WEBVTT - Part One: A Complete History of the Illuminati 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:08.200 Balls Mahoney. This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast where 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:14.520 every week we celebrate famed wrestler Balls Mahoney, who whose 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.520 careers started in the late eighties and ran through the 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.079 nineties before his tragic death at age forty four of 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.880 a heart attack. Here to talk about Balls Mahoney, Margaret Killjoy, 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.520 Garrison Davis. How are y'all doing? How are we feeling 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:31.120 about about Balls? Balls Mahoney? This show has really changed 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.080 in the scope since last time I've been on. Huh, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.320 I am. I am very excited about this person that 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:38.760 I totally believe is a real person. Oh it is. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:44.480 It is because all of our faces were like, because 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.320 y'all aren't y'all aren't pilled on Balls Mahoney. I honestly, 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.239 I know very little about him other than that he's 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.959 a wrestler, he died very young, and he has one 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.160 of the funniest names I've ever heard. But the only 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.800 photo of him he is bleeding from the forehead and 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.360 both of his wrists have been duck covered in duck tape. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.600 It's incredible. Um. Anyway, that was that was a little 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:07.959 bit of fun for all of our wrestling fan listeners. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.480 You know, I've often said professional wrestling and ska are 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.319 the only remaining forms of art in the world. I mean, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.840 they're they're they're actually there, actually is there is an 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:23.200 argument for that that It's an argument I'll make. Ah, 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.199 this is Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast about bad 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.959 people and also balls. Mahoney, um, and about lying to 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.880 the audience. At the start of the introduction, Garrison, Margaret, 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:39.160 how are you doing today? You know? I, um, I'm 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.840 all right. I spent all morning plumbing and I haven't 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.120 destroyed anything yet. That's good. I guess it's my turn 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:52.000 to talk. Yeah, that's generally how it works in a conversation. Yeah, 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.000 I'm doing great. I have my I have my oat 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:58.080 milk coffee and ready ready to learn about some some 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.440 fascinating historical figures coffee. Yeah. I just don't know if 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.480 we could have moved on if we didn't know what 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.680 kind of milk you were using. Yeah, the wokest, so 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.680 we would be judging you for any other milk. So 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.040 how do y'all what do y'all What do y'all know 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:21.520 about the Bavarian Illuminati. Oh, that's that's something I've mean, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:27.880 that's something I've heard been screamed about at like fascist 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.040 rallies before. That is most most of the time I've 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.840 most of the time that I've heard the words the 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:37.440 Bavarian Illuminati, it's coming from some unhinged woman who has 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:43.400 choice opinions of the Jewish people. Um, yeah, yeah, generally 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.600 people generally, the folks who feel strongest about the Bavarian 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:52.600 Illuminati also have opinions about like the root races. Um. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.160 That's not positive. No, no, um, Margaret, do you know 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.880 much about the Bavarian Illuminati or just because I distinct 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.000 for the regular Illuminati or is this uh it's the 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:10.160 illuminate unless ilie. Yeah. I once read a book about 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.480 the origins of the Illuminati as influencing the anarchist movement 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:20.359 called the Occult Origins of Aim or something great book. Yeah, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.720 some of my knowledge is the book. Someone said that 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.880 there's a through line. There is there is a through line. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.040 We're gonna be talking about that today. This is going 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.320 to be a bit of a weird one. I've been 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.440 wanting to do this an episode on this matter kind 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.000 of ever since we started the podcast. Last year, we 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:40.600 did a live show that touched on the Discordians and 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.600 Operation mind funk, which is kind of the endpoint of 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.839 this story. But telling it all really properly requires Um well, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:54.360 it took me about sixteen thousand words. Um, so so 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.760 dig right in. No, this will be a little more 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.560 than a two parter. But I think it's important, not 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.120 because just by the way, in case you're listening here wondering, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.520 like has Robert gone crazy? Is it going to start 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.640 telling us about how the Illuminati have put machines in 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.520 our teeth that talk to us when we sleep. Um, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.600 obviously that's been done. We all have those machines in 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:16.880 our teeth, but it has nothing to do with the Illuminati. Now, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.159 the Illuminati, the original Illuminati, are not particularly bad guys. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.560 They are They are people who made some some choices 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.800 that have wound up carrying down through the ages in 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.560 an unexpected way, and a lot of that's been negative. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.360 We're getting behind the bastards in this one in that, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.479 like what we're all talking about today, the story that 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.200 begins in Europe, and like the seventeen hundreds leads directly 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.839 to Q and on right, it leads directly to every 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.640 aspect of modern conspiracy culture. Because the Illuminati are what 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.440 create the first like uber conspiracy, you know, the first 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.680 conspiracy that loops in all of the other conspiracies. The 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.839 way that it all works now, right, where if you 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.800 believe that, like if you believe that, like the government 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.800 is trying to keep you from drinking raw milk or 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.120 force vaccines on you to poison you, or if you 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.280 believe that there are lizards at the center of the world, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.760 or if you believe that, uh, you know, the the 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.880 the the elite are drinking the blood of children, you 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.920 can all of those can become part of the same 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.279 conspiracy and in fact generally are because of the way 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.200 that how the syncretic nature of modern like uber conspiracies. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.440 And this all starts with the Illuminati. Um, they don't 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.279 do it on purpose, but they do kind of cause 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.560 it by recklessness. And so we're gonna start by talking 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.440 about the Illuminati, but actually we're gonna start a long 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.080 as time earlier than that, Margaret uh and Garrison, because 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.400 how long how long would you guess, like secret societies 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:51.159 have been a major factor in like human civilization since 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.560 before civilization. I mean that is for a long, long, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.960 long time, Like, yeah, I was surprised looking at this 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.240 how far back the research on this goes um because 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.480 it's it's it's as Margaret said, it's it's pre civilization 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.520 and in fact, a good example of like one of 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.279 the first secret societies we have any kind of decent 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.360 evidence of comes from the Chumash people who have lived 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.080 on the California coast and around that area for about 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.680 fifteen thousand years or so. Obviously you're never gonna get 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.080 an exact date on there, but at least like fifteen 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.920 thousand years UM and starting it around six thousand BC, 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.680 give or take a couple of centuries, they started making 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.280 really good canoes, which came to be known as tumils, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.400 and these craft they like, you know, they got better 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.919 and better at making canoes over time and kind of 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.800 reached their most advanced, perfected form at around years ago. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.320 And this was a really involved process. They have all 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.800 of these different pieces that allow them to be like 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.960 tumuls are generally considered to be maybe the best canoes 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:57.479 that existed before like really modern materials, UM. And they're 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:01.320 ingenious devices and obviously they took a lot of experimentation 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.040 and development in order for people to like figure out 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:05.840 how to make them the best way. They're made out 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.960 of redwoods. They're glued together with tar. They used shark 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.040 skin as sand paper, which I didn't realize you could 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.960 do but but but kind of makes but makes sense. Um. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.880 And because these were so good, the task of making 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.640 one took about five days if you were like a 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.760 skilled manufacturer, and it required specialized knowledge that's kind of 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.080 like about on the level of what it would take 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.680 to be like a good auto mechanic. So that knowledge 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.720 was valuable because as the people on the coast started 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.880 making these tumuls and getting better at them, it became 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.680 like hugely advantageous to have one, both in military terms, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.840 because they could allow you to raid your enemies really effectively, 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.720 and they could allow you to fish into trade a 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.400 lot better. There was a lot of of you know, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.640 money or resources at least locked up and having access 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.640 to these things, and the people who made them realize, like, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:08:00.120 we have this knowledge that's not widespread, and if we 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:03.800 keep it secret just amongst ourselves, then we can build 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.320 a lot of power and wealth for ourselves and our families. Um. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.480 The term that yeah, exactly. The brotherhood of them of 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:14.360 Tamal held a pretty more or less a monopoly over 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.240 the creation and piloting of these craft for we I mean, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.720 we'll never know exactly how long, but for an extremely 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.640 long time. Um And this allowed them to become quite 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.280 comfortable themselves. A passage from the book First People's Populating 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.040 the Planet charts out how things went from there. A 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.400 bear skin cape worn only by the elite of canoe 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.520 owners and village chiefs marked the beginnings of class distinctions. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.320 Adds did burials, which were far more elaborate for the 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.880 wealthy and their children than for commoners. Members of the 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.520 Brotherhood of Tumul were often buried with parts of their canoes. 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.280 Perhaps most offensive to the egalitarian an independent Johuans, who 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.600 were neighbors to the Chumash, would have been the emergence 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.080 of a permanent and hereditary political elite among the Chumash. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:58.160 High ranking Chumash chiefs, who inherited their positions through the 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.360 mail line, exercised control over number of communities, but each 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.680 village also had its own chief, some of whom were women. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.600 These political leaders, all of whom were also canoe owners, 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.280 lead their people in war, presided over religious rituals, and 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.000 regulated the flourishing trade that followed the invention of the 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.640 tumul And I find that fascinating the idea that among 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:20.480 this this society, class distinctions emerged as a result of 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.760 the creation of this and and the kind of the 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:29.319 sequestering of this knowledge among an elite chunk of the population. Um. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:31.360 I hadn't really thought about it occurring that way, but 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.320 it makes sense. Yeah, as as as as soon as 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.240 you mentioned that that they that they specifically kept the 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.960 information about how to make them secluded. I'm like, but 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.160 on on one hand, like undeniably secret societies are kind 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.640 of cool, like everybody wants to be in the in group, 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.040 everyone wants to have access to secret knowledge. On the 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.880 other hand, just the existence of that will buy it 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.680 self create like conditions of inequality and goes against like 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.559 ideals of like open access to information should and how 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.240 everyone should have the opportunity to learn anything that they can. 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.199 And yeah, but that does create a very interesting, interesting dynamic. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.679 And but yeah, I also use the same thing to 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.360 keep information going that would otherwise be lost, especially people 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.920 who don't don't have writing systems or have different types 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.000 of writing systems like oral tradition stuff, being able to 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.280 preserve information in it because because of your because of 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.400 how sacred it is. Yeah. Yeah, I mean not just 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.520 gate keeping, it's also preservation. Yeah yeah, and I don't 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.400 want to be preserved. I'm not like saying the brothers 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:37.040 of Them is the first bass. Yeah, it's all obviously, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.160 this is all we're taking. These are these This is 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:42.640 like a complicated thing, and it had positive and negative impacts. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.600 It's just it. It's fascinating to me, and it's gonna 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.480 be interesting how many things from as far back as 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.360 the existence of the Brotherhood of the Tumul carry through 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.320 to like modern day secret societies and in weirdly specific ways. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.720 But I it's one of those things I kind of wonder. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.640 Obviously we don't have a lot of written records from 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.280 the people the Chumash people in like five thousand BC 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.440 or whatever, four thousand, three thousand BC, But I kind 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.480 of wonder, like where their conspiracy theories about the Canoe 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.800 people in their secret society running things, like because that's 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.000 the thing people do you know? It's interesting and what 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.200 because it's kind of like you could almost imagine people 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.680 talking about this like people today talk about like the 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.520 free energy suppression conspiracy theory, Like Donald Trump knows that 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.920 like the someone's keeping free energy from American people for 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.679 the like. Yeah, it's uh, I wanted to and we 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:38.360 spend something, but with magnets, more more energy comes out 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.800 that goes in. That's right, that's right. That's why I 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.680 throw magnets on the side of my car. Improved the 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.040 gas mileage. One of these days it's going to work. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:51.959 So secret society people know how they work. Yeah, they 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.319 are the secret gatekeepers of all of all knowledge. They're 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:59.000 the brotherhood of the tumal of the modern era. Um. So. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.559 One of the things as I was reading about these 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.440 guys that I found out that I hadn't realized is 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.960 that there's actually like a really strong vein of research 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.080 by anthropologists into the existence of secret societies across all 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.720 of Neolithic humanity. This is a thing we do everywhere 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.760 there are people, um and it's it's a thing that 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.080 occurs in societies when they hit what's often described as 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.000 kind of a middle level of development between wandering bands 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.640 of hunter gatherers and like we're talking bands here, not 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.360 like large moving like tribes of people um and then 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.560 like what we broadly call ancient like pre civilization, where 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.640 you have some settled communities maybe but you at least 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.960 have much larger groups of people moving and interact, even 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.719 even if they're still kind of nomadic um. And it's 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.880 kind of in that that interstial period between sort of 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.640 like groups of I don't know, ten people wandering around 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.560 the wilderness to actually starting to make towns and cities 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.559 that you see the development of of of ancient secrets societies. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.760 In a lot of cases, like the American Pacific Northwest 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.280 what is today the American Pacific Northwest, it was common 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.520 for adults to pick societies based on their talents uh 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.160 and most common vocation. And one of the things that 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.480 this did is society's existed off in across tribal and 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.280 family lines. So in addition for being a way for 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.720 people to kind of gate keep knowledge and and sort 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.880 of build wealth between within communities and along like lines 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.479 of family descent, they provided a backdoor method of diplomacy 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.439 and allowed for different tribes that might have often been 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.480 in conflict over stuff like hunting grounds and other resources 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.240 to also have a way in times of disaster to 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.800 cooperate on something that sort of approached the level that 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.679 a nation state could do it because you have, you