1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Balls Mahoney. This is Behind the Bastards, the podcast where 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: every week we celebrate famed wrestler Balls Mahoney, who whose 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: careers started in the late eighties and ran through the 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: nineties before his tragic death at age forty four of 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: a heart attack. Here to talk about Balls Mahoney, Margaret Killjoy, 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Garrison Davis. How are y'all doing? How are we feeling 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: about about Balls? Balls Mahoney? This show has really changed 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: in the scope since last time I've been on. Huh, 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: I am. I am very excited about this person that 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: I totally believe is a real person. Oh it is. 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: It is because all of our faces were like, because 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: y'all aren't y'all aren't pilled on Balls Mahoney. I honestly, 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: I know very little about him other than that he's 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: a wrestler, he died very young, and he has one 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: of the funniest names I've ever heard. But the only 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: photo of him he is bleeding from the forehead and 17 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: both of his wrists have been duck covered in duck tape. 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: It's incredible. Um. Anyway, that was that was a little 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: bit of fun for all of our wrestling fan listeners. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: You know, I've often said professional wrestling and ska are 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: the only remaining forms of art in the world. I mean, 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: they're they're they're actually there, actually is there is an 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: argument for that that It's an argument I'll make. Ah, 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: this is Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast about bad 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: people and also balls. Mahoney, um, and about lying to 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: the audience. At the start of the introduction, Garrison, Margaret, 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: how are you doing today? You know? I, um, I'm 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: all right. I spent all morning plumbing and I haven't 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: destroyed anything yet. That's good. I guess it's my turn 30 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: to talk. Yeah, that's generally how it works in a conversation. Yeah, 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I have my I have my oat 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: milk coffee and ready ready to learn about some some 33 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: fascinating historical figures coffee. Yeah. I just don't know if 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: we could have moved on if we didn't know what 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: kind of milk you were using. Yeah, the wokest, so 36 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: we would be judging you for any other milk. So 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: how do y'all what do y'all What do y'all know 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: about the Bavarian Illuminati. Oh, that's that's something I've mean, 39 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: that's something I've heard been screamed about at like fascist 40 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: rallies before. That is most most of the time I've 41 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: most of the time that I've heard the words the 42 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Bavarian Illuminati, it's coming from some unhinged woman who has 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: choice opinions of the Jewish people. Um, yeah, yeah, generally 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: people generally, the folks who feel strongest about the Bavarian 45 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Illuminati also have opinions about like the root races. Um. 46 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: That's not positive. No, no, um, Margaret, do you know 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: much about the Bavarian Illuminati or just because I distinct 48 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: for the regular Illuminati or is this uh it's the 49 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: illuminate unless ilie. Yeah. I once read a book about 50 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the origins of the Illuminati as influencing the anarchist movement 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: called the Occult Origins of Aim or something great book. Yeah, 52 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: some of my knowledge is the book. Someone said that 53 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: there's a through line. There is there is a through line. 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about that today. This is going 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: to be a bit of a weird one. I've been 56 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: wanting to do this an episode on this matter kind 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: of ever since we started the podcast. Last year, we 58 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: did a live show that touched on the Discordians and 59 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Operation mind funk, which is kind of the endpoint of 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: this story. But telling it all really properly requires Um well, 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: it took me about sixteen thousand words. Um, so so 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: dig right in. No, this will be a little more 63 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: than a two parter. But I think it's important, not 64 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: because just by the way, in case you're listening here wondering, 65 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: like has Robert gone crazy? Is it going to start 66 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: telling us about how the Illuminati have put machines in 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: our teeth that talk to us when we sleep. Um, 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: obviously that's been done. We all have those machines in 69 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: our teeth, but it has nothing to do with the Illuminati. Now, 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: the Illuminati, the original Illuminati, are not particularly bad guys. 71 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: They are They are people who made some some choices 72 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: that have wound up carrying down through the ages in 73 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: an unexpected way, and a lot of that's been negative. 74 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: We're getting behind the bastards in this one in that, 75 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: like what we're all talking about today, the story that 76 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: begins in Europe, and like the seventeen hundreds leads directly 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: to Q and on right, it leads directly to every 78 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: aspect of modern conspiracy culture. Because the Illuminati are what 79 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: create the first like uber conspiracy, you know, the first 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: conspiracy that loops in all of the other conspiracies. The 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: way that it all works now, right, where if you 82 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: believe that, like if you believe that, like the government 83 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: is trying to keep you from drinking raw milk or 84 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: force vaccines on you to poison you, or if you 85 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: believe that there are lizards at the center of the world, 86 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: or if you believe that, uh, you know, the the 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: the the elite are drinking the blood of children, you 88 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: can all of those can become part of the same 89 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: conspiracy and in fact generally are because of the way 90 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: that how the syncretic nature of modern like uber conspiracies. 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: And this all starts with the Illuminati. Um, they don't 92 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: do it on purpose, but they do kind of cause 93 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: it by recklessness. And so we're gonna start by talking 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: about the Illuminati, but actually we're gonna start a long 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: as time earlier than that, Margaret uh and Garrison, because 96 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: how long how long would you guess, like secret societies 97 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: have been a major factor in like human civilization since 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: before civilization. I mean that is for a long, long, 99 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: long time, Like, yeah, I was surprised looking at this 100 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: how far back the research on this goes um because 101 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: it's it's it's as Margaret said, it's it's pre civilization 102 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: and in fact, a good example of like one of 103 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: the first secret societies we have any kind of decent 104 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: evidence of comes from the Chumash people who have lived 105 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: on the California coast and around that area for about 106 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand years or so. Obviously you're never gonna get 107 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: an exact date on there, but at least like fifteen 108 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: thousand years UM and starting it around six thousand BC, 109 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: give or take a couple of centuries, they started making 110 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: really good canoes, which came to be known as tumils, 111 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: and these craft they like, you know, they got better 112 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 1: and better at making canoes over time and kind of 113 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: reached their most advanced, perfected form at around years ago. 114 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: And this was a really involved process. They have all 115 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: of these different pieces that allow them to be like 116 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: tumuls are generally considered to be maybe the best canoes 117 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: that existed before like really modern materials, UM. And they're 118 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: ingenious devices and obviously they took a lot of experimentation 119 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: and development in order for people to like figure out 120 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: how to make them the best way. They're made out 121 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: of redwoods. They're glued together with tar. They used shark 122 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: skin as sand paper, which I didn't realize you could 123 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: do but but but kind of makes but makes sense. Um. 124 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: And because these were so good, the task of making 125 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: one took about five days if you were like a 126 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: skilled manufacturer, and it required specialized knowledge that's kind of 127 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: like about on the level of what it would take 128 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: to be like a good auto mechanic. So that knowledge 129 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: was valuable because as the people on the coast started 130 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: making these tumuls and getting better at them, it became 131 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: like hugely advantageous to have one, both in military terms, 132 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: because they could allow you to raid your enemies really effectively, 133 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and they could allow you to fish into trade a 134 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: lot better. There was a lot of of you know, 135 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: money or resources at least locked up and having access 136 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: to these things, and the people who made them realize, like, 137 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: we have this knowledge that's not widespread, and if we 138 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: keep it secret just amongst ourselves, then we can build 139 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot of power and wealth for ourselves and our families. Um. 140 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: The term that yeah, exactly. The brotherhood of them of 141 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: Tamal held a pretty more or less a monopoly over 142 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the creation and piloting of these craft for we I mean, 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: we'll never know exactly how long, but for an extremely 144 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: long time. Um And this allowed them to become quite 145 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: comfortable themselves. A passage from the book First People's Populating 146 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: the Planet charts out how things went from there. A 147 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: bear skin cape worn only by the elite of canoe 148 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: owners and village chiefs marked the beginnings of class distinctions. 