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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, will discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical debt and so

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Speaker 3: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. What happens

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Speaker 3: when a little girl who can see deceased people grows

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Speaker 3: up and has a near death experience. Let's dive right

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Speaker 3: in and meet the incredible doctor Mary Helen Hensley.

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Speaker 1: I was the youngest of four children. My father was

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Speaker 1: a Christian minister. My very best friend when I was

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Speaker 1: a young child was my grandfather, doctor Garland Clark. He

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Speaker 1: was my mother's father from Kentucky. He was a surgeon.

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Speaker 1: He was my favorite person in the world. We spoke

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Speaker 1: all the time, He read me stories, he took me places,

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Speaker 1: He did so much. He was my closest companion. The

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Speaker 1: only interesting catch was that Judge died when I was one,

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Speaker 1: and my parents, my father in particular, was just going

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Speaker 1: crazy because I would come in and I would talk

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Speaker 1: about what Judge that was our nickname for him, what

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Speaker 1: Judge and I had just done, What Judge had just

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Speaker 1: told me. And there were things that as a four

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Speaker 1: year old, I was telling my parents that there's no

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Speaker 1: way I could have known unless Judge had actually told

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Speaker 1: me himself. So now my father's beginning to realize, oh,

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Speaker 1: so she sees dead people. Little me runs into the

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Speaker 1: room and I said, you know, mister Jones up the road,

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Speaker 1: it's going to die next Tuesday. And mister Jones did

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Speaker 1: die next Tuesday. My father would have lost someone from

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Speaker 1: his circle of friends or from his congregation, and he

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Speaker 1: would need to write a eulogy and I'd help him

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Speaker 1: because I was talking to the deceased person. So we

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Speaker 1: had a lot of that going on. But it was

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Speaker 1: funny because it was always kept very quiet. One of

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Speaker 1: my first real memories of an out of body experience,

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Speaker 1: I had had them earlier on, and you know, they

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Speaker 1: didn't have a name, so I didn't know what I

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Speaker 1: was doing. I was just flying around. I remember being

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Speaker 1: out and the perspective is very different because you're turning

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Speaker 1: back and looking at your but the only view you've

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Speaker 1: ever had of you is what you've seen on a

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Speaker 1: camera or what you've looked at in the mirror. And

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Speaker 1: mortal coil and you're looking back at yourself, You're like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is so weird. It was interesting because the very

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Speaker 1: first time that I actually started traveling outside of the

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Speaker 1: body was with my grandfather Judge. He would introduce me

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Speaker 1: blood to me. Was he a hologram? Was he some

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Speaker 1: All I know is that as a child he looked real,

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Speaker 1: and watch the body die, which one. So I took

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Speaker 1: And this is why I do so much work with frequency,

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Speaker 1: music and light transpire. I hear this drone, It's says,

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Speaker 1: I have since discovered that that low frequency, and remember

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Speaker 1: And I didn't like the idea of what I'd listened

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Speaker 3: back exactly where we left off. You're listening to Shades

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Speaker 3: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast

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Speaker 3: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain, and this is the incredible near death

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Speaker 3: experience of doctor Mary Helen Hensley. Last she was t

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Speaker 3: Here's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Next, Well, next thing, all of a sudden, the sound

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Speaker 1: I call it the music of the spheares, this symphony

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Speaker 1: So whosh. This is where I think other people who've

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Speaker 1: Everybody has guides there with you from the dawn of

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Speaker 1: we can get low and that we are alone. You're

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Speaker 1: They're always there to love and guide and support you.

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Speaker 1: So these were my two who knew me the real me,

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Speaker 1: Because it is a bit of a shock when you're

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Speaker 1: coming out of the earthly realm because it's dense here, y'all.

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Speaker 1: It is dark, and that's how this realm is set up.

