1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Enius Williams. Hello, Welcome, 4 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: My name is Anius Williams. There, we are talking about 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: what's next, careers, interests, even hobbies that legends can adapt 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: their inherent skills toward and achieve greatness all over again. 7 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: We have perhaps our most diverse panel yet, guys who 8 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: have taken very different paths since they're planned days. First, 9 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: we have former defensive back Scott Turner, who has become 10 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: a state representative man in politics. We're gonna get into 11 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: that and in his in his home state of Texas, 12 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: where they say nothing is bigger than Texas. And then 13 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: we have former All Pro linebacker to to Kill Spikes, 14 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: whose career has taken him into broadcasting and now photography. Welcome, gentlemen, 15 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: and knowing both of you guys, just to started off 16 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: to have a little uh understanding, I've been knowing Scott 17 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: for quite some time. My wife, actually to Kill got 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: an NBA from the University of Illinois, so we were 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: at school when Mr Scott Turner was a student athlete 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: and got the knowing back then. And I don't even 21 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: want to kick with the politics. Scott. What led you 22 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: there and how did you use your instinct and skill 23 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: from the football field to help you in playing field 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: of politics? Come on with us, that's a good question. 25 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: It started my rookie year and I was in Washington 26 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: at the Red Skin. We would have to drive downtown 27 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: through downtown d C on the way to r K Stadium, 28 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: and I remember just being fascinated with the architecture of Washington, 29 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: d C in a different buildings, a Pentagon, white House, capital. 30 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: As I did that through the years, I started moving 31 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: from just like a the architecture to like in government 32 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: and government leadership and start thinking to myself, well, maybe 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: one day, you know, I'll be involved in serving in 34 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: the government. A few years past, I left Washington, went 35 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: to San Diego and then to Denver, and it was 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: my last couple of years in the NFL, and the 37 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: league sent out a memo that said there's they're having 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: different internships. There were different internships on there for real estate, insurance, broadcasts, 39 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: and banking, and at the bottom of that page was 40 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: US Congress And I said, that's me and I was 41 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: in my eighth year. I belie eighth the ninth year, 42 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: and I called the NFL S and how I'm interested 43 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: in doing the internship with US Congress, and so they 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: connected me with Congressman Duncan Hunter. At that time, I 45 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: was living in San Diego, California, and he was the 46 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: chairman of the Armed Services Committee at the height of 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: the war and Fellusia. It was that time period. I 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: did an internship with him, both in his district office 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: in San Diego and also in Washington, and so I 50 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: saw some very fascinating things, both good and something not 51 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: so good. But more importantly, Duncan showed me what a 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: true statesman was, what servant leadership looked like. And so 53 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: I interned with him for that summer that I went 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: back and played and I retired, and after I retired, 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: I worked for him for a season with military affairs. 56 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Upon leaving Sanday and going back to Dallas, I was 57 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: encouraged the rougher state representative. And the reason why I 58 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: did is because I learned what statesman ship looked like, 59 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: and I learned that we also have some people in 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: politics that probably shouldn't be there. And my whole purpose 61 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: was servant leadership, you know, to take the platform that 62 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: I had been blessed with in the NFL and used 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: that to reach as many people as I can with 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the things that I learned in NFL teamwork, discipline, hard work, 65 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, humility. And so I ran for the state 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: House in two thousand and twelve and one and started 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: my first term in two thousand thirteen. What's the statesman? 68 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: So to me, a statesman is one who operates in 69 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: great humility and one who operates with his conviction and 70 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: on not what's popular. A statesman is one that's willing 71 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: to stand up for right, even if here she has 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: to stand up alone, and that the character is upstanding. 73 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: The words match their actions. And statesman are very rare 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: in politics today because when you're a statesman, you have 75 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: to be willing to go against, afraid, and go against 76 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: what everybody else says it's popular. You can't be afraid 77 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: as a statesman to go home and live under the 78 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: laws of which you voted and created. We have a 79 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: lot of politicians in government, but very few statesmen. If 80 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: you look back in history of politics of old, politicians 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: of old, they sacrifice life, liberty and everything else they had. 82 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: They were true statesmen. And I think in our culture 83 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: today and our government today, we need more statesmen and 84 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: states women. And so to me, the opportunity to raise 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: the standard and that was available, and that's why I 86 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: took it to kill. Talk about what you're doing now 87 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: and how you've hone your creative side in recent years. 