WEBVTT - Political Organizing and Advocacy with Zenia Perez (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsay's Jah.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsay's Jah. I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>still or once again tuned into civic excitement.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, we appreciate you and we want you to

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<v Speaker 1>keep on doing what you're doing. Because we got a

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<v Speaker 1>special guest in the building. She goes by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Xenia Perez. She's an organizer and political consultant working

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<v Speaker 1>in the fields of advocacy and electoral politics, and she

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<v Speaker 1>has given us some game. If you don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>world you live in, there are there is an infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>in place for you to change it. And she's letting

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<v Speaker 1>us know how she's going about doing that, how she's

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<v Speaker 1>been doing that for some years, and how you can

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<v Speaker 1>follow in her footsteps. And so we're gonna continue the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with her, and we are also going to and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I teased at the beginning of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna h share uh a brand new babbab become

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<v Speaker 1>a better ally. So without further ado, this video is

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<v Speaker 1>from Cody Connor on Ig. You can follow him at

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<v Speaker 1>b's say, Dad, that's be easy, Aydad, two to two.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you are attacking DEI because you

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<v Speaker 3>convince yourself that racism and discrimination doesn't exist anymore. If

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<v Speaker 3>you've just convinced yourself that it's okay. What I do

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<v Speaker 3>know is that white supremacist groups still feel embolden enough

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<v Speaker 3>to march openly in American streets. People are proudly proclaiming

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<v Speaker 3>themselves racists and bigots on social media and even national television.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that it'll be those people that are

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<v Speaker 3>cheering and applauding for you the loudest when you decide

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<v Speaker 3>to dismantle diversity, equity, and inclusion in our schools. And

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that doesn't give you pause, that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>make you feel sick and slimy tells me everything I

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<v Speaker 3>need to know about you. When I look at you,

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<v Speaker 3>the six of you that will vote against this, I'm disgusted,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm also grateful. I'm grateful for all the experiences

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<v Speaker 3>I had that kept me from being like you. You see,

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<v Speaker 3>there's racist and bigots in my family. I heard the

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<v Speaker 3>N word in derogatory jokes growing up. But when I

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<v Speaker 3>found myself on my own before I'd even graduated high school,

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<v Speaker 3>that family.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't there to help me.

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<v Speaker 3>My friend the Liana's family was there, wattermall and immigrants.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't for them, I probably would have gotten a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more trouble than I did. Did you know that

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<v Speaker 3>immigrants are less likely to commit crimes in US citizens statistically?

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was my friend Trey's mom taking care

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<v Speaker 3>of all those kids all on our own. Still, somehow

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<v Speaker 3>I always able to still find a prayer and a

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<v Speaker 3>plate for me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Just know that black mothers are more than three times as.

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<v Speaker 3>Likely to be single moms and white mother's statistically. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a queer kid that helped me learn how to

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<v Speaker 3>navigate life on the streets. Did you know that LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 3>kids are more than twice as likely than their peers

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<v Speaker 3>to be homeless statistically? But because of those kids, when

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<v Speaker 3>my child came out to me, I was able to

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<v Speaker 3>be the father that they needed, despite all of the

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<v Speaker 3>religious and doctor nation I'd been subjicted to. Did you

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<v Speaker 3>know it's more likely your priest will be a predator

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<v Speaker 3>then your kid will be trains statistically? Now I know

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<v Speaker 3>you don't care about my stories or my statistics. Your

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<v Speaker 3>fear and ignorance has got you so turned around rather

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<v Speaker 3>than embracing the future, cleaning desperately to echoes of the past.

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<v Speaker 2>But that future, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Still coming, and it doesn't look much like you statistically,

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to the student speakers. You may be blind,

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<v Speaker 3>but these kids aren't.

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<v Speaker 1>They see you more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>They see that you do not see them.

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<v Speaker 3>So tonight, after you vote against their future and go

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<v Speaker 3>home to bask in the approval of racists and bigots,

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<v Speaker 3>don't mistake this for a day that we stood in

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<v Speaker 3>your way and couldn't stop you. Now, today's the day

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<v Speaker 3>you decided to stand away of these kids and their future.

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<v Speaker 3>And someday, sooner than you think, they're going to run

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<v Speaker 3>right over you and not even look back.

