Speaker 1: Check it down man, now down man. It is Thursday,
Speaker 1: January six, two thousand two. Happy New Year, everybody, and
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, Week eight to the NFL,
Speaker 1: it is the Beating the book Megapod. Gil Alexander out today.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Palm, vice president of Operations for Circa
Speaker 1: and host of Odds On with them All Shaw on
Speaker 1: Visa Monday through Friday, two o'clock in the East, eleven
Speaker 1: am in the West. Joining me regular panelist Todd Wish
Speaker 1: of Good Morning Todd, Good morning, Mr Mikey, thank you,
Speaker 1: and first time guest, longtime listener to the Megapod. Mr
Speaker 1: Frank Schwab is our guest this week. Frank is the
Speaker 1: senior NFL writer for Yahoo Sports. They're betting analysts, a
Speaker 1: regular guest on on Odds On and the Nuts, and
Speaker 1: and from time to time on a numbers game with Gil,
Speaker 1: and one time NFL MVP voter. Good morning Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it in that once. Hey. Happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I've listened to all the best of Guil. I've listened
Speaker 1: to his show for years and it is an honor
Speaker 1: to be on here with you guys and chop it
Speaker 1: up for a Weekend. Okay, tell that story. What how
Speaker 1: how are you one time an m v P voter
Speaker 1: and no longer an m VP. That's interesting. This was,
Speaker 1: I mean it was. I can't even say it was
Speaker 1: back when I had hair, because that that would like
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. But I yeah, I got a shot
Speaker 1: one time in two thousand nine, UH voted for Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: He was the right call for m VP. Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: one instead. I'll die Toto Grave saying I made the
Speaker 1: right boat there. I got one shot because one of
Speaker 1: the it was a long story. One of the voters
Speaker 1: couldn't do it because the paper didn't allow it. But
Speaker 1: my paper is like, sure, go for it. It was
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. It was pretty awesome to be a part
Speaker 1: of that panel. Do you think, before we get into
Speaker 1: the format of the show, do you think, Frank, that
Speaker 1: hub Arkish will have his rights revoked after this year?
Speaker 1: I do, I honestly do. I don't know how that well.
Speaker 1: I've met him a couple of times, but it's just
Speaker 1: one of those things you can't come out and say
Speaker 1: I dislike this guy and I'm not gonna vote for
Speaker 1: him for m VP because of it. You just can't
Speaker 1: like it's it's that's not that's not the spirit of
Speaker 1: m VP. It's not I think that MVP should be
Speaker 1: about so well, you know that maybe there was a
Speaker 1: discussion somewhere in there about hey, Aaron Rodgers let his
Speaker 1: team down by missing a game and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You can't come out and say it's the biggest jerk
Speaker 1: in the NFL and I won't like, you just can't.
Speaker 1: It's so yeah, I think the I think the panel there,
Speaker 1: they at the Associated Press can have to look really
Speaker 1: really hard at that. I also find it incredulous that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has never heard of hub arc Is though. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers has rabbitters Man, he hears everything, he
Speaker 1: knows everybody like, yeah, he's he's definitely, but he's an
Speaker 1: absolute bum. I guess what what a great like old
Speaker 1: school like the insult with a guy, you're a bumb
Speaker 1: Oh he's played for the Dodgers, Like that's great. So,
Speaker 1: as we normally do, we start to show off with
Speaker 1: some survivor talk where it here it is the last
Speaker 1: week of the year started out with close to fort
Speaker 1: entrants and we are down to five. All five advanced
Speaker 1: from last week. Three of the five are eligible for
Speaker 1: the million dollar bonus because they still have one of
Speaker 1: last year's two Super Bowl teams available. Two of the
Speaker 1: entries have Kansas City available, one entry has Tampa Bay available.
Speaker 1: Now should they the three of them use it, and
Speaker 1: it's a great likelihood they'll all use those picks in
Speaker 1: Kansas City and Tampa Bay win. Let's just say all
Speaker 1: five win. They would split the six million five ways,
Speaker 1: one point two million each, and then those three would
Speaker 1: put the bonus state each get three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: three thousand. So the person sitting there with I think
Speaker 1: a scheduling advantage and survivor are those that have Kansas
Speaker 1: City available. Since it's the first game on Saturday. If
Speaker 1: they win with Kansas City, the worst they can do
Speaker 1: is win one point five three million, and I think
Speaker 1: on Sunday they could then take the other three selections.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Tampa Bay, Tennessee and Washington football team
Speaker 1: and make a three team money line parlay and hope
Speaker 1: to lose because if one of them loses, your the
Speaker 1: worst you did is just go from go up from
Speaker 1: one point to the one point five million. Thoughts on that, Todd, Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you were you were asking, Frank, I think
Speaker 1: obviously that that seems to be the way to how
Speaker 1: much can they win? What's the ratio on the three
Speaker 1: team money line parlay? Well, we'd have to we have
Speaker 1: to see what it what it would be. I mean
Speaker 1: right now, here's what I'm assuming. I'm assuming those three used.
Speaker 1: They use Kansas City, who's who's a ten point favorite
Speaker 1: ten and a half point favorite? And Tampa Bay who's
Speaker 1: this eight point favorite was a sixteen point favorite on
Speaker 1: the look Ahead. One of the two other Syracuse Hawkeyes
Speaker 1: has the Titans available. They're also a ten and a
Speaker 1: half point favorite on the road against the Texans. And
Speaker 1: then the other entry, Chris Piper, he doesn't have much left.
Speaker 1: The biggest favorite he has left is the Wolf tis
Speaker 1: the football team? UM, who are who are laying six
Speaker 1: six and a half at the Giants? So if those
Speaker 1: were the picks and the guys that took Kansas City
Speaker 1: parlayed on the money line, uh, Tampa Bay, Tennessee and Washington.
Speaker 1: I'm looking right now at the odds. Washington's about to sixty.
Speaker 1: The Titans are around UM five dollars and the Buccaneers
Speaker 1: about three fifties. So you're looking at a three team
Speaker 1: money line parlay. That's that you can put. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a little less than that. We can do the
Speaker 1: math here, but you could do that, or you can
Speaker 1: bet the games individually. The thing is all of the
Speaker 1: games go early, right, so they're all I think. So, No,
Speaker 1: the Bucks is a game, so you can wait with that.
Speaker 1: On the East, you could wait. You could do a
Speaker 1: two team money line parlay in the first game, see
Speaker 1: where you're at, and then decide what you want to
Speaker 1: do on the Bucks. But what a great position to
Speaker 1: be in for all these folks, um. Obviously four of
Speaker 1: them advanced with Green Bay on Christmas Day and one
Speaker 1: advanced with Tennessee on the Thursday before. That's how all
Speaker 1: of them got here. As we whittled it down, uh
Speaker 1: in that group from sixteen to nine and then from
Speaker 1: from nine to five. Todd, you want to update everybody
Speaker 1: on the performance last week and where we stand with
Speaker 1: the records. Sure. Absolutely, the huge week by Mikey Mr
Speaker 1: Michael Palm going three and oh, a very very solid
Speaker 1: week over fifty one in Cincinnati. The Chargers was a
Speaker 1: no doubter, and the Bears, which was a no doubter,
Speaker 1: so you basically had three no doubter wins. You also
Speaker 1: want your teaser to go to six and one on
Speaker 1: the regular spread and nine seven and one on the teaser.
Speaker 1: Gil keeps the lead because he went twenty He went
Speaker 1: two and one against uh the spread last week to
Speaker 1: go to twenty six, and he had the Bengals Tennessee
Speaker 1: and almost got there with the wolf Tis they they
Speaker 1: he had plus three and a half. They lost by four.
Speaker 1: He lost his teaser though he is now eight eight
Speaker 1: and one on the teasers. Looks like I have the
Speaker 1: teaser championship locked up. I went to in one last week. Also,
Speaker 1: Jacks in New England was the only one that didn't
Speaker 1: get there for me. Unfortunately, uh I. I knew the
Speaker 1: Jags weren't going to score more than seven to ten points. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the Patriots rolled up the score like they did against
Speaker 1: the Browns, and that was the one thing I was
Speaker 1: concerned about. And of course the Patriots did it again.
Speaker 1: So I went to and one to go to twenty
Speaker 1: one and thirty. I am eleven and six on teasers
Speaker 1: because I won my teaser pretty easily with Green Bay
Speaker 1: and the Charges, So that's where we are. You could
Speaker 1: still catch Gil. I got all of guilds picks here.
Speaker 1: You could still catch Gil, especially because we're going through
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You're only uh have one game back in
Speaker 1: the lost column. Yeah, one and a half overall, and
Speaker 1: the guests Will Hill had Bengals winner, Tennessee winner, Steelers winner,
Speaker 1: and Chargers uh in Seattle. So he went four and
Speaker 1: all as well. So a great week for little Hill.
