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Speaker 1: Now let's get into what we came here for. NFL
Speaker 1: O Joe, they mad at you NFL fans, little Heart
Speaker 1: at Cam Forard's rating. He got a seventy two. Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter has the highest rating for a rookie. He has
Speaker 1: an eighty four. Ashton Genty has an eighty three. Abdul
Speaker 1: Carter is an eighty one, Mason Graham is an eighty.
Speaker 1: Will Campbell and Jalyn Walker are seventy nine. Kenneth Grant
Speaker 1: is seventy eight, Johati Baron is seventy eight. Michel Williams,
Speaker 1: Michael Williams, I think Michael is seventy eight. Maxwell Harriston
Speaker 1: is a seventy eight. Cam Ward did not even crack
Speaker 1: the top ten of Madden Rookie ratings. Someone calling it
Speaker 1: an absolute joke. O Joe, what you got to say
Speaker 1: for yourself?
Speaker 3: Listen, I got it. I got something to say all
Speaker 3: of those obviously that you got people that are complaining
Speaker 3: about obviously players on their team that have got drafted
Speaker 3: into the first round. Now we talk about Aston Genty,
Speaker 3: we talk about obviously if you, if you, if you
Speaker 3: watch no collegiate football, they were exceptional. We got a
Speaker 3: Heisman winner, and we got.
Speaker 2: Got a standards Russian record exactly.
Speaker 3: Let's understand what they did now, young bull, that's that's
Speaker 3: my dude. Cam Ward was phenomenal at you and in
Speaker 3: turning that program around. But listen, this is what we
Speaker 3: saw fit to put him as before the season starts.
Speaker 3: You have to remember some of these players haven't played
Speaker 3: a down on the NFL yet, and everybody wants their
Speaker 3: rated to be super high when they done nothing. Now
Speaker 3: rightfully sold Travis Hunter a special individual, asking genty a
Speaker 3: special individual. I'm not saying that cam Ward is not special.
Speaker 3: He is that being the quarterback number one for the
Speaker 3: Tennessee Titans. But listen, a seventy one in justifiable which
Speaker 3: most rookies come in at the quarterback position at and
Speaker 3: how you getting mad? This is nothing but room to
Speaker 3: improve what we do at at EA, what we do
Speaker 3: for Madden. There's a seventeen game season that's coming up
Speaker 3: right now, right John, Absolutely, week the week that rating
Speaker 3: continues to rise and raise based on cons It could
Speaker 3: drop that too, So listen. By by no means it
Speaker 3: is where you're going to be at, but it can
Speaker 3: approve week the week, so it shouldn't be a problem.
Speaker 3: Some of the players might be upset, cam Ward, I
Speaker 3: love you. You know how I feel about you?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 3: You hear me? Week the week? Week there, week as
Speaker 3: you've balled and you play consistent. You got Calvin really
Speaker 3: over there. I know what you're gonna do. You got
Speaker 3: time to locket. I know what you're gonna do week
Speaker 3: to week. They gonna continue the rise, And I got you.
Speaker 3: There's nothing to be ashamed of. Hey, hey, when I
Speaker 3: came out of I was I was a sixty seven.
Speaker 3: I ain't complain.
Speaker 2: That put a chip on my Hey.
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard though, for rookies to come
Speaker 1: into Madden with like a eighty six eighty eight raid?
Speaker 1: And I understand, you know, well, I'm saying, so there isn't.
Speaker 1: There isn't. There's never gonna be a rookie that can
Speaker 1: come in and they can dominate right away as far
Speaker 1: as Madden rain, I understand.
Speaker 2: Understand, understand, Joey, O, Joe, I.
Speaker 1: Understand that you know, during the season your rate can
Speaker 1: go up and down. I think you know you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: But why everybody has to start so low?
Speaker 1: It's probably what avid gamers are really thinking, like, man,
Speaker 1: why he got to be so low when obviously you
Speaker 1: know I understand what's going on. Well, oh, cho let
Speaker 1: me ask you to ask this. Let me ask your
Speaker 1: question as an avid gamer. Where you where did you
Speaker 1: start where you are now? Or did you have to
Speaker 1: work your way up? See you didn't come in casanatt
Speaker 1: did not come in with this big scream just big
Speaker 1: screaming platform and have all these subs.
Speaker 2: He had to work his way up.
Speaker 1: No matter how popular somebody is, if lebron I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I mean they want something that they
Speaker 1: have work for it. You look, I get Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: got a eighty four, but he probably upset that he
Speaker 1: didn't get ninety.
Speaker 2: He probably like, man, I should be.
Speaker 1: A ninety nine, saying I won the Heisman Trophy, I
Speaker 1: won the Blittan, the coff Blitt, the Cup of Ward,
Speaker 1: I won this award, I'm the defensive player of the year. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: So he thinks his rating is low at eighty four.
Speaker 1: Everybody everybody's like, man, I should be a ninety nine.
Speaker 2: I should be this, I should be that.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 1: I mean give it time. Well they used to didn't
Speaker 1: even have no rating. So I went from a zero
Speaker 1: to one hundred, so anything's possible.
Speaker 3: See, it's a good thing, Clavis Hunter. If people understand
Speaker 3: the accolades and the resume that comes behind. Why he's
Speaker 3: an eighty four. You'd understand it. You look at asking
Speaker 3: gent will your compass at the Coleegic level, there's the
Speaker 3: reason why he's rated where he is. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with Cambore, nothing at all. He's a great quarterback. I'm
Speaker 3: hoping he's quarterback number one for Tennessee. And he does
Speaker 3: the same goddamn thing see the Stride dead for Houston,
Speaker 3: and the same goddamn thing Jaydon Day dead for good
Speaker 3: damn Washington. But seventy one is good. You don't want
Speaker 3: to give these great ratings and then you have nothing
Speaker 3: to look forward to. You have nothing to look forward to.
Speaker 3: There's room for improvement. And if he plays how I
Speaker 3: feel and know he can play week to week, by
Speaker 3: the time you get the week fifteen, week sixteen, hell,
Speaker 3: he could be an eighty six eighty seven.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. You're not gonna make everybody happy with the radio, y'all.
Speaker 1: You understand that it's subjective, and anytime you dealing with
Speaker 1: something subjective, there's gonna always be a problem with the
Speaker 1: judges or in your case, a judge who helps adjust
Speaker 1: the Madden rating. And so that's what you're gonna have
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like anything anything that's subjective, because
Speaker 1: you know, if it's diving, if it's gymnastics, anything that's
Speaker 1: left up to judges unless I win, unless it's a
Speaker 1: perfect ten or in this case, they're perfect ninety nine,
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna have something to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time.
Speaker 1: I'm sure yes, somebody's gonna have something to say pass
Speaker 1: the tay. Like bro I won Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year and I ain't a ninety nine.
Speaker 2: It's I'm all pro.
Speaker 1: I'm a pro bowler, back to back Pro Bowl season
Speaker 1: and I ain't a ninety nine. I mean, damn what
Speaker 1: I got it? So what do I have to do
Speaker 1: to get a night? And he's probably thinking, and I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to him, but I'm saying, oh, Joe, he's
Speaker 1: probably thinking, oh, what I gotta win?
Speaker 2: M v p oh on.
