WEBVTT - #755 Packers Unscripted: Previewing the Panthers

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my partner

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<v Speaker 2>in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from

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<v Speaker 2>our studios at lambeau Field to preview Packers and Panthers.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be a Sunday noon Central Time kickoff from Charlotte,

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<v Speaker 2>and Wes will take a look at this Carolina Panthers team,

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<v Speaker 2>which has had a rough season two and twelve on

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<v Speaker 2>the year. But as far as this game goes, the

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<v Speaker 2>most important thing as far as the Carolina Panthers are concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they went one to oh last week. They

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<v Speaker 2>ended a long losing streak, got a win with a

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<v Speaker 2>last second field goal over a division rival in the

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Falcons in a steady rainstorm down there in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you watch the highlights of that game and

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<v Speaker 2>see how fired up the Carolina Panthers were to chalk

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<v Speaker 2>up a win, I'm telling you these guys are going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring everything they've got against the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>on something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was really interesting listening to Keishawn Nixon discussed

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<v Speaker 3>this because while the Raiders had much more success with

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<v Speaker 3>Rich Bassacia as their interim head coach. Keishawn mentioned how

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<v Speaker 3>that can be an invigorating process for a football team,

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<v Speaker 3>a rallying cry, if you will, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 3>Panthers I think are kind of going through right now

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<v Speaker 3>with I believe it's a Chris Tabor that took Chris Taber, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>took over now in longtime role, respected special teams coach

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<v Speaker 3>in the league, taking over after Frank Reich was let go,

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<v Speaker 3>and watching those post game videos of them in the

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<v Speaker 3>locker room. I mean tell you this, Mike, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think you could have guessed that that team was two

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<v Speaker 3>and twelve. I think a lot of people have been like, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that was a win that keeps them in the

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<v Speaker 3>playoff hunt. There's no replacement for victory in this league.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Carolina Panthers they.

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<v Speaker 1>Are what they are.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Bryce Young has had a really rough rookie season.

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<v Speaker 3>They're ranked thirtieth in offense. But on any given Sunday,

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<v Speaker 3>any of these teams are good enough to win, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers can't take it for granted.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the biggest thing that the biggest things that stand

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<v Speaker 2>out with regard to the Panthers offense. You mentioned Bryce Young.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the number one overall pick in the draft. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that the Carolina Panthers are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>building around, and we'll see what happens as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching decisions they make for next year, since they

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<v Speaker 2>moved on from Frank rag before his first season was

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<v Speaker 2>even over. At running back, Chewba Hubbard, He's got nearly

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand combined yards rushing and receiving. He's over nine

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<v Speaker 2>hundred when you combine the runs and the catches and

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<v Speaker 2>the old veteran guy the Packers are very familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>in Adam Thielen, who don't look now, but on a

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<v Speaker 2>team that obviously has struggled offensively, eighty nine catches, eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and seventy yards, four touchdowns, he's as productive as ever.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mentioned this inn Insider inbox. If there's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple things that if there's a couple things that I

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<v Speaker 2>am on high alert for. As far as the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>defense is concerned going into this game, it's Bryce Young's

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<v Speaker 2>running ability, which could involve the zone read plays, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with what Tommy DeVito did to the Packers defense on

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<v Speaker 2>the Monday night game against the Giants where a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of zone read plays and he gained you know, forty

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<v Speaker 2>fifty yards combined on those two. And then Adam Thielen

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<v Speaker 2>on third downs. You have to know where that guy

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<v Speaker 2>is because he will find an opening at the sticks

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<v Speaker 2>and count on his quarterback to deliver the ball. And

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<v Speaker 2>Adam Thielen is a guy who can just make it

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for your defense to get off the field.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was the old Toby Keith line right

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<v Speaker 3>about how I'm not as good as I once was,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm good once I'll ever as I've ever been. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Thielen, I think you know they made a big

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<v Speaker 3>decision this year with the Vikings letting him go. And

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<v Speaker 3>if I remember correctly memory serves, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 3>Carolina Panthers wasted much time picking them up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And when you look at the construct of this offense

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<v Speaker 3>and what they were looking to achieve from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>it was giving your young quarterback and option in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the field one of the best, most viable

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<v Speaker 3>slot receivers and dependable guys that you're going to look

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<v Speaker 3>for in Adam Thielen. And I think he's met that criteria.

