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Speaker 1: to discuss Mississippi States prospects and a number of intriguing

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Speaker 1: players coming from the Bulldogs program. And to get into

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Speaker 1: that right away, we're joined by Mississippi State Radio play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Neil Price. Neil, you got Lance medal,

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. Greatly, appreciate the time, how's everything, It's great.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you guys today. Well, we're glad

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Speaker 1: you could join us. We've certainly enjoyed all of these

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Speaker 1: guys who have been able to help us out with

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Speaker 1: with the draft previews. And you know, I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you some thing, Neil, I'm a big Mantes sweat guy,

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Speaker 1: and I think that he would fit very well with

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Speaker 1: a Betcher's scheme here at the Giants runs a multiple

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Speaker 1: three four with a stand up guy on the edge

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Speaker 1: I think one of the comparisons that I see with

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Speaker 1: Sweat and I think it's accurate. Physically, he reminds me

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Speaker 1: a lot of Jason Taylor, the former great pass rusher

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Speaker 1: from the Dolphins and the Redskins. But yet when you

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Speaker 1: the combine, there are some who will say, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's a fitted six values probably a little high.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he should be down in the ten to twelve range.

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Speaker 1: So if you could explain to me, as well as

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Speaker 1: why there would be such a variance of opinion on

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Speaker 1: a guy who appears to have a universe of talent,

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Speaker 1: I think some of it, Paul may come from that

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Speaker 1: he came out at Duco and the numbers that he

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Speaker 1: he played for State. Uh, but he did it in

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Speaker 1: the SEC you know, And I think that lends some

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Speaker 1: gravity to the folks who maybe having rated higher on

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Speaker 1: and I'm no expert, but he's fast, he's physical, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, he almost caught the career sacks leader at

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Speaker 1: if somebody gets a value out of him, so be it.

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Speaker 1: But he is a fantastic football player, and he has

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Speaker 1: think sweats attributes are in terms of his motor. His

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Speaker 1: and he did both of those at Mississippi State, you know,

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Speaker 1: The other thing I would want to ask you, Neil,

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Speaker 1: if he stayed Radio play by play announcer Neil Price,

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Speaker 1: preparing for the draft, Neil, as you well know, and

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Speaker 1: and we're like, Okay, look, this guy can handle the job.

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Speaker 1: Let's move him inside. We can have someone else play

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Speaker 1: right tackle. No, I think it was it was they

433
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Speaker 1: could they could move him there and he could help

434
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Speaker 1: him at center, and they could replace him at right tackle.

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Speaker 1: The previous staff, uh, you know, always seemingly moved an

436
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Speaker 1: interior alignment to center. They never had what you would

437
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Speaker 1: call a dedicated recruit that came in and played three

438
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Speaker 1: years or two years at that position. More often than not,

439
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Speaker 1: they moved people around on the offensive line based on

440
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Speaker 1: who they thought could be a good fit at that spot.

441
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Speaker 1: Happened to be Elton Jenkins last year, and it has

442
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with unhappiness with him at any other

443
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Speaker 1: spot that he's played. They plugged him in all those

444
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Speaker 1: places because I believe they thought he was the best

445
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Speaker 1: fit at that time at that particular spot. So I

446
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Speaker 1: think that he played center last year because they felt

447
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Speaker 1: like he was the most reliable guy. But no one

448
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Speaker 1: on the previous staff that I'm aware of, and no

449
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Speaker 1: one on the current staff certainly was unhappy with what

450
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Speaker 1: they saw from him at either of those spots. Lands

451
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Speaker 1: walked down next to his name third day sleeper pick.

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Speaker 1: He'll say he's one of the most under the radar

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Speaker 1: guys out of Mississippi State, So I think that holds

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Speaker 1: a lot of weight as he is. Neil Price, Mississippi

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Speaker 1: States Radio Play by playing ouncer. Neil greatly appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time of the insight. Thanks so much for joining us

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Speaker 1: on the program today. Thank you, no problem. Thanks guys,

458
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Speaker 1: you got it. That is deal Price once again with

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Speaker 1: the breakdown of Mississippi States prospects and Elton Jenk is

460
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Speaker 1: certainly a guy to watch out for in addition to

461
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Speaker 1: the Montes Sweats the Jeffrey Simmons of the world too. Clearly,

462
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Speaker 1: all the focus goes in the direction of and you know,

463
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Speaker 1: spoke very highly of Montes sweat and I think the

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Speaker 1: biggest selling point that he brought to the forefront. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you could say, oh, well, it's the easiest

466
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Speaker 1: factor to turn to, but he's right. Spent two years

467
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Speaker 1: in the SEC. Paul Listen. I don't care whether you

468
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Speaker 1: love him or you think he has a tremendous out upside.

469
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Speaker 1: To get double digit sacks in both of his two

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Speaker 1: seasons in the SEC against that caliber of talent, I'd

471
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Speaker 1: say that's worth something. I'm gonna make it very simple

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Speaker 1: for you. Many years ago, when I started doing this,

473
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Speaker 1: I had a scout tell me when it was early

474
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Speaker 1: in my career. He said, when you go to one

475
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Speaker 1: of the Power five conferences and you see a guy

476
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Speaker 1: put up eye popping numbers that are of significance, you

477
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Speaker 1: better make sure you look at that film because there's

478
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Speaker 1: something there. And if you don't see it the first time,

479
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Speaker 1: look again because there's going to be something there that's

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Speaker 1: going to be worth and sting in. Now, you got

481
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Speaker 1: to determine how high. But you don't do that by accident.

482
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Speaker 1: You know, that's that's the points. Don't just fall into

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Speaker 1: your lap. They just don't. They just don't. There was

484
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Speaker 1: something about this guy that was worth investing in, whatever

485
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Now contrary to that, and there

486
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Speaker 1: are some players in this draft, and I'm not going

487
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Speaker 1: to name names right now, but you can look them

488
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Speaker 1: up who are being talked about high first round and

489
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Speaker 1: their production at power of five schools is rather lackluster.

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Speaker 1: And as the scout said to me, that should be

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Speaker 1: a yellow flag. In fact, to some people it's a

492
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Speaker 1: red flag because if the guy's got this great skill

493
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Speaker 1: set and he played at a power of five school

494
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Speaker 1: and then when the lights were on on Saturday, when

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Speaker 1: they had that packed house and he wasn't making those

496
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Speaker 1: big plays that his skill set says he should, that

497
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Speaker 1: means something's not right. And you better look at that

498
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Speaker 1: tape again to figure out how far he should drop.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one four five one three is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna open up the phone lines for the remainder

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Speaker 1: of the program, and we thank Bill Price for joining

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Speaker 1: us again earlier on to break down the Mississippi State prospects.