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Speaker 1: Earth is this dichotomy of darkness and light. This is

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Speaker 1: unusual schoolhouse. This realm is set up to provide experiences

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Speaker 1: That's what people have missed. That's probably one of the

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Speaker 1: So you arrive into this space and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: It's ear. I am watching my life unfold, and this

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Speaker 1: These are all experienceperiences. And when you sit in a

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Speaker 1: I'm fifty four years old now. I have been telling

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Speaker 1: So over thirty something years, I'm telling the story, and

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Speaker 1: and there was a lot of it. I had this

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Speaker 1: I needed to get back in here. Because with every

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Speaker 1: could know this. And it was that moment where you

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Speaker 1: could hear a pendra because he was realizing something and

432
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Speaker 1: I was realizing something at the same time. I just

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Speaker 1: sat there with my mouth hanging open. I had no

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Speaker 1: other words. And he's backing out of the room, going

435
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Speaker 1: what is actually happening right now? Because he was the

436
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Speaker 1: one who saw the dead body, he was the one

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Speaker 1: who called the ambulance. I have now awakened and told

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Speaker 1: him everything from a bird's eye view that there's no

439
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: way I could have seen. So you find yourself having

440
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: to completely reinvent your version of reality. Everything that you

441
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: thought to be true isn't. It's actually so much better now.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, time does not exist the way that

443
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Speaker 1: we think that it does. People have multiple timeline. There's

444
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Speaker 1: this happening simultaneously. Oh my gosh. So I'm starting to

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Speaker 1: reinvent and take in all this new information and had

446
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Speaker 1: to come back into a three D physical form and

447
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Speaker 1: live it. Talk about a challenge, because you're so in

448
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Speaker 1: awe and you're so excited. Do you realize what we

449
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Speaker 1: got here?

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Speaker 3: That story just gave me goosebumps? No, I don't think

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Speaker 3: we realize what we've got here, but we're going to

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Speaker 3: find out more of what we do have. We'll be

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Speaker 3: right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on

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Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome

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Speaker 3: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlaine. You're

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Speaker 3: listening to the near death experience of doctor Mary Helen

457
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Speaker 3: Hensley and she just freaked out the police officer that

458
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Speaker 3: she experienced everything on that scene from a bird's eye view.

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Speaker 3: Let's continue.

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Speaker 1: Do you realize what we've got here? And you're walking

461
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Speaker 1: around and you see these people and they're so sad,

462
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Speaker 1: and they're so miserable, and they're so heartbroken and they're

463
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: grief stricken and they're worried about the electricity bill and

464
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Speaker 1: they don't know how to feed the child. And it's

465
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Speaker 1: like there's so much pain and angst around and I'm like, no, no,

466
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Speaker 1: you don't understand. That's not your soul. Your soul who

467
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: you actually are, puts you in and custom ordered that experience,

468
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 1: that pain, that heartbreak, that disease, that whatever it is,

469
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: so that you could gather some little piece of information

470
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Speaker 1: that you needed. Because this is only one of multiple

471
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: experiences of you. And this is why when we're mean

472
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: to each other, those eight billions and other versions of

473
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: you that are walking around on this planet, you're just

474
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: dissing yourself. If you let yourself down by being cruel

475
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: or harsh or awful to somebody else, you're just projecting

476
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: that onto some other version of you. And this answers

477
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Speaker 1: that question of how is God in all places at once,

478
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: because we're fractals of the same hole. When my grandfather

479
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Speaker 1: appeared to me, this apparition appears in front of me

480
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Speaker 1: and is giving me information about something that's going to

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Speaker 1: happen in my perceived future. Imagine, now you're twenty two

482
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: years old, you've been dead, you come back, and you've

483
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: got to go integrate into the world again. My dead

484
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: grandfather pops up and he says to me, Hey, we're

485
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Speaker 1: sending you to chiropractic school. And I was like, uh uh,

486
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: I had just graduated from college. I was not going

487
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: back to school. But he said, we're sending you back

488
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Speaker 1: to school because you need to understand life. I'm a

489
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: vitalistic philosophy and I'm like, I don't even know what

490
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: that means. You have just experienced the interaction of the mind,

491
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: the body, in the spirit, and you have just learned

492
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: firsthand that one does not exist without the other. Okay, well,

493
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: you're going to be teaching people and working with people

494
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: as they start to unravel and learn this as well.