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<v Speaker 1>Make good decisions, all right now? You know why I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted you to stick around for that, because that was

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<v Speaker 1>so powerful. The first time I heard that, I watched

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<v Speaker 1>it probably like five times, but like it moved me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew that I wanted to play that for you. Q.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know again that segment we've gone over a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, but that segment is meant to highlight ally

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<v Speaker 1>ship or to give you examples of becoming a better ally.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was just you know, for those that don't

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to check out at social media again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's be e z A y da D two two

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. If you can't check out the video, just

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is a white presenting male, maybe in

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<v Speaker 1>his forties, and he's in front of what appears to

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<v Speaker 1>be some sort of community council or school board or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. And you know, sharing those powerful words.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because you're down doesn't mean you're out. And for

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<v Speaker 1>people to step in, especially when it comes to diversity,

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<v Speaker 1>equity and inclusion initiatives where it might not benefit them directly,

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<v Speaker 1>and be such a powerful voice in that space. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to salute you, so Cody Connor on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 4>I salute you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for standing with the people. Man. That's very special. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>your political prima I love that. All right, Dania, talk

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<v Speaker 1>to us about the major threats that you see. Two

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<v Speaker 1>outs were democracy or maybe too our communities, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>marginalized communities. Given this administration, What are some things that

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<v Speaker 1>you think people should be concerned about.

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<v Speaker 5>I think one thing. I have two things. The first

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<v Speaker 5>thing is that fascism is no longer at our doorstep.

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<v Speaker 5>It is here, and we voted it in. We have

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<v Speaker 5>voted in a tyrant who is a racist, bigot. All

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<v Speaker 5>the bad things, all the bad words that I cannot

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<v Speaker 5>say on the radio, it is here. And the second

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<v Speaker 5>thing is these attacks on DEI. You know, they started,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, years ago, but right now DEI is this

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<v Speaker 5>bad word. We're in this culture war moment and a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of people think that DEI is just like this

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<v Speaker 5>random policy that Costco and Target are kind of filling

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<v Speaker 5>about with their shareholders, and you know that we don't

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<v Speaker 5>have to care about that. But I'm here to tell

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<v Speaker 5>you that DEI is diversity. It means that you want

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<v Speaker 5>to have a lady doctor taking care of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>your lady bits. You know. That's that's that's one example.

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<v Speaker 5>There is equity that everybody gets a fighting chance, and

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<v Speaker 5>that includes white people. People in the Midwest too, like

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<v Speaker 5>they've suffered a lot, you know, like their jobs got

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<v Speaker 5>shipped off overseas and and now we're fighting for jobs

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<v Speaker 5>back and you know, manufacturing jobs that are done by robots.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's the that's the e you know, the the

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<v Speaker 5>equity part everybody should have, you know, that part a

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<v Speaker 5>fair chance of you know, making living a good life

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<v Speaker 5>and providing for their family. And then there's inclusion, and

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<v Speaker 5>an inclusion we talk about everybody too, different religions, races,

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<v Speaker 5>gender identities, you know, we're talking about everybody. We want

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<v Speaker 5>everybody to have a seat at the table because that

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<v Speaker 5>is what is right and that's what makes this country

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<v Speaker 5>like beautiful and great. Like why why do you think

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<v Speaker 5>people want to immigrate here? It's it's because of things

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<v Speaker 5>like DEI that you know, have have propelled us forward,

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<v Speaker 5>not as like our different affinity groups, but as a

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<v Speaker 5>country as a whole. We have all prospered and benefited

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<v Speaker 5>from things like DEI together. And so now they're making

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<v Speaker 5>it this like big bad thing. This is the bad

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<v Speaker 5>guy in the room, you know, besides immigrants, right and

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<v Speaker 5>and and so you know, they they want to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of get us into thinking they're grooming us, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>kind of like a predator would. They're grooming us into

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<v Speaker 5>thinking that DEI something we don't need, something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>matter to us. You know, it's something that happens to

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<v Speaker 5>someone else, but it's something that everyone benefits from. And

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<v Speaker 5>you know what they're really doing is you know, getting

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<v Speaker 5>you used to a tax on DEI because what they're