503
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Speaker 1: You can also reach out to us on Twitter hashtag

504
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Speaker 1: Giants Chat, as Mississippi State is clearly a team that

505
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Speaker 1: is going to field the number of defensive players. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Abram is another one at the safety position, and he

507
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Speaker 1: said he's more of a box guy than necessarily a

508
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Speaker 1: center fielder. And the Giants were aggressive in revamping the

509
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Speaker 1: safety position, bringing in Antoine Bafet and acquiring Jabrill Peppers.

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Speaker 1: But you can still argue, Paul, there's room to add

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Speaker 1: another young safety to this roster if they want to

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Speaker 1: continue to develop somebody. So I wouldn't remove that position

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Speaker 1: from perhaps something of interest from the Giants perspective when

514
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Speaker 1: it comes to the draft, I would say most positions

515
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Speaker 1: are on the table. You know, maybe tight end is

516
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Speaker 1: not necessarily the biggest priority given what they have working

517
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Speaker 1: on the roster, but I would not rule out safety.

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Speaker 1: Corners certainly is one that you would think they're gonna

519
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Speaker 1: look to bring in some youth, given some of the

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Speaker 1: players that have left the organization over the last few seasons. Well,

521
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Speaker 1: we know that the draft is very, very stacked and

522
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Speaker 1: defensive players. And so when the Giants talk about best

523
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: player available and then they also talk about need, and

524
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Speaker 1: both of those arrows point to defense, it's a pretty

525
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: safe bet they're gonna stack this draft with defensive draft picks.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I keep telling people all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to say, well the team

528
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Speaker 1: needs this, the team needs that. That's your first instinct.

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Speaker 1: You always want to say, well, what does the team need?

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Speaker 1: I get it. This organization thinks the other way. They

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Speaker 1: think value, best player available. Then the need kind of

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Speaker 1: quotition comes in secondary. All right, that that gets thrown

533
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Speaker 1: into the meat loaf, but it's not the primary focus. Well,

534
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Speaker 1: this year you can talk a lot about need because

535
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Speaker 1: need also happens to match up with value. To me,

536
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Speaker 1: it just makes things so much easier when you happen

537
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: to know that the stuff you're going shopping for is

538
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: already on the supermarket shelf, just waiting to be plucked.

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00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: That's a good thing to produce, is fresh. Yes, Oh

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Speaker 1: I like that. I like that learning from the best

541
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the food. All right, nice, not

542
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: a pasta analogy. The tomatoes are right, see I do

543
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Speaker 1: you're going to go in that direction. It wasn't pasta,

544
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Speaker 1: but it was at least in that neck of the woods.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five, one three. All right, let's open

546
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Speaker 1: up the phone lines. We've got Jason in Virginia. He

547
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: gets things going for us here on Friday's edition of

548
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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live, what's happened to Jason much? Are

549
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: you guys? Hello? Very well? What's on your mind? All right? Um?

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00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: So the big things big three seem to be Allan,

551
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Speaker 1: Williams and Bosa. If one of those three guys starts

552
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: falling at any point, do you think the Giants would

553
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: consider trading up to grab one of them? And if so,

554
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: how far do you think they'd have to fall to

555
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: think about to really consider, Hey, let's do this. Well,

556
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: I think Post is gonna be off the board two

557
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: or three. I'd be stunned if he falls lower than that.

558
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Speaker 1: So I just don't think Post is a realistic option

559
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: to start to say four five, he's in the range?

560
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Do we make a move? I think that's a pipe dream.

561
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Speaker 1: Is it possible that Alan moves into that four range?

562
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Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams the four five range? Yes, Paul, I do

563
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: think that's feasible. But I think also the Giants need

564
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: to ask themselves based on your question, do we like

565
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: multiple defensive lineman? Do we like multiple pass rushers? Is

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Speaker 1: there that big of a disparity where it's unnecessary. Paul

567
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: from a value standpoint, to waste to pick simply to

568
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: move up one spot to get one of these guys.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Lands. I don't think you move up

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Speaker 1: just one spot by giving up another valuable pick when

571
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: you need so many guys on defense and a defensive

572
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: oriented draft. I mean, I don't think there's much doubt

573
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Speaker 1: in their minds. And you know, Dave Gentleman will have

574
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Speaker 1: his pre draft press conference with the media next week,

575
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Speaker 1: so we will hear from Mr Getleman and hear some

576
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: of what he's got to say. I believe it's on Thursday.

577
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is they probably believe they can

578
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Speaker 1: get an impact pass rusher at six without having to

579
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: make a move. And and if they do, and I

580
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: think they do, you don't make a deal. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: So I think that has to be the logic. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll add another layer to what Paul said.

583
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Speaker 1: Not only do they have the sixth overall pick, where

584
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get great value to begin with,

585
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Speaker 1: they also already have another first round pick, so you're

586
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Speaker 1: gonna have multiple assets in the first round to take

587
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Speaker 1: full advantage. I just don't think the itch to move

588
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Speaker 1: up one spot is practical into those circumstances. Because with that,

589
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: then um, Allen and Williams, do you really think, um,

590
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: is it that big? Are they sort of? You know,

591
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: one B, one C? And then when you get to

592
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: that next tier there's really not that big of a

593
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: difference between that tier and those two because it sounds like,

594
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Speaker 1: you know, Roses seems to be your bolt. You guys consensus,

595
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: he's the best pass rusher in this draft. So other

596
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: than Allen, Allen and Williams has got a big disparage

597
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: between them and the next year we'll keep in mind.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll let you go on that note and appreciate

599
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Speaker 1: the phone call. Jan, thank you what you're weighing in.