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<v Speaker 3>He's on his way to a thousand yard season for them,

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<v Speaker 3>which is impressive considering the issues they've had passing the

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<v Speaker 3>ball this year. And again, I'm if I'm this offensive

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<v Speaker 3>coaching staff for Carolina, I'm putting on the film from

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<v Speaker 3>these last two games and telling my guys, it's all

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<v Speaker 3>out there for you when you look again, like you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned with what DeVito did two weeks ago, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of trickeration, a lot of Reid option staff, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of just scrambled drills turning into leaking runs. And then

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<v Speaker 3>last week Chris Godwin ten catches one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>five yards. This team, in terms of the construct of

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<v Speaker 3>it is actually built to match up pretty well with

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<v Speaker 3>Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the Packers standpoint to show you the hope

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<v Speaker 1>is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Bryce Young has just really struggled with anything downfield. It

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<v Speaker 3>has been a pretty rudimentary passing game for them this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>short stuff underneath and a lot of horizontal stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>try to get the ball to his guys in space

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<v Speaker 2>to make plays. These guys throw, these guys try to

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<v Speaker 2>stretch you horizontally defensively, and try to find openings up

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<v Speaker 2>the sideline.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I just look at this matchup for Green

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<v Speaker 3>Bay defensively, and I don't want to use the word

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<v Speaker 3>get right here, but this is an opportunity. It's an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to go up against an offense that has had

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<v Speaker 3>some legitimate problems here. They have not scored more than

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<v Speaker 3>twenty points since week six when I mentioned Bryce Young,

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<v Speaker 3>he has not thrown a touchdown pass in more than

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<v Speaker 3>a month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did what he had to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do to win in that rainstorm last week, but other

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<v Speaker 3>than that, it has been a real grind for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Stopping Hubbard, stopping feeling, and probably playing a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>single high safety in this one would be probably my

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<v Speaker 3>plan in terms of just making sure that you take

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<v Speaker 3>away the short stuff and keep them in the third

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<v Speaker 3>and lungs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the other thing too, when you're going up

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<v Speaker 2>against an offense that throws a lot of short stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, the underneath stuff, the horizontal stuff. They're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get yards after the catch. You got to

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<v Speaker 2>make tackles. If you allow them to break tackles, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not sound in your tackling, that is where they

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<v Speaker 2>will move the chains and get the momentum of their

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<v Speaker 2>offense going. The other statistic with them that sticks out

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<v Speaker 2>is fifty four sacks allowed, and for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems that and I think this is a big

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<v Speaker 2>reason that Bryce Young has had so many struggles is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that pressure is up the middle. The

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<v Speaker 2>interior of their offensive line is probably their biggest weakness there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know this, so this is a game that

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<v Speaker 2>just screams Kenny Clark all over the place. I mean, Clark,

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<v Speaker 2>who's coming off of a you know what, was a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous effort, an absolutely tremendous effort against the Buccaneers, even

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<v Speaker 2>though overall the Packers defense obviously did not play well.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kenny Clark was a force in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the defense for the Packers last week, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be a guy that will show up

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<v Speaker 2>big this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Nash Jensen is They're starting right guard right now.

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<v Speaker 3>He's an undrafted rookie, has been in there the last

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<v Speaker 3>couple of games.

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<v Speaker 1>There's going to be opportunities there.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think green Bay, coming off the five sack

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<v Speaker 3>performance last week. Pressure and coverage are always married. They're

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<v Speaker 3>always tied together, hand in hand. But especially with what

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<v Speaker 3>happened two weeks ago against DeVito, this would be the

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<v Speaker 3>one where I think the extra emphasis is placed on

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<v Speaker 3>the rush lanes, on your gap integrity, making sure that

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<v Speaker 3>you finish to the ball, and realistically, I think it

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<v Speaker 3>comes down to both sides of it. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 3>the defense here in a second, but the Packers and

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<v Speaker 3>Panthers both got their franchise pass rusher in that twenty

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen draft. For the Panthers it was Brian Burns. For

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers it was Rashan Gary. Rashan Gary has kind

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<v Speaker 3>of been on the precipice of that first ten sacks season.