495
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: So you're going to go and you're going to get

496
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: an education about how the mind and the body and

497
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: the spirit cannot be separated in order to have a

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Speaker 1: complete human experience. This body is here to serve you,

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Speaker 1: and you don't forget that your body is perfectly capable

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Speaker 1: of serving your soul's purpose. So I'm going through and

501
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm now interacting with people differently, and suddenly I realize

502
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: that this extra little gift that they were talking about

503
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: was I now had the capacity to touch someone initially.

504
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Now I don't have to do it. It's an energy

505
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: exchange and download their hard drive. And so someone can

506
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: be suffering with something, whether it's physical or emotional, in

507
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: this timeline, which has actually taken place in some other

508
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: version of themselves, be it a past projection of future projection,

509
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: but something that has taken them at a present time.

510
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: And the most important thing to remember is that's just

511
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: a chemical reaction. Right now, Right here, me, sitting here

512
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: talking to you is my present time. And so the

513
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: only way I can conjure trauma or fear about something

514
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: that has already taken place is through a chemical reaction

515
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: in my brain. The saying goes for fear and projection

516
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: into the future. Oh my god, what if this doesn't happen,

517
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: What if I don't get this? What if this happens.

518
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: It's a chemical reaction. The only thing that is real

519
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: in your creation is right now, and you, the creator,

520
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: are constantly creating. You're taking in the stimulus that's all

521
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: around you, and conjuring these outcomes, these experiences in order

522
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: to further your own growth. And it's been mind blowing

523
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: and it's been amazing, and it's been, oh my gosh,

524
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: exhausting sometimes when you're the only cat in the room

525
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: who knows and you're trying to explain something that someone

526
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: has never felt or seen or heard before. But I

527
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: can tell you what. I'm going to go to my

528
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: grave trying shouting from the rooftops to tell people you

529
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: already are that which you seek, and you absolutely can't

530
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: mess up here. You cannot mess this thing up. I

531
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Speaker 1: spoke in the beginning about how my father was the

532
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Speaker 1: big Burley American football player, and he was a minister,

533
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Speaker 1: and he spent his entire career explaining to people about

534
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: the wonders of heaven and God. And he never talked

535
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Speaker 1: about the fire and brimstone. He wasn't that kind of preacher.

536
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: He never preached hell. He always chose to focus on

537
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: your potential and what he expected you to move towards,

538
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: as opposed to what was going to happen if he

539
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: screwed up. And so people really always enjoyed listening to him.

540
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: But as my father went from dementia and transitioned into Alzheimer's,

541
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: biggest thing he was challenged with was this horrid fear

542
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: of death. And I thought, how curious this guy spent

543
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: his entire life standing in poolpits, working on the football pitch,

544
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 1: working with people to try and alleviate their fear of

545
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: death by preaching what he felt was the one way

546
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Speaker 1: ticket to salvation, which, by the way, guys, there's no

547
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: such thing as one way, so many people will go.

548
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: She never said anything about Jesus. Well, you know what,

549
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: I was raised with Jesus. But Jesus, like everything else,

550
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: is a consciousness. It's a state of being. It's an evolution,

551
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: so is the Buddha energies. In the history of this realm,

552
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: there have been many Messiah figures who have come through

553
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: here to bring people into a state of evolution and consciousness,

554
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: and I believe it resides within all of us. Here's

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Speaker 1: why this story is important. My father, the Christian minister

556
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: who has believed in this concept of heaven and hell

557
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: and taught based on the spiritual scriptures that support this.

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00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: He's in his room at the nursing home, and he'd

559
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: had a particularly tough day, and he was shuffling around

560
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: and he had Sundowner syndrome, which means this very gentle,

561
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: giant and peace loving man would get violent and he

562
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: would have these waves of horrible emotion he couldn't express.

