WEBVTT - The Future of Women Leaders in Politics

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your host, Ramsy's Jah.

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<v Speaker 3>He is Rams's Jah, I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 1>And we have some more show for you, so we

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<v Speaker 1>want you to stick around. Jasmine Crockett was in the

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<v Speaker 1>news and she kind of let a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>I guess let the cat out of the bag that

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic donors are lining up behind a candidate for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight and she says that they selected the safest

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<v Speaker 1>white boy, and the implications of that decision, I think

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<v Speaker 1>can be kind of troubling. So we're going to examine

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<v Speaker 1>the results of the past couple of elections that were

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<v Speaker 1>run by women and hopefully make a case that women

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<v Speaker 1>still have a place at the top of the political

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<v Speaker 2>All right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine Crockett is i'd call her a friend of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's a dear friend of the show. Jasmine Crockett

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<v Speaker 1>is one of our our great she ros. And I

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<v Speaker 1>won't say that Jasmine Crockett is not telling the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do want to talk to people because so

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<v Speaker 1>in this conversation, it may be the case that I

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<v Speaker 1>will make a plea to you, our listener, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can continue to put pressure on your elected representatives,

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<v Speaker 1>continue to champion women and so forth, and Q if

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<v Speaker 1>you so choose, you can play the role of the realist,

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<v Speaker 1>which is often the role that you play anyway, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the optimist.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing roles. I don't want to give the audience

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<v Speaker 3>that propression.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay out then then then we'll we'll play it

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<v Speaker 1>as it lies.

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<v Speaker 2>How about that? But I think that there's something here

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<v Speaker 2>that we should be mindful of.

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<v Speaker 1>In in the conversation since the last election, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>the last two women that ran for president lost to

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump and the man that ran against Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>did win against him, you have a very simple formula

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<v Speaker 1>that could suggest that women are not viable presidential candidates, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that simple formula is dangerous because

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation requires a lot more nuance. There's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more to look at in terms of the why.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot, you know, and and we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that in just a second. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to share the words of Jasmine Crockett just

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of help paint the picture, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, This is from the Black Information Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett has revealed that Democratic donors are

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<v Speaker 1>already eyeing the safest white boy as the party's presidential nominee.

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<v Speaker 1>During a recent radio appearance, Crockett discussed the future of

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party following president Vice President Sorry Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>is lost to now President Trump in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four election. Per The Independent, the Texas lawmakers said Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>donors are eyeing a white man to represent the party

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty eight since the previous women candidates like

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<v Speaker 1>Harris and Hillary Clinton have been unsuccessful in their bits

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<v Speaker 1>for the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote, it's this fear that the people.

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<v Speaker 1>Within the party, within the primary system will have about

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<v Speaker 1>voting for a woman, because every time we voted for

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, we've lost so far, Crockett said. She goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say, I think that that's a natural fear

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<v Speaker 1>because we just want to win. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people that are like, you know what, like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go find the safest white.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy we can find. I mean, I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>The Democratic congresswoman noted that major donors were excited about

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<v Speaker 1>one specific candidate.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a donor on the phones with me telling

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<v Speaker 1>me that all the donors are lining up behind that candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>So I can tell I can tell you it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a black person nor a woman. So they have quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>they have chosen. When I say they, it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>donors that most likely had their opinions about Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>and moved, So like that would be the day that

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<v Speaker 1>I would talk about unquote. Crockett declined to reveal the

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<v Speaker 1>candidate's identity. There are several twenty twenty eight front runners

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<v Speaker 1>who the Democratic presidential nominee that aligned with Crockett's comments,

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<v Speaker 1>including California Governor Gavenuwsom, Pennsylvania Governor Joshapiro, Illinois Governor J. B. Pritsker,

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<v Speaker 1>and former Transportation Secretary Pete Budhajetge. Okay, now, so far,

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<v Speaker 1>everything that we've stated is is factual, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the conversation as factual as possible before I

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<v Speaker 1>jump off, do you have anything that that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to stay here?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to go first at all?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it would make more sense for you just

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<v Speaker 3>stay your position first, Okay. Okay, So mine is as

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<v Speaker 3>contrary to yours as you believe.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, no, no, no, don't. I don't think it's a contrary.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I know that it plays better because you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of give some uh there's just a separate voice

