1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my partner 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: in crime, Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: our studios at lambeau Field to preview Packers and Panthers. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: It will be a Sunday noon Central Time kickoff from Charlotte, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: and Wes will take a look at this Carolina Panthers team, 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: which has had a rough season two and twelve on 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: the year. But as far as this game goes, the 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: most important thing as far as the Carolina Panthers are concerned, 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: is that they went one to oh last week. They 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: ended a long losing streak, got a win with a 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: last second field goal over a division rival in the 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons in a steady rainstorm down there in North Carolina. 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: And when you watch the highlights of that game and 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: see how fired up the Carolina Panthers were to chalk 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: up a win, I'm telling you these guys are going 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: to bring everything they've got against the Green Bay Packers 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: on something. 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: And it was really interesting listening to Keishawn Nixon discussed 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 3: this because while the Raiders had much more success with 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: Rich Bassacia as their interim head coach. Keishawn mentioned how 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: that can be an invigorating process for a football team, 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: a rallying cry, if you will, and that's what the 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: Panthers I think are kind of going through right now 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: with I believe it's a Chris Tabor that took Chris Taber, Yeah, yeah, 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: took over now in longtime role, respected special teams coach 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: in the league, taking over after Frank Reich was let go, 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: and watching those post game videos of them in the 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: locker room. I mean tell you this, Mike, I don't 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: think you could have guessed that that team was two 33 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: and twelve. I think a lot of people have been like, wow, 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: that's that was a win that keeps them in the 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: playoff hunt. There's no replacement for victory in this league. 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: And the Carolina Panthers they. 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Are what they are. 38 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: I mean, Bryce Young has had a really rough rookie season. 39 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: They're ranked thirtieth in offense. But on any given Sunday, 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: any of these teams are good enough to win, and 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: the Packers can't take it for granted. 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: Well, the biggest thing that the biggest things that stand 43 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: out with regard to the Panthers offense. You mentioned Bryce Young. 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: He's the number one overall pick in the draft. He's 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: the guy that the Carolina Panthers are going to be 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: building around, and we'll see what happens as far as 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: the coaching decisions they make for next year, since they 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: moved on from Frank rag before his first season was 49 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: even over. At running back, Chewba Hubbard, He's got nearly 50 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: a thousand combined yards rushing and receiving. He's over nine 51 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: hundred when you combine the runs and the catches and 52 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: the old veteran guy the Packers are very familiar with 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: in Adam Thielen, who don't look now, but on a 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: team that obviously has struggled offensively, eighty nine catches, eight 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy yards, four touchdowns, he's as productive as ever. 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: And I mentioned this inn Insider inbox. If there's a 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: couple things that if there's a couple things that I 58 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: am on high alert for. As far as the Packers 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 2: defense is concerned going into this game, it's Bryce Young's 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: running ability, which could involve the zone read plays, especially 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: with what Tommy DeVito did to the Packers defense on 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: the Monday night game against the Giants where a couple 63 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: of zone read plays and he gained you know, forty 64 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: fifty yards combined on those two. And then Adam Thielen 65 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 2: on third downs. You have to know where that guy 66 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: is because he will find an opening at the sticks 67 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: and count on his quarterback to deliver the ball. And 68 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: Adam Thielen is a guy who can just make it 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: difficult for your defense to get off the field. 70 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: I think that was the old Toby Keith line right 71 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: about how I'm not as good as I once was, 72 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: but I'm good once I'll ever as I've ever been. Yeah, 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 3: Adam Thielen, I think you know they made a big 74 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: decision this year with the Vikings letting him go. And 75 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: if I remember correctly memory serves, I don't think the 76 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers wasted much time picking them up. 77 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 78 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: And when you look at the construct of this offense 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: and what they were looking to achieve from the beginning, 80 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: it was giving your young quarterback and option in the 81 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: middle of the field one of the best, most viable 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: slot receivers and dependable guys that you're going to look 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: for in Adam Thielen. And I think he's met that criteria. 