know, 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.880 maybe sometimes one tribe is fighting the other, but all 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.920 of the people who know how to make this important 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.440 thing have some sort of like occasionally will meet and 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:57.079 engage in these secret religious observances together and talk shop 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.600 and talk trade, and when a disaster hits, they're able 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.920 to communicate with each other because they have this kind 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:07.640 of this kind of brotherhood. UM. Now, when anthropologists use 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.120 the term secret to refer to these these secret societies, 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.520 which are often called like guilds and groups, uh, that's 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.319 because all of these societies tended to enforce the isolation 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.520 of their members for periods of time. That's what they 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.000 mean by secret. It's not that like no one knew 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.600 the Brotherhood of Tamal existed. It's that part of the 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.960 way it worked is members would sequester themselves away from 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.400 everyone else and have conversations and engage in rituals that 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.080 other people were not allowed to see. Um. Some of 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.200 these rituals would have been mystical, some of them would 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.320 have been doggedly mechanical, like instruction on the best way 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.400 to make canoes, but all of them were secret. Many 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.720 Neolithic people's also practiced matrilineal descent UM. So one way 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.680 in which one very prominent way in which secret societies 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.600 developed was because it was traditional for men to move 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.640 in with the family of their partner um, which was 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.080 not just an emotionally complex experience but also lad presumably 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.400 to a lot of like frustration on behalf of some 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.680 of these men um. And so secret societies were often 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:11.960 very male dominated and just like yeah, it's yeah, exactly exactly, 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.480 so ever there to blow off steam, right, No, but 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.520 in a pretty literal way, right, where like fraternal fraternal 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.680 societies that became thoughts come out of all of this, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.960 and actually like mutual aid organizations and yeah, we are 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.080 out of all of this, we will be building to that. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.440 It's just interesting to me, how deep? Yeah about it? Yeah, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.080 that's why I want to do on this. So I 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.000 want to quote read a quote now from an American 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.680 anthropologist named Walter Goldschmidt. There was always a magical religious 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.040 aspect to such groups. They are characterized by ritual induction 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.880 or initiations, by secret rights and ceremonies, and by a 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.600 system of mythological justification. Often they also have a power 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.680 function uniting the senior men the adults are some especially 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.000 selected group as against the women and children or all outsiders. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.320 Occasionally there are counter veiling women's organization, and that's that's 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.440 also it's interesting to be how deep, like you can 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.880 see shades of this and like some of the weird 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.000 in cell communities online and like fucking Andrew takes Little clubhouse. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.200 It's so weird to me how far back this ship goes. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:23.000 What is this perceived lack of power? Don't they're saying, yeah, yeah, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:27.120 interesting huh. So many ancient societies were either made of 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.120 high status individuals or became that over time as their 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.240 coordination allowed them to martial resources more effectively than other 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.840 segments of society. And so secret societies they drove stratification 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.320 and created it, but they also kind of resulted from stratification. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.880 It's it's obviously it's this is a very complex topic. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.360 So it's not just one or the other. Secret religious 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.200 societies or cults were ubiquitous during the late period of 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:53.360 the Roman Empire as well and the Early Empire. In 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.040 this case, they offered places for the elite to socialize 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.200 and organize out of public view. And in fact, our 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.800 modern term for cult was initially applied two different like 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:05.439 religious sects. Right, a cult was not you've you've fallen 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.280 in with some weird charismatic guy. It's like, yeah, we 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.439 decided to worship this goddess from Egypt who it became 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.359 suddenly hip like in Rome to worship this goddess, you know, 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.960 she's foreign in different so like all the cool kids 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.840 are in this cult now and it's like just the 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.640 thing that we did together. Wow, they're just like me. Yeah, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:29.000 you would have you would have gotten on quite well. Um. Yeah, 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.440 it's interesting debate. In the long history of European secret societies, 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.320 the most infamous before the Illuminati was probably the Order 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.680 of the Temple of Solomon that are known today as 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:42.960 the Knights Templar. Initially founded by veterans of the First Crusade, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.320 this was an organization of lay people who took monastic 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.439 vows and like the first thing that they did was 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.119 basically act to protect, as kind of in a policing manner, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.560 pilgrim routes of the Levant. Right, So you've got these 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.160 pilgrims heading forward to the newly reconquered Holy Land during 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.159 the brief period that it was reconquered, and you know, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.840 there's bandits and ships. So the Knights Templar kind of 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.080 volunteering to UM to aid the transit of pilgrims by 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.520 by helping to protect them UM. They also had a 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.119 regular army and would fight in battle at periods of 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.160 time as a regular army. Over time and that way 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.199 that you do, the Crusades went less well. There was 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.720 much less call for Templars out in the Holy Land, 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.879 and so they got into banking and became deeply woven 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.840 into life across much of Europe. This disturbed traditional elites 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.280 like king French King Philip the Fourth, and in thirteen 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.399 o seven the order was purged in a you know, 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.359 you'd call it an orgy of violence. It was a 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.840 pretty pretty solid violence orgy um. And it was like 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.200 about calling them Satanists or something because they, yeah, they're 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.720 always saying for demons come from or something like that 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.479 or something. There's I think that's a part of it. 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.680 There's a lot of things happening at once that kind 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.280 of feed into it. But yeah, that the Templars get 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.399 accused of devil worship and accused of plotting for the 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.439 overthrow of governments and try aing to like make themselves 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.360 the you know, the like overthrow kind of the settled 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.720 power in Europe UM, because there's not really any evidence 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.119 of Yeah, yeah, they're really just they're really just like 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.159 the ancient Bank of America, maybe more like an ancient 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:19.120 credit union, UM, but yeah, ISU credit union with like 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:26.160 a military. Yeah, they primarily anax like racist violence. I mean, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:32.280 modern banks, everyone, everyone, every everyone with a military primarily 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:36.399 enax racist violence. In this period of time. They're not 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.160 really different from the French in that regard. So during 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:44.960 the mid sixteen hundreds, Europe experienced a rather sudden burst 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:49.280 of religious creativity. The overwhelming control of the Catholic Church splintered, 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.439 and suddenly you get your Lutherans and your Calvinists and 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.680 all these all these Protestants start popping up all over 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.919 the place. This coincided with what's called the Age of Enlightenment, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.720 which by the seventeen hundreds is in full swing, bringing 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.080 a newfound understanding of the scientific method and the value 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.399 of rationality over dogma. Obviously, broad terms like the Age 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.919 of Enlightenment exists to describe complex periods and very simple 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.159 and very broad terms. The so called Enlightenment was not 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.040 evenly distributed, and it arrived I think a little later 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.080 in Bavaria because Bavaria stays extremely Catholic, which is in 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.240 contrast to much of the rest of what we now 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.040 call Germany. But when it did hit the term that 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.600 gets used in the area is auf kleung Um, which 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.320 I think just means age of Enlightenment, but in in 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:41.240 that silly language people speak in Bavaria, Southern Germany, I believe. So, yeah, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:44.080 it's a it's like the most conservative and the most 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:48.280 catholic part of Germany. Um, which is the part of 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.720 south because I think it, Yeah, it borders Austria, because 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.160 that's where Hitler finds when he leads his home in Austria. Yeah, 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.520 east ends. I mean it is east a lot of 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.960 South too, trying to position myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:08.240 it's like borders. So yeah, it's it borders like Liechtenstein 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.040 in Austria, all that good ship. Um yeah, and um, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.440 it's a it's an interesting, interesting part of Germany for that, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.720 and it's going to be a lot more conservative than 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.080 than the rest of the area. So the Enlightenments going 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.040 to hit it in kind of a more controversial way. 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:25.840 And I want to quote now from an Italian sociologist 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:30.560 named Massimo introvin the Bavaria of the second half of 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.520 the eighteenth century, a Catholic duchy, the duke's elector would 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.640 take the title of kings only in eighteen o five, 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.720 and a predominantly Protestant Germany was where in Europe the 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:41.560 spirit of the Catholic Reformation and the Baroque Age was 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.000 best preserved. Education and culture were dominated by the Society 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.040 of Jesus, and the former Jesuits remained influential even after 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:51.119 the papal suppression of their order in seventeen seventy three. 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.800 The Dukes resisted the reforms initiated in the neighboring Austria, 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.320 although the latter was also Catholic and the influence of 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.040 the Catholic Church remained pervasive. Trying to reserve this situation, 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.200 the Catholic Church erected a barrier against the Enlightenment. Many 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.440 books by Enlightenment philosophers, which circulated freely in the rest 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.359 of Germany, were banned. In Bavaria, the Protestant against the 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.879 Catholic Church and the Dukes happened. The protest against the 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.320 Catholic Church and the Dukes happened mostly in the universities, 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.320 where a number of professors were sensitive to Enlightenment ideas. 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.520 In turn, students off and kept in contact, particularly through 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.160 the college fraternities that at this time began to gain 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:28.000 importance with their colleagues in the Protestant German states. So 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:35.879 Bavarious kind of Florida, right, like they're very much horrifying 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:40.200 centence thinking of the Florida Illuinati being like the next 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:45.520