1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito so called boyfriend Brian Laundry still on the run. 2 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Where is he in the last twenty four hours? A 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: credible sighting on the Appalachian Trail. This as more body 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: camp footage is uncovered from the MOAP police. Wow, why 5 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: wasn't that released two or three weeks ago? Why are 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: we just getting it now? Was there a cover up? 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: Because it reveals Gabby had a burning cut, a gash 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: to her face, and bruises on her left arm. Nobody 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: heard that. At the Get Go Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 10 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Not only do we have the signing on the Appalachian Trail, 11 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the brand new body camp footage, but also we are 12 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: now learning the sister has more contact with Brian Laundry 13 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: than she first revealed. Where is Brian Laundry? We are 14 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: live from Florida, We are live at the Appalachian Trail. 15 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: We are alive on peace at Peace River. Guys, thank 16 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: you for being with us. I'm Nancy Grace, this scribe stories. 17 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us at Fox Nation and 18 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: Sirius XM one eleven regarding that new signing of Brian 19 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Laundry at Appalachian Trail, listen to this and I was 20 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: coming up from Florida on Friday, dude hiking the Appalachian Trail. 21 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: I got up here to the North Carolina See area 22 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: at about twelve thirty so early Saturday morning. I was 23 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: marking my car at a parking lot where we were 24 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: going to be leaving our car. And I passed the 25 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: parking lot, so I was doing a U turn to 26 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: go back to it. And as I was doing that 27 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: U turn, a vehicle approach from behind me. The vehicle 28 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: let me go ahead and finish my U turn, And 29 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: as I was driving up to that vehicle, the gentleman 30 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: in the vehicle stuck his hand out and kind of 31 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: waved me down. I pulled up alongside of the vehicle. 32 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: It was it looked like a four to f one 33 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 1: fifty truck. It was white. I was in a car, 34 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: so I was lower than the vehicle. I wrote, rolled 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: my window down, and I started talking with the gentleman. 36 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: I could tell right away that he wasn't something wasn't 37 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: right with him. Dennis Davis, the hiker who made the identification, 38 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: joining us. That sound from him, but I want you 39 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: to hear more sound from him. Take a listen. It 40 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: took him a second to get anything out, and then 41 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: he said, man, I'm lost, and I thought, you know, 42 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I was kind of lost myself. I thought maybe he 43 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: was another hiker looking for the same part. And I said, well, 44 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: I'm not from around here, but where are you trying 45 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: to what are you trying to find? And he said, man, 46 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: I need to go to California. And I was like, wow, well, 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: I don't know the directions to California, but he said yeah. 48 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: He said, me and my girlfriend had a fight and man, 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: I love her and she called me and I need 50 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: to go out in California to see her. And I said, well, man, 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: I forty is right there. We were right next to 52 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: High forty and I said, you can take High forty 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: west in California and he said no. He said, I 54 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: think this road said we're on. I'm just going to 55 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: take it to California. And that was Waterville Road. Waterville 56 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Road right a long Pigeon river as I recall. Let 57 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: me introduce you an all star panel helping us make 58 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. Dell Carson, high 59 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: profile lawyer joining us from Florida and former fit an 60 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: agent with the FBI, author of a rest Proof Yourself 61 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: You can find him at Dell Carson Law dot com. 62 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Founder and ATROM the Coldcase Research Institute. Cheryl McCollum is 63 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: joining us. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org. 64 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 65 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: Feet at Star and host of his own new podcast, 66 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: Bodybags with Joe Scott Morgan. Also with Me Massa's Side 67 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: special guest investigative reporter WFLATV. But first I want to 68 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: go to Mike Hatsell, President, Founder, Peace River Canine Search 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and Rescue PR SAAR dot org. Mike, thank you for 70 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: being with us. What do you know, Well, we were 71 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: working with dog all week out there Fort de Soto. 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: We know that for the family members were out there, 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: three of them came back. We don't believe that Brian 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: was with them on the return, unless he was hiding 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: in the camper or in the sisters trunk to avoid 76 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: the camp foot is going in and album. Wait, whoa, whoa, woa, 77 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: whoa Wait a minute, you say you know for family members, 78 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: I assume you're referring to the Laundry family, and that 79 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: would be the mother, the father, the sister, and Brian 80 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Laundry went into DeSoto? Is that correct? Correct? And you 81 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: say you know only three left? I assume that's the mother, 82 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: the father, and the sister. Is that correct? Correct? How 83 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: do you know that? According to the intelligence gathered from 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: mister Bowney hunter what he brought in and there's cam 85 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: footage and they have people going in and out of there. 