88 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. A lot of people who's crazy. 89 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: Let me tell you this story what happened. Let me 90 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: tell you who we really called the crazy, which really 91 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: fueled my passion for it. We were playing in an 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: international game. We were getting ready to leave Carolina. I 93 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: was playing with San Francisco and we were getting ready 94 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: to leave to go to London. So I was thinking 95 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: in my mind, like everything you do, man, is getting 96 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: laid in your career. It was my tenth year. I 97 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: was like, you gotta document some of this stuff so 98 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: you can have memories. So I got on the plane 99 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: with my camera around my neck. As soon as I 100 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: walked on the plane, the guys looked at me and say, 101 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: hold up, Spikes, what are you doing with the camera 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: around your neck. You're too big to be having the 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: camera around your neck, Like come on, doubt Like for real, like, no, seriously, 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: So I didn't let it deter me. I got on 105 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: the plane. When we got there, I went around London, 106 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: took shots of all the monuments, had a little photo shoot. 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: Didn't know what I was doing at the time with 108 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: one of my friends on the team, and uh brought 109 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: the camera in the locker room and took pictures. And 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: when we got back on the plane after the game 111 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: going back to San Franz, one guy says, Spike, let 112 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: me take a look at the images. I showed him 113 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: the pictures. One guy turned into three, Three turned into five. 114 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: Before I knew it, I had half of the team 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: over my shoulder and every I'm going through the images 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh yeah, man, let me get a 117 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: copy of that. Let me get a copy. So in 118 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: the end I looked at them and said, y'all, you 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: you remember what you told me when I walked from 120 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: the plank, like you too big to be asking for 121 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: a copy other picture. But that's when I knew I 122 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 1: was onto something because some of some of the images 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: was nice. So I was like, you know what, I 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: just want to document my life, but really document just 125 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: what we go through behind the mask and That's how 126 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: my passion really started for photography. So you're eight year, 127 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: I think year? What year? You said? It was actually 128 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: my my twelfth year, so you're twelk year. But what 129 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: triggers you to photography? You can get a photographer to 130 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: follow you. You can talk to the team and say, hey, 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about this, but you did this yourself. Now 132 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: that's something totally different, and I think this is where 133 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: the artistic side comes in. I'm a storyteller and I 134 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: love telling stories. I think only true storytellers can relate 135 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: to other true storytellers. Nobody could capture what I see 136 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: like you. I'm a very visual person and for me, 137 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: every every night before I went to bed, I was 138 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: thinking about how can I chase greatness? The next morning? 139 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: When did this start? With those starts? How can you 140 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: change greatness? How old were you? I was? How old 141 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: are you when you're in the tenth grade? My father 142 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: brought home a tape and it was lou Hotes and 143 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: the tape was called how to be a Champion. I 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: knew what I wanted to do, but I just didn't 145 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: know how to get there. And so when he brought 146 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: home this tape, he said he used to call me 147 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: key Man. He said, key Man. Look at this tape, man, 148 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: because because my family called me keyo, and so he 149 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: was just like key Man for sure. My father and 150 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: he brought the tape and I looked at it, and 151 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: lou hosts talked about, all right, everybody is everybody. They 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: wants to do things, but they're not willing and able, 153 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: but let me show you how. And through this tape 154 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: is just talked about their daily muss how to be 155 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: a champion. And my just from what I got from 156 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: that tape, my daily musk, my non non negotiables is 157 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: number one, give all honor and glory to Christ. Number 158 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: two love what you do. Three, be committed to what 159 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: you do for treat people the way that you would 160 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: want to be treated, the Golden rule. And then number 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: six is be honest. Maybe there's number five. I don't know, 162 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: maybe I skipped the number. So um, it was be 163 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: honest because that was the hardest thing that I had 164 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: to write on that paper, because you know, we can 165 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: all a lot of everybody else, but at the end 166 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: of the day, you can't lie to yourself. And so 167 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: when I put those daily non negotiables on that paper, 168 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: then lu host talked about what do you want to 169 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: do right out your goals and don't give me goals 170 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: that are easily attainable, but right after goals to where 171 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna require your work. If people look at your 172 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: goal sheet, if they don't look at you and just 173 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: be like, wow, your goals are not high enough. And 174 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: so I said, okay. So at at that age of 175 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: four fifteen years old, my goals at that time was 176 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: I want to go to a Division one school. I 177 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: want to be the best linebacker in the state. Little 178 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: did I know, I ended up being the second best 179 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: linebacker raided in the in the nation by the time 180 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: I left. I wanted to go to a Division one school. Well, 181 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: not a Division one school, but I wanted to go 182 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: to a big time school. And all of this, all 183 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: of this at the tenth grade, and um, and I 184 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: just wrote that stuff down, guys, and from me writing 185 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: it down, I put it somewhere to where it held 186 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: me accountable every morning and every night. What I mean 187 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: by that at night when I went to bed, it 188 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: was on my wall and it was the first last 189 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: thing I saw before I went to sleep, so I 190 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: would question myself for accountability. It would be to kill 191 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Did you do everything on that paper in order to 192 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Did you do everything today that you have on that 193 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: paper in order to get your goals? And I could 194 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: truly say yes, I slept good if I didn't. When 195 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: I woke up the next morning, it was I don't 196 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: care what you did yesterday. Anybody can do it one day. 197 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: Anybody can do it two days. Then it turned into 198 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: anybody can do it a week. So then that's how 199 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: I developed my consistency. And that was the challenge. And 200 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: the more and more I did it, I started seeing 201 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: my goals go away. The result the results, I was winning, 202 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I started attaining more. And so from 203 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: that point even to this day, and I teach my 204 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: daughter my daughter's oh, my daughter is fifteen years old. 205 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: And this happened at the same time. But but it's 206 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: it's it's and it all happened from my father bringing 207 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: home to take and so that's that's my drive. I 208 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: get my drive from if you believe it, write it down. 209 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can see it, you can achieve it. 210 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: Said those two things again, if you believe it. If 211 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: you if you believe it, write it down, because when 212 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: you see it, you can achieve it? What led you 213 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: to take on the careers and to kill you just 214 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: said a key man. That's what Dad called it, key 215 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Man Scott. The passions that you are that you are 216 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: now what led you to say I can do this 217 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: in terms of politics because now you look at politics now, man, 218 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: it's so combustible, it appears no one's talking. Once you 219 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: got in. How did what football taught you help you 220 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: be able to have some semblers of how you define 221 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: success because that could be unique just in the in 222 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: and of itself. First, I appreciate your kiyo and just 223 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: you know, in this moment, he just relied that his 224 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: daughter's fifteen and that it was when he was fifteen 225 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: that his father brought home a tape and you talked 226 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: about memories. You just had a great one, and I 227 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: know that your daughter would benefit because of it. I've 228 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: seen his pictures, by the way, and they're awesome. But 229 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: to answer your question, it is the passing for it. 230 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: I think mine starter When I was ten, I was 231 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: standing on the threshold of the front door of our 232 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: house in Plano, Texas, and when I came home, I 233 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: saw that my mother and father were on different sides 234 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: of the door my father was outside of my mother 235 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: was inside, and I knew something was wrong then. And 236 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: two things happened simultaneously at that point when I stood 237 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: inside the house with my mother. One, my family unit 238 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: was fractured and never to be the same. And to 239 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: the Lord dropped the vision and the dream of my 240 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: heart that one day it I would be able to 241 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: play in the NFL. So it became a dream and 242 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: a vision of mine, and I saw my family fracture 243 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: at the same time, two totally different things. But that's 244 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: when I began to have a passion and the drive 245 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: to make it to be successful and to take care 246 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: of my mother and my family. You know, I came 247 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: out of a background that was very difficult and domestic 248 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: violence and alcoholism and gambling. I love my mother and 249 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: my father, but they didn't make it as far as 250 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: being married, and so I was just established in my 251 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: heart and mind that I wasn't gonna be that way, 252 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: and that when I got my family that it would 253 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: be whole. And so I think my passion started more 254 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: from an internal perspective of one of my family unit 255 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: to be right. And I took that drive into school. 