Speaker 3: He done tweeted me. Now he didn't got me. I
Speaker 3: told him. I told him, twin, I got you, I
Speaker 3: got you, relaxed. I know what you did last year.
Speaker 3: We understand how special specially you are. Hell, we had
Speaker 3: a whole goddamn dissertation with the with the premier seven
Speaker 3: in the NFL about how difficult it is to get
Speaker 3: open on you. I'm gonna take care of you. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get you. But as it is all and this
Speaker 3: is this is a funny thing on Hey Joe, this
Speaker 3: was this was this was this what kind of hurts
Speaker 3: my nerve? All the people that are complaining about batis right.
Speaker 3: All these avid gamer all these mad enthusiasts like y'all
Speaker 3: complain about raids and not even a good at the game.
Speaker 3: They not not even They just complaining to be complaining
Speaker 3: because if you were really good, the rating wouldn't matter
Speaker 3: because it's all about your stick work, being able to manipulate,
Speaker 3: maneuvers on how to play like nobody. A small fun fact, Joe,
Speaker 3: and something you didn't know, not only by the mad
Speaker 3: raiding is juste right. You know, I'm the best Madden
Speaker 3: player in the world, that Madden player in the world,
Speaker 3: in the world, hey Joe, in the world, Joe. That's
Speaker 3: why when I hear people complaining about me doing the rains,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't even play because I don't care
Speaker 3: about nobody raising because my stick work is is elite.
Speaker 2: But I had to get the game of tag and
Speaker 2: check you out. Bro.
Speaker 3: You like that, Joe, don't do that to your death, Joe,
Speaker 3: don't you.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 3: I'm like that, Yeah, Joe, Hey, hey Joe, they call
Speaker 3: me thumbs. You get down like that. Yeah, they caught
Speaker 3: me thumb. Yeah, they call me thumb like that on
Speaker 3: that game and stuff. Man, that's all I do. Hey, Joe,
Speaker 3: I lost relations I lost, Hey, Joe, he I lost
Speaker 3: relationships behind game and Joe. That's how serious I take
Speaker 3: me too, me too.
Speaker 1: I think to say, look, Derrick Henry has a case
Speaker 1: to be here, Like, hold on, bro I let the
Speaker 1: league of rush touchdowns. I had the second most rush
Speaker 1: yards nineteen hundred and twenty with nineteen hundred twenty one.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I ain't a ninety nine. You're like,
Speaker 2: what more do I gotta do?
Speaker 3: So, look, they're everybody in ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what.
Speaker 1: I'm That's the point that I'm getting at is that
Speaker 1: everybody unless you are ninety nine. Really only the ones
Speaker 1: that have the ninety nine are happy with their grade.
Speaker 1: Everybody else, whether they got a ninety eight, ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety six, they're not happy with their grade. I just
Speaker 1: never understood me, honestly, Oh yo, I really never understood
Speaker 1: it because just because you're not a nine on the game.
Speaker 2: That don't mean you ninety nine on the field.
Speaker 1: Because you ninety six eighty four, well whatever, that don't
Speaker 1: mean you like that now right? You have to prove
Speaker 1: it to me every single week. You might start out
Speaker 1: as a nine and nine, but I don't need to
Speaker 1: see a ninety nine week one week, five week, ten week,
Speaker 1: twelve week, fifteen, sixteen. The guys that got the rating, kudos,
Speaker 1: uh Chase and Miles Garrett. And whether the quarterback they
Speaker 1: got nine or nine, I don't know. If they're the quarterback,
Speaker 1: they got it. Like I said, I think uh.
Speaker 2: Uh, I think Lamar Lamar, Lamar, Lamar lamar Jos Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Yeah, they deserved it. Okay, cool, but I
Speaker 1: promise you will y'all get it on the field. Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody thinking about nobody rating Ojo? Well you would again,
Speaker 1: you would against dB oh Man. I ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: able to get over that Jo ninety six oh Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what I would do, but let.
Speaker 3: Me taste something though. And Joe, Hey, the players really
Speaker 3: do care about their ratings though they do.
Speaker 2: I know they.
Speaker 3: Joe, I didn't got I didn't. Got a few text
Speaker 3: messages I see passing them like come on, so do
Speaker 3: me right? Due is yes? And I tell them one thing.
Speaker 3: If you got a problem with your your ratings, I
Speaker 3: can show you why you are what you are. I
Speaker 3: can break it down in PowerPoint presentation and let you know.
Speaker 3: See they used to the players used to think, oh,
Speaker 3: they got somebody that ain't never played the game and
Speaker 3: they don't know the rate. No, I know, I'm watching film.
Speaker 3: I'm breaking film down, and we're we're basing your rating
Speaker 3: based on your play, not just week to week, also
Speaker 3: against elite play against other players at composition that are
Speaker 3: really really good. Are you going to show up?
Speaker 2: Don't?
Speaker 3: Don't just play good when it's somebody that you know
Speaker 3: is a little beneath you that you happen to be
Speaker 3: going against week one and two? You know how you
Speaker 3: show up against the big boys that are in your
Speaker 3: upper echelon of skill and talent.
Speaker 1: A y'all know this, this this video game stuff, man,
Speaker 1: And then came a long way, you know, from when
Speaker 1: we was kids.
Speaker 2: So a lot of these cats.
Speaker 1: Get oh yeah yeah, getting a chance to be in Madden,
Speaker 1: getting a chance to be in NBA, two K, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: the ratings are a big deal. Dudes look forward to,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing what they got on the game. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, within themselves. So I kind of
Speaker 1: understand it to an extent, but like say, it's shit.
Speaker 1: You can't please everybody, man. Lamar Jackson in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: was a seventy nine. Trevor Lawrence in twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: was a seventy eight. Joe Burrow in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: was a seventy six. Patrick Mahomes in twenty seventeen was
Speaker 1: a seventy six. Caleb Williams in twenty twenty five was
Speaker 1: a seventy six. Josh Allen the year he came out
Speaker 1: all these are rookies, I might add, was seventy four.
Speaker 2: Cam Ward is a seventy two.
Speaker 1: So Joe Burrow was a seventy six coming off the
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy and statistically had the greatest season ever for
Speaker 1: a quarterback. He threw over five thousand yards and sixty
Speaker 1: touchdowns and had chased so and he got a seventy six.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and he
Speaker 1: got a seventy nine. Patrick Mahomes just had a game
Speaker 1: where he threw for over seven hundred yards. Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: a Heisman Trophy winning quarter back with a seventy six.
Speaker 1: So I mean, what y'all want, y'all y'all want, y'all
Speaker 1: want to put him? Y'all wanted man? And oh your
Speaker 1: the adjusters, all those adjusters to put him at what
Speaker 1: what would be a great What would be an ideal
Speaker 1: rating for a rookie cab ward? Eighty five? Eighty sixty
Speaker 1: ain't nothing, but that's what I'm asking. What would be
Speaker 1: an ideal rating to appease the masses?
Speaker 2: Listen? What do he need? What do you need? An eighty?
Speaker 1: Now we're here, seventy one right now, seventy two. I
Speaker 1: think people think I'm just speaking probably for the people.
Speaker 1: I think they specially gamers. Probably by the seventy eight,
Speaker 1: seventy seven.
