. You always need 402 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: something to discrubbed and question the status quo. That is 403 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: the law for evolution. If everything remains the same, nothing 404 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: change is nothing is challenge. You don't have life. That's 405 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: just death. For me, dissident is not a. 406 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 4: Bad word necessarily. 407 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure if we didn't have this authoritarian system, even 408 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: if we had a democratic one, I will still be 409 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: a dissident, and I think that would be a good 410 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: thing too. 411 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: You sounded happy there for a moment like you had 412 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: a little smile on your face, which is the first 413 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: time that I've kind of felt that in the entire interview. 414 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, actually, I'm going to take you back 415 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: to kind of where we started. I mean, I still 416 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: can't imagine what it's like to not be able to 417 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: leave your home and to have security forces at your 418 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: front door twenty four to seven. And so I've been 419 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: thinking about what does Carolina miss. 420 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: Well, you can be in prisoned walking the streets, and 421 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: that is what most people in this country are. They 422 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: are prisoners. Even if they walk outside and go to 423 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: the market or to their jobs or to university, they 424 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: cannot express freely. Of course, I miss many things. I 425 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: miss my dad, I miss the ocean, I miss my friends, 426 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: and just be able to walk around. But we understand. 427 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: I think we Cubans understand the consequences of having critical 428 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: position towards the authoritary power. And the last times they 429 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: came the agent, he said to me, all this can 430 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: be over. We are willing to end this house arrest. 431 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: Persevere need to commit. You need to commit that you 432 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: will not be part of any manifestation, that you will 433 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: not pronounce yourself and that you go quiet. And I 434 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: said to him, well, you can come tomorrow, you can 435 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: come in ten months or in ten years. You can 436 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: post the same question and I will answer the same. 437 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: My commitment is only with truth and justice. 438 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: Carolina. 439 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 2: I hope that you are released from your house arrest 440 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: as soon as possible, and that you can walk the 441 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: streets of La Bajavana. And we hope the best for 442 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 2: your island. 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