149 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Adds did burials, which were far more elaborate for the 150 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: wealthy and their children than for commoners. Members of the 151 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Brotherhood of Tumul were often buried with parts of their canoes. 152 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: Perhaps most offensive to the egalitarian an independent Johuans, who 153 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: were neighbors to the Chumash, would have been the emergence 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: of a permanent and hereditary political elite among the Chumash. 155 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: High ranking Chumash chiefs, who inherited their positions through the 156 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: mail line, exercised control over number of communities, but each 157 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: village also had its own chief, some of whom were women. 158 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: These political leaders, all of whom were also canoe owners, 159 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: lead their people in war, presided over religious rituals, and 160 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: regulated the flourishing trade that followed the invention of the 161 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: tumul And I find that fascinating the idea that among 162 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: this this society, class distinctions emerged as a result of 163 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: the creation of this and and the kind of the 164 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: sequestering of this knowledge among an elite chunk of the population. Um. 165 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about it occurring that way, but 166 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, as as as as soon as 167 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned that that they that they specifically kept the 168 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: information about how to make them secluded. I'm like, but 169 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: on on one hand, like undeniably secret societies are kind 170 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: of cool, like everybody wants to be in the in group, 171 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: everyone wants to have access to secret knowledge. On the 172 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: other hand, just the existence of that will buy it 173 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: self create like conditions of inequality and goes against like 174 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: ideals of like open access to information should and how 175 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: everyone should have the opportunity to learn anything that they can. 176 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: And yeah, but that does create a very interesting, interesting dynamic. 177 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: And but yeah, I also use the same thing to 178 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: keep information going that would otherwise be lost, especially people 179 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: who don't don't have writing systems or have different types 180 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: of writing systems like oral tradition stuff, being able to 181 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: preserve information in it because because of your because of 182 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: how sacred it is. Yeah. Yeah, I mean not just 183 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: gate keeping, it's also preservation. Yeah yeah, and I don't 184 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: want to be preserved. I'm not like saying the brothers 185 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: of Them is the first bass. Yeah, it's all obviously, 186 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: this is all we're taking. These are these This is 187 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: like a complicated thing, and it had positive and negative impacts. 188 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: It's just it. It's fascinating to me, and it's gonna 189 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: be interesting how many things from as far back as 190 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the existence of the Brotherhood of the Tumul carry through 191 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: to like modern day secret societies and in weirdly specific ways. 192 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: But I it's one of those things I kind of wonder. 193 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: Obviously we don't have a lot of written records from 194 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: the people the Chumash people in like five thousand BC 195 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: or whatever, four thousand, three thousand BC, But I kind 196 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: of wonder, like where their conspiracy theories about the Canoe 197 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: people in their secret society running things, like because that's 198 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: the thing people do you know? It's interesting and what 199 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: because it's kind of like you could almost imagine people 200 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: talking about this like people today talk about like the 201 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: free energy suppression conspiracy theory, Like Donald Trump knows that 202 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: like the someone's keeping free energy from American people for 203 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: the like. Yeah, it's uh, I wanted to and we 204 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: spend something, but with magnets, more more energy comes out 205 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: that goes in. That's right, that's right. That's why I 206 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: throw magnets on the side of my car. Improved the 207 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: gas mileage. One of these days it's going to work. 208 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: So secret society people know how they work. Yeah, they 209 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: are the secret gatekeepers of all of all knowledge. They're 210 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: the brotherhood of the tumal of the modern era. Um. So. 211 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: One of the things as I was reading about these 212 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: guys that I found out that I hadn't realized is 213 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: that there's actually like a really strong vein of research 214 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: by anthropologists into the existence of secret societies across all 215 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: of Neolithic humanity. This is a thing we do everywhere 216 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: there are people, um and it's it's a thing that 217 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: occurs in societies when they hit what's often described as 218 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of a middle level of development between wandering bands 219 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: of hunter gatherers and like we're talking bands here, not 220 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: like large moving like tribes of people um and then 221 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: like what we broadly call ancient like pre civilization, where 222 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: you have some settled communities maybe but you at least 223 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: have much larger groups of people moving and interact, even 224 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: even if they're still kind of nomadic um. And it's 225 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of in that that interstial period between sort of 226 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: like groups of I don't know, ten people wandering around 227 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: the wilderness to actually starting to make towns and cities 228 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: that you see the development of of of ancient secrets societies. 229 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, like the American Pacific Northwest 230 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: what is today the American Pacific Northwest, it was common 231 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: for adults to pick societies based on their talents uh 232 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: and most common vocation. And one of the things that 233 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: this did is society's existed off in across tribal and 234 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: family lines. So in addition for being a way for 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: people to kind of gate keep knowledge and and sort 236 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: of build wealth between within communities and along like lines 237 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,479 Speaker 1: of family descent, they provided a backdoor method of diplomacy 238 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: and allowed for different tribes that might have often been 239 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: in conflict over stuff like hunting grounds and other resources 240 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: to also have a way in times of disaster to 241 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: cooperate on something that sort of approached the level that 242 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: a nation state could do it because you have, you know, 243 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: maybe sometimes one tribe is fighting the other, but all 244 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: of the people who know how to make this important 245 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: thing have some sort of like occasionally will meet and 246 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: engage in these secret religious observances together and talk shop 247 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: and talk trade, and when a disaster hits, they're able 248 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: to communicate with each other because they have this kind 249 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: of this kind of brotherhood. UM. Now, when anthropologists use 250 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: the term secret to refer to these these secret societies, 251 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: which are often called like guilds and groups, uh, that's 252 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: because all of these societies tended to enforce the isolation 253 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: of their members for periods of time. That's what they 254 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: mean by secret. It's not that like no one knew 255 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: the Brotherhood of Tamal existed. It's that part of the 256 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: way it worked is members would sequester themselves away from 257 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: everyone else and have conversations and engage in rituals that 258 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: other people were not allowed to see. Um. Some of 259 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: these rituals would have been mystical, some of them would 260 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: have been doggedly mechanical, like instruction on the best way 261 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: to make canoes, but all of them were secret. Many 262 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: Neolithic people's also practiced matrilineal descent UM. So one way 263 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: in which one very prominent way in which secret societies 264 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: developed was because it was traditional for men to move 265 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: in with the family of their partner um, which was 266 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: not just an emotionally complex experience but also lad presumably 267 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: to a lot of like frustration on behalf of some 268 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: of these men um. And so secret societies were often 269 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: very male dominated and just like yeah, it's yeah, exactly exactly, 270 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: so ever there to blow off steam, right, No, but 271 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: in a pretty literal way, right, where like fraternal fraternal 272 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: societies that became thoughts come out of all of this, 273 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: and actually like mutual aid organizations and yeah, we are 274 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: out of all of this, we will be building to that. 275 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me, how deep? Yeah about it? Yeah, 276 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: that's why I want to do on this. So I 277 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: want to quote read a quote now from an American 278 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: anthropologist named Walter Goldschmidt. There was always a magical religious 279 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: aspect to such groups. They are characterized by ritual induction 280 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: or initiations, by secret rights and ceremonies, and by a 281 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: system of mythological justification. Often they also have a power 282 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: function uniting the senior men the adults are some especially 283 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: selected group as against the women and children or all outsiders. 