Speaker 1: What's good family. I'm to make a d. Mallory and
Speaker 1: where your hosts of street politicians, the place where the
Speaker 1: streets and politics meet the end of six episodes coming. Yes,
Speaker 1: I hope that people are paying attention, you know, because
Speaker 1: this is a topic that is is definitely is literally
Speaker 1: between life and death. We're gonna be really really focused
Speaker 1: on this issue and bringing people from different states and
Speaker 1: different areas, folks who deal with different types of issues
Speaker 1: that may cause people to pick up guns. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking to mothers, We're gonna be talking to people
Speaker 1: who have actually pulled a gun, who've been shooters in
Speaker 1: the past. We're gonna be talking to folks who have
Speaker 1: been who are victims of gun violence UM, and also
Speaker 1: elected officials and other community members who are working to
Speaker 1: make a change. My brother, his name is Prince Matt.
Speaker 1: He is the head of Community and Culture at the
Speaker 1: citizen at Welcome brother, How are you doing today? But
Speaker 1: I'm good man, Thanks for having me, Mice. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So before before we start, Mice, if I made UM
Speaker 1: from being a victim of gun violence and also a
Speaker 1: perpetrator gun violence UM, where I spent half my life
Speaker 1: from prison for I want to personally apologize for the
Speaker 1: shooter and for anyone who has been a victim of
Speaker 1: gun violence. I personally, prince, I personally apologize for every
Speaker 1: last one of them, for a lot of them do
Speaker 1: not know the u the consequences and the hurt and
Speaker 1: pain and trauma that they have cause. So before we
Speaker 1: even start anything, I'm gonna take full responsibility because I
Speaker 1: played a part in this violence in America. I played
Speaker 1: a part in gun violence specifically in America, and I
Speaker 1: want to take a first say I apologize for them,
Speaker 1: and many more to come. And that's it's things like that. Brothers,
Speaker 1: why I a mind you and I look up to you,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to have you on the show because
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, you work in the field
Speaker 1: of gun violence, and you actually have been a perpetrator
Speaker 1: of gun violence, and you understand both dualities. You understand
Speaker 1: the reality that the shooter has, you understand the reality
Speaker 1: that someone who is not the shooter has, and you've
Speaker 1: been able to um to see both sides. You know,
Speaker 1: you you spent like you said, you spend half of
Speaker 1: your life in prison. What do you think that we
Speaker 1: need to tell the people like us, the people in
Speaker 1: the communities, the quote unquote o g s, the ones,
Speaker 1: the gangsters, and what what what? What message? How how
Speaker 1: do we get through to them that they have a
Speaker 1: responsibility to leave these kids in a different direction, If
Speaker 1: they have a responsibility to give these kids opportunities and
Speaker 1: chances and things that they didn't have so they don't
Speaker 1: make the same mistakes. How do you how do you
Speaker 1: think we relate that message? What do you think we
Speaker 1: need to do? A lot of the ogs in our
Speaker 1: hood are being validated for the wrong things, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So we could validate them, But when
Speaker 1: they start to do the right things and we start
Speaker 1: to validate them, we could validate them and give them that,
Speaker 1: you know, that power that they need to make what
Speaker 1: we're talking about trending. Just like they make tight pains trending.
Speaker 1: Or we we we we can make peace trending, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Just like they make tight pains trending.
Speaker 1: The o g s have the ability to make peace
Speaker 1: trending and to make you know, um um cleaning our
Speaker 1: neighborhoods trending. Because they love validation, validation. Then we have
Speaker 1: to challenge them. We have to challenge them because you
Speaker 1: can't live on you can't live on both sides of
Speaker 1: the narrative. Either you want to save your community and
Speaker 1: health the community, or you want to continue to destroy it.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, love you man, oh Man, I love you, Mike.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a pleasure of just talking about you.
Speaker 1: I love you to death, man, and I'm gonna follow
Speaker 1: you to the end of the world. You're all great.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing. Man. I have Shan Duke
Speaker 1: mcfadder of g MAC in Brooklyn, New York, would maker
Speaker 1: that's right to come as our change maker. Um. And
Speaker 1: also because Shan Duke deals with shooters every day, right,
Speaker 1: So Shan Duke, we are happy to have you on
Speaker 1: Street Politicians for the first time, but it won't be
Speaker 1: your last. Thank you, Yes, first time, not the last.
Speaker 1: Telling people, giving people some background on what what g
Speaker 1: MAX stands for with the work that you do. This
Speaker 1: is a little bit of background. Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: So you know, in this work, I realized I have
Speaker 1: to so often tell who I am, what I've been
Speaker 1: through for people to understand how I'm capable of doing
Speaker 1: the work that I'm capable of doing. One of raised
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Kings County Hospital, raised to a single mother. Never
Speaker 1: see my father. I was raised in the projects after
Speaker 1: my mother got his back from forcing care. I became
Speaker 1: a product of what was around me in the white
Speaker 1: harse of night your houses in downtown South Brooklyn. By
Speaker 1: the age of sixteen, I was first conservated, became one
Speaker 1: of the first adolescence to join the United Blood Nation.
Speaker 1: This was Writer's Island ninety four. So when I did
Speaker 1: it, it it was only adults. The adolescens didn't even have
Speaker 1: a box or bing or shoot. We were sending the
Speaker 1: HDM and that's where we met the adults who ultimately
Speaker 1: introduced me to what became a product of my life
Speaker 1: that sent me back and forth throughout the prison system.
Speaker 1: And two thousand and eight I was finishing up my
Speaker 1: last prison sentence from five two thousand and five two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Becuding was as another weapon. And I've
Speaker 1: seen the father who seen who met his son, who
Speaker 1: he had on the conjugal visit. Never seen that schalid
Speaker 1: dan his life in the streets, and that child came
Speaker 1: in to sing Sing prison with thirty five years at
Speaker 1: seventeen years, and I was the only person who witnessed
Speaker 1: that experience, and I had to make changes because I
Speaker 1: had to win boys who were then about six or
Speaker 1: seven years old. And I decided to change my mindset,
Speaker 1: and I ultimately know that I had to be part
Speaker 1: of the solution and no longer part of the problem.
Speaker 1: So I created an organization that made is to me,
Speaker 1: which is g MAC, which stands for Gangsters making Astronomical
Speaker 1: Community Changes, and that is a fible. One seeds to
Speaker 1: be nonprofit public charity that focused on gun violence from
Speaker 1: a public health perspective, also dealing with social justice issues
Speaker 1: and all the things under the unbrellaed that's causing the
Speaker 1: violence and the issues in our community. What do you
Speaker 1: think it's gonna take to really cut the gun violence?
Speaker 1: And you know, in the inner cities and in the
Speaker 1: communities that we come from, it's gonna take a lot
Speaker 1: more money or community based organizations. It's gonna take other
Speaker 1: leaders that got money that they could give to these communities.
Speaker 1: We're spending too much time hoping that the city and
Speaker 1: the lected officials are gonna bail us out through our fight,
Speaker 1: and we cannot depend on that alan So we need
Speaker 1: everybody invested because some way, some form. We got a
Speaker 1: part to play. We paid a part when we were young.
Speaker 1: And I'm just speaking in general, but to really answer
Speaker 1: the question, through my work, I've seen violence go down
Speaker 1: through our partners, the life camps, the man ups, the
Speaker 1: organizations that are doing this work. The work we are
Speaker 1: doing is shown in our areas where we focus. People
Speaker 1: don't know where we at, so they understand that we
Speaker 1: focused on a small area and we focus on the
Speaker 1: small percentage of the same individuals that's pushing the button
Speaker 1: that's driving about. It's not everybody in our community, no
Speaker 1: matter what they're trying to portray. So if you focus
Speaker 1: on all these individuals and throughout the city, throughout East Borough,
Speaker 1: and you are you pinpoint who the shooters are, you
Speaker 1: pinpoint the individuals that's pushing that, you'll be able to
Speaker 1: bring down the violence. Because our goal is stopping the transmission.
Speaker 1: So every time somebody gets into our argument, we need
Speaker 1: to be able as as a people to be in
Speaker 1: that conversation to figure out how we could de escalate
Speaker 1: because somebody may be more upset than the other person
Speaker 1: and walk off and things over and it's not over.
Speaker 1: And we had that incident where our young tenure over
Speaker 1: was shotting far rockaway a parking spot, and if someone
Speaker 1: was able to have had that conversation after the argument
Speaker 1: to bring that brother down, we would have saved the
Speaker 1: child's life. So that's what we gotta do it. On
Speaker 1: top of that, we gotta get these elders to step up. Mike,
Speaker 1: I know what we're talking about, these brothers. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm tired of brothers. Talking about these young boys is
Speaker 1: wilding and these younger man man ain't no young boy
Speaker 1: ever gonna tell me how to move out. Listen, these
Speaker 1: are our children, right, we have much more experience than
Speaker 1: we gotta. We gotta call a rold from under them.