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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: He was a beautiful orator, he was such a fabulous

564
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: public speaker, and he'd lost his ability to speak, so

565
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: all he could do was babble. And so there was

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Speaker 1: this one day that he'd had a really, really tough time,

567
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: and my mother and I were in the nursing home.

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00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: We were watching him and he was shuffling back and forth.

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Speaker 1: It had been months since he had said a coherent word,

570
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: and he lays down in the bed. He starts reaching up.

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00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: He's reaching for the ceiling, and she's looking at me like,

572
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: is he getting ready to die? What's going on. One

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Speaker 1: of the interesting things that I can see is what

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: the energy field around an individual looks like. Everything has

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00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: a field. When someone is getting ready to pass out

576
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: of the physical form, it looks like fireworks. It's not

577
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: like you'd think like a dimmer switch and the lights

578
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: are going down. It's quite the opposite. Everything's like exploding

579
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: around them as the energy is gearing up to exit

580
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: the body. It's gorgeous to look at. And I'm looking

581
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: at my dad and I'm like, no, Mom, there's no fireworks.

582
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: Nothing's happening around him. So he's in the bed and

583
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: he's smiling, he's beaming, and he's reaching up and he says,

584
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Speaker 1: as clear as I'm talking to you right now, I

585
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: can see it. I can see it. My mom's looking

586
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: at me. Your eyes are like saucers. And I'm like, Dad,

587
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, because we haven't had a coherent word out

588
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: of him in months. And he said, hey, sugar, and

589
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: I said what's going on? And he said, I can

590
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: see it the land beyond the river. I ended up

591
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: naming a book that because I just thought that was

592
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: just so phenomenal. He was like, it's so beautiful here.

593
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: And then he goes, I can see mama. She looks

594
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: so young, and so he's relaying this experience of seeing

595
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: his own mother and he is just marveling in her

596
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: beauty and her youthfulness. And then he stops and the

597
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: man looks like a deer in headlights, and he goes, oh,

598
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: my gosh, daddy's here. My father's greatest fear was that

599
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: his father, who, by my dad's very strict Christian standards,

600
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: did not cut the mustard. My father had worried his

601
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: entire life about the soul of his own father. He

602
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: thought he took the downward escalator rather than the up.

603
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: So the experiences that he had had in his life

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Speaker 1: that my father did not deem honorable or being a

605
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: good father or being a good person. Even my father

606
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: had convinced himself that his dad didn't make it. So

607
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, in this beautiful s he's

608
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: looking at not only his mother but at his father,

609
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: and he's laughing and tears are just pouring down his face.

610
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: He looks over at my mom and he's reaching out

611
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: to her, and he goes, Helen, I've had it wrong

612
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: all along. Everybody's welcome here. You can't mess this thing up.

613
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: And you want to talk about a mic drop moment

614
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: in my life, she who's been dead and come back.

615
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: It was right there witnessing this man who thought and

616
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: fell for and lived through the illusion of the separation

617
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: created by a heaven and a hell that the good

618
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: people get to go and the bad people don't, And like,

619
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: who gets to determine where that cut off? Line is

620
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: it all just fell away. And in that moment, my

621
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: father was free, and he got to see that everything

622
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: that he had known, and everything that he had loved,

623
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: and everything that he had hoped for, it was there

624
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: in the land beyond the river, and it was available

625
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: to each and every one of us. You are here

626
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: to provide and be provided for experientially. You can't mess

627
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: this thing up. When I'm working with people in healing sessions,

628
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: and when I say to you that I can download

629
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: someone's hard drive and I can figure out why they've

630
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: got this particular disease or why their depression is setting in.