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, he could be that by week five.
Speaker 2: I understanding.
Speaker 3: Listen, listen. Tennessee could be the dark horse team this year. Up.
Speaker 3: There's only the team that come out of nowhere and just,
Speaker 3: oh my goodness, they wore us. They do things we
Speaker 3: thought they couldn't do based on what they did last year.
Speaker 3: They might be him.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna understand why Lamar got a seventy nine
Speaker 1: because Lamar had legs and and arm, So I can
Speaker 1: see why the same reason he got in ninety nine,
Speaker 1: the same reason Josh Allen got in ninety nine, because
Speaker 1: not only can they beat you with their arm, they
Speaker 1: can beat you with their legs.
Speaker 2: So I get.
Speaker 1: Why Lamar coming out with a seventy nine and Josh.
Speaker 1: We knew he was athletic, but we didn't know Josh
Speaker 1: was like this athletic. We saw Kayler Williams with the
Speaker 1: hocus polkas and all that other the old things that
Speaker 1: he did, Heisman Trophy winning. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: somebody wasn't gonna be happy with their rating. Somebody wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be happy that they got a seventy. Somebody got
Speaker 1: an eighty five and they're not happy with that. Somebody
Speaker 1: got a ninety four and they're not happy with that.
Speaker 1: So you're not going to be able to please everyone.
Speaker 1: But I tell you what you can do. You can
Speaker 1: play and change that grade it. You know what the
Speaker 1: teacher used to tell you, Oh, I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: some extra curricular work and you can pull that b
Speaker 1: up to A A. Or you can take that A
Speaker 1: and go to an A plus, or you can take
Speaker 1: that C and take it to a B. That's all
Speaker 1: on you. Okay, you don't like the grade the seventy two,
Speaker 1: do something about it.
Speaker 3: It is. It is, it is. And speaking now to
Speaker 3: be on the topic a football. You know what what
Speaker 3: I love about I hate to go off topic. What
Speaker 3: I love about Twitter right now is the clips that
Speaker 3: I keep seeing from camp with the one on ones,
Speaker 3: the receivers. I'm happy. I'm joy breaking down with each
Speaker 3: receiver did wrong or what the dB did wrong but
Speaker 3: the dB did right, and with the receiver did wrong,
Speaker 3: and just breaking it down and watching it. Man that
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I feel like a little kid in
Speaker 3: the candy store just watching some of the videos from
Speaker 3: from like Brown's camp. I saw some one on ones
Speaker 3: with with the Panthers that ke Ke Coleman, ke On Coleman. Well,
Speaker 3: Kean Coleman sent me.
Speaker 2: His one on one video so far from Buffalo. Yes,
Speaker 2: he sent me.
Speaker 3: He sent them to my phone. I'm looking like, boy,
Speaker 3: you've been putting some work, but it's all seated. So
Speaker 3: and that's what I'm saying in my head. I ain't
Speaker 3: even get a chance to hit him back. But he
Speaker 3: sent me some stuff, you know, the go over and
Speaker 3: just you know, to talk a little bit critique it.
Speaker 3: Cochy man. Listen, man ke, I know you're probably gonna
Speaker 3: see this boy. I gear that for right now, you know,
Speaker 3: but I need to see it on Sundays. I need
Speaker 3: to see it on Sunday. But but you look good boy.
Speaker 2: Because the thing is o jo. You know.
Speaker 1: The difference between one on one and practice and one
Speaker 1: on one in the game is that somebody might you
Speaker 1: might think one on one and they playing zone. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, one on one in practice, it's all one.
Speaker 1: It's all man to man. Ain't a zone, right, so
Speaker 1: you run it in hand.
Speaker 2: You patient? Everybody got patience in practice. O yo.
Speaker 1: Oh you're taking your time. You setting no boy up.
Speaker 1: But you know come game time, hey, ain't nobody rushing
Speaker 1: that see, ain't nobody in the quarterback and you got.
Speaker 2: To go to go all that.
Speaker 1: Quarterback. This is what happened to your quarterback. Why you
Speaker 1: did it? Your quarterback slop? Your quarterback slopped over the
Speaker 1: wheel because he got hit the back of his head.
Speaker 3: Man, it was it was I don't mean I'm so excited,
Speaker 3: make me so excited. Though there was a there was
Speaker 3: a rep on on on Twitter with Denzel Ward. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: my god, this motherfucker so polished. Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, come on, you're gonna get day. We ain't
Speaker 2: gonna make no money tonight.
Speaker 3: Bro Listen, listen, listen. It was Cedric Tillman and Denzel
Speaker 3: Ward bump and run and and it was. It was
Speaker 3: when it's done right, the game of football is so beautiful. Yes,
Speaker 3: from a from a position standpoint, I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna break it down right now, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was man that with Dinzel Wards. It's nice about
Speaker 3: the technician.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, see the thing is he's he's a small frame,
Speaker 1: so he has to be nice because he doesn't he
Speaker 1: doesn't have you.
Speaker 2: Know, overwhelming sides right right, so you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, Oh Joe, So he his technique has to be flawless,
Speaker 1: and it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you though, he's here here, you know he
Speaker 1: he's great that he's loose in his hips, so he's
Speaker 1: great to eat, to turn, to run. He's very fluid.
Speaker 1: He transitions very well. When you hear oh he transitioned. Hey,
Speaker 1: he back pedal, drop a start to run. Hey, dB,
Speaker 1: comeback in the comeback. Oh, y'all on that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm one that too. I dropped my hips. I'm on
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 2: Hey. So I just want you to know I'm right here, Hey,
Speaker 2: Uncle o Joe. And at this time and the year,
Speaker 2: at this at this time of the.
Speaker 1: Year doing camp. Tell me something, y'all, y'all enjoy coming
Speaker 1: into camp already like in peak shape or you kind
Speaker 1: of use camp to kind of you know, get it.
Speaker 2: In peak shape. You get in shape player.
Speaker 3: Football no matter how much he does out.
Speaker 1: I see guys out there who don't look like they're
Speaker 1: in great shape, man, And I see some guys who
Speaker 1: look like that in elite shape. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, but where's your mindset coming into camp? No,
Speaker 1: the thing was, look I taped off like the last
Speaker 1: two weeks, I was still I was probably like not
Speaker 1: at that point in time, I was probably ninety percent.
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. This is how you know you're
Speaker 1: not in shape. When they were putting that two minute
Speaker 1: drill on your ass and every a you run a go,
Speaker 1: you run a post and you wanna come back. Yes,
Speaker 1: And the first thing you do this after three plays,
Speaker 1: that lets you know right now you ain't where you
Speaker 1: need to be. Comes to and and come and now
Speaker 1: that's what happens to guys now, o Joe, because at
Speaker 1: least and and uh and preseason, we're gonna get everything
Speaker 1: that we need to do in the regular season, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to some of that. Yeah, they're gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know what, because Mike might say, you know what,
Speaker 1: We're gonna open up the game with two minutes.
Speaker 2: We're gonna open up the game with no.