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<v Speaker 3>This seems to be a really good opportunity for him

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<v Speaker 3>to have one of those rashauon Gary games, because, as

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<v Speaker 3>we've seen, it doesn't always have to be three sacks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but when Rashaan Gary is pressuring the quarterback more often

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<v Speaker 3>than not, that's led to wins for the Green Bay Packers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, you mentioned Brian Burns and shifting gears to

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<v Speaker 2>the defensive side of the ball for Carolina. He's got

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<v Speaker 2>six sacks this season, not his best season statistically, but

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<v Speaker 2>this guy is a pretty darn good pass rusher. As

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<v Speaker 2>a team, the Panthers have just twenty sacks overall, so

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<v Speaker 2>Burns has six of those twenty and has certainly drawn

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of attention from opposing pass protection units as

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<v Speaker 2>far as the chips and the double teams off the

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<v Speaker 2>edge and all that kind of stuff. But I have

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you to explain something to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd be happy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe how in the world is the Carolina Panthers defense

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<v Speaker 2>ranked third in the league in yards allowed but twenty

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<v Speaker 2>ninth in the league in points allowed. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I have ever seen a discrepancy that large, a

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<v Speaker 2>discrepancy of twenty six ranking spots between the yards allowed

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<v Speaker 2>and the points allowed. I don't get it, So I

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<v Speaker 2>need an explanation.

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<v Speaker 3>I also need to say this because Dom is is

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<v Speaker 3>an old not like the senior I should say, not old,

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<v Speaker 3>but the senior assistant and also one of the proteges.

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<v Speaker 3>There are mentors forever of their their defensive coordinator. Dom

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<v Speaker 3>used to always used to say, he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times, you know total defense matters, but

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<v Speaker 3>you want to the scoring defense is the area you

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<v Speaker 3>want to win as a defensive coordinator. Unfortunately, for this

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<v Speaker 3>unit right now, for Carolina. That's where they've been losing.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that isn't always completely on a defense. That sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>could be somewhat of a reflection of them being minus

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<v Speaker 3>six and turnover differential. Sure, it could be not stepping

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<v Speaker 3>up into adverse situations, even if maybe you're you're you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the balls being turned over deep in your territory, not

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<v Speaker 3>being able to keep teams out of the end zone.

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<v Speaker 3>The other aspect of it is too, they just have not.

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<v Speaker 1>Been good in the red zone this year.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not getting those three point plays, you're not getting

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<v Speaker 3>the takeaways in that area, you're giving up six seven points.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's seventy eighty one percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one area where Green Bay has to get after

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<v Speaker 3>this thing. Because if you look at this defense overall

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<v Speaker 3>for Carolina, I actually think it's pretty good. They have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of veteran players. There, a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 3>that they had brought in from other teams unrestricted free

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<v Speaker 3>agents that that kind of signed the peak of their

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<v Speaker 3>their value. In addition to the fact that up front,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with Burns and Brown there being sort of

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<v Speaker 3>the faces that aspect of it for him, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to like about what Caroline is doing there. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the defensive coordinator is really sharp too. This was

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<v Speaker 3>put together as like an all star coaching staff with

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Reich. Offensively, it's been a you know, it's been

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<v Speaker 3>a grind. But defensively other than those points, again, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot that you can't overlook there because it could

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<v Speaker 3>hurt you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and their defensive coordinator e j Everro, he actually

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<v Speaker 2>got his coaching start in the NFL in Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 2>You said that better than I on Mike McCarthy's staff

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a quality control with Doge. That was

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<v Speaker 2>with Dom Capers as the defensive coat exactly. I should

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<v Speaker 2>have looked it up before we turn the cameras on

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<v Speaker 2>what year?