256 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I took it into working the Spring Creep barbecue, being 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: a dishwasher, trying to be the best dish washer I 258 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: could be, to be successful, even when my friends came 259 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: to the kitchen window and laughed and point to say 260 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: you sorry, you busting sud right, And I knew then 261 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I was watching dishes because that wasn't the end. That 262 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: was just the beginning to the end where I wanted 263 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: to be. My passion started then, Uh, not only to 264 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: succeed and to show people up, but to use the 265 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: potential and the gifts. I had to make something out 266 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: of myself to be successful. And so I went to 267 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: University of Illinois, as you talked about before, in ran 268 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: track and played football and graduated. And so I think 269 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: that from the time I was a child, through high school, 270 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: through college and into the NFL, that my passion was 271 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: I know what I want to do. And you know 272 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: there's people that came around me, such as yourself, and 273 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: as it came and and and helped me and encouraged 274 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: me and taught me and stoked that passion when I 275 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: was when it came time to get drafted, you know, 276 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: I was the seventh round draft pick, picked number two, 277 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: twenty six, and I played corner for one year at Illinois, 278 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: and I started, you know, at corner my senior year. 279 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: That was it. And I was always told, hey, man, 280 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: you're too little, you know, you know, you're too small 281 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL. Hell and you don't have 282 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: enough experience, and nobody knows you, they don't know what 283 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: your talent is. That you should go try for the Olympics. 284 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: You know, you're a great track. Run of this then 285 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: the other. But every time somebody said that, I remember 286 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: watching this is a Spring Creek and standing on the 287 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: threshold of the front door, my mother and father being divorced, 288 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: and my mom being battered than beaten, and the dream 289 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: and the vision that I had in my heart. Well, 290 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: end up story short. I got drafted, as you know, 291 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: in the seventh round. And then when I got into 292 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: the NFL, it was, hey, you're not gonna stay right. 293 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: You on the Friends. Every for ten years I was 294 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: on the Friends, right, we don't know if we're gonna 295 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: be able to keep you right. You're just a special 296 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: team backup corner about even though you started now, we 297 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: don't want you because there's somebody else coming. But what 298 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: that did for me was it just helped me because 299 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: I understood that it wasn't what man said, it wasn't 300 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: what people thought would happen, but what's inside of me, 301 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, what's the lawyer put in me, you know, 302 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: in order to fulfill the dreams that he's given me. 303 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: And so that's kind of how my passion developed. And 304 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: so going into politics, my path pastion was what I 305 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: saw what was wrong in our country and that how 306 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I saw leaders that were not leading out of servant 307 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: hood and that we're not leading out of humility. So 308 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: my pass and then obviously it's for people. There's twenty 309 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: million people in Texas, and when I was running a campaign, 310 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: I saw that every day it's twenty eight million people. 311 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: That's why I'm doing this. I'm doing this for the 312 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: kids that are underserved in the sudden sector of Dallars, 313 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: that don't have good educations, that are troit, that come 314 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: from families that are broken. And I'm also doing it 315 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: for the people that live in North Dallas that are 316 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: fluent and have two or three kids and you know, 317 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: a house take care. I'm doing that for the entirety 318 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: of people, not for politics, and that's what drove me. 319 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: That's why I could stay on the House floor when 320 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: there's so much confusion, when there's so much divisiveness, when 321 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: there's so much arguing. That's how that's what kept me 322 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: in seating number twenty nine and the House of Representatives. 323 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: On the House floor was my passing and my vision 324 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: for people. One of the things I till you both 325 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: of you guys, even from from key Man that video 326 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: yep of blue Hotes, and then I'll hear your your 327 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: values and how they were established even when you saw 328 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: some negativity with mom and dad separating. When you head 329 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: into these new directions or broadcasting politics and even the 330 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: work you do now, who are the mentors that's help 331 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: you in this new endeavor and what are the new 332 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: skills that you had to learn in order to be successful? 