Speaker 1: Huddle because I want to make sure we get some
Speaker 1: of that with our number ones. So before anybody gets Dean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure we get that. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: some short yardage in goal line. We're gonna make sure
Speaker 1: we get some a twelve personnel, We're gonna get some
Speaker 1: eleven personnel. You know, we're gonna get some empty set.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get all of that, Joe. But yes, it
Speaker 1: gives you a great foundation because we've been sprinting on
Speaker 1: the track, and we've been running.
Speaker 2: Hundreds and two hundreds and one, fifties and threes.
Speaker 1: We've been doing all that, But we ain't been doing
Speaker 1: none of that with no helmet and no joke past.
Speaker 2: That's what we ever been doing exactly.
Speaker 1: And so now once guys start leaning on you and
Speaker 1: we all do always do that stuff on the third day,
Speaker 1: when that soreness, when that old man city, yeah.
Speaker 2: Already that old man said it on your joke man.
Speaker 1: Listen, Hey, look, I enjoyed camp like it was always fun.
Speaker 1: But the best times is when you come into camp
Speaker 1: and you already kind of in great, great shape because
Speaker 1: they gonna run the dogs.
Speaker 2: Jock out in the NBA. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're gonna do a lot of seventeen you know them, Uh,
Speaker 1: I forgot what was naming them down the backs and
Speaker 1: you gotta make it a certain amount of time, y'all.
Speaker 3: Y'all do suicide NBA.
Speaker 1: What man, Listen, I don't know what they're doing right now,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, when I came into the league, ohoe
Speaker 1: and oh one man, we work, bro, like I'm talking
Speaker 1: about line drill seventeens just the end practice. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you had to be in shape, bro. You had we
Speaker 1: had we had conditioning tests that we had to do.
Speaker 3: Hey, they was on that coach Cartervoutine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't see that. But oh Joe,
Speaker 1: that's what we did too. See, we we did two
Speaker 1: minutes at the end of practice. We never did two
Speaker 1: minutes at the beginning of practice. He said, because guess
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be at the end of game, in
Speaker 1: which you're gonna need a two minute So why doing
Speaker 1: it when you freshest, when you're gonna be at your
Speaker 1: tired laking the ball game. So that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Hey man, we beat up Red and did all that stuff,
Speaker 1: all right, two minutes two minutes, man, I just got
Speaker 1: off the field. They get you cut off hot, yeah,
Speaker 1: they get you where you had it worse when you
Speaker 1: tied dead dog tied. You re to get up out
Speaker 1: of there, get get down on there. We got seventeen
Speaker 1: everybody gotta make it. What yeah, yeah, And that's what
Speaker 1: that's And so yes, you want a good foundation and
Speaker 1: and and you're right, Joe, if you got that good foundation,
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier. But man, ain't nothing like football
Speaker 1: football shape. But playing football, you got to do it
Speaker 1: you because you ain't blocking guys, I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: drive to try to get the guy. Hey, O joga.
Speaker 1: You gotta run, guys. You gotta run guys out because
Speaker 1: you don't want to block up and run the risks.
Speaker 1: You got to run twenty thirty yards down the field
Speaker 1: and come back and guess what do it again? If
Speaker 1: it's another run, play or it might be a play.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, Hey, you ready for this deep ball?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Now you Hey, you just ran to god thirty yards.
Speaker 1: Now you got to come back and run a go ball.
Speaker 3: And you better and you better hope it's complete because
Speaker 3: now you got to run back again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It get a look different when the guys get on you,
Speaker 1: I know, because it's just like in basketball. You ain't
Speaker 1: in You can go go to the track, get on
Speaker 1: the treadmill, do all the running you want to. But
Speaker 1: once you get out there, somebody go to touching on
Speaker 1: you and pushing you. It's it's a lot different, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: Brown's on the Jimmy Haslm felt the need of unprompted
Speaker 1: to tell the media yesterday that your door Sanders was
Speaker 1: not his pick. Let's take a listen to what the
Speaker 1: owner had to say about selecting your door.
Speaker 2: Good process.
Speaker 3: Okay, and if you just told me you see you
Speaker 3: picked him on Saturday, right Friday night, driving home pic
Speaker 3: your door, I would say that that's not happening.
Speaker 1: But we had a conversation earlier that morning, in your
Speaker 1: conversation later that.
Speaker 2: Day up here at the right people involved in.
Speaker 1: The conversation, or if at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: that's in Barry's call, if you made the call to
Speaker 1: picture door, just like he's gonna start or what play
Speaker 1: we're gonna call.
Speaker 2: It is Kevin's call. But that's that's Andrew's call and
Speaker 2: made them talk. Who asked him that?
Speaker 1: Why did he Why did he feel the need to
Speaker 1: share that information on Joe?
Speaker 2: Nobody? That's what unprompted?
Speaker 1: So you drift, Mitch, ain't Nobody asked you what round
Speaker 1: did you think was gonna take your dow in?
Speaker 2: Why did you take? Nobody asked you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if so he felt the need, and I get it,
Speaker 1: Yes he's the owner, but it's like, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: if y'all felt if you feel this well by your door,
Speaker 1: why y'all still got Themand it seemed like every time
Speaker 1: I turn around, oh Joe, somebody trying to take a
Speaker 1: dig at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I got I got a question. I have
Speaker 3: a question for the chat and Uncle Joe. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure if y'all know how long did Jimmy hasn't been
Speaker 3: with the Cleveland Browns A long ass time, A long time.
Speaker 3: So since two thousand, the Cleveland Browns have thirty five
Speaker 3: different starting quarterbacks. In two thousand, thirty five different starting quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: But now you're going to take it for yourself to
Speaker 3: say that jadere saying is one your pick and that's
Speaker 3: probably why it's gonna work, because you had no dealings
Speaker 3: in him being drafted. I'm watch all God work, watchy'all
Speaker 3: God work.
Speaker 2: What about all the other picks you had who picked
Speaker 2: with they?
Speaker 1: He is?
Speaker 3: But he hey, listen, he never He never came out
Speaker 3: before and said never.
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, when I when I look at it, when
Speaker 1: I look at it, I just like how a young
Speaker 1: man going about itself?
Speaker 2: Man should do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, there's no there's no better way to go about
Speaker 1: this than keep your head down and keep working.
Speaker 2: Bro. He's uh. I think he's been doing a phenomenal
Speaker 2: job at that. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I think everybody's been keeping up with what's been going
Speaker 1: on in Cleveland. I know I have UH and he
Speaker 1: looked like he looked like he looks comfortable out there
Speaker 1: first and foremost, and he looks like he's still enjoying
Speaker 1: the game, man. And I think this is just more
Speaker 1: you know, fuel to the fire as opposed to it's
Speaker 1: gonna help him out throughout the regular season, throughout his
Speaker 1: season or throughout his NFL career in general. So I
Speaker 1: understand what what what the owner said, but uh, I
Speaker 1: think she do it doing an awesome job. With all
Speaker 1: this that's going around. You can see he's in the community,
Speaker 1: not only in the community, but he looked like he's
Speaker 1: playing his butt off.
Speaker 2: Now. I don't know how much. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much any of this.