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta run up in the in the
Speaker 1: their stage spaces, make sure they ain't got access to
Speaker 1: the things they got access to. We gotta be accountable
Speaker 1: for them. These are our children pulling the trigger because
Speaker 1: our children, So we're not the one stepping up the
Speaker 1: men that our women shouldn't beild the front line. All
Speaker 1: these guys is tough, the gangs, all these music is
Speaker 1: talking about it. The real toughness is in the streets,
Speaker 1: stopping a young person from killing somebody. And that's what
Speaker 1: we gotta do. We gotta saturate community with leaders who
Speaker 1: are not afraid to get in front of that that
Speaker 1: gunna say this, and we're not doing that. Here's why, Amen,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that we have had those conversations painfully
Speaker 1: and lovingly many times over the years, and certainly I
Speaker 1: think we've grown both of us from those conversations. So
Speaker 1: we love you so much and do thanks for joining
Speaker 1: street polities. YO, love you, bro. We talked to you later.
Speaker 1: So we have a beautiful guest with us today, someone
Speaker 1: who has been through a lot. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: really talk about how women are impacted by gun violence.
Speaker 1: We talk about how brothers are locked up because of
Speaker 1: gun violence. Our brothers are losing their lives. For black
Speaker 1: women are definitely impacted. They are victims of it, they've
Speaker 1: seen it. They are mothers who've lost children. And today
Speaker 1: with who we have with us today is Miss Patience Murray.
Speaker 1: And I'm just glad in honor to have you with
Speaker 1: us today. Patient, Thank you so much for that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I know you understand what it's like to experience loss.
Speaker 1: The loss is always the transformational experience. I feel like
Speaker 1: that thrust you into your destiny and your purpose and
Speaker 1: Akira married. She was actually my sister in law. So
Speaker 1: I actually talked about it in the book Survived and Live,
Speaker 1: the Patient's Carter story. So I hate to ask for this,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately it's important to bring people to that night.
Speaker 1: M M. You talked about this on a number of
Speaker 1: platforms moon times, but street politicians listeners may not have
Speaker 1: heard it or may need to be reminded. So can
Speaker 1: you take us back to that night you decided to
Speaker 1: go out with two friends. What happens? You guys are
Speaker 1: having a great time, and then what happens? Wow, we
Speaker 1: were having a great time. That's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: And anybody can just be out having a great time
Speaker 1: with their friends right at the club that night, it
Speaker 1: was the best night ever. Like there's like really no
Speaker 1: other way to say it. It It was the best night ever.
Speaker 1: We had a blast. Akira, Tier and I were all
Speaker 1: there for vacation. That was the first night of vacation. Wow.
Speaker 1: All right, So I spent so I was actually shot
Speaker 1: in both in our life, and the bullet that entered
Speaker 1: my right thigh shattered my femur. So I have a
Speaker 1: metal ride and screws for the rest of my life,
Speaker 1: and I actually have a bullet fragment that's going to
Speaker 1: be there for the rest of my life unless it
Speaker 1: gives me problems. But the reality is it was just vacation.
Speaker 1: It could have been anybody. It could have been any
Speaker 1: three girls walking into a club from Philly experiencing that
Speaker 1: situation that night. So and the fact that I'm even here,
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm alive, that I had breath, that's
Speaker 1: a miracle, the fact that I'm able to do all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and I wanted to get to it. I
Speaker 1: definitely want to get to it. But I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: intending Chief Vision Officer for the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation,
Speaker 1: and I never understood how important it was to have
Speaker 1: a foundation just solely dedicated to survivors because I thought
Speaker 1: that there were all these resources for gun violence survivors,
Speaker 1: because my view of gun violence, being a gun violence survivor,
Speaker 1: was in this mass shooting. So I had this outpour
Speaker 1: of community love and support from Orlando. But the reality
Speaker 1: is people experience gun violence every day and they don't
Speaker 1: get that or blood, they don't get out course support.
Speaker 1: So the Gun Violence Survivors Foundation basically is the foundation
Speaker 1: that answers, those unmettens, those unseen survivors, those people who
Speaker 1: feel neglected and feel forgotten. That's what I'm trying to address.
Speaker 1: We commend you, and you know you also have our condolences,
Speaker 1: and I was we just I just wish to have
Speaker 1: the strength that you have. You know, it's not me.
Speaker 1: It's not me as God is my strength. And that's
Speaker 1: what I'm staring right now. And this is why I'm
Speaker 1: stepping into this leadership because it wasn't me for five years.
Speaker 1: I was crumbling for five years, crumbling pretending to be healed,
Speaker 1: pretending to be happy, pretending to be this advocate. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm finally where God has designed me to be, and
Speaker 1: it feels great, and I want to share this message
Speaker 1: with other people, Like, listen, you don't have to stay broken.
Speaker 1: You don't have to stay broken. And I can go
Speaker 1: through what I went through. You can make it through
Speaker 1: the average that you're going through right now. Wow, Well
Speaker 1: we are so thankful. Yes, tell us the name of
Speaker 1: your book. Where can we get the book? Tell people
Speaker 1: how they can follow you, because you are a leader
Speaker 1: and you definitely need to be followed to give all
Speaker 1: the information so we can share it with the audience. Well,
Speaker 1: my book Survived and Lived is available everywhere it Survived
Speaker 1: and Live dot com and you can follow me on
Speaker 1: Instagram at p A. E. Carter. That easy. I think
Speaker 1: Maggie is with us. We just had Patience murray On
Speaker 1: who attended Wounded but Alive. She was there for an
Speaker 1: incredible event that you hosted, and she just talked about
Speaker 1: her situation. I mean, obviously you know the story. She
Speaker 1: was shot in post nightclub. Um carda uh. And but
Speaker 1: she's now in an organization called Survived, Survived then Live, Yes,
Speaker 1: somebody live and she's doing great work. And um, my
Speaker 1: son and I thought that we didn't. We thought you
Speaker 1: would come another week. You know, we're doing a series
Speaker 1: of about six shows on gun violence. But we wanted
Speaker 1: to be intentional by starting with this conversation around how
Speaker 1: women are impacted because not enough it's out there, not
Speaker 1: enough information, not enough conversation, is not enough resources and advocacy.
Speaker 1: And my son was saying, but we need Maggie On.
Speaker 1: We met patients through and here, Yeah, why did you
Speaker 1: why did you decide to start an organization? Um? I
Speaker 1: feel like when I got shot, I couldn't identified with
Speaker 1: anyone I felt like I was with. I was at
Speaker 1: the time dating someone who also been shot. But I
Speaker 1: feel like a man being shot or a man being
Speaker 1: injured is way worse than a woman being injured. And
Speaker 1: they don't identify with us because you know, guys just
Speaker 1: you know, pick up and they're talked to. You shake
Speaker 1: it off, and we we deal with our own insecurities daily.
Speaker 1: I wake up, I'm worried about my hair, my eyelashes,
Speaker 1: this that now I have a bullet in my leg
Speaker 1: and a rod from my knee and my hip, and
Speaker 1: I know I can't run, No, I can't go to
Speaker 1: the gym. And they see self conscious moments that I
Speaker 1: felt like I knew it was the other women out
Speaker 1: there that I needed to speak to. Mm hmm. Maggie,
Speaker 1: you know that you you're um, such a beautiful sister
Speaker 1: and your little sister to us, and we love you
Speaker 1: so much and and and I know the struggle, you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about the struggle of how deep
Speaker 1: it is, this mental space of of having to keep
Speaker 1: going but also having that memory of what took place
Speaker 1: that night. You're just out having a good time. You
Speaker 1: weren't thinking in any way shape or form that you
Speaker 1: could get shot, that it would be you, of all
Speaker 1: the people it was, but it was you for a reason.
Speaker 1: It was you for a reason because you had the
Speaker 1: profile and the audience to be able to bring other
Speaker 1: women together to tell their stories. And um, and we
Speaker 1: want to continue to support you. We probably haven't done enough.
Speaker 1: Let's do more. How can people support you, you and
Speaker 1: your organization right now? Well, right now we just have
Speaker 1: our Instagram up which is wounded but a live w
Speaker 1: B a UM. I'm also gonna take now that COVID
Speaker 1: is like calming down. I'm gonna see how to get
Speaker 1: to different cities and just provide services, local services with
Speaker 1: the hairstylists and manicurists and massagists and then we all
Speaker 1: do our healing session where we sit in a group
Speaker 1: and we just talk and we let it out and
Speaker 1: then we drink and then we paint and then we
Speaker 1: I just want to do that just in every single
Speaker 1: state that I can touch, because gun violence is happening
Speaker 1: everywhere and us women are the ones that are being
Speaker 1: hurt and we have no one to talk to about it.
Speaker 1: You know, once again, we love you, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: see love you guys that I love Maggie. Maggie has
Speaker 1: a beautiful spirit. She's amazing, and patients also has a
Speaker 1: beautiful spirit. Let's ime go to our guests human who
Speaker 1: is gonna be with us, um you know for the
Speaker 1: next and we try, y'all. We said for six, for
Speaker 1: a series of six episodes, we're going to focus very
Speaker 1: heavily on gun violence, the issue of gun violence. Intervention.