284 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: Occasionally there are counter veiling women's organization, and that's that's 285 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: also it's interesting to be how deep, like you can 286 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: see shades of this and like some of the weird 287 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: in cell communities online and like fucking Andrew takes Little clubhouse. 288 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: It's so weird to me how far back this ship goes. 289 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: What is this perceived lack of power? Don't they're saying, yeah, yeah, 290 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: interesting huh. So many ancient societies were either made of 291 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: high status individuals or became that over time as their 292 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: coordination allowed them to martial resources more effectively than other 293 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: segments of society. And so secret societies they drove stratification 294 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: and created it, but they also kind of resulted from stratification. 295 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: It's it's obviously it's this is a very complex topic. 296 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: So it's not just one or the other. Secret religious 297 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: societies or cults were ubiquitous during the late period of 298 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: the Roman Empire as well and the Early Empire. In 299 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: this case, they offered places for the elite to socialize 300 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: and organize out of public view. And in fact, our 301 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: modern term for cult was initially applied two different like 302 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: religious sects. Right, a cult was not you've you've fallen 303 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: in with some weird charismatic guy. It's like, yeah, we 304 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: decided to worship this goddess from Egypt who it became 305 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: suddenly hip like in Rome to worship this goddess, you know, 306 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: she's foreign in different so like all the cool kids 307 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: are in this cult now and it's like just the 308 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: thing that we did together. Wow, they're just like me. Yeah, 309 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: you would have you would have gotten on quite well. Um. Yeah, 310 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting debate. In the long history of European secret societies, 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: the most infamous before the Illuminati was probably the Order 312 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: of the Temple of Solomon that are known today as 313 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: the Knights Templar. Initially founded by veterans of the First Crusade, 314 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: this was an organization of lay people who took monastic 315 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: vows and like the first thing that they did was 316 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: basically act to protect, as kind of in a policing manner, 317 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: pilgrim routes of the Levant. Right, So you've got these 318 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: pilgrims heading forward to the newly reconquered Holy Land during 319 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: the brief period that it was reconquered, and you know, 320 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: there's bandits and ships. So the Knights Templar kind of 321 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: volunteering to UM to aid the transit of pilgrims by 322 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: by helping to protect them UM. They also had a 323 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: regular army and would fight in battle at periods of 324 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: time as a regular army. Over time and that way 325 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: that you do, the Crusades went less well. There was 326 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: much less call for Templars out in the Holy Land, 327 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: and so they got into banking and became deeply woven 328 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: into life across much of Europe. This disturbed traditional elites 329 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: like king French King Philip the Fourth, and in thirteen 330 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: o seven the order was purged in a you know, 331 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: you'd call it an orgy of violence. It was a 332 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: pretty pretty solid violence orgy um. And it was like 333 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: about calling them Satanists or something because they, yeah, they're 334 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: always saying for demons come from or something like that 335 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: or something. There's I think that's a part of it. 336 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things happening at once that kind 337 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: of feed into it. But yeah, that the Templars get 338 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: accused of devil worship and accused of plotting for the 339 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: overthrow of governments and try aing to like make themselves 340 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: the you know, the like overthrow kind of the settled 341 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: power in Europe UM, because there's not really any evidence 342 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: of Yeah, yeah, they're really just they're really just like 343 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: the ancient Bank of America, maybe more like an ancient 344 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: credit union, UM, but yeah, ISU credit union with like 345 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: a military. Yeah, they primarily anax like racist violence. I mean, 346 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: modern banks, everyone, everyone, every everyone with a military primarily 347 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: enax racist violence. In this period of time. They're not 348 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: really different from the French in that regard. So during 349 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: the mid sixteen hundreds, Europe experienced a rather sudden burst 350 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: of religious creativity. The overwhelming control of the Catholic Church splintered, 351 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: and suddenly you get your Lutherans and your Calvinists and 352 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: all these all these Protestants start popping up all over 353 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: the place. This coincided with what's called the Age of Enlightenment, 354 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: which by the seventeen hundreds is in full swing, bringing 355 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: a newfound understanding of the scientific method and the value 356 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: of rationality over dogma. Obviously, broad terms like the Age 357 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: of Enlightenment exists to describe complex periods and very simple 358 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: and very broad terms. The so called Enlightenment was not 359 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: evenly distributed, and it arrived I think a little later 360 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: in Bavaria because Bavaria stays extremely Catholic, which is in 361 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: contrast to much of the rest of what we now 362 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: call Germany. But when it did hit the term that 363 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: gets used in the area is auf kleung Um, which 364 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: I think just means age of Enlightenment, but in in 365 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: that silly language people speak in Bavaria, Southern Germany, I believe. So, yeah, 366 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's like the most conservative and the most 367 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: catholic part of Germany. Um, which is the part of 368 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: south because I think it, Yeah, it borders Austria, because 369 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: that's where Hitler finds when he leads his home in Austria. Yeah, 370 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: east ends. I mean it is east a lot of 371 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: South too, trying to position myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 372 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: it's like borders. So yeah, it's it borders like Liechtenstein 373 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: in Austria, all that good ship. Um yeah, and um, 374 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's an interesting, interesting part of Germany for that, 375 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a lot more conservative than 376 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: than the rest of the area. So the Enlightenments going 377 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: to hit it in kind of a more controversial way. 378 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: And I want to quote now from an Italian sociologist 379 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: named Massimo introvin the Bavaria of the second half of 380 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: the eighteenth century, a Catholic duchy, the duke's elector would 381 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: take the title of kings only in eighteen o five, 382 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: and a predominantly Protestant Germany was where in Europe the 383 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: spirit of the Catholic Reformation and the Baroque Age was 384 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: best preserved. Education and culture were dominated by the Society 385 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: of Jesus, and the former Jesuits remained influential even after 386 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: the papal suppression of their order in seventeen seventy three. 387 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: The Dukes resisted the reforms initiated in the neighboring Austria, 388 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: although the latter was also Catholic and the influence of 389 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church remained pervasive. Trying to reserve this situation, 390 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church erected a barrier against the Enlightenment. Many 391 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: books by Enlightenment philosophers, which circulated freely in the rest 392 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: of Germany, were banned. In Bavaria, the Protestant against the 393 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: Catholic Church and the Dukes happened. The protest against the 394 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: Catholic Church and the Dukes happened mostly in the universities, 395 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: where a number of professors were sensitive to Enlightenment ideas. 