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Speaker 1: You got it to me. They're two different players, Paul,

601
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Speaker 1: would be my response to that, when you want to

602
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Speaker 1: say one B and one seat. Williams is a defensive

603
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: tackle who I think is versatile enough that if you

604
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Speaker 1: wanted to line him up on the edge, I think

605
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: he could be effective. But if you were to ask me,

606
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Speaker 1: Paul quinnin Williams and Oliver out of Houston, I could

607
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Speaker 1: live with both. So if I don't get Williams, well

608
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Speaker 1: that's That's what I'm responding to the caller. So I

609
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Speaker 1: don't think there's a huge disparity. Oliver is not that

610
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Speaker 1: far behind, correct, So meaning if you miss out on

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Speaker 1: Williams and you're there at six and you love Oliver,

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, it's great value. Well, and I

613
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Speaker 1: do think that if you're talking about the pass rushing linebacker, Okay,

614
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Speaker 1: you could talk about Sweat in a very very favorable conversation,

615
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Speaker 1: you could also say the same thing about Look. I

616
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: may not be as big on Brian Burns as some

617
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: people are, but there are those who think he might

618
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Speaker 1: wind up being the best pure outside pass rushing linebacker

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Speaker 1: in this draft because of his athletics. So between Sweat

620
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Speaker 1: and Burns, if you don't get Alan, you probably get

621
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Speaker 1: one of those two guys if you want well, but

622
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Speaker 1: here's another thing to factor in. It's possible you could

623
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Speaker 1: get maybe Ed Oliver at six. And I don't think

624
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: it's crazy to think Burns may still be available at seventeen.

625
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: You think it's automatically guaranteed that Burns is gonna be

626
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance he's gone. And look,

627
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Speaker 1: and and again I'm I'm a huge Clellan feral fan. Okay,

628
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: I've made that. I've made that very clear. But to me,

629
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Speaker 1: to me, he is a defensive end. Okay, you're not

630
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: standing him very often, if at all. I think he

631
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: needs to be a defensive. I think he's a perfect fourth.

632
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Speaker 1: I don't think he fits the Giants scheme as well

633
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: as those other guys. That's probably why I don't think

634
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: they will take him. I would take Ferrell in a heartbeat.

635
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: I absolutely love this guy at six. I just don't

636
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: think he fits bet You's scheme as well as some

637
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: of these other fellows, which is why I think the

638
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: Giants will go in a different direction. But you could,

639
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Speaker 1: certainly if you're a four three team, jump at the

640
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: board for for Clelin Ferrell without a doubt. Hey reminder,

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light download the

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Speaker 1: five one three. Pat is in Rochester. Pat, welcome aboard.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us? Yes, I've been watching

646
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: your program for quite a while now and I really

647
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: enjoy you guys very much. Thank you. Thanks Um, I've

648
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: been thinking about this team, and well, we all as stands,

649
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: we say, this is our team. And I've been watching

650
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: this team since the quarterback ward number forty two, and

651
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: all I know, ironically it happens to be from Mississippi too.

652
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: But in any case, uh, I was looking at the

653
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. I think in the upcoming draft,

654
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: that's what we should focus on. Eli Manning cannot complete

655
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: passes when he's sitting on his butt. Okay, offensive lineman,

656
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: they I see them being picked up in free agency. Well,

657
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: free agencies already slowed down, yeah, but I mean i've

658
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: seen them pick up rolling the trade with Beckham. Yeah. Absolutely,

659
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: these are great, great assets for for for the offensive line,

660
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: and I see that happening to it. If possible, get

661
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: a light tackle, okay, to show up that side. Um,

662
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: But as far as I'm concerned, when I watched the

663
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: Giants play the Bills, okay in the Super Bowl that

664
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: one year, all I know is that Bill's defense was

665
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: sucking win because they couldn't get off the field. And

666
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: I find that's what's been happening to the Giants. They

667
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: can't get off the field. So consequently, when the other

668
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: team has the ball, they have these long drives, okay,

669
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: or their defense gets off the field quick, all right,

670
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: and their offense holds the ball so long. That's what

671
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: we were able to do in the past. So I'm

672
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: looking at this anything that we need, okay, it's defense.

673
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you guys feel the same way. And

674
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm very confident in the brain trust. You know, well, yeah,

675
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: packing necessary people, what we're going ahead to show up

676
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: that defense. I agree with your thousand in percent. I

677
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: will just say this though, and I've I've allowed myself

678
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: to put a little asterisk next to this conversation every

679
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: time we have it, and that is if the Giants

680
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: believe that the next and I'm gonna bring up this

681
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: name because he just passed away, Forrest Gregg, the Hall

682
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: of Fame right tackle from the Green Bay Packers. God

683
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: bless him and our condolences to his friends and family.

684
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Forest Gregg, one of the great NFL legends of all time.

685
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: If if the Giants believe that there is an absolute

686
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: lock stud perennial Pro Bowl right tackle at six, and

687
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: they decide that they want to make that move there

688
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: and then use you know, their their next pick at

689
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: seventeen on a pass rusher and maybe thirty seven on

690
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: a pass rusher or a corner. I could live with

691
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: that too, because if they have conviction that let's just

692
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: say they believe that, uh that that that Jonah Williams

693
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: is the guy. Let's say they believe that and they

694
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: pick him there, you can't kill him for that because

695
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: they could use a stud right tackle. They absolutely could.

696
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: So what I've been telling people is this, they have

697
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Speaker 1: two first round picks, a second round pick in the

698
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Speaker 1: third round pick. In my opinion, although all those picks,

699
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: you gotta get three defensive studs and one stud right

700
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: tackle out of those four picks. I don't care where

701
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: they take them as long as they come out with

702
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: that kind of result by the end of the day,

703
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: that's all I care about. Well, and Pat, I think

704
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: you bring up very fair points about the defense needing

705
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: to showcase some balance. There's no doubt about it. I mean, statistically,

706
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: last season, not even just from a statistic standpoint, from

707
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: an eye test standpoint, there were a number of games

708
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: where the defense was on the field last and the

709
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: Giants were in an offensive battle and wound up losing

710
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: the game because their defense couldn't get off the field.

711
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: The defense was tied for thirty in sacks overallainst the

712
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: past against the run. I've got the numbers in front

713
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: of me, and the one that's the biggest inkling is

714
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: twenty if on third down efficiency, which is your point,

715
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: not being able to get off the field. So I

716
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: agree with you wholeheartedly. I mean, that is by far

717
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: a major need across the board. The one thing, though,

718
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I will add is you just still can't go into

719
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: a draft regardless that being in need, saying we've got

720
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: to get defensive players in the first four rounds. To

721
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Paul's point, because if you think that an offensive player

722
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: falls to you who has tremendous upside and value, I

723
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: think there's a very fair argument to say you take

724
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: the offensive player because of a value standpoint. I just

725
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: gave you that scenario. But I'm not even talking about

726
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: right tackle, Paul. I'm bringing up it may be a position,

727
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: let's say a wide receiver, and there are a lot

728
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: of fans that a probably gonna look on paper and say,

729
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: you got Sterling Shepherd, you have Golden Tate, You've got

730
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: some depth coming back. It may not be priority number one.

