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Speaker 1: this is going to be kind of an emergency fifteen minute,

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Speaker 1: You know, there's an old saying if you want to

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Speaker 1: station and build right across the street from it. Not

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Speaker 1: only is USC a winner with Lincoln Riley, but UCLA

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Speaker 1: as a winner. So Chip Kelly, despite winning eight games,

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Speaker 1: having the Bruins Bowl eligible, beating USC and LSU soundly.

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Speaker 1: There are some UCLA boosters, big boosters that want Chip

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Speaker 1: Kelly out. Do you really think now that Lincoln Riley

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Speaker 1: and his offense comes to town, it'd be prudent to

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Speaker 1: You're going to be in shootouts. I'd rather be armed

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Speaker 1: this is good for Chip Kelly and UCLA. Chip Kelly,

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Speaker 1: the last thing I'm gonna do is boot a really clever,

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Speaker 1: to town. Most people fear competition. Most people are followers,

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Speaker 1: not leaders, and so you're terrified of losing to your rival.

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Speaker 1: But I've been saying this for years. You want your

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Speaker 1: Content is the enemy for these college football programs. That's

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Speaker 1: the reality of Nick Saban. He gets to use Auburn.

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Speaker 1: Auburn beats Alabama just enough that Nick Saban can go

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Speaker 1: Hey I need two more people in operations. Auburn is

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Speaker 1: the state. Alabama is better when Auburn's viable. You may

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Speaker 1: I want to bring on Jake Crane. He's the host

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Speaker 1: Watched it live on our YouTube channel. So months and

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Speaker 1: that and the other. Well, you know what, when he

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Speaker 1: was winning, nobody cared. Nobody cared that he said he

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Speaker 1: was going to put one of the reporters in a

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Speaker 1: fishing hole down in the bayou when they were ten

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Speaker 1: and oh. But all of a sudden, you go seven

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Speaker 1: and five and people start caring. That's the gamble. To me,

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Speaker 1: you bring in a guy like Lane Kiffin. I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about the off the field stuff getting in trouble.

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Speaker 1: What I'm worried about is if it starts going south,

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Speaker 1: how do they react from a coach's standpoint. So to me,

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Speaker 1: I love Lane Kiffin, but if you want a program builder,

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Speaker 1: a guy like Mark Stoops, who, in my opinion, Colin

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Speaker 1: is not the sexy name. He's not the splashy name.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to just pause ESPN and go on

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Speaker 1: a thirty minute diatribe about about it if it was

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. But he's a program builder. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, LSU fans want it now. They let

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Speaker 1: him sip it from the Cup. In twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: once you let them take a sip, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to be happy till they get their glass fill again.

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Speaker 1: And I think Lane's got to do it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're gonna hire you. Hereing Brian Kelly lately,

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Speaker 1: colin a lot of Brian Kelly. Yeah, Brian Kelly feels

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Speaker 1: so midwork feels but he's just not He's not very

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly's a good coach, he's a great offensive mine,

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Speaker 1: but he's not exactly the guy you'd want to spend

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes drinking another of light with at the bar. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your transfer portal comment is interesting. So one of the

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Speaker 1: things that happens is a lot of California kids have

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Speaker 1: been on that bullet train out of the state in

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Speaker 1: the last six years due to you know, Clay Hilton.

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Speaker 1: But I was told this by somebody who's close to

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly. They had real success in the transfer portal

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Speaker 1: UCLA did. Chip's not a great recruiter, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Chip's theory is, treat the kids well, try to get

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Speaker 1: them if they don't, tell them you love them and

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Speaker 1: you hope to see him again. And a lot of

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Speaker 1: those kids go somewhere. They go to Alabama and they

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Speaker 1: just either they don't fit in the program, it's a

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Speaker 1: little too intense, or they miss mom and dad and

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Speaker 1: they circle back. The transfer portal is a big deal

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Speaker 1: because Lincoln Riley USC has some things. What they don't

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Speaker 1: have is a left tackle and defensive lineman, and it's

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Speaker 1: what Oklahoma. I guess. My point is I could see

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma five or six elite lineman just transferring, especially offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: There's also a very good left tackle, Jake Taylor out

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Speaker 1: of Bishop Gorman High School in Nevada, that USC was

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Speaker 1: on and lost to Oklahoma. They haven't had a legitimate

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Speaker 1: left tackle in three years. I don't think USC's a rebuild, Jake.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a reboot. I think next year they

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Speaker 1: went eight or nine, and like USC with Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: the second year, five games in, you're gonna go okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: The transfer portals a game changer. I call it a

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Speaker 1: junior college without great issues because j C guys you've

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Speaker 1: always worried about. They come from some major baggage. For sure.