Speaker 1: Way with you know, what he's been doing in you know,
Speaker 1: in the OTAs and off season and camp and all that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't lie, bro. I know, you know,
Speaker 1: they ain't out there hitting or nothing like that. But
Speaker 1: he looks comfortable out that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: It's really hard for me to say because from everything
Speaker 1: that I read, he gets one or two reps with
Speaker 1: the first team and one or two reps period and
Speaker 1: that's it. It's reported that his dad wanted to come
Speaker 1: to camp just like he went to a Tampa. He said, no,
Speaker 1: Daddy said Dad, he said, I might get three or
Speaker 1: four reps. He says, I'm not where I want to be.
Speaker 1: But what if reported is being reported is true? But
Speaker 1: once I get to where I want to be, coming
Speaker 1: up being right. But I don't get this who it
Speaker 1: was that was? That was an Andrew Barry's pick. And
Speaker 1: just like the guys that play that's such and such.
Speaker 1: So all these quarterbacks that y'all had, and I mean
Speaker 1: you have Baker, So who's picked with Baker and Baker. Look,
Speaker 1: Baker had had a decent and he got injured and
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know Baker's telling the story, they
Speaker 1: wanted him to, you know, turn tone it down a
Speaker 1: little bit and wouldn't let him be himself. And you see,
Speaker 1: Baker is like himself in Tampa and he's thriving. Now,
Speaker 1: does he have a better collection of wide receivers around
Speaker 1: him and Tampa that he had in Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Yes he does, he does.
Speaker 1: Ain't no sense in us trying to fool Foolan said
Speaker 1: he has the same level of skill position players around
Speaker 1: him because he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't.
Speaker 1: But I don't get why Jimmy Haslam felt the need
Speaker 1: to take this shot.
Speaker 2: That should do her.
Speaker 1: Oh uh, you know, if you'd have told me we
Speaker 1: were gonna take him, I was like, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: happen or whatever.
Speaker 2: He said? Why? I mean, why, why? Why did he
Speaker 2: feel the need to say that? O Joe?
Speaker 3: You know what they're trying to do. You know what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do, trying to break him. They use
Speaker 3: the draft trying to break him. We're gonna make him. Wait, okay,
Speaker 3: now he's here, he's doing everything he's supposed to do,
Speaker 3: doing everything he's supposed to do plus the extra. Then okay,
Speaker 3: how can we break him down? He's out here playing
Speaker 3: very well to you, I told you what hey, listen,
Speaker 3: mayear is over that now, and is is over there.
Speaker 3: I don't need to be there to see and hear
Speaker 3: they with me? Now? So what do we do now?
Speaker 3: He's playing well, he's got the offense down, he's not
Speaker 3: making too many mistakes. He's throwing touchdowns where he's running
Speaker 3: with the one to two three of the falls.
Speaker 2: So what we do now?
Speaker 3: The one has to come and try to break him again,
Speaker 3: break his spirit a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, Barry Pitt.
Speaker 1: But listen, but why though, is it because of what
Speaker 1: they may seem to be is flamboyant in college, because
Speaker 1: he would a jewey, he would the ice Y's just
Speaker 1: part of who he is. Man, It's just part of
Speaker 1: his swag. That's how he grew up.
Speaker 3: Hey, really, Joe, honestly, that's all the collegiate athletes coming
Speaker 3: out of college this year. Everybody look at all of them.
Speaker 1: They got a little bread, and so it seemed like
Speaker 1: to me a week attempt. The guy's already.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 1: I know what people you say, Hey, you can you
Speaker 1: maintain confidence, but when you're not getting any run, and
Speaker 1: you used to like, I'm a prime example of that.
Speaker 1: I used to call my brother. I said, man, I
Speaker 1: ain't get no run today. All he said, just be ready,
Speaker 1: he said, John Elwire, gonna call your number, but make
Speaker 1: sure when he called your number. I like, man, you
Speaker 1: keep saying that. You said that yesterday all my number,
Speaker 1: he said. I said, you keep I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 1: you keep saying that, but it ain't happening. And sure enough.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I ain't got nothing but time.
Speaker 1: The way I looked at it, Joe and O Joe,
Speaker 1: is that as long as I'm here, I still got
Speaker 1: a chance. It's like, when I'm no longer there, I
Speaker 1: don't have a chance to make the team. So as
Speaker 1: long as I can state, the longer I stay, because
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna put me
Speaker 1: somewhere and I'm gonna flash something I'm gonna make. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a block, you gonna put me on special teams.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something that you say, you know what?
Speaker 1: That came from Savannah State. He too big, too strong,
Speaker 1: too fast, not for us to final play by hey,
Speaker 1: create a create a job for me.
Speaker 2: We ain't high.
Speaker 3: And the funny, the funny thing about it is all
Speaker 3: the turmoil, all the all the negativity, but it's coming
Speaker 3: from the Cleveland media, whether it's coming from the owner
Speaker 3: gym has him and saying he wasn't my pick. When
Speaker 3: that preseason starts and he gets his opportunity, the cream
Speaker 3: is gonna rass at the top no matter what, because
Speaker 3: good at doing one thing, he's good at playing football. Yes,
Speaker 3: he's good at playing football. He's been a winner from
Speaker 3: Jackson State, the goddamn Colorado And now you're in a
Speaker 3: different environment and that journey starts all over again. Even
Speaker 3: with the enemy right in your backyard against you.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's that's really hard to overcome, OYO, When when
Speaker 1: it seems like the people rooting against you, that's right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought I thought, I thought we was
Speaker 1: all in this thing together. It don't seem like it.
Speaker 3: I tell you, I tell you who on the side, though.
Speaker 3: I tell you who on the side when that goddamn
Speaker 3: when that goddamn stadium started rooting, start screaming for Shador,
Speaker 3: when that goddamn dog pound start going crazy and the
Speaker 3: chance starts start shouting for Shador, when things ain't going
Speaker 3: right with the Browns, all right, I guarantee you know what,
Speaker 3: watch watch how to Play Out.
Speaker 1: I just hope, I just hope he's still he's around,
Speaker 1: loading up for those said things to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that that that's because think about o, Yo, you
Speaker 1: signed Joe Flacco eighteen years well, you know he's not
Speaker 1: He's year eighteen. He's not your answer long term. You
Speaker 1: re signed Kenny Pickett hoping that he got a little
Speaker 1: hamstring tweak. So now basically is Dylan Gabriel uh uh
Speaker 1: and should do her. But it seemed like Flacco and
Speaker 1: get Gabriel and and and Flacco getting all the reps.
Speaker 2: That's what it appears to me from what I read now.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not you know, following it that close
Speaker 1: because that you know, put all that time in there,
Speaker 1: and and guys that you're watching, they're not gonna be there.
Speaker 1: So as they get to the preseason on show, you
Speaker 1: get the game or two and so we'll get a
Speaker 1: better understanding, a better feel like okay, this kid, you know,
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to see them guys play, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, he can play.
Speaker 1: Because I want to see guys play against somebody playing
Speaker 1: somebody else just trying to make a team.
Speaker 2: Also, you don't know you y'all, don't walk.
Speaker 1: Off the field talking hey man, hey, you know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do tonight?
Speaker 2: Or well you know what you what you know such
Speaker 2: and such.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to see you go against another guy
Speaker 1: in another colored uniform that's in the same situation that
Speaker 1: you are. He's trying to make he's trying to live
Speaker 1: out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream.