731
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: For all we know, they value a wide receiver and

732
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: it's sevent overall. They like the upside on the guy

733
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Speaker 1: they take a wide receiver. I'm sure the initial reaction

734
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: is going to be, wait a minute, they need help

735
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: from a pass Russian standpoint, why are they taking a

736
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver? I would have in this evaluation is it

737
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't you say? Could you say the best defense a

738
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: team could have is a stained as a stained offense? Well,

739
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: it's the method that the Cowboys used some years ago

740
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: when they had to Marco Murray, who was able to

741
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: run the ball allow them to control the clock and

742
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: keep their miserable defense off the field. I mean, there's

743
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: no question that is a part of it, which is

744
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: why you need a stud right tackle to help you

745
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: road grade for Kwan Brackley. So if they if they

746
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: thought Cody Ford was really the best guy on the

747
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: board at number six, I have no problem with that

748
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: because you you need you need the stud right tackle

749
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: at some point in the first three rounds. You've got

750
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: to get a stud right tackle who will help you

751
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: ground and pound. That's that's just it's simple and Pat

752
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thanks so much for weighing in

753
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: need and value. When it comes together, makes perfect sense,

754
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: and there is coming together, and that spires opportunities here.

755
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: But all I'm saying is the worst thing you could do,

756
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: even from a fan perspective, is saying they need this,

757
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: so when that pick comes around, they've got to go there.

758
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: And what happens if now, all of a sudden on

759
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: your board there's a drop off at that position, Paul,

760
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: you can need doesn't match value. That's what I'm getting at.

761
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: I think what I'm saying to you is, though we're

762
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: at least the people I've talked to and I'm talking

763
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: about outside the building, I'm never going to tell you

764
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: what what what's what's being said here. That's not what

765
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: we're here for. The football people I talked to believe

766
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: there could be as many as three rounds of plug

767
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: and play right tackles. So therefore, any of the picks

768
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: that they have in the first three rounds could justifiably

769
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: be used on a right tackle because there is enough

770
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: value there. That's what I'm saying. Just like we're talking

771
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: about all these past rushers and these these defensive players,

772
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: there is enough value to get you through three rounds

773
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: of of quality defensive guys who have a chance to

774
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: start immediately. So you know what, that's where you focus

775
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: your attention on because you know that the that the shelf,

776
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: the tomatoes are ripe. I mean so, and there's depth

777
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: on the ship right point. So now you have to

778
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: allow your need to filter into the conversation because you

779
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: know the value is there. You're not reaching for value.

780
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: It's going to be there, at least we believe that

781
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: it will. Like, for example, a guy like Dalton Reisner,

782
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: if he's there high in the second round, if he lasts,

783
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: there's value there. There's great value. Now I will say this,

784
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and John and I talked about this yesterday. I'm more

785
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: animate than John is. I'm not touching a wide receiver

786
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: until at least the third day, and I might not

787
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: even draft one period. I just brought that up as

788
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: an example. I'm not saying that I would go after

789
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: a wide receiver at seventeen. All I'm saying is is

790
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: that fans sometimes get caught up in position need, position need,

791
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and then the pick comes in, it's a completely different position.

792
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: They look at the roster are like, oh, well, you

793
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: know you've got veterans, and the rationale being in their mind,

794
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: the team may feel it's just great value. They can't

795
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: pass up on that player. That's where I'm coming from,

796
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: as you know, something to at least keep in mind anticipate.

797
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: Even though there is a lot of depth in the

798
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: defensive line and pass rusher doesn't mean that they value

799
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the team the same way that the court of public

800
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: opinion does. That's where I'm getting at. Absolutely, let's head

801
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. James is in Virginia. He

802
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: joins us here on a big blue kick off live.

803
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: What's happened to James? Not much? Lands and Paul all

804
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: just want to talk about Eli real quick. Don't get

805
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: rid of him. We need him as long as we

806
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: keep them. Um and like you said, uh, touching on

807
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: the line, the offensive line, you know, maybe get one

808
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: lineman and then some defensive linemen and two defensive backs.

809
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: But other than that, I wish I'm hoping this ship

810
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: we can go eat no starting off. I know that's

811
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: reaching a little bit, but you know, oh, come on,

812
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: every player and every coach should always dream about sixteen

813
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: and oh and then take it from there once you

814
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. Right, Yeah, there you go. I'm

815
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: hoping everything turns out well, you know, I'm GM is

816
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: doing what he's supposed to do. Everybody else is, but

817
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, go Giants. I'm hoping for eight. No, but

818
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: do what they have to do in the draft to

819
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: get better. And I appreciate all what y'all do. Ali, James,

820
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: thank you the phone call. Thanks so much for waging in.

821
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: Remember even if you go eight and oh, they still

822
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: eight more games left. So you want to do much

823
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: better than James, because eight it all, they guarantees your

824
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: five hundred football and they may not make you a

825
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: playoff team. Exactly why I pointed that out. Let's add

826
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,439
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines. We've got Joseph in New York.

827
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: As we move along here on Big Blue Kick Off Live,

828
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: what's happened to Joseph? Hey guys, how are you doing? Caller?

829
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I absolutely love the show, appreciate that. Thank you. UM.

830
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: I want to refer to a college you had yesterday

831
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: that made an analogy or wanted a comparison with oh,

832
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: B J and Donald versus Manning and Berkeley. Uh. The

833
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: problem with that call was they left two key players

834
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: that the Giants acquired in that deal out of that analogy,

835
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: and the Giants lack a you know, offensive line and safety,

836
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: and those are the two key players in that deal

837
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: that I think make a difference. If you look at

838
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: all the giant big time Giant years, they had mass

839
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: quality of players. They didn't have one or two good guys.

840
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: It's all about building a team with strong and and

841
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: strength and a lot of positions. Two. Yeah, No, I

842
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: think that's a very good point, Joseph. You look at

843
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl winning teams in OH seven eleven, even

844
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: going back to the nineties, it wasn't a one man show.