Speaker 1: Who does that New York City podcast asked on visa
Speaker 1: and it's a regular on the Lombardi line. Okay, Frank,
Speaker 1: the formatt are three best bets against the spread. You
Speaker 1: can take a side or a total. It's based on
Speaker 1: the consensus number right now. Then a two point two
Speaker 1: teams six point teaser, and then we'll ask a couple
Speaker 1: of questions to end the show off. You're the guests,
Speaker 1: so you have the honors this week, Frank. You know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start off with all three of my picks
Speaker 1: are going to be about the same point spread range,
Speaker 1: and all of them are underdogs because I like the
Speaker 1: underdogs of this final week because we've lines get inflated
Speaker 1: because we hear all the time of oh this team
Speaker 1: has nothing to play for. Well that's garbage. Most of
Speaker 1: the time they're out of playoff contention, but there's something
Speaker 1: to play for. My first pickens, he laughed, Falcons to
Speaker 1: four and a half. Look, we all know by now
Speaker 1: this is one of the great NFL rivalries. It's underrated,
Speaker 1: maybe not even underrated anymore. Falcons Saints is a huge
Speaker 1: deal to those teams. And I think the Falcons, like
Speaker 1: a couple of other teams I like this, are going
Speaker 1: to want to knock the Saints out of playoff contention.
Speaker 1: We all know their scenario. The Saints wins, lose, the
Speaker 1: Saints are in and I think that that is push
Speaker 1: this line up a little bit. I don't trust the
Speaker 1: Saints offensive score a lot. Look, I was watching that
Speaker 1: Panthers game last week and I'm like, oh wow, it's
Speaker 1: still you know, ten nine Panthers and I was twelve
Speaker 1: ten Saints, and they just can't pull away from anybody.
Speaker 1: This is not a team. It's gonna put up a
Speaker 1: lot of points. I don't think Falcons are a good
Speaker 1: team by any means, but I think that this is
Speaker 1: their super Bowl. They put everything into this game. We
Speaker 1: see we year after year final week of the season,
Speaker 1: teams come out and even if they're not in playoff contention,
Speaker 1: under say we got one game left and we can
Speaker 1: go golfing on Monday. Let's put it all on the
Speaker 1: line here. Let's play hard. We see underdogs do pretty well.
Speaker 1: If if they've been game the season, they played pretty well,
Speaker 1: they'll take the Giants at all. But if a team
Speaker 1: like the Falcons who has played hard, they did play
Speaker 1: hard at Buffalo last week, I think that the Falcons
Speaker 1: give them all they can handle. I think they even
Speaker 1: have a shot to win here and give me four
Speaker 1: and a half home with them, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: be fired up. Falcons plus four and a half is
Speaker 1: my first best pat here Todd couldn't. I couldn't agree
Speaker 1: anymore with Frank Brother. I have that. I have that
Speaker 1: circles my number four one. But and I think he's
Speaker 1: saying something that we should warn everybody. UM in the
Speaker 1: last two years, I think I just saw on Twitter
Speaker 1: teams that need to win in the last two weeks
Speaker 1: versus teams that have nothing to play for, the teams
Speaker 1: that have nothing to play for against the spread, something
Speaker 1: to that, something to that range. So UM, if you're
Speaker 1: a novice at sports gambling and you think you're going
Speaker 1: to win because you're going to take the team that
Speaker 1: has to win, be very careful. That is not a
Speaker 1: good strategy, Todd, Can you read gils first pick and
Speaker 1: then give your own Yes, gills first pick is the
Speaker 1: forty Niners plus four and a half. It was another
Speaker 1: one that I kind of liked. I'm gonna assume he's
Speaker 1: banking on the fact that Niners have really dominated the
Speaker 1: Rams uh in the last couple of meetings. I think
Speaker 1: they've won the last five or six straight. Um. I
Speaker 1: kind of agree with that pick too. I like the Niners,
Speaker 1: especially if Jimmy She's gonna play Jimmy g always scares me.
Speaker 1: But I am not a fan of the Rams. I
Speaker 1: think the Rams are shaky. Look at last week, they
Speaker 1: barely squeaked by. They're just not Matt Stafford. You know,
Speaker 1: he is a tremendous talent, but he is not a
Speaker 1: guy you feel comfortable with when you absolutely need it.
Speaker 1: And that's my feeling, and that's probably what Gil's thinking
Speaker 1: to here, and he has Niners plus four and a half.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think about that one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely that's gonna be a mess. I could play because look,
Speaker 1: even if it's tray lads, tray lads, he started slow
Speaker 1: last week and then he really heated up, and he
Speaker 1: can make some play. Look that, throw a Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: and touchdown. I'm sure Kyle Shanahan looks at that a
Speaker 1: film and goes, my main quarterback can't do that. Like
Speaker 1: I can open up the playbook when I got this
Speaker 1: rookie in there and the forty. The Rams most of
Speaker 1: this season been front runners. They beat bad teams, but
Speaker 1: against good teams they're not great that you know. We
Speaker 1: saw last week they almost lost to a depleted Ravens team.
Speaker 1: I don't trust this Rams team really and the four
Speaker 1: be Niners, but now we know they need to win.
Speaker 1: They need to win. If they don't win, their their
Speaker 1: faith is in the Saints hands to make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So there's a playoff game for the Niners. I think
Speaker 1: we get everything. I mean, I think they win. I
Speaker 1: really do. I think that they're gonna go in there.
Speaker 1: We notice Shannaham mcbathing, so yeah, definitely agree. I think
Speaker 1: it's real important that Jimmy g plays rather than the lance.
Speaker 1: I was not impressed with Lance at all. Um. I
Speaker 1: actually had a bet on in game bet on that
Speaker 1: game on the team total under, on the type of
Speaker 1: the Texans. I thought Lance was against a really bad team.
Speaker 1: I thought he was and he may end up being good,
Speaker 1: but he did not impress me at all. He hasn't
Speaker 1: impressed me all season. But you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: we're probably gonna get Jimmy G anyway, so that it's
Speaker 1: not you wouldn't be as Frank. Let's put it this way,
Speaker 1: if Lance was playing, you'd be a little more concerned,
Speaker 1: especially because the Rams defense is pretty good, and I
Speaker 1: might be as well. I think a little more variance
Speaker 1: for sure. But I look, you said that I was
Speaker 1: watching at first half say woa, Trey, Lance can't do this,
Speaker 1: And then the second half he did play well. I'll
Speaker 1: give him credit. He made some plays. I think he
Speaker 1: got really comfortable, and we saw that in the game
Speaker 1: where Jimmy G went out. I can't remember who they
Speaker 1: were playing. It was early in the season before he
Speaker 1: started against Arizona and Trey. The same thing kind of
Speaker 1: happened first couple of series. He's shaky and then he
Speaker 1: really warms up, and I just think that's a young kid.
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely more various for Trey. But I feel
Speaker 1: fine either way, quarterback. I really you're right, Jimmy has
Speaker 1: played a lot better people given credit for. But I
Speaker 1: feel good either way. Quarterback. I think you're referring to
Speaker 1: the Seahawks game in San Francisco. Seahawks. Yeah, yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember who their pone was, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was one of those where you're like a few series
Speaker 1: and you're like, Trey Lands is in trouble and then
Speaker 1: he got a hot light in the game, and the
Speaker 1: same thing happen against Huston. I'm I'm more with Todd
Speaker 1: than you about Lance. I mean, the first half of
Speaker 1: that game last week was an under in game Underbetter's
Speaker 1: Dream between Trey Lance and and Alec Mills. Uh. Davis
Speaker 1: Mills Uh, I mean Todd I had it under seventeen
Speaker 1: and a half, sixteen and a half, fourteen and a half,
Speaker 1: thirteen and a half, and ten and a half. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just who could punt quicker? I mean it was.
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. So I'm gonna have a play on
Speaker 1: this game as well, but it won't be the same one. Okay, Todd,
Speaker 1: your first pick, my first pick. I am gonna go
Speaker 1: with the I'm gonna go with the over in the
Speaker 1: l A Chargers game. Um, I think. I think the
Speaker 1: Chargers are just one of those beautiful over teams where
Speaker 1: they're tremendous on offense. We all see the Herbert and
Speaker 1: in the whole story with him. I think obviously, if
Speaker 1: he's not a star already, he's a future star and
Speaker 1: will definitely be in, you know, top three quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league for time to come. I think the Chargers
Speaker 1: are outstanding offensively, and I think they're horrendous defensively. Uh.
Speaker 1: The only thing that gave them the blowout last because
Speaker 1: they happened to be going against Drew Locke, who is
Speaker 1: not ready for prime time. So I don't I don't think.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I took the over last week,
Speaker 1: it's still got there because the Chargers scored so much.
Speaker 1: I think the Raiders are the Raiders are pretty good
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, I'm not gonna say they're their
Speaker 1: their world beaters, but you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: world beater to beat the Charge. Remember, the Steelers scored
Speaker 1: thirty four points against this team. The Steelers can't score
Speaker 1: thirty four points against anyone. I mean, I just keep
Speaker 1: going back to game after game after game where the
Speaker 1: Chargers look horrendous on on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And anybody remember the Browns game where guys were running
Speaker 1: like it was a college game. It was ridiculous. I
Speaker 1: don't think the Chargers can stop anyone, and I think
Speaker 1: that they can score on anyone. So I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: over forty nine and a half in the Charges against
Speaker 1: the Vegas Raiders. You know, nothing says more about the
Speaker 1: Chargers defense than the fact that they scored with fourteen
Speaker 1: seconds left and a half and Drew Lock was able
Speaker 1: to get a field goal for half. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's incredible. It is incredible. That's the standalone game on
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Raiders Chargers winning. You're in uh should be
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere and ticket prices are going through the
Speaker 1: roof here at Allegiance in Las Vegas. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna taked. This is your first pick. First, my first pick.