396 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: In turn, students off and kept in contact, particularly through 397 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: the college fraternities that at this time began to gain 398 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: importance with their colleagues in the Protestant German states. So 399 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: Bavarious kind of Florida, right, like they're very much horrifying 400 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: centence thinking of the Florida Illuinati being like the next 401 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: like like like fift years this conspiracy, this conspiracy, the 402 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: Florida Illuinati terrifying. Yeah, and the Florida Illuminati is like 403 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: two guys with a single history textbook. Um, but that's 404 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 1: that is very much kind of what's happening here, right 405 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: There's this there's this progressive you know, left wing and 406 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: right wing, those terms I think kind of useless when 407 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about the situation in Europe in this period 408 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,479 Speaker 1: of time. But it's certainly like a very progressive and 409 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: secular waves sweeping a lot of the rest of Germany. 410 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: But Bavaria is like rebelling against it. And one of 411 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: the ways they do it is by banning books and 412 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: cracking down. And one of the ways in which educated 413 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: elites fight back and push Enlightenment values is through these 414 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: little fraternities, these secret societies. Now it is kind of 415 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: worth noting because we've just talked about how it's sort 416 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: of the Florida of Europe. Bavaria does produce some of 417 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: the most creative thinkers of the whole Enlightenment, including Adam Leibnitz, 418 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: who independently discovered calculus alongside Isaac Newton Um and then 419 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: they had they had a little bit of a falling 420 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: out with each other. He's also a wizard, which is cool, 421 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: but so is everybody who does anything. So is Isaac. 422 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: They're both wizards. They're wizards who used to be friends 423 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: and then fell out over calculus. It happens all the time. 424 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: On February six, thirty two years after Leibnitz's discovery of calculus, 425 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: a baby boy named Adam Weischop is born or comes 426 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: into the world. Um, now, his parents, it's not actually 427 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: come into the world. What do you Okay, you know 428 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: what I mean? Well, I mean, Garrison probably, Yeah, when 429 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: two cabbages love each other very much. Yeah, I drew 430 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: a diagram for you about this the other day. Um. Okay, yeah, 431 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: you can, you can, you can, Garrison, you can. You 432 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: can refer to that book of worm, impregnation, fetish pornography. 433 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: I said you last night. That's that's most of the basics. 434 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: Twitter can help you out with the rest. Got it 435 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: all right, we'll do. Um. So Adam Weischop comes into 436 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: the world, Um is born ever uh and yeah, a 437 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: little babe in his it's he's in an interesting situation. 438 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: He comes from kind of the upper class. His family 439 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: has a decent amount of money. His parents were had 440 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: been born and raised as Orthodox Jews, um, but they 441 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: had decided to convert to capitalists or to a Catholic Catholicism. 442 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a slip of the 443 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: tongue there. Um. They become Catholics because like it's a 444 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: lot easier to be Catholic in Bavaria than it is 445 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: to be an Orthodox Jew. Right that that should not 446 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: surprise anybody. Uh. And because they're kind of like we 447 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: should probably make his clean a break from our past 448 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: as possible. Adams and parents enrolled him in a school 449 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: that was held like run by a monastery as soon 450 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: as he could walk, so he's taught by monks. Now 451 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: he has a childhood that's I don't think that it's 452 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: not an abnormal amount of turbulent for a kid in 453 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the mid seventeen hundreds. His dad dies when he's just five, 454 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: and since single moms, that's not an encouraged thing, especially 455 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: if you have any kind of like money in this 456 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: period of time. His dad's co worker at the University 457 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: of Ingolstadt where he was born moves Adam into his 458 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: household and takes him out of the monastery school and 459 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: sends him to one run by Jesuits. And um, boy, 460 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: howdy talking about Jesuits. That's gonna take a second, So 461 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: why don't we first talk about some products and services. 462 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: The Jesuit Society would like to appreciate you for listening 463 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: to this podcast, and if you would like to join us, 464 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: then you can find us at that's the Jesuit ad. 465 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: The Jesuit had Stop and then the first thing that 466 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: comes up is gets your gold. Yeah, there you go. 467 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: We're back and we're we're thinking about the Jesuits. Now. 468 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, there was a Jesuit school 469 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: called Jesuit right next to my school, and it was 470 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: where the rich kids went to school, or at least 471 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: the rich kids who were Catholic old Jesuit it. Yeah, 472 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: it's called Jesuit. The big one in Portland is also 473 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: just called and it was I don't know if this 474 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: is very that's very Jesuit and concept. Yes, now, I 475 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: don't know if it's the same in other with other 476 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: Jesuit schools. But in the Dallas area, those were the 477 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: kids you bought drugs from, right because they got they 478 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: got the cash. Their parents are too busy to really 479 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: pay any attention. The Jesuit boys were. You know, that's 480 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: where you get your weed. It's where you get your acid, 481 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: you know when you're when you're young. Um, it's probably 482 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: where you get your fentnel. Today you gen z kids 483 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: and your fentnel. Um. Anyway, at this point in time, 484 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Jesuits have access too much fentanyl. 485 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: But they are something of a secret society and they've 486 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: been like there are all of these Jesuits are like 487 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: kind of members of an order that's been banned. So 488 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: they're technically officially not Jesuits anymore. Because it is cooler. 489 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: There's a there's so many conspiracy theories out the fucking Jesuits. 490 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: But like I think the best way to describe them 491 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: as nerdy catholics. Like their job like the thing they're 492 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: supposed to do is make more people Catholics and also 493 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: learn and teach. Um. So there's a lot of Jesuit schools. 494 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: They are historically pretty good schools, um and yeah anyway, 495 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: and they're also again at the center of quite a 496 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: few conspiracy theories. So because he's got the benefit of 497 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: this Jesuit education, Adam is going to learn at a 498 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: level that's kind of a lot beyond what most boys 499 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: in that place in time could expect. And he takes 500 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: to it like a duck too, you know the thing 501 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: that ducks do. Um um no, no, no, much worse 502 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: than that. Anyway. By the time, yes, exactly, Garrison, by 503 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: the time he was an adolescent, he spoke German, Czech, 504 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: and Hebrew fluently, and he quickly thereafter. Yeah, but he's yeah, 505 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: he learns ancient Greek, Latin and Italian. Next yeah, he 506 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: is in for um. He gets admitted to age to 507 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: university at age fifteen, which is yeah, yeah, he's one 508 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: of those kids pushed down the stairs a lot. I 509 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: should have been school at age fifteen, but I don't 510 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: go around bragging about it on podcasts. Yeah, you don't 511 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: speak in Greek either, Garrison. Yeah, I've learned. I'm trying 512 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: because I need I need to get a lot better 513 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: with my Greek for the Greek magical papyri stuff. And 514 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: it's hard because all of the all of the all, 515 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: like the consonants sound weird. But anyway, yes, they say, 516 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: was how to say spanna copita hot td that's good 517 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: Spana copita without cheese. That was all I needed to 518 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: get buy in Greece or vegan span. Now here's a 519 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: question for you, Garrison. You're getting You're getting your PhD 520 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: in magic ship right now from that from that online 521 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: school that I have paid for among other magic things 522 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: that Yet, sure, how close are you to that PhD? Buddy, 523 00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: I'll get it within the year. You get it within 524 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: a year. Well, that's honest. I've I've I've had I've 525 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: had other developments in my magical study that is slightly 526 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: more impressive and reputable than that school. So we'll see, 527 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah, Well, if you don't finish it within 528 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: the next few months, Garrison, then you'll get your pH 529 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: d much later than Adam y shopped because he gets 530 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: his doctorate five years later at age twenty. So I 531 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: can still get it by age twenty, I can, I 532 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah, well you bet. You better move fast. 533 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: So he spends his teenage years buried in books at 534 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: the University of English dots massive library, which has forty 535 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: two d books. Now, for a bit of perspective, I have, 536 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: that's more than all of Florida. Well it is, it 537 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: is now after they banned all the books. Yes, yeah, 538 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: that's that's what. Yeah, that's a lot of books for Florida. 