Speaker 1: Prevention awareness is really important to us, um not just
Speaker 1: um here at street politicians, but also in our personal
Speaker 1: lives based upon our experiences, based upon um you know,
Speaker 1: our work and our passion and our focus in terms
Speaker 1: of what our organization Until Freedom does. And now we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a conversation with another brother, friend of our
Speaker 1: friend of you know. We've got so many friends, man,
Speaker 1: this show is just full of friends, man, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is somebody that I respect the work that
Speaker 1: he's done, Doctor Chico Tillman. Hey, first of all, I
Speaker 1: want to say I'm humbled, and it's a pleasure to
Speaker 1: being be a part of this program because I respect
Speaker 1: and appreciate the work you do day in and day
Speaker 1: out and some of the challenges that come with the work.
Speaker 1: So it's really an honor just to be having this
Speaker 1: dialogue on this platform with you. And I want to
Speaker 1: say publicly how much I appreciate the work you do
Speaker 1: and how I see firsthand all the sacrifices you make
Speaker 1: for our people to make this place, this country, a
Speaker 1: better place to live in for Indigenous people. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Chico. We appreciate that you know you are
Speaker 1: certainly our brother. Um. You know, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that folks understand who we're talking to in this
Speaker 1: series where we're focusing on gun violence. Each show has
Speaker 1: different things and the reason why we wanted to have
Speaker 1: you on as the senior research direct there for the
Speaker 1: University of Chicago's Crime and Education Lab. Um, I think
Speaker 1: and and my son and I were talking about what
Speaker 1: this series looks like. We have to have people elected officials,
Speaker 1: folks who are practitioners, folks who do mental health support,
Speaker 1: because this issue of gun violence is so much bigger
Speaker 1: than just putting law enforcement in our communities. So that's
Speaker 1: why we wanted to have you on today. So Chico,
Speaker 1: tell us what you've been doing, what you're working on,
Speaker 1: and then of course we'll get into how people can
Speaker 1: be helpful. The first thing I want to say is
Speaker 1: thank you for recognizing that we can't arrest our way
Speaker 1: out of it. And I want to start by saying
Speaker 1: that most people don't even think critically that when a
Speaker 1: situation happens, or for sit wation occurring, you don't call
Speaker 1: law enforcement till it reaches a particular point or escalates
Speaker 1: to a point where crime is being committed, and then
Speaker 1: it's too late, somebody already shot. So one of the
Speaker 1: things I'm working on with the Crime Lab is building
Speaker 1: systems and structures throughout the United States to change the
Speaker 1: way we look at it. UM. I think we have
Speaker 1: to address the root causes of violence. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is systemic racism, um and and and it's it's
Speaker 1: in a plethora of spaces. It's not just. And what
Speaker 1: it does is it allows individuals who live in these
Speaker 1: vulnerable communities to be traumatized day and night, so that
Speaker 1: when they reach conflict, they already dealing with all these
Speaker 1: microaggressions and they're at a boiling point. So something is
Speaker 1: simple as an argument escalates to somebody being um killed.
Speaker 1: So I say, first, gotta address these systems. And I
Speaker 1: love the work that you're doing because it addresses the systems.
Speaker 1: Another huge thing we're doing nationally. I'm working with a
Speaker 1: group of great minds from all over the country on
Speaker 1: initiative called fund Peace, And what we're doing is getting
Speaker 1: these resources down to the people on the ground who
Speaker 1: live in these vulnerable communities. When I say vulnerable communities,
Speaker 1: I mean disinvested communities. And I think the big problem
Speaker 1: is people want us to work a miracle with short money.
Speaker 1: If you have only a certain amount of money, somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna be left out. And they're giving us a short
Speaker 1: amount of money to work out all the kings around violence.
Speaker 1: When violence occuraged for a plector reasons which the government
Speaker 1: needs to be involved because they helped create these situations.
Speaker 1: And you know what I want to actually and then
Speaker 1: we're going backwards with this, but I just want you
Speaker 1: to give a little bit of your background, Like you know,
Speaker 1: where did you come from? You know your situation, how
Speaker 1: did you get to this place to where you're this
Speaker 1: esteemed doctor who understands our community and able to really
Speaker 1: give the solutions that's gonna change. Uh. First, I want
Speaker 1: to start by saying I'm from the Austin community, which
Speaker 1: is um numerically the most violent community in Chicago. Um,
Speaker 1: it's one of the poorest communities. So I'm from the
Speaker 1: hood or the street. UM. I do have a background
Speaker 1: in a subculture group, which means I was and and
Speaker 1: in clear terms or vivid terms, I was a part
Speaker 1: of a game. UM. But I had an epiphany and
Speaker 1: I was sentenced to twenty years in prison under draconian
Speaker 1: crack sentence. But I should have only got three and
Speaker 1: a half years, So I did thirteen excessive years because
Speaker 1: of racial profiling and the criminalization of black people by
Speaker 1: the United States government. Let me start there. So after
Speaker 1: in prison, I realized what a allowed me to be
Speaker 1: able to mentally go through this process was that I
Speaker 1: realized some of the things I was doing wrong and
Speaker 1: the influence I had on so many people. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something different, and coming home, I fell
Speaker 1: in love with this process of being able to save
Speaker 1: lives because it was a conflict between two groups and
Speaker 1: I knew both of the guys and I was able
Speaker 1: to stop people from killing each other. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, I never felt anything remotely closed to the
Speaker 1: joy and satisfaction that I got from saving a life.
Speaker 1: And I was bought into that process. But what I
Speaker 1: learned soon as I got into the process is that
Speaker 1: without education, I wouldn't be able to make any impact
Speaker 1: in terms of decision and that's what started me on
Speaker 1: this track or this role to going back to school.
Speaker 1: And the difference from me and a lot of other
Speaker 1: people is I'm still connected to people in the street.
Speaker 1: My perception of people hasn't changed. I don't think they monsters.
Speaker 1: I think they just like me. They need pathways or
Speaker 1: opportunities to change their life and they need to be
Speaker 1: connected to people like me to know that its possible.
Speaker 1: So I still have relationships in my community. I still
Speaker 1: going my old community. I still love on them, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm patient with them because it was a process for
Speaker 1: me to change. The day I was released, the expectation
Speaker 1: was that I'd be normal, as if none of that
Speaker 1: never happened. So I never received any services to help
Speaker 1: me psychologically transition back into society. Now I had a
Speaker 1: support system that helped me navigate. Imagine, for everybody that's
Speaker 1: arrested or go through that trauma, the pressures of getting out.
Speaker 1: In the first day, the first thing people talking about
Speaker 1: is getting a job, as if none of that had
Speaker 1: ever happened. And I think we gotta work with these
Speaker 1: people and help them understand what you went through is
Speaker 1: not normal, no matter what you did to get there,
Speaker 1: and help them go through a transition period to get
Speaker 1: back acclimated to society. I say the same thing all
Speaker 1: the time, and especially you know being in prison. I
Speaker 1: didn't do as much time as you did, but just
Speaker 1: understanding this the dynamics, you know, and then being acts
Speaker 1: and just come back into a society and just you know,
Speaker 1: and resume as if you've missed time. You you missed,
Speaker 1: you know, you missed generations. Like ten years is a decade,
Speaker 1: you know, so many things happen in two or three years.
Speaker 1: In two or three years being free, things have happened
Speaker 1: to have completely changed. So ten and sixteen and I'm
Speaker 1: seven years that I did it was it was. It
Speaker 1: was a real far stretch and it took a lot
Speaker 1: of time, and fortunately for us we had those support
Speaker 1: systems man that was able to do it. So I
Speaker 1: just want to say, I commend you brother on the
Speaker 1: work that you do, you know, especially where you do
Speaker 1: it at Like you said, we just had you know,
Speaker 1: I was out there with you men and the spirit
Speaker 1: and the love that you bring to this work into
Speaker 1: this movement is needed and is appreciated. Man. So listen,
Speaker 1: fund Piece, we with you. We want to you know,
Speaker 1: we want if we wanted, whatever we can do to
Speaker 1: help you know, we with you. We're gonna make sure
Speaker 1: that we we align with you once again, another one
Speaker 1: of our friends and our brothers keep doing the world. Brother,
Speaker 1: you appreciate that you are definitely one of the ones
Speaker 1: that are shining and these brothers definitely need you in
Speaker 1: these streets. Man, if there's an organization out there, grassroots
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Speaker 1: sure people understand clearly that fund Piece is a conduit
Speaker 1: to help grassroots organizers and organizations get resources so that
Speaker 1: they can do the work in their communities. And so,
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Speaker 1: have the knowledge base of how to do that. Where
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Speaker 1: material we have for free. So it's it's we're doing
Speaker 1: everything we can to try to help as many people
Speaker 1: as possible. So we are you know, Also as a
Speaker 1: part of this series, I think what's important is while
Speaker 1: we are covering those people who have the ability to
Speaker 1: make real like big change. So you know, someone like Chico,
Speaker 1: he is someone who with the work that fund pieces doing,
Speaker 1: they have the ability to really help support a lot
Speaker 1: of people across thecation. Absolutely um. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: what I am also very very what makes me ful
Speaker 1: is people like patients, Mary who is a victim, Maggie
Speaker 1: Carry a victim who's turned their pain into purpose. And
Speaker 1: this brother who is joining us today, Kareem Nelson is
Speaker 1: one of those who we see at protests all the time.