Speaker 1: What's the number you have on the Cowboys and Eagles?
Speaker 1: I have six. Oh, it's going even lower. I had
Speaker 1: six and a half a second ago. And now it
Speaker 1: looks like five and a half. Yeah, I think there
Speaker 1: was just news about something. Yeah, Parsons and Tyron Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take whatever this number is, six or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to give me here. I'm taking say it's
Speaker 1: actually five and a half, but it's not going to
Speaker 1: make a difference. I'm taking the Eagles here, Todd, because
Speaker 1: I don't think either team has anything to play for.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, Dallas, what's the reality here that they
Speaker 1: can play their way up. They don't own any tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: They don't own any tiebreaker with Tampa Bay because they
Speaker 1: lost that opening night game. There. The Rams playing for
Speaker 1: a lot, as you said, with the forty Niners. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Rams are playing for the two seed. Really, the
Speaker 1: two are possibly the five fars owners should win and
Speaker 1: they lose to the forty Niners. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: think Dallas is pretty much locked into the four and
Speaker 1: knows their faith. They're gonna have to win a game
Speaker 1: at home and then probably go to Lambeau and not
Speaker 1: that that's the worst thing. Maybe winning the game at
Speaker 1: home is that is the bigger problem. I think of
Speaker 1: all the NFC teams, Dallas might actually have the best
Speaker 1: shot to go into Lambeau and win that game. I
Speaker 1: don't think they risk playing anybody if they're they're starters. Start,
Speaker 1: they may go a quarter, a quarter and a half.
Speaker 1: We know Philadelphia is not. They're locked. They're into a
Speaker 1: playoffs scenario. They're going to be a wild card already. Um.
Speaker 1: I really think this is just a glorified scrimmage with
Speaker 1: either team making sure nobody gets hurt. And I'll take
Speaker 1: the home team getting more than a field goal in
Speaker 1: that spot. I have that circle does my second picks,
Speaker 1: and I might have to switch that one. But I
Speaker 1: actually like that too. I mean, it's ridiculous. Who are
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Right? Who are the Cowboys to be giving
Speaker 1: them that many points on the road in a in
Speaker 1: a glorified scrimmage? What are you gonna say? Frank Football
Speaker 1: Outsiders has that the Cowboys get the four seeds, So
Speaker 1: you're pretty much. The only think I'll push back on, though,
Speaker 1: is I remember that came again some Giants a few years.
Speaker 1: I think it was a Giants when they made no
Speaker 1: sense for the Cowboys to play their guys and they
Speaker 1: played him the whole freaking game. And you can say, well,
Speaker 1: it's a different coach, it doesn't matter. Jerry Jones called
Speaker 1: shots there. So I wonder if they are going to
Speaker 1: play their starters a whole game. I don't agree with it.
Speaker 1: I think it's dumb. But it's the Cowboys that dumbly
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, so maybe they do it
Speaker 1: dumbly this time too. But even with their starters, are
Speaker 1: they so great that they're gonna kills? I get that
Speaker 1: there's no motivation there, there's no and then he goes
Speaker 1: about playing well, like, look, I get next seriality a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. I wondered if a couple of months
Speaker 1: of the season, I was like, this guy might be
Speaker 1: a donkey, but he actually has turned that thing around.
Speaker 1: And how about Hurts? How about Hurts? This guy might
Speaker 1: actually be good. I remember thinking this guy is horrendous
Speaker 1: and he actually looks I really think as far as
Speaker 1: improvement goes, I don't know if you guys agree with
Speaker 1: me on this. I think he's improved. I can't think
Speaker 1: of any quarterback who has improved more than Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: this year. I don't know what you guys think, but
Speaker 1: what I mean, he really looks a lot better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good, is really good if you just put out
Speaker 1: in a good tape of him, it's like, WHOA, this
Speaker 1: guy is something. Then you put on the bad tape,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, like no, no, don't about this. So
Speaker 1: you just got to get that in the inconsistency out
Speaker 1: of his game. But the good is really really good
Speaker 1: if you I'll give you guys this question. If you
Speaker 1: owned an NFL franchise, and I gave you the choice
Speaker 1: of these four, which one would you want going into
Speaker 1: next year? Is your quarterbacks? You like this, You're ready,
Speaker 1: You're ready. Jalen Hurts to Taga Violoa him, Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. I gave you all four Alabama quarter the
Speaker 1: last four Alabama quarterbacks? Who do you want? And I know,
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, you're only one year in college. But who
Speaker 1: who would you have the rights to heading into next year?
Speaker 1: M hmm. That's a good price for me, just because
Speaker 1: the upside, because I know what the other guys are
Speaker 1: and Hurts might be good, but I know the other
Speaker 1: two guys are great. I don't know if Hurts is
Speaker 1: ever gonna be great. I just root for the unknown.
Speaker 1: They're looking for the I mean, the obvious answer that
Speaker 1: everyone would say was Mac Jones, but I think, see,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Mac Jones being good. Is
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick really Daniels great offensive quarter Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the Patriots. I mean the Patriots large. The Patriots
Speaker 1: organization writ large has decided we are going to protect
Speaker 1: mac Jones and make him give him the opportunity to
Speaker 1: succeed with the least amount of risk possible. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe that's a controversial opinion, but to me,
Speaker 1: it seems very clear their first step in every game
Speaker 1: is we're going to run the ball, run the ball,
Speaker 1: run the ball, and try to protect Matt Jones. Do
Speaker 1: you agree with that, Mikey or do you think that's crazy?
Speaker 1: I agree with that. And I wonder if these other
Speaker 1: rookie quarterbacks that haven't been as successful, how they would
Speaker 1: have done if they landed in New England. How would
Speaker 1: Trey Lance have done if he landed in much better?
Speaker 1: How would much better Trevor Lawrence done if he landed
Speaker 1: in New England? Right? Yeah, you put Matt Jones. Put
Speaker 1: Matt Jones on the Jaguars. What happens? People would be screaming.
Speaker 1: People would be screaming. Matt Jones is the worst quarterback
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. You know, they would
Speaker 1: be saying that he probably would have been injured by
Speaker 1: now exactly. Yeah, but I would out of those guys,
Speaker 1: I would probably take just talent, just a loan of
Speaker 1: what I've seen. I'm gonna say something crazy. Hurts is
Speaker 1: impressing me. I'll take Hurts. And the thing about Hurts
Speaker 1: is he can make you hurt with his legs and
Speaker 1: and if he gets the throws down, which he's starting
Speaker 1: to get down, and he gets the reads down, look
Speaker 1: out because he has that extra ability that not everybody has. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe he's going to be like a Calling Kaepernick who
Speaker 1: had the that one year when he was amazing and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he fell apart. You know
Speaker 1: he I can't. I can't. I can remember Kaepernick on
Speaker 1: third and eight in huge games, like making those first
Speaker 1: down runs, and it seems like Hurts can do the
Speaker 1: similar thing. But well, we'll see. Obviously, I was listening
Speaker 1: to an interview with Rod Jaworski a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and he was really lavishing the praise on Hurt, staying
Speaker 1: he's one of the best natural leaders of a young
Speaker 1: man to come into the league in many many years,
Speaker 1: and he's really high on Hurts and doesn't and think
Speaker 1: it should be a question if they're playing Minshew or Hurts,
Speaker 1: it's clearly Hurts just the number one there. Okay, Frank
Speaker 1: gave his second pick already h with the Niners. Nay,
Speaker 1: So Todd, can you read gil second pick and give
Speaker 1: your second Yes. Gil's second pick is the Woofties minus
Speaker 1: six and a half. I'm just gonna guess that Gil
Speaker 1: thinks the Giants have packed it in. How can you
Speaker 1: really argue against that? It seems to me that that
Speaker 1: the Giants have decided that the season is over and
Speaker 1: they're already on vacation. Uh. Some teams, you know, one
Speaker 1: there's always one or two teams that have really checked
Speaker 1: out for the season, and it certainly looks like the Giants,
Speaker 1: certainly on the offensive side of the ball, have completely
Speaker 1: decided to check out. Not that woof he is any good,
Speaker 1: but it's only six and a half. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you guys think. I think Frank, you you already
Speaker 1: told us you thought the Giants were done. I mean
Speaker 1: last week I was. I don't think people are talking
Speaker 1: about this enough. Last week, in the first half against Chicago.
Speaker 1: The New York Giants ran the ball twenty three times,
Speaker 1: have passed twice, and they were down a half. That's
Speaker 1: Joe Judge give up. That is JoJo's quitting on his
Speaker 1: team and saying, you're gonna give me this crappy roster.