Speaker 1: He's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma
Speaker 1: and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or
Speaker 1: significant other. He's trying to make sure they're taken care of,
Speaker 1: just like you. But this, I'm shocked by what Jimmy
Speaker 1: Haslom had to say because nobody asked him. Nope, this
Speaker 1: was something that you probably should have asked. Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: after the draft, you asked, you asked this, Okay, So
Speaker 1: what was your thought process taking your door in the
Speaker 1: fifth round? You know, they said the grade they had
Speaker 1: on him, the grade they had, and the grade they had.
Speaker 1: So that's when you're like, well, hey, we felt that,
Speaker 1: you know, we had this grade on him, and we
Speaker 1: felt that, you know, he might be there, so we said,
Speaker 1: now round between rounds four and five, if he's there,
Speaker 1: we're gonna grab it. Okay, But that's a couple that's
Speaker 1: a day after the drift. That's two days at worked
Speaker 1: at best work case, that's a week after the draft.
Speaker 2: O Joe, the drift was in April.
Speaker 3: Makes no sense.
Speaker 1: After the drift was in April, and here we are
Speaker 1: that like May June July. That's three that's three months.
Speaker 1: If we talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick and listen.
Speaker 3: I can understand if your decision making in the past,
Speaker 3: as if you the goddamn quarterback whisper yes, coming out
Speaker 3: and saying something like that and being confident about it,
Speaker 3: like you just yeah, been making golden when it came
Speaker 3: to picking quarterbacks the last thirty five with your picks
Speaker 3: in nothing. So probably this one that you had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with, that might be the answer.
Speaker 1: If you Green Bay, y'all got bred farg and then
Speaker 1: you get Aaron Rodgers and now you got George Love,
Speaker 1: I would say, well, you know what, hey, oh Joe, Joe.
Speaker 1: He might be on the s right right half. They
Speaker 1: about to half fifty years of prosperity at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: But when you've had thirty five years of turmoil and
Speaker 1: chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe
Speaker 1: a year or two here or there, you got one
Speaker 1: year Derek Anderson, you got a couple of years with Baker,
Speaker 1: but other than that, let's be realistic. Now, come on, Browns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she does strikes me as a guy. You know,
Speaker 1: when them lights come on, yo, I feel like he
Speaker 1: gonna perform at the highest level, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he gonna put on you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's that's the type of guy. He strikes me as so, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be paying attention to them.
Speaker 2: Brown.
Speaker 1: See what's gonna happen? Now, they got four quarterbacks over there, right?
Speaker 1: What they what they gonna doka?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 1: I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks, man, you know,
Speaker 1: part a part of me, a part of me. Hope
Speaker 1: they like try to put him on the practice squad
Speaker 1: and somebody comes side there.
Speaker 2: So they so you can carry you know, they'll carry
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks and put.
Speaker 1: One on the that's too many positions because the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: don't play special team. So you got it though, because
Speaker 1: there's only there's only forty six guys, those spots are valuable.
Speaker 1: Normally you're carrying a guy, a wide receiver that could
Speaker 1: you know, he can play multiple positions. He can play
Speaker 1: the eggs, he can play the Z, he can play
Speaker 1: the slot, and he plays special team. Same thing with
Speaker 1: a linebacker, same thing with the swing offensive line. But
Speaker 1: he can play guard, he can play tackle. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's what to look at it. I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: guy that can play multiple positions because if I get
Speaker 1: somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? Side quarterback?
Speaker 1: Maybe your hope maybe maybe in high school. Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: he punted or kicked to something. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: you keep If you're gonna keep somebody extra, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver, a dB, somebody that can play
Speaker 1: special teams.
Speaker 2: That's why they say he Special teams is the quickest.
Speaker 1: Way to earn a place on the rocks unless you
Speaker 1: wanted the top Now you top dog. Got mean, we
Speaker 1: get that, you Joe Burrow or Chase or somebody like that.
Speaker 2: Lamards, we get that.
Speaker 1: But guys that are not that are not extra, like
Speaker 1: say starter that when hey Rue's up, he runs on
Speaker 1: the field, and when if far and down, he comes
Speaker 1: off the field, and he ain't got to stay out
Speaker 1: there for punting. Special team. The more you can do,
Speaker 1: the longer you can play. The more you can do,
Speaker 1: the longer you can play. And but I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like this at all because, like I said,
Speaker 1: here we are three months in Ojoe and this man
Speaker 1: talking about that's an Andrew Barry Pick.
Speaker 3: It's trying to break him up. It's all mind games.
Speaker 2: They are they are, they are, they did what they did.
Speaker 1: They like, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna show you,
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna show coach Prime. You know, they
Speaker 1: talking about you know, the man Ings and everybody looked
Speaker 1: at the man, even Eli did what he did, and
Speaker 1: you know Arch and you know, so forth and so on.
Speaker 1: They're like, Nah, you're not gonna do that. We're gonna
Speaker 1: show you that. We're gonna start it right here, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna take a little further. We only gonna
Speaker 1: get your handful of reps.
Speaker 2: And we're gonna see how how how long?
Speaker 1: Hey, if I'm trying to break it, they say they
Speaker 1: put you in solitary, solitary o Joe, because they say,
Speaker 1: you know, we used to communicate it, and when there's
Speaker 1: no one to communicate to you, and all you can
Speaker 1: do is hear your heart beat and the only the
Speaker 1: only communication is going on in your own head.
Speaker 3: And you know what, that could be a good thing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they put people in solitary confinement, right, and it
Speaker 3: does it more, It does it more good than harm
Speaker 3: because it gives you to much time to think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be a solitary away from you.
Speaker 1: Sorry you can Yeah, I wanted to be a solitaire
Speaker 1: oh your cause I want to be away from you. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Mobo so y'all back rub off on me. I think
Speaker 1: I think, look, look, I think he definitely locked in.
Speaker 2: Though you can see it, Bro, you can see it, well,
Speaker 2: he doesn't really, he really doesn't have a choice.
Speaker 1: I think I think Time has done a great job
Speaker 1: Time dealing with what he's dealing with. Cause think about
Speaker 1: it now, it's still Time, son. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with.
Speaker 1: I've got something gravely going on with me and I
Speaker 1: got two sons that because the only coach that should
Speaker 1: do has ever had has been Time. Yep, he's the
Speaker 1: only only play for his dad played for his daddy.
Speaker 1: Jay played for his dad in high school and coming up,
Speaker 1: he coached him in Pop Warner. Time used to take
Speaker 1: them kids all over the place. They play Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1: They played, end up playing Snoop Dogg. When because the
Speaker 1: Time and I went to the hall together. Uh, they
Speaker 1: playing all up in Texas. They coming, they coming, and
Speaker 1: they're driving playing other teams. I think they played while
Speaker 1: they was up there in Canton. So that's the only
Speaker 1: coach you've ever had. And now my dad's think about it, man,
Speaker 1: my dad dealing with something I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: what's really going on, because Tom said, you know, I
Speaker 1: really didn't let the boys know what was really going
Speaker 1: on because they gotta focus on that. The last thing
Speaker 1: is to let your mind wander, O Joe. You know
Speaker 1: when you in camp, hey, I'm here. That's what I
Speaker 1: tell when you hear you gotta be here now. Now,
Speaker 1: when you over there, deal with whatever you gotta deal
Speaker 1: with over there, and don't.