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<v Speaker 1>in the room, you know what I mean. But and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you don't disagree. It just helps flesh

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<v Speaker 1>out the argument for the sake of, you know, the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the problem with these Democratic donors lining up

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<v Speaker 1>behind the safest white boy. If they want to win,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all well and good. But I think examining why

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<v Speaker 1>they lost more critically, more thoroughly, you might find that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as oh, well, she was a woman,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why she didn't win, any more than you

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<v Speaker 1>could say that about Hillary Clinton. I believe it is

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<v Speaker 1>possible for a woman to win the presidency of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, and clearly I believe it's possible for a

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<v Speaker 1>woman to lose the presidency of the United States, just

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<v Speaker 1>the same as it's possible for a man to win

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<v Speaker 1>the presidency of the United States. And indeed, it is

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<v Speaker 1>possible for a man to lose the presidency of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. All the presidencies, all the presidential campaigns that

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<v Speaker 1>have ever existed, there was a man that lost. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so men lose to. The Democrats didn't lose to in

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<v Speaker 1>a row, but they did lose two.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two.

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<v Speaker 1>Women that lost in a row. Now, I could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that for the first residential election against Donald Trump back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton, Democrats maybe they underestimated the monster.

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<v Speaker 1>That Donald Trump was the monster in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers and the support that he had, but also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the monster monster. But I think that there's another element,

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<v Speaker 1>there's another layer here too. I think that Democrats may

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<v Speaker 1>have been feeling invincible, not just insofar as Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is concerned, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what Democrats did to Bernie.

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders in the eleventh hour, which ultimately secured Hillary Clinton's

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<v Speaker 1>nomination for the Democratic frontrunner for president in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>that felt deceptive and it felt like what's the word

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for, Like cheating and cheating the voters and

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<v Speaker 1>cheating you know what I mean? Like it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not thinking of the right word, but it felt

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<v Speaker 1>like underhanded. And I think that the arrogance of the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party back then making a move like that caused

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people to say, you know what, A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that were excited about Bernie Sanders to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I finally found somebody who was listening

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<v Speaker 1>to me. We're trying to pull this country in a

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<v Speaker 1>direction that's decidedly more kind, it's more thoughtful that cares

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<v Speaker 1>about people were you know, Bernie Bernie Sanders famously is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get health care for everybody, lower drug prices,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, tax billionaires accordingly, you know, put more funding

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<v Speaker 1>into social services, and just kind of improved the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life for everyone, not just billionaires, but everyone, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were a lot of people that really liked

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<v Speaker 1>that idea yea, and Hillary Clinton represented kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>more or less more of the same, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>people that were super excited about Bernie Sanders, they just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of got left out, you know, by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are still people that voted for Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 1>She won the popular vote, and I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>makes a case that this country will still vote for

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<v Speaker 1>a woman, But there are people that were disillusioned by that.

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<v Speaker 2>Couple that with the fact that.

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was something that no one expected back at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, you have the result that you ended up with.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, I think that her winning the popular vote

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty sixteen illustrates the fact that women are

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<v Speaker 1>viable presidential candidates. That maybe the strategy wasn't the right way.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know, what they did at that time wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing to do. Maybe Trump was just something

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<v Speaker 1>that no one could have prepared for. But that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that Hillary was not viable because she was a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the other half of this argument, of course, is

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris, and you know famously she was unsuccessful at

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<v Speaker 1>her bid for the presidency. But Kamala Harris got the

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<v Speaker 1>nomination well after she should have and it was directly

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<v Speaker 1>handed to her. The voters didn't get a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>There was not a robust primary, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just kind of like Joe Biden is thing

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<v Speaker 1>longer than he promised that he would in the office,

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<v Speaker 1>and then at the last minute he's like, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't run. This is the person I want to

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<v Speaker 1>take over after me. And then that's what everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>stuck with. Right, So people that wouldn't have preferred her,

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<v Speaker 1>people that might have wanted a Boodoo Jedge or Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders or whatever, it didn't get the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's starting laid in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>In a set of under a set of circumstances that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe she wouldn't have asked for, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was the candidate and the backdrop of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our political I guess the political backdrop of the country

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. You know, there were attacks on the border,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of attacks on the border. There were attacks

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<v Speaker 1>on you know, trans people and there still are. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Democrats were vulnerable to attacks from activists and

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<v Speaker 1>people that were very concerned about what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza that commanded a huge amount of the bandwidth

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, and people had made up their minds.