Speaker 1: What here you go. I'm gonna run the clock out
Speaker 1: on the first half and we're just gonna take our
Speaker 1: l and go back to New York. I thought it
Speaker 1: was shameful. I thought that the game plan they had
Speaker 1: last week was literally shameful. I thought he quit on
Speaker 1: his team. And he's got these bizarre rants after the game,
Speaker 1: talking about guys calling him up multiple tized of weeks
Speaker 1: that you wish told stay there and blood. I think
Speaker 1: he's losing his mind. I think he's given up on
Speaker 1: this team. I think this team is pretty much given
Speaker 1: up on him and his talent. Wise. I got I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it. My punt stinks like it. It's hard
Speaker 1: to watch that team. I totally agree. I think I
Speaker 1: think washing WFD just totally gets over on them, and
Speaker 1: and just and and also if you needed anything else,
Speaker 1: George Judge colleg Washington a clown show organization, Roberver is
Speaker 1: gonna bring that up. He's gonna be anything you can
Speaker 1: get from motivation the last week. He's gonna bring this
Speaker 1: stuff up. And so I think Washington at least trying,
Speaker 1: and the Giants are so yeah, Belly, what about Sat
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley? How good would say Kwan Barkley? Beyond Sat Tennessee?
Speaker 1: Would he run for Derrick Henry numbers? No, nope. I
Speaker 1: look whenever I watch those Giants games, and I watch
Speaker 1: him every week. Obviously, Davante Parker looks like the more
Speaker 1: explosive running back. It's kind of sad. I don't know
Speaker 1: if if Sake Kwan needs another year. I don't know if,
Speaker 1: but every time I look up, it's like se might
Speaker 1: not even be the Giants best right, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to watch. I hope says back has got right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know. How about the original Sake one? How
Speaker 1: about the original Sake one before the injury? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. Yeah the rookie, you're say, Kwan and
Speaker 1: Penn State say all day, I mean he I don't
Speaker 1: know if he'd be Derrick Henry level or Jonathan Taylor level,
Speaker 1: but he'd be in that. He not oper for sure.
Speaker 1: I just feel some of these running backs they lose
Speaker 1: their careers because they're on the wrong team. I see
Speaker 1: it happening to Naja Harris because I think Naja Harris
Speaker 1: is a real talent. And uh, even though he broke
Speaker 1: my heart last week when I had both team total
Speaker 1: Steelers under twenty one and a half and the Browns
Speaker 1: plus seven and a half. And well, by the way, Mikey,
Speaker 1: tell me, what are the percentages of NFL teams breaking
Speaker 1: a touchdown run with one nineteen to go and they're
Speaker 1: just running it into the line? Does it happen more
Speaker 1: than one out of a hundred? It probably does not
Speaker 1: anymore because they're all trained to go down at the five.
Speaker 1: He's gonna go down and then he's like, no, screw,
Speaker 1: there's like free runoff had all year. I'll take a touchdown,
Speaker 1: by the way. Even besides without that though, and we
Speaker 1: know they all do know that they have to jump
Speaker 1: out go down at the five, but even without that,
Speaker 1: they almost never break a long one. Like I remember
Speaker 1: that Chub one a couple of years ago, but you
Speaker 1: don't really remember. It's not like college. You know, in
Speaker 1: college It happens all the time. We see it in
Speaker 1: the NFL earlier this year, and Jonathan Taylor did against
Speaker 1: the Patriots. You're college, if they get past the linebackers,
Speaker 1: they can't run them down. But in the pros there's
Speaker 1: always dbs that are gonna run them down. They don't
Speaker 1: break it, and I couldn't. I was driving home from
Speaker 1: the game because we had already left trying to beat
Speaker 1: the big Bend traffic, and we thought we had it
Speaker 1: when when we got the back door touchdown by Baker
Speaker 1: after a fourth and fifth team pass interference, we thought,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna get the back door and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the team total under And then they
Speaker 1: give it to Najy and he's running free and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you cannot be kidding me. Naji, fall down, fall down.
Speaker 1: You can't blame him. Though he's gonna get three on
Speaker 1: my light of privilege every play, he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is what open field. That's why I brought it
Speaker 1: up because I feel like he's gonna his career is
Speaker 1: being ruined already with the team with no offensive lines.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's yeah. He has had a season like
Speaker 1: I have I haven't seen him have one easy run
Speaker 1: all year except that one against He makes four yard
Speaker 1: runs that are spectacular. Sometimes you know, makes like five,
Speaker 1: it's incredible. So anyways, Mikey, are we up to me
Speaker 1: your second? My second pick? I had Philadelphia written down here,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna pass that for now. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the Titans. Do you have the Titans minus ten? Is
Speaker 1: that we have the Titans that? Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the Titans minus ten. Um. I've watched a lot
Speaker 1: of Uston this year, and of course I watched all
Speaker 1: the games that I'm saying as far as games that
Speaker 1: I really pay attention to just because I'm always seemed
Speaker 1: to be on their team total under And last week
Speaker 1: I think I had the Niners and millions. By the
Speaker 1: way I'm gonna be, I'm forty nine and thirty six
Speaker 1: and millions and going nowhere. Right, There's no way I
Speaker 1: can catch even if you're gonna be like you're gonna
Speaker 1: go five and O and be four games out of
Speaker 1: the money. Unbelievable. Okay, So anyways, last week I had Todd.
Speaker 1: Right now, the last person that's in the money is
Speaker 1: fifty five and thirty and they're and they're in a
Speaker 1: twenty way tie for that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm mathematically eliminated, of course. But anyways, so last
Speaker 1: week I had the Niners and I had Lances watching
Speaker 1: that nonsense in the first half, and I'm thinking there's
Speaker 1: no way, and then they get there in the second
Speaker 1: half just because Houston's horrendous. I mean, do we really
Speaker 1: have to go over why Houston is bad? I mean,
Speaker 1: they have no quarterback, they have no nothing. It's it's
Speaker 1: a joke of a team. And they and I think
Speaker 1: they're still trying. That's the thing. I think the Titans
Speaker 1: are still trying. They looked like they were trying against
Speaker 1: the forty Niners. They just can't do anything. They're just
Speaker 1: not good enough. And I think the Titans, you know,
Speaker 1: Vrabel is a serious coach. I've always liked Rabel and
Speaker 1: they I think they need to win it for the
Speaker 1: for the one, number one overall seed. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be serious, and I think they're just gonna go
Speaker 1: in there and just plow through them, just run the
Speaker 1: ball right through them, and it will be you know, Titans,
Speaker 1: It'll be a typical Titans game. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean the typical Houston Texans game where it's like twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven or twenty seven to seven, give me
Speaker 1: the Titans minus the ten. It was real quick. Why
Speaker 1: what I look at these Coach of the year odds.
Speaker 1: Can somebody explain to me what Zach Taylor's How do
Speaker 1: my fable? What I mean? Mike f Abel is gonna
Speaker 1: get the one seed without Derrick Henry being there half
Speaker 1: the year, without a j Brown being there for a
Speaker 1: one or so, with Julio Jones being a corpse like
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor I had because like the Bengals were to
Speaker 1: one to win their division, I think who cares? It's
Speaker 1: always miss Price before the season. Maybe, like recently, I
Speaker 1: hate coaching. I hate so much. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: ask you guys this question. Who you would have to me,
Speaker 1: it's only Zach Taylor Mike Vrabel that should voted for.
Speaker 1: I think La Fleur no, because look, he was exposed
Speaker 1: in Kansas City when Rogers didn't play, they couldn't do anything.
Speaker 1: It's not about him, that the Green Bay Matt. It's
Speaker 1: not the coach, is he the Matt? La Fleur? The
Speaker 1: Rogers is the coach but the floor is not the
Speaker 1: real coach. Push back on that. I pushed that. Look
Speaker 1: look at my McCarthy's last few years versus Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: winning of his games last three, I vote four. I
Speaker 1: would I think at some point you just need to say,
Speaker 1: well whatever like that, this guy's gonna get the one
Speaker 1: seed in the NFC, has done great job. Well you
Speaker 1: know you O you Google, Oh you're saying la Fleur
Speaker 1: should get even over for Abul and Zach Taylor. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I I think I just think cook of the Year
Speaker 1: as a stupid award. Josh Passers when acc Basketball Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year before mitro Chef's like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a dumb award. But I think at some point results
Speaker 1: just need to matter, and the Packers have been the
Speaker 1: best team, so why not be great? And I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even have a problem with anybody voting for him. But
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to is the Packers
Speaker 1: have been the best team. And la Flora's dealt with
Speaker 1: some things now, like Aaron Rodgers drama. He handled that
Speaker 1: really well. Vante Adams drama, He's handled it. They lost
Speaker 1: Sire Alexander, they lost David Boccieri, they lost Darius Smith.
Speaker 1: It's not like they've had no adversity. I vote La
Speaker 1: Flora because I think that's not just Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: roll the balls. I'll look at that win at Arizona
Speaker 1: and nobody and they won that game. So I think
Speaker 1: Flora's done a fine job, and I vote for You
Speaker 1: can't go to the NFC Championship every game year and
Speaker 1: lose and be considered a winner by America. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, asked Danny White. Okay, unless you become the greatest.