333 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Starting with you to kill some of my mentors going 334 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: into the broadcasting field immediately, I'm looking for people who 335 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: look like me. I'm looking for the black males who 336 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: possibly came from the South, guys who had a story 337 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: for me. My first introduction to it was Solomon Wilcox. 338 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: I met Solomon when I never even told this story, 339 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: so I hope he hears this one day. But we 340 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: were in Cincinnati, and I remember walking in the locker room, 341 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: and I'm a football historian, so I knew of Solomon 342 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: just from just watching TV all the time. And I 343 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: was like, okay, Solomon. I didn't know he was calling 344 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: games and so he was in part of the media 345 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: and I was like, Solomon, where are you from. He 346 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, I'm from l A. And I'm like, Solomon, 347 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: your accent don't know, you can't be from l A. 348 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: He was like, look here, brother, you gotta clean that 349 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: thing up. So you appeal to everybody, he said, you 350 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: will understand. You're coming in here with a thick Southern accent, 351 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: you know. And so but he he's been very instrumental 352 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: to me because you know, anytime we want to achieve something, 353 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: you want to find somebody who kind of looks like you, 354 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 1: you know. And so I was like, okay, he's an 355 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: African American doing this thing. And once I continued to 356 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: stay in contact with Solomon, it was just just learning 357 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: that the trick and the trades and everything that he 358 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: told me that to be aware of and things that 359 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: you need to do to continue to get better. You know, 360 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: you you only as good as your last performance. He said, 361 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: If you take that mentality outside of the game, then 362 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: of course that will be able to help you. You know, 363 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: everybody wants the prime time job, everybody wants that desk job. 364 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: The hard thing is just understanding that it's so subjective. 365 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: It's like photography. I may not be appealing to you, 366 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that I'm trashed. Hold up, I 367 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: want you to I want you to hit that. You 368 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: because you mentioned, all right, you you transition, You talked 369 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: about everybody wants the desk, right, Yeah, but that's subjective 370 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: in terms of who thinks, whoever is in power positions, 371 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: who thinks needs to be at the desk. So you 372 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: gotta deal with that. You gotta deal with that. Second 373 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: when you mentioned from photography, it's subjective. And the reason 374 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: why I want to hit that real quick because as legends, 375 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: you think about it, man, sometimes we are down on 376 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: ourselves and sometimes legends are down on themselves because of 377 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: some subjective opinion of others. And just like with photography, 378 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: or may be beautiful for someone else, right be totally 379 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: not interested for another person. So can you share that 380 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: point in your life and how did you rationalize that 381 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: where you are able to now live your life successfully 382 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: having an understanding of subject subjectivity. One of my first 383 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: experiences of just seeing like, like what is what is subjective? 384 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: After I got out of the game and I was 385 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: working with NBC. You know, it didn't work out. I 386 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: didn't sign an extension. So but it doesn't mean it 387 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: didn't mean that I was not successful, correct. I felt 388 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: like I gotta be who I am. I can't be 389 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: anybody else. But it was a great experience. And so 390 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: that was my first dose of understanding, you know. And 391 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: I kept going working with different doing different one offs 392 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: with different people, and this is the other team is 393 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: like Tequillo, we love you. Scott As closes out, this 394 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: is a quicker session. Taquio said something, and it certainly 395 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: goes to politics. He mentioned being able to see someone 396 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: that looks like me. How important is that when it 397 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: comes down to what we're doing, and particularly in politics, 398 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: seeing an African American man having the value being a statesman. 399 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: How important is that? It is important? Uh, to a 400 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: certain degree, obviously, because there's a comfort level there. And 401 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: and it's just like us being former players or being 402 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: players period. We can have never met one another, but 403 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: when we come to a group and we see each other. Immediately, 404 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: we're comfortable because we have so much in common, and 405 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: there's an immediate connectivity because we're the same in the area. 406 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: In politics, it's a little bit different, and particularly because 407 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: we are a system of Republican and Democrats. I served 408 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: as a Republican state representative and a lot of people 409 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: that look like me are not Republican, in particularly in Texas. 