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<v Speaker 1>What year? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>E j Ero arrived in Green Bay and he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>here for very long, and you know he he moved

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<v Speaker 2>up the ladder pretty quickly to a coordinator spot in

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<v Speaker 2>the league. And he's a guy that that uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is getting a lot of attention for the way his

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<v Speaker 2>team is playing defense even though they're having a rough season.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the other stat I wanted to point out, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is the this follows the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the one of the dom Capers mantras is opposing passer rating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for all of Carolina's struggles overall and the difficulties in

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<v Speaker 2>winning games, opposing quarterbacks are only have a eighty eight

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<v Speaker 2>point five passer rating on the season. That's pretty darn good,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And and so it just it just goes

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<v Speaker 2>to show that, yes, the Carolina Panthers are two and twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've they've got some things going for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the Packers, Packers are still going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to bring everything they've got for this game because

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<v Speaker 2>because the Panthers are not a pushover despite their record.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the funniest thing about this though, because we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about discrepancies and what's perplexing about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're absolutely right about that opposing password.

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<v Speaker 3>They only have like eight interceptions though, Yeah, like they're

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<v Speaker 3>like twenty what is it, twenty tied for twenty fourth

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<v Speaker 3>in interceptions. Yeah, so it's not like they got a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of interceptions that are influencing those passes.

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<v Speaker 2>Are passer rating. Yeah, so what it What.

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<v Speaker 3>It does probably tell you though, is that the completions

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're forcing teams.

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<v Speaker 3>To go the long way at times, and probably when

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<v Speaker 3>they've ruptured, they've ruptured badly. But a game like last

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<v Speaker 3>week in the trenches in the rain, they took advantage

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<v Speaker 3>of it and obviously got a big takeaway from Desmond

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<v Speaker 3>ritterd that helped them win that football game.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, I want to solidify the keys to

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things already keys to victory here for the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers to leave Charlotte with their seventh victory of the season.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got Why did the Panthers win last week?

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<v Speaker 2>They played really good defense and then they put together

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<v Speaker 2>a clutch drive at the end of the game.

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<v Speaker 3>And Hubbard was a consistent force throughout that game. Where

0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Atlanta could not run the ball, Hubbard had twenty some

0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.800
<v Speaker 3>economical carries for eighty some economical yards and was able

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<v Speaker 3>to help them push things. The best friends of Bryce

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<v Speaker 3>Young in this offense has been Hubbard for as much

0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.320
<v Speaker 3>as they've tried to replace him, because you gotta remember,

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<v Speaker 3>he kind of came out and it emerged after the

0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Christian McCaffrey injuries, and they've kind of tried to find

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<v Speaker 3>other franchise backs.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the back. This is the guy. It's almost like.

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<v Speaker 3>You're Edgar Bennett type running back, where I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>how many thousand yard seasons he'll have in his career,

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<v Speaker 3>but he is a guy that is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>when you're winning, when you're moving the ball, he's the

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<v Speaker 3>one that's helping you do that and then stopping Adam Thielen,

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<v Speaker 3>not letting the ruptures happen in the middle of the field,

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<v Speaker 3>making sure that you win on third down Situationally, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of times where you'll ask me these

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<v Speaker 3>questions and rightfully so about Hey, the keys to victory

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<v Speaker 3>basically not trying to be over dramatic, but do everything

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<v Speaker 3>better than what you did against Tampa Bay one specific area.

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<v Speaker 3>It's making sure that you can across the board fix

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<v Speaker 3>some of these gaffes that happened. Because, let's be honest, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers lose this game, the playoff hopes are dwindling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they expect to win it and try to get on

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<v Speaker 3>a three game run here, and you need to build

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<v Speaker 3>momentum in this matchup as you look forward then to

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<v Speaker 3>Minnesota and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no question about it. And my keys to victory

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<v Speaker 2>for this one, I don't. I don't want to oversimplify,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have to confess my key to victory. Keys

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<v Speaker 2>to victory last week were to protect the football and

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<v Speaker 2>to force Baker Mayfield into a mistake. Well, the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>didn't turn the ball over till very late in the

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<v Speaker 2>fourth quarter, and they got a strip sack of Baker

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<v Speaker 2>Mayfield early in the game and ended up not really

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<v Speaker 2>mattering in the long run. So shows what I know

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<v Speaker 2>as far as this keys to victory stuff. But what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say with that, what's d Can I.

