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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, episode the emmor Territory Podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Brad Rowland, coming to you here late in November. It's

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week and I'm joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, how

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Speaker 1: are you on this holiday time?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Brad? I'm doing great. Happy Thanksgiving to you and

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Speaker 2: everybody out there. I hope everyone is doing well and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna just rapid fire one to you. Just unprompted

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Speaker 2: by Brad, so no turkey set aside turkey for Thanksgiving?

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Speaker 2: If you could only have one side dish and one dessert,

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Speaker 2: what is Brad Roland eating on Thanksgiving? Oh man?

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Speaker 1: This is not This is difficult need a time of

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Speaker 1: a parivis, which why it's better that we didn't prepare it. Mats,

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Speaker 1: potatoes and gravy old standard. There are higher ceiling things.

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Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but that's the that's the that's

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Speaker 1: especially Thanksgiving. That's that's all reliable. And I do love

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Speaker 1: some good math potatoes dessert. I will go with banana pudding. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's extremely a southern answer, which does not pertain to you, Scott.

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Speaker 1: But also like I don't know about your family and

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Speaker 1: we could talk about this. Maybe we don't really have

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Speaker 1: like specific desserts we have all the time with Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: we have a pre standard Thanksgiving mule, But dessert's kind

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Speaker 1: of like not really the thing for us. It's like

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Speaker 1: kind of an afterthought almost. How do were you? How

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Speaker 1: do you treat it? How did you treat it growing up?

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Speaker 2: So my mom owned and operated a bakery for like

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Speaker 2: fifteen years growing so not an afterthought for you? Whatsoever?

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Speaker 2: Is what you're so correct? Yes, I would put her

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Speaker 2: baking against literally anybody I've ever had, so you know,

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Speaker 2: dessert was a big part of it. I would go

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Speaker 2: with con pie is just man, it's it's just so

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Speaker 2: good when it's right. Aside, I hate that you and

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Speaker 2: I agree on like not just like you know, sports takes,

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Speaker 2: but you know, food and pop culture stuff. But I

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Speaker 2: would also go on mashed potatoes and gravy. I can

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Speaker 2: change MoU if you want me to, like go like like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean in another cliche is stuffing. I mean a

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Speaker 2: good stuffing is is real hard to beat. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would go to answer my own question, mashed potatoes

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Speaker 2: and man a pecan pie. I'm already thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we should to say we're recre of this podcast

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Speaker 1: pre Thanksgiving. It's gonna run on Thanksgiving ish, so forgive

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Speaker 1: us for a little bit of evergreen nature on this one. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you just found Puck puckets with the first time,

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Speaker 1: we don't normally open with food talk. We are this

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Speaker 1: week because it's just the season. We are part of

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Speaker 1: thatll territory, the network. We are Hammer Territory. I find

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Speaker 1: us anywhere you get your podcasts, Subscribe, rate, review on

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Speaker 1: Apple and Spotify. We're also on YouTube. You can see

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Speaker 1: us in all of our glory, you know, on video,

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Speaker 1: and we will talk baseball for the most part on show.

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Speaker 1: And I pulled this because it was interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: Scott is as record of this podcast. It's still pretty

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Speaker 1: quiet for the Braves. The rest of the league heating

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Speaker 1: up a little bit, but it was this week almost

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Speaker 1: of the day as we're recording this, six years ago

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Speaker 1: when the Braves signed both Josh Nelson and Brian mccannon

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Speaker 1: the same day. So they are it's been a while,

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Speaker 1: but also like they're more than capable of making a

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Speaker 1: move at this moment in the calendar. I'm a little

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Speaker 1: bit afraid, just to tell the audience, I'm afraid of

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Speaker 1: baking this episode and having it be rendered meetingless in

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Speaker 1: just a matter of moments, but we're trying anyway, Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. When the Atlanta Braves have signed One

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Speaker 2: Soto and Willie Domas and Corbyn Burns in the next

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, we will have to scrap this show

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Speaker 2: and it'll be a legendary show for us to talk about.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, it was nice to see some

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Speaker 2: movement around the league. Last week there was trade with

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Speaker 2: Kansas City and Cincinnati. Of course, Blake Snell signed with

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Speaker 2: that one. So it feels like, slowly but surely things

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Speaker 2: Braves will be active sooner rather than later, because, as

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Speaker 2: you noted, historically, Alexanthopolis has been someone who likes to

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Speaker 2: is an early mover.