539 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: I just I find it interesting, like the difference in 540 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: what a lot of books was in you know, this 541 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: period of time, the late seventeen hundreds, kind of the 542 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: start of the print era, and like, like, for example, 543 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: today the Internet archive has two million modern books and 544 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: more than thirty six million books and texts. Um. It's 545 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: just that's kind of neat. That's a neat achievement. Although 546 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of those books are trash, so, but they 547 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: were trash back then, probably too a lot of the time. Anyway, 548 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: Adams a big reader, very smart kid. He becomes enthralled 549 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of Enlightenment ideas and a lot of 550 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: Enlightenment philosophies as much as he can access while it's 551 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: sort of banned in his area. Now he does very 552 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: well at the school. He gets promoted as soon as 553 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: he graduates, basically to assistant instructor to the Chair of 554 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: canon Law. Um. And while I don't really know what 555 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: that job would entail and I don't care to learn, 556 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Adam was the first non Jesuit to hold it in 557 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: a century. Um, this does not go over well with 558 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: the Jesuits. They're not thrilled about this. And I'm gonna 559 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: quote next from a book by the Charles River editors. 560 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: This prompted a stir of furrowing browse with a the 561 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: Jesuit community. Still, Adam's hot streak was anything but over. 562 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,959 Speaker 1: In seventy five, when the seven year old was main 563 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: dean of the Faculty of Law, the Jesuits sputtered their 564 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: drinks and slammed their fists on their tables. The Jesuits 565 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: had had enough. They barged into the university boardroom and 566 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: demanded Adam's paycheck be withheld until he complied with the 567 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: university's principles. So you know that's uh not gonna go 568 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: well for them, um, Adam. They accused him of basically 569 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: promoting off cloruing the the Enlightenment and teaching banned topics 570 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: that like different light enlightened philosopher exactly. Yeah, he's talking 571 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: about secularism, the idea that maybe the Catholic Church shouldn't 572 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: run everything they don't like this um and this pisces 573 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: off Adam right, the fact that he's he's having to 574 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: fight against these kind of regressive Jesuits and their attitudes 575 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: towards religion, it really pisces him off. And whenever he 576 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,239 Speaker 1: would come across a bump on the road, across like 577 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: some sort of stumbling block that was put up by 578 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: these these old timey monk type assholes, he would think 579 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: back to the words of one of his favorite philosophers, 580 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: Jean Jacques Rousseau. Um. One quote in particular stood out 581 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: to him. The only practice that went not to teach 582 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: children is that they said never should never submit, which 583 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: is you know that's base. Yeah, yeah, you Adam by shock, 584 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: says youth liberation baith based based youth liberationist. Yeah, you 585 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: should hear this guy's attitude on bedtime discourse. Boy. Some 586 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: of Adam's colleagues who were too frightened to stand up 587 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: for him against the Jesuits, but who were sympathetic to 588 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: his Aims reached out to tell him like, hey, man, 589 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: I know you're dealing with this secret society who are 590 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: being real assholes. There's another secret society you might want 591 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: to join because they can give you some some support 592 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: in your fight against the Jesuits. And that secret society 593 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: was the Freemasons. Now, people talk a lot about the Freemasons, 594 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 1: um they share to they were they will never stop. 595 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: At its core, the Masons are exactly like the secret societies. 596 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: We started this episode talking about these kind of neolithic organizations, 597 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: like it's like a guild. Yeah, yeah, it's a guilt 598 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: right down to the fact that a big part one 599 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: of the big things about the Brotherhood of the Tumul 600 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: is that you you get these very nice, elaborate funerals. 601 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: A big thing that the Mason's provided was like life 602 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: insurance that came with burial benefits for Mason's, Like that 603 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: was a major reason to join the Masons. There's also 604 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: it was a big part of it is for all 605 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: that like people talk about the rituals and and the 606 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: magic stuff. A huge part of it is like their 607 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: members are mostly middle class and like upper middle class professionals, 608 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: and if you're a Mason. You get like a ten 609 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: percent discount at all Mason affiliated stores. So it's like 610 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, it's it's like it's a lot 611 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: like Triple A. It's like Triple A and kind of 612 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: like us A A where it's like you get discounted 613 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: life insurance. That's a lot harder for people who aren't 614 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: in this organization to get. Um, it's very must. Triple 615 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: are really cool too, Yes, they are. They are. I 616 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: had to actually sacrifice a goat to get them to 617 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: jump my car the other week. Um. Yeah, in five 618 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: hundred years, this conspiracy is about Triple A group that's 619 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: that's running the AI Dystophia in a hundred years will 620 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: have forgotten the secret of electricity, so their ability to 621 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: jump cars, which just seem like magic, your esoteric knowledge. Somebody, 622 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: somebody finds like an old Triple A car that has 623 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: like the fucking maintenance handbook for a Toyota Corolla. Start 624 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: to worship at the secrets, and once you passed down 625 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: through the lineages, you rise to the order of unlock 626 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: new passages of the manual. Just a thousand people sitting 627 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: in front of an old Toyota and you do that 628 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: thing where you like turn the key slightly and open 629 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: the door so it starts making sound and they all 630 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: just help. That's the home of the future, meditates to 631 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: the sound of the car back then they can figure 632 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: how to navigate the bureaucracy from when they move from 633 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: one region to another to join a different sect of 634 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the Triple A. So the Freemasons were not an old 635 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 1: organization at the time Adam was advised to join them. 636 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: They had started in kind of and that we don't 637 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: know exactly when they start because there's actually not ever 638 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: going to be an exact date for when they started, 639 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: because they emerge out of a bunch of different kind 640 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: of independent groups that are all sort of similar. In 641 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: the early seventeen hundreds and by the very organic it 642 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: wasn't yes, yes, yes, there's all these independent groups doing 643 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: the same thing. And I think in seventeen fifteen, and 644 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: like I believe it was Scotland is the first time 645 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: like a bunch of them all kind of merged together 646 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: and say like, hey, we're going to be the Freemasons. 647 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a very as you said, 648 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: it's a very organic process. Um And by the late 649 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, they'd spread from the Aisles down to Bavaria, 650 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: and Adam decides, Okay, I'll dip my toes in masonry. 651 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: I would like some back up against these weirdo jesuit 652 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: fox um. And he he does a little bit of 653 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: Mason stuff, but he's kind of turned off by all 654 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: the all their weirdo occult rituals. He is like, I 655 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: want to share in trade in band knowledge, and you 656 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: guys are like dressing like Sultan's and tapping each other 657 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: with toy swords on the shoulder. Um. Like a lot 658 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: of Mason rituals are like racist costumes and silly little plates. Um. 659 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: You can go to music, you can go to Mason museums. 