WEBVTT - Ep. 416 "The Gun Violence Series Recap" 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.840 What's good family. I'm to make a d. Mallory and 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.640 where your hosts of street politicians, the place where the 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:19.200 streets and politics meet the end of six episodes coming. Yes, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.320 I hope that people are paying attention, you know, because 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.720 this is a topic that is is definitely is literally 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.960 between life and death. We're gonna be really really focused 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.720 on this issue and bringing people from different states and 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.880 different areas, folks who deal with different types of issues 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.240 that may cause people to pick up guns. We're gonna 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.200 be talking to mothers, We're gonna be talking to people 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.199 who have actually pulled a gun, who've been shooters in 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.879 the past. We're gonna be talking to folks who have 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:54.320 been who are victims of gun violence UM, and also 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.440 elected officials and other community members who are working to 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:05.880 make a change. My brother, his name is Prince Matt. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.160 He is the head of Community and Culture at the 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:12.080 citizen at Welcome brother, How are you doing today? But 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.360 I'm good man, Thanks for having me, Mice. I appreciate that. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.399 So before before we start, Mice, if I made UM 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.440 from being a victim of gun violence and also a 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.000 perpetrator gun violence UM, where I spent half my life 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.280 from prison for I want to personally apologize for the 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.880 shooter and for anyone who has been a victim of 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.720 gun violence. I personally, prince, I personally apologize for every 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.160 last one of them, for a lot of them do 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.640 not know the u the consequences and the hurt and 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.280 pain and trauma that they have cause. So before we 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.600 even start anything, I'm gonna take full responsibility because I 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.240 played a part in this violence in America. I played 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.960 a part in gun violence specifically in America, and I 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.720 want to take a first say I apologize for them, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.120 and many more to come. And that's it's things like that. Brothers, 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:05.120 why I a mind you and I look up to you, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:06.920 and I wanted to have you on the show because 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.280 you know, like you said, you work in the field 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.680 of gun violence, and you actually have been a perpetrator 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.800 of gun violence, and you understand both dualities. You understand 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.600 the reality that the shooter has, you understand the reality 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.880 that someone who is not the shooter has, and you've 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:27.240 been able to um to see both sides. You know, 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.120 you you spent like you said, you spend half of 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.120 your life in prison. What do you think that we 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.560 need to tell the people like us, the people in 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.880 the communities, the quote unquote o g s, the ones, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.799 the gangsters, and what what what? What message? How how 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.880 do we get through to them that they have a 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.440 responsibility to leave these kids in a different direction, If 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.160 they have a responsibility to give these kids opportunities and 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.480 chances and things that they didn't have so they don't 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.600 make the same mistakes. How do you how do you 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.840 think we relate that message? What do you think we 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.600 need to do? A lot of the ogs in our 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.519 hood are being validated for the wrong things, you know 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.240 what I'm saying, So we could validate them, But when 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.120 they start to do the right things and we start 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.600 to validate them, we could validate them and give them that, 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.720 you know, that power that they need to make what 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.120 we're talking about trending. Just like they make tight pains trending. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.160 Or we we we we can make peace trending, you 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.240 know what I'm saying. Just like they make tight pains trending. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.200 The o g s have the ability to make peace 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.400 trending and to make you know, um um cleaning our 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.640 neighborhoods trending. Because they love validation, validation. Then we have 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.480 to challenge them. We have to challenge them because you 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.960 can't live on you can't live on both sides of 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.960 the narrative. Either you want to save your community and 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.280 health the community, or you want to continue to destroy it. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.360 I appreciate you, love you man, oh Man, I love you, Mike. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.640 It's a it's a pleasure of just talking about you. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.600 I love you to death, man, and I'm gonna follow 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.440 you to the end of the world. You're all great. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:01.320 Keep doing what you're doing. Man. I have Shan Duke 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:04.880 mcfadder of g MAC in Brooklyn, New York, would maker 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.040 that's right to come as our change maker. Um. And 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.640 also because Shan Duke deals with shooters every day, right, 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.560 So Shan Duke, we are happy to have you on 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.920 Street Politicians for the first time, but it won't be 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:21.880 your last. Thank you, Yes, first time, not the last. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.240 Telling people, giving people some background on what what g 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.040 MAX stands for with the work that you do. This 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.080 is a little bit of background. Yeah, I got you. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.919 So you know, in this work, I realized I have 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.760 to so often tell who I am, what I've been 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.960 through for people to understand how I'm capable of doing 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.040 the work that I'm capable of doing. One of raised 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:47.320 Brooklyn Kings County Hospital, raised to a single mother. Never 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.800 see my father. I was raised in the projects after 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:53.560 my mother got his back from forcing care. I became 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.360 a product of what was around me in the white 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.440 harse of night your houses in downtown South Brooklyn. By 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.720 the age of sixteen, I was first conservated, became one 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.200 of the first adolescence to join the United Blood Nation. 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.880 This was Writer's Island ninety four. So when I did 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.160 it, it it was only adults. The adolescens didn't even have 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.600 a box or bing or shoot. We were sending the 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.880 HDM and that's where we met the adults who ultimately 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.720 introduced me to what became a product of my life 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.600 that sent me back and forth throughout the prison system. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.920 And two thousand and eight I was finishing up my 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.360 last prison sentence from five two thousand and five two 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.720 thousand and eight. Becuding was as another weapon. And I've 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.040 seen the father who seen who met his son, who 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.039 he had on the conjugal visit. Never seen that schalid 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.240 dan his life in the streets, and that child came 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.920 in to sing Sing prison with thirty five years at 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.560 seventeen years, and I was the only person who witnessed 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.800 that experience, and I had to make changes because I 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.720 had to win boys who were then about six or 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.839 seven years old. And I decided to change my mindset, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.840 and I ultimately know that I had to be part 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.799 of the solution and no longer part of the problem. 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.440 So I created an organization that made is to me, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.320 which is g MAC, which stands for Gangsters making Astronomical 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.000 Community Changes, and that is a fible. One seeds to 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.440 be nonprofit public charity that focused on gun violence from 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.679 a public health perspective, also dealing with social justice issues 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.400 and all the things under the unbrellaed that's causing the 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.880 violence and the issues in our community. What do you 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:23.440 think it's gonna take to really cut the gun violence? 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.200 And you know, in the inner cities and in the 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.040 communities that we come from, it's gonna take a lot 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:35.400 more money or community based organizations. It's gonna take other 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:39.120 leaders that got money that they could give to these communities. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.040 We're spending too much time hoping that the city and 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.040 the lected officials are gonna bail us out through our fight, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.440 and we cannot depend on that alan So we need 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.600 everybody invested because some way, some form. We got a 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.680 part to play. We paid a part when we were young. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.359 And I'm just speaking in general, but to really answer 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.760 the question, through my work, I've seen violence go down 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.560 through our partners, the life camps, the man ups, the 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.560 organizations that are doing this work. The work we are 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.520 doing is shown in our areas where we focus. People 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.640 don't know where we at, so they understand that we 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.760 focused on a small area and we focus on the 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.840 small percentage of the same individuals that's pushing the button 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.160 that's driving about. It's not everybody in our community, no 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.160 matter what they're trying to portray. So if you focus 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.920 on all these individuals and throughout the city, throughout East Borough, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.280 and you are you pinpoint who the shooters are, you 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.920 pinpoint the individuals that's pushing that, you'll be able to 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.200 bring down the violence. Because our goal is stopping the transmission. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.680 So every time somebody gets into our argument, we need 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.800 to be able as as a people to be in 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.119 that conversation to figure out how we could de escalate 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.840 because somebody may be more upset than the other person 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:48.760 and walk off and things over and it's not over. 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:52.960 And we had that incident where our young tenure over 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.239 was shotting far rockaway a parking spot, and if someone 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.920 was able to have had that conversation after the argument 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.080 to bring that brother down, we would have saved the 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.200 child's life. So that's what we gotta do it. On 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.400 top of that, we gotta get these elders to step up. Mike, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.760 I know what we're talking about, these brothers. You know, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.280 I'm tired of brothers. Talking about these young boys is 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.240 wilding and these younger man man ain't no young boy 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.640 ever gonna tell me how to move out. Listen, these 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.080 are our children, right, we have much more experience than 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:19.920 we gotta. We gotta call a rold from under them. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.640 We gotta we gotta run up in the in the 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.640 their stage spaces, make sure they ain't got access to 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.920 the things they got access to. We gotta be accountable 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.280 for them. These are our children pulling the trigger because 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.800 our children, So we're not the one stepping up the 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.920 men that our women shouldn't beild the front line. All 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.959 these guys is tough, the gangs, all these music is 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.439 talking about it. The real toughness is in the streets, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.080 stopping a young person from killing somebody. And that's what 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.560 we gotta do. We gotta saturate community with leaders who 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.520 are not afraid to get in front of that that 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.640 gunna say this, and we're not doing that. Here's why, Amen, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:52.280 and I appreciate that we have had those conversations painfully 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:57.000 and lovingly many times over the years, and certainly I 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.120 think we've grown both of us from those conversations. So 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.199 we love you so much and do thanks for joining 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.880 street polities. YO, love you, bro. We talked to you later. 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.040 So we have a beautiful guest with us today, someone 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.000 who has been through a lot. You know, we don't 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.120 really talk about how women are impacted by gun violence. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.520 We talk about how brothers are locked up because of 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.280 gun violence. Our brothers are losing their lives. For black 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.640 women are definitely impacted. They are victims of it, they've 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.760 seen it. They are mothers who've lost children. And today 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:37.200 with who we have with us today is Miss Patience Murray. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.880 And I'm just glad in honor to have you with 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.079 us today. Patient, Thank you so much for that. Honestly, 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.800 I know you understand what it's like to experience loss. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.240 The loss is always the transformational experience. I feel like 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.800 that thrust you into your destiny and your purpose and 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.920 Akira married. She was actually my sister in law. So 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.439 I actually talked about it in the book Survived and Live, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:04.160 the Patient's Carter story. So I hate to ask for this, 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.960 but unfortunately it's important to bring people to that night. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.120 M M. You talked about this on a number of 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.240 platforms moon times, but street politicians listeners may not have 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.640 heard it or may need to be reminded. So can 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.040 you take us back to that night you decided to 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.560 go out with two friends. What happens? You guys are 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:33.160 having a great time, and then what happens? Wow, we 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.640 were having a great time. That's the most important thing. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.800 And anybody can just be out having a great time 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.200 with their friends right at the club that night, it 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.680 was the best night ever. Like there's like really no 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.640 other way to say it. It It was the best night ever. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.400 We had a blast. Akira, Tier and I were all 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:54.240 there for vacation. That was the first night of vacation. Wow. 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.679 All right, So I spent so I was actually shot 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.960 in both in our life, and the bullet that entered 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.200 my right thigh shattered my femur. So I have a 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.679 metal ride and screws for the rest of my life, 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.079 and I actually have a bullet fragment that's going to 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.559 be there for the rest of my life unless it 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.880 gives me problems. But the reality is it was just vacation. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.520 It could have been anybody. It could have been any 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.800 three girls walking into a club from Philly experiencing that 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.920 situation that night. So and the fact that I'm even here, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.320 the fact that I'm alive, that I had breath, that's 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.199 a miracle, the fact that I'm able to do all 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.920 this stuff, and I wanted to get to it. I 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.400 definitely want to get to it. But I'm I'm the 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.040 intending Chief Vision Officer for the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation, 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.120 and I never understood how important it was to have 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.920 a foundation just solely dedicated to survivors because I thought 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.480 that there were all these resources for gun violence survivors, 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:50.240 because my view of gun violence, being a gun violence survivor, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.400 was in this mass shooting. So I had this outpour 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.679 of community love and support from Orlando. But the reality 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.400 is people experience gun violence every day and they don't 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.360 get that or blood, they don't get out course support. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:11.000 So the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation basically is the foundation 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:16.440 that answers, those unmettens, those unseen survivors, those people who 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.560 feel neglected and feel forgotten. That's what I'm trying to address. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.480 We commend you, and you know you also have our condolences, 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.480 and I was we just I just wish to have 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.280 the strength that you have. You know, it's not me. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.400 It's not me as God is my strength. And that's 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.400 what I'm staring right now. And this is why I'm 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.000 stepping into this leadership because it wasn't me for five years. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.800 I was crumbling for five years, crumbling pretending to be healed, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:46.559 pretending to be happy, pretending to be this advocate. Right now, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.200 I'm finally where God has designed me to be, and 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.120 it feels great, and I want to share this message 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.640 with other people, Like, listen, you don't have to stay broken. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:57.520 You don't have to stay broken. And I can go 0:12:57.559 --> 0:12:59.920 through what I went through. You can make it through 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:04.320 the average that you're going through right now. Wow, Well 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.920 we are so thankful. Yes, tell us the name of 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.480 your book. Where can we get the book? Tell people 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.520 how they can follow you, because you are a leader 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.840 and you definitely need to be followed to give all 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.959 the information so we can share it with the audience. Well, 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.240 my book Survived and Lived is available everywhere it Survived 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.960 and Live dot com and you can follow me on 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:32.079 Instagram at p A. E. Carter. That easy. I think 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:37.400 Maggie is with us. We just had Patience murray On 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.600 who attended Wounded but Alive. She was there for an 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.960 incredible event that you hosted, and she just talked about 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.800 her situation. I mean, obviously you know the story. She 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:53.880 was shot in post nightclub. Um carda uh. And but 0:13:54.000 --> 0:14:00.200 she's now in an organization called Survived, Survived then Live, Yes, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.520 somebody live and she's doing great work. And um, my 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.079 son and I thought that we didn't. We thought you 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.880 would come another week. You know, we're doing a series 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.640 of about six shows on gun violence. But we wanted 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.960 to be intentional by starting with this conversation around how 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.880 women are impacted because not enough it's out there, not 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.840 enough information, not enough conversation, is not enough resources and advocacy. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.560 And my son was saying, but we need Maggie On. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:34.840 We met patients through and here, Yeah, why did you 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.040 why did you decide to start an organization? Um? I 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:43.040 feel like when I got shot, I couldn't identified with 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.000 anyone I felt like I was with. I was at 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.400 the time dating someone who also been shot. But I 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.480 feel like a man being shot or a man being 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.240 injured is way worse than a woman being injured. And 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.880 they don't identify with us because you know, guys just 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.240 you know, pick up and they're talked to. You shake 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.280 it off, and we we deal with our own insecurities daily. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.920 I wake up, I'm worried about my hair, my eyelashes, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.040 this that now I have a bullet in my leg 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.840 and a rod from my knee and my hip, and 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.600 I know I can't run, No, I can't go to 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.280 the gym. And they see self conscious moments that I 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.080 felt like I knew it was the other women out 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:21.560 there that I needed to speak to. Mm hmm. Maggie, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.240 you know that you you're um, such a beautiful sister 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.480 and your little sister to us, and we love you 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.560 so much and and and I know the struggle, you know, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.360 I've heard you talk about the struggle of how deep 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.080 it is, this mental space of of having to keep 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.520 going but also having that memory of what took place 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.600 that night. You're just out having a good time. You 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.880 weren't thinking in any way shape or form that you 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.120 could get shot, that it would be you, of all 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:54.720 the people it was, but it was you for a reason. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.760 It was you for a reason because you had the 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.960 profile and the audience to be able to bring other 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.320 women together to tell their stories. And um, and we 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.960 want to continue to support you. We probably haven't done enough. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.560 Let's do more. How can people support you, you and 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.480 your organization right now? Well, right now we just have 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.840 our Instagram up which is wounded but a live w 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.840 B a UM. I'm also gonna take now that COVID 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.440 is like calming down. I'm gonna see how to get 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.320 to different cities and just provide services, local services with 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:35.000 the hairstylists and manicurists and massagists and then we all 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.360 do our healing session where we sit in a group 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:39.080 and we just talk and we let it out and 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.320 then we drink and then we paint and then we 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.400 I just want to do that just in every single 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.680 state that I can touch, because gun violence is happening 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.080 everywhere and us women are the ones that are being 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.600 hurt and we have no one to talk to about it. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.080 You know, once again, we love you, so we're gonna 0:16:54.080 --> 0:17:05.320 see love you guys that I love Maggie. Maggie has 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:10.000 a beautiful spirit. She's amazing, and patients also has a 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:20.280 beautiful spirit. Let's ime go to our guests human who 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.280 is gonna be with us, um you know for the 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.480 next and we try, y'all. We said for six, for 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.880 a series of six episodes, we're going to focus very 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:34.679 heavily on gun violence, the issue of gun violence. Intervention. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.040 Prevention awareness is really important to us, um not just 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.920 um here at street politicians, but also in our personal 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:48.720 lives based upon our experiences, based upon um you know, 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:52.520 our work and our passion and our focus in terms 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.560 of what our organization Until Freedom does. And now we're 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.240 gonna have a conversation with another brother, friend of our 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.920 friend of you know. We've got so many friends, man, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.320 this show is just full of friends, man, you know. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.600 And this is somebody that I respect the work that 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:13.840 he's done, Doctor Chico Tillman. Hey, first of all, I 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.920 want to say I'm humbled, and it's a pleasure to 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.760 being be a part of this program because I respect 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.520 and appreciate the work you do day in and day 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.000 out and some of the challenges that come with the work. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.680 So it's really an honor just to be having this 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.240 dialogue on this platform with you. And I want to 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.120 say publicly how much I appreciate the work you do 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.000 and how I see firsthand all the sacrifices you make 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.080 for our people to make this place, this country, a 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.800 better place to live in for Indigenous people. Thank you 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.360 so much, Chico. We appreciate that you know you are 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.240 certainly our brother. Um. You know, I want to make 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.800 sure that folks understand who we're talking to in this 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.920 series where we're focusing on gun violence. Each show has 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.720 different things and the reason why we wanted to have 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.800 you on as the senior research direct there for the 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:16.960 University of Chicago's Crime and Education Lab. Um, I think 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.320 and and my son and I were talking about what 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.720 this series looks like. We have to have people elected officials, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.880 folks who are practitioners, folks who do mental health support, 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.760 because this issue of gun violence is so much bigger 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.600 than just putting law enforcement in our communities. So that's 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.600 why we wanted to have you on today. So Chico, 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.120 tell us what you've been doing, what you're working on, 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.800 and then of course we'll get into how people can 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.320 be helpful. The first thing I want to say is 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.280 thank you for recognizing that we can't arrest our way 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.479 out of it. And I want to start by saying 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.080 that most people don't even think critically that when a 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.560 situation happens, or for sit wation occurring, you don't call 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:07.040 law enforcement till it reaches a particular point or escalates 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.960 to a point where crime is being committed, and then 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.119 it's too late, somebody already shot. So one of the 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.760 things I'm working on with the Crime Lab is building 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.240 systems and structures throughout the United States to change the 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.040 way we look at it. UM. I think we have 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.639 to address the root causes of violence. A lot of 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.280 it is systemic racism, um and and and it's it's 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.679 in a plethora of spaces. It's not just. And what 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.320 it does is it allows individuals who live in these 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.960 vulnerable communities to be traumatized day and night, so that 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.560 when they reach conflict, they already dealing with all these 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.840 microaggressions and they're at a boiling point. So something is 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:58.479 simple as an argument escalates to somebody being um killed. 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.080 So I say, first, gotta address these systems. And I 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.320 love the work that you're doing because it addresses the systems. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.840 Another huge thing we're doing nationally. I'm working with a 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.760 group of great minds from all over the country on 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.679 initiative called fund Peace, And what we're doing is getting 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.200 these resources down to the people on the ground who 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.480 live in these vulnerable communities. When I say vulnerable communities, 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.480 I mean disinvested communities. And I think the big problem 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:32.560 is people want us to work a miracle with short money. 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:36.359 If you have only a certain amount of money, somebody's 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.240 gonna be left out. And they're giving us a short 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.040 amount of money to work out all the kings around violence. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:48.560 When violence occuraged for a plector reasons which the government 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.160 needs to be involved because they helped create these situations. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.359 And you know what I want to actually and then 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.240 we're going backwards with this, but I just want you 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.679 to give a little bit of your background, Like you know, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.680 where did you come from? You know your situation, how 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.560 did you get to this place to where you're this 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:08.040 esteemed doctor who understands our community and able to really 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:12.040 give the solutions that's gonna change. Uh. First, I want 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:15.240 to start by saying I'm from the Austin community, which 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:20.639 is um numerically the most violent community in Chicago. Um, 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.399 it's one of the poorest communities. So I'm from the 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.520 hood or the street. UM. I do have a background 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.600