Speaker 1: Unless you become Jim Kelly, asked Jim Kelly. Well, he
Speaker 1: won the conference, he didn't win the Super The only
Speaker 1: exception is if La Fleur becomes the greatest color commentator
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL, then it was okay
Speaker 1: for madd And to lose seven a f C Championship games,
Speaker 1: but not I think I vote it's not even not
Speaker 1: even close. And and the Zach Taylor do Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: fourth down nonsense that he did it against Minnesota in
Speaker 1: Week one. And then why you won't kick a field
Speaker 1: goal with forty eight seconds left in Kansas City doesn't
Speaker 1: have a time out, He got so lucky twice there. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you think you've got to think, what's the
Speaker 1: other side of what he's thinking. He's thinking, if he
Speaker 1: kicks the field goal, he's up by three with forty
Speaker 1: eight seconds and no time outs, and for sure, Kansas
Speaker 1: he's gonna get field he's thinking, I don't think. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I'm not saying it's for sure. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that's what he's thinking. So he's thinking, we've got
Speaker 1: to win this game right here. Otherwise, and by the way,
Speaker 1: you could do the percentages out there's probably what is
Speaker 1: the actual percentage of Kansas City getting a field goal
Speaker 1: with forty eight seconds and no time outs? What's the
Speaker 1: percentage I'd say less? Well, if he had tried the
Speaker 1: short field goal and missed it, then it would have
Speaker 1: been eight seven percent they scored a touchdown. Well, that's
Speaker 1: only because we don't that's a whole another story. But seriously,
Speaker 1: what is it you think it's less than really no
Speaker 1: time out? Pretty good? Bucker is a great kicker, I said.
Speaker 1: If that's Aaron Rodgers in the same spot, though, I
Speaker 1: think Rogers and Brady better at managing the clock that
Speaker 1: Mahomes though. Okay, I think it's pretty it's higher than
Speaker 1: you guys are giving it credit for, but obviously there's
Speaker 1: no way to know. Okay, I'm gonna go to the
Speaker 1: game that that that you that Gil and Frank already took,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna play it a different way. What do
Speaker 1: you have as the total on the Rams game? Ram
Speaker 1: Rams against the Niners? The Rams against the Niners are
Speaker 1: four and a half and forty four and a half
Speaker 1: going under their Todd is my second pick under forty
Speaker 1: four and a half? Under forty four and a half. Okay,
Speaker 1: if it's Lance, then you won. I think I win.
Speaker 1: If it's Garoppolo, it depends on is a good Jimmy
Speaker 1: g or bad Jimmy? Look at this is a playoff game.
Speaker 1: It's the two versus the five seed for the Rams,
Speaker 1: it's to win and get in for the forty forty
Speaker 1: Niners and Shanahan have owned McVeigh. Okay, their devas have
Speaker 1: been very good. You saw it, even with the change
Speaker 1: to Stafford at quarterback in the first meeting. San Francisco
Speaker 1: was dominant in that game. I think this is a
Speaker 1: low scoring game, a playoff type atmosphere that both teams
Speaker 1: will play conservatively and try not to beat themselves. Stafford
Speaker 1: tried to give away that game in Baltimore last week,
Speaker 1: a pick six and a fumble in the red zone.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how good the Rams defense is, though,
Speaker 1: that they could still win a game like that that
Speaker 1: Baltimore was desperate to win. I think this game is
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen. I'm not sure which way, but I like
Speaker 1: it under I think if Lands goes, you can just
Speaker 1: catch the ticket right now because you know they're going
Speaker 1: to protect him. They're gonna try to run the ball
Speaker 1: and and and shorten the game. But with Jimmy g
Speaker 1: it could be a whole another story. What do you think, Frank, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I do think you guys hate on Lance
Speaker 1: too much. This guy's got some skills. Man, I didn't
Speaker 1: see Wait, Frank, I didn't say he might here, Frank,
Speaker 1: I didn't say he wouldn't be good in the future.
Speaker 1: I just said right now, sure, I get it, I
Speaker 1: get it, but you've seen some things on it. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see him. Let's see see like look back and
Speaker 1: look at the second half last week. Let's see him
Speaker 1: against the real NFL defense. Though, we really haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever he does against Montana State and the
Speaker 1: Texans is one thing. Let's see him go against this Rams,
Speaker 1: this Rams defense. Okay, Frank, it's how many games, Mikey?
Speaker 1: How many I remember the Seattle game? Didn't he play
Speaker 1: another game where he was horrendous? Also he played he
Speaker 1: played against Arizona and they just ran the ball, ran
Speaker 1: the ball, ran the ball. Remember, it was not a
Speaker 1: good game. Play was not a good Yes, yes exactly,
Speaker 1: I had that game. But I think I think Shanahan
Speaker 1: screwed that game up. But I think he did admit it.
Speaker 1: I think he did admit I had a gag. Okay, Frank,
Speaker 1: it's time for your third pick. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers plus five and a half because you
Speaker 1: know I talk I said this before by the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Who are the Ravens to be giving five and a
Speaker 1: half right now? They've been terrible lately, They're beat up.
Speaker 1: I love Horrorba, I love the infrastructure of that team,
Speaker 1: but they've lost five in a row, including one of
Speaker 1: the Steelers. And we know when the Steelers are right now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a great at the game. Ugly they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep a little scoring, and I think five and
Speaker 1: a half is way too much here. I really don't
Speaker 1: understand the angle of well, they just left it all
Speaker 1: in the field last week because Ben's last game quarterback.
Speaker 1: Who canna be wrong? But he's not exactly from reputation
Speaker 1: and I know this is a lot of narratives street,
Speaker 1: he's not exactly the guy in that locker room who
Speaker 1: everybody just loves unconditionally, like he's the quarterbacks back, come
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Respect him. But it's not like everybody at
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers was like, well, let's win this one
Speaker 1: for Benn, and who cares if we make the playoffs?
Speaker 1: Like no, no, Like the Pittsburgh Steelers are gonna come
Speaker 1: out in this and they don't other chances of making
Speaker 1: the playoffs pretty low. Yes, but you're still gonna play
Speaker 1: it out. He still gonna act like, hey, let's win
Speaker 1: and see what happens with the Colts. I think the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers a stuffort we can out of them. We
Speaker 1: know they're gonna play defense. We don't t J. Watt
Speaker 1: is a beast. He's gonna win DEFENSI Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Uh so I think this is this line was just
Speaker 1: totally It's surprised. It surprised me that the raven that
Speaker 1: the Steelers were so far well against this Ravens team
Speaker 1: that has shown really honestly nothing for five or more weeks.
Speaker 1: Can I say something about the Picksburgh Stollers, Todd, I'd
Speaker 1: like you to say something, and then I'd also like
Speaker 1: you do um enveloping your comments, your partying thoughts on
Speaker 1: what Big Ben has meant to you as a younser. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll just say it right now. The Picksburgh stores are.
Speaker 1: We were in love with Big Ben, Rotha Burger and
Speaker 1: that and uh, look sure there were some issues early on,
Speaker 1: maybe some mistakes made off the field that don't seem
Speaker 1: to be exactly what a good person might be doing
Speaker 1: and at but we got over that. He became a
Speaker 1: family man and we love Ben roethlis Burger, Big Ben.
Speaker 1: Let me just say I just want to say something.
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the sweet
Speaker 1: people down at the hines Field because somebody took me
Speaker 1: to the suite against the Brownies and wow, what a spread.
Speaker 1: And I am obviously struggling. Now I'll go out of
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh e's for a minute. I'm obviously struggling with the
Speaker 1: food right now, and it did not help at all
Speaker 1: to be in that box because they had every kind
Speaker 1: of food available. It was unbelievable. The only bad part
Speaker 1: about that whole night was that Nagy Harris run on me.
Speaker 1: But no, Big Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, how can you
Speaker 1: look obviously, my friend. When we drove home, we had
Speaker 1: a whole discussion about the the mistakes that Ben has
Speaker 1: made in the past, and that was an interesting discussion.
Speaker 1: But just as a football player, I think he's been amazing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, Super Bowl winner. Uh he was never good
Speaker 1: enough to get us past Brady, but he was, Uh
Speaker 1: he was. I mean, come on, how can the Steelers
Speaker 1: get Terry Bradshaw and Ben Rothsburger all in the last
Speaker 1: forty years. I mean, it's a tremendous thing to have
Speaker 1: a quarterback for that long. I mean it's almost like
Speaker 1: Rogers and Farve Tody got Tommy Maddox and you had
Speaker 1: Mark Malone and I mean just a lot of malicious
Speaker 1: keeps going on and on. What about Charlie Charlie Badge
Speaker 1: for I mean, they've had they've had break we had
Speaker 1: some lean years. I remember Mark Loan was the quarterback
Speaker 1: and we couldn't score a touchdown for like four games
Speaker 1: in a row. Oh my, and Mark Malone was the
Speaker 1: local TV sports guy afterwards, Oh my gosh, he was horrendous.