660 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: There's one in Los Angeles that's really interesting, and you 661 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: can see they're silly little outfits. It's like high school 662 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: theater grade level of construction. And I assume it was 663 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: not much different back at the seventeen hundreds. Try to 664 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: buy old swords. Some of the only swords from the 665 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: nineteenth century that are available are some of the Mason swords, 666 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: and they look like fucking runfair garbage. Yeah, they look 667 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: like shit, terrible swords from the fucking Mason's for all 668 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: this Mason slander. If any since they're out there, feel 669 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: free to hit me up. Yes, I will join. Oh 670 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: I could have joined at one point. My grandpa was 671 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: a Mazon, but it seemed like a complete waste of time. 672 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: Um I don't know. Yeah, hit us up, Mason's. Um, 673 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: hit us up. Grand Masonic Conspiracy. Have swords and we 674 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: can talk. Yeah. I'm already a member of multiple secret societies. 675 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: I will be happy to add another one to the roster. Yeah. 676 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: Um great. So these rituals, in addition to being cringe e, 677 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: existed to provide the men there with a sense that 678 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: what they were doing was hidden and separate from the 679 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: regular world. And I want to read a quote from 680 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: an anthropologist Janet Burke describing them. There is no question 681 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: that the adoption lodge initiation rituals were designed to heighten 682 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: dramatically the sense of friendship based on virtue among members. 683 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: They contained all the consciousness changing elements of traditional rites 684 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: of passage found in many cultures throughout history. Each ceremony 685 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: began with seclusion of the candidate in a reflection chamber. 686 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: The main part of the initialation revolved around the imparting 687 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: of knowledge, and it closed with integration into the larger 688 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: group as a full fledged member. Knowledgeable leaders imparted secrets, 689 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: extracted oaths, and demanded humility. They employed strong symbol laden 690 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: words and instruments and authority from a distant past. Candidates 691 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: were required to pass through a series of degrees and 692 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: master each before moving on towards the font of final knowledge, 693 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: the perfection promised by the organization, which was again a 694 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: ten percent discount at certain restaurants. It's amazing, It is 695 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: really funny. It's like when I go to the Army's 696 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: gonna flash my basin car. This is this is what 697 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: the elite ofment is really for. If you want free meals, 698 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: wear a circle A and then go to where go 699 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: to one of those towns where every service class working 700 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: person is an anarchist and I have I have joined 701 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: a secret society that rules the world and as the result, 702 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: every fifth trip that I take to the Sizzler is free. 703 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: So funny. Now, if you want to get free trips 704 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,879 Speaker 1: to the Sizzler, maybe that's what is being advertised next 705 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: on our podcast. You don't know, it might be listen 706 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: in Sizzler Heads Garrison. Have you ever been to the Sizzler. 707 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: No second question related. What's the most shrimp you've ever 708 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: vomited up? Probably not much, maybe like maybe five or 709 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: six shrimps. Okay, Sophie, we're taking a work trip to 710 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: the Sizzler. Gotta gotta pill Garrison on eating rancid shrimp 711 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: at the Sizzler buffet. Oh boy, all right, the rest 712 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: of you pill yourself on these ads. Ah, we're back. 713 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: We're talking about times that we and our loved ones 714 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 1: have all vomited at the Sizzler. Nothing like a Sizzler 715 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: parking lot for puking in front of like some family 716 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: four and like having these little kids just watch you hurl, 717 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: and it's it's such a good time. There's nothing I 718 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: love more than stranger's children seeing the vomit out in public. 719 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: It's it's a beautiful experience. See, I'm surprised you didn't 720 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: go for the outback with this bit. Oh. I vomited 721 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: in many an outback parking lot. You see. Puking is 722 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: kind of my magic, and I'm very much exoteric with 723 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. A vomit mate, Uh, good stuff, 724 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: I am. I am not invited you to you cannot 725 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: afford the cleaning bill. That is a constant problem with 726 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: secret societies. So Adam goes through this initiation ritual and 727 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: he thinks it's kind of stupid. Um, I have no 728 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: idea what he's gonna wind up doing. But his his 729 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: issues are like number one, he's like, these fucking Freemasons 730 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: are too new. They pretend to be an ancient society, 731 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: but they're not even a hundred years old, like, and 732 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: it's there's making me spend a bunch of money on 733 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: stupid costumes for this like bullshit. The other problem he 734 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: has is that it feels like it's too accessible to 735 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: the public. A lot of like regular people are Masons, 736 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: like normal, you know, not like super poor generally, but 737 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: like pretty normal dudes. And he's like, I want to 738 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: try again, I want to trade and like forbidden knowledge. 739 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to be hanging out with 740 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: the butcher that lives like four doors down. That's not 741 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: a good secret society. So he starts sketching out what 742 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: he wants to do, and he makes a plan to 743 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: create a better secret society, a perfect secret society. And 744 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 1: his plan is basically he wants to make an invisible 745 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: web of what he calls wisdom schools that will promote 746 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: the molding of morals, scientific and human progress, and like this, uh, 747 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: this belief he's come He's come to that the sort 748 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: of acceptance of the scientific method over religious dogma is 749 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: the path to happiness for the human race. That's that's 750 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: what he wants to spread, and he wants to spread 751 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 1: it through this like network of secret wisdom schools. So 752 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 1: on May one, seventeen seventy six, twenty eight year old 753 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: Adam White Shop founded the Covenant of Perfectability. And again 754 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: he's he's calling it that because the idea is we're 755 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: going to perfect the human race through knowledge. There's some 756 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: time happened in seventeen seventy six. Yeah, yeah, that's that. 757 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: That's it's famously the year where nothing occurred. Um. By 758 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: the fact that this happens in seventeen seventy six is 759 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 1: going to become the core of about a million stupid conspiracy. 760 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: What what horrible, horrible timing, Adam, motherfucker pick a different year. Um. 761 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: So he decides, after a brief period of time that 762 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 1: the Covenant of perfect Ability kind of a dogshit name. 763 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: Stupid stupid name. So he renames the society the Order 764 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: Illuminati Bavarians or in English, the Order of the Bavarian Illuminati. Yeah, 765 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: much better name. You gotta give it to him. This 766 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 1: is why we do a b testing doesn't Doesn't the 767 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,439 Speaker 1: Illuminati mean like the enlightened ones are something we are? Yeah, 768 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about what we'll talk about that kind of 769 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: There's a couple of debates, so Adams specifically picks it 770 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,439 Speaker 1: because of there was a Spanish organization called the illumbrados Um, 771 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: which also means illuminated ones um. He also likes the 772 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: French term illuminaise. There had been a number of little 773 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: secret societies that had versions of that in their name, 774 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: but the Latin his was Latin, and part of why 775 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: they're all using variants of illuminate of illuminated is that 776 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of in the Latin it means more like spiritual 777 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: and mental than it does like literally illuminating a space 778 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: with light. Um. Yeah um. And he he wants his 779 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: his interest here is not to create an mystic society. 780 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 1: He is not super into like the weirdo ritual stuff. 