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<v Speaker 5>really coming for are civil rights. And so I'll leave

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<v Speaker 5>it at that. I don't want to be too doom

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<v Speaker 5>and gloom, but you know that is their long game,

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<v Speaker 5>and they're just trying to get us ready to just

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<v Speaker 5>like accept it willingly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the difficult thing about the show that we

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<v Speaker 2>do is that the doom and gloom is unavoidable and

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<v Speaker 2>the ironic hypocrisy of immigrants fighting against immigration. It's so

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<v Speaker 2>blatantly wrong and should be so immediately resisted and they

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<v Speaker 2>should be called out for it, except they're not. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a South African immigrant being probably the largest

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<v Speaker 2>donor to the last campaign, and at least at the

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<v Speaker 2>start of this presidency, one of the most vocal and

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<v Speaker 2>out front leaders making decisions and you know, leading all

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<v Speaker 2>these fronts that take as many things from the most

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable as possible. You know, we talked before about how

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<v Speaker 2>so many of those executive orders were not even disguised

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<v Speaker 2>as helping someone. They were all directly harming someone, all

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<v Speaker 2>of them proudly as he signed them and held them

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<v Speaker 2>up for photo ops like a petulant.

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<v Speaker 5>Child, And is that how you make America great?

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<v Speaker 2>And they think so apparently the Department of Education, universities

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<v Speaker 2>both public and private, making free speech and protest a

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<v Speaker 2>bad word, making dissent and disagreement, you know, almost illegal

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<v Speaker 2>in the spaces that you work in. Because I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here appreciating the hope loptimism that you still have about

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<v Speaker 2>the power that we have as a country and the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we can still do to fight back. I

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<v Speaker 2>sit back and wonder if before we're able to exercise

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<v Speaker 2>those freedoms and those rights, they'll be taken. They'll be gone,

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<v Speaker 2>they will no longer be a path forward for us

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<v Speaker 2>to exercise the power that we have as a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote free country and a free people in a democratic republic.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you continue to wear the smile and the

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<v Speaker 2>hopeful optimism that you do in the face of what

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing happen with this administration? Because I'm sitting over

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<v Speaker 2>here like very proud of you and admiring you and

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<v Speaker 2>jealous of you because so much of my hopeful flame

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<v Speaker 2>has been extinguished.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I'm here to reignite it. That's the job of

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<v Speaker 5>an organizer.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I do this work?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? I like a good challenge, and I like a

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<v Speaker 5>good challenge, but also like it's a conversation about privilege, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I was born in the United States just because

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<v Speaker 5>of where I got lucky enough to be born in

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<v Speaker 5>the US. That gives me so much privilege. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>born rich. You know, we're working poor. But everything I have,

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<v Speaker 5>I got here and people like me don't usually, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't expect them to be in the room doing

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<v Speaker 5>this kind of work. It's but I got here because

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<v Speaker 5>like I had access to great teachers. Like my teachers

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<v Speaker 5>were Jewish, they taught me about the Holocaust. My neighbors

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<v Speaker 5>were black, they taught me about the Civil rights. Like

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<v Speaker 5>I had all these amazing people just pouring into me.

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<v Speaker 5>And it is my job to pour into others and

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that you know that hard life that I lived,

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<v Speaker 5>that nobody else has to walk in those difficult footsteps,

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<v Speaker 5>because we we deserve more, and we deserve to do

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<v Speaker 5>right by our neighbors, our friends, our family, like our

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<v Speaker 5>future generations. It's just the right thing to do. And

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<v Speaker 5>also like I also don't have privilege that I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not a white person who thinks that I'm gonna be fine,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I don't get to to give up because there's

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<v Speaker 5>gonna be people who are suffering worse than I do

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<v Speaker 5>than I will, and and and so that's how I

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<v Speaker 5>keep going. But I will. You know, on the way here,

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<v Speaker 5>the universe played this song and so I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, ask a question to your audience. And this

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<v Speaker 5>is a hey, yeah lyric, let's go. And so it's

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<v Speaker 5>just a wyo, wyo, Wyo. Why are we so in

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<v Speaker 5>denial when we know we're not happy here?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>So uh yeah, like like if we're upset with what's happening,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, we're we are in an abusive relationship with

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<v Speaker 5>a dictator. Like I'm not going to sugarcoat it, but

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<v Speaker 5>we do have our constitutional rights. We have the freedom

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<v Speaker 5>of expression and you know, and I've been scared to

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<v Speaker 5>like be public about things on social media, but like

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<v Speaker 5>what here I am, you know, and you know, like

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<v Speaker 5>we have these amazing rights bestowed to us by the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 5>foreign born or not, that we get to fight for

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<v Speaker 5>and we get to have. And so yeah, like things

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<v Speaker 5>are bad, but things have been worse and there's only

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<v Speaker 5>up from here, and you know, like like just think

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<v Speaker 5>about it this way, like, yeah, things are gonna get

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<v Speaker 5>really bad, like stuff's gonna hit the fan, right, but

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<v Speaker 5>we're gonna get to rebuilt on the other side of this.

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<v Speaker 5>And so like what do you want that world to

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<v Speaker 5>look like? Like you you get to shape it? Like

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<v Speaker 5>that is the beauty of our people in this country,

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<v Speaker 5>the land of opportunity. So like, I don't know, slide

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<v Speaker 5>into my d MS in a good way and we

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<v Speaker 5>can talk. We can talk about like where you were,

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<v Speaker 5>where you belong, like let's find you your moment. And

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<v Speaker 5>to our artists are are you know, the muses the

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<v Speaker 5>people that inspire us, like I challenge you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>very musicians that you play on the station to inspire

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<v Speaker 5>the listeners. You know, I'm from Miami, So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 5>talk about Two Life Crew because but there's this other

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<v Speaker 5>album that they made. Okay, so you might not know this,

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<v Speaker 5>but in the early nineties, the Reagans, these conservative people

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<v Speaker 5>were really upset about Miami booty based and I just

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<v Speaker 5>think that you know, they too are oppressed people and

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<v Speaker 5>have never been invited to a good getty. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's why MAGA is so upset. Truly, they got

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<v Speaker 5>left out, but don't worry, we can fix that for you.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, Uncle Luke, they were making this music

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<v Speaker 5>and people were up in arms, and that's not why

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<v Speaker 5>we have like the explicit little warning label. But like

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<v Speaker 5>they wrote an entire album making fun of the legislators,

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<v Speaker 5>like the people who like ratted them out, like all

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<v Speaker 5>these things, and you know, and they have like this

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<v Speaker 5>really wonderful album talking about you know, like what happened

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<v Speaker 5>to them and how they fought and they won because

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<v Speaker 5>we have the First Amendment, we have freedom of expression

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<v Speaker 5>and freedom of speech, and so I don't know, look

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<v Speaker 5>it up. It's great. Uncle Luke is also very politically involved.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a long time for band in the USA.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen listening to you talk that it's very special, And

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<v Speaker 1>I hope I don't go on too long here, but

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely want to say something because we talk to

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<v Speaker 1>people at the highest heights of activism, of media, of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doctor Kendy's been on, We've had Joy Read

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<v Speaker 1>was on recently. We had you know, pick a person,

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<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Rice, we had any name, and then we talked

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<v Speaker 1>to each other quite a bit on the show. But

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<v Speaker 1>for many people in the world, people listening you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they wake up and then they go to work, and

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<v Speaker 1>then after work they get their kids, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>go home, and then you know, they wake up the

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<v Speaker 1>next day and then there's more news on their phone

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, oh my god, Okay, well now we

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<v Speaker 1>have to figure out this and don't care. They rolled

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<v Speaker 1>that back and there's no more of that. So what

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<v Speaker 1>are my kids? What's going to happen for my children?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Reality for a lot of people. Wake up every day

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<v Speaker 1>to another gut punch from this administration. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>reality for a lot of folks during the first Trump

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<v Speaker 1>presis every single day there was something design. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>having a conversation with you a person that can work

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<v Speaker 1>at any level and do more than like a post

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram or vote every couple of you know years

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but actually get out there and get active

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<v Speaker 1>with free time or get other people galvanized in the

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<v Speaker 1>community to get active and make some changes. Providing that

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<v Speaker 1>framework for our listeners, I think that's really what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people might be looking for when they when

