WEBVTT - Initial Reactions To The New NBA CBA 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.880 If you're tuned into Heat Check with Tristal Quick. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.800 On this episode of the Heat Check, the NBA and 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.959 the NBA PA have signed a new collective bargaining agreement, 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:14.400 at least in theory, and it is the biggest news 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.480 in the league since the Bubble. So many ramifications, it's 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.319 so complicated. I had to bring on one of the 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.360 only people qualified enough to break this down spot Tracks, 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:23.040 Keith Smith. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.480 It's actually spot Track, not spow Track. So we got 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:26.279 that all settled. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.240 So much to cover, Let's skip the bullshit, Let's get 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.479 right into it and drop that generic ass beat. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.640 So the biggest. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.479 News of the year, probably several years, to be honest, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.920 is that the NBA and the NBA PA have hammered 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.879 out this new collective bargaining agreement. We only know some 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.120 of the details and there are major major changes coming 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.880 next year, monumental changes. Before we bring on Keith, our 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.360 favorite NBA guru, to explain it all to us, I 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:58.480 just wanted to sort of break down some of the 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.600 things that are getting changed. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver and 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.120 Players Union Director Tamika Tremaleo they should get a bunch 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.520 of credit. Honestly, they work together to get the deal 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.959 done before the CBA ends. And let's be honest, other 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.240 leagues like the NFL and Major League Baseball. 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.399 They never do that. Ever. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.399 They know they're going to get a bag from the 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.960 new rights deal, and they're like, yo, before we get 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.039 money from Amazon, Apple, ESPN, Turner, whatever. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.240 A deal that's probably going to. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.640 Be speculated around seventy five billion dollars in total. We 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.360 should probably figure that out, right, We should probably have 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:34.160 seventy five billion reasons to treat each other well. Because 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.520 of a lockout comes, we are fucked anyway, labor piece 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:38.559 for the next seven years. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.480 Here's the four to one. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.520 One hasn't officially been ratified yet, only part of it 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.200 has been reported. This new CBA, though, has given existing 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.280 players greater freedom on a personal level. Right they can 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.600 invest in NBA and WNBA teams while they're a current player. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.160 They can now be sponsored by sports betting companies. They 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.440 can smoke weed and not get tested, which I think 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:02.880 is like one of the least important things, but hey, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.880 smoke on. If you want to smoke, you can be 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.959 sponsored by a weed company or a CBD company. They 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.200 have continued to keep the one and done rule, so 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.240 young kids can't get into the league. Veterans didn't want it, 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.440 the league didn't want it. Nobody wanted it, really, but 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.560 they didn't want to be bad guys. So college basketball 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.760 remains the same. In terms of roster building, the CBA 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:25.320 makes a bunch of changes. There's a new salary cap, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.079 new luxury cap rules. It makes it harder to create 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.000 these super teams, makes it easier for teams to organically 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.800 build rosters through the draft a lah Oklahoma City Thunder. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.480 Some of the changes, like the sixty five minimum game 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:44.639 qualification requirement for an NBA award, is going to affect salaries. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.680 It determines who is going to be eligible for the 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.720 Supermax extension. That's a lot even just there. There's also 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.080 major changes to the schedule. Adam Silver has gotten his 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.400 major n season tournament done. Some of the changes are 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.560 going to impact the draft, so called Rob Polinka rule 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.360 on how teams can sign second round picks so they 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.640 don't end up losing them like they did on Alex 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.920 Caruso because they don't want to give those players the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.839 mid level exception. Since the last CBA was like five 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:16.119 hundred ninety eight pages of legal ease indecipherable. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.559 We have Keith Smith, who. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.720 Does this shit for a living, day in day out 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.880 from spot Track. He is our resident numbers guru. We 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.440 also ask him some changes about the TEA, what's going 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.440 on with the NBA as well. He is here to 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.400 break down the CBA and what it means. You can 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.720 find him on spot track and on Twitter at Keith 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.480 Smith NBA. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.160 Without further ado, here's me and Keith interview. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.480 I want to talk about the CBA because there's not 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.920 that many people who really understand it, and you working 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.840 for a SPoD track, and you being around the league 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.960 for as long as you are, you're the first person that. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:54.440 Came to mind. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.120 So thankfully we already had this interview schedule. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.360 When you took the time to absorb the. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:05.120 Main changes in the CBA, what was your first overall reaction. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.960 I think they made it so that the middle class 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.600 of the league is going to have some significant advantages 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:18.880 in acquiring players. They made it harder for the most 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.120 expensive teams to acquire players, but they also gave them 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.479 avenues to keep players that they already have. If I 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.080 think the problem with the so called hardcap was always 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.680 going to be Hey, if we're the Warriors, because that's 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.839 the team everybody uses for as an example, and we've 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.839 drafted really well and developed really well, why should we 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.240 get penalized and have to lose guys? And I think 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.800 the NBA, basically along with the NBPA, said you know what, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.440 you're kind of right, but we still can't have you 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.600 trading for everybody under the sun and signing a bunch 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.320 of guys in that. So we're going to put in 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.240 some limiters on you that'll make it hard. And it's 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:57.359 not just the Warriors. The Clippers are in that boat. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.440 There's a handful of other teams that'll probably maybe in 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.480 that position over the next few years. But it's we're 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.440 going to make it harder on you to do get 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.360 new players that don't come through the draft and through 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.719 minimum signings and the like. And then for the middle 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.320 class teams, we're going to give you a whole bunch 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.320 of ways that you can go get players that maybe 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.440 you didn't have available to you in the past. So 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.640 I think they're just trying to increase that parody around 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:22.159 the league. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.039 There's a lot of people who think that this is 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.040 a these are seismic changes that we're not going to 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:31.799 really fully understand for years to come. 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.280 In your opinion, how monumental is it. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.680 I think they're pretty big. I think we're going to 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.840 see some teams. Kind of buzzword right now is what 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.360 are the unintended consequences? Right? Because it's always you get 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.200 into this stuff, you feel really good about where it is, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.920 and then one thing we know that these teams do, 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.000 they hire really smart people who find ways to work 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:56.960 around all the rules they put in place. It's a 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.760 big part of it. I always say, you know, the 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.400 the CBA is a agreement to make it fair, and 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.839 then it's people's jobs to find ways to work around 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:09.120 that inherent fairness, to give themselves advantages, to find loopholes, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.040 all those things. So I think what's gonna happen is 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.640 it is going to take years for this to fully 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.600 play out, because it's not like one all these changes 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.080 are coming in immediately next season. It's some of these 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.360 things they've already said they're going to be phased in 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.960 over a period of time. And I think that's fair 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.320 to the teams because if we stick with that Warriors example, 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.720 well they've already built the roster they've built. It's not 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.320 necessarily fair to say, all right, hey, all the tools 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.400 you have, you lose them all right now. Now you've 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:41.000 got to kind of reset and restart right from square one. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.640 So I think we'll see some phasing into some of 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.200 these changes. I think the other part of it, too, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.080 is we got to see how teams react to these things, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.880 because teams are gonna make different decisions than they might 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.960 have otherwise. We may see teams say, you know what, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.800 once we're up and over this second tax apron, which 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.800 I think sounds silly, So I'm calling it the super 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.320 to because I think that sounds way cooler. Yeah, so 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.359 once you're over the super tax, you're gonna be in 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.040 a spot where, wow, you know, we really got to 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.280 resign our own guys because we have no other way 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.920 to get talent. Or I think the other option is 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.040 we're in a position where some teams are gonna say, 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.160 all right, you know what, we gotta let player X 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.480 go because we got to get our books in order, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.840 and the only way is to start shedding some salary. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.600 So we're gonna let him go, and you're gonna just 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:29.280 see differences in you know, roster building and those kind 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.360 of things. I think drafting well, developing well. It's gonna 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.200 have more importance than it's maybe ever had in the 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.920 league because having one cost control players is going to 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.280 be huge in those things. But these, again are changes 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.480 we're gonna it's gonna take us probably three four years, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.400 right into the middle of this six to seven year 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.720 agreement to really start to feel the full effect of it. 