781 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: But he comes to the conclusion just based on his 782 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: low opinion of the people around him. That quote of 783 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,959 Speaker 1: all the means I know to lead men, the most 784 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: effectual is a concealed mystery. So he decides he's going 785 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,360 Speaker 1: to wrap this network of schools and like a skin 786 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: of the skin of a mystic organization, because he thinks 787 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: that will draw in more people and people who can 788 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: fund what he's doing. From the beginning, he recognized that 789 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: mostly men want a way to feel like they're special, 790 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: somehow separate from the rest of their peers in the 791 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: greater mass of humanity. Secret societies have always offered versions 792 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: of this, but in the new modern age that was 793 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: being built, a sense of connection to the mystic was 794 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,560 Speaker 1: more valued than ever. Adam's goal was to free society 795 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,840 Speaker 1: from the domination of cults like the Jesuits. But to 796 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: do it, he was going to have to create a 797 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: cult himself. The only way to stop a bad cult 798 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: with a weird religio political hierarchy as a good cult. Um, Yeah, 799 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: it's not gonna work great. So Adam starts talking with 800 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: his colleagues at the University of ingles Dot about his plans, 801 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: and they all are on board, because again, not much 802 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: is happening in the late seventeen hundreds, The first one 803 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: of the first people who kind of buys into his 804 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: idea is an eighteen year old student named Anton von Massenhausen, 805 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: and Anton suggests that he modeled the structure of his 806 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 1: secret society off of college fraternities. Now, these are not 807 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: the frats of the modern era entirely, which are based 808 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: more around partying than other things. Um, but fraternity is 809 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of an Enlightenment concept. It actually means something very 810 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: important in this period of time. It's a codification effectively 811 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: of the systems of mutual aid that had existed within 812 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: secret societies forever. Like this concept of fraternity is like 813 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,640 Speaker 1: a buzzword that's going around at the time. Um, and 814 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: it kind of goes beyond just like simple concepts of 815 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: community mutual aid. Famed sociology just E J. Hobbs Bomb 816 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: noted that society is like the Mason's elicited a sense 817 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: of fraternity in part due to the heightened alternate reality 818 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: of secret religious ceremonies that they carried out. So basically, 819 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: some of the there's this sense of fraternity, and part 820 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,080 Speaker 1: of how you inculcate that is by making people feel 821 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,360 Speaker 1: like they're they're privy to a like secret understanding of 822 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: the world that everyone else doesn't have. The first totally 823 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: not how radical politics work. It's totally. It's separate than 824 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: when someone comes an anarchist or a communist or different 825 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: or a fascist for that matter, not the same thing. 826 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: Oh maybe fascists do it, but definitely not the left. Yeah, 827 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 1: definitely not no one else, no one else. Um. This 828 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 1: is not effectively the same thought process that has made 829 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: Twitter so fucking insufferable. Um, completely different. So the first 830 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: official meeting of the Illuminati consisted of Adam Bishop and 831 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: four other dudes, all young students of law that Bishop 832 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: had either tutored or just to say, did, were good 833 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 1: kids that he could kind of manipulate. Their first order 834 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: of business was to create their own special symbol, a 835 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: wreathed medallion featuring a wide eyed owl. By the way, 836 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,359 Speaker 1: this is why there's a big owl at uh the 837 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: fucking the what is it that gathering in the woods 838 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: in northern California that all the rich people go to? Um? 839 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: Burning met No way, that's no, no, no, oh, the 840 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: one that I don't actually know much about because I'm yeah, 841 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: you could not call burning Man a secret society, um, 842 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: although there's elements of this here. No, the fucking um. 843 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: I think I learned about it from your podcast. Honestly, 844 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe I've forgotten. Yeah, Bohemian growth, Bohemian grove. Yeah, 845 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: but Bohemia is not that far away from Bavaria. No, Um, 846 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:56,280 Speaker 1: it sure isn't. It's very far away from California, not 847 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,400 Speaker 1: not Yeah, probably so. Yeah, it's so. One of the 848 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,719 Speaker 1: things that they do at the end of every Bohemian Grove, 849 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: which is like all of the rich people, rich and 850 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: powerful people go and party with Henry Kissinger for like 851 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: a week and they stage ridiculous little plays and they 852 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,080 Speaker 1: carry out a ritual and kind of the crowning moment 853 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: of it all is the cremation of care where they 854 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: burn a forty ft tall owl um. Anyway, interesting, how 855 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: how how and again this is part of where the 856 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: conspiracies come from, is that like a lot of this 857 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: ship gets passed down for whatever reason, this kind of 858 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,720 Speaker 1: image of an owl um becomes, you know, as iconic 859 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: as the Mason's eye, uh glyphs that they would put 860 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: in ship that like winds up on the US dollar 861 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. Um. Now, in that first meeting, the at 862 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,360 Speaker 1: this point five member Illuminati listed their objectives as to 863 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: stimulate a human and sociable vision, support virtue where it 864 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: may be threatened or oppressed by vice, to promote the 865 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: progress of all people, and foster and benefit those deprived 866 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: of education. Now that sounds pretty nice. That's not a 867 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,120 Speaker 1: bad not a bad list of things to do. Um. 868 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: Adam additionally promised that he would protect his followers from 869 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: persecution or oppression, and that he would tie the hands 870 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: of any kind of despotism UM by building a society 871 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: that was capable of working between national lines. Yeah, his 872 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: goal is to get as many intelligent and influential people 873 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: to secretly join his Illuminati as possible so that they 874 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: can kind of take over and manipulate the levers of 875 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: power in Europe. UM. At the time he starts the Illuminati, 876 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: Adam has moved beyond his simple desire to like support 877 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: these Enlightenment attitudes that were pro science and pro religion, 878 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,280 Speaker 1: and he's gotten increasingly radical. He started toying with deism 879 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,320 Speaker 1: and he kind of gets pilled on atheism and starts 880 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,319 Speaker 1: to believe that, like, not only is atheism a more 881 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,400 Speaker 1: rational way to look at the world, but we should 882 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,080 Speaker 1: we should push people in power in Europe who are 883 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: atheists to kind of take more power away from the Church. 884 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: And you know what, it actually seems like this whole 885 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,560 Speaker 1: monarchy thing that we're doing across Europe is a bad 886 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: idea and maybe everything should be a republic. So he 887 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 1: this is when I talk about like he's trying to 888 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,239 Speaker 1: push these secret values. What he's trying to push is 889 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,879 Speaker 1: like secularism and the idea that people get to vote. Um. 890 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 1: Now this is it is some seventy seventeen seventies six 891 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: shiit um. So obviously it's illegal for him to talk 892 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: about this where he is living. Other parts of you know, 893 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: what becomes Germany, you can talk about this, but he 894 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: cannot in Bavaria. So he borrows from the Masons and 895 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: he creates a strictly tiered ranking system for the Illuminati. 896 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from Massimo introviing here again. Although it 897 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: counted only five members, the Order was already divided into 898 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,360 Speaker 1: an areopagus consisting of Vai Shopped Massenhausen and another student, 899 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: Max Mers, whose members knew the Order was a brand 900 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,399 Speaker 1: new creation, and a circle of novices who were left 901 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: to believe that the Illuminati had instead centuries of history 902 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 1: existed outside of Ingolstadt and had mysterious leaders above the 903 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 1: Professor of law. So well, the first decision he makes is, 904 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: we have to pretend we're like a thousand years old 905 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,160 Speaker 1: and across the world and secretly rule the world. That 906 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: is where it starts, Like the Illuminati creates the Illuminati 907 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory so people won't think they're silly. That's a 908 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: good way to improve that you're not silly. This is 909 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: where it all begins. Vaishaft felt a need to hide 910 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,720 Speaker 1: the truth from his followers, which eventually extended to pretending 911 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: the Lawyer was much larger than it needed to be. 912 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: Um Now, this was justified by the needs of secrecy, 913 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: but mainly by the fact that what Adams trying to 914 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: push is extremely boring. The actual center levels of the Illuminati. 915 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 1: When you like get through all of the not all 916 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,959 Speaker 1: of the initiations and gain all of the rank, there's 917 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,360 Speaker 1: no more rituals. He just hands you a couple of 918 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: illegal books about like maybe it would be cool if 919 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,160 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church didn't run things like that's the center 920 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: of You get to the center of it, and it's like, 921 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, would be neat voting like that that's literally 922 00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: the core of the Illuminatis teaching. Yeah, but it's like 923 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: it's like it's like build it's like building this onion 924 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: of protection exactly, secrecy around that because it actually is illegal. Yeah, exactly. 