Speaker 1: He's out there not just UM for you know, for
Speaker 1: the issue around gun violence. Because certainly we've seen him
Speaker 1: in the Bronx in different places, marching to bring about
Speaker 1: change and to help curb gun violence and to bring
Speaker 1: UM gangs together. But also I've seen him at police
Speaker 1: brutality protests. I've seen him in so many different spaces
Speaker 1: out there as a real advocate. His name is Kareem
Speaker 1: Nelson again, and his organization is Wheelchairs Against Guns. Kareem,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having mean. So let's start with the personal side. Um, Kareem,
Speaker 1: what happened to you? Um? I ran across a man
Speaker 1: in the complex seller drugs. I didn't want to be anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, I just exercise my cancer. And the day
Speaker 1: that I saw him was father's you know, he was
Speaker 1: doing what he was doing and I was totally frustrated.
Speaker 1: I had it done on me, but it was in
Speaker 1: the bushes, and you know, my frustration and my stupidity
Speaker 1: allowed me to put my hands on that man and
Speaker 1: his friend, you know, shot me. That was June Fathers
Speaker 1: um my life. I never had a job. I don't
Speaker 1: know what working is. So they're putting a good shire.
Speaker 1: It was like like it's faring to me. They wanted
Speaker 1: to give me a check that was worth five hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty three dollars a month, and I had to
Speaker 1: live off them. I had to pay rent, I had
Speaker 1: to do all that you know, not never having a job,
Speaker 1: a little self esteem, I believing in myself that I
Speaker 1: could do better. I see him back to the streets
Speaker 1: at this time. When I went back to the streets, UM,
Speaker 1: I put a federal federal charge for UH expiracy to
Speaker 1: just shooting fifty grants and more practical came. I lost
Speaker 1: my pulmit went the chail. UH. Four and a half
Speaker 1: years I changed the practical sho me I mean had early.
Speaker 1: I came home, still didn't learn my lesson, still thinking
Speaker 1: about the streets and trying to catch up, and my
Speaker 1: money not being the way I wanted it to be,
Speaker 1: you know, for doing dumb things untail like giving it,
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. When I came home, I
Speaker 1: was behind the ball, but I had to catch up.
Speaker 1: Went right back to what I knew. This time, I
Speaker 1: trusted mine. My family member had a family remember that
Speaker 1: was in the streets. Awesome. You know we did this
Speaker 1: thing and thous of times between us. This one time
Speaker 1: when you know, we want to go through the business.
Speaker 1: He decided to take all the prey and all the money.
Speaker 1: Wasn't mind you know, some killer's money. It was some
Speaker 1: good friends money. And you know the killer's money, their money,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't produce it. So that night gave back
Speaker 1: to see them me to the fan Caul of p
Speaker 1: drow Someway Dark and it was about you know, calling
Speaker 1: bags out the trunk to clubs one and I got scared.
Speaker 1: For the first half of my life, I really valued
Speaker 1: my life because I really got scared. You know, I
Speaker 1: know I played with them brothers, you know, Guard always
Speaker 1: with me, called Pod. He wasn't the only once there,
Speaker 1: no more. So that was that they couldn't do what
Speaker 1: they had to do. I went home. I was funked
Speaker 1: up at the time. I had the bar to my
Speaker 1: my moms and these things back there brand I gave
Speaker 1: it back their bread and that night over fourteen makes
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, I sat in my bed and I
Speaker 1: put I finally understood while I was the purpose of
Speaker 1: me then his wheel chap was to help out the
Speaker 1: young gun that looked like they sound like that, you know,
Speaker 1: and come f where I come from, don't have to
Speaker 1: have a gocal it. So that's my story I ain't
Speaker 1: proud of. It is real. It's real, and it's real,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's a familiar story. You know, with
Speaker 1: the with the exception of the wheelchair, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people have that same similar story. So all
Speaker 1: of these programs that that we see out here now, um,
Speaker 1: you know Wheelchairs against Guns, uh, you know life Camp,
Speaker 1: um uh, you have g MAC, you have who else
Speaker 1: I'm a man up. You have all of these different organizations.
Speaker 1: You're saying we didn't have access to that. You didn't
Speaker 1: have access to those types of organs at the time.
Speaker 1: Not at all, not at all. It says, that's why
Speaker 1: the kids that they don't realize the duty of what
Speaker 1: they got, you know what I mean, they got real
Speaker 1: people that you know, done what they've done, lived the
Speaker 1: life that they're trying to live coming back talking to
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they don't really realize that,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's Sam Pop because you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes when I turn the lowse on it the mounting
Speaker 1: and I hey about all these kids din't kill I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm not doing my job. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel you know, I mean, I left a lot
Speaker 1: of kids and limber and limber with my neighborhood that
Speaker 1: just got that selling drugs and doing stupid ship's cool
Speaker 1: and I take the plane for that you know. I
Speaker 1: mean that's another reason why I get back so hard.
Speaker 1: You don't have no on it. Every time you see
Speaker 1: me or you see my organization. We out there on
Speaker 1: my time, you know, and I'll make it and I'll
Speaker 1: make it work, you know when DS be done and
Speaker 1: allowed me to continuity to restad you know. So wow,
Speaker 1: So you don't have the you don't you're not funded
Speaker 1: at all in the cure, in the crisis management system
Speaker 1: or any of that. Oh wow. And that's and I
Speaker 1: think that's what the issue is for me, is just
Speaker 1: understanding that the brothers like you to have a story
Speaker 1: that is relatable, that the young brothers in our community
Speaker 1: will be able to relate to, and you can change
Speaker 1: them and redirect them and you know, in a different direction.
Speaker 1: But yet our government and the organizations don't see the
Speaker 1: need and the necessity to fund people like yourself, but
Speaker 1: they want to spend that money to incarcerate our young kids,
Speaker 1: right you know. So I think the preventatives, the preventative messages,
Speaker 1: I mean, methods are the things that we need to
Speaker 1: focus on. You know, Brothers like yourself need to be funded. Man.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say we commend you for
Speaker 1: the work that you're doing. We commend you just being alive.
Speaker 1: You know, wait, tell us what Wheelchairs against Guns actually does?
Speaker 1: And then also how can people directly support you? What
Speaker 1: does will? What does Wheelchairs Against Guns do? Our so
Speaker 1: purpose is to protect children from the dams of bullying,
Speaker 1: games and don mines. You know, like I'm not a
Speaker 1: children on the site, but I'm really heavy schools. That's
Speaker 1: my main I stick with the school. We've done over
Speaker 1: two hundred schools. You know, we just spoke to over
Speaker 1: two thousand students. I've been going going in the school
Speaker 1: since since the acception of Whack, which was two thousand
Speaker 1: and fourteen. And given everything, I can't it's counting schools.
Speaker 1: We get it too, countless chids whose last chance. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't started a company and non medical transportation company. When
Speaker 1: my company we transport la people assessed right, you know,
Speaker 1: assess Brian uh Term and all those states. So I
Speaker 1: have cars on the street that transport these people. When
Speaker 1: I started this company, it for the sole purpose to
Speaker 1: fund my organization. If I don't know how to ask,
Speaker 1: you know, so you for me in touch for anybody
Speaker 1: that you know directly the acts part it would be
Speaker 1: a huge you know, huge beneficial to How can we
Speaker 1: support you directly? I mean, you know, we got a
Speaker 1: website will just gets Guns at All. You can go
Speaker 1: on there and you can make a contribution you need,
Speaker 1: you can, don't They did and find out the programming
Speaker 1: will be doing with a problem. Everything great at guns.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you man for the brother.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man. The work you're doing. This phenomenal
Speaker 1: and your story is so real and raw and you know,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times that's what these kids need
Speaker 1: and that's what they respect. They respect the rawness. They
Speaker 1: understand authenticity. You can't trick these kids. You can't make
Speaker 1: believe that you've done saying that you ain't you know.
Speaker 1: They know how to smell it on you. If it
Speaker 1: ain't know you, they know what ain't know on you.
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you coming from that perspective. Brother, Continue
Speaker 1: to do the world and listen to Hey, you say
Speaker 1: that you actually have a transportation company and that that's
Speaker 1: how you fund your work. Is so important because a
Speaker 1: lot of people look at us and think that I
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess they think money just drops off
Speaker 1: the skies or that folks just just just donate and invest,
Speaker 1: you know, millions of dollars. That's not our situation. There
Speaker 1: are some people who have that, but unfortunately until freedom
Speaker 1: does not. And therefore each one of us, of the
Speaker 1: four co chairs of our organization, Angelo Pinto, is an attorney.
Speaker 1: He actually does his work every day as a lawyer.
Speaker 1: Linda Sarsur, she does political work, she works on campaigns,
Speaker 1: she does consulting work. I also, aside from being a speaker, um,
Speaker 1: you know who is requested to do major speeches across
Speaker 1: the country, but I also have a consulting firm and
Speaker 1: I do real work working with corporations, working with agencies.