845
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't a one wide receiver show. It was depth,

846
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: and it was multiple pass rushers that Spags was able

847
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: to rotate. It was an offensive line that was extremely

848
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: durable and played well together and built continuity. It was

849
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: running backs that you had multiple guys that were versatile,

850
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: wide receivers, tight ends across the board. You could point

851
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: to various players that put their stamps on the season

852
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: and the postseason run, and not one guy in particular.

853
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: You know, one point that that you could certainly throw

854
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: and it sounds like, my friend, you're you're a little

855
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: bit of an old school guy like I am. One

856
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: thing you could always throw at some of these young people.

857
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: Dan Fouts and Dan Marino were probably two of the

858
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: most prolific arms that this NFL has ever seen. I

859
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: mean when they were flinging it at their peaks of

860
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: their careers, they were putting up historic numbers. I mean,

861
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: we knew about air Coryell and obviously we know what

862
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: Marino did. Okay, Between those guys, they have zero Super

863
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: Bowl rings and they've got one Super Bowl appearance for

864
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Marino early in his career. Okay, And you know why

865
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: because most of those years the Chargers did not have

866
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: a very good defense, and in most of the years

867
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: the Dolphins did not have a very good defense. In fact,

868
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: there were times where neither one of those quarterbacks had

869
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: a great power running game to lean on either. So

870
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: you could take a robot with the best starm in

871
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: the world and say he's my quarterback. But you know what,

872
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: if you don't have a defense and you don't have

873
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: a powerful offensive line, he's not going to the super Bowl.

874
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. That's perfect. I agree. If you

875
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: think about the points you guys are making right now,

876
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: four top quality plug and play players with the two

877
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: that they just picked up, they're doing a six for

878
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: one swap never mind. Um uh, well, you're talking about

879
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: the assets that they got in the old Dell Beckham

880
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: trade that are gonna be added to the roster, that

881
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: can be plugged in. I mean that's essentially what you're

882
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: laying out. And I think that's fair too. Yeah, no,

883
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean that that's that to me, is how I'm

884
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: interpreting your point, Joseph. And you're right, that was the

885
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: whole part of the philosophy. And we'll let you go

886
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: on that note. Appreciate the phone call, the fact that, yes,

887
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: the Giants parted ways with a tremendous talent in Oldell Beckham.

888
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: But based on what the caller said, based on what

889
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: we're echoing is you can have Oldell Beckham on your roster, Paul,

890
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: and that's fine. Or you could say your part ways

891
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: with Oldell Beckham, you bring in two defensive players through

892
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: the draft, you add the safety, you add the offensive lineman,

893
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: and now you have four guys that are contributing across

894
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: the board. Well, don't forget Olivia Vernon was also part well,

895
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: but I'm put them together. But that's why you're right.

896
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: Vernon helped get Zeitler. You can't just look at it

897
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: as all the question completely understand Brows weren't going to

898
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: do that first without getting so. I mean, even if

899
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: we extended the analogy, you say, you're parting ways with

900
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Vernon and Beckham, and by doing that you're getting Jabril Peppers,

901
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: you're getting Exeitler, you're getting multiple picks. That's that's a

902
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: fair way to look. And Dave Gettlan knows this. By

903
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: the way, he needs to hit. So it's all about

904
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: what you do with the He needs to hit the

905
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: And the assets are great. And I get people who

906
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: wise off to me on Twitter when I tell them, okay,

907
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: these are the assets the giants have. They've done a

908
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: good job of accumulating assets as they try to renovate

909
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: their roster. And then the wise guys say to me, okay, yo,

910
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: well you know it doesn't mean anything. Well obviously until

911
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: they make the picks and those guys get here, of course,

912
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: and you see what they do. You're right, it does

913
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: not mean anything. But it's better to have all of

914
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: these bodies and all of these picks than it is

915
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: not to have well, of course, because the goal would

916
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: be you're helping out variety as opposed to just one individual.

917
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, would you rather have eight picks in this

918
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: upcoming draft or twelve. Well, and here's the other thing

919
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: that I think is related to that. And yes, volume

920
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: to me is reported, but for anybody that counters, well,

921
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't mean anything. Let's see what the assets become.

922
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: That's fine, and there's truth behind that. But at the

923
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: same time, the reason why the Giants made some of

924
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: these moves is, even with Vernon and Odell Beckham here,

925
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: it wasn't as if they were making the playoffs consistently

926
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: and raising Lombardi trophies. So when you look at it

927
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: through the lens of yet, we're they're entering the land

928
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: of the unknown the team by bringing an assets and

929
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: you know what's going to become of them. At the

930
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: same time, let's not make it sound as if the

931
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: guys that they parted ways with were consistently And this

932
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: is not a shot against either of those players who

933
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: were very productive and Vernon was an extremely productive player

934
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: even before he came. That's not the point I'm making.

935
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: It's that they needed to make improvements for a reason,

936
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: because you can't just continue to feel the same thing

937
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: over and over again and expect various different results. And

938
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: that's the point. And then I get some of the

939
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: tweets that come in and say, oh, what good is it?

940
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: You know, have all those picks on the third day? Okay, well,

941
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: guess what a my Bradshaw was a seventh round pick.

942
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: You think about Bradshaw helped the Giants win a couple

943
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. He was a big part of the

944
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: eleven team. Maybe a little bit less than seven, but

945
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: a big part of the eleventh team. You can absolutely

946
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: get a seventh rounder who can help you win games

947
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: and win championships. And oh yeah, by the way, how

948
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: about the seventh rounder they traded to get Riley Dixon,

949
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: the partner who's pretty done good. You can and I

950
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: don't disagree with who's the assets. Assets are good. I

951
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: would argue the percentages are a little bit lower, of

952
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: course round I'm not arguing, but I think better to

953
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: have them no than not. But there's a stronger selling

954
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: point to say, Paul, the two first rounders the second round,

955
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: during the third round, they're having those four picks. Okay,

956
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: in addition to Jabril Peppers, is enough value to say

957
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: you've got some structure, some infrastructure to build upon. Now

958
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: the reason why I brought up Jabril Peppers. And this

959
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: is another facet of the debate, and I'm sure you've

960
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: got in responses on Twitter to this point. Peppers is

961
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: value not because he was a former first round pick. Okay,

962
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: I know people are tired of hearing that his value

963
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: once again. Because you control his rights for another two

964
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: years on a rookie contract plus the fifth year option,

965
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: that is value. In a salary cap error pall, that

966
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: is value. I cannot emphasize that enough. I'm tired of

967
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: also getting responses stop telling me Jabrill Peppers is a

968
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: first round pick. That's not the point. It's the value

969
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: of his contract and the upside of the player. Now,

970
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: people would counter that, Paul by saying, well, you don't

971
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: know what Peppers is gonna do. It's a new scheme,

972
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: and you're right, it's just as much of an unknown

973
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: as what they're gonna do with the first round picks.