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<v Speaker 1>Say something in your defense?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? The seven completions for one hundred and forty seven

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<v Speaker 3>yards on third down, like you're absolutely right. Everything you

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<v Speaker 3>said was right. But when you give up explosives, we

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<v Speaker 3>know how explos also plays translate to points. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's where Tampa Bay beat them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely an For me in this game, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's all about and this goes really for both sides

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<v Speaker 2>of the ball. It's all about the Packers playing with

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<v Speaker 2>a lead, because if you look at if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at what has been successful, why were the Packers able

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<v Speaker 2>to beat the Lions and the Chiefs, It's because they

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<v Speaker 2>jumped on top by multiple scores, and the offense looked

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<v Speaker 2>sharper and in command of the game, and the defense

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<v Speaker 2>just had a different swagger to it when they were

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<v Speaker 2>playing with the lead. And I think though, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's really what this game comes down to. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like the weather is going to be a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>better in Charlotte than it was last week, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that boats well. Yeah, hopefully that bodes well for the

0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Packers offense to be able to get off to a

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<v Speaker 2>fast start and try to build a lead in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the Packers had the lead here and there

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<v Speaker 2>against the Giants and the Monday night game, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>not the kind of lead, you know, that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of lead and command of the game that

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers had against the Lions and the Chiefs, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think that's the uh. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the formula here for Green Bay. They've had a number

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<v Speaker 2>of come from behind opportunities offensively throughout the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, and more often than not, it hasn't worked

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<v Speaker 2>out that way. Playing playing from behind has not been

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<v Speaker 2>the formula for success for this team. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's about it's about jumping on top, maybe trying to

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<v Speaker 2>break Carolina's spirit a little bit because because one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>they they fought the entire sixty minutes against the Atlanta Falcons,

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<v Speaker 2>because the Falcons never put more than seven points on

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<v Speaker 2>the board, you know, the Carolina defense really held strong.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Packers can break through that, get a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of scores on the board and play for more of

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<v Speaker 2>a commanding position than I think they should leave Charlotte

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<v Speaker 2>with a victory.

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<v Speaker 3>And the most swagger this defense has played with this

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<v Speaker 3>season is when everything you outline happens. When you think

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<v Speaker 3>of how they played against Detroit, how they played against

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas City. In Week one against Chicago, that unit was

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<v Speaker 3>humming as much as we want to be about pointing

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<v Speaker 3>fingers and blame and all this type of stuff. The

0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Packers as recently as like fourteen days ago, we're feeling

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good about where their defense was headed. Was not perfect,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're feeling pretty good about it. You take a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of pops on the chin. Now, the question is

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<v Speaker 3>how do you respond to that. I love what you

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<v Speaker 3>said there because I think there is something to be said.

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<v Speaker 3>I totally understand why mattle Fluor did what he did

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<v Speaker 3>deferring to the second half in Green Bay. You're in

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<v Speaker 3>your own field, I understand that. But there is something

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<v Speaker 3>about that offense going out on the field, if it

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<v Speaker 3>would work out that way again, going down the field

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<v Speaker 3>getting points, and the way the defense has played after

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<v Speaker 3>that as opposed to responding.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have such a large sample size now that

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen games are in the books, and if I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>mistaken West, the bottom line is the only time this

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<v Speaker 2>year that the Packers have lost a game in which

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<v Speaker 2>they've had a multi score lead was way back Week

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<v Speaker 2>two in Atlanta. That's the only time when this team

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<v Speaker 2>has gotten a multi score lead, whether it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's been the Rams, the Lions, the Chiefs. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in those games, the Chargers even for that matter, they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't let it get away. They've been able to they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to win those games. So you mentioned obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the idea is to get this game, try to get

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<v Speaker 2>on a run. The Packers have got to win their

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<v Speaker 2>last three to get to nine to eight, and then

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<v Speaker 2>see where the chips fall in the playoff picture. Looking

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<v Speaker 2>at all the different games going on that would impact

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<v Speaker 2>the Packers' situation as far as the NFC, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>rattle them all off and then I'll let you comment

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<v Speaker 2>on what you desire. The Saints are at the Rams

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday Night football this week. Those are two of

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<v Speaker 2>the teams that are seven and seven, sitting one game

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of Green Bay at six and eight. The Falcons,

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<v Speaker 2>also at six and eight, are at home against the Colts,

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<v Speaker 2>making yet another quarterback change. Desmond Ritter is being benched

0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.240
<v Speaker 2>for the second time this season. Taylor Heineke is coming

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<v Speaker 2>in as the new starting quarterback once again. The Lions

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.399
<v Speaker 2>are at the Vikings. The Vikings are at seven and seven.