631
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: And when I'm pinpointing a time and a place, it

632
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: plays like a movie. In my head. It again looks

633
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: like a cinema screen. As I'm in and I'm watching

634
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling and I'm downloading and understanding, it's something

635
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: that i'm watching that is a real experience. That's the

636
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: same way that it works with you know, when you're

637
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: seeing an operation. So someone could be laying on my

638
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: healing table and we're in communication with their dead mother,

639
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: and the dead mother isn't physically in the room, but

640
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: the impression or the footprint and the information is in

641
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: the room and I'm able to read that, and so

642
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: they will appear if they have something valuable to contribute

643
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: to that person's life, something that might help get them

644
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Speaker 1: out of a space where they're stuck in a cycle

645
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: of grief, or a piece of information that's going to

646
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: help them move forward with their lives. It's never to

647
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: come back and go, oh, I'm missiataribly honeak. You know,

648
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Speaker 1: that's not how it works, and that's not real because

649
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: when you're out of the body, you're completely aware of

650
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: how all of this works. They're completely aware that they

651
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: were a character in your story and the only way

652
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: that you could have the experience that you had, whether

653
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: it be good, bad, or indifferent, was if they played

654
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: that role for you. So they're hardly going to sit

655
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: in some other realm and apologize for showing up for

656
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: something that you asked for or that you needed in

657
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: order to complete your experience here. And sometimes that's the message.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes that's the message. Wow, having compassion for people in

659
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: your life, even those that may have done you wrong.

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Speaker 3: Powerful words more inspiration from doctor Hensley. When we get back,

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Speaker 3: you're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: and Coast to Coast am Pironormal Podcast Network. Welcome back

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Speaker 3: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. To find

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Speaker 3: out more about doctor Hensley and her books, you can

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Speaker 3: visit her website, Mary Helenhensley dot com. Let's continue with

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Speaker 3: some more inspiring words.

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Speaker 1: I laugh because a lot of people will walk out

668
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: of my room their headshaking, going, well, that was not

669
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: what I expected. But one thing about me is that

670
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: I am not going to sit and tell somebody something

671
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: that they want to hear just to appease them or

672
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 1: to whatever. I want them to understand and to think

673
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: and to grow and to be in riched by that interaction.

674
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to do is give them a deeper

675
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: connection to their understanding of why they are here and

676
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: why some of the uncomfortable things are, the grief or

677
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: the pain that they're going through, why that's actually happening.

678
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: That's when you're helping someone to heal. It's whatever the

679
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: individual needs in order to move forward in their own story.

680
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: Most people do have mystical experiences, and it happens to

681
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people at night because it's the only

682
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: time that they can actually digest they're thinking, oh, dreams

683
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: are nothing. Dreams are just the brain just blowing off

684
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: information whatever, and they don't understand that they're actually going

685
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: to bed and having their mystical experiences. They might not

686
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: live in a world that allows them to digest the metaphysical,

687
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: so these things happen to them at night and they

688
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: come in the form of those dreams or those out

689
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: of body experiences. There. So we have to start rethinking

690
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: what we think we know, because a lot of the

691
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: information that we've been told about how the world works

692
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: is completely and utterly different than what's actually true. It's

693
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: really exciting to me right now as this kind of

694
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: knowledge begins to unfold and people start to wake up

695
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: and realize it. We're so much more than the old

696
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: meat suit. You're never alone. Ever you might think you are.

697
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: Your experience might take you into the bottom of the barrel.

698
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: And what you've got to realize is that's of your

699
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: own doing. And that nudge that you get, that feeling

700
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: that pulls you out of a state of hopelessness, that

701
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: little come on, you can do it when you don't

702
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: feel like getting up and putting one foot in front

703
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: of the other. That's the help you're getting from outside.

704
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: That can come in the form of somebody who's gone

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00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: on before you, that can come in the form of

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00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: a guide. There are so many different ways that you

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00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: can be influenced. It's just about practicing and listening. It's

708
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: available to each and every one of us. It's about

709
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: keeping that channel over and allowing yourself to hear. And

710
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: this is why clearing interference every single day is essential.

711
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: It's like the radio station could be playing that song

712
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: and it's traveling across the waves, no problem, but you

713
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: could be driving down a backcountry road with poor reception.

714
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that the tower's not sending the signal.