84 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: He's on his way to a thousand yard season for them, 85 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 3: which is impressive considering the issues they've had passing the 86 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: ball this year. And again, I'm if I'm this offensive 87 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: coaching staff for Carolina, I'm putting on the film from 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: these last two games and telling my guys, it's all 89 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: out there for you when you look again, like you 90 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: mentioned with what DeVito did two weeks ago, a lot 91 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: of trickeration, a lot of Reid option staff, a lot 92 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: of just scrambled drills turning into leaking runs. And then 93 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: last week Chris Godwin ten catches one hundred and fifty 94 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: five yards. This team, in terms of the construct of 95 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: it is actually built to match up pretty well with 96 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: Green Bay. 97 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: But for the Packers standpoint to show you the hope 98 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: is there. 99 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Bryce Young has just really struggled with anything downfield. It 100 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: has been a pretty rudimentary passing game for them this season. 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot of 102 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: short stuff underneath and a lot of horizontal stuff. Yeah, 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: try to get the ball to his guys in space 104 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: to make plays. These guys throw, these guys try to 105 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: stretch you horizontally defensively, and try to find openings up 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: the sideline. 107 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I just look at this matchup for Green 108 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: Bay defensively, and I don't want to use the word 109 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: get right here, but this is an opportunity. It's an 110 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: opportunity to go up against an offense that has had 111 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: some legitimate problems here. They have not scored more than 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: twenty points since week six when I mentioned Bryce Young, 113 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: he has not thrown a touchdown pass in more than 114 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 3: a month. 115 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did what he had to. 116 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: Do to win in that rainstorm last week, but other 117 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: than that, it has been a real grind for them. 118 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: Stopping Hubbard, stopping feeling, and probably playing a lot of 119 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: single high safety in this one would be probably my 120 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: plan in terms of just making sure that you take 121 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: away the short stuff and keep them in the third 122 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: and lungs. 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing too, when you're going up 124 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: against an offense that throws a lot of short stuff, 125 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: as I said, the underneath stuff, the horizontal stuff. They're 126 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: trying to get yards after the catch. You got to 127 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: make tackles. If you allow them to break tackles, if 128 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: you're not sound in your tackling, that is where they 129 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: will move the chains and get the momentum of their 130 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: offense going. The other statistic with them that sticks out 131 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: is fifty four sacks allowed, and for the most part, 132 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: it seems that and I think this is a big 133 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: reason that Bryce Young has had so many struggles is 134 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: a lot of that pressure is up the middle. The 135 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: interior of their offensive line is probably their biggest weakness there. 136 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: And you know this, so this is a game that 137 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: just screams Kenny Clark all over the place. I mean, Clark, 138 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: who's coming off of a you know what, was a 139 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: tremendous effort, an absolutely tremendous effort against the Buccaneers, even 140 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: though overall the Packers defense obviously did not play well. 141 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: But Kenny Clark was a force in the middle of 142 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: the defense for the Packers last week, and I think 143 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: he's going to be a guy that will show up 144 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: big this week. 145 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 3: Well, Nash Jensen is They're starting right guard right now. 146 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: He's an undrafted rookie, has been in there the last 147 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: couple of games. 148 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: There's going to be opportunities there. 149 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: And I think green Bay, coming off the five sack 150 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: performance last week. Pressure and coverage are always married. They're 151 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: always tied together, hand in hand. But especially with what 152 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: happened two weeks ago against DeVito, this would be the 153 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: one where I think the extra emphasis is placed on 154 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: the rush lanes, on your gap integrity, making sure that 155 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: you finish to the ball, and realistically, I think it 156 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: comes down to both sides of it. We'll talk about 157 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: the defense here in a second, but the Packers and 158 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: Panthers both got their franchise pass rusher in that twenty 159 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: nineteen draft. For the Panthers it was Brian Burns. For 160 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: the Packers it was Rashan Gary. Rashan Gary has kind 161 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: of been on the precipice of that first ten sacks season. 162 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: This seems to be a really good opportunity for him 163 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: to have one of those rashauon Gary games, because, as 164 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: we've seen, it doesn't always have to be three sacks. Yeah, 165 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 3: but when Rashaan Gary is pressuring the quarterback more often 166 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: than not, that's led to wins for the Green Bay Packers. 