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Speaker 1: And you and I have talked in about a week

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Speaker 1: as we're recording this podcast, but Stephen and Sean have

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Speaker 1: talked twice since then on this podcast. Feed Number one

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Speaker 1: should be listening to those episodes, they are very, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: There was a non tender reaction deadline episode from Stephen

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Speaker 1: Rosenthal about kind of the Braves circling a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and he noted just not in a huge fashion, but

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Speaker 1: four hours. Ray Kerr is the headliner there probably, But

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Speaker 1: no surprises, But I mean, did you have any reaction

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Speaker 1: to the no tender dead line? We can kind of

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Speaker 1: did anything surprise you as we kind of get this

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Speaker 1: Gryffin Canning and Remo Loreano those are the two big ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no great surprise or shock, but I thought it

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Speaker 2: was interesting that they brought in Griffin Canning in the

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Speaker 2: Jegez Solair deal. Now, clearly the Braves really didn't have

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Speaker 2: any interest in Canning because they non tendered him. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it was pr related, maybe they didn't want to just

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Speaker 2: Jorge Solaire. But I think everybody around the club knew

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Speaker 2: that the reason for that trade was to clear up

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Speaker 2: and then Loriano. I'd be fine with bringing Loreano back

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Speaker 2: in like a fourth outfielder type capatit, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it's still late in November. You don't have to lock

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Speaker 2: yourself into ramal Moreano by any means this point in

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Speaker 2: the calendar. And frankly, he's probably going to be around

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Speaker 2: spring training if he doesn't catch on other ways, because

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Speaker 2: he was just not very good before he came to

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Speaker 2: want to overlook how important ramal Moreano was for this

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Speaker 2: not nothing money, and you clearly have to aim higher

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Speaker 2: months from now, the Braves bring Loreano back in some

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Speaker 2: kind of a capacity, but certainly not one where you

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Speaker 2: have to guarantee five or six million bucks today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been litigated before, and every time we've been

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Speaker 1: talking about Ramon, somebody in our mentions will bring up that,

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Speaker 1: the outlier player to be good while doing that. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 1: guys can do it, but he's maybe not one of them.

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Speaker 1: later on. But Alex certainly seems to be in a

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Speaker 1: mode of watching the pocketbook at this moment, just to

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Speaker 1: the mail bag. There are some negative viewpoints, if you

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Speaker 1: want to say that are penny pinching. Look, maybe they're

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Speaker 1: Alex is clearly watching closely where their money is gonna go,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean think about it like this, And

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Speaker 2: But okay, twelve million bucks for Loreano and Canning, who

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Speaker 2: might have a role on next year's team. But would

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Speaker 2: you rather have those two at twelve million or have

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Speaker 2: twelve million dollars to throw at one of the top

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Speaker 2: the rage after Blake Snell's latest deal. You know, could

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Speaker 2: you use that twelve million to entice say Willia Damis

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Speaker 2: that be the tipping point between getting a deal done

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Speaker 2: season ahead. I really feel like this is more just

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Speaker 2: and not necessarily that as of today. Okay, clearly they're

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Speaker 2: trying to cut payroll like crazy, because I just I

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Speaker 2: just don't see that happening. It's an interesting point of conversation,

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Speaker 1: You know it already, but freegency it's picking up a

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Speaker 1: projections for snel from like fangrabs and mb turnmembers, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: last winter was a perfect example of this. The race

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Speaker 1: were kind of fine by this point, but as far

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean that it's something going to be everybody signs,

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Speaker 1: but at least start somebody on the board to set

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was gonna say, I think Max Freed

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Speaker 2: owes like Snell and Scott Boris a beer next time

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Speaker 2: they meet up, because I mean, what is that five

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Speaker 2: And as we've kind of suspected, Brad, I don't want

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Speaker 2: libertyes spun off the Bravest holding company, but they're still

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Speaker 2: the controlling owner, so it's still Liberty. I understand.

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Speaker 1: It might be the absolute perfect thing, but Liberty is

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Speaker 1: the owner of the team. Still, uh yeah, they I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that number is and Alex will never

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Speaker 1: tell us, nor should he.

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Speaker 2: It would actually be bad for.

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Speaker 1: Him to share that information publicly, because you want to

436
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Speaker 1: be able to negotiate, like you don't want to. You

437
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Speaker 1: don't want the world to know what your actual max

438
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Speaker 1: budget is. That's one of the things about this, like

439
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Speaker 1: you don't want that to happen. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: last year they were like two hundred and seventy eight

441
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Speaker 1: million attax ali cation and that was what they lower

442
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Speaker 1: tax line. They were forty million or so over the

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Speaker 1: tax line last year. So if Alex's payroll is going

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Speaker 1: to go up statement were to actually be true, that's

445
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Speaker 1: a big gap from where they are right now, and

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Speaker 1: we don't know that to be the case.