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<v Speaker 2>That unless.

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<v Speaker 1>These people condemned this war and stopped funding genocide and all.

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<v Speaker 2>That sort of stuff, that Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't going to get their vote, and by extension, Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris wasn't going to get their vote. Right, So here

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of things again, the border we got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all these vulnerabilities for Democrats, and the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>did you know hindsight's twenty twenty. And I'm not a

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<v Speaker 1>political strategist, but I'm making a point that the strategy

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<v Speaker 1>or lack thereof played a bigger role than the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a woman. Okay, the Democrats have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I said on a recent episode on the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Information Network talking to que about the very same

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we're talking about now, that the Democrats did

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<v Speaker 1>not do a good job of picking a side. They

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of kind of trying to play the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Joe Biden and then later Kamala Harris, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that was the play that they wanted to run,

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<v Speaker 1>and that might that could very well have been the

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<v Speaker 1>right play. But one fundamental truth is that when you

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<v Speaker 1>play the middle, you're now vulnerable to attacks from both sides,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need people to vote for you from your base,

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<v Speaker 1>but you also need people to you know, from the

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<v Speaker 1>independence and the people they wouldn't have voted for Trump, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that Democrats maybe underestimated how important that

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<v Speaker 1>the war on Gaza was and their stance on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're funding the war on the Gozins. And again

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<v Speaker 1>the border, you know, with Kamala Harris being labeled the

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<v Speaker 1>borders are quote unquote Trump taking the border deal and

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<v Speaker 1>them not making a big enough deal about that. Like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we don't have a more secure border is

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<v Speaker 1>because of Donald Trump, because he wants the campaign, because

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<v Speaker 1>he needs a weak border to scare you the voter

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<v Speaker 1>in a voting for him. But we already have a

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<v Speaker 1>plan in place that is a bipartisan effort. They did,

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't do a great job of messaging, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was under Joe Biden's time and not Kamala Harris's

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<v Speaker 1>campaign time that they could have, you know, messaged that

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit better. But anyway, these vulnerabilities I believe

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<v Speaker 1>were based or rather the vulnerabilities of the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>were based on things that we saw happening in real time.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we talked to Q and I have certainly

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<v Speaker 1>talked about him in private, and we talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>with the actual.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats, right, And.

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<v Speaker 1>To have now the Democratic donors look at a simplification

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<v Speaker 1>of that formula, Well, we ran to women. They both lost,

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<v Speaker 1>So women are not viable. I think that that is

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<v Speaker 1>very damaging to women in general in politics, especially wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to pursue the highest office in the land, and.

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<v Speaker 2>On both sides of the aisle.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if this is the narrative that gets chronicled about

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<v Speaker 1>this time in our life twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans would look at that too and say, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to run a woman because women are not

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<v Speaker 1>the country doesn't want to vote for a woman. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that just the fact that Hillary Clinton secured

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<v Speaker 1>the popular vote in twenty sixteen shows that the country,

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<v Speaker 1>most people are perfectly fine with voting for a woman. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are fans of Donald Trump for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, but the fact I just don't see the

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<v Speaker 1>woman part of it being something that's prohibitive.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only reason, the only way rather that women.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get to participate at that level of politics moving forward,

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<v Speaker 1>is if this is the version of the story that

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<v Speaker 1>we choose to tell ourselves, this very simple version of

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<v Speaker 1>the story, Well we ran away. That's like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we ran in an alternative universe. If Barack Obama would

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<v Speaker 1>have lost his election, imagine for the following fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>people look, oh, remember we ran that one guy, Barack Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>and he lost. So black people don't win elections. See

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<v Speaker 1>that's like, we know Barack one. But you see how

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<v Speaker 1>that's the wrong way to approach that. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what I'm thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Jasmine hasn't said anything wrong, and I know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>agreeing with me, but I worry that if we let

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<v Speaker 1>them chronicle this version of the story, then we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>a disservice to a lot of really brilliant, even tempered

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<v Speaker 1>women who really do have what it takes to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get us back right, you know. And the truth of

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<v Speaker 1>the matter is that it's been black women in this

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<v Speaker 1>country that has saved us from ourselves many times throughout

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<v Speaker 1>this country's history, and for us to for this version

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<v Speaker 1>of the story to be to be chronicled feels a

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<v Speaker 1>little scary, and it feels like we're kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's the saying when you chop off your nose

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<v Speaker 1>to spite your face or something, maybe that's how it feels.