167 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you mentioned Brian Burns and shifting gears to 168 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball for Carolina. He's got 169 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: six sacks this season, not his best season statistically, but 170 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 2: this guy is a pretty darn good pass rusher. As 171 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: a team, the Panthers have just twenty sacks overall, so 172 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: Burns has six of those twenty and has certainly drawn 173 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: a lot of attention from opposing pass protection units as 174 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: far as the chips and the double teams off the 175 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: edge and all that kind of stuff. But I have 176 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: to ask you to explain something to me. 177 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be happy to. 178 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: Maybe how in the world is the Carolina Panthers defense 179 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: ranked third in the league in yards allowed but twenty 180 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: ninth in the league in points allowed. I don't know 181 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: if I have ever seen a discrepancy that large, a 182 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: discrepancy of twenty six ranking spots between the yards allowed 183 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: and the points allowed. I don't get it, So I 184 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: need an explanation. 185 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: I also need to say this because Dom is is 186 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: an old not like the senior I should say, not old, 187 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,479 Speaker 3: but the senior assistant and also one of the proteges. 188 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: There are mentors forever of their their defensive coordinator. Dom 189 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 3: used to always used to say, he's like, you know, 190 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know total defense matters, but 191 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: you want to the scoring defense is the area you 192 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: want to win as a defensive coordinator. Unfortunately, for this 193 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: unit right now, for Carolina. That's where they've been losing. 194 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 3: Now that isn't always completely on a defense. That sometimes 195 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: could be somewhat of a reflection of them being minus 196 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: six and turnover differential. Sure, it could be not stepping 197 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: up into adverse situations, even if maybe you're you're you know, 198 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: the balls being turned over deep in your territory, not 199 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: being able to keep teams out of the end zone. 200 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 3: The other aspect of it is too, they just have not. 201 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: Been good in the red zone this year. 202 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: You're not getting those three point plays, you're not getting 203 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: the takeaways in that area, you're giving up six seven points. 204 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: I think it's seventy eighty one percent of the time. 205 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 3: That's one area where Green Bay has to get after 206 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 3: this thing. Because if you look at this defense overall 207 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: for Carolina, I actually think it's pretty good. They have 208 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: a lot of veteran players. There, a lot of guys 209 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: that they had brought in from other teams unrestricted free 210 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: agents that that kind of signed the peak of their 211 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: their value. In addition to the fact that up front, 212 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: you know, with Burns and Brown there being sort of 213 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: the faces that aspect of it for him, there's a 214 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: lot to like about what Caroline is doing there. I 215 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: think the defensive coordinator is really sharp too. This was 216 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: put together as like an all star coaching staff with 217 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: Frank Reich. Offensively, it's been a you know, it's been 218 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: a grind. But defensively other than those points, again, there's 219 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 3: a lot that you can't overlook there because it could 220 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: hurt you. 221 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and their defensive coordinator e j Everro, he actually 222 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: got his coaching start in the NFL in Green Bay. 223 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: You said that better than I on Mike McCarthy's staff 224 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: as a as a quality control with Doge. That was 225 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 2: with Dom Capers as the defensive coat exactly. I should 226 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: have looked it up before we turn the cameras on 227 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: what year? 228 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: What year? Uh? 229 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: E j Ero arrived in Green Bay and he wasn't 230 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: here for very long, and you know he he moved 231 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: up the ladder pretty quickly to a coordinator spot in 232 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: the league. And he's a guy that that uh, you know, 233 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 2: is getting a lot of attention for the way his 234 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: team is playing defense even though they're having a rough season. 235 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: Because the other stat I wanted to point out, and 236 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: this is this is the this follows the you know, 237 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: the one of the dom Capers mantras is opposing passer rating. Yeah, 238 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: for all of Carolina's struggles overall and the difficulties in 239 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: winning games, opposing quarterbacks are only have a eighty eight 240 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: point five passer rating on the season. That's pretty darn good, 241 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: you know. And and so it just it just goes 242 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: to show that, yes, the Carolina Panthers are two and twelve, 243 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: but they've they've got some things going for him, and 244 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: and you know, the Packers, Packers are still going to 245 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: have to bring everything they've got for this game because 246 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: because the Panthers are not a pushover despite their record. 247 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: This is the funniest thing about this though, because we're 248 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: talking about discrepancies and what's perplexing about this. 249 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Yes, you're absolutely right about that opposing password. 250 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: They only have like eight interceptions though, Yeah, like they're 251 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: like twenty what is it, twenty tied for twenty fourth 252 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: in interceptions. Yeah, so it's not like they got a 253 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 3: ton of interceptions that are influencing those passes. 254 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: Are passer rating. Yeah, so what it What. 255 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: It does probably tell you though, is that the completions 256 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: I haven't been there. 257 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: They're forcing teams. 258 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: To go the long way at times, and probably when 259 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: they've ruptured, they've ruptured badly. But a game like last 260 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 3: week in the trenches in the rain, they took advantage 261 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: of it and obviously got a big takeaway from Desmond 262 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: ritterd that helped them win that football game. 263 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to solidify the keys to 264 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: victory here in just a moment, West, but I'll take 265 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: care of some sponsor business. First. Serious XM NFL Radio 266 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: delivers hard hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL 267 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: news that true football fanatics need twenty four to seven, 268 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: three sixty five. 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All right, we've obviously hinted suggested at a 273 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: couple of things already keys to victory here for the 274 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: Packers to leave Charlotte with their seventh victory of the season. 275 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: What do you got Why did the Panthers win last week? 276 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: They played really good defense and then they put together 277 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: a clutch drive at the end of the game. 278 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: And Hubbard was a consistent force throughout that game. Where 279 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: Atlanta could not run the ball, Hubbard had twenty some 280 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: economical carries for eighty some economical yards and was able 281 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: to help them push things. The best friends of Bryce 282 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: Young in this offense has been Hubbard for as much 283 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: as they've tried to replace him, because you gotta remember, 284 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: he kind of came out and it emerged after the 285 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey injuries, and they've kind of tried to find 286 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: other franchise backs. 287 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: This is the back. This is the guy. It's almost like. 288 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 3: You're Edgar Bennett type running back, where I don't know 289 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: how many thousand yard seasons he'll have in his career, 290 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 3: but he is a guy that is going to be 291 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: when you're winning, when you're moving the ball, he's the 292 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: one that's helping you do that and then stopping Adam Thielen, 293 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: not letting the ruptures happen in the middle of the field, 294 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: making sure that you win on third down Situationally, Mike, 295 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: there's a lot of times where you'll ask me these 296 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: questions and rightfully so about Hey, the keys to victory 297 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: basically not trying to be over dramatic, but do everything 298 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: better than what you did against Tampa Bay one specific area. 299 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: It's making sure that you can across the board fix 300 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: some of these gaffes that happened. Because, let's be honest, Mike, 301 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: the Packers lose this game, the playoff hopes are dwindling. Yeah, 302 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: they expect to win it and try to get on 303 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: a three game run here, and you need to build 304 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: momentum in this matchup as you look forward then to 305 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: Minnesota and beyond. 306 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. And my keys to victory 307 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: for this one, I don't. I don't want to oversimplify, 308 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: but I have to confess my key to victory. Keys 309 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: to victory last week were to protect the football and 310 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: to force Baker Mayfield into a mistake. Well, the Packers 311 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: didn't turn the ball over till very late in the 312 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, and they got a strip sack of Baker 313 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: Mayfield early in the game and ended up not really 314 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: mattering in the long run. So shows what I know 315 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: as far as this keys to victory stuff. But what 316 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say with that, what's d Can I. 317 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: Say something in your defense? 318 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 3: Sure? The seven completions for one hundred and forty seven 319 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: yards on third down, like you're absolutely right. Everything you 320 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: said was right. But when you give up explosives, we 321 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: know how explos also plays translate to points. Yeah, and 322 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: that's where Tampa Bay beat them. 323 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely an For me in this game, I think 324 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: it's all about and this goes really for both sides 325 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: of the ball. It's all about the Packers playing with 326 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: a lead, because if you look at if you look 327 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: at what has been successful, why were the Packers able 328 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: to beat the Lions and the Chiefs, It's because they 329 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: jumped on top by multiple scores, and the offense looked 330 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: sharper and in command of the game, and the defense 331 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 2: just had a different swagger to it when they were 332 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: playing with the lead. And I think though, I think 333 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: that's really what this game comes down to. It sounds 334 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: like the weather is going to be a little bit 335 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: better in Charlotte than it was last week, so hopefully 336 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: that boats well. Yeah, hopefully that bodes well for the 337 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: Packers offense to be able to get off to a 338 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: fast start and try to build a lead in this game. 339 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: I know the Packers had the lead here and there 340 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: against the Giants and the Monday night game, but that's 341 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: not the kind of lead, you know, that's not the 342 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: same kind of lead and command of the game that 343 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: the Packers had against the Lions and the Chiefs, And 344 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: I think I think that's the uh. I think that's 345 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: the formula here for Green Bay. They've had a number 346 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: of come from behind opportunities offensively throughout the course of 347 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: the year, and more often than not, it hasn't worked 348 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: out that way. Playing playing from behind has not been 349 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: the formula for success for this team. So I think 350 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: it's about it's about jumping on top, maybe trying to 351 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: break Carolina's spirit a little bit because because one thing, 352 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: they they fought the entire sixty minutes against the Atlanta Falcons, 353 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: because the Falcons never put more than seven points on 354 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: the board, you know, the Carolina defense really held strong. 355 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: If the Packers can break through that, get a couple 356 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: of scores on the board and play for more of 357 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: a commanding position than I think they should leave Charlotte 358 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: with a victory. 359 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: And the most swagger this defense has played with this 360 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 3: season is when everything you outline happens. When you think 361 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: of how they played against Detroit, how they played against 362 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: Kansas City. In Week one against Chicago, that unit was 363 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: humming as much as we want to be about pointing 364 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: fingers and blame and all this type of stuff. The 365 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: Packers as recently as like fourteen days ago, we're feeling 366 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: pretty good about where their defense was headed. Was not perfect, 367 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: but we're feeling pretty good about it. You take a 368 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 3: couple of pops on the chin. Now, the question is 369 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: how do you respond to that. I love what you 370 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: said there because I think there is something to be said. 371 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: I totally understand why mattle Fluor did what he did 372 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: deferring to the second half in Green Bay. You're in 373 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: your own field, I understand that. But there is something 374 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: about that offense going out on the field, if it 375 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: would work out that way again, going down the field 376 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: getting points, and the way the defense has played after 377 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: that as opposed to responding. 378 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 2: And we have such a large sample size now that 379 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: fourteen games are in the books, and if I'm not 380 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: mistaken West, the bottom line is the only time this 381 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: year that the Packers have lost a game in which 382 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: they've had a multi score lead was way back Week 383 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: two in Atlanta. That's the only time when this team 384 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: has gotten a multi score lead, whether it's you know, 385 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: whether it's been the Rams, the Lions, the Chiefs. You know, 386 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 2: in those games, the Chargers even for that matter, they 387 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: haven't let it get away. They've been able to they've 388 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: been able to win those games. So you mentioned obviously 389 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: the idea is to get this game, try to get 390 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 2: on a run. The Packers have got to win their 391 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: last three to get to nine to eight, and then 392 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: see where the chips fall in the playoff picture. Looking 393 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: at all the different games going on that would impact 394 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: the Packers' situation as far as the NFC, I'll just 395 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: rattle them all off and then I'll let you comment 396 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: on what you desire. The Saints are at the Rams 397 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: on Thursday Night football this week. Those are two of 398 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: the teams that are seven and seven, sitting one game 399 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: ahead of Green Bay at six and eight. The Falcons, 400 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: also at six and eight, are at home against the Colts, 401 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 2: making yet another quarterback change. Desmond Ritter is being benched 402 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: for the second time this season. Taylor Heineke is coming 403 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: in as the new starting quarterback once again. The Lions 404 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: are at the Vikings. The Vikings are at seven and seven. 405 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: The Lions are one win away because they are playing Minnesota. 406 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: They are one win away from clinching the NFC North title, 407 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: which I believe would be Detroit's first division championships since 408 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: the early nineties. 409 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: Ninety three, I believe, yeah, thirty. 410 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: Years night in nineteen ninety three, the Seahawks who coming 411 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: off of that big come from behind victory over the Eagles. 412 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: On Monday night, they are at seven and seven. They 413 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: are at Tennessee against the Titans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 414 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: who just beat the Packers, who are at seven and 415 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: seven in the NFC South. They are hosting the one 416 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: of the Florida Bowls against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and there 417 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: are questions as to whether Trevor Lawrence, the Jaguars quarterback, 418 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: is going to be available because he's in the concussion protocol. 419 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: So those are all the ones out there, Wes. I'll 420 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: let you let you comment on what you do. 421 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: You remember that old operation game where you'd like have 422 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: to like try to pull. 423 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: Out like this, yeah, and it buzzes. 424 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: That's basically Trevor Lawrence season. 425 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 3: Like just I mean, so much credit to that dude, 426 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: how much toughness he has, But it just seems like he. 427 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: Is a tough cookie man. He really is. 428 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: It seems like every week he has a new injury. 429 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: The other one too, I think is very important. Now, again, 430 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: the green Bay Packers have take care of business. You 431 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: don't beat the Caroline Panthers none. 432 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: None of the scoreboard watching matters. Quite frankly, if the 433 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: if the Packers don't put together a three game winning 434 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 2: streak here to get to nine and eight, you've got 435 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: to get to nine and eight. 436 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: But let's look on the positive side of this thing. 437 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: Let's say that's in the cards for green Bay. Let's 438 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: say that nine win season is out there. Game like 439 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 3: this with Baltimore going into San Francisco, that actually has 440 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: some implications here. 441 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't want I was gonna I was gonna get 442 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: to that. 443 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you. 444 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: Know you want the Detroit Lions to have that opportunity 445 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 3: to potentially still play for the number one seed in 446 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: a bye. For whatever freaking reason, the NFL keeps doing 447 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: this stuff where you have division opponents playing each other 448 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 3: over the span of three weeks. And that's what the 449 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: Detroit Lions are facing. They're gonna go face the Minnesota 450 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: Vikings and before they can unpack their gear, they're playing 451 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: them again. So like, you want that to be out 452 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: there because you need the Packers to take care business 453 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: against Minnesota, you need Detroit to take care business Minnesota, 454 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: and you need to get some help with some of 455 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: these other teams. But basically my point being with all 456 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: that is, in a lot of ways, much like last year, 457 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: there is a path there. You need some stuff to 458 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: go your way, but there is a path there. This 459 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: thing is not without hope, but it takes little small 460 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 3: things like the Baltimore Ravens going into San Francisco and 461 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: taking care of business to keep those other contingencies in place. 462 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to get to I want to 463 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 2: get to that game on Christmas Night as well, But 464 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: I want to ask you point blank, do the Lions 465 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: clinch the NFC North this week? 466 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, if they play the way that they 467 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: did against the Broncos. 468 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: I they were the Lions were. Lions were impressive in 469 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: that game, no doubt about it. And with you have 470 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 2: to go to Minneapolis, it'll be right sure. 471 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, with all due respect to 472 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 3: the Vikings in their home field advantage, and certainly they're 473 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 3: amped up for this thing. But while it's not as 474 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: much of a dire situation as what Atlanta is going 475 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 3: through the questions at quarterback from Minnesota. I think at 476 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: some point you just wonder if they're going to creep 477 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: up and be a little bit too much to overcome. 478 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 3: Maybe Nick Mullins is the guy. Maybe he can find 479 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: some rhythm. Maybe he finds that Josh Dobbs magic that 480 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 3: Dobbs had earlier this season. 481 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're they're they're hoping for they're hoping for 482 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: three more games of Josh Dobbs magic with Nick Mullins, 483 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: because obviously Dobbs kind of ran out of time. It 484 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: started to turn the other way, and uh, and they're 485 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: they're asking, they're asking Mullins to try to get this 486 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: thing to the finish line and uh and get them 487 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: a playoff. 488 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 3: I will say this too, independent of like oh buys 489 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 3: and first overall seeds and things like that, I think 490 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: Detroit just needs to get playing better ball again too. 491 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: Last week was a big step in the right direction, 492 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: but we wait and looking so hot before that. 493 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, being able to get into more rhythm, you. 494 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: Know, Jared Goff playing like Jared Goff can again, I 495 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: think is important. If they can do that against that 496 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: Minnesota defense, which outside of that end had played pretty 497 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: darn well this season during this final stretch, you know 498 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: that that that could be a big boost for the 499 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 3: lines as well. 500 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and you mentioned too the big game on 501 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: Christmas Night, which is the one that everybody's going to 502 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: be watching, Baltimore at San Francisco, the two teams that 503 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 2: right now have the number one in the respective conferences. 504 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: That's a big one. And as you said, as a 505 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: Packer fan, you would like San Francisco to lose so 506 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: that Detroit is still potentially fighting to improve their seeding 507 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 2: in the NFC playoffs. The other part of it, too, 508 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: you'd like San Francisco to lose because as a Packer fan, 509 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 2: you want San Francisco still fighting for that number one 510 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: seed in Week eighteen when they're going to be playing 511 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: the Rams, and that could be a game. Hopefully it 512 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: is a game that the Packers are in position where 513 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: you're looking at that saying, okay, let's, you know, hope 514 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: the Niners can beat the Rams, because maybe the Packers 515 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: get on a run here and still have a chance. 516 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: So those are the things that are further down the road, 517 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: but right for right now, all the Packers can do 518 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: and all they can control is to go to Carolina 519 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: and get a victory, chalk up win number seven, and 520 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 2: then see where things are heading into next week. 521 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 3: And that's why, I mean, there's a lot of things 522 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 3: that go on is but like you know, you do 523 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: paths to the playoffs and things like that. That's why 524 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: none of that matters right now until Sunday, because if 525 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 3: you beat the Panthers, then you can start talking about contingencies. 526 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: Then you start facing another team that has playoff hopes 527 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: like you do in the Minnesota Vikings. All those things 528 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: come into play. But other than you and I having 529 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 3: some fun banter here and I'm sure some sports talk 530 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 3: radio hosts enjoying this type of stuff, none of it 531 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 3: matters if the Packers don't get off the skid. Yeah, 532 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: and that has to start. And I believe North Carolina, 533 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: North Carolina. 534 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: Right, Charlotte, Yes, North Carolina. 535 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: I've only been there once really, twenty fifteen. I had 536 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: a kid the other time, that's right. 537 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 538 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: And then there was COVID I think. 539 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the time I was standing at the 540 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 2: standing at the door to the plane making sure you 541 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: weren't going to get on it, so that you would 542 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: be home just in case your wonderful wife went into labor, 543 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: which low would behold happened. 544 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: Dude, not even I'm not trying to make light of this, 545 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: but I literally I think I remember, if I remember 546 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: this right, I saw Aaron Rodgers throw's first pick and 547 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: then we had to go in like we were already 548 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: at the hospital at that point. 549 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's the only time in all the 550 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 2: years we've been working together that I made sure to 551 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: get to the plane before you, because you're always like 552 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: an early arrival, because I was going to make sure 553 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: you didn't get on. 554 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: The get out of here. 555 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 2: With that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition 556 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 2: of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our 557 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: coverage of the team and everything from Sunday's game at Carolina, 558 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: and we'll have it all for you on Packers dot Com. 559 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: For Wes, I'm Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. 560 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas and happy Holidays, and we will see you 561 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: next time.