447
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Speaker 2: We just don't know.

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Speaker 1: All we can do on the outside is listening to

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Speaker 1: the reporting. Take what Alex says at face value, not

450
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Speaker 1: always as gospel, but it is a part of the

451
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Speaker 1: calculus we talk about this stuff, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's it's important to keep that in mind. Like guys,

453
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Speaker 1: and this is not just Alex or any other GM

454
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Speaker 1: or any other across sports. Like gms will lie to

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Speaker 1: you strategically, maybe not lie, you know what I mean,

456
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Speaker 1: misspeak or whatever every want to say it.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't only have to tell us the truth.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we agree on this I'll be

459
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Speaker 1: surprised if they stay under, but I wouldn't be, like

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't fall on the floor. I guess I just

461
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Speaker 1: don't think you said a minute ago. We'll probably know

462
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Speaker 1: in like one move this is going to happen. Like

463
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Speaker 1: if the Brave signed Nathany Abaldi, I'm pretty sure that

464
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Speaker 1: means they're not going to stand on the tax. H

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Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure, but like that's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good indicator. I mean even more so if they were

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Speaker 1: to get into the Adamina sweepstakes, like that would take

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Speaker 1: them into the tacks on it. So that's one move

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Speaker 1: and you'd be suddenly at the tax. So like that's

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Speaker 1: out the window at that point in time.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I mean just answered the question very plainly. Is

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Speaker 1: there any chances that with the questions posed, Yes, there

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Speaker 1: is a chance. I think it's unlikely, but there is

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Speaker 1: a chance. That's what I would say, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: agree with that.

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Speaker 2: Again, it's not my money, it's not your money, it's

478
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Speaker 2: not anybody listening's money. I would rather spend the cash

479
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Speaker 2: and hang on to prospects, not have to dip into

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Speaker 2: a Drake Baldwin or an A. J. Smith Shaver or

481
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Speaker 2: Ana Choe Alvarez. I'd much rather spend the money again,

482
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Speaker 2: not my cash.

483
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Speaker 1: But long time we had to break out the breakout

484
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Speaker 1: the I used to have to like look at the

485
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Speaker 1: payroll stuff and get really mad. When I was yelling

486
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Speaker 1: about Liberty not spending five six years ago, I would

487
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Speaker 1: go through. I would go through the revenue statements and

488
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Speaker 1: be like, this is ridiculous, why if they spend more?

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Speaker 1: And since then, again, to their credit, they have spent

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Speaker 1: the money. So we haven't done that in a long

491
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Speaker 1: time on our old podcast. On this podcast, I haven't

492
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Speaker 1: had to go take ownership to task in several years

493
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Speaker 1: because they've they've been a top five, top six payroll team.

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Speaker 1: That's where they should be. If they're suddenly not that,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna express some frustration with that on behalf of

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Speaker 1: everybody else, I think, I mean, that's what we will

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Speaker 1: probably have to do, but I think it's not gonna

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Speaker 1: happen if I have to guess, yeah, same here.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Question In fact, this could be related. I'm gonna skip

501
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Speaker 1: one to come back to it. This one's kind of

502
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Speaker 1: related to the last one comes from Mathis, who says

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Speaker 1: if the Braves upgrade shortstop for the long term. He

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Speaker 1: didn't say who or how, but upgrade shortstop, we'll say,

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Speaker 1: is this the perfect time to trade Nacho Alvarez? So

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Speaker 1: interesting thought because Nacho has been a shortstop prospect. He

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Speaker 1: came up this last year in Atlanta. It was obviously

508
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Speaker 1: a disaster and a small sample size. We all know that,

509
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Speaker 1: but he's still twenty one years old and still very

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Speaker 1: well regarded. So with that has the backdrop, Scott, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this hypothetical? Like, again, assuming they

512
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Speaker 1: get Kim or a Damis or a trade guy, we

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Speaker 1: don't see that's locking up shortstop for multiple seasons.

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Speaker 2: What do you do with Nacho at that point? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would say I would love to know internally what

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Speaker 2: the Braves think of Nacho Alvarez. Statistically had a great

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Speaker 2: season for only twenty one years old. It was really

518
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Speaker 2: good in Double A and Triple A. You know, there

519
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Speaker 2: is a question about where he's gonna play long term,

520
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Speaker 2: maybe second base, maybe third base, And of course that

521
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Speaker 2: leads you to this question is, well, if the Braves

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Speaker 2: at a shortstop for multiple years and they have Ozzie

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Speaker 2: Alby's at second base, who has two club options through

524
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, so very cheap, still very cheap, very

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Speaker 2: very very cheap, seven million dollars a club option for Ozzie,

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Speaker 2: So he would have to fall off the earth to

527
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Speaker 2: not have at least one, if not both of those

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Speaker 2: picked up. And then they have that Austin Riley fell

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Speaker 2: at at third base. I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 2: move him. So if they had a shortstop, there's really

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're not giving away Nacho Alvarez for nothing,

532
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Speaker 2: but he literally would not have anywhere to play for

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Speaker 2: a minimum of three years, so you kind of have

534
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Speaker 2: to at that point. Maybe they could turn him into

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Speaker 2: like a super utility guy and try to get something

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Speaker 2: out of him that way at the major league level.

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Speaker 2: But again, if they have a legitimate second base, shortstop,

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Speaker 2: third base, I you know, I don't really see a

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Speaker 2: future for Nacho in Atlanta, And then you could use

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Speaker 2: him to trade for a starting pitcher or an impact reliever. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the kind of prospect and I'm

542
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Speaker 1: using that soft term like it's not just about him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the kind of archetype right now on

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Speaker 1: this roster that would make sense to trade, not because

545
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be bad or that he won't be good

546
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Speaker 1: long term somewhere else. But maybe his best path as

547
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Speaker 1: a major leaguer is as like a league ad bridge

548
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Speaker 1: middle endfielder somewhere. Yeah, which there's there's real value in that.

549
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Speaker 1: By the way, there's a really there's a real value

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Speaker 1: in that for a lot of teams because for instance,

551
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Speaker 1: like He's, he's a he's not a badfielder about any means,

552
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Speaker 1: but like he's he's been praised for his hit tool,

553
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Speaker 1: but his power kind of came a little bit last year.

554
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Speaker 1: But he has eighteen whole runs in more than a

555
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Speaker 1: thousand played appearances at the minor league level. Like he's

556
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Speaker 1: he hits like a middle infielder, not in a bad way,

557
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Speaker 1: but like that's kind of what he profiles is at

558
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Speaker 1: the plate. And yeah, he could play some third base,

559
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Speaker 1: but like you don't want that offensive profile at third base.

560
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Speaker 1: Probably you probably want that in the up the middle somewhere.

561
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Speaker 1: And yeah, there is a conversation to be had about

562
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Speaker 1: maybe trying to get Ozzie off second base because his

563
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: defense is not good there anymore. That's a real consumption

564
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Speaker 1: that you can have. So maybe maybe that's a pathway

565
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six that maybe Ozzie isn't playing second

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Speaker 1: base for you after this next after this coming season,

567
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Speaker 1: not but you wouldn't just decline his option. Maybe you

568
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Speaker 1: move him to d H or something like that. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: there's a conversation with that. But in the meantime, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you have a guy, it's kind of

571
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Speaker 1: like the vond Grissom thing, right, and the von Grissom

572
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: thing ended up being Chris Sale, which is obviously a

573
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Speaker 1: home run. But we went into last winter thinking, hey,

574
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Speaker 1: it's time to probably trade von Grissom because he didn't

575
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Speaker 1: have any word except thing he had nowhere to go

576
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He wasn't gonna play shortstop in Atlanta. The

577
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Speaker 1: didn't want they wanted to play there. So his his

578
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Speaker 1: biggest value was as a trade piece. I'm not sure,

579
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Speaker 1: it's not like one hundred percent there right now, But

580
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Speaker 1: if you're Alex and you don't believe that he's gonna

581
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Speaker 1: be your short stop in the future, which this question

582
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Speaker 1: assumes he's not, you probably need to trade him sooner

583
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Speaker 1: rather than later, because if he either slumpson triple A

584
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Speaker 1: or whatever, he's twenty one years old, like I'm sure

585
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Speaker 1: a team would love to have a guy that they're

586
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Speaker 1: projecting as a starting caleber player on a dirt cheat

587
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: contract for the next five or six years. That's that

588
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: does have real value for a player at this age.

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Speaker 1: It just might be one of those situations where his

590
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Speaker 1: value is more to another team.

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean, if I had to guess today,

592
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that Nancho Alvarez is a totally fine,

593
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Speaker 2: playable second baseman at the major league level. You know,

594
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Speaker 2: there's little in his profile that makes me think or

595
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Speaker 2: even the battery power prospect guys think that Nacho is

596
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Speaker 2: going to become like a five war star one day.

597
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: But he does do some things well. He hit well

598
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Speaker 2: at at he was two years younger than his his

599
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: competitors in Double A and Triple A this past year,

600
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Speaker 2: shoot three or four years younger than most of them

601
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Speaker 2: in Triple A, and more than held his own. But

602
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: you von grissom perfect comparison. It's tough to find a

603
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Speaker 2: path to playing if the Braves upgrade shortstop, you know,

604
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: if they don't, then maybe, yeah, I'm guessing maybe, then

605
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: you hold on to him and see if he can

606
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: stick it short Because clearly Orlando Arcia is not the

607
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: long term guy at Shortstop. Any means, oh he's not.

608
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Speaker 2: He's not Captain Keptain obvious here on Thanksgiving.

609
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so uh, this is not ITSI Nacho at all.

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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear about that. We're not

611
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Speaker 1: like out on him. He's still very young. He's a

612
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Speaker 1: probably a major leaguer. It's just that he may not

613
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Speaker 1: have that position to take in Atlanta. Speaking of the

614
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Speaker 1: Chris Sale trade, this is not intentional, but we'll go

615
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: there now. From Carl, the question that says, is there

616
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Speaker 1: anything Chris Sale could do from this point forward to

617
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Speaker 1: make that trade bad for the Braves? Short answer no,

618
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Speaker 1: for me, we could give us some more depth on this,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say this. It's the last time you and

620
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Speaker 1: I talked. He won this out young officially, so that

621
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Speaker 1: was not a surprise. He should have won it. He

622
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: was deserving of that. He also got a second place

623
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Speaker 1: MVP vote along with Marcel. They both got sick MVP votes.

624
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Speaker 1: That was kind of surprising to me, and neither one

625
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Speaker 1: of them. I looked right away, Scott, because I'm like this,

626
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Speaker 1: I'm a media person. Neither of them were from Atlanta voters.

627
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Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised when I saw that. I

628
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Speaker 1: was like, I bet you someone in Atlanta vote from

629
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Speaker 1: marcel Or Sale and it wasn't, so it was somebody else.

630
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Speaker 2: There you go. Anyway, he was awesome this year. We

631
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Speaker 2: understand that.

632
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Speaker 1: Okay, is there any way that could that it could

633
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Speaker 1: be bad at this point time? What's the downside scenario, Scott,

634
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: now that he's bag to Cy Young season?

635
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we have to hope that Chris is

636
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: healthy for at least the next year where he's around

637
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: and he has that team option that was added on

638
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: to his reworked deal last week.

639
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: He's guaranteed this year and now club option for next year,

640
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: which is the change that yes, Scot's referring to.

641
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and man, even in our wildest dreams,

642
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: even the most bullish Chris Sale believer, I'm not sure

643
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: that anyone could have said this is going to be

644
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: a runaway Cy Young winner in twenty twenty four for Atlanta. No,

645
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: he was so good and just really from that first start.

646
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember that first start against Philadelphia that

647
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: Braves ended up losing that game, but I mean I

648
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: think we did a podcast that night and said, man,

649
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Chris Sale. This looks like young vintage Chris Sale, slinging

650
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: mid nineties fastballs with that wipeout slider, and little did

651
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: we know, that was just the beginning for a very,

652
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: very good season. You know. In terms of von Grissom,

653
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: last year was not good with Boston. He did not

654
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: play well. He there was an interview or two he

655
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: had with the media where that did not go well.

656
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 2: And we're not going to crucify a twenty three year

657
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: old for saying something dumb to the media in sports,

658
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: because that happens all the time. But it was a

659
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: bad year for Vaughan. I'm still not sure what position

660
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: or what his future is with Boston, but sure, I mean,

661
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: he could come on and figure it out. It's not

662
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: like every player has to have everything figured out by

663
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: the time they're twenty three years old, but at least today,

664
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: and I'm guessing when we look back on this deal

665
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: in a couple of years, it looks like a mega

666
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: win for the Braves, especially when you consider that they

667
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: basically didn't pay Chris Sale last year because Boston included

668
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars in that deal. Yeah, he'd have to

669
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: be terrible this year.

670
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: We'll guarantee because but if he was terrible, they would

671
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: just not pick up the option. So he couldn't give

672
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: back all of his value from last year one season.

673
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: It would be impossible.

674
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: And he has never been terrible his entire game, which is.

675
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: That was the one thing to our credit that we said,

676
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I think probably ten times last winter about Chris Sale.

677
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: You and I was that, hey, guys, he may not

678
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: be healthy, but he's never been bad ever.

679
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: And we were You said, we were not expecting what

680
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: he did, but him being good was not surprised. It's

681
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: just that him being healthy, knock on wood, was the

682
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: more of a surprise. Anyway, Yeah, I think the answer

683
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: is probably know. Look, I actually hope von Grissom figures

684
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it out and is good to be great. It would

685
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: make the trade look less like an absolute Grand Slam

686
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: for the Brace, but I don't care about that. It

687
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: doesn't actually matter, so go von Grissom. But yeah, great trade.

688
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it not being great trade for the

689
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: Braves given what happened this year. But a funny question nonetheless,

690
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: all right, Scott, you teased that this might be our

691
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: last question of the day. We'll see from j D

692
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: K who says, would you rather trade the farm? And

693
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: he actually says the farm for Garrett Crochet. This contract

694
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: allows for other big upgrades beyond Garrett Crochet, or sign

695
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Nathan Eovaldi at twenty million a year and make what

696
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: he describes as moderate upgrades elsewhere.

697
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: So Crochet and.

698
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: Some more money to spend, or Eovaldi and self described

699
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: moderate upgrades elsewhere, which one would routed?

700
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: All right? So I got to hedge my answer here, Brad,

701
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: because we haven't a guess that Garrett Crochet is going

702
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: to command a very very high prospect return.

703
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: Would you concur with that given the fact that he

704
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: is now pretty clearly I guess him Max Freed. Are

705
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the two left handed starting pitchers available really beyond?

706
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: Still?

707
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that it would be a shock if

708
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: Crochet got traded for a less than stellar package.

709
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Crochet has two more years of arbitration, so

710
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: he will be cheap for two years. And then we

711
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: just saw Blake Snell, for example, get their four million

712
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: dollars a year. That's massive, right, That's a thirty million

713
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: dollar difference next season what Crochet is going to make

714
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: compared to a Snell, maybe twenty five million less than

715
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: a Max Freed. Of course, for Crochet you have to

716
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: give up considerable prospects. There was some loose reporting on

717
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 2: maybe what Philadelphia had been floating out there for Crochet

718
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: with the White Sox. It was nothing like mind blowing.

719
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Speaker 2: If okay, to answer the question, if the return for

720
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: Crochet is nothing astronomical, then of course I would take

721
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: him very talented. At worst, you get him for two

722
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: years real cheap, then of course you could do one

723
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: of the extensions that is very in trend for alex Entthopolis.

724
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you're telling me that it's going

725
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: to be pick names out of a hat Drake Baldwin, A. J. Smith, Shauber,

726
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: and Nacho Alvarez to get Garrett Crochet, then for my mind,

727
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: I would not do that. I would rather do free

728
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: agency and spend the money. Where are you at with this, Brad?

729
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does depend on on what the return

730
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: is for Crochet, for sure. And you know one of

731
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: the things with Crochet is that he has two years left.

732
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: But like, do you trade the farm for him without

733
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: expecting to pay him long term? Because I don't know

734
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: if I'm in the business of signing gret Gear Crochet

735
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: to a huge extension, because I'm not in the business

736
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: of signed pitchers to a huge extension. Is generally speaking,

737
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: if they are bargain basement ones like the one that

738
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: Stritter got. Sure you go ahead and do that, that's fine,

739
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: but that's not what this would be. So that's that's

740
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: a big that's kind of a different question. But yeah,

741
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Crochet is better enough than Eovaldi

742
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: to where if the deal was reasonable, I would probably

743
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: choose that path because then you could turn around and

744
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: spend money on whoever, whether it's a shortstop or of

745
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: corn Owfield or whatever. I've leaned that way. And also,

746
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's not not to pick up the question.

747
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: It's a good question signing Evaldi like what are the

748
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: other matter upgrades?

749
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean? Was that?

750
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: What does that actually mean? Is it Eovaldi and Hassan

751
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: Kim Like I'm okay with that, Like that sounds good

752
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: to me. Is Eovaldi and Santander?

753
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. There's other ways to do this

754
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, though.

755
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: More often than not, I would probably lean to Crochet

756
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: with the asterisk that you gave to Like, I am

757
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: not a big empty the farm system for pitcher guy.

758
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna do that, it needs to

759
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: be for position player because it's just a lot safer.

760
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: But I do think Crochet is awesome.

761
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: He's very good. I'd be very excited to have him.

762
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: It's just that.

763
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny because if people listen to

764
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: us for a long time, we'll probably know this. But

765
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: I generally am more aggressive aout trade prospects than most

766
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: people are. I am aside from the uber elite prospects

767
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: like you're Ronald Akunya junior tier of prospects. I generally

768
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: lean to trading guys versus not trading guys. Not every time,

769
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: but I'm more aggressive than some.

770
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

771
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: And the Braves don't really have anybody right now that's

772
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: considered to be that level of prospect that's like totally untouchable.

773
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you, I'm not saying you don't feel about Maybe

774
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: you feel that about that way about Baldwin or one

775
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: of the pictures if you have your favorite guy. But

776
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: for me, none of those guys meet that requirement. For me,

777
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I think bald One's the guy that I would have

778
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: the highest price on if I was the Braves right now.

779
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not an expert of prospects, but given the position,

780
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he's not a picture like the guy,

781
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: he'd be the guy that I'd be least excited to trade.

782
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: But also they have Sean Murphy, so it's not like

783
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: it's this crazy decision to trade big Waldwin. So long

784
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: story short, I think I'd probably make the trade for

785
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Crochet as long as it wasn't like insane value wise.

786
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it might be insane. It might be oh yeah,

787
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. That you have a dozen a

788
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: dozen teams bidding on Crochet, it might get to a

789
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: point where it's like, we can't do this deal.

790
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: Whether well it is two years, that's helpful as far

791
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: as keep control is concerned, But it might only be

792
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: two years. Keep that in mind, like if he was

793
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: a if he was a guy who had four years

794
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: of control, like, it becomes a lot easier to spend

795
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: your prospect capital. But if you're if it's going to

796
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: require you to send out your top four prosps back

797
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: or something for Gret Crochet for two years, it's probably

798
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: not worth it at that point.

799
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: Maybe it is. I don't know, he might be good,

800
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: you know. And of course the other part of that

801
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: is not knowing what the contract extension would look like.

802
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: Of course, probably a lot, but you know, you never know. Yeah,

803
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: and you know, I just one point on, we'll say

804
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: risk aversion to long term contracts with starting pitchers. I mean,

805
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: think about two years ago, Brad, this time two years ago,

806
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Wright was coming off a twenty one win breakout season.

807
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: Look like you be a cornerstone, my guy. I miss

808
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: Kyle Wright. Looked like he was going to be a

809
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: cornerstone of this rotation for at minimum the next few years.

810
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: Ian Anderson wasn't far removed from being a postseason and

811
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: World Series hero. And since then, what's happened with Kyle Wright?

812
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: What's happened with Ian Anderson? Injuries? It's it is a

813
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: nasty game with pitchers, and not that you can run

814
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: your organization in a way where well, we can never

815
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: have a pitcher for more than one year because he

816
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: might get hurt. But the point I'm making is you

817
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: can feel really really good about a Kyle Wright and

818
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: guess what, Since then he made what four starts for

819
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: the Braves and blew out his shoulder and now he's

820
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: not even with the team anymore. I'm not saying that's

821
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: going to happen if they trade for Garrett Crochet, but

822
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: with any pitcher, unless it is a Spencer Strider, who

823
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: even though he was given a seven year deal, he

824
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: was twenty two years old at the time, you were

825
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: going to basically have him no matter what because of

826
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: his contract control. It is a really risky proposition to

827
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: give any starting pitcher with the way that they get hurt,

828
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: a mega deal. It's really the same argument against signing

829
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: Max Freed for seven or eight years, because Max has

830
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: been very good for a long time. But if his

831
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: elbow or his shoulder blow and he's thirty two, thirty

832
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: three years old, there's a whole lot of years and

833
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: a whole a whole lot of dollars guaranteed on that deal,

834
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 2: and you're kind of stuck and screwed at that point.

835
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's there's a reason this could be.

836
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: It's all in Son show in a lot of ways.

837
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: There's a reason why I'm I'm a little bit averse

838
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 1: to picture pictures in general.

839
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: Especially in general.

840
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I really I mean that in a you know,

841
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: it has to be favorable for me to give a

842
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: picture that you already had control over. Like, it's different

843
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: in free agency. You just have to spend up sometimes

844
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: on a free agent picture. That's just the reality. But

845
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: for extensions, the Strider one was the example of one

846
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: that I liked because it was so not a risk

847
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: compared to like, even even if Strider just never is

848
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: Striter again, it wouldn't be that bad of It wouldn't

849
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: be that bad of a deal because of what they

850
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: already got out of it. They just bought out his

851
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: arbitration years out of a little bit. It was a

852
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: very modest extension. It was team friendly for a reason.

853
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: They basically bought out one or maybe two free agent years.

854
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: And I mean it's like twenty million, so it's not nothing.

855
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: But but that's the kind of deal that doesn't kill you,

856
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: right exactly if you do a big deal for Garrett

857
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Speaker 1: Crochet and like we're right down the rattle year. But

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Speaker 1: if if you give a big extension out to a

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Speaker 1: pitcher and they break, as pitchers do, and it's three

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Speaker 1: or four years of big money that you just don't

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Speaker 1: get anything from, that's a disaster. Like that that becomes

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Speaker 1: a disaster. And look, there's a risk with any extensions.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's not, it's just with pictures the

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Speaker 1: risk tends to be higher because of injury and even volatility.

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Speaker 2: If they're healthy.

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Speaker 1: The position player projections are just easier to make based

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Speaker 1: on the agent curve they're playing every day.

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Speaker 2: The value anyway, this is none of this is new.

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Speaker 1: It's just that I I really lean into that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to prospect trades, who you trade for, all

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Speaker 1: that stuff kind of comes. You need pitching. You need pitching.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. But you need volume of pitching. And

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Speaker 1: you also can't rely on a single guy in the

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Speaker 1: same way you can rely on Austin Riley or Matt

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Speaker 1: Olsen to show up and play well even if they

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Speaker 1: have a bad year. Middelsen didn't have a great year

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Speaker 1: this year. Madilson was a good was a good player

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Speaker 1: this year even in a down season. That's a good

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Speaker 1: example of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, And you think about the long term deals

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Speaker 2: the Braves have done other than Strider, it's exclusively positioned players.

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Speaker 2: I mean hell, and.

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Speaker 1: Again that's because Strider I was so cheap. Otherwise, they

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Speaker 1: just they just don't max. Look everyone will, we would

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Speaker 1: love it if they if they extended Max and this

886
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Speaker 1: was a non factor. But there was a reason that

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Speaker 1: deal didn't happen. It wasn't just Max's side that didn't

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Speaker 1: want it. I'm sure there was a number that Alex

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Speaker 1: could have given Max Free to sign an extension, of course,

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Speaker 1: and Alex Alex was not going to pay market rate

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Speaker 1: for an extension for Max Free. And I'm okay with

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Speaker 1: that decision. I'm not saying that it's a great decision,

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Speaker 1: but I'm okay with it. It makes total logical sense

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Speaker 1: to me. And you're right, it's you don't have to

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Speaker 1: look any further than what out and then the guys

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Speaker 1: that Alex is paid. And maybe maybe I'll sign Schwomen

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Speaker 1: back to one of those deals. But I can almost

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Speaker 1: guarantee you that if he does it, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a like Strider's deal. It's gonna be a modest, team friendly,

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Speaker 1: make the guy wealthy for his entire life trade I

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Speaker 1: mean extension. That's a great deal for making sure you

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Speaker 1: have money the rest of your life. Spencer has hit

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Speaker 1: to you, same thing, but it won't be for two

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, So I do

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Speaker 2: think the Braves. To wrap up this question, I do

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Speaker 2: think the Braves are legitimately interested in Crochet. There was

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Speaker 2: reporting at the trade deadline that they were in on Crochet,

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Speaker 2: and there was reporting I believe recently, even from maybe

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Speaker 2: Morosi or Ken Rosenthal, that the Braves are interested in

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Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet. It's just going to come down to what

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Speaker 2: the prospect cost is, and as part of that negotiation,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Braves would do some investigative work on

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Speaker 2: what Crochet in his camp are thinking in terms of

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Speaker 2: an extension, because if they're thinking something saying like eight

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Speaker 2: years and two hundred and twenty five million, then you

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Speaker 2: say no thanks, not even going to think about it.

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Speaker 2: But if it's more reasonable, if it's say six years

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Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifty million, which is basically a

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Speaker 2: four year extension on top of his ar years, then

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Speaker 2: it's like, okay, that makes more sense. We have them

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Speaker 2: for two. Sure, you're taking risk adding four more years on,

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Speaker 2: but that's the price of doing business. It's all a

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Speaker 2: calculation and we'll see. But it feels like a virtual

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Speaker 2: lock that Crochet gets traded, And if I had to

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Speaker 2: handicap it, I'd say the Braves are probably in the

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Speaker 2: top five of teams who could ultimately trade.

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Speaker 1: For sounds good to me. Scott, that's a podcast on

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Speaker 1: a Thanksgiving edition. We have more build back questions that

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Speaker 1: we'll get to in the future. But as things tend

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Speaker 1: to happen with Scott and I talk, we got going

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Speaker 1: and it is what it is, Scott, I people are

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Speaker 1: basketball or whatever else is happening your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a rough couple of weeks for sports Bread.

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