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.640 Was reported that there were like hundreds of proposals throughout 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:59.239 the time. What was the NBA itself, the league trying 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.720 to achieve with these changes and what was the MBPA 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:05.480 trying to achieve with the changes? 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:10.040 Yeah, the good news is it seems like they went 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.480 into this on roughly the same page with a lot 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.600 of the stuff. The first big thing that they were 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:20.760 really good with was the revenue split. That it's essentially 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.920 a fifty to fifty split. It can range from forty 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.000 nine to fifty one, but it's essentially fifty to fifty. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.200 Once you're good there, that makes everything else easier. I'm 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.200 not gonna say it's easy, but it makes it easier. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.960 And I think you know they were. It's funny. I 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.600 was told direct by someone involved, was Yeah, the one 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.079 and done role negotiation was like NBA doesn't want this. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.880 NBPA doesn't really want this, So why is this a conversation. Well, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.920 neither one wanted to be the one to say like, hey, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:49.640 we don't want this, because then they look like the 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.400 bad guy. But I think the NBA's main goal was, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.760 let's increase some of this parody and let's make sure 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.680 we are not getting into world where hey, if you're 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.319 one of the most richest teams in the league for 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.800 lack of a better term, and you are in a 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.240 big market, you can just outspend everybody by a level 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.080 that the playing field just is vast and separated. It 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.040 starts to look a little bit like, yeah, we have 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.160 a cap, but what difference does it make if you 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.079 can just keep adding salary and keep adding salary. So 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.760 I think that was their goal. I think the mbpa's 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.480 goal was, all right, we can work with you within that, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.000 but what we want to do is if you're going 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.280 to cap those top teams on how much they can spend, 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.800 it can't be that that just goes away. We need 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.319 to push it back into the market somewhere. Because their 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:41.800 end goal is now with the addition of a third 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.160 two way spot, they're gonna have up to five hundred 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.840 and forty guys in the league at a time, and 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.720 it's we're going to take care of five hundred plus players. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.000 It's not just about Lebron James and Steph Curry and 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:54.920 the guys who make forty to fifty million a year. 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.400 We got to take care of all the way down. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.680 And I think that's some of the stuff that they 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.080 they wanted, and I think in a lot of ways 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.440 they came to some pretty good agreements on that stuff, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.840 where it is all right, hey, we're going to give here, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.920 but you give here, and that rebalances and we'll see 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.079 how that rebalances the league ultimately. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.520 In the end, Draymond was very upset. He tweeted that 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.319 the players got screwed. He said, I don't understand how 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:24.040 we are the driving labor of this entire system and 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.720 we end up, you know, getting the short. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:27.240 End of the stick. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.120 What do you think if you had to guess, because 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:32.960 I'm sure you know there's a lot of things that 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.680 he could have issue with. What do you think is 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.040 there any one thing or a couple of things that 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.920 would make him feel this way or have other players 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:41.600 feel this way? 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.120 Yeah, I think there's a few things with that. I 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.079 think the first was that was probably an immediate reaction 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.680 because the first handful of things that came out were, Wow, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.199 this doesn't look great for the players. It was kind 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.000 of that was like the Saturday reporting. When we got 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.200 into Sundays reporting, it was like, whoa wait a minute, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.400 they can invest in NBA teams and WNBA teams, They're 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.040 broadening what they can be corporate partners on and those 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:09.679 sort of things. And then when you saw a lot 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:11.760 of those changes, like, all right, this makes a lot 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.559 more sense. I don't presume to know what details Draymond 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.920 Green had and didn't have. I can tell you I 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.120 know I've talked to people on both the player side 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.320 and the team side. They don't have all the details 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.560 yet because this is kind of agreed to in principle 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.199 and they're still hammering stuff out. That's why we don't 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.240 have the ELITD full term sheet, and it's like every 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.680 two hours we're getting like, here's another detail, because it's 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.880 kind of all right, we finished it and go. So 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.559 I'm guessing it was probably a bit of an overreaction 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.000 to the immediate reporting on it. And I think there's 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:47.200 also a this was personal to him because in a 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.240 lot of ways, you could call some of those immediate 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.240 measures like the Warriors measures of like, hey, we can't 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.280 have another Warriors come along, right, And it's funny because, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.319 and I keep using them as the example, even in 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.920 the last couple of years, the Clippers have outspent everybody. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.599 So I think what we run into in this situation 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.640 with these guys is they run into a spot where 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:09.800 it is, hey, like we want to you know, I'm 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.360 going to spout off, but it's because this is hurting 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.080 me and my team and if I resign here, like 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.760 we're not going to be able to go sign other 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.880 guys and all these sorts of things. So I kind 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:20.560 of get where he's coming from because I think in 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.480 a sense, he's just trying to take care of him 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.200 himself and the guys he's most immediate with right now. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:31.720 Do you think that the league does not want dynasties, It's. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.880 A good question. I think they welcome dynasties. Like kind 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.720 of what the Warriors have been, which is the core 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.600 of the team was drafted, They were developed by them. 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.439 They kind of came and grew up together and came 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.240 into prominence together and then they've made really smart moves 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.520 around those guys to kind of supplement them. But if 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.400 you look at their main guys, because everybody has a 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.400 and then I don't mean to denigrate like Dante DiVincenzo 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.640 and the Jamichael Green, but every team has guys like that, right, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.679 a guy they signed with the midle level exception, a 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.679 guy they signed on a minimum contract. But if you're 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.679 the Warriors, other than Andrew Wiggins, which was shrewd salary 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.640 slot management by all right, Hey, Kevin Durantz going to Brooklyn, Hey, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.559 why don't we make that a sign and trade double 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.600 sign and trade where we get D'Angel Russell and we 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.000 preserve that thirty million salary slot. And then it was 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.640 all right, now we're gonna move him on to get 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.880 Andrew Wiggins. But outside Andrew Wiggins, every single guy in 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:34.960 their rotation they drafted and they developed Curry, Thompson, Green, Looney, Pool, Kaminga. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.720 Those are other own draft picks. So I think the 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.960 league is in a spot where if you do it 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.160 that way, and I don't I hate to say any 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.160 way of building a roster is the right way. I 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.600 think there's a million right ways, and there's definitely some 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:51.000 wrong ways for sure, But if you build it in 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.880 that way, we're gonna give you the ability you can 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.480 keep it together, keep paying all those guys because we're 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.520 not restricting you on paying those guys, and just keep going. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.319 So don't think there against dynasties. I think what they 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.800 don't want to see is they all, right, hey, we 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.280 loaded up in two years, and then we kept adding, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.040 kept adding, kept adding, and then all of a sudden, it's, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.720 you know, we've outspent everybody by you know, one hundred 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.240 million dollars, and you know, we're we're just kind of 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.760 I think they don't like the Clippers kind of run 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.680 of let's just keep replacing and then all right, hey 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.600 this guy makes twenty five we're going to turn him 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.960 into a thirty five million dollar player, and those kind 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.440 of things. I think that's where it gets really messy 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.560 for the league. The league doesn't like that kind of 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.800 team building because then it just looks like the rich 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:32.400 get richer. 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.680 Can you explain how it fundamentally changes how trades are made, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.000 kind of in the technical way. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.560 Sure, yeah, So from the details we know right now, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.960 the kind of normal everyday trade between two teams that 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.280 are well under the tax or maybe just at the 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.880 tax line, that'll pretty much stay the same. You'll have 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.440 a little bit of a range where you can work in. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.360 You might be able to trade a twenty million dollar 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.360 guy and bring in somebody who makes twenty five million, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.880 and that's kind of the range it's always been in. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.520 But for these so called super tax teams, the big 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.440 thing is they can't take on any additional money in 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.360 trades if all the reporting proves to be accurate. So 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.600 what's going to happen for them is if I want 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.280 to trade a twenty million dollar player, I can only 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.000 bring in twenty million or less in salary. I don't 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.600 have that ability to go get somebody else. And that's 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.080 just gonna make things a little bit difficult on them. 