Speaker 1: And then my son is an artist. Um, he also
Speaker 1: is a consultant. And so we we understand. We appreciate you,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Canni any time this is it Like for me,
Speaker 1: this six episode series is like really important, and it's
Speaker 1: important for people like Kareem. No, we're not glorifying his story,
Speaker 1: but his story is a story that so many having
Speaker 1: if we can, the fact that God saved him from
Speaker 1: so many different things means that he's supposed to be
Speaker 1: here to tell somebody something. And I'm that's what I
Speaker 1: want to be a part of the reason why I
Speaker 1: think it's it's so important to have you on today,
Speaker 1: Man Baraka, and why my son and I really wanted
Speaker 1: to have you as a part of this six episode
Speaker 1: series that we're doing about gun violence is because you
Speaker 1: are approaching it exactly as um. You know, we support
Speaker 1: what we believe, and that is that you could put
Speaker 1: all the police you want in the streets, but if
Speaker 1: you don't invest in the people, uh, you would never
Speaker 1: be able to produce gun violence and to save lives.
Speaker 1: So we just wanted to hear from you today, to
Speaker 1: hear more about what you're doing. Yeah, we I mean
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, I'm honored to be on. First
Speaker 1: of all. Uh, I appreciate you having me on. You know,
Speaker 1: we just in the middle of of of of hard work.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of talk, a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff going on around the country. We are just really
Speaker 1: trying to lay one brick out of time and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard, as I was expressing earlier, you know,
Speaker 1: in an environment you know where we're trying to create
Speaker 1: opportunity for social justice, opportunities for people in our community
Speaker 1: and deal with gun violence. Uh, that's escalating uh, in
Speaker 1: our neighborhoods, you know. And one of the biggest critics
Speaker 1: of all of the things that you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: deal with in terms of trying to do this work
Speaker 1: are people that live in these neighborhoods, mothers, grandmothers, you know,
Speaker 1: folks that are raising kids in these communities, that are
Speaker 1: that are you know, experiencing hard high levels of violence.
Speaker 1: And just to put it in perspective, like eight and
Speaker 1: of the neighborhoods and Newark do not experience violent crime
Speaker 1: at all, Right, So that looks like that sounds like
Speaker 1: a good number. Uh. And and we got just from
Speaker 1: Rutgers when they did their study. But that means that
Speaker 1: of the community is experiencing of the violence, right. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so if you're in the eight percent, then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all good. But if you're in the of those neighborhoods, uh,
Speaker 1: then you have a real serious problem, a dramatic problem. Uh.
Speaker 1: And so we we have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: deal with both of those things, like how to create
Speaker 1: an atmosphere where we make the police respect our constitutional rights,
Speaker 1: where social justice is is at the forefront of everything
Speaker 1: that we do. Uh. And and and and reducing violence
Speaker 1: and crime. And so we think that public safety is
Speaker 1: not just the role of the police. Public safety is
Speaker 1: the role of all of us in this community. UH.
Speaker 1: And so we need to give give resources to other
Speaker 1: people in other areas where it's needed to help us
Speaker 1: reduce violence and crime and trauma UH that has been
Speaker 1: incurred in our community over decades. UH. And so the
Speaker 1: police can't deal with those issues. And so that speaks
Speaker 1: directly to the idea of removing some funding and moving
Speaker 1: in another places to help, uh, you know, stabilize the community.
Speaker 1: So if violence is down, the need for police is down.
Speaker 1: Over policing in those communities is down. And and and
Speaker 1: that's really how we're approaching it. Violence is a public
Speaker 1: health issue. We created an Office of Violence Prevention and
Speaker 1: Trauma Recovery. Keepha Uria is doing an outstanding job trying
Speaker 1: to put this together. And she's building it, you know,
Speaker 1: actually going you know, pulling community partners together, have a
Speaker 1: lot of consultants trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: this done, pulling all of the street organizations that do
Speaker 1: all of the violence intervention and prevention work together, everybody
Speaker 1: and UH, trying to get data UH and making sure
Speaker 1: that we UH tackle hot spots in areas, deal with trauma,
Speaker 1: dealing intervention and kids lives and helping families from domestic
Speaker 1: violence to shooting victims, uh, everything that they're involved in
Speaker 1: right now this summer, I think what Jamilla is talking about,
Speaker 1: we uh as a part of our youth development program,
Speaker 1: we hired and even some adults now over one hundred,
Speaker 1: maybe hundred and forty. I think folks who are directly
Speaker 1: involved with the legal with the legal system, uh, directly
Speaker 1: involved in terms of shootings or shooting victims. UH. We
Speaker 1: we created our own program. We paid them uh to
Speaker 1: go listen to speakers, to go to forums, to to
Speaker 1: deal with trauma, training, to to to face the issues
Speaker 1: they're dealing with in their lives, to prepare them uh
Speaker 1: to to stop the violence that they involved in the community,
Speaker 1: and help them get employment. And that's that's what we're
Speaker 1: working on uh this summer, amongst a myriad of other things.
Speaker 1: Because as a young kids, you're very impressionable. And I
Speaker 1: remember when I was, like I said all the time,
Speaker 1: my first vision of success wasn't a lawyer. I didn't
Speaker 1: live next to it to a lawyer. I lived next
Speaker 1: to it to a job deal. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like the drug deal he had the girl I
Speaker 1: wanted to call, wanting all the things I wanted was
Speaker 1: this was the person I've seen it. So look, the
Speaker 1: data tells us if you grow up in a household
Speaker 1: where your siblings or parents have been inconserrated, you're more
Speaker 1: likely to be in conserrated yourself. You grew up in
Speaker 1: a household where you've been a victim or perpetrator vviolence,
Speaker 1: you're more likely to be a victim perpetrator violence yourself.
Speaker 1: So we identify, we know who these kids are like.
Speaker 1: We can identify the social services system, know the law
Speaker 1: enforcement system, know the community, know it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: less than two three of the people in the community
Speaker 1: that's committing nine of the violence that's going on. So
Speaker 1: we know where they are, we know how to identify,
Speaker 1: and we know the atmosphere that's going to create them.
Speaker 1: So we have to intervene immediately. We know what's getting
Speaker 1: ready to go down, and to watch it happen almost
Speaker 1: makes us co conspirators in it. That's a fact that's
Speaker 1: deep makes us co conspirators. It's it's so true. So
Speaker 1: we have to invite you back as we continue to
Speaker 1: go through this series, UH, to have more dialogue about
Speaker 1: the steps that need to be taking because people will
Speaker 1: act like they don't know what to do. Well, you're
Speaker 1: a shining example of how to get it done. Thank you. Alright,
Speaker 1: So we just spoke to Mayor Ross Broca and he
Speaker 1: spoke to us about this person that we're about to
Speaker 1: interview right now. She is Lakisha Yuri. She is the
Speaker 1: executive director of Violence Prevention and Trauma Recovery in Noworth,
Speaker 1: New Jersey. She's does all the work because Ross rock
Speaker 1: the is the Mayor of New Ork and he has
Speaker 1: so much on his plate. She is the go to
Speaker 1: person for all everything violence prevention and intervention inside of
Speaker 1: New New Jersey. She had handled so much I've worked up.
Speaker 1: She is a phenomenal sister. Lakisha Jury, how are you
Speaker 1: doing today, Clean? I am good. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for having me on the show today. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Mabel Rocket was telling us that, um, the police and
Speaker 1: I guess in conjunction with your office and others, have
Speaker 1: identified those people who are crisis there any crisis, so they,
Speaker 1: you know, are folks who would have been identified as
Speaker 1: the troublemakers, the potential shooters, and you all are working
Speaker 1: with them. And I know you say the office that
Speaker 1: you have said that the office you're working on, Um,
Speaker 1: it's in progress, but this work is already happening. It's
Speaker 1: just that at some point you guys are gonna have
Speaker 1: a center which I hope will become a national model,
Speaker 1: even an international model for how you bring violence down
Speaker 1: and how you work directly with the community. But every
Speaker 1: day at this point, you're you're doing this work, working
Speaker 1: with these young people, trying to get them employed and
Speaker 1: to keep them off the streets and line, is that correct?
Speaker 1: That's correct. So what we find is the data says
Speaker 1: that four percent and sometimes even ten percent of the
Speaker 1: population experienced the most crime and violence, or the small
Speaker 1: amount of people are committing the most crime and violence.