715
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: It means that your capacity to receive the signal is

716
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: altered because of your location. Well, your physical emotional state

717
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: of being can be altered as well, meaning that you

718
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: are not receiving the signals, and so it's essential that

719
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: people clean and clear. This is where frequency can come in,

720
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: so you know, like eight hundred and fifty two hertz,

721
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: it's like an internal GPS eight five ' two allows

722
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: you to connect to your higher self and guess who's

723
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: hanging out with your higher self any other higher selves

724
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: that are there to help assist you. You can sit

725
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: in a space and go, hey, I need to really

726
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: get myself back on track here and I need to

727
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: be able to hear this guidance. Do you know twenty

728
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: eight Hurtz resonates with human DNA. You're dealing with an illness.

729
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: You can sit in that frequency and altered this state

730
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: of your actual physical DNA. And so when someone starts

731
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: practicing with frequency, it is working with this technology where

732
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: you are taking someone and altering the state of the

733
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: brain wave, altering the state of the frequencies that are

734
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: going into the body. You're using it to clear to

735
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: ring out that full sponge so that you're starting the

736
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: day with a clean slate as opposed to carrying everything

737
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: from yesterday in because the more stuff you're carrying from yesterday,

738
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: the harder it is to hear the signal. So you

739
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: have the same capacity to heal and to connect with

740
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: that loving guidance as anybody else. People have to have

741
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: their own experiences, and they're unfolding in their own version

742
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and understanding, and they're growing at their own speed. I

743
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: get that, But part of sharing information with people is

744
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: giving them a different perspective and giving them another way

745
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: to be able to interact with the world that might

746
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: actually be more joyful or might be more productive in

747
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: their learning. Because while fear can be very useful, the

748
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: most common thing that happens here is people. They set

749
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: up camp there, They pitch a tent, start roasting marshmallows,

750
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, and they live in this fear. I always

751
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: say to people, it's important to give fear and anxiety

752
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: a voice, but never a vote. A lot of people

753
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: will stop me at that stage and go, why on earth,

754
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: if a soul is coming from this space of love

755
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: and light and perfection and awesomeness, why would you come

756
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: here for that? I say, it's simple. Why would you

757
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: pull out the monopoly board when your family or friends

758
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: come over, And why would you literally sit and pretend

759
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: to be a silver shoe or a dog and think

760
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: that you can actually buy a piece of property with

761
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: a five hundred dollars pink bill. Because it's fun and

762
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: it's immersive, and it's competitive, and it's something you enjoy

763
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: doing with the people that you love, and you learn

764
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: and you laugh life, and you grow and you get

765
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: mad and you're like, why am I mad? Those waterworks

766
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: aren't even real? He stole my property. He didn't really

767
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: steal your property. It's giving you the chance to work

768
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: through and express these emotions that are native to we

769
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: as human beings. And so ask anyone who's ever put

770
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: a quarter around their ankle and bungee jumped off a bridge,

771
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: why in the hell would you do that? And they're like,

772
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: because it's a rush, it's exhilarating, it's amazing, and it's

773
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: not something that a beautiful, omnipotent, eternal soul that's not

774
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: encompassing a physical body, that's not something they can do.

775
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: We crave these experiences. You might not remember this in

776
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: the physical you might not remember this with your regular

777
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: conscious mind, but that eternal, omnipotent soul that you really are,

778
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: who knows that nothing and no one can harm who

779
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: you really are. Yeah, you were like, bring it on.

780
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: I need to experience this in order to grow, to move,

781
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: and to evolve into the being that I want to be.

782
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: And sometimes experience is uncomfortable, sometimes the body gets sick.

783
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: But what people don't realize is these bodies, these programs,

784
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: these experiences that we have are here showing up for us.