974
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: But there's still value connected to that. That's not a stretch.

975
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I would also add one other thing which has been

976
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: very much overlooked by every article that I have seen

977
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: printed about the Giants. Brown's combo trade as part of

978
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: the second part of the deal, when the Giants did

979
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: complete the Beckham version after the Olivier Vernon version was

980
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: with the Browns, the Giants were able to reverse the

981
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth round swap with the Browns. Nobody talks

982
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: about this, but the Giants actually wound up moving back

983
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: up twenty three spots in part two of the trade

984
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: that involved Beckham, after they had moved down twenty three

985
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: spots in the Vernon Zeitler trade. So the Beckham deal

986
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: not only provided them with pick number seventeen and Jabril

987
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: Peppers the former number one and the number three picked

988
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: from the Browns, which the Giants did not own the

989
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: number three because of the Beel selection the year before,

990
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: they also wound up moving back up twenty three spots

991
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: into the fourth round. That is so much forgotten, but

992
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what comes Saturday morning, the third day

993
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: of the draft, when the Giants are picking on the

994
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: board at one three instead of at one fifty six,

995
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: You'll be happy that they're picking twenty three spots earlier

996
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: than they would have otherwise. Trust me, that's a lot

997
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: of players to come off the board, twenty three additional

998
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: players to consider. Unto those circumstances. Let's head back to

999
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: the phone lines two five, one three. Carl is in Charlotte.

1000
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: He joins us here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening, Carl?

1001
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: Not much, guys, How are you doing to do it?

1002
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: Very well? What's on your mind? I just wanted to

1003
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: get something off my chest. We've got all of these

1004
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: um guys with their media outlets, whatever the media platform is,

1005
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: even ex players. It's just like the fashion to just

1006
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: bash everything. Gettleman and his crew have been doing everything.

1007
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: They talk about, letting David's flipto um, letting go of Collins,

1008
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: letting go of beck them. First of all, Gettleman didn't

1009
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: sign any of those guys, and they conveniently forget that

1010
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, none of those guys were his picks.

1011
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah. And second of all, thy saying that

1012
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: that get him and doesn't know what he's doing. He

1013
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: didn't get a quarterback last year, and if he doesn't

1014
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: get one now, the Giants are doomed for ten years.

1015
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: That's everybody's platform. My thing is, if you remember Ryan Leaf,

1016
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: he was neck and neck with Payton Manning. My belief

1017
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: is that if Ryan Leaf had gone to another organization,

1018
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: maybe with the Bill Belichick or a Tom Coplan, he

1019
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: might have been just as good or at least a

1020
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: serviceable quarterback. What do you guys think about that? Well,

1021
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: I do think the environment helped shape the quarterback, There's

1022
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I think with Ryan Leaf the

1023
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: attitude was an issue and that certainly came back to

1024
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: bite him. So you know, if he's with another coaches

1025
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: he as accepting of the coaching, is he opened to that?

1026
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: You know? The other thing, by the way that people

1027
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: forget Ryan Leaf had an unbelievable preseason, not that that

1028
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: means anything, but people forget that he took the lead

1029
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: by storm at a great preseason, had a decent first start,

1030
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he had that bad

1031
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: weather game I think it was against Kansas City, could

1032
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: not complete a passive. His life depended on him because

1033
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride was with him from a Giant's offensive cordinator

1034
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: and then just things when a wall and I think

1035
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: part of it was him not being exposed to that

1036
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: adversity in college when he was at the top of

1037
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: the world. It's Carl right, we have them the line, Yes,

1038
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: we have Carl. Let me let me just throw something

1039
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: out at you, and you, guys know, I'm not a

1040
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: huge analytics fan. I think they're the irregular on the pizza.

1041
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: They're not really the pizza. There's another food analogy. But

1042
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: but but I'm gonna mention something to you. I just

1043
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: saw the other day Football Outsiders, which is one of

1044
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: the analytics websites that does historical studies on stats, and

1045
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: what they determined was that of first round quarterbacks who

1046
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: have been taken in the last dozen years or so,

1047
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: by their analytics, only what the eight percent of those

1048
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: could be qualified as good. In other words, the bust

1049
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: rate on first round quarterbacks is approximately three fourths or seventy.

1050
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: So if you don't absolutely have a hundred and fifty

1051
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: percent convey ship about a quarterback, you can't take him

1052
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: in the first round Because how would you like to

1053
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: take a QB in the first round, especially in the

1054
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: top ten, and say, you know what, we thought he

1055
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: was really good, but we weren't pound the table sure

1056
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: he was going to be good, and then he turns

1057
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: out to be a bust, which the odds say he

1058
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: will be. How are you going to feel? Then? Then

1059
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: that's your own fault. Then look in the mirror you know,

1060
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: these guys are saying, yeah, hello, Paul, Yeah, yeah yeah.

1061
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: These guys are saying that the Giants screwed up last year,

1062
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: they're screwing up even end, and they're saying, that's why, Carl,

1063
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: you can't evaluate draft picks after one year. You know,

1064
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: anybody who jumps the gun is basically just going basic opinion.

1065
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: You have to see how it takes play out. Here's

1066
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: what you need to know. It's very lazy, convenient, and

1067
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: easy to take shots at an organization that has had

1068
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: a lot of losing seasons recently and is still in

1069
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: the middle of reconstructing its team. It's the easiest thing

1070
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: to do. It's the lazy way out, and and unfortunately

1071
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: that's the environment we're living in right now. Well, nobody's

1072
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: coming to the point that I've come through that gentleman

1073
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: had a pretty dawn good draft. Of course he did,

1074
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: and I think he's doing. Yeah, he's not convicted on

1075
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: a quarterback if he doesn't have to wait a year

1076
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: or pick later in the draft. But they're killing the Giant. Look,

1077
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: he's he's got enough. This is what I think that

1078
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls come on. All you need to do

1079
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: is understand when you look at Gentleman's resume, he has

1080
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: been a part of a front office that has been

1081
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: to so many Super Bowls. He could wallpaper his office

1082
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: with the amount of success he's had in his career.