Speaker 1: And so rather than coming up with this approach where
Speaker 1: we are blanket, you know, doing strategies, it's focused, determined, right,
Speaker 1: we go right directly to the people who are committing
Speaker 1: the priming violence and talking with them and seeing what
Speaker 1: is it that you need? Why are you robbing people,
Speaker 1: why are you shooting people? Why did you join the
Speaker 1: game that you're a part of, why are you, you know,
Speaker 1: stealing cars and just really trying to ask those questions
Speaker 1: and figure out what is it that we can do
Speaker 1: to get to the underlying portions of it. We have
Speaker 1: UM people, So the police do have a list, and
Speaker 1: they have a lot of intelligence around who people are,
Speaker 1: what's happening, and what they're doing, and their strategy is
Speaker 1: just to arrest them. That's the only strategy. But we're
Speaker 1: saying no, that that's not enough because we have this
Speaker 1: cycle of violence that continues to happen if we just
Speaker 1: keep arresting people UM because they're doing things from behind
Speaker 1: the wall, inside the wall, outside the wall, and so
Speaker 1: we want to find out what is going on. So
Speaker 1: we are UM implementing. So right now I have a
Speaker 1: summer program UM and we're gonna extend it beyond the
Speaker 1: summer UM and it's called Safe Summer Academy, where we
Speaker 1: went after and recruited those people that we know are
Speaker 1: creating the most crime and violence in the city and
Speaker 1: we employed them. So I currently have a hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty individuals UM fourteen to seventeen, eighteen to twenty four
Speaker 1: and then the twenty five and over UM groups. I
Speaker 1: have about four sights, and these are the people that
Speaker 1: we know are creating the crime and violence or have
Speaker 1: been victims of and we are trying to intervene so
Speaker 1: that they don't become the perpetrators of And many of
Speaker 1: them have mental health issues, subsist issues, have been incarcerated,
Speaker 1: have dropped out of school, and so we're very intentional
Speaker 1: about this population. And we recognize some of the issues,
Speaker 1: and we recognize trauma and so many of the staff
Speaker 1: of Trauma Informed Trains and so we know what it
Speaker 1: takes to be able to engage them. What is your
Speaker 1: skills set? So my skill set is is an organizer.
Speaker 1: Right I started on the grounds many years ago. Um
Speaker 1: I organized. I'm a chair for the North Anti Violence Covalition.
Speaker 1: But before that, right I was in the New Black
Speaker 1: Panther Party and before that, you know, so organizing people
Speaker 1: in the community has has been um my passion. But
Speaker 1: by trade and by education, I'm a social worker. I'm
Speaker 1: a licensed clinical social worker, have a master's degree in
Speaker 1: social work. But my heart and my passion is organizing people.
Speaker 1: And say it's say the work is not being done.
Speaker 1: I tell them that's not true, because we've got people
Speaker 1: who are on the front lines all the time. People
Speaker 1: no sleep because people don't understand what it takes to
Speaker 1: organize people. They don't understand that the phone calls have
Speaker 1: to happen, that we at the hospitals with people, we
Speaker 1: at the funerals with people, were organizing the funerals, we're doing,
Speaker 1: we're calling the mayors, and we're doing all of the things.
Speaker 1: Um that the behind the scenes that it takes to
Speaker 1: get in front of the cameras or to make the
Speaker 1: awareness happen. So when I first joined the North Anti
Speaker 1: Violence Coalition, the way that we brought attention to violence
Speaker 1: was by going into to the streets and stopping the traffic.
Speaker 1: And so we stop the traffic for a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five weeks in the rail rain sleeps no no
Speaker 1: matter the weather condition. To bring awareness to it for
Speaker 1: families who wasn't our own families, right, we have to
Speaker 1: push the police, and we're going from county to county
Speaker 1: and police department to police department, and those things take.
Speaker 1: It takes skill, it takes ingenuity, it takes energy, it
Speaker 1: takes sleep, it takes resources, It takes all of those
Speaker 1: things to be able to bring about change. And so
Speaker 1: I don't want people to dismiss the skills that it
Speaker 1: takes for those things to happen, but the energy and
Speaker 1: the passion because many of us this has been on
Speaker 1: our doorsteps and we're trying to stop it from landing
Speaker 1: on other people's doorsteps. We appreciate you so much and
Speaker 1: it feels good to be able to highlight your work
Speaker 1: because I know that you wear it on your sleeve. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know I have to be the one to
Speaker 1: say because I think it's important, and I think the
Speaker 1: mayor would say as well. With all that he's trying
Speaker 1: to do and the fact that he's folding a million directions.
Speaker 1: As my son said, um, you know when when we
Speaker 1: first bought you on uh, he has he has responsibilities
Speaker 1: that are beyond violence prevention and intervention. And to have
Speaker 1: a strong black woman sitting in this seat helping to
Speaker 1: coordinate and organize people, I know it makes the mayor
Speaker 1: proud as well. That's why he mentioned you during his interview.
Speaker 1: And we want to do whatever we can to support
Speaker 1: you and to make sure that you were able to
Speaker 1: keep the statima and the energy to keep going. And
Speaker 1: so thanks again, thanks for talking with us, and know
Speaker 1: that we are here the show is here, but we
Speaker 1: are also here personally to support you. But this is
Speaker 1: the lady. I've read her rio and she is amazing
Speaker 1: as well. Joining us today is Ms Tabell from the
Speaker 1: Trip of Project. She's also a grassroots organizer and who
Speaker 1: focuses on gun b She's been impacted family members, friends,
Speaker 1: and she utilized her pain and she also turned into purpose.
Speaker 1: So thank you to your Bill for joining us. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to again just say I'm grateful to to
Speaker 1: be on this platform and share my unique perspective. UM.
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that God designed my life to
Speaker 1: join this fight and really ending gun violence. And it's reaffirming,
Speaker 1: unfortunately that our deep wounds required deep, deep, deep killing. UM.
Speaker 1: The Trigger Project stands for true reasons. I grabbed the gun,
Speaker 1: evolved from risk, and as a survivor. I almost lost
Speaker 1: my mom when I was ten. She was shot twice
Speaker 1: in broad daylight. It wasn't a shock, you know, UM,
Speaker 1: I knew who had did it. UM. And there wasn't
Speaker 1: a Shan Duke to come to me and say, hey,
Speaker 1: let me get a full understanding of what you know
Speaker 1: that happened. Let me get you on the basketball or
Speaker 1: so you can release your feelings that me um support you,
Speaker 1: mentor you, so you can figure out what you're gonna eat,
Speaker 1: so you don't think you're burdening your mom who's healing,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have that. So just with the
Speaker 1: combination of losing friends, after I'm almost losing my mom,
Speaker 1: losing my stepdad, now losing young people, I realized that
Speaker 1: the voice of the shooter is missing. So when you
Speaker 1: say trigger project, you you you you embody the voice
Speaker 1: of the shooter because we all have a trigger finger,
Speaker 1: but no one's asking the question black or white? You know,
Speaker 1: wife just the best guys was just stick as my
Speaker 1: baby's like to say, was landing in the middle of
Speaker 1: the street. Why would some people be able to just
Speaker 1: walk past them? Likely nothing? And why would some people
Speaker 1: see it as a commodity, see it as a resource,
Speaker 1: see it as a language. You know, we we're criminalizing
Speaker 1: our culture and our music versus really getting to the
Speaker 1: source of our pain. And and that's what the Trigger
Speaker 1: Project is about. I do a lot of fundraising and
Speaker 1: and asking and and and presenting and proposing because my
Speaker 1: young people need beds, they need legos for their brothers
Speaker 1: and sisters. So they don't go rob somebody to get
Speaker 1: the money to do it. I'm competing with the streets.
Speaker 1: And so earlier you asked, is money a solution? Um,
Speaker 1: it absolutely is, because first, I think doing things that
Speaker 1: we do should receive uh compensation. You know, I work
Speaker 1: as a full time high school counselor. I'm often the summertimes.
Speaker 1: I go hard in the summer because I'm paid for
Speaker 1: my nine in the five and and I got free time,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm also the mother of a three
Speaker 1: year old and this work is NonStop. You know. Young
Speaker 1: people don't have boundaries. They're not supposed to, you know,
Speaker 1: they're asked the in requests are are substantial, and it
Speaker 1: may be from fixing a broken nail to doing a
Speaker 1: college application. But my time, my opportunity, and and and
Speaker 1: my don't sling my supervision, uh my team who also
Speaker 1: pours into these young people. That's the solution, um. And
Speaker 1: we need the government, we need city officials, we need
Speaker 1: philanthropists to really get on the side of thinking outside
Speaker 1: the box. Um, because it may look like intervening and
Speaker 1: stopping the police, but it also may look like just
Speaker 1: giving a young person a hundred dollars Because they just
Speaker 1: misplaced this ZIP and they gonna do something to get
Speaker 1: it back. And so I need Um, I needed this
Speaker 1: platform and I needed this opportunity because I do believe
Speaker 1: public health in our way through this is the solution.
Speaker 1: And um, I do believe that I am in addition
Speaker 1: to violence interruption into just this progressive transformation that all
Speaker 1: Black cities have made. Returning citizens are running the city.
Speaker 1: And UM, I do believe that I am in addition
Speaker 1: to violence interruption and to just the progressive transformation that
Speaker 1: all Black cities have made. Returning citizens are running the city,
Speaker 1: you know, um. And it's a beautiful thing and it
Speaker 1: shows that transformation is real. Tell that's how people can
Speaker 1: support the Trigger Project. I'm Ta Bell, Founder the Trigger Project,
Speaker 1: Jack to true reasons I grabbed the gun, evolved from risk,
Speaker 1: were the voice of the young inns and the shooter.