410 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: I was one of three, and my last sess I 411 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: was one of two. But having said that, even though 412 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: there's a dividing line between Republican and Dems Democrat from 413 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: a voting perspective, there were another fifth or sixty representatives, 414 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: albeit day with different parties, that looked like me and 415 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: had similar backgrounds to me. And so outside of politics 416 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: and even in politics, there was an immediate fellowship. But 417 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: what I tried to do is expand that and broadened 418 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: that platform to say, the commonality that we have here 419 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: is that there's a hundred and fifties here on this 420 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: floor out of twenty eight million people in Texas, and 421 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: so there's a hundred and fifthys here that really are 422 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: looking the same because we all on this floor. So 423 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: my question republican being a Republican African American How are 424 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: we able to deal with a good portion of African Americans? Like, dude, 425 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: what side you are? Right? That's like fighting words? So 426 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: how did you stay true to what you felt? Even 427 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: with possibly you know those eye raises and Republican and 428 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: you feel it once you say it right, once someone's 429 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: find out you are right? So so how do you 430 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: deal with that or how did you deal with that? Well? 431 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: And that's a great question, uh war, And I think, 432 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: like anything else, you have to be sure of who 433 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: you are and you have to be rock solid in 434 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: your conviction. Isn't that What we did do is that 435 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: the weeks and I want to emphasize that because as 436 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: we listen to legends or even current players, just remember that. 437 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 1: And when we transition sometimes we lose that doubt. So 438 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: one of the things I like to do and why 439 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: I point these things out in this podcast, is so 440 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: get our guys confidence back. Right. Okay, you've transitioned. Now 441 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: you're not doing something you were doing when you sent 442 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: you were four years old. Okay, but realize, man, you 443 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: gotta just on the fly, and most people don't end 444 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: on their own terms. And then subjectivity, Well, who told 445 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: you your career wasn't successful? Right? Who told you that? 446 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: And then re evaluating that? So as we close out 447 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: the final thing? If you, if you guys, give me 448 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: a quick statement, what advice would you give legends to 449 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: find their new focus? If I, if I have a sentence, 450 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: and I would say my statement would be to all 451 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: of the legends. Anybody who was listening, never let someone's 452 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: opinion become your reality, said again, never let someone's opinion 453 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: become your reality. You got a sentence from the Scott 454 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: I do. When I ran for the legislator, one of 455 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: the first things I heard someone say is you can't 456 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: do this. You're just a football player. But what they 457 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: don't understand is that they reminded me that, you know what, 458 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: I was a professional football player and it's only a 459 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: certain amount of us that do that one and I 460 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: and I say that because what they meant it for 461 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: was negative and that I don't have the ability nor 462 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: the capacity to transition from football into being an elected official. 463 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: But what I saw it as, Oh, I'm reminded of 464 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: how I got here from being able to be one 465 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: of just a few at the University of Illinois, being 466 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: able to be just one of fifty three on the 467 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: teams that I played for. That's that's a football player. 468 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: And the things that got me there with determination, uh, selflessness, humility, 469 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: hard work up in the morning when everybody else is sleep, 470 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: working out twice to day. Those are the things that 471 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: making us football players, to make us successful. And so 472 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: what they reminded me was, Okay, I can take those 473 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: same abilities and now transition into the world of politicans. 474 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: So I told them, I said, okay, this is my 475 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: answer to them. I must show you what a professional 476 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: football player really is and it's not what you see 477 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: on TV. I say that because when guys are transitioning, 478 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: remember how you got to the NFL and what got 479 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: you there, and you can use those same abilities, that 480 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: same conviction, and those same attributes, couple with the passion 481 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: that you have and be successful even more songs, which 482 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: was my goal being who says we can't be more 483 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: successful after football, to increase the platform that we've been given. 484 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: So my sin is is, remember you are a professional 485 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 1: football player and what got you there, the grace of 486 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: God and your skills and your abilities use as a transition. 487 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: And the last thing I always say is don't be 488 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: afraid to let someone help you get to where you 489 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: want to be. I closed this podcast with the stigment 490 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: some people see, others possess vision. Thank you guys for 491 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: sharing your vision. It's been great. Key Man Scott, thank 492 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: you to being in here. That you need a legends podcast, 493 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: this has been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback 494 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: or request the topic for discussion, email us at NFL 495 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: Legends at NFL dot com