1083
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: That's all you need to say, And Carl appreciate the

1084
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: phone so much for weighing in. The one thing though,

1085
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: I will throw out, relevant to what the caller brought up.

1086
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to say the higher you pick a quarterback,

1087
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: the more success you have. So you know, anybody who

1088
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: says you shouldn't wait for the third or fourth round

1089
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback, that's a very fair point. Okay,

1090
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: that's true. You can have a higher success by picking

1091
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: him higher. But it's also proven that there is a

1092
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: very high bust rate, even at its best case scenario,

1093
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: there is a high bust rate on quarterbacks well because

1094
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: of also the importance of the position and if the

1095
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: position doesn't pan out, Paul, yeah, it could set you back. Okay,

1096
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: that's a selection you could have used on a running

1097
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: back or a defensive tackle. Which is that I the

1098
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: only time a GM should take one in the first

1099
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: round is if he's all in on him, because this

1100
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: way he could look himself in the mirror and say,

1101
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: you know what, if the guy busted, at least he

1102
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: can look himself in the mirror and say, I was

1103
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: sure he was gonna be great. I have to live

1104
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: with it because everything I had said he was a

1105
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: lock like Ryan Leaf and it didn't work out. You

1106
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: have to be able to swallow that because the failure

1107
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: rate for first round qbs is so high. But if

1108
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: you go in with any doubt and you pick that

1109
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: guy and he flames out, shame on you. Because for example,

1110
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell and I'm not gonna revisit what the quotes

1111
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: were around with the time that he was drafted, But

1112
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: if Oakland, they were just saying to themselves, you know what,

1113
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: we need a quarterback. He's the most highly ready quarterback.

1114
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: Let's just take him. And everybody in the room was

1115
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: sort of on the fence. Yes, that would be the

1116
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: perfect example, Paul to what you're talking about. But if

1117
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: you go around the room and everybody loves Dwayne Haskins

1118
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: and they're saying, hey, hand in the car, take him

1119
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: at six, then you know what, I don't blame that philosophy. Well,

1120
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: the Browns forced him couch The Browns forced Johnny Manziel. Right,

1121
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't as high, but he was still first round.

1122
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Ship was very high on Mantel, his flavor, his flair.

1123
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of factors that were

1124
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: brought to the forefront there that had nothing to do

1125
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: with exces and owes. So your point is well taken there.

1126
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: The Jets forced Mark Sanchez. They were desperate for a quarterback.

1127
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: They took Mark Sanchez. I know he had some measure

1128
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: of success because of their system, the ground and pound.

1129
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: They were to use him as a game manager and

1130
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: win some games and championship. But do you honestly believe

1131
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: his independent value was worthy of where that pick was,

1132
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: of course of the career stid Well, Listen, if I

1133
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: went back to that draft and you looked at how

1134
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: all those other guys panned out, yeah, I would agree

1135
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: with you. I think they would have gotten better value.

1136
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: The Giants forced Brown many years ago. I don't think

1137
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: it was crazy. Okay, they forced day Brown many years ago.

1138
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: They used the first round supplemental on it. They were

1139
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: worried Phil sims Is getting older. They forced Dave Brown.

1140
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: He was a bust, good guy. I got all of

1141
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: them great, terrific guy. He was a bust. They forced it,

1142
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: they paid for it. You force it, You paid for it,

1143
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: You made your bed, You're live in it. That's why

1144
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: you don't take a quarterback for the sake of taking

1145
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback, regardless of the need. You take a quarterback

1146
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: because you believe that guy has the potential to be

1147
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. And that's what the Giant Seed asked themselves.

1148
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: If they're in a position at six, assuming they don't

1149
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: move and there's still quality quarterbacks on the board, let's

1150
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Drew is in Virginia. Drew,

1151
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: welcome the big lout kick off live. What's on your mind?

1152
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: And I said, cool, you can hay landside. How you

1153
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: doing trying speak sir? What us? I got a quick

1154
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: quick one? Um yeah, so um talking about quarterback. And

1155
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you guys just just having that conversation. UM,

1156
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: and it's I'm not I'm not ready to dump a

1157
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: dump eli yet. Um. You know there's been a lot

1158
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: of talking. I noticed all been hashed over a million times.

1159
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: But we are going to need a quarterback. There's no

1160
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: doubt about that. We all know that. With that said, UM,

1161
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, I'm kind of worried about

1162
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: this Dwayne Haskins. I don't think the Giants is gonna

1163
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: pick him. I don't know. I'm not one high on him.

1164
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: But basically, UM, what is your thoughts on Dwayne Haskins

1165
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: and actually and what is your overall thought anyway for

1166
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback replacement? Um, I'm you might have talked about

1167
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: this before, but I haven't listened to every show so

1168
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: mainly on my my thing there is on For me,

1169
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Dwayne Haskins is necessarily a fit for

1170
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: the Giants. I know he had a phenomenal eighteen season,

1171
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: but I've always been enough to offer the opinion and

1172
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: still lamb now that one year does not make a

1173
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: career well, and I think that's one of the biggest

1174
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: question marks. That you hit it right on the nose.

1175
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: You know, teams would love to see a guy be

1176
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: a starter in college for at least two years. Sometimes

1177
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: you have the luxury of three and then you say, hey,

1178
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I saw what he could do. And

1179
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: that was the case for most of the quarterbacks. If

1180
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: you were called Drew from last year's class, they had

1181
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: multiple years as starting caliber quarterbacks. This year's class, Kyler

1182
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: Murray and Dwayne Haskins are one year starters. So a

1183
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: lot of it is based on a small sample size

1184
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I saw enough, they're a good fit

1185
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: for our system, and we believe we can make things happen. Now,

1186
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different if you have

1187
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's only started for one year and your

1188
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: goal is you're not gonna do baptism by fire, meaning

1189
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna do with the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes

1190
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: you sent him for a year. I don't know if

1191
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: the concern then is as overwhelming as when you're drafting

1192
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: the guy and you expected to be the starter day one.

1193
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the philosophy is a little bit different there. So

1194
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: that is something also free with that last I think,

1195
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: no last, what I'm saying, I mean to cut you off, stir.