Speaker 1: Mark Malone. Well, no, Donald took it to a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: at least, I mean it was Donald. He was decent,
Speaker 1: just good enough, but not good enough to beat the
Speaker 1: bootleggers Son and the Super Bowl and get get get
Speaker 1: Bury a championship. But as far as as far as
Speaker 1: franchises go, to have both Terry Bradshaw and Ben Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. I mean, how many other teams can
Speaker 1: say they had too Hall of Fame quarter x And
Speaker 1: the Broncos John and Peyton was about looking seventy years
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. I mean, yeah, they get to the
Speaker 1: eyes like that, back to back or not back to back,
Speaker 1: but in the same lifetime. Basically, Yeah, that's unbelievable. Well,
Speaker 1: the forty Niners had Montana and Young back to back
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, Well that was yeah, that was too
Speaker 1: much over the slappy like Jeff Garcia was okay too,
Speaker 1: They've had a nice Jeff Garcia would have been okay
Speaker 1: if not for Terrell Owens and what he did to
Speaker 1: destroy Jeff Carcia. I think I really believe that, Todd.
Speaker 1: It's time to read Gil's second pick or third pick. Sorry.
Speaker 1: Gil's third pick is the l A Chargers minus the three. Um.
Speaker 1: Not positive why he likes this other than I know
Speaker 1: he likes their coach a lot um. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the analytics to add nauseum. All I'll say is just
Speaker 1: because it goes over three doesn't mean anything. Guys, but
Speaker 1: the Chargers minus three. I I assumed he likes it
Speaker 1: because you know he likes the coach matchup. Maybe okay, Todd,
Speaker 1: time for your third pick. My third pick, I have
Speaker 1: Eagles circled here, but you took Eagles, So I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to see if I got on the fly come
Speaker 1: up with something different. Um than that, I don't really
Speaker 1: see anything. I uh, you know what, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with the Falcons. I kind of like I like what
Speaker 1: Frank had to say about the Falcons and the only thing,
Speaker 1: you know what, forget that. I can't. I can't bet
Speaker 1: on Maddy Ice. I'm just gonna take the Eagles. Forget
Speaker 1: it Philadelphia Philly plus five and half. I I just
Speaker 1: I just had a flashback, Frank, to all the bets
Speaker 1: that I've made on Maddie Ice, and I just feel
Speaker 1: so horrible in the last two minutes when he's at
Speaker 1: the thirty two yard line in field goal range and
Speaker 1: takes a sack to put him out of range. And
Speaker 1: I and I had last year, I had a thing
Speaker 1: where I camp it. I went to Philly Rivers anonymous,
Speaker 1: and I decided I would no longer bet on Phil Rivers,
Speaker 1: and I am no longer betting on Maddie Ice. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay. I'm gonna go with Philly plus five
Speaker 1: and a half for the same reasons, Mike, you said,
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think that the cowboy should
Speaker 1: be favored by five and a half on the road
Speaker 1: against the decent team. I really like what Hurts has done.
Speaker 1: We talked to add nauseum about that. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: take Philly plus five and a half. Okay, then we
Speaker 1: need your third Mikey. I'm taking the Chiefs Chiefs, and
Speaker 1: let's see what the number is here, ten Chiefs minus ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the consensus number. Is that because the guy with
Speaker 1: Survivor told you it was a lock. No, I think
Speaker 1: it's because. I think it's because you know, Denver has
Speaker 1: really faced all these COVID issues. I think they've packed
Speaker 1: it in. I'm not sure if all of the city
Speaker 1: will turn out to the last salute to the Commodore Fangio,
Speaker 1: his last game in Denver. This team is really bad. Um.
Speaker 1: They were serviceable with Bridgewater, they were competitive in games.
Speaker 1: They are not anymore, and I think they're just devastated. Look,
Speaker 1: Kansas City doesn't want to look. Kansas City loses the
Speaker 1: tiebreaker with all the other a f C Conference winners.
Speaker 1: They've lost to all of them. They lost to the Bills,
Speaker 1: they lost to the to the Bengals, uh, and they
Speaker 1: lost horribly to the Titans in Nashville. So they if
Speaker 1: they lose their risk falling to the four or even
Speaker 1: the three, that means you don't get a second home game.
Speaker 1: They'd at least like to get two games at Arrowhead
Speaker 1: and maybe if somebody, if the Bagels could upset the
Speaker 1: Titans or something like that, they could have the a
Speaker 1: f C Championship game and Arrowhead for the fourth straight season.
Speaker 1: An accomplishment zone It means something to Kansas City here,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means to Denver. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many people they're even gonna have, how many
Speaker 1: bodies they're gonna have available. They certainly don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'll lay the points down the road here in a game,
Speaker 1: um that's fairly important to the Chiefs. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, how stunned were you guys when I had
Speaker 1: the over team total thirty eight and a half on
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. They had twenty eight at the half and
Speaker 1: they scored three points in the second half. Can somebody
Speaker 1: tell me how that happened? How did I just have
Speaker 1: a ball? They they I think they went pun punt
Speaker 1: field goal their last three the only three possessions of
Speaker 1: the second half. That's correct, By the way, Mike, I'll
Speaker 1: push back a little bit just because I think this
Speaker 1: lines have played it. I think that the Broncos on
Speaker 1: Sunday Night a couple of weeks ago, and I get
Speaker 1: it was Bridgewater and they have had COVID issues, but
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago that felt like I had the
Speaker 1: Bronco's neck, and that felt like a right side because
Speaker 1: the Broncos played with them, and there was a there
Speaker 1: was a defensive touchdown and all that, but I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like the Broncos got run off the field. What
Speaker 1: are we saying in this game? If if it's plus
Speaker 1: ten at Deenver, that what it would be fourteen and
Speaker 1: a half of Kansas City. I get it's just wait
Speaker 1: it lines, just wait. You're talking about the twenty two
Speaker 1: to nine game, friend. Yeah, yeah, if you look at
Speaker 1: the yards and all that kind of stuff, it was
Speaker 1: like that wasn't a thirteen point lost for them. That
Speaker 1: was the game they should have covered, but they didn't
Speaker 1: because they thought a couple of breaks. Look, they were
Speaker 1: listless against one of the worst defenses in the league
Speaker 1: last week. I don't think they have anything left. I
Speaker 1: just really don't. You saw that line go up, up,
Speaker 1: up because of the COVID issues, which which are still
Speaker 1: a factor. Yeah. If this game was played three weeks earlier,
Speaker 1: the lines probably six. Right. I know I'm playing the
Speaker 1: premium here, but I just think Denver is totally done.
Speaker 1: Fangio has done. The lockers are packed, the offices are
Speaker 1: cleaned out. It's over and it's time to move on there. Okay,
Speaker 1: Drew lock Mr Jeff George's is not going to be
Speaker 1: an nfocal. It's not even a backup. He's not even
Speaker 1: you know I I talked I was on with when
Speaker 1: Mintioned Paul were off the vacation before Christmas. I was
Speaker 1: almost stormy and Shaun King he told me off air,
Speaker 1: he said, you have no idea how bad this Drew
Speaker 1: Lock is. This guy is an embarrassment. I mean, outside
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that haven't played in the league, he's
Speaker 1: absolutely the worst. And he hasn't been wrong so far
Speaker 1: about his performance. He said to drop off between Bridgewater
Speaker 1: and Lock might be the biggest gap of anybody outside
Speaker 1: the Packers, and I think he's right. All right now, Frank,
Speaker 1: we do our two team six point teaser, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take one of them. Is gonna be Washington
Speaker 1: just because I don't know that they're gonna need it,
Speaker 1: but you get them down to one served by five.
Speaker 1: I I like that. I think the Giants, as I
Speaker 1: talked about just packing in, they are the one team
Speaker 1: I can look at and say, yep, that team is quit.
Speaker 1: They do not want to play football anymore. They have
Speaker 1: a countdown in the locker room about how any days
Speaker 1: left until we can go play golf any other one's Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I think, Look, the Cardinals go into this game NFC
Speaker 1: West hopes still alive. They need the forty Niners to
Speaker 1: beat the Rams, but that could happen. I think you're
Speaker 1: going to see the best out of the Cardinals and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks other you know, yeah, they beat up lines,
Speaker 1: they beat up the Texas when else Russell's look terrible
Speaker 1: against good teams. The Aks have looked terrible against good teams.
Speaker 1: So if you can give me the Cards down to
Speaker 1: minus one, I like that minus a half. Were you
Speaker 1: even going to give you minus a half? Because I
Speaker 1: think there's six and a half. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think Seattle's I don't know what's wrong with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: Is this just his injury or something that's his injury.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's bad early in the year
Speaker 1: like so, I think it's I think it's just injury related.
Speaker 1: And he came back to quick, and that's off to
Speaker 1: him for doing it to be tough and saying I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to bail my team out of this. But
Speaker 1: he came back too quick, and that now he's paying
Speaker 1: the price, right, So we're we're going to learn a
Speaker 1: lot about Russell Wilson in the first four weeks of
Speaker 1: next season, I think, because if he's back to the
Speaker 1: regular Russell Wilson or if something structurally. I tend to
Speaker 1: agree with you, Frank, I think it's just an injury thing.
Speaker 1: Because you have the lead in the teasers, you go
Speaker 1: before me. Okay, I'm gonna go with my beloved Patriots. Uh,
Speaker 1: their beloved to me because I have him thirty two
Speaker 1: to one and forty one to one to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and not that they will, but at least
Speaker 1: I could probably head that I'm gonna take Pats minus
Speaker 1: a half. I think that Miami is fraudulent. Miami one
Speaker 1: a million games against bad teams, and hats off to
Speaker 1: Flores for writing the ship. And by the way, they
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of talent to a tag of Baloa,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a fan. I just don't
Speaker 1: see it. I don't see two a tug of loah,
Speaker 1: and I think they have a pretty decent defense and Flores,
Speaker 1: you know, rights the ship so they can beat the
Speaker 1: teams that they they should beat. Uh, they did win
Speaker 1: the one game against the Ravens, but who are the Ravens.