86 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Apparently that has been reviewed. Interesting. Do they have Mike 87 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: hat tell everyone joining us president founder piece every K 88 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: nine Search and Rescue. I'm gonna get to your dog 89 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: in just a moment, Mike again, thank you for being 90 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: with us at Dosto. Do they have a camera set 91 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: up where people go in and out? There's cams all 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: over the place out there. I'm glad to hear that. 93 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: So I can only assume the FEDS know who went 94 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: in and who went out? Are you certain about four 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: and three out the intelligence that we got on the 96 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: briefing for the search, that's what we received. Wow, And 97 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: that's when the family packed up and left. Was it 98 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: September eleven that they checked in six? Yeah, it was 99 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: earlier on in the month. That's great. Earlier in the month, Okay, 100 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: because reportedly he was sighted after that. Mike cat Sell 101 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that sighting is correct. I agree 102 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: with you because you know you driver in your neighborhood 103 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: and you see things. Are you always sure which day 104 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: it was? Which day did you drive buy and see 105 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: the the trash chill at the end of the driveway, 106 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: or the newspapers biled up at somebody's house. Was it Monday? 107 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: Was it Wednesday? You know you saw it, but what 108 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: day did you see? At very good point, tell me 109 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: about your dogs. I remember seeing your dogs during tire 110 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: king and they were doing an incredible job. Tell me 111 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: about what, if any in all but your dogs have 112 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: had in the search for Brian laundry. Well, what we've 113 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: done is when we were contacted by Dogs Organization to 114 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: assist and searching these outer islands and if we could 115 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: supply can out and support and of course in our 116 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: organization will help if we can. And we're nonprofit, No 117 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: one gets paid where we're at. We do this just 118 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: to assist and we went out to help them with 119 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: the islands. Now, the islands out there, we have a 120 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: lot of experience with this. We have teams that search 121 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: on the islands quite a bit, especially for missing kids. 122 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Some of them go out there to hurt themselves. So 123 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: we're pretty experienced about this and we were ready to 124 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: do this and use the dogs. Now, the dogs are 125 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: trained on air scent, human air scent, and they will 126 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: work from the boat, and like I said, we'll get 127 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: on the down wind side of the islands. If they 128 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: throw an alert, then we'll beach the boat and we'll 129 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: send a team in and take a look and see 130 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: what's there. And that is how we located a couple 131 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: of the camps that we found in there in the 132 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: on the Ford de Soto area. Question Mike Hazell joining me, President, 133 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: Founder Piece River Canine Search and Rescue. Do you believe 134 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: you found evidence that Brian Laundry had been there? You know, 135 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: we found evidence that someone's been out there. There's no 136 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: way to tie up to Brian at this point, so 137 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: I would be it would be intellectually dishonest to say 138 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: that we do it is Brian. Okay, let me ask 139 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: you another question. Do you have reason to believe he's 140 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: still out there? No, I don't think he's still out there. 141 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: I think he was out there, but I think he's 142 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: gone now. I think that's very astute of you. Okay, 143 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: I want to go from Mike Hatzel joining us, who 144 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: has been out in and on the water all around 145 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: De Soto with his dogs looking for any human. I 146 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: call them island ets or islets. They're they're very small, 147 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: but they are land formations up to some degree off 148 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: the I hate to say, a coast, but off the 149 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: inland of Desto where the parents went, we believe. With 150 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: the sister and Brian Laurendry, I'm coming right back to 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: you my hat sil Crime Stories with Nancy Grace First 152 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: joining me from the Appalachian Trail. Cheryl McCollum, Cheryl Poltie 153 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Massa said, joining me, special guest investigative reporter w FLA TV. 154 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: Tell me about the tip from this guy, Dennis Davis 155 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: on the Appalachian Trail. What does he say happened? Massa? So, 156 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Dennis Davis the Florida residence, says that it was just 157 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: past weekend, Saturday, around midnight, so obviously it's going to 158 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: be dark. He says that he saw a pickup truck 159 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: and immediately, like when he starts to talk with this man, 160 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: he thought maybe the guy was on drugs. At first, 161 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: what something was off with this man? And he got 162 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: to talking to the guy, and he said, me and 163 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: my girlfriend had a fight, and apparently, as you heard 164 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: off the top of the show, he wanted to take 165 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: the back roads to California. Now, after this happened, after 166 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: this kind of strange conversation happened, he stopped. He googles 167 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry, and he says that he is ninety five 168 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: percent sure that he just had a conversation with Brian Laundry. 