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<v Speaker 1>they're confronting their own helplessness, that feeling of helplessness. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to speak to this as well because the

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<v Speaker 1>way you broke down diversity, equity and inclusion is the

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<v Speaker 1>way Q breaks down diversity, equity and inclusion. He makes

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<v Speaker 1>sure to say it fully to people, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>dare them to attack it because DEI as an acronym.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's become a bad word. But I often

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<v Speaker 1>get us some trouble, and sometimes Q gets us some trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one's mind, I'll fall on this sword. I

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<v Speaker 1>will break down what it is that woke means for

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<v Speaker 1>people like I don't coward coward from that word.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So if people are like, oh this woke nonsense, yep, soul, woke,

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<v Speaker 1>you sleep, you know what I'm saying, Like, I sleep, woke,

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<v Speaker 1>stay woke, and I don't. I don't let them bully

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<v Speaker 1>that word out of my vocabulary. Right, say it's true

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<v Speaker 1>with DI Right, these are good words and good terms,

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<v Speaker 1>and any morally human being would agree with that. The

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<v Speaker 1>only people that could challenge that, the only people that

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<v Speaker 1>do challenge that are often enough to break it down

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<v Speaker 1>one more time on the show Heterosexual, Christian, straight, healthy

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<v Speaker 1>white male and I can tell you what, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we might have to get there. Let me stick the

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<v Speaker 1>land out and that's not to say that all of

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.720
<v Speaker 1>them are on that, but those people and the people

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<v Speaker 1>that stand to benefit from them holding on to what

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:34.120
<v Speaker 1>power they have, they have managed to turn everything into

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<v Speaker 1>a personal attack on them, and they have misrepresented the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 2>They have they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss misinterpreted or I'm not sure that it's the right word,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've used that for cover for themselves, and they

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so defied the equity part of it, because

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act was to bring about equity. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet and still they will judge us by their standards. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>black people are only at this level. Well white people

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.480
<v Speaker 1>are at this level, and then they will blame things

0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.240
<v Speaker 1>like an inferior culture as opposed to blaming things that

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<v Speaker 1>are just like systemic oppression, systemic issues. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk too much.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll talk to us a little bit about you know

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.439
<v Speaker 4>why this specific group of people feels that way, because

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<v Speaker 4>I want to say this too. Those are still our brothers.

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<v Speaker 4>They're always are going to be our brothers. But maybe

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<v Speaker 4>we're missing something or maybe there's a different approach.

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<v Speaker 2>We can take.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there's I think there's like two things going

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<v Speaker 5>on here. Like one, we are systematically, like always online,

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<v Speaker 5>and there's just like bad information out there, and so

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<v Speaker 5>we have to be careful with how we consume information.

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<v Speaker 5>But then the real thing is, you know, and I've

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<v Speaker 5>done a lot of work in therapy, and so I

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<v Speaker 5>can tell you that, you know, it's it's hard doing

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<v Speaker 5>this work, and so you got to get yourself a

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<v Speaker 5>support system. But they are projecting their fears onto us.

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<v Speaker 5>White males in specific are afraid that when people of color,

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<v Speaker 5>oppressed people, minorities, marginalized communities, when we come into power,

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<v Speaker 5>they are afraid that we are going to treat them

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<v Speaker 5>the way that they have treated us, you know, like

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<v Speaker 5>And so I'll leave you with this one thought is

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<v Speaker 5>people who have been oppressed are the only ones who

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<v Speaker 5>can undo that oppression. And that's why you need to

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<v Speaker 5>have a pro black movement that is full of allies

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<v Speaker 5>to free us.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, well well said, and we're gonna leave

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<v Speaker 1>it right there, not because we don't want to keep talking,

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<v Speaker 1>but because time is a finite resource on these stations.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Zamie Perez, thank you for taking the time

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<v Speaker 1>to come and talk to us and sharing the work

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<v Speaker 1>that you do. I want to share your social media

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<v Speaker 1>one more time at your political prima. People can find

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<v Speaker 1>you on TikTok and Instagram and you know, keep up

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<v Speaker 1>with you, get more information. Hopefully you'll come back on

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<v Speaker 1>the show and you know we'll continue to build because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a fantastic speaker and we definitely need that. Be

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