1196
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: But I definitely agree with that, And personally, I think

1197
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: that any quarterback deck to Jimes draft um may wind

1198
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: up sitting behind Eli Um. But you know, my other

1199
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: concern there um, besides Dwayne haskins Um, is when do

1200
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: we get a quarterback? And how long are we going? Like,

1201
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: here's a quick question for you last how long do

1202
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: we have Elis this is last year? I think it's

1203
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: possible he could get two more years. I don't think

1204
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, I know that he's under contract

1205
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: for one but who knows? I mean, is it is

1206
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: it possible that after this season perhaps they give him

1207
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: a new deal, like a one year deal, a team option,

1208
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: player option. I don't think that's crazy. I think a

1209
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: lot depends on how we performs this year, how he

1210
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: holds up from a durability standpoint. You know, without knowing

1211
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: those factors, it's difficult to give you a well informed answer.

1212
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's crazy. I don't think it's

1213
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: crazy Drew to say it's possible two more years of Eli,

1214
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's crazy, Right, That's what I was asking. Okay, so,

1215
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: but the contract is just for one year for now, right,

1216
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: he's got one year remaining, correct? Yes? Right? So okay,

1217
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: so we would presumably be in the market for a quarterback,

1218
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: So then that would be this year, and then next

1219
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: year let's say we let Eli walk, then we're pretty

1220
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: much yeap on a have to But you know what, Drew, Drew,

1221
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: I get your timeline, but I would say this. I

1222
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: don't know if a team ever is put with its

1223
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: back against the wall that they need a quarterback. The

1224
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: reason I'll bring that up is, let's go to the Chiefs. Okay. Now,

1225
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt about Alex Smith, but

1226
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: the way the Chiefs were playing, the last thing that

1227
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: I was thinking was that Kansas City was aggressively gonna

1228
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: move up to ten to go after Patrick Mams. I

1229
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: would have said, right, based on based on performance, you

1230
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: can say Kansas City could use a little bit more

1231
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: depth on the defensive line if there was great value.

1232
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 1: So the reason I'm bringing that up, Drew and I

1233
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: get it. Eli Banning different than Alex Smith age. I

1234
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: get that, but you never know when you want to

1235
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: make the move to develop a quarterback. New England has

1236
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: taken quarterbacks when Brady has been in his prime and

1237
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: then have traded them. So I don't see the Giants

1238
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: as the level of urgency is ten times greater for

1239
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: them than any other team. When we've seen teams that

1240
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: have a great starting quarterback and they say, you know what,

1241
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: let's develop a young guy. Cool I got My last

1242
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: question is and I'm gonna hang off, but but again,

1243
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: my last question goes back to Dwayne Haskin. Do you

1244
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: think he's so good fit for this team? And I'll

1245
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: take that apps off and appreciate the phone call and

1246
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: a great conversation and some great questioning. I think it's

1247
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: always good to have some good back and forth dialogue

1248
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: on that front, especially when it comes to the quarterback position. Yeah,

1249
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: the biggest concern for me with Dwayne Haskins is the

1250
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: sample size. You know, it's hard to get overly excited

1251
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: over a guy after just one great season, and it

1252
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: was a hell of a season. And it's not as

1253
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: if he was in the middle of the pack unknown conference.

1254
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: The Big Ten's got caliber, high caliber defensive players. He

1255
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit as far as being a

1256
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: good fit. I'm not concerned about a fit with Haskins,

1257
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: you know. I think Pat Shermer, Mike Schuler, they've worked

1258
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: with enough quarterbacks that if they feel he's got the tools,

1259
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: he would be fine in this system. That doesn't concern me.

1260
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: It's more about have you seen enough with one year

1261
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: that you believe that is what he's gonna do moving forward?

1262
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: Or was that a flash? For example, I was high

1263
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield last year. But the reason why I

1264
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield Paul was because I saw multiple years

1265
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: of Baker may Yes, you can say the same thing

1266
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: with Sam Donald if you were high on Donald. So

1267
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: that made me a little bit more confident. Patrick Mahomes

1268
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: same thing. A nice size amount of games where you've

1269
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: seen him go up against a variety of different defenses

1270
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: and you've seen him produce. That makes me feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: a little bit more so than somebody with one year.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you who think, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just harping out Haskins, I would say the same

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Speaker 1: concern with Kyler Murray to a certain degree just one year. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know you subscribe to the Parcels rules, and I

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Speaker 1: understand that you know the Parcels rules which said the

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Speaker 1: guy had to have thirty plus wins in college, he

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Speaker 1: had to be a starter for three years, how to

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Speaker 1: be a captain or a co captain, how to graduate.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of rules. The problem is most

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Speaker 1: guys are coming out so early now that it's hard

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Speaker 1: to apply all of those rules because there aren't that

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Speaker 1: many who now fit all of those qualifications. Simply put,

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Speaker 1: and everybody Look, I've been talking about this for months.

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Speaker 1: I would not take Haskins at six or at seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I would not. I'll make it real simple though, for

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Speaker 1: everybody who's been torching me on Twitter about this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: I might consider Haskins if he put up another year

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Speaker 1: like he did this year, if he had two years

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Speaker 1: of evidence everybody this kind of play, I'd feel a

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Speaker 1: lot better about maybe taking Haskins in the top five.

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Speaker 1: But guess what, that's not reality. All you got is

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Speaker 1: that one year right now, and that is certainly one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why I would not take him. And

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Speaker 1: I don't have anything else saying, well, and I'm on

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Speaker 1: the same page with you in terms of my rationale.

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Speaker 1: But also I want to bring in just two other

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Speaker 1: quick examples before we wrap up shop the two thousand

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Speaker 1: four quarterback class, Paul with what it produced, Eli, Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger. No coincidence. We're talking about multi year starters

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Speaker 1: in college, right, okay, And then when you look at

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Speaker 1: the Marino year, the l Way year, we're also talking

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Speaker 1: about guys with some substance on the resume. It's no

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Speaker 1: a wincidence that the years that have produced a good

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Speaker 1: quality group of quarterbacks. What's the common trade, Paul. It's

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Speaker 1: not just one year flash, so it's not heat towards

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Speaker 1: a specific specific player. It's the NFL track record. You

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Speaker 1: can't go against the NFL track record if it is

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Speaker 1: yielded very positive results. Before we wrap up, I know

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Speaker 1: we're a little bit late. Do you want to get

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Speaker 1: move along and get you said for the two thousand

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