169 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: So he calls that CI. He calls multiple LA enforcement agencies, 170 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: including the Haywood County Sheriff's Office. Now, the Sheriff's office 171 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: says that they looked into this and it did not 172 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: quote lead to any new information. But Nancy, they also 173 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: had ten more sightings this weekend of their Okay, wait, 174 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,599 Speaker 1: what did you do that? Ten more signings on the 175 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail? Is that what you're talking about? Massa on 176 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail? So yeah, Haywood County telling outlets they've 177 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: had ten additional sightings so in and around Haywood County 178 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: since that would be their jurisdiction. Ten additional signing. Okay, 179 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: let's go to the Appalachian Trail. Cheryl McCollum, you and 180 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: I have hiked the Appalachian Trail. It is some rugged 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: terrain once you get into it, I mean right there 182 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: at the trailhead and look say hey, no big deal. 183 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: After about twelve fifteen minutes you realize it's very rugged. 184 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: Let's analyze what this guy said. First of all, Cheryl, 185 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what you see and 186 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: whether this story by Davis is possible. If it is, 187 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: I'd like to know where Brian Laendry got a white 188 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: pickup truck. Did his parents give it to him, his sister. 189 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: That's the first we've heard of that. And why would 190 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: anybody be so stupid if they know the whole country's 191 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: looking for them for him, Why would he say where 192 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: he's going? It just doesn't make sense. But you tell 193 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: me what you think, Cheryl McCallum, you're there on the scene. Well, 194 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: right now it is raining. Fall of course is in activity. 195 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: It makes them much more difficult to traverse the pathways 196 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: and the hiking trails. Literally walk, he walked maybe ten 197 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: feet can you hear me now? Okay? Walk? Literally he 198 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: walked into the woodline about ten feet ahead of me, 199 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: and I lost visual with him just that quick. It's 200 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: that dense right now. Like I said, it's raining. The 201 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: smoke on top of the mountain, that fog is hanging 202 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: real heavy. Once we get more to the top, visibility 203 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: is almost zero. So it's you know, it's a perfect 204 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: place to hide. I'm telling you you, if you get 205 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: off the trail not even ten feet, nobody can see you. 206 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: Now where he allegedly got a truck, I have no idea, 207 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: but I will tell you, in my opinion, the biggest 208 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: difference in the Appalachian Trail in Florida is mountain folks 209 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: ain't talking. I tried to talk to an old mountain 210 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: woman last night and she told me, you hit that 211 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: gravel road with no sign. It's it ain't none of 212 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: your business. Okay, I'm just soaking in your vernacular. Okay, 213 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: I want to talk to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us. 214 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I know that Dell Carson and Cheryl McCollum 215 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: are going to know exactly what I'm talking about. I've 216 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: had so many defendants, so many targets, so many codefendants, 217 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: so many suspects start talking, and when they start talking, 218 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: almost always, I thought it was anecdotal at first, but 219 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: then I noticed it over and over and over. I'm 220 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: talking thousands, thousands, over ten thousand witnesses and or defendants. 221 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: They'll start talking and they weave a little bit of 222 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: the truth into their lie, their story. I guess too, 223 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: because they can't think fast enough to come up with 224 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: an entirely new story, or it helps them with their 225 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: story they don't have to think so much. But this 226 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: guy that was spotted by Dennis Davis, who was at 227 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: a trailhead there in Tennessee on the North Carolina line, 228 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: exactly where Cheryl McCollum is right now. This guy said, 229 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I had a fight with my girlfriend, but I love 230 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: her and I've got to I want to go back 231 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: out west to her. Think about it. A girlfriend at 232 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: West had a fight separated. That's a lot of detail, 233 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: would you agree, Nancy, is a lot of detail. It's 234 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: a strange confessional. I think sometimes these perpetrators, they have 235 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: gone over the story so many times in their mind, 236 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: they have altered the details to their own favor, their 237 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: own benefit. It's as if they're already in front of 238 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: a judge or jewelry, or in a room with a 239 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: detective questioning them, and they're lining up the story just 240 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: so it is foremost on their mind, and is this 241 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: was Brian Laundry. He had rehearsed the story. So yes, 242 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: with these perfect treators, there's a strange kind of confessional. 243 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: But Nancy, there's always one detail they change, and you 244 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: usually the detail that the exactly what happens. We're hearing 245 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall Psycho Alice to the Stars joining us 246 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: out of Beverly, out of La Star of Bleeding Empire 247 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: on Netflix, Cheryl, what about it? There's no doubt in 248 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: my mind, Nancy, that if he has any conversations with anyone, 249 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: whether he's in Barida, the Appalata Trail, anywhere, he's going 250 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: to have what we call leakage, he's going to say 251 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: some things that are absolutely true and accurate. It also 252 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: sounds to me like if that gentleman did have a 253 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: conversation with Brian Laundry, that Brian is having some types 254 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: of psychotic episodes. Okay, Cheryl, I'm sorry, but when did 255 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: you get your psychiatric degree? Nancy, I absolutely do not 256 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: have one. Alm. Okay, so why are you saying psychic 257 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: psychotic episode? You know I've been doing this all these years. 258 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm not totally sure I understand what it'sychotic episode is. 259 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like this guy wanted directions and 260 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: it's called c YA. That's a technical legal term psychotic episode. 261 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: My rear end, what are you talking about? Psychotic episode? 262 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: He could still drive, he could still lie, he could 263 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: still act for ask for directions. He could also have 264 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: the wherewith all to say, you know what I hear 265 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: you're saying to take I forty, But I'm just gonna 266 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: stick right here along the Pigeon River. That doesn't sound 267 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: psychotic to me. He said he got a phone call 268 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: from Gabby. He's talking about Lord and meeting her. That 269 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: would be a lie. Okay, doctor McCollum, I'll circle back 270 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: with you on that, Joe Scott. Let's try to distance 271 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: ourselves from Cheryl McCollums psychiatric diagnosis and talk about what 272 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: we know regarding forensics. What do we know regarding forensics? 273 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: And I'm also going to get into the sister and 274 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: the parents, are any of them facing charges? But first 275 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: its sighting this signing along with ten others on the 276 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail. Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about that ten people, 277 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering. I'm wondering is this just people kind 278 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: of chiming in and say, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I 279 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: think I saw him as well, Yeah yeah, Because you know, 280 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of in this hyper vigilant state right now 281 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: where they're looking and you can see shadows right, It's 282 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: like it's like being terrified of something and automatically you're 283 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: seeing ghosts and goblins everywhere. You don't know if this 284 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: is actually Ran laundry, But listen, from an investigator standpoint, 285 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: the police are compelled to follow up on each one 286 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: of these leads because it's the one lead that you 287 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: don't follow up on that winds up getting you burn. Now, 288 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: is he up there? I have no idea crime stories 289 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Let's look at the totality of the 290 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: circumstances as we know them. I'm gonna throw this to 291 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: Dell Carson, former FBI agent, high profile lawyer now out 292 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville. You just heard Mike had Cell right, And 293 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: I know who Mike Hadsell is. I've seen his dogs 294 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: in action. He says he doesn't think Brian Laundry is 295 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: anywhere near De Soto anymore. He thinks he was there, 296 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: but he's not there. Anymore. We don't think he's in 297 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve anymore. Okay, take that, put that in in 298 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: your computer. Del Carson. Let's add to that he's hiked 299 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Shell before. We know criminals always go back 300 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: to where they're comfortable. Scott Peters went out on the 301 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: water to dump a body. It's happens over and over. 302 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: A guy goes, jumps bond. Where is he. He's hiding 303 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: under the bed at Mommy's house. He's familiar with it, 304 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: he's comfortable with it. Laundry has hied the Appalation trail before, 305 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: he's comfortable with it. So we've got he's not down 306 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: at Carlton Reserve, He's not at DeSoto. So where is he? 307 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: He's hiped Appelaian Shell before. Here's the guy giving this 308 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: statement about his conversation with a Brian Laundry lookalike, and 309 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: then ten other sightings. What do you think, Neal Carson? Well, 310 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: I agree with Joe that it's just people saying, well, 311 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: I think I saw him too. Oh okay, do you 312 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: remember that skit that Carson used to do. I vaguely 313 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: remember it. It was called the Mighty Karnak. Remember he 314 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: could read people's minds. So from where you're sitting in 315 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: your luxurious office in Jacksonville, I guess, looking out over 316 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: the river and your leather turnaround chair, you have divined 317 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: that all these people were mistaken. Is that right, Doll Carson? 318 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Yeah, listen, I think he's still in the 319 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: Florida area. But when we look at the sisters now 320 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: involved in potentially transporting him, the family's clearly involved with 321 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: having something to do with transporting him. But under Florida law, 322 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: and unless they know he's guilty of a crime or 323 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: been charged with a crime, you can't charge them with 324 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: aiding and abetting. So then it becomes a time lie, 325 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: old don Let's talk about the law in Florida. I've 326 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: been doing a little research on the law in Florida 327 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: and I came upon Florida's Statute seven seven seven dot 328 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: O three, and it discusses how there are certain exemptions 329 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: for family members that try to help out another family 330 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: member in trouble with the law. And it's very clear 331 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: to me, if the market is charged with murder one 332 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: or murder two, that's not going to fly, all right. 333 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: You can't help out somebody facilitate them in a crime. 334 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: That's a lot different from giving your son sustenance, giving 335 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: him money, giving him food, letting him borrow a vehicle. 336 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: They're not going to go to jail for that. But 337 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: if they lied to police, to the Feds, that is 338 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: a crime. Delle Carson, Absolutely it is. And I'd love 339 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: to know the conversation that occurred when they put the 340 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Landry parents in that police vehicle where there's no expectation 341 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: of privacy and they're conversing between themselves with nobody else 342 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: in the car. Well, I've got a pretty good idea 343 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: what they said, Dell Carson. I don't think they said 344 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: a thing. And Cheryl McCom I'll tell you why. Under 345 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: our law, as you know, Cheryl, from all the crimes 346 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: you processed, no one has a duty to help police. 347 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to save somebody, you don't have to 348 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: give police information. That's not your duty. And if you 349 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: choose not to speak, you're not going to go to jail. 350 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: But once you lie, you're going to jail. Once you 351 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: lie to police and an investigation, it's obstruction. If they 352 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: spoke to their lawyer, and I bet they did, I'm 353 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: sure he said just don't say anything. You notice when 354 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: the press asked them questions, they never comment, They never 355 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: say a word. I bet they do the same thing 356 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: with the cops, because that way they didn't lie, and 357 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: that way they're not on hook. Absolutely right. The sister, however, 358 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: did speak, and the sister said, I haven't spoken to it. 359 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: I had had a france to speak to him at all. 360 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: And we know now for a fact that's a lie, 361 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: even though we believed it was a lie. Cheryl, she 362 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: said that on GMA. You can lie all you want 363 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: to to GMA and it's not a crime. Okay, it's 364 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: a crime if you tell that to cops. We don't 365 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: know that she said that to cops, do we I 366 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: have a little bit of wait. I think I hear 367 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: Massa said jumping in, Go ahead, Massa, jump in. So 368 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: the attorney texted me regarding that GMA interview and what 369 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: the sister said about, you know, not having spoken with them, 370 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: And the attorney said, part of his text said, quote 371 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: any prior communication. Oh I'm sorry, it says quote law 372 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: enforcement agencies are well aware of these dates. So the 373 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: attorney saying that law enforcement knows that Katsey saw Brian 374 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: on September first, when Brian stopped by Kathy's house, and 375 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 1: the attorney saying that law enforcement knows that Kassie saw 376 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: Brian of forts Asda Park on September six. So that 377 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: sounds to me from reading that text message, that she 378 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: did talk with law enforcement and gave them those dates, 379 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: because the attorney again says, quote, law enforcement agencies are 380 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: well aware of these dates. Hey Nates Again, I did 381 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: add one more thing. He don't know for sure. He 382 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: don't know for sure that Brian Laundry has ever spoken 383 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: with met with or faith time with that lawyer. I 384 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: don't think they've ever met, because I think he was 385 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: long gone. I want to circle back to Mike Hatzel, 386 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: president founder Peace River CA nine Search and Rescue. When 387 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: you say that you're convinced Brian Laundry as no longer 388 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: anywhere near De Soto where they can't we can't with 389 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: his family or the islets on the I want to say, coastline, 390 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, thank you, Tampa Bay. Are you so convinced 391 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: he's either never been there on those islets or has 392 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: been there and left. Um, well, we saw out there. 393 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: It's not as big an area as vast as you think. 394 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: And there were a lot of reports, and I will 395 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: say a lot of tips came in and reports that 396 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: Brian Landry. They had seen Brian in and around Tampa 397 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Bay UH and Saint Petersburg and and of course a dog. 398 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: The bounty hunter his crew was following up on all 399 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: those as well. So these tips just keep rolling in 400 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: and Appalachia seems too far from me. The camps that 401 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: we found out there were old, they weren't fresh, so 402 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: he may have been there and then left. If we 403 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: know that mom bought burner phones, we don't know if 404 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: the sister or the daughter bought burner phones. Why are 405 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: you so convinced that they bought burner phones? Because Massa 406 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: Saiedi joining us w FLATV. They're saying the laundes. You're 407 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: saying Brian lost his phone, the one he had been 408 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: using up until the point that he got home. Somebody 409 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: had to text mom and say, hey, I'm coming home, 410 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: Gabby's not with me because she made that reservation for three. 411 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: She changed it from two to three. The mom did, 412 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: according to reports, so he had to be communicating with 413 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: them and then he lost it. According to them, they 414 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: bought another regular self, not a Burner September fourth, Yes, 415 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: on September fourth, at and T phone purchase for They 416 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: know that, they know that mom bought, But what's the 417 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: daughter been doing? And our concern and our focus is 418 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: that the daughter lives in Lakewood Ranch, which is only 419 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Fort to Soto Park. Interesting point, why 420 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: are you so convinced that Burner finds were purchased? Well, 421 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know, but we don't know 422 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: that we don't know either. I've never no one's been 423 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: focusing on the daughter and Brian's sister. We should be 424 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: looking at her, and she would be a perfect source 425 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: of supplied that she could drive out there at any time, 426 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: thirty minutes away, drop off a bag of food by 427 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: a roadside somewhere and say, hey, Brian, I dropped off 428 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: some supplies for you, and we'll go back home. And 429 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: who would miss her? Question? Do you mind has still 430 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: Do you believe he's still in the Florida area? I do. 431 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think everyone has overestimated his wilderness skills, 432 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: and being a guy who trains people for wilderness skills, 433 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: I just I just don't buy it. Nancy, I have to. 434 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna chime in and concur with Mike here. I 435 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: gotta tell you so, Okay, I agree with both of you. 436 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't think he's made it to the Appalachian Trail. 437 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: Still go back to this idea that it would have 438 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: been very easy. Remember that camping site number one that 439 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: had the beach area. I still believe that he could 440 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 1: have launched from there in a kayak, maybe a small 441 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: kayak that his parents had purchased at a big box store, 442 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: or maybe now the sister who knows he hops out 443 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: there to those islands, and this is the thing. From 444 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: that point, From that point, he could easily get in 445 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: to the Saint Pete or to the Tampa area and 446 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: just walk on foot. I still think that there is 447 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: a high probability he could be within the homeless community 448 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: in those areas, because you can blend in, you can 449 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: live under a bridge, you can live at a shelter, 450 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: you can change your appearance just slightly, and nobody's gonna 451 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: mess with you. They have bigger fish to fry with 452 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: local crimes as opposed to look into this. And when 453 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: you get into the homeless population, which as an investigator, 454 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: I have spent a considerable amount of point at a 455 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: time in everything just becomes kind of blended. You lose 456 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: sight of things. It's like a huge jigsaw puzzle, and 457 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: so it's very very confusing. Yeah, you could see him 458 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: up on the Appalachian Trail, or maybe he's gone to 459 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Cuba and all these other things. But just from a 460 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: practical standpoint, why that part, why water access and those 461 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: little keys out there, those little islets or whatever the 462 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: phraseology is. He could hop to these population centers and 463 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: then then you have major interstates. If he decides to 464 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: hop on one of those, it can be gone. What 465 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: is kayaking that you just made up? I didn't make that? Well, 466 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: I think that, no, I think. But I also don't 467 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: know that he has a white truck either, you know, 468 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: So where does that come from? Okay, that's in. That's 469 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: a whole other can of arms. You said kayak. All right, 470 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: so now you're it's so easier to quote hop on 471 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: the interstate. How where is he getting a vehicle? I 472 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe again, here there's another wild one for you. 473 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: If you like that one, here's another one. I still 474 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: think that somebody could have gotten in my bicycle. He 475 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: puts a helmet on he's going down back roads, Nancy, 476 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: and he's avoiding contact. Glad you're not my witness on 477 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: the stand right now, because you've just gone wild. You've 478 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: gone a rogue. Jesse Scott just started starting right now. Kayak, 479 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: a vehicle, a bicycle. Okay, hey, Nancy, let me jump in, 480 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: help me save me from Jessica Morgan. Quick, I'm going 481 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: to sugar. We can talk all day, but he doesn't 482 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: have these skills that he's not at the right level 483 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: to traverse the Appalachian Trail. We can talk about what 484 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: he's doing in Florida. Here's the reality. He's been successful 485 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: for at least eighteen days. He's avoided law enforcement, he's 486 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: avoided K nine, he's avoided dogs, a bounty hunter who's 487 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: found over ten thousand ugits. So to me, that's the 488 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: skill level we're dealing with, and we need to get 489 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: to the reality of he is not going to be 490 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: phone until he scree up and I've set it from 491 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Jump Time Stories with Nancy Grace to you. Dr Bethany Marshall, 492 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: do you really think the parents would cut the cord? 493 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe. I guarantee you somehow someway 494 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: they are in touch with Brian Laundry. I guarantee you 495 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: he's somewhere with a solar charger. He's got a burner phone, 496 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: and somehow he's either texting them on a burner phone 497 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: or he's emailing them to a new account. I think 498 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: that's why they went to a public law library. What 499 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: were they going to go? What were they at? A 500 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: display of CDs from the eighties biggest hits. They have 501 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: computer access to the libraries. They can get on computers, 502 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: can get online at at the libraries, and the libraries 503 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: clear their histories every night, so you know, if you 504 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: don't get on that computer quick and find out what 505 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: they were looking at, they're going to clear it that 506 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: night and you won't be able to find out what 507 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: they were looking at. And it would be so easy 508 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: to use that burner to text or email Nancy, right. 509 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I just find it hard to believe they 510 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: totally cut the chord on you and not cut the 511 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: chord on him. And I'm going to tell you this 512 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: is a very powerful, powerful family psychology that they have 513 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: been covering up for Brian Laundry since he was a 514 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: little boy. He probably has a very very long history 515 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: of a minor infractions, maybe torturing animals, you know, the 516 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of behaviors we see in budding sociopaths where they 517 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: really don't act like the other people in society. So 518 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: I would think that there is one family member in 519 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: particular who is very invested in covering up for Brian, 520 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: and that that person is organizing everybody else. It could 521 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: be the mother, it could be the father. But you 522 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: start going to the laundry, go to their church, go 523 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: to the neighborhood coffee clutch, go to the mother's friends, 524 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: and ask who is the driving force and covering up 525 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: from Brian for Brian, and then you can begin to 526 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: understand where the energy is behind this. And I would 527 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: also bet you, Nancy, that there's another family member who's 528 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: not so sure about all of this, who is really 529 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: afraid that they are going to get in trouble at 530 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: the end of the day, who sees the big picture. 531 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: But there's a ringleader in that family. And I would 532 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: sort of be talking to the people in the neighborhood, 533 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: all the friends and finding out who is the driving 534 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: force in terms of covering up for Brian, and see 535 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: if you can get in between family members and get 536 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: the person who has the most sense to begin to talk. Guys, 537 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: we're going to take stravat. Okay, don't say why you're 538 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: on cross exam, Do not explain? Okay, is laundry and Appalachia? 539 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: Is he on the Appalachian Trail? I vote no, Mike Hatzell, No, 540 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: Bethany No Dale, Yes, Gott Yes, Cheryl McCollum, Yeah, Joe 541 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: Scott Massa. I just don't know. I knew, I knew you. 542 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: We're not going to commit is that will be an 543 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: opinion and you're the consummate reporter, you're not going to do. 544 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean I kind of feel that could go either 545 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: way since he has hiked there before. But how did 546 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: he get there? Jack? You look it up for me. 547 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: How far is De Soto where Mike had Sell is 548 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: to the Appalachian Trail to the trail head. I don't 549 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: mean the end of it. I mean the beginning of 550 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail right there at the North Carolina line. 551 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: That's gonna be eight hundred miles maybe, Yeah. How did 552 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: he get how would he make it without a vehicle? 553 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: Five hundred miles? I mean, I don't care. How great 554 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: of a woodsman, he is, how's he going to get 555 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: that far unless he's hitching, cashing a bus where he 556 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: would get caught, or he's got a vehicle. And if 557 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: he's got a vehicle, Florida is full of tolls with cameras. 558 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: So how far is it? Exactly? Jackie? Okay, have you 559 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: ever heard of Google? Is g O O? Jesus type 560 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: it in? Yeah, So we went from if we went 561 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: from Bavard, North Carolina to Tampa, this is just kind 562 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: of a rough estimate to be six hundred and twenty 563 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: miles and by car that's a I don't know. They 564 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: have it at eight hours and forty nine minutes to 565 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: make that journey. Okay, just released body cam video. Let's go, Tyler, 566 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: if you could play cut to zero eight. This is 567 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: Adrian Banker at Musication now. Fighty camera video has been 568 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: released from Gabby Potito and Brian Laundry's heated exchange in 569 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: Utah back in August. And if Potito admits she hit 570 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: Laundry first, but then he grabbed her face after and 571 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: dug his nails into her face, the officer is heard 572 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: on this camera footage this video footage telling Laundry that 573 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: he is the victim of domestic assault. The police chief 574 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: has taken a sudden leave of absence, and now the 575 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: city is looking into how the police officers involved handled 576 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: the situation when they were called to stop there with 577 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: Gabby and with Brian, and many people criticizing this incident 578 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: because the police called Brian the victim in this situation. 579 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Massa Sadi joining us 580 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: WFLA TV. How come we didn't see that bodycam video? 581 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: To start with great question, A great question and a 582 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: question that we're asking, and another question, is there any 583 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: other bodycam video that we haven't seen yet. There's a 584 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: female law enforcement officer on that scene, and she is 585 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: according to the two bodycam videos that we've seen already, 586 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: she does appear to be talking with Gabby alone while 587 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: Gabby is in the back of that police cruiser. And 588 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes a girl might reveal more information to 589 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: another to another woman, so it'd be very interesting to 590 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: see if there's any other bodycam video. I'm feel free 591 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: to chime in, but I did think I saw possibly 592 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: a camera on her uniform, So that's one big question. 593 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: But really, the new thing that happened when this video 594 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: was released the officer says, quote, did he hit you though, 595 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,240 Speaker 1: And she says, I guess yeah, but I hit him first, 596 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: and she kind of breaks down. She says, he grabbed 597 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: my face. He didn't punch me, but he grabbed me 598 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: with his nail. I definitely have a cut. I can 599 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: feel it when I touch it. It burns. So this 600 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: is what was new Gabby saying very clearly that he 601 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: also assaulted her in this way. This is something that 602 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: we did not hear us clearly. Let's try to apply 603 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: the entirety of cut two eleven. The Moai Police Department 604 00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: second bodycam footage that we didn't see initially. He walked 605 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: away to go take his own for either. But I 606 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: want to listen in the car because there all myself. 607 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: I was working on something at the moment in the 608 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: car and to me to just relax, I didn't. I 609 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: don't want to relax. So I've been bad. I mean, 610 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: I don't need to be bad. Yeah happens, don't happen. 611 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. And I just wanted to get water. Yeah, 612 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: is there someone newe here? It's like, did you get 613 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: did you get hit in the face? I was like 614 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: something like hitting in the face and then over on 615 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: your arm shoulder. Right here, there's new huh, it's kind 616 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: a new mark. Oh yeah, I don't know. I see 617 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: the other side of Okay, So what happened here and here? 618 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it wasn't find the background dog. So 619 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: she has a bruise and a cut on her face, 620 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: a bruise on her left arm, yet she was deemed 621 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: the aggressor. If Laundry had been arrested right then and 622 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: there for domestic violence in Moab, would Gabby be alive today? 623 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false nan see Grace crime 624 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: story signing off, goodbye friend,