0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>The Lions are one win away because they are playing Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 2>They are one win away from clinching the NFC North title,

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<v Speaker 2>which I believe would be Detroit's first division championships since

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety three, I believe, yeah, thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years night in nineteen ninety three, the Seahawks who coming

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 2>off of that big come from behind victory over the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 2>On Monday night, they are at seven and seven. They

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<v Speaker 2>are at Tennessee against the Titans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,

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<v Speaker 2>who just beat the Packers, who are at seven and

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.680
<v Speaker 2>seven in the NFC South. They are hosting the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Florida Bowls against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and there

0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:46.040
<v Speaker 2>are questions as to whether Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be available because he's in the concussion protocol.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are all the ones out there, Wes. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you let you comment on what you do.

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<v Speaker 3>You remember that old operation game where you'd like have

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<v Speaker 3>to like try to pull.

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<v Speaker 2>Out like this, yeah, and it buzzes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's basically Trevor Lawrence season.

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<v Speaker 3>Like just I mean, so much credit to that dude,

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<v Speaker 3>how much toughness he has, But it just seems like he.

0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.479
<v Speaker 2>Is a tough cookie man. He really is.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like every week he has a new injury.

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<v Speaker 3>The other one too, I think is very important. Now, again,

0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.200
<v Speaker 3>the green Bay Packers have take care of business. You

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 3>don't beat the Caroline Panthers none.

0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 2>None of the scoreboard watching matters. Quite frankly, if the

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<v Speaker 2>if the Packers don't put together a three game winning

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.239
<v Speaker 2>streak here to get to nine and eight, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to get to nine and eight.

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<v Speaker 3>But let's look on the positive side of this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's say that's in the cards for green Bay. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>say that nine win season is out there. Game like

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<v Speaker 3>this with Baltimore going into San Francisco, that actually has

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<v Speaker 3>some implications here.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't want I was gonna I was gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know you want the Detroit Lions to have that opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>to potentially still play for the number one seed in

0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.440
<v Speaker 3>a bye. For whatever freaking reason, the NFL keeps doing

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.840
<v Speaker 3>this stuff where you have division opponents playing each other

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.919
<v Speaker 3>over the span of three weeks. And that's what the

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Detroit Lions are facing. They're gonna go face the Minnesota

0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Vikings and before they can unpack their gear, they're playing

0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.640
<v Speaker 3>them again. So like, you want that to be out

0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 3>there because you need the Packers to take care business

0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.880
<v Speaker 3>against Minnesota, you need Detroit to take care business Minnesota,

0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 3>and you need to get some help with some of

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.280
<v Speaker 3>these other teams. But basically my point being with all

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.840
<v Speaker 3>that is, in a lot of ways, much like last year,

0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.720
<v Speaker 3>there is a path there. You need some stuff to

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 3>go your way, but there is a path there. This

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<v Speaker 3>thing is not without hope, but it takes little small

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<v Speaker 3>things like the Baltimore Ravens going into San Francisco and

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<v Speaker 3>taking care of business to keep those other contingencies in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want to get to I want to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that game on Christmas Night as well, But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you point blank, do the Lions

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<v Speaker 2>clinch the NFC North this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all right, if they play the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>did against the Broncos.