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Speaker 1: All you get as a kid who often just misses home.

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Speaker 1: He's not a good fit at South Carolina. He just

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Speaker 1: wants to go back to Michigan. Yeah, well you know too.

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Speaker 1: And around here USC is one of the schools where

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Speaker 1: if I walk in a high school and Openaca Alabama

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Speaker 1: and I say the word USC Trojans, they know who

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Speaker 1: that is. They remember. They're just old enough to remember

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Speaker 1: when USC was dominant. And I can remember back in

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Speaker 1: the sixth season, seventies wherever. But I'm with you and

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Speaker 1: in the college football world now in the landscape. Now

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Speaker 1: we talked about the portal, and it's easier to flip it. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what's easier than flipping it with the portal,

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Speaker 1: going to a brand name blue blood, and then flipping

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Speaker 1: it in the portal, And that's the difference the games

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Speaker 1: won and lost. Up front. I don't care if you

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Speaker 1: run the air raid, the triple option, the fun and gun,

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Speaker 1: fun in the sun, drinking Capri sun, whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: The game's one up front. Always say on the show,

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Speaker 1: if football was a tree, the trenches are the roots,

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Speaker 1: and that's how it will always be. And you've got

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Speaker 1: to build it from the roots up. That's the only

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Speaker 1: way it gets tall and wide enough for you to

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Speaker 1: be able to compete. You look at some of these teams,

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Speaker 1: the Notre Dames that get into the playoff, some of

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Speaker 1: these other teams outside of the SEC, and all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, they go up against Alabama or they go

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Speaker 1: up against Georgia and they're getting it ran down their

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Speaker 1: throat and you're like, why can't they compete? Why can't

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Speaker 1: they compete? Well, the SEC in the South has had

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Speaker 1: a monopoly on the lineman. Why is Mario crystal Ball

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Speaker 1: having success at Oregon. Well, he's changed the way they

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Speaker 1: play out there. He can go get the offensive lineon.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference because a lot of schemes work with it.

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Speaker 1: USC to take one year. All they need is a spark.

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Speaker 1: It's like working in a bomb factory during World War Two.

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Speaker 1: All they need is a spark in the whole place

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Speaker 1: will go up. And when USC is good, it's sexy.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Now kids will want to go

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Speaker 1: from Tennessee and Georgia to go out to USC. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny you brought up the comment about Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: loving guys up. When I was at South Alabama coach

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Speaker 1: and there was a kid at seven on seven that

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Speaker 1: had committed to Alabama's first name was Danny. I won't

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Speaker 1: give his last name. I looked at our head coach,

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Speaker 1: I was a young guy, said how much money would

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Speaker 1: you give me if I could get Danny, who was

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Speaker 1: from Mobile to commit to South Alabama over Alabama. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'd give you five thousand dollars. I said, all right,

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Speaker 1: went back down there was talking to him, chopping it up. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: We kind of formed a relationship, kept going for about

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Speaker 1: the next year. He signed with Alabama. I didn't get

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Speaker 1: the five thousand dollars. But two years later I get

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Speaker 1: a text from Danny. Hey, I'm about to transfer from Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Would you guys be interested? He ends up coming to

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Speaker 1: South Alabama was all conference. Was a heck of a player.

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Speaker 1: So with the portal, Now, if you lose a kid

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Speaker 1: in recruiting, and you know how the battles are come.

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Speaker 1: They come down to the last second, who's going to

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Speaker 1: leave the house last, and one thing goes wrong, or

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Speaker 1: a couple things go wrong, or maybe they're not ready,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of kids are as freshmen. You can

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Speaker 1: recoup that with the way society is now. And we

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Speaker 1: got to remember, they change the intake rule. So every

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Speaker 1: year in the past you've only been able to sign

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Speaker 1: twenty five scholarship guys. Well with the transfer portal now

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Speaker 1: it's up to thirty two, so you can really flip

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Speaker 1: a roster, yes, very quickly. And look when I look

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Speaker 1: at USC, it's a gold mine. It's a ticking time bomb.

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Speaker 1: But all they need is a spark. Clay Helton couldn't

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Speaker 1: give him the spark. Lincoln Riley has a chance to

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Speaker 1: give him the spark. And you know what, it'd be

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Speaker 1: good for college football and I'm for that. Jake Crane

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Speaker 1: Jay Boys show watch it live YouTube every day. Good

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Speaker 1: seeing your bro Colin appreciate it. Man, trying to get

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Speaker 1: like you. The volume