Speaker 1: And our website is www dot the Trigger Project dot org.
Speaker 1: We're on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter at the Trigger Project DC.
Speaker 1: And we do have a cashot because we're not that
Speaker 1: big yet. So it's dollar sign Trigger Project and you
Speaker 1: are donating to and supporting again the nourishment, the enrichment,
Speaker 1: UM just the betterment of the young people that I served.
Speaker 1: You know what, we really literally have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends that do a lot of grea things, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know sometimes we always say what we need
Speaker 1: to find people that we don't necessarily agree with on
Speaker 1: issues and make sure they are part of the show.
Speaker 1: But I do I always wanted to create a platform
Speaker 1: that gives voice to folks that people don't see often.
Speaker 1: And then you have Phil Banks who started out twenty
Speaker 1: nine well, for twenty nine years he worked within the NYPD,
Speaker 1: started out of course as a beat cop, then became
Speaker 1: a precinct commander, Borough commander, went to community affairs, which
Speaker 1: is where the beginning of our relationship is. Where he's
Speaker 1: now over the police officers who are in the community
Speaker 1: all the time, and was leading an effort and did
Speaker 1: a very good job of reshaping what community affairs look
Speaker 1: like in New York City and making sure that it
Speaker 1: was really really for the community. And then, of course
Speaker 1: before retiring, he became Chief of Departments UM, where he
Speaker 1: was literally, I guess I would say, second to the
Speaker 1: commissioner running New York City UM. And I got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go from community affairs to chief a department,
Speaker 1: so I understand the intricacies of the NYPD and policing
Speaker 1: across the country based upon my relationship with you, Phil,
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you for coming on with
Speaker 1: my son and me today. Um. You know the thing.
Speaker 1: The thing I laugh about though, is because you know,
Speaker 1: many times I would go and say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: the police are doing this, that and the third thing wrong,
Speaker 1: and He's like, who are you talking about Pookie? I
Speaker 1: know Pookie, like I was out there with Pooky needs
Speaker 1: to be arrested because Pooky is a danger to society.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, he needs services. Yeah, he might need
Speaker 1: all of that, but right now we need to get
Speaker 1: Pookie off the streets. Like, don't tell me about Pooky
Speaker 1: and Ray Ray. Because going through all of these steps
Speaker 1: from being a beat cop all the way to chief
Speaker 1: of departments, he knows the community. He lives in Queens,
Speaker 1: he has young kids, he has brothers who are in
Speaker 1: all different feels people and lives in He knows and
Speaker 1: understands the street life very well. Works with Erica Ford.
Speaker 1: So this is not so you can't really talk him,
Speaker 1: you know, into these corners, because he actually has things
Speaker 1: to say that you have to be able to address
Speaker 1: at the same time, but clearly he understands the need
Speaker 1: to put in the community. You understand the need feel
Speaker 1: to put in the community to resources that's necessary so
Speaker 1: that police are not in contact, um in the ways
Speaker 1: in which they are with individuals who need services and support. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know, I think you're bring up an interesting point.
Speaker 1: And I think that until we as a as a city,
Speaker 1: as a country, as a community, as a world come
Speaker 1: to the conclusion on both sides that police ain't one
Speaker 1: can no longer be just the responsiblity of law forcement
Speaker 1: because they can't get it right right. You know what
Speaker 1: you know and importantly most people don't know what they
Speaker 1: don't know right, so they just fill in the blanks right.
Speaker 1: And it's subsequently we have now, in my opinion, um,
Speaker 1: a dynamic with police reform and tough on crime. People
Speaker 1: think a mutually exclusive. When I say tough on crime,
Speaker 1: I mean I mean keeping a citizens safe, but you
Speaker 1: have to have peace reform. And in these cities we
Speaker 1: are policing the same way we've been policing for fifty
Speaker 1: and sixty years and it has to stop because it
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And our challenge that it never worked. It
Speaker 1: gave short time results, but I will challenge that has
Speaker 1: never had full time results. But that's an argument that
Speaker 1: a lot of people can make. But I do know
Speaker 1: vehemently and I will strongly is that we have to
Speaker 1: change the way we police these cities, and that change
Speaker 1: has to come from a combination of the law enforcement
Speaker 1: world who's willing to admit mistakes, willing to realize that
Speaker 1: they don't have all the answers, and then the advocacy
Speaker 1: where the activists commune like itself they realize that there's
Speaker 1: an aspect of this that you may not realize what
Speaker 1: you can bring to the table, and we can bring
Speaker 1: to the able together that we can totally change how
Speaker 1: we police. I actually don't see any other way that
Speaker 1: we can have any type of a fair, ineffable and
Speaker 1: safe results for for this for the country. So from
Speaker 1: your point of view, what do you think is the
Speaker 1: next step? What do you think really needs to be
Speaker 1: done to either to stop the violence and build stronger
Speaker 1: police and community together. So there's no there's no one
Speaker 1: answer to that. But the first thing is this is
Speaker 1: that you have to have a system. When I say
Speaker 1: you the community right to people and even internally because
Speaker 1: internally you have police services that not that that don't
Speaker 1: even trust the the concept of policing. You have to
Speaker 1: build that trust, and that trust is not designed to
Speaker 1: take people to basketball games, not to take seniors to
Speaker 1: UH shopping. There's got to be a real trust that
Speaker 1: government is working for other people and that policing is
Speaker 1: here to help my life better. Right, the litmus tests
Speaker 1: has got to be when the average person who is
Speaker 1: not communic a crime which is not inopercent of us,
Speaker 1: not are not point five center us, when they see
Speaker 1: a police services, they feel relieved, that they feel happy,
Speaker 1: and the police have to figure that out why why
Speaker 1: does that not happen? And I'm going to profess that
Speaker 1: they are a very simple solution that people are willing
Speaker 1: to stop and listen. It's not as complicated. Once you
Speaker 1: have that trust, then you have to be able to
Speaker 1: make these policies that are coming out that are beneficial
Speaker 1: for the community. So I'll give you a point in
Speaker 1: an example, when we in a police apartment come out
Speaker 1: with the strategy and let's just say it's gun strategy
Speaker 1: to apprehend guns off the street. There's no community involving
Speaker 1: it at all. We just we're coming up with just
Speaker 1: the data the people who wear uniformed and this is
Speaker 1: what we think that's going to happen. There's gonna reduced
Speaker 1: amount of gus's on the street, but there's no there's
Speaker 1: there's the religious community, there's no point in that, the
Speaker 1: active community does no point in that, the grandmother community
Speaker 1: does not no pint in that industry does no pot
Speaker 1: in that. And there's so much that we could receive
Speaker 1: from these individuals, from these entities that we can now
Speaker 1: come up with. They're very comprehensive, stronger strategy to being
Speaker 1: goes up the street where everybody's in the same boat,
Speaker 1: and everybody now is going to live and die with
Speaker 1: those results. And we don't do that because we have
Speaker 1: been brought up in a system that we know what's
Speaker 1: best for you. So sit back and that mindset has
Speaker 1: got to has got to change. Immediately when you became
Speaker 1: chief of departments, things changed because you was really the
Speaker 1: big fish, like you were running the police department. Um
Speaker 1: and I see the work that happened, and I know
Speaker 1: the direction that you were taking the NYPD, and I
Speaker 1: think it was unfortunate that you were not And I
Speaker 1: know this is not your words, as mind I think
Speaker 1: it was unfortunate that you were not UM appointed to
Speaker 1: be commissioner. I think you would have done an incredible
Speaker 1: job at commission. I still think that you should be
Speaker 1: drafted for the commissioner job under the new mayor. But
Speaker 1: I appreciated when you were within the Community Affairs Department.
Speaker 1: When you ran that department, I saw and learned so
Speaker 1: much about what the NYPD could be UM, And so
Speaker 1: I hope that you know. And now I'm being honest
Speaker 1: with you. While I think that you know, those individuals
Speaker 1: who are there now do I think that they're trying
Speaker 1: to do a good job, certainly, but it's not the
Speaker 1: same aggressive, bold work that I saw happening when you
Speaker 1: were in that position. So sometimes we rise in the ranks,
Speaker 1: and it's good that we make it to other successful places,
Speaker 1: but sometimes the work that we were doing before we
Speaker 1: got to this, you know, high profile, high calling UM
Speaker 1: was actually more effective. So that's just my personal opinion. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, PP three, Chief Phillip Banks, thanks
Speaker 1: for being with Thanks for having me. Thank you. That's
Speaker 1: how you have dupe friends man his brother right here,
Speaker 1: somebody who I've watched throughout two years. You know, somebody
Speaker 1: that I've modeled, and you know, I've been mired from
Speaker 1: Afar and then became really close with him just watching
Speaker 1: him do his coming home from prison, you know, coming
Speaker 1: home from prison and understanding his purpose, you know, and
Speaker 1: directing from the street life and changing his whole trajectory
Speaker 1: making movies and making documentaries. This amazing workman, family man man.