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<v Speaker 2>So your thoughts, well, first of all, very very well put.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to point out some things though, I

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<v Speaker 3>think in listening to our sister's message, you might have

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<v Speaker 3>taken and made a turn that she didn't make. The

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<v Speaker 3>viability of women as candidates was never questioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she never said that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair.

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<v Speaker 3>So the position that we just took several minutes defending

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<v Speaker 3>or explaining.

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<v Speaker 2>It, yeah, that's more the donors than her maid.

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<v Speaker 3>What they're saying is that we live in an anti immigrant,

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<v Speaker 3>anti gay, anti woman, anti people of color country, so

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<v Speaker 3>it's more likely will win if the person running is white.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not to the viability of people of color,

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<v Speaker 3>or women or gay people. I think the candidate that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm most excited about is a gay man who I

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<v Speaker 3>think would by far be the best candidate that we

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<v Speaker 3>could produce. However, to the conversation that we're having, the

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<v Speaker 3>only two women that ever make the top of the

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<v Speaker 3>ticket lost to the least qualified candidate that's ever run.

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<v Speaker 2>For president, that's a fair point.

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<v Speaker 3>Not because they weren't good enough or smart enough. They

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<v Speaker 3>were actually not just more qualified than him. They may

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<v Speaker 3>have been more qualified than everyone else who's ever run.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't lose for bad messaging or bad policy. Again

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<v Speaker 3>the personal The other side of the ticket was Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump and the case where apathy played such a huge

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<v Speaker 3>role in this most recent election. Donald Trump argued the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite point of the people who stayed home. The man said,

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<v Speaker 3>out a loud on record, I want that Yahoo to

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<v Speaker 3>finish the job. I want him to wipe your people out,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we can go build golf clubs and resorts.

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<v Speaker 3>She's still saying out loud he plans to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we give people who have shown us that

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<v Speaker 3>they are anti women and anti LGBTQ and anti immigrant

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<v Speaker 3>and anti black a pass. When we say that that's

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<v Speaker 3>not true about them, it's absolutely true about them. The

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<v Speaker 3>only way you explain those two women losing is that

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<v Speaker 3>Hillary Clinton's emails were a problem, Kamala's position was too

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<v Speaker 3>center when the other guys saying destroy it all. The

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<v Speaker 3>only way you find those reasons to disqualify them is

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<v Speaker 3>when you've already decided you're not going to vote for them,

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<v Speaker 3>So you just need something to point to. You said

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<v Speaker 3>men can lose an election, Well, of course, if there's

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<v Speaker 3>only two people running and one of them as a man,

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<v Speaker 3>then by nature, someone has to lose. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the argument that men can lose in election, that anybody

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<v Speaker 3>can lose, but women have never won. But it's never

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<v Speaker 3>about their qualifications or their viability. They're probably just based

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<v Speaker 3>on evidence and data and our eyes, working far more

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<v Speaker 3>qualified to do this job than we are. Everything would

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<v Speaker 3>show it the level that they're educated. You know, raising

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<v Speaker 3>families alone, health care and education for everyone didn't happen

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<v Speaker 3>because they thought black people would have access to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know we got along road ahead, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you would join me in saying that at least remembering

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<v Speaker 1>that women are viable candidates and impressing that onto our

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<v Speaker 1>elected representatives at every level of government. Is how we

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<v Speaker 1>control it for women, because you never know when we

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<v Speaker 1>might need them.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll leave it all right there.

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<v Speaker 3>And just before we go, we weren't less racist when

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<v Speaker 3>Barack won. Yeah, and anyway, and he won, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely keep running. Yeah, yeah, no help us tear this

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<v Speaker 3>thing down.

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<v Speaker 2>But there it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Again. The viability of women is not what was that question.

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<v Speaker 3>It was our country's desire and ability to vote for

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<v Speaker 3>and elect them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well half of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>But your point is well made, so yeah, we'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>it right there, and thank you for tuning in to

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<v Speaker 1>Civic Cipher.

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