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.560 Now I mentioned before, smart teams are gonna find workarounds, 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.800 they're going to do things. What we may see end 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.640 up happening is, Okay, that guy who's on a roster 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.560 makes twenty million, we're going to re sign him for 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.040 thirty million. Mostly so now we have a thirty million 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.440 dollar trade chip and we can go get that twenty 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.160 five million dollar player or a thirty million dollar player 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.160 that wouldn't be available to us prior. So that's the 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.800 kind of roster maneuvering I think you're gonna see from 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.920 some of those teams. It's going to become a lot 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.720 more about salary slots than essentially the players that are 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.440 filling them. And that's sometimes even me salary gap is like, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.280 that's a I feel gross thinking of it that way, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.160 because it's like there's still human beings and there's still players. 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.440 But at the end of the day, I don't feel 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.520 too gross because that guy's gonna make twenty five or 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.760 thirty million, so you know, kind of is what it is. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.120 You sign up for that much money, you're probably signing 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:16.200 up to maybe be traded. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.440 Yeah, what what blockbuster trades for those who you know, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.000 maybe don't know happened recently that would not be allowed 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:27.320 in this new CBA. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.200 Yeah, and there were there's a handful. So the immediate 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.680 ones that come to mind this year are Kevin Durant 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.800 and Kyrie Irving because both of those teams, Phoenix and Dallas, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.800 would be uh, you know, over the super tax or 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.800 into the super tax, and in that position, they would 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.080 not have been able to take on money, which both 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.280 of them did in their trades to get those guys 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.360 another uh, you know, if we go back, James Harden 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.400 to Brooklyn is one even one from this summer. A 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.560 team that's not necessarily super expensive, like Alcolm Browgdon to 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.479 the Celtics is another one that might not have happened. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.879 So I think we're in a position where, yeah, a 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.280 handful of these trades may not have happened. That have 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.879 happened otherwise, anything that was even something has kind of 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.680 low key, low end, that nice move, but no one 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.000 really cares about it. Like even like Mike Mescala to 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.360 the Celtics right before the trade deadline kind of buzzed 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.840 was they brought him in with sending no salary out 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:31.240 the other way and even in or sending very littles 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.440 out the other way and brought him in via an exception. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.199 And that becomes a one where that wouldn't have been 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.120 able to happen, even a small minor deal like that 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:40.960 that was, hey, we're gonna add some bench dep for 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.879 a playoff run. You wouldn't have been able to do 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.840 those things. And those are the things where where we're 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.879 going to see teams have to have a different strategy 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:47.719 on moving forward. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.560 So I don't want to be one of those people 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.600 who puts on a tinfoil hat. But this is the 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.760 first thing that came to mind as you said that 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:01.880 Kyrie vice president of the NBPA. Is there any chance 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.879 that that factored in this new CBA factored in to 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.680 Kyrie seeing the writing on the wall and saying, this 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.920 is kind of my shot to get to another team 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.600 and therefore as well as Kevin, if those both of 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.960 those trades weren't going to be possible moving forward. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.320 Maybe I don't know how deep they were into the 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:26.119 negotiations at that point that all that went down. And 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.840 I tend to like anytime I think I have Kyrie 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.600 kind of pegged, I realize I'm completely wrong, and I 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.119 don't know anything about the guy. He remains, you know, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.920 one of the more confusing players in the league too 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.840 to me, And I don't even necessarily mean that in 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.720 a bad way. I just you know, he's just there's 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:47.240 things I just don't understand with him. So it's it's 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.879 certainly possible. I think we you know, he may have 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.360 been like, hey there. You know what I know through 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.040 negotiations is they're tightening things up, They're going to make 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.080 it harder on us to figure things out. But I 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:00.480 think we're in a position where, yeah, it's probably one 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.159 of those things where it's this just was kind of 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.200 an offshoot, and I don't know how much he cared 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.480 about that. I think it was much more other reasons 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.280 where he's like, hey, this nets thing's going nowhere. I 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.640 can't get to the Lakers right now, but I still 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.119 want to get out of here, and then I'll figure 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.360 out my next move after that. 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.359 Let's talk about the ramifications though, because it feels like 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.639 it's the death of super teams to a degree. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.600 Yeah, it's going to be very hard to put together 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.480 a super team on the fly because and it's already 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.439 kind of hard anyway with some of the things that 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.480