Speaker 1: The rest of those wins were against horrible teams. Now
Speaker 1: we see them come out against the titan Is last week.
Speaker 1: They play a real team. It's a real team. It's
Speaker 1: a real game. Now it's okay, are you really good,
Speaker 1: Miami or are you just Miami jokers? Well, here's what
Speaker 1: they are, their Miami jokers. They couldn't even keep this
Speaker 1: game closed. This game was over before it started. I
Speaker 1: had everything tied, all my pregame stuff that I had
Speaker 1: tied to, like money line parlays. I had them all
Speaker 1: tied to Tennessee moneyline because I was just and I
Speaker 1: wasn't concerned about it one bit at all. And and
Speaker 1: in betting, you're never not concerned, and I wasn't concerned.
Speaker 1: It looked like there's just no way that Miami can
Speaker 1: compete with Tennessee. I don't think Miami is good. And
Speaker 1: now they're gonna go against the Patriots team throw out
Speaker 1: that first game of the year when it was seventeen sixteen. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that was the first game of the year.
Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are just their different level, uh
Speaker 1: than Miami, and and Bill Belichick will get a will
Speaker 1: find a way to win it, and my second team
Speaker 1: is going to be the Niners plus ten and a
Speaker 1: half because I agree with um both Gil and Frank
Speaker 1: on this game. Um, I just and if I get
Speaker 1: Jimmy g I think there's no way they're losing by
Speaker 1: more than ten and a half. If I get Lands,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little nervous, but even then they're
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball lot. It'll be tough to lose
Speaker 1: by ten and a half. So give me Pats minus
Speaker 1: a half Niners plus ten and a half. That will
Speaker 1: be my teaser. Uh, coronation, do you want to read
Speaker 1: gills teaser? Gill's teaser is Las Vegas Raiders plus nine,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because he also has the Chargers minus
Speaker 1: three in the in the other in the picks, So
Speaker 1: that's interesting that he likes the Raiders Raiders plus nine
Speaker 1: and he has the woftis minus a half. And that's
Speaker 1: the Giants quitting story. Okay, I have the Wolf. Thee's
Speaker 1: as well. Agree with Frank. Everybody's on the Wolf. And
Speaker 1: then I've taken the Falcons up to ten and a half.
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons win this game. Actually, Hill is awful.
Speaker 1: It's really bad. I mean they beat. They beat a
Speaker 1: god awful Carolina team because of their defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: this could be a look at the total in this
Speaker 1: game of forty. I mean, I think this game is
Speaker 1: gonna be a little I just think the Falcons in
Speaker 1: the snow and they were down two scores and Buffalo
Speaker 1: was about to go up by twenty before half, and
Speaker 1: somehow they found themselves ahead and they fought in that game.
Speaker 1: I think I think that Atlanta is better here. I
Speaker 1: didn't use him as one of my place because four
Speaker 1: and a half, but I'm gonna use him in the teaser.
Speaker 1: I think I think they win this game. I would
Speaker 1: be shocked if Taysom Hill and company can put up
Speaker 1: twenty plus points here in this game. I don't think
Speaker 1: Taysom Hills an NFL quarterback. I think they always knew
Speaker 1: he was in an NFL quarterback and they're just holding
Speaker 1: on for dear life with Taysom Hill. But they have
Speaker 1: a good defense. Taysom Hill is not ready to be
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterbacks, So how can you lay a million points?
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. I mean, this is I totally agreeing. How
Speaker 1: good do you think the Saints would have been if
Speaker 1: Jamis had been healthy off better. Actually, like for as
Speaker 1: for as bad as Jamis bad, Jamis's he he didn't
Speaker 1: make plays, I mean throw five thousand yards on the
Speaker 1: season like he He's not just incompetent, he just falls
Speaker 1: apart at the wrong time. So I think they would
Speaker 1: have been you know, ten eleven wins by now. If
Speaker 1: if it takes him to dr I think they pass
Speaker 1: him and Trevor simeon this far, I think Jamis would
Speaker 1: have been better for him. Okay, We're gonna go with
Speaker 1: the final two questions that we do every week, Frank,
Speaker 1: which of the big favorites is most likely to lose
Speaker 1: this week? It will define the big favorites? Is uh
Speaker 1: seven or more? So here are your choices, the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the Colts, the Bills, the Bucks or the Titans. All
Speaker 1: these teams favored by more than a touchdown, which one
Speaker 1: is most likely to lose? Out right? Yeah? I did
Speaker 1: think about the Titans, but it's hard to come back Houston.
Speaker 1: I just I'm just gonna say the box because I
Speaker 1: know arians are saying, we're all gonna we're gonna play this,
Speaker 1: We're gonna block what do the Bucks have to play
Speaker 1: for this week? And there if they lose. Mike Evans
Speaker 1: were drunk this week. Their offense is dust at that point,
Speaker 1: like they are very thin on offense, and I think
Speaker 1: it's point the Bucks are just gonna say, all right,
Speaker 1: well we'll get a series out of Brady and just
Speaker 1: get everybody out of there. Let's let's prepare for next week.
Speaker 1: It's tough to back the Panthers. They're awful. They're really
Speaker 1: really bad football team. I mean, my goodness, it's tough
Speaker 1: to watch them. But I think if there's one team
Speaker 1: that's out of those big papers are just gonna lay
Speaker 1: a egg because they don't really care that much and
Speaker 1: they don't have anything to play for, and they're just
Speaker 1: trying to get out of this thing without an injury.
Speaker 1: And they've also dealt with this whole An Totio Brown
Speaker 1: circus all week. I guess the Bucks are locked into
Speaker 1: the three. Right, they can't go down because they own
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker with Dallas. So yeah, I think they could
Speaker 1: move up to two. Yeah, that's a really narrow runway
Speaker 1: they got to land on there. Todd, what if what
Speaker 1: if the Bucks actually have something structurally wrong with them?
Speaker 1: They lost nine nothing, right, I mean, how did they
Speaker 1: score zero. I know, I know Saints are good, but
Speaker 1: nine nothing. Then they had to for all for everything
Speaker 1: they owned. They had to get that Jets game. And
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I had a money line parlay
Speaker 1: in game on that. I was like, I can't believe this,
Speaker 1: but they might lose this game to the Jets. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is unbelievable that their life and death to beat
Speaker 1: the Jets. Maybe there's they're just not that good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's quite possible the Buccaneers are not this vaunted team
Speaker 1: that everyone thinks that they are, you know, especially with
Speaker 1: all these injuries at the receiver position. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on on that one. Frank, I think
Speaker 1: I think to make some great points about the Bucks.
Speaker 1: So that's spend a little shaky, a little shaker, and
Speaker 1: anybody watch it. I'm todd. I was watching that game.
Speaker 1: I thought that Sala did a lot of things to
Speaker 1: lose that game. One, when you're up to scores in
Speaker 1: the ball in a second, if you can't run against
Speaker 1: the Bucks, so there's no point of trying to run
Speaker 1: the ball to kill Clark. Start to keep using your
Speaker 1: passing game advanced too. Yeah, I did think about that.
Speaker 1: Fourth and that was the one that I was questioned like,
Speaker 1: I didn't questioned Cincinnati want is much. I thought that
Speaker 1: one was worth Yeah, I would have kicked the field
Speaker 1: goal and make Brady score and then have to go
Speaker 1: to overtime and beat you because you're you were moving
Speaker 1: the ball on Tampa Bay, throwing it the whole game,
Speaker 1: the whole game. Absolutely, I agree. I thought that was questionable.
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't hate the decision. I hated to play
Speaker 1: like you're trying to sneak it up forth and now, like,
Speaker 1: but the decision like let's knock Brady out right now.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it. I really, alright. I agree with
Speaker 1: both of you guys. I think it's by the way
Speaker 1: one Mike, you one more thing. What about the b
Speaker 1: y U quarterback? Maybe you could be okay, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think maybe. Look, I know you just rolled your
Speaker 1: eyes and me, but maybe he's maybe he's got something.
Speaker 1: What do you think seems nothing? Seems small to me.
Speaker 1: It just seems small. Frank, What about you? What do
Speaker 1: you think about him? Do you think you could be? Okay?
Speaker 1: I think he might be the talents there, But it
Speaker 1: is troubling that the Jets A played three other quarterbacks
Speaker 1: this year, and all three looked better than than the kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, even Joe Flacco for that game he had
Speaker 1: to play, was like, oh Mike White, who had never
Speaker 1: heard of I literally was like, who's like White? Oh?