785
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: So the body is perfectly calculated to let you know

786
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: when you're screwing up, to let you know when you're

787
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: off target, to let you know that your goal that

788
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: you've set for yourself is over here, and you have

789
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: veered off track. You're giving too much of your time

790
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: and attention away to somebody else, or something else, or

791
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: some stress or some worry. You need your undivided attention

792
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: right now. And if the only way you are going

793
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: to listen to yourself is for me to smack you

794
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: to bring all of your time and attention and energy

795
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: back to yourself, then how valuable is that. But we've

796
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: made that the enemy. And the reason we make that

797
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: the enemy or the uncomfortable experiences, is because we fear death.

798
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: And so the whole reason for my being, the whole

799
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: joy that I have in coming back into this world

800
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: and spending the last thirty three years telling people how

801
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: amazing it is to die, is because I want them

802
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: to live, and I want them to understand that all

803
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: this time and all this effort and all this terror

804
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: and all of this angst that they have about what

805
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: they fear in the unknown, they already are that which

806
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: they seek. One of the things I'm asked most often

807
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: is when people look at the state of the world

808
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: right now, and they're like, this is the worst time

809
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: in history. No, it's not. Every point in humanity has

810
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: had moments like these, and these are essential to the

811
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: human experience. And I want people to remember that because

812
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: when they're fearful of Oh my god, but what are

813
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: my children growing up into? Well, you know what, imagine

814
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: my mom who was born in nineteen twenty nine and

815
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: was a teenager moving into World War Two. Imagine what

816
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: she would have thought when she looked at the world.

817
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: They've just exploded a nuclear bomb. Nobody knows what's happening.

818
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's freaking out. Well, guess what. You go back in

819
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: history and there isn't going to be a time in

820
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: history where everything was all rosy. Here. It's just not

821
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: the way that this plane is set up. And you

822
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: need to try and remember that that you're here to

823
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: make the best of the experience that we're having. Now.

824
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: You are in a playground, a schoolhouse of immense opportunity

825
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: to improve and better yourself. And I'll remind you, you

826
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: know what, you want to keep it real. Call bs

827
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: on yourself when you hear yourself saying something doing something

828
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: that you know is not in alignment with who you

829
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: want to become and call yourself out. Don't wait for

830
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: somebody else to do it, change tact and do something different.

831
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: That's how we regain control when we feel completely helpless,

832
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: when we feel at a loss, when we feel like

833
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: the world is crumbling around us. So many people live

834
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: in that really sick cycle. And so what I encourage

835
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: you to do is to inject everything, infuse every moment

836
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: with gratitude. It really does work. I know it sounds trite,

837
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, oh, yeah, there's the gratitude again.

838
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: But when you stay in a place of gratitude, it

839
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: is so hard for you to get pulled into that negativity,

840
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: for you to get pulled into that darkness, because we're

841
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: surrounded by that. But like I said, you're not meant

842
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: to set up camp there. You're meant to go in,

843
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: experience it, visit it, and leave it again. But people

844
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: will hook onto and identify with something that feels low,

845
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: feels bad, feels horrible, and gives them a reason not

846
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: to show up. And so I think it's really really

847
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: important that you step into each moment with gratitude and

848
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: that you show up and it's not for everybody else.

849
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this just so everybody else can hear

850
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: what I have to say. I'm doing this because I

851
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: need to hear this. I'm telling my own story because

852
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: I need to hear what I'm saying. I need to

853
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: be reminded on a daily basis that I got to

854
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: temporaryly die so that I could step out and change

855
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: it up and come back in here and use everything

856
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: that is available to me in this experience to its max.

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Speaker 1: That's the story I'm sharing. So just go do it.

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Speaker 3: Just go do it, just go live it, and just

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Speaker 3: go experience it. It's all about the experiences. If you

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Speaker 3: like near death experiences, I want to offer you some

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Speaker 3: different sources. First of all, our friends at IMS dot

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Speaker 3: I've also found a gentleman named Anthony Shen spelled.

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Speaker 1: C h E n E.

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Speaker 3: He's got a YouTube channel, he's got a website Anthonyshen

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Speaker 3: a list of past shades of the afterlife episodes, so

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Speaker 3: you can go to the category near death experiences, deathbed visitations,

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