Speaker 2: Worry about here. But when you hear you gotta be here.
Speaker 1: And so I think Time did a great job of
Speaker 1: shielding him, not telling them the extent of what's really
Speaker 1: going on with him so he can stay locked in.
Speaker 1: Especially we know how hard the quarterback position is to play,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, the last thing you need is to be
Speaker 1: worried about man, Pops, Man, samn, Pops. Really, Pop's really
Speaker 1: messed up right now? Man, I ain't getting no burn.
Speaker 1: Pops messed up on a trip and saying all kind
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: Man, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's like I said, you don't know what a person's
Speaker 1: going through. You don't know, Uh, you know, you try
Speaker 1: not to, you try to compartmentalize when I'm here, Joe, Ojoe,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and like when i'm when I'm done, I'll
Speaker 1: deal with whatever I need to deal with off the field.
Speaker 2: I'll deal with that. Then.
Speaker 1: Man, you just say, man, I can, I can. I
Speaker 1: can brain work home, but I can't take you to work.
Speaker 1: And that's how it is. You can't be cause they
Speaker 1: tell you, oh yeah, there's there's more important things than sports.
Speaker 1: They line they say that for for the public, for
Speaker 1: for public. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no no. When
Speaker 1: you play a professional sport, o jo, they're making a
Speaker 1: buddy leclear. Oh yeah, that's the most important thing is
Speaker 1: that sport. Yeah, So Chel, keep your head up, keep
Speaker 1: plugging away. Boy, do your thing. You built for this,
Speaker 1: You are built for this. Daryl Murray also felt the
Speaker 1: need to talk about the Lakers twenty twenty title today.
Speaker 1: Murray said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely
Speaker 1: would have celebrated as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience.
Speaker 2: Required.
Speaker 1: Yet everyone speaking around the league privately agrees that it
Speaker 1: doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the
Speaker 1: last legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA
Speaker 1: should be proud of its leadership at both the beginning
Speaker 1: and the end of the pandemic, even through the champion
Speaker 1: will forever be marked by an asterisk. Daryl morri you
Speaker 1: should be the last one to talk after what you
Speaker 1: almost blew up by saying what you said about China,
Speaker 1: and you got your busses, you got your butt.
Speaker 2: Out of there.
Speaker 1: Every see, everybody talks about, Well, it's an asterisk because
Speaker 1: you didn't win it. Now you just said, I absolutely
Speaker 1: would have celebrated as legitimate doing the admiss everyty resilience
Speaker 1: that it took to do it. But now because you
Speaker 1: didn't win it, So is there astery by the strike
Speaker 1: a short year? What year that was? Ninety nine?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The strike short? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. What about twenty twelve? Twenty twelve?
Speaker 1: Was the strike short? Didn't y'all didn't y'all? Wasn't y'all shorten?
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve?
Speaker 2: Joke? Yeah yeah, And uh, he don't ask you about
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put that astray by the bubble.
Speaker 1: But I honestly think because he didn't win, absolutely, But
Speaker 1: I honestly think I didn't think it was an advantage
Speaker 1: to anybody playing in the bubble, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't put no astray by, you know, because nobody.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Ten's probably harder, y'all. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was harder than neither. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like because you took away a lot of
Speaker 1: the elements of traveling, playing in altitude environments, things of
Speaker 1: that sort, like we are all right here, No, what
Speaker 1: about you couldn't go nowhere? Yeah, I mean I know that.
Speaker 1: I know that's hard. I knew that was hard. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I tell you what I would do. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I would do, Joe. I would put
Speaker 1: you in. I would put you in your house for
Speaker 1: one hundred days and all you could do is go
Speaker 1: to your backyard and come home.
Speaker 2: How much you can't do nothing? How much money I'm
Speaker 2: making whatever? The playoffs play? Okay, So he's saying, just
Speaker 2: to play. Yeah, that's because that's what they can.
Speaker 1: Don't get no extra Hey, look, hey, look, I wasn't
Speaker 1: locked obviously, you know I played in CBT.
Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't nowhere near.
Speaker 1: It's being locked in for ninety days or how many
Speaker 1: days those guys locked in. I played in the TVT
Speaker 1: and it was a quarantine environment. We was locked in
Speaker 1: a hotel for like seven it's about ten days. So
Speaker 1: I know, I know the challenges that these dudes had
Speaker 1: to go through, But I'm saying I don't think it
Speaker 1: should be an asterisk, like I think everybody was. No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Yeah, no, I think I think everything about
Speaker 1: with THET. Think about the pandemic itself.
Speaker 2: Joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people losing their mind. They couldn't go nowhere, o choke.
Speaker 1: You couldn't go to a you couldn't go sit inside
Speaker 1: a restaurant, or you couldn't go to a club, or
Speaker 1: you couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it was in some places, but
Speaker 1: I happened to be in Cali at the time. And
Speaker 1: when I say Callie shut it down, Callie shut it down.
Speaker 2: Now I know.
Speaker 1: Georgia shut it down for a week. Florida shut it down.
Speaker 1: Georgia wasn't shut down, but they were getting two of
Speaker 1: that out here. You and me, huh, I'll go yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: O Joe, listen.
Speaker 3: It was it was easy for them, especially during that time.
Speaker 3: It was easy for the people that don't actually that
Speaker 3: don't be outside. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't go anywhere anyway.
Speaker 3: So when the when the pandemic happened, listen, I chose
Speaker 3: that time to catch up on some stuff Netflix, movies
Speaker 3: that hadn't seen. You know, I would tweet what should
Speaker 3: I watch? Hell, I ain't see the Wire? You know
Speaker 3: I was? Was I playing during that time? No? I
Speaker 3: think I think I might have forgot where it was.
Speaker 3: I had never seen the wire. The people told me
Speaker 3: to watch the Wire. I watched Ozark, I caught up.
Speaker 2: On Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I caught up on all types of stuff on Netflix.
Speaker 3: That was good. I had a bunch of cigars with me,
Speaker 3: and you know, I had a little cor for machine. Heah,
Speaker 3: I ain't need to go nowhere. Everything I needed was
Speaker 3: right here. And then I got my game.
Speaker 1: Hey, but look though, and he's talking about yet everyone
Speaker 1: go ahead, oh Joe.
Speaker 2: Do y'all think that the.
Speaker 1: The COVID times, it really changes because think about this.
Speaker 1: You know, you had your homeboys or your friends talking
Speaker 1: about they want to come over. You don't know what
Speaker 1: they done being You're like, hold on now, you can't
Speaker 1: come over, bro, you know what I mean? And then
Speaker 1: since it's been over a lot of us are still
Speaker 1: kind of knuckled up. Hey, hey, hey, how you doing
Speaker 1: bro right? Hey?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, even still announced to this day like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Darryl Moore said, Yet everyone I speak to around
Speaker 1: the league probably agreed that it truly doesn't hold up
Speaker 1: as a genuine championship. So did you ask people around
Speaker 1: the league what they thought about what you said about China?