Speaker 1: I watching here? And then Josh john And played too,
Speaker 1: and against Indian he looked fine. So when you've played
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks in the year and Zach Wilson's the look
Speaker 1: fourth best out of those guys, it's a little trouble,
Speaker 1: really tumbling, really troubling with Mike White. I mean he
Speaker 1: let Illinois to the roast Bull forty years ago and
Speaker 1: still look better. That's a great God, that's a great
Speaker 1: I just thought the last couple of weeks. I thought
Speaker 1: early in the season looked horrendous. The last couple of
Speaker 1: weeks I thought he looked okay. And the talents. I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up on anybody after what ten starts like
Speaker 1: how many? Yeah, I'm not giving up on anybody. But
Speaker 1: there's some problems like bigger honestly, I think a bigger
Speaker 1: question Trevor Lawrence, Like everybody wants to give him a
Speaker 1: pass urban the Jaguars, He's got to own his stuff
Speaker 1: at some point. He has missed every throw I've seen
Speaker 1: him make. He has not looked at any point like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is Trevor Lawrence Hubert prospect, Like maybe we're just
Speaker 1: giving him a pass for no good reason and he's
Speaker 1: not as good as well. That's the thing. If you
Speaker 1: played for Clemson and you get to stand back there
Speaker 1: and nobody comes anywhere near you in college, how do
Speaker 1: you even know if these guys are going to be good?
Speaker 1: You know, that's the whole, you know, crazy thing. He
Speaker 1: also had great running games at Clemson with him too, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's and that's what he was. He was
Speaker 1: feuding with Urban about about not using the running game
Speaker 1: at all and throwing the ball times a game. He's
Speaker 1: used to going into the two set where they had
Speaker 1: to respect the running game, and they couldn't, you know,
Speaker 1: they couldn't just drop back five guys in nickel all
Speaker 1: the time against him in college. You're right, Toddy had
Speaker 1: a lot of open throws. Kenny Pickett also, by the way,
Speaker 1: be very very very careful. I'm not a Kenny. I
Speaker 1: love pitting football, of course, you know, I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: bet against him all the time. But um, by the way,
Speaker 1: that ball game is unbelievable loss. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys were watching the Pit Bowl game when they're
Speaker 1: getting three and a half and they're ahead by eleven
Speaker 1: and the fourth quarter and somehow didn't cover because that
Speaker 1: interception at the end. Thank god I didn't have that.
Speaker 1: I had Michigan State plus six and haf thin game.
Speaker 1: But the Kenny Pickett. I don't think Kenny Pickett is
Speaker 1: gonna be a big time quarterback. I know he's the
Speaker 1: best either, considering him the best coming, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be like they'll think, oh Kenny Pickett,
Speaker 1: and he'll end up like an NFL backup. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see it with Kenny Pickett. What do you
Speaker 1: think about our doozy? I think nar Doozy is okay
Speaker 1: for I think he's okay for Pitt. I mean, remember
Speaker 1: Pitt can't recruit the way these I mean, this is
Speaker 1: a city school. It's not like one of these big power,
Speaker 1: you know, teams like Clemson, and it's certainly not an
Speaker 1: SEC type of team. You know, Pitt's a city school.
Speaker 1: It's not really you know, it's it's Pit's really more
Speaker 1: like Cincinnati is and Cincinnati was like, oh wow, it's
Speaker 1: amazing Cincinnati made made the college football playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: Nardozy remember how bad Pitt was before Nardozy. Pitt had
Speaker 1: some horrendous seasons, absolutely horrendous. So you know, I thought,
Speaker 1: our joy is not that bad. You You obviously don't
Speaker 1: like him. Is that why you're asking me that? Like
Speaker 1: he does some questionable things? Yeah, I know, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's great. I'm just saying for Pitt, it's you know,
Speaker 1: who are they gonna get? Was going to Pit to
Speaker 1: be the coach right and hold out to Paul Chris.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Paul Chris isn't even great Chrisconsin Wisconsin alone,
Speaker 1: so he's good for what Wisconsin is gonna I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're mad at him this week because of what happened
Speaker 1: in the last four downs. He had to cover the
Speaker 1: spread seven and a half. That was Anyways, Mikey, what
Speaker 1: are we up to? And we're up to that Bizarro
Speaker 1: question where if you could bet every body every game
Speaker 1: on the board, but you could only pick one. You
Speaker 1: had to bet every game on the board, but you
Speaker 1: could pick one not to bet which game would it be?
Speaker 1: Which game do you want no part of Frank's vikings.
Speaker 1: This is easy. This might be out of all however,
Speaker 1: many games around the entire schedule, this that might be
Speaker 1: the one. How could you even have an angle here?
Speaker 1: And then today Justin Fields goes on to COVID so
Speaker 1: we're not even getting him. We're getting holes and the vikings.
Speaker 1: Both coaches are gonna get fired the Viking My quit
Speaker 1: on Mike Zimmer after Telemanto to the bus, who knows
Speaker 1: what you're getting out of this game? Please? No, I
Speaker 1: have no no desire Todd Bengals Brown's obviously by the line,
Speaker 1: it seems like the Bengals are not going to be
Speaker 1: trying um and the Browns? Who what is this team?
Speaker 1: This Browns is they're confounding this team. You know, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't. I never liked Baker Mayfield. But
Speaker 1: now they're just like going to the entire other way.
Speaker 1: Now he's like the worst quarterback of all time. He
Speaker 1: actually could be okay if he would stop throwing the
Speaker 1: ball to the other team. You know, he he's really
Speaker 1: not that bad. If he would just stop the interceptions.
Speaker 1: They have a running game. Why are they not pounding
Speaker 1: the ball with Chubb. I don't understand this team. I
Speaker 1: don't want any part of that last ridiculous game. I'm
Speaker 1: going to agree with Frank bears vikings here um meaningless game.
Speaker 1: Very disappointing for Minnesota. They thought there would be a
Speaker 1: playoff team this year. I know we talked to Paul
Speaker 1: Allen before the year. He said he'd be shocked if
Speaker 1: they didn't win eleven games. And they had, you know,
Speaker 1: all those games that came down to the final player
Speaker 1: early and then the unvaccinated Cousins is out and the
Speaker 1: season just they they just got behind him. They were
Speaker 1: always but behind the chains in terms of a season,
Speaker 1: uh for the Viking. So I really want I want
Speaker 1: no part of it. I agree with Frank. I think
Speaker 1: they're both out. But what about Jackie Cheryl? I thought
Speaker 1: Jackie Cheryl recruited pretty well at pit. That was in
Speaker 1: our heyday. That was in our heyday before it all
Speaker 1: fell apart in the early eighties and our heyday we
Speaker 1: were serious, of course, but that was before the you know,
Speaker 1: college football landscape changed. You know, that was when they're
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you ever watched these youtubes,
Speaker 1: And sometimes I get stuck on YouTube. I'm looking watching
Speaker 1: these nineteen seventies seven Tony Dorset against uh, you know,
Speaker 1: or against Notre Dame and Dan Marino against Syracuse, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember that when I was eleven, and
Speaker 1: it's like, it's just but that was that was a
Speaker 1: different world when it wasn't. It wasn't Jackie Chryl the
Speaker 1: wan that castrated the bowl in front of it. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was a m that was okay, that one of
Speaker 1: the Alzheimer's, one of the all time great stories, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's fire these kids up. Okay, And you know, Pitch
Speaker 1: should have won another title with Jackie Sherrow. Of course,
Speaker 1: they won under Johnny Majors. Then Johnny Major's left and
Speaker 1: they had Jackie Cheryl and Pitt was like number one
Speaker 1: a couple of those seasons and just couldn't get it
Speaker 1: done to win the national title even with Marino. And
Speaker 1: we had a couple of times we were finished just barely,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, but they beat they beat Duly and
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs in that Sugar Bowl. Remember with Marino, they
Speaker 1: beat Herschew Walkers, John Brown. Yeah, of course that that
Speaker 1: was but we weren't. But we weren't playing for it
Speaker 1: because they lost. Yeah they were eight or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we we took the leader. That was I remember
Speaker 1: that was a huge game. Pit Pen State. Pit Penn
Speaker 1: State used to be like a serious thing and it
Speaker 1: was like Auburn and uh, you know Alabama. It was
Speaker 1: like a serious, serious rivalry and you know whatever. They
Speaker 1: called it the Or Bowl at the Iron Bowl, but
Speaker 1: the Or Bowl. Uh, all right, Frank, we want to
Speaker 1: thank you for joan us today. You've been at the
Speaker 1: River a guest to the megapod, and you are continue
Speaker 1: to be for our show odds on and as well
Speaker 1: as across the Vista landscape. So thank you for taking
Speaker 1: the time. There's a pleasure, guys. This is a ton
Speaker 1: of I'm talking about with you, guys. Todd, Thank Todd.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all to help you've been to Gil
Speaker 1: through this very tough time, and for and soldiering on
Speaker 1: and getting the megapod done. For all the trip trip
Speaker 1: tempers and the RAJ bodies that really you know, live
Speaker 1: only by vicariously through this megapod. So we were we
Speaker 1: were able to do it, and we thanked them, and
Speaker 1: of course Gil is in our thoughts and our prayers,
Speaker 1: as well as his whole family as they lay his
Speaker 1: dad to rest today. That's it for us, Week eighteen
Speaker 1: of the NFL, the Beating, the Book Megapod. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Frank Schwab, Todd wishing IF and Mike Palm wishing you
Speaker 1: all the great weekend.