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I they were the Lions were. Lions were impressive in

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<v Speaker 2>that game, no doubt about it. And with you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Minneapolis, it'll be right sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was gonna say, with all due respect to

0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:46.960
<v Speaker 3>the Vikings in their home field advantage, and certainly they're

0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.159
<v Speaker 3>amped up for this thing. But while it's not as

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<v Speaker 3>much of a dire situation as what Atlanta is going

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<v Speaker 3>through the questions at quarterback from Minnesota. I think at

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<v Speaker 3>some point you just wonder if they're going to creep

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<v Speaker 3>up and be a little bit too much to overcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe Nick Mullins is the guy. Maybe he can find

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<v Speaker 3>some rhythm. Maybe he finds that Josh Dobbs magic that

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<v Speaker 3>Dobbs had earlier this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're they're they're they're hoping for they're hoping for

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<v Speaker 2>three more games of Josh Dobbs magic with Nick Mullins,

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously Dobbs kind of ran out of time. It

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<v Speaker 2>started to turn the other way, and uh, and they're

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.320
<v Speaker 2>they're asking, they're asking Mullins to try to get this

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<v Speaker 2>thing to the finish line and uh and get them

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<v Speaker 2>a playoff.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say this too, independent of like oh buys

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<v Speaker 3>and first overall seeds and things like that, I think

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<v Speaker 3>Detroit just needs to get playing better ball again too.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week was a big step in the right direction,

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<v Speaker 3>but we wait and looking so hot before that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, being able to get into more rhythm, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, Jared Goff playing like Jared Goff can again, I

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<v Speaker 3>think is important. If they can do that against that

0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 3>Minnesota defense, which outside of that end had played pretty

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<v Speaker 3>darn well this season during this final stretch, you know

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<v Speaker 3>that that that could be a big boost for the

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<v Speaker 3>lines as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and you mentioned too the big game on

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas Night, which is the one that everybody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be watching, Baltimore at San Francisco, the two teams that

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<v Speaker 2>right now have the number one in the respective conferences.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big one. And as you said, as a

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Packer fan, you would like San Francisco to lose so

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<v Speaker 2>that Detroit is still potentially fighting to improve their seeding

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFC playoffs. The other part of it, too,

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.120
<v Speaker 2>you'd like San Francisco to lose because as a Packer fan,

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.360
<v Speaker 2>you want San Francisco still fighting for that number one

0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>seed in Week eighteen when they're going to be playing

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.679
<v Speaker 2>the Rams, and that could be a game. Hopefully it

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<v Speaker 2>is a game that the Packers are in position where

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<v Speaker 2>you're looking at that saying, okay, let's, you know, hope

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the Niners can beat the Rams, because maybe the Packers

0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 2>get on a run here and still have a chance.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the things that are further down the road,

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<v Speaker 2>but right for right now, all the Packers can do

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<v Speaker 2>and all they can control is to go to Carolina

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<v Speaker 2>and get a victory, chalk up win number seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>then see where things are heading into next week.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why, I mean, there's a lot of things

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 3>that go on is but like you know, you do

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 3>paths to the playoffs and things like that. That's why

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 3>none of that matters right now until Sunday, because if

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:03.920
<v Speaker 3>you beat the Panthers, then you can start talking about contingencies.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you start facing another team that has playoff hopes

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.640
<v Speaker 3>like you do in the Minnesota Vikings. All those things

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 3>come into play. But other than you and I having

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:14.640
<v Speaker 3>some fun banter here and I'm sure some sports talk

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:18.199
<v Speaker 3>radio hosts enjoying this type of stuff, none of it

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 3>matters if the Packers don't get off the skid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and that has to start. And I believe North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Charlotte, Yes, North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only been there once really, twenty fifteen. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a kid the other time, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there was COVID I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was the time I was standing at the

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<v Speaker 2>standing at the door to the plane making sure you

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<v Speaker 2>weren't going to get on it, so that you would

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<v Speaker 2>be home just in case your wonderful wife went into labor,

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<v Speaker 2>which low would behold happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, not even I'm not trying to make light of this,

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:52.040
<v Speaker 3>but I literally I think I remember, if I remember

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 3>this right, I saw Aaron Rodgers throw's first pick and

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<v Speaker 3>then we had to go in like we were already

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<v Speaker 3>at the hospital at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's the only time in all the

0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 2>years we've been working together that I made sure to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the plane before you, because you're always like

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<v Speaker 2>an early arrival, because I was going to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't get on.

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<v Speaker 1>The get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition

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<v Speaker 2>of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our

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<v Speaker 2>For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Merry Christmas and happy Holidays, and we will see you

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<v Speaker 2>next time.