Speaker 1: Asking what they genuinely think about how you almost blew
Speaker 1: it up right right?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You know why? Let me tell you why did because
Speaker 1: Lebron James won it? Anybody any other superstar had won
Speaker 1: that championship, Joe Johnson, you and I both know it'd
Speaker 1: been legit. It was because Lebron James wanted it ain't legit.
Speaker 1: You think that's why a lot of people put that in. Yeah, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: Michael Kobe, Larry Magic, it, Deah, anybody else. And that's
Speaker 1: what I asked him. I said, Okay, y'all say, well,
Speaker 1: because you said that Lebron came to LA to be
Speaker 1: a sixth Saint Kevin Hart, he came to be a movie.
Speaker 1: He came to win an oscar as opposed to a
Speaker 1: Larry O'Brian trophy. Okay, he comes out here, he plays,
Speaker 1: he wins. Now, so what's what's the what's the debate?
Speaker 1: Had anybody else done that? I say, now, y'all say
Speaker 1: that's what he did? I say, now, oh, man, Jordan
Speaker 1: was past this prime Jordan. I say, let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. Had Jordan won the NBA title, would
Speaker 1: y'all say he won seven? Or would he ever just
Speaker 1: won six? Come on, now, y'all said, y'all game seven? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but because he didn't win, Oh, he wasn't even trying
Speaker 1: to win.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: I thought that everything Georgie Tech was serious. The reason
Speaker 1: why they did it like this is because Lebron won.
Speaker 1: Had anybody else won, they not calling the Bubble Tech Championship.
Speaker 1: They're not calling it saying an asterisk needs to be added.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Even Darryl Morre, even Darryl Morray is trying to man
Speaker 1: is the man. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee
Speaker 1: you take it. You need to worry about Philly. That's
Speaker 1: what you need to do. All that money. I tell you, what,
Speaker 1: pull another season like you had this year and see
Speaker 1: what happened to you.
Speaker 3: But he the owner though what they gonna do then.
Speaker 2: Gentle JOHNH. Harris is the owner.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you think they're fire.
Speaker 1: Have another boy? He you see that money he done
Speaker 1: gave out. Yeah, it's you miss the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Somebody gonna have to go. Joe.
Speaker 1: They still yeah, they still owe Joe L and B.
Speaker 1: Damn near three hundred million.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: They gave TDD Reeves maxim Max deal. They got Paul
Speaker 1: George on the Max deal.
Speaker 3: Maxy.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: If Paul, if Paul ni a ankle, whatever whatever it is,
Speaker 3: if he come back healthy, they're gonna be all right.
Speaker 2: He don't get healthy as you get older. I think
Speaker 2: he just had another procedure too. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, I wish I could give all them boys
Speaker 3: my and legs, man and arms and akilis and knees.
Speaker 3: I just damn, man, I hate seeing people get injured.
Speaker 2: Man, this some boy, But who asked you?
Speaker 1: Hold up? Who asked him this? Everybody just feel like
Speaker 1: they ever really talking to movie?
Speaker 2: Today? Is just Joe.
Speaker 1: Everybody was in a real talking to movie today, Oh Joe. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: ain't nobody bro, It's twenty twenty five. They just got
Speaker 1: the new package Amazon. Somebody Amazon just got spent seventy
Speaker 1: seven billion, seventy six billion. Amazon got a package, NBC
Speaker 1: got a package. He has He ain't got a package.
Speaker 1: They about to make money out to Yin Yang and
Speaker 1: you talking about twenty twenty five? Why yeah, I promise you.
Speaker 1: Nobody in the history of the game has received more
Speaker 1: criticism than Lebron James.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy for what.
Speaker 1: Because he's no matter what you thought about it, man,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be good. He's exceeded all expectations,
Speaker 1: no matter what you thought he.
Speaker 2: Might be, He's exceeded everything. Nobody.
Speaker 1: People say, ain't nobody gonna break Kareem's record, because first
Speaker 1: of all, you're not gonna play long enough and you're
Speaker 1: not gonna be consistent enough. He did that. Man, Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody gonna get no. Nineteen All Star Games? He got
Speaker 1: twenty one. Man Ain't nobody gonna be no. All the
Speaker 1: NBA all those times he got twenty one thirteen first teams.
Speaker 2: I just don't get it, man, Listen, he go uh ojo.
Speaker 1: Y'all know when you when you've been at the top
Speaker 1: for so long, they gotta start, they gotta start picking
Speaker 1: at you.
Speaker 2: Bro. They got they gotta start picking at it. It's
Speaker 2: just kind of a part of it.
Speaker 1: That's just kind of what it seems like, because, like
Speaker 1: like you said, I agree with you.
Speaker 2: He's exceeded expectations.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for him since the time he came
Speaker 1: into the NBA and what eighteen nineteen years old man
Speaker 1: expect they put on him, he exceeded at That's crazy. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of eighteen year old old
Speaker 1: get handed.
Speaker 2: The keys to a franchise. Oh man, eighteen.
Speaker 1: No college, no dominant male. I mean, I guess the
Speaker 1: dominant male figures would be his coach, coach Drew. They
Speaker 1: don't hand the keys to a franchise to an eighteen
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 2: That's what he did. That's what they gave him.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: That's what they gave him.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's almost like, well, my favorite player
Speaker 1: didn't play that long, he should just go.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if your favorite player could play at
Speaker 1: that level that he's playing at, he'd stayed.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Kobe body broke down on him.
Speaker 1: He had to shoulder towards labrum, and he had their
Speaker 1: keen Ley's injury, and he was just he had given
Speaker 1: it all he got. And you know what, Kobe was
Speaker 1: that Mercedes that had five hundred thousand miles on it.
Speaker 2: And it just pulled out of the road and it
Speaker 2: just stopped.
Speaker 1: You don't think Jordan, if Jordan could have still played
Speaker 1: at that elite level, you don't think he just continued
Speaker 1: to play of cards.
Speaker 2: We all would playing right now.
Speaker 1: Of course they're mad at the man that's taking care
Speaker 1: of his body for this long. Lord is blessed and
Speaker 1: beyond blessed, and he's able to play at an elite level.
Speaker 1: Even in year twenty two. The man average twenty four
Speaker 1: eight and eight in year twenty two, and everybody else
Speaker 1: the average. I don't even think anybody did anybody average
Speaker 1: twenty two the average double figures and year twenty twould
Speaker 1: what considering that only Vince Carter's played the twenty two
Speaker 1: twenty two seasons.
Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that man, and we just tried,
Speaker 1: and people just try to find things to nit picking,
Speaker 1: to pick him apart, and I just I just I
Speaker 1: just I'll I'll just never I'll just never understand why why,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna I mean, he's gonna be gone
Speaker 1: and then you know, eventually KD. Eventually Steph will have
Speaker 1: new guys in there. What that's when he'll be missed
Speaker 1: the most, though, I mean.
Speaker 3: Somebody else, somebody else will take his place on somebody
Speaker 3: else that they're going to love to hate somebody.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's never been anybody before or since him that's been
Speaker 1: like this. Nobody, nobody defy you to find it. Even
Speaker 1: if you look at the bad Boy Pistons. Nope, they
Speaker 1: didn't like they didn't dislike them like they disliked this man.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I think when it's when he when he hangs it up,
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna miss it because what he's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah,