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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett is i'd call her a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: but she's a dear friend of the show. Jasmine Crockett
Speaker 1: is one of our our great she ros. And I
Speaker 1: won't say that Jasmine Crockett is not telling the truth.
Speaker 1: But I do want to talk to people because so
Speaker 1: in this conversation, it may be the case that I
Speaker 1: will make a plea to you, our listener, so that
Speaker 1: you can continue to put pressure on your elected representatives,
Speaker 1: continue to champion women and so forth, and Q if
Speaker 1: you so choose, you can play the role of the realist,
Speaker 1: which is often the role that you play anyway, and
Speaker 1: I'm the optimist.
Speaker 3: I'm playing roles. I don't want to give the audience
Speaker 3: that propression.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay out then then then we'll we'll play it
Speaker 1: as it lies.
Speaker 2: How about that? But I think that there's something here
Speaker 2: that we should be mindful of.
Speaker 1: In in the conversation since the last election, knowing that
Speaker 1: the last two women that ran for president lost to
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the man that ran against Donald Trump
Speaker 1: did win against him, you have a very simple formula
Speaker 1: that could suggest that women are not viable presidential candidates, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that that simple formula is dangerous because
Speaker 1: that conversation requires a lot more nuance. There's there's a
Speaker 1: lot more to look at in terms of the why.
Speaker 1: There's a lot, you know, and and we'll get to
Speaker 1: that in just a second. But before we get there,
Speaker 1: I'm going to share the words of Jasmine Crockett just
Speaker 1: to kind of help paint the picture, and then we'll
Speaker 1: go from there.
Speaker 2: All right, This is from the Black Information Network.
Speaker 1: Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett has revealed that Democratic donors are
Speaker 1: already eyeing the safest white boy as the party's presidential nominee.
Speaker 1: During a recent radio appearance, Crockett discussed the future of
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party following president Vice President Sorry Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: is lost to now President Trump in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four election. Per The Independent, the Texas lawmakers said Democratic
Speaker 1: donors are eyeing a white man to represent the party
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight since the previous women candidates like
Speaker 1: Harris and Hillary Clinton have been unsuccessful in their bits
Speaker 1: for the White House.
Speaker 2: Quote, it's this fear that the people.
Speaker 1: Within the party, within the primary system will have about
Speaker 1: voting for a woman, because every time we voted for
Speaker 1: a woman, we've lost so far, Crockett said. She goes
Speaker 1: on to say, I think that that's a natural fear
Speaker 1: because we just want to win. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that are like, you know what, like, let's
Speaker 1: go find the safest white.
Speaker 2: Boy we can find. I mean, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: The Democratic congresswoman noted that major donors were excited about
Speaker 1: one specific candidate.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 1: I had a donor on the phones with me telling
Speaker 1: me that all the donors are lining up behind that candidate.
Speaker 1: So I can tell I can tell you it's not
Speaker 1: a black person nor a woman. So they have quote unquote,
Speaker 1: they have chosen. When I say they, it's the same
Speaker 1: donors that most likely had their opinions about Joe Biden
Speaker 1: and moved, So like that would be the day that
Speaker 1: I would talk about unquote. Crockett declined to reveal the
Speaker 1: candidate's identity. There are several twenty twenty eight front runners
Speaker 1: who the Democratic presidential nominee that aligned with Crockett's comments,
Speaker 1: including California Governor Gavenuwsom, Pennsylvania Governor Joshapiro, Illinois Governor J. B. Pritsker,
Speaker 1: and former Transportation Secretary Pete Budhajetge. Okay, now, so far,
Speaker 1: everything that we've stated is is factual, and I want
Speaker 1: to keep the conversation as factual as possible before I
Speaker 1: jump off, do you have anything that that you want
Speaker 1: to stay here?
Speaker 2: Do you want to go first at all?
Speaker 3: I think it would make more sense for you just
Speaker 3: stay your position first, Okay. Okay, So mine is as
Speaker 3: contrary to yours as you believe.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, no, no, don't. I don't think it's a contrary.
Speaker 1: I just I know that it plays better because you
Speaker 1: kind of give some uh there's just a separate voice
Speaker 1: in the room, you know what I mean. But and
Speaker 1: I know that you don't disagree. It just helps flesh
Speaker 1: out the argument for the sake of, you know, the show.
Speaker 1: But here's the problem with these Democratic donors lining up
Speaker 1: behind the safest white boy. If they want to win,
Speaker 1: that's all well and good. But I think examining why
Speaker 1: they lost more critically, more thoroughly, you might find that
Speaker 1: it's not as simple as oh, well, she was a woman,
Speaker 1: so that's why she didn't win, any more than you
Speaker 1: could say that about Hillary Clinton. I believe it is
Speaker 1: possible for a woman to win the presidency of the
Speaker 1: United States, and clearly I believe it's possible for a
Speaker 1: woman to lose the presidency of the United States, just
Speaker 1: the same as it's possible for a man to win
Speaker 1: the presidency of the United States. And indeed, it is
Speaker 1: possible for a man to lose the presidency of the
Speaker 1: United States. All the presidencies, all the presidential campaigns that
Speaker 1: have ever existed, there was a man that lost. Okay,
Speaker 1: so men lose to. The Democrats didn't lose to in
Speaker 1: a row, but they did lose two.
Speaker 2: There were two.
Speaker 1: Women that lost in a row. Now, I could argue
Speaker 1: that for the first residential election against Donald Trump back
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton, Democrats maybe they underestimated the monster.
Speaker 1: That Donald Trump was the monster in terms of the
Speaker 1: numbers and the support that he had, but also you know,
Speaker 1: the monster monster. But I think that there's another element,
Speaker 1: there's another layer here too. I think that Democrats may
Speaker 1: have been feeling invincible, not just insofar as Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is concerned, but.
Speaker 2: I think that what Democrats did to Bernie.
Speaker 1: Sanders in the eleventh hour, which ultimately secured Hillary Clinton's
Speaker 1: nomination for the Democratic frontrunner for president in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: that felt deceptive and it felt like what's the word
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, Like cheating and cheating the voters and
Speaker 1: cheating you know what I mean? Like it felt like
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of the right word, but it felt
Speaker 1: like underhanded. And I think that the arrogance of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party back then making a move like that caused
Speaker 1: a lot of people to say, you know what, A
Speaker 1: lot of people that were excited about Bernie Sanders to say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I finally found somebody who was listening
Speaker 1: to me. We're trying to pull this country in a
Speaker 1: direction that's decidedly more kind, it's more thoughtful that cares
Speaker 1: about people were you know, Bernie Bernie Sanders famously is
Speaker 1: trying to get health care for everybody, lower drug prices,
Speaker 1: you know, tax billionaires accordingly, you know, put more funding
Speaker 1: into social services, and just kind of improved the quality
Speaker 1: of life for everyone, not just billionaires, but everyone, you know.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of people that really liked
Speaker 1: that idea yea, and Hillary Clinton represented kind of a
Speaker 1: more or less more of the same, and all the
Speaker 1: people that were super excited about Bernie Sanders, they just
Speaker 1: kind of got left out, you know, by the wayside.
Speaker 2: Now there are still people that voted for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 1: She won the popular vote, and I think that that
Speaker 1: makes a case that this country will still vote for
Speaker 1: a woman, But there are people that were disillusioned by that.
Speaker 2: Couple that with the fact that.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was something that no one expected back at
Speaker 1: that time, you have the result that you ended up with.
Speaker 1: But again, I think that her winning the popular vote
Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen illustrates the fact that women are
Speaker 1: viable presidential candidates. That maybe the strategy wasn't the right way.
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, what they did at that time wasn't
Speaker 1: the right thing to do. Maybe Trump was just something
Speaker 1: that no one could have prepared for. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that Hillary was not viable because she was a woman.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, the other half of this argument, of course, is
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, and you know famously she was unsuccessful at
Speaker 1: her bid for the presidency. But Kamala Harris got the
Speaker 1: nomination well after she should have and it was directly
Speaker 1: handed to her. The voters didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: There was not a robust primary, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They were just kind of like Joe Biden is thing
Speaker 1: longer than he promised that he would in the office,
Speaker 1: and then at the last minute he's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I won't run. This is the person I want to
Speaker 1: take over after me. And then that's what everyone was
Speaker 1: stuck with. Right, So people that wouldn't have preferred her,
Speaker 1: people that might have wanted a Boodoo Jedge or Bernie
Speaker 1: Sanders or whatever, it didn't get the opportunity.
Speaker 2: So she's starting laid in the game.
Speaker 1: In a set of under a set of circumstances that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe she wouldn't have asked for, you know,
Speaker 1: but she was the candidate and the backdrop of you know,
Speaker 1: our political I guess the political backdrop of the country
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, there were attacks on the border,
Speaker 1: a lot of attacks on the border. There were attacks
Speaker 1: on you know, trans people and there still are. And
Speaker 1: you know, Democrats were vulnerable to attacks from activists and
Speaker 1: people that were very concerned about what was going on
Speaker 1: in Gaza that commanded a huge amount of the bandwidth
Speaker 1: on social media, and people had made up their minds.
Speaker 2: That unless.
Speaker 1: These people condemned this war and stopped funding genocide and all.
Speaker 2: That sort of stuff, that Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Wasn't going to get their vote, and by extension, Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris wasn't going to get their vote. Right, So here
Speaker 1: we have a lot of things again, the border we got,
Speaker 1: you know, all these vulnerabilities for Democrats, and the Democrats
Speaker 1: did you know hindsight's twenty twenty. And I'm not a
Speaker 1: political strategist, but I'm making a point that the strategy
Speaker 1: or lack thereof played a bigger role than the fact
Speaker 1: that it was a woman. Okay, the Democrats have you know,
Speaker 1: I said, I said on a recent episode on the
Speaker 1: Black Information Network talking to que about the very same
Speaker 1: thing that we're talking about now, that the Democrats did
Speaker 1: not do a good job of picking a side. They
Speaker 1: were kind of kind of trying to play the middle.
Speaker 1: It was Joe Biden and then later Kamala Harris, right,
Speaker 1: and that that was the play that they wanted to run,
Speaker 1: and that might that could very well have been the
Speaker 1: right play. But one fundamental truth is that when you
Speaker 1: play the middle, you're now vulnerable to attacks from both sides,
Speaker 1: and you need people to vote for you from your base,
Speaker 1: but you also need people to you know, from the
Speaker 1: independence and the people they wouldn't have voted for Trump, right.
Speaker 1: But I think that Democrats maybe underestimated how important that
Speaker 1: the war on Gaza was and their stance on it,
Speaker 1: and they're funding the war on the Gozins. And again
Speaker 1: the border, you know, with Kamala Harris being labeled the
Speaker 1: borders are quote unquote Trump taking the border deal and
Speaker 1: them not making a big enough deal about that. Like, Yo,
Speaker 1: the reason we don't have a more secure border is
Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump, because he wants the campaign, because
Speaker 1: he needs a weak border to scare you the voter
Speaker 1: in a voting for him. But we already have a
Speaker 1: plan in place that is a bipartisan effort. They did,
Speaker 1: They didn't do a great job of messaging, right, and
Speaker 1: this was under Joe Biden's time and not Kamala Harris's
Speaker 1: campaign time that they could have, you know, messaged that
Speaker 1: quite a bit better. But anyway, these vulnerabilities I believe
Speaker 1: were based or rather the vulnerabilities of the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: were based on things that we saw happening in real time.
Speaker 2: We talked about on the show.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked to Q and I have certainly
Speaker 1: talked about him in private, and we talked about it
Speaker 1: with the actual.
Speaker 2: Democrats, right, And.
Speaker 1: To have now the Democratic donors look at a simplification
Speaker 1: of that formula, Well, we ran to women. They both lost,
Speaker 1: So women are not viable. I think that that is
Speaker 1: very damaging to women in general in politics, especially wanting
Speaker 1: to pursue the highest office in the land, and.
Speaker 2: On both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 1: Because if this is the narrative that gets chronicled about
Speaker 1: this time in our life twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: Republicans would look at that too and say, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't need to run a woman because women are not
Speaker 1: the country doesn't want to vote for a woman. And
Speaker 1: I think that just the fact that Hillary Clinton secured
Speaker 1: the popular vote in twenty sixteen shows that the country,
Speaker 1: most people are perfectly fine with voting for a woman. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are fans of Donald Trump for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, but the fact I just don't see the
Speaker 1: woman part of it being something that's prohibitive.
Speaker 2: And the only reason, the only way rather that women.
Speaker 1: Don't get to participate at that level of politics moving forward,
Speaker 1: is if this is the version of the story that
Speaker 1: we choose to tell ourselves, this very simple version of
Speaker 1: the story, Well we ran away. That's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we ran in an alternative universe. If Barack Obama would
Speaker 1: have lost his election, imagine for the following fifty years,
Speaker 1: people look, oh, remember we ran that one guy, Barack Obama,
Speaker 1: and he lost. So black people don't win elections. See
Speaker 1: that's like, we know Barack one. But you see how
Speaker 1: that's the wrong way to approach that. So this is
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm thinking about this.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: Jasmine hasn't said anything wrong, and I know that you're
Speaker 1: agreeing with me, but I worry that if we let
Speaker 1: them chronicle this version of the story, then we're doing
Speaker 1: a disservice to a lot of really brilliant, even tempered
Speaker 1: women who really do have what it takes to, you know,
Speaker 1: get us back right, you know. And the truth of
Speaker 1: the matter is that it's been black women in this
Speaker 1: country that has saved us from ourselves many times throughout
Speaker 1: this country's history, and for us to for this version
Speaker 1: of the story to be to be chronicled feels a
Speaker 1: little scary, and it feels like we're kind of like,
Speaker 1: whether it's the saying when you chop off your nose
Speaker 1: to spite your face or something, maybe that's how it feels.
Speaker 2: So your thoughts, well, first of all, very very well put.
Speaker 3: I do want to point out some things though, I
Speaker 3: think in listening to our sister's message, you might have
Speaker 3: taken and made a turn that she didn't make. The
Speaker 3: viability of women as candidates was never questioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she never said that.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 3: So the position that we just took several minutes defending
Speaker 3: or explaining.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, that's more the donors than her maid.
Speaker 3: What they're saying is that we live in an anti immigrant,
Speaker 3: anti gay, anti woman, anti people of color country, so
Speaker 3: it's more likely will win if the person running is white.
Speaker 3: That is not to the viability of people of color,
Speaker 3: or women or gay people. I think the candidate that
Speaker 3: I'm most excited about is a gay man who I
Speaker 3: think would by far be the best candidate that we
Speaker 3: could produce. However, to the conversation that we're having, the
Speaker 3: only two women that ever make the top of the
Speaker 3: ticket lost to the least qualified candidate that's ever run.
Speaker 2: For president, that's a fair point.
Speaker 3: Not because they weren't good enough or smart enough. They
Speaker 3: were actually not just more qualified than him. They may
Speaker 3: have been more qualified than everyone else who's ever run.
Speaker 3: They didn't lose for bad messaging or bad policy. Again
Speaker 3: the personal The other side of the ticket was Donald
Speaker 3: Trump and the case where apathy played such a huge
Speaker 3: role in this most recent election. Donald Trump argued the
Speaker 3: opposite point of the people who stayed home. The man said,
Speaker 3: out a loud on record, I want that Yahoo to
Speaker 3: finish the job. I want him to wipe your people out,
Speaker 3: and then we can go build golf clubs and resorts.
Speaker 3: She's still saying out loud he plans to do so.
Speaker 3: I think we give people who have shown us that
Speaker 3: they are anti women and anti LGBTQ and anti immigrant
Speaker 3: and anti black a pass. When we say that that's
Speaker 3: not true about them, it's absolutely true about them. The
Speaker 3: only way you explain those two women losing is that
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton's emails were a problem, Kamala's position was too
Speaker 3: center when the other guys saying destroy it all. The
Speaker 3: only way you find those reasons to disqualify them is
Speaker 3: when you've already decided you're not going to vote for them,
Speaker 3: So you just need something to point to. You said
Speaker 3: men can lose an election, Well, of course, if there's
Speaker 3: only two people running and one of them as a man,
Speaker 3: then by nature, someone has to lose. So you know,
Speaker 3: the argument that men can lose in election, that anybody
Speaker 3: can lose, but women have never won. But it's never
Speaker 3: about their qualifications or their viability. They're probably just based
Speaker 3: on evidence and data and our eyes, working far more
Speaker 3: qualified to do this job than we are. Everything would
Speaker 3: show it the level that they're educated. You know, raising
Speaker 3: families alone, health care and education for everyone didn't happen
Speaker 3: because they thought black people would have access to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1: Know we got along road ahead, but I think that
Speaker 1: you would join me in saying that at least remembering
Speaker 1: that women are viable candidates and impressing that onto our
Speaker 1: elected representatives at every level of government. Is how we
Speaker 1: control it for women, because you never know when we
Speaker 1: might need them.
Speaker 2: So we'll leave it all right there.
Speaker 3: And just before we go, we weren't less racist when
Speaker 3: Barack won. Yeah, and anyway, and he won, so yeah,
Speaker 3: definitely keep running. Yeah, yeah, no help us tear this
Speaker 3: thing down.
Speaker 2: But there it is.
Speaker 3: Again. The viability of women is not what was that question.
Speaker 3: It was our country's desire and ability to vote for
Speaker 3: and elect them.
Speaker 2: Well half of the country.
Speaker 1: But your point is well made, so yeah, we'll leave
Speaker 1: it right there, and thank you for tuning in to
Speaker 1: Civic Cipher.
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