WEBVTT - Friday Flight - Executive Order Confusion & Traveling Again #240

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I and

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<v Speaker 1>Matt and today we're discussing executive order confusion and traveling again. Yeah, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>this is our Friday Flight episode where every week we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the headlines and the news, because we want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure we are discussing how these different news stories,

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<v Speaker 1>the different changes that are happening in our country, how

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<v Speaker 1>they are affecting our money, our personal finances. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about the two that you mentioned, plus

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<v Speaker 1>a few others, you know, medium size story as well

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<v Speaker 1>as some small ones. You know, they're not all these

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<v Speaker 1>big dramatic stories, but we like to talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff out there. Yeah, a lot of interesting stuff

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<v Speaker 1>out there this week, And we talked about the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that we care about, right, because there are some some

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<v Speaker 1>even bigger stories, right, in particular, bigger political stories. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a much right Yeah, vice presidential pick for Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>But we don't talk about that stuff on the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>less about politics, I mean less about health as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like even when we do talk about COVID,

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<v Speaker 1>it's specific to you know, our money, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about here. Man. We are how some money,

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<v Speaker 1>and actually, man on that note, you know, last week

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<v Speaker 1>we were just talking about new cell phones and I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of bragging a little bit about how great

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<v Speaker 1>my old school iPhone SC is doing. And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course three days later, I was out for a run

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<v Speaker 1>and my phone slipped out of my arm band and cracked.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh the screen like shattered even more, had a little

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<v Speaker 1>crack on it. But now it's it's terrible. You told

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<v Speaker 1>me you had this old school arm arm band and

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<v Speaker 1>you put tape on it to try to keep your phone. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is actually a pretty good frugal or cheap

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<v Speaker 1>cheap move because this arm band, it's from like eight

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<v Speaker 1>nine years ago, like when Kate and I first got

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<v Speaker 1>into running, and it's slowly kind of falling apart a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and you know, I was looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>and I put the tape on there a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, but I was like, you know, the phone

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<v Speaker 1>could probably like slide out of there, out of that

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<v Speaker 1>little slot, out of that hole, and so I stuck

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<v Speaker 1>some packing tape on the arm band so that a

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<v Speaker 1>I could still see the screen, but be it would

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<v Speaker 1>hold it together. But you know, you go running and

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<v Speaker 1>you sweat, and the sweat and makes tape not sticky anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what happened, man. It was I was actually

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<v Speaker 1>not even running. It was after the run, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was walking with it and it slipped out of that

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<v Speaker 1>that spot and cracked. Well I hate that for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that such a sick feeling, you know when

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<v Speaker 1>you yeah, busted screen sucks. And but I saw what

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<v Speaker 1>you did, dude. You pulled out an even older version

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<v Speaker 1>of an iPhone that you currently have hanging around your house. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna go into all these details, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had an older iPhone sc uh that was not as

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<v Speaker 1>good because the battery isn't as good on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just backed up my my iPhone to eye cloud

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<v Speaker 1>and then just pulled off the new one. And and

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<v Speaker 1>by knowing you mean the really old one. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really old one, and just restored that back up.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now instead of you know, cutting my finger

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<v Speaker 1>on pieces of glass, now I just had these nice

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<v Speaker 1>aged cracks that are dulled a little bit where they

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<v Speaker 1>don't cut my finger. But yeah, going back to what

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<v Speaker 1>you said, though you mentioned the arm band, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a completely cheap move by you know, throwing the table

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<v Speaker 1>on there. She just bought a new arm being for

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<v Speaker 1>like five bucks to save your phone from like lots

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<v Speaker 1>of dama exactly. But at the same time, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily going to get a brand new iPhone right now. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is not me being cheap. That's just I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's me being a little more frugal because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really care that much about cell phones. Uh, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe until you get a new one and I see

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<v Speaker 1>how nice and shiny it is and it's got that

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<v Speaker 1>new electronic smell. Well, I'm still holding off on mine,

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<v Speaker 1>even though my current one likes to turn itself off

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<v Speaker 1>like two or three times today. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on there. And I gotta think at this point

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<v Speaker 1>in time, listeners are probably not taking our recommendation on

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade cycles for phones because we tend to go a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit longer, especially Gilish things a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I like your ingenuity. I like your willingness to

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<v Speaker 1>work with the old phone. I'm trying to see how

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<v Speaker 1>much longer I can slog it out to. All right, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get onto the Friday flight. The headlines we found

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<v Speaker 1>interesting this week and what those four executive orders that

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<v Speaker 1>were released on Saturday actually mean for you. But first

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to a couple of others. Matt, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about bikes, maybe way too much, but not enough. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>not enough. I agree with you. Bikes are integral man

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<v Speaker 1>bikes and beer, their hugs. They're important. But bike sales

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<v Speaker 1>are actually way up, and we talked about that earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the pandemic. But bike sales continue to just shoot

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<v Speaker 1>through the roof. And when we're talking about bikes along

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<v Speaker 1>with accessories including helmets and stuff, a billion dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>bike goods were sold in April, which is up sev

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<v Speaker 1>from the previous year. Yeah. Yeah, you and I we

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<v Speaker 1>were certainly part of that spike in demand. You bought

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<v Speaker 1>a bike for yourself. I bought a bike for my

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<v Speaker 1>four year old. Now she's riding on the bikes for

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<v Speaker 1>our kids as well. Yeah, all of this, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to believe that this is all recent, but this was

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<v Speaker 1>all this past spring, right. Yeah, everybody's like it's time,

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<v Speaker 1>like let's get out there on the bikes, and more

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<v Speaker 1>and more people are doing it, and it's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy to see the bike boom that's happening. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm seeing all my neighbors around bikes

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<v Speaker 1>more often too. Yeah, it's I'm just happy to see

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<v Speaker 1>so many more people joining us in our favorite money

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<v Speaker 1>saving pastime. Man. You know. And there was a really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting article about the major bike company Trek in Medium.

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<v Speaker 1>Will will link to that in our show notes. But

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<v Speaker 1>they mentioned how it really has been a perfect storm

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<v Speaker 1>for bike sales in so many ways, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>fear folks want to take public transfer station right, so there,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one thing. Gyms are closed, and so folks are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a way to kind of get the workout on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on top of that, like you and I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's parents out there wanting to get their

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<v Speaker 1>kids off of screens and getting them outside. Treks bike

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<v Speaker 1>sales are through the roof, and their CEO even said

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<v Speaker 1>that their their sales could have even been twice what

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<v Speaker 1>they were if they had been able to ramp up

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<v Speaker 1>production in a bigger way. Because the you know, supply

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<v Speaker 1>chains were disrupted in a lot of different components come

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<v Speaker 1>from all different parts of the world. It makes it

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to keep up with this massive spike in demand. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of crazy to read about the supply

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<v Speaker 1>chain and how there's all these different components that they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting from all over the world, you know, mostly in China,

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<v Speaker 1>but then they have to be put together. It can

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<v Speaker 1>take a hundred twenty days to actually build a bike.

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly makes me appreciate the bike manufacturing process a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more y versus me getting it at home

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<v Speaker 1>and it's ninety put together and just like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get the petals and the handlebars on well too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of crazy. Apparently their warehouse is completely empty,

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<v Speaker 1>which it must be an eerie feeling because it's this

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<v Speaker 1>enormous space that's typically full of packages of bikes, but

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<v Speaker 1>they've sold through them. Also, good luck to people out

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<v Speaker 1>there who are looking to buy a bike, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder to do right now. Speaking of new bikes, Matt, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>when I purchased my bike for the four year old,

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<v Speaker 1>we got it from ari e I, And I actually

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<v Speaker 1>just saw an article in the Wall Street Journal and

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<v Speaker 1>saying that ari I is going to sell their sweet

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<v Speaker 1>new corporate headquarters, which they never even got to use

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<v Speaker 1>due to COVID. They built this beautiful, gorgeous office space

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<v Speaker 1>new headquarters in Washington State and because of shelter in place,

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<v Speaker 1>because of more working from home. Are I realized that

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't make much sense to kind of hold onto

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<v Speaker 1>this new headquarters and that collaboration for their employees doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>require this single location. No matter how beautiful it is.

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<v Speaker 1>The renderings look incredible. I didn't actually see a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of it completed, but it's almost built as a like

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<v Speaker 1>a summer camp for adults. Like they've got like giant

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<v Speaker 1>glass lighting doors, and you know, like rooftop terraces, native

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<v Speaker 1>plants they're incorporated into the design as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally understand that things have completely changed, you know

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<v Speaker 1>in companies that they're going to start upending plans to

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<v Speaker 1>build or even get rid of current office space. But

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<v Speaker 1>even still, if I were an ARII corporate employee, I

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<v Speaker 1>would totally be bummed. But this is just another example

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<v Speaker 1>of companies of employers moving to less centralized, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>corporate offices, as we've learned that so much collaboration and

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the work that we do today can

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<v Speaker 1>be done from our individual homes. Yeah, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like ari I is gonna put some of those resources

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<v Speaker 1>instead of into that fancy building that's now on the market.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to use it to you know, speed up

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<v Speaker 1>other improvements in how they do business, and in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the customer facing stuff with touchless pickup. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I still love our I I love the return policy, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I love just everything about that company. But on that

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<v Speaker 1>note of working from home, Matt, it's no surprise that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people's electricity bills are on the rise.

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<v Speaker 1>It's getting super hot out there, and especially here where

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<v Speaker 1>we are in Atlanta, and because a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>are now in our homes twenty four hours a day,

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<v Speaker 1>our A C units are working overtime, and I know,

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<v Speaker 1>like typically when when we leave the house during the day,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we set the temperature up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and people probably aren't doing that as much because they're

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<v Speaker 1>in their homes more. The AC units are probably on

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<v Speaker 1>a good bit of the time. And that means our

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<v Speaker 1>electricity bills are going up. And there's not much that

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<v Speaker 1>we can do except for to tell you to bump

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<v Speaker 1>it up a degree or two in order to help

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<v Speaker 1>save you from an outrageous electricity bill. But one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that is important is to change your filters, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually the number one reason that a c units breakdown,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the number one reason that they're inefficient or

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<v Speaker 1>working too hard. So set a reminder or get a

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<v Speaker 1>thermostat that reminds you to change your filters, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you forget, it's totally not good for the bill you

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<v Speaker 1>might receive from an HVACT technician. That's true. Man, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a deal of the week. That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call it deal of the week for you bring it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. The movie theaters are going to be opening

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<v Speaker 1>next Thursday, specifically, AMC man. They are selling tickets for

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen cents what a ticket? Yeah, to celebrate their you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their hundredth anniversary, that's what they're saying. At least, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's also to try to like get people back

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<v Speaker 1>into the movie theaters. But they're saying that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to sell them at nine prices, you knowwy, It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, back in tickets cost fifteen cents, let's sell

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<v Speaker 1>them for a fifteen cents to lessen in inflation right there,

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<v Speaker 1>because movie movie tickets cost a whole lot more than that. Now. Yeah, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that they're not trying to sell still tickets

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty prices would be like fours, I guess exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, they're trying to entice us through the doors,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that we can't turn down that deal. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that's something that you would do, Joel, You're like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen cent tickets. I gotta be there. If I actually

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<v Speaker 1>went to movies, it would be hard to resist. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've got kids. Man, I haven't been to the movies

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<v Speaker 1>in at least a year. I got it, I guess, yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the other thing is too, is like the

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<v Speaker 1>health risk, you know, like is it worth it to

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<v Speaker 1>to go to a movie theater and be surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>by a bunch of folks? Like would you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>What if there was a movie out that you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go see and kids weren't an issue, Like would

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna watch my kids for me? Sure? Yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get it. So I saw that they're gonna require everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>required a wear masks. The capacity within the auditoriums is

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<v Speaker 1>reduced to like or less, But even still, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if I would do it. Yeah, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a hundred percent sure. Everyone's got different comfortability levels,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think because um, watching a movie is is

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<v Speaker 1>so much more of like a leisurely fun item. I

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<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't do it, Like going to get a haircut.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, I gotta get a haircut, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I could do it myself, right, But could

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<v Speaker 1>you some clippers? Yeah, I mean you do it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I need to get on that train. But I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've only done it once since some pandemic started.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd go in there and get my hair cut again.

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<v Speaker 1>But going to see a movie, even a little superfluous, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even even at the fifteen cents, I probably would have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna pull you in. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Well. The other thing I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of, too, is what are they gonna do about

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<v Speaker 1>buying popcorn and and coke? Like concessions? That's good. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean probably can't put food in your mouth, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>drink without taking off your mask. So I'm getting concessions

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<v Speaker 1>have to be shut down. Well I don't think they are.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. They say that masks have to stay

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<v Speaker 1>on except for when you, you know, are drinking, eating

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<v Speaker 1>or drinking. And I can come on, who's gonna sit

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<v Speaker 1>there during a movie watch, you know, pull down the

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<v Speaker 1>mask to throw some popcorn in there and put the

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<v Speaker 1>mask back. No, you're watching the movie, You're you're taking

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<v Speaker 1>the mask off. It's not going back on. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee it. Yeah, that's another reason probably to have wid it,

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<v Speaker 1>even those cheap Yeah. Well that's our personal recommendation, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of COVID cases here in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know there's a lot of places where it's

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<v Speaker 1>really not a concern. It's like a different world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Completely depends on where you live. Some places

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<v Speaker 1>it's all there's almost no risk involved, and then where

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<v Speaker 1>we live there's just a lot more risk involved. All right, man,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the executive order. And it's been kind

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<v Speaker 1>of confusing since on Saturday, Trump issued those executive orders

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<v Speaker 1>as Congress was like basically completely unable to strike any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of compromise on a stimulus bill, and one I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little frustrated with our politicians for their inability to

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<v Speaker 1>to work together. But then those executive orders actually created

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of confusion and people are like, huh, what

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<v Speaker 1>does this mean? And there's obviously a question of legality

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. But I think a huge part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason that these executive orders were issued was

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<v Speaker 1>actually to kind of be a goad to spur on

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<v Speaker 1>Congress towards renewing some talks to get them going in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction so that they can accomplish something meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>for the people that are hurting right now. But even

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<v Speaker 1>after those executive orders were were made, um, we're still

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<v Speaker 1>hearing nothing from from Congress on a future relief bill.

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<v Speaker 1>So it feels like there's something in report, but also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like nothing to report, right. Yeah, And it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth mentioning to I guess what was included in those orders,

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<v Speaker 1>because they might be indicative of what actually comes to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in those executive orders, federal student loan payments

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<v Speaker 1>and interest were suspended through the rest of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>Federal unemployment benefits they're supposed to continue, but now at

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<v Speaker 1>a lesser per week instead of the six hundred. There

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<v Speaker 1>was also it's kind of this confusing peril tax refral

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<v Speaker 1>thrown in there. And then there was also an eviction

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<v Speaker 1>moratorium included as well in those recent executive orders. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>even though these are orders that he issued, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit confusing because he doesn't necessarily have the power

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<v Speaker 1>to implement these things. Right Congress, they hold the power

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<v Speaker 1>of the purse, and so when it comes to changes

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<v Speaker 1>that require funding, that's something that only Congress has authority over. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll certainly keep an eye on on these executive

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<v Speaker 1>orders and whether implementation actually happens on any of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>or hopefully hopefully Congress comes to some sort of uh

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<v Speaker 1>an agreement on the next steps in regards to a

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<v Speaker 1>relief bill so that we can forget this happened altogether,

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<v Speaker 1>these executive orders and we can come up with something

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually gonna deliver money into the right places to

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<v Speaker 1>help the people that are struggling the most right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>although Joel I just saw too that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>policy experts are saying it could easily be until September

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<v Speaker 1>before an agreement is reached, and so we will, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>keep our listeners updated and posted, but I'm not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>going to hold my breath in the meantime. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, how do money listeners like as we look

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<v Speaker 1>to see what the government's going to do in regards

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<v Speaker 1>to another stimulus check or more unemployment benefits. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, we have to take control of the things

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<v Speaker 1>we can take control of, and this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>will will keep an eye on because we know it

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<v Speaker 1>impacts all of us, um But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to do our best with our own personal

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<v Speaker 1>finances in the midst of this craziness exactly. Yeah, these

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<v Speaker 1>stimulus bills aren't everything, and so Joel, We've got more

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<v Speaker 1>to get to, including good news about how Americans are

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<v Speaker 1>approaching debts and more. Right after this break. All right, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back from the break. You just asked me whether

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to go see a movie in a

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<v Speaker 1>movie theater, and you know, I think it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>probably not, But I did recently getting an airplane. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna share that with folks, So yeah, I know

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna like spill the beans. Well, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my my family and we traveled to Memphis to see

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<v Speaker 1>some of my wife's family and then they actually hung

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<v Speaker 1>out there for a good bit longer. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>to come home. So I hopped on an airplane, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will say I felt pretty safe. I was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a mask, everybody else was wearing a mask. The plane

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<v Speaker 1>was maybe full, the airport felt like a ghost town. That. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so probably not something I'm gonna do to hop across

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<v Speaker 1>the pond or something like that, or even to go

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<v Speaker 1>on vacation right now, But I didn't feel terribly unsafe

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<v Speaker 1>getting on an airplane to come home. Yeah. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that you mentioned that, man, is that we saw

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<v Speaker 1>that the U. S. State Department has lifted a global

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<v Speaker 1>advisory on international travel that was put into place five

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<v Speaker 1>months ago. And so a question I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of folks might be asking themselves is whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe to travel. So a lot of that comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to, you know, the the individual, but it also

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<v Speaker 1>kind of comes down to where we are allowed or

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<v Speaker 1>able to travel to. Right, most of the countries won't

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<v Speaker 1>let us in their borders because of our hard number

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<v Speaker 1>of new COVID cases. You know, the EU, they've lifted

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<v Speaker 1>travel bands on visitors from fourteen different countries, but the US,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, isn't one of them. So even if you

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<v Speaker 1>felt completely comfortable of flying internationally and you wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe take a little trip take advantage of any deals

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<v Speaker 1>that you may have come across, you may not even

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<v Speaker 1>be able to. Yeah, they won't let you in, So

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<v Speaker 1>don't even bother right, and yet at the same time, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>I think airplanes, you know, they're not the most dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>place to be. We had a travel expert on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months ago and he shed some light on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But a recent study shows that fifty of Americans aren't

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<v Speaker 1>ready to travel on an airplane right now, and even

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<v Speaker 1>fewer are willing to travel internationally even if they could,

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically on any flights of six hours or longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Is how the question was phrased, and that actually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of works out. So if people are okay traveling on

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<v Speaker 1>an airplane hopping to a cool desk nation, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>they want a short flight domestically, that's actually where the

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<v Speaker 1>best deals are right now. Anyway, airlines have like drastically

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<v Speaker 1>cut the amount of flights that they're sending internationally, so

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<v Speaker 1>there's just more activity going on domestically, and there's more

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<v Speaker 1>room to be able to get a deal. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in that half that fifty of people who say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mind getting on an airplane, especially if I

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<v Speaker 1>can make the trip for a whole lot less money

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<v Speaker 1>than usual, then keep your eyes peeled and search sites

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<v Speaker 1>like Google, dot Com, Slash, flights or sign up for

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<v Speaker 1>a Sitelight Scotch cheap flights so you can find some

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<v Speaker 1>of the cheapest deals. Yeah, man. And something else worth

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<v Speaker 1>noting is that you used to always find the best

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<v Speaker 1>domestic flight deals around one to three months in advance,

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<v Speaker 1>but now, because of the lack of business travelers, there

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<v Speaker 1>have been last minute deals popping up. You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>those used to be the flights that last minute business

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<v Speaker 1>travelers that they would put on their corporate card. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care about the price, or I guess you'd say

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<v Speaker 1>that they were priced and sensitive. But because there are

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<v Speaker 1>fewer of those last minute business travelers, some of those

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<v Speaker 1>seats are going for pretty cheap. And so actually, back

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<v Speaker 1>to you, when you were getting that flight from Memphis,

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<v Speaker 1>did you get a pretty good deal? Yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a really good deal Bucks one way, But actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>really good. Yeah. I use some points because I had

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<v Speaker 1>some Southwest points hanging around and Southwest. The great thing

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<v Speaker 1>is too that that's one of the reasons I like

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<v Speaker 1>booking the Southwest is because they offer you the most

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<v Speaker 1>flexibility to change a flight when you want to, and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't charge you outrageous fees to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I knew if the price goes down, I can

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<v Speaker 1>always cancel that flight rebook another one. So you keep

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<v Speaker 1>that in mind too when you're when you're booking a

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<v Speaker 1>flight and matt While while Southwest offers a lot of flexibility,

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<v Speaker 1>other airlines not so much these days, and getting refunds

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<v Speaker 1>in particular is not going well for lots of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines are currently actually holding onto billions of dollars in refunds,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making it super difficult for anyone to get

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<v Speaker 1>their money back due to no fault of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>as countries have been locked down and flights are being

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<v Speaker 1>canceled through the spring, and the hoops that they're making

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<v Speaker 1>passengers jump through in particular, it's like, it's shameful, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrible, And especially considering that the airlines received just

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<v Speaker 1>this massive amount of money sixty billion dollars as a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the stimulus build this past spring, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's even more of a slap in the face

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<v Speaker 1>to us and to everybody out there who is seeking

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a refund. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>because passenger refunds for canceled flights are this legal obligation

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<v Speaker 1>that airlines have to their customers, and they're not doing

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<v Speaker 1>it right now. They're just doing everything they can to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid giving refunds to people. Yea. And so if we

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<v Speaker 1>are describing your situation, we'd encourage you not to get

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<v Speaker 1>pushed around by the airline company and continue to demand

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<v Speaker 1>your refund. We'd recommend that you keep a log document

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<v Speaker 1>your efforts as well as you know what the airline

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<v Speaker 1>says that they'll do, but be prepared to spend some

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<v Speaker 1>time fighting for your rights. A Harvard Business Review article

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<v Speaker 1>found that the average American consumer that they spend thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>hours every year stuck on hold trying to resolve problems

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<v Speaker 1>with individual companies. You know, when you're stuck on hold

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<v Speaker 1>for an hour, it feels like thirteen hours. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're stuck on hold for thirteen hours like dog years, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like what is that in consumer years, because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it's already been seventy consumer years or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like getting that run around it's so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, the airlines are banking on the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that individual consumers are going to accept less, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or even stop fighting for their money altogether. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we want to encourage you to keep up the good

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<v Speaker 1>fight and don't fall for it. Yeah, and it's important

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<v Speaker 1>to know your rights, know what you're fighting for, know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're legally obligated to give you, and that can

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<v Speaker 1>actually help you push through the long hold times or

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<v Speaker 1>the unhelpful customer service representative. And if you're still not

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<v Speaker 1>able to get anywhere with the airline, file complaint with

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<v Speaker 1>the d o T. And there's an easy to fill

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<v Speaker 1>out online form to make your complaint heard with the authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also a really helpful section on the d o

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<v Speaker 1>T s website that discusses your rights as a flyer. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if your flight is changed so that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at your destination two or more hours after the

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<v Speaker 1>flight you originally booked, you're entitled to a massive reimbursement

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<v Speaker 1>on that one way fair and not just in a

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<v Speaker 1>voucher form, either like in cash or or a check.

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<v Speaker 1>So know your rights, fight for them. And Matt will

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<v Speaker 1>link to both of those sections of the d o

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<v Speaker 1>T website in our show notes. Nice, I would request

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<v Speaker 1>mine and two dollar bills. Those are extra special, they're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Just don't request it and change right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we talked about the recently. One other story we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to cover man was that we have seen household

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<v Speaker 1>debt decline for the first time in six years. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the past several months, consumers are paying off their credit

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<v Speaker 1>card debt, and we saw a similar pattern to this

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<v Speaker 1>during the Great Recession a decade ago. It's uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really encouraging to see people shoring up their finances in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a recession. Of course, economists and financial

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<v Speaker 1>experts are stating that the stimulus measures right, that they

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to do with that twill one time checks, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>an extra six dollars a week and unemployment for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks. That will do that for you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we can't ignore the impact that our own spending

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<v Speaker 1>has on our personal finances. With lockdown orders and an

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<v Speaker 1>ability to to go out and spend money like we

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<v Speaker 1>typically would, Americans had a lot more cash on hand

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<v Speaker 1>to aid in that debt payoff. And so I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to encourage folks as well to realize that we

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<v Speaker 1>have more of an internal locus of control than we think. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times we think that like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the economy is doing. Oh, you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>employers shut down, But we have way more control over

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<v Speaker 1>our money than we realize. That a lot of it

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with the expenses that we most definitely

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<v Speaker 1>have control over. And it always feels counterintuitive when I

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<v Speaker 1>read something like that, when unemployment has skyrocketed and people

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<v Speaker 1>are going through a hard time, how debt payoff happens

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<v Speaker 1>at a more rapid clip. But it is, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>actually encouraging to me, and it shows me too that

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<v Speaker 1>as things do start to get better, that we we

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<v Speaker 1>should maintain that focus towards paying down that debt because

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<v Speaker 1>we want to be in an even better position when

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<v Speaker 1>the next times of hardship come around, and then also too,

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<v Speaker 1>ma out with a lot of that extra money. Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people have continued investing as well. Fidelity actually shared

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<v Speaker 1>that they had record breaking contributions to retirement accounts like

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<v Speaker 1>roth iras as Americans have attempted to get their financial

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<v Speaker 1>lives in order. You know, you and I, we obviously

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<v Speaker 1>are all about investing for the long term. But for

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<v Speaker 1>those people that did continue to invest in the downturn,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's already had a payoff, as the SMP

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred has recovered to pre pandemic highs and it's

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<v Speaker 1>climbed about fifty from a low back in March. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just incredible. Yeah, it's one of those things that none

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<v Speaker 1>of us could have predicted, you know, in in mid

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<v Speaker 1>till late March or or April, that oh, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>stock market is going to be back exactly where it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the folks that did continue to invest, did

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<v Speaker 1>continue to dollar cost average during the downturn, they're reaping

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<v Speaker 1>the rewards of continuing that discipline. Yeah. In general, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think our country could use a complete mindset shift

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<v Speaker 1>and the way we handle money, and maybe this is

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<v Speaker 1>the start, you know, of that shift. Maybe this is

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<v Speaker 1>the start of maybe more folks out there donning their

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<v Speaker 1>cracked iPhones and delaying a new electronics purchase. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is encouraging to see that people are paying off debt

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<v Speaker 1>and also saving and investing more right now. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're right too. I hope this is a wake up

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<v Speaker 1>call for all of America. But I know at least

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<v Speaker 1>that our listeners are are taking these things into consideration

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<v Speaker 1>and they're making changes, because we hear about it every

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<v Speaker 1>day in our Facebook group in particular, So that's super encouraging.

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<v Speaker 1>But Joel Man that's gonna be it for this episode, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Our listeners can find our show notes up on our

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<v Speaker 1>website at how to money dot com. Yeah, and if

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<v Speaker 1>you need support in your money journey and maybe feel

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<v Speaker 1>alone right now, we'll check out our Facebook group that

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<v Speaker 1>I just mentioned. If you go to Facebook dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>just search out of money and you'll find that group

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<v Speaker 1>with thousands and thousands of other people pursuing the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing you are, paying off debt, becoming more financially independent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just an awesome place to post your money questions

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<v Speaker 1>or or gain some encouragement during these times. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, buddy. Until next time, Best friends Out, Best

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<v Speaker 1>Friends Out.