925 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,200 Speaker 1: And I feel like people might actually take a few 926 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 1: notes here as not only more information gets made illegal, 927 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: like certain books or not being allowed to be shared 928 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: in schools, but also stuff like HRT and stuff like 929 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: uh like access access to abortion stuff. Right, as all 930 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 1: these things get more and more legal, these types of 931 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: secret society tactics get used again because they've been stuff 932 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,839 Speaker 1: that they've they've been things that we've been doing for 933 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 1: a long long time, depending on the circumstances, although in 934 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: this case you might want to learn from some mistakes 935 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: that they're about to make. Roma. So um, lower level 936 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: members members are promised that all of these rituals they're doing, 937 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 1: all of this magic has this like central explanation that's 938 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,759 Speaker 1: revealed the higher level, higher level members. But Adam has 939 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: no no like prep plans of actually letting most people 940 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: in on us, because again it's really risky. Um. So 941 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 1: most of the plan is to kind of keep people, 942 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,399 Speaker 1: string them along doing the silly rituals and hoping that 943 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,760 Speaker 1: that keeps enough of them happy that like the cream 944 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: will rise to the top, so to speak. I love 945 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,760 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy of that is sending enlightenment and teaching people, 946 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,799 Speaker 1: so we have to lie to these guys. Yeah. Um, 947 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: it's also one of the reasons why they do this, 948 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: which is very practical and and smart, but extremely funny, 949 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,919 Speaker 1: is um. I'm actually just gonna quote again from Introphing. Here, 950 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: the order counted on Bavarian provincial notables, indispensable for the 951 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: dues they paid, but who had affiliated themselves thinking of 952 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,440 Speaker 1: joining a kind of freemasonry in small towns where either 953 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,360 Speaker 1: there was no Masonic lodge or they did not know 954 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: where to find them. They had vaguely heard of alchemy 955 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 1: and secret rights and hoped that they would be revealed 956 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: to them. While they would not be particularly interested and 957 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: bear into old whole box anti religious philosophy, even if 958 00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,920 Speaker 1: it were revealed to them, which had of prudence, it 959 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,520 Speaker 1: was not by shops quasi Masonic imitations were pedantic and uninspired. 960 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,279 Speaker 1: The answer he invariably gave to the disappointed was that, 961 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: as in Freemasonry and the Illuminati, the first three degrees 962 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,240 Speaker 1: were preparatory to further initiations where the true ritual mysteries 963 00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: would be revealed. So a big part of this is 964 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 1: I need rich people's money, and they want to pretend that. 965 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: They want to feel like they're alchemists, so I've gotta like, 966 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: I've gotta fake that so we can fund the illegal 967 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,520 Speaker 1: book trade. Like he's conning rich people out of money 968 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: by convincing them they've become wizards in order to buy 969 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,360 Speaker 1: illegal books and trade them around Europe. I mean, alright, alright, 970 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,640 Speaker 1: that sounds all right. That is also that's kind of cool. 971 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: That's also been a cork component of wizardry for a 972 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: long time. A big part of being a wizard is 973 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: lying about alchemy and taking rich people's money. It's that 974 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,799 Speaker 1: and that's the real magic. It's it's that that also 975 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: getting sick and dying off of metal fumes being being 976 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: boiled in like an eventilated room. Those are the those 977 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: the two main comple doing alchemy at least witchcraft. They 978 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 1: just sell us crystals. H See. I want to go 979 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,320 Speaker 1: back to my favorite meme, the two guys from Predators 980 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: shaking hands and have it be wizards rednecks in the 981 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,959 Speaker 1: South with a backyard workshop inhaling metal fumes and getting 982 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: a metal flume fever, Margaret, you got anything to plug? Yes, 983 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: if you inhale books illegal books, that only the secret. 984 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: If you can find where to purchase Escape from Insul Island, 985 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: then you're on the in crowd. And I'll give you 986 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: a hint. There's a code Tangled Wilderness dot org or 987 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: wherever you purchase books. That's my most recent book. You 988 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,480 Speaker 1: can get it there. Or you can actually listen to 989 00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:01,480 Speaker 1: several of us um enact Escape from Insul Island. If 990 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: you listen to the strangers in the Tangled Wilderness podcast, 991 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: there's a live play of a role playing game based 992 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 1: on UM based on my book Escape from Insul Island. 993 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 1: That's what I got. We all played it. It was 994 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,000 Speaker 1: really good. You also have a podcast on this very network, 995 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,919 Speaker 1: oh ship I do if you like cool people who 996 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,120 Speaker 1: did cool stuff, and then you can find where to 997 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 1: It's called Cool People Did Cool Stuff. It's on cool 998 00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: Zonne Media. It comes out every Monday and Wednesday. It's 999 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: sort of the inverse behind the Bastards. Not that I 1000 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,560 Speaker 1: would ever do anything on original or derivative. Now, if 1001 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: you really want to be a cool person, who does 1002 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 1: cool stuff. What you should do is weld galvanized steel 1003 00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,080 Speaker 1: without wearing any kind of mask or respirator. Cool. Yes, 1004 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: like the wizards to Yeah, zinc is really positive. M Well, 1005 00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 1: you know I I see it at the grocery store, 1006 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: zinc pills. So clearly the most effective way to get 1007 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:03,640 Speaker 1: zinc is a Welsh calvinized steel without a mass. When 1008 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,280 Speaker 1: I used to be like really anxious and I was 1009 00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 1: doing jewelry work, I would like start freaking out and 1010 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: calling like my doctor friend as soon as I, like, 1011 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: I like soldered something that had some galvanized on it, 1012 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm about to die. Um. But 1013 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: then had one of my metalworker friends did almost die 1014 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: from accident galvanized so and that means he's in the 1015 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 1: coolest secret society of all the ancient order of nearly 1016 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: killed my lungs by welding galvinized steel. Yeah, mm hmm. 1017 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: Gare do you have anything you'd like to plug? Yeah? Sure. 1018 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: I recently wrapped up a four part series on the 1019 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,760 Speaker 1: Defend the Atlanta Forest and Stop Cops City movement in Atlanta, Georgia. 1020 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: I could be that can be found on the It 1021 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: could happen here. Podcast feed. Um yeah, it's it's it's 1022 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 1: four episodes at this point, could probably rely binge all 1023 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,959 Speaker 1: of them all in a row. Uh yeah. It covered 1024 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 1: is a lot of the stuff from the past, the 1025 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: past few months and the recent killing of a of 1026 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: a of a force defender by the Georgia State Patrol. 1027 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,320 Speaker 1: So it's a kind of some kind of some heavy stuff, 1028 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,680 Speaker 1: but also talking about I think things that are important 1029 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: you get to hear from people that are on the 1030 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: ground throughout the series. That is the that is the 1031 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: most recent kind of large project that I have that 1032 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: I've finished. Hell yeah, very cool, almost as cool as 1033 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,320 Speaker 1: inhaling metal fumes. So I will say, um, near like 1034 00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,200 Speaker 1: a few blocks away from the Anarchist Community Center inside 1035 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: inside Atlanta, there is a free miess In building just 1036 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,080 Speaker 1: like right right down the streets. So there is one 1037 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: of the front for the other possibly possibly almost certainly. 1038 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,439 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, come back next time when we will 1039 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: hear the exciting conclusion of the story of the Bavarian Illuminati. 1040 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Uh and eventually all of the other illuminaties that that 1041 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: come after it, leading to Q and on and the 1042 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: probable destruction of Western civilization. Anyway, have a good, have 1043 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:18,800 Speaker 1: a nice day. Behind the Bastards is a production of 1044 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: cool zone Media. For more from cool zone Media, visit 1045 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: our website cool zone media dot com, or check us 1046 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or 1047 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.