Speaker 1: He was. He was doing any of the first person
Speaker 1: you see the interviews with Do rags On, like he
Speaker 1: made it cool from the beef, from the hood and
Speaker 1: just transition and not making it look corny. You don'tunderstand
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I just want to say, welcome to
Speaker 1: your brother saying some styles he has. He has a
Speaker 1: documentary or what is it, a documentary called Killer the Beef. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah, I appreciate you all. Um, we all
Speaker 1: in this together for sure. Um. The documentary is called
Speaker 1: killing Beef. Come balancing the Black community. That's right. So
Speaker 1: what what is killing the Beef about? Killing beef? It's
Speaker 1: about Um, it's a double on time. So we know beef.
Speaker 1: Killing beef can be somebody taking somebody head off, which
Speaker 1: is killing beef, and it could be you know, a
Speaker 1: resolution resolved in the beef, which is, you know, kill
Speaker 1: that beef, squash it, debt it right. So I used that, um,
Speaker 1: because that's what I did in that documentary. I killed
Speaker 1: the beef for one of the guys that shot me
Speaker 1: up in eight eight I got shot five times by
Speaker 1: two two cats, and um when one of the cats,
Speaker 1: he had came home from prison. When he came home,
Speaker 1: instead of us continuing the beef, you know, we wind
Speaker 1: up getting together and talking to these youth and shaming
Speaker 1: our story and UM, youth that was in detention centers,
Speaker 1: alternatives and conservation programs in schools, and the way we
Speaker 1: did it, it was done in such a way that
Speaker 1: was so unpactful. UM. I said, yeah, I gotta start
Speaker 1: recording this. I gotta start recording these sessions and make
Speaker 1: something out of it because people are not gonna believe it.
Speaker 1: This type of stuff don't usually happen. So we put
Speaker 1: the doct together and it's been like very successful. People
Speaker 1: that watch it. You know, it's been positive response, no
Speaker 1: negative response whatsoever. I mean not one negative comments saying
Speaker 1: any anything bad about it. So this person shot you
Speaker 1: and then you guys got together, How did you find him?
Speaker 1: And what was that like this is like common what
Speaker 1: happens in the hood, right, Um, this is in the
Speaker 1: eighties when I used to you know, I used to
Speaker 1: rob drug dealers. I to stick up drug dealers and
Speaker 1: you know I used to, Um, I used to be
Speaker 1: one of those active shooters in the neighborhood. So what
Speaker 1: happened is I robbed somebody for their stuff. Um, you
Speaker 1: know I had robbed this stool, stuck him up, tied
Speaker 1: them up and stuff, and took everything that was in
Speaker 1: a safe and its jury. So I thought it was his,
Speaker 1: but come to find out and belong to this other
Speaker 1: He made me think it was his, and like he's
Speaker 1: bawling like that. So I got him, but it belonged
Speaker 1: to another guy. The guy that it belonged to grew
Speaker 1: up and my and my family's building, so to the
Speaker 1: point that one of his nephews is named after my uncle.
Speaker 1: So back in the streets, I guess, you know, in
Speaker 1: those days, it doesn't matter. So when he rolled up
Speaker 1: on me about the situation and with his guns out,
Speaker 1: it was, I mean with his gun out. It was
Speaker 1: on the fourth of July when he rolled up on me.
Speaker 1: You know, I tried to convince him to go around
Speaker 1: the corner because there's too many kids outside. The fourth
Speaker 1: of July was a cookout, so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: action and stuff going on. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go around the corner until and one thing left
Speaker 1: to another. I want to give too much away because
Speaker 1: I even have this in the film, but but what
Speaker 1: happened is, um, the guy that I also robbed was
Speaker 1: with him that I didn't see. So now I had
Speaker 1: two guns pointed at me, and um, you know, the
Speaker 1: endless alt was I wind up getting shot up. So
Speaker 1: the guy that came behind me, I knew who he was,
Speaker 1: but the people in the area didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: And and and you know, my family members didn't know,
Speaker 1: so he he didn't get in any trouble for it. Smoke. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's the guy who shot me up. He I mean
Speaker 1: one of the guys, the one that lived in my
Speaker 1: grandmother's building. Everybody around the neighborhood knew who he was,
Speaker 1: so that was that was dumb, you know on his part,
Speaker 1: to let that the bullets fly, amount the kids, kids jumping,
Speaker 1: you know, people was pistol off. My family no him,
Speaker 1: they thought I wasn't gonna make it so you know,
Speaker 1: they testified on a lot of the people in the
Speaker 1: neighborhood testified on, so I didn't. And you know, he
Speaker 1: thought that he would be able to beat the trial
Speaker 1: because I wasn't coming to court. But they used the
Speaker 1: testimony of other witnesses and then my hospital report, and
Speaker 1: you know, he still got convicted. So when he came
Speaker 1: home him, Uh, by the time he came home, I
Speaker 1: was at b T and I'm doing I'm doing great stuff.
Speaker 1: Now my life changed totally around. And then I got
Speaker 1: the message my aunt had um text me and said,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's out of jail. So then I
Speaker 1: started running a little bit because I said, man, I
Speaker 1: want to get pulled back in, you know, to this
Speaker 1: to this type of life. So I asked my aunt
Speaker 1: do she knows where he's staying at? And that was
Speaker 1: just for me to know in case something happened to
Speaker 1: you know, to if if he was gonna come looking
Speaker 1: for me, then I would be pulled into the game
Speaker 1: right all over again while I'm doing this great work
Speaker 1: already at b T. That that was that thin line
Speaker 1: between the streets and where I was at now being legal.
Speaker 1: So um, I had his one and his boys reached
Speaker 1: out to me because he didn't want to see nothing
Speaker 1: happened to me, and he didn't want to see nothing
Speaker 1: happen to him. So he reached out to me and said, Yo,
Speaker 1: what you talk to do You would you mind sitting
Speaker 1: down and talking to him? And I said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: talked to him, you know, gave him my numbers to
Speaker 1: tell him to call me. So when he called me,
Speaker 1: you know, we spoke for a couple of hours on
Speaker 1: the phone. At first conversation. We spoke for a couple
Speaker 1: of hours about the incident, about what was wrong about
Speaker 1: the incident, um about how the young ones are coming
Speaker 1: up now, and and and and what he was doing
Speaker 1: in prison as far as he was facilitating talking to
Speaker 1: the young to try to you know, the young people
Speaker 1: coming to prison, to try to deter them from going
Speaker 1: back to that way of life from what I was
Speaker 1: doing on the outside. So it was a perfect match
Speaker 1: for me to invite him because I was talking he's
Speaker 1: speaking to you that detention centers and stuff, just being
Speaker 1: on BT and them knowing where I came from, They
Speaker 1: was listening to me, They was relating to me. So
Speaker 1: I said, I might as well bring him on with
Speaker 1: me to tell I was story and at the same time,
Speaker 1: we could become valuable to each other so we don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about killing each other. If I'm valuable
Speaker 1: to you and I'm bringing you around and you know
Speaker 1: I'm helping you, and our main focus is to help
Speaker 1: these young people be on the right track and we
Speaker 1: on that same page, then we could do this together.
Speaker 1: This is about gun violence and all of the you know,
Speaker 1: the violence is going on our community. I want you
Speaker 1: to give us like a final word that you would
Speaker 1: say to these young kids that out here shooting, Like
Speaker 1: what what do you tell them? You know, being a
Speaker 1: victim also being a shooter, just understanding both dynamics of
Speaker 1: what's going on, just seeing what's going on these streets
Speaker 1: right now? What would you say to them? Like you,
Speaker 1: if you had to say what you say right now,
Speaker 1: right now, I would tell to you that are pulling
Speaker 1: those triggers, to know your history, man, to understand why
Speaker 1: if you act in the way that you do, because
Speaker 1: the more you understand, the less likely you are to
Speaker 1: put up that trigger. And to know that this isn't
Speaker 1: because your animals, or that you will raised a certain
Speaker 1: way and or that you had bad parents, and although
Speaker 1: some of that may play a part, but the main
Speaker 1: thing is that it's the socio economic conditions that we're
Speaker 1: in that causes us to happen. And before black people
Speaker 1: started occupying these spaces, they would immigrant white people that
Speaker 1: would occupying their spaces, and they had the same exact
Speaker 1: problem that we have today. They had a violence, white
Speaker 1: on white violence, which wasn't stated white on white violence,
Speaker 1: but they had the same thing going on. And what
Speaker 1: happened the government came in, They gave them the gr loans,
Speaker 1: they helped subsidize they moved from the urban areas into
Speaker 1: the suburbs, and then had them um get homes, affordable
Speaker 1: homes which later increased in value. And that's what ceased
Speaker 1: that white on white violence. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: know that that's what we're fighting for, Stance, and we
Speaker 1: appreciate at you so much for coming on and we
Speaker 1: want to support you. Tell everybody again the name of
Speaker 1: your film and also where they can find it. Thank you. Um.
Speaker 1: The documentary is Killing Beef Gunfoalance in the Black community.
Speaker 1: You can see it on two B t V. You
Speaker 1: can see it on Amazon, you can see it on
Speaker 1: Apple TV. Xbox fandango. Um, it's it's all low you'll
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, absolutely, thank you. We love you. App
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