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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. We got

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Speaker 1: a special guest, Geeto. Let's go, twenty two Pro bowler

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two comeback Player of the Year, Seahawks record

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Speaker 1: holder for completion percentage, passing yards passing the TIMPs.

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, big dog, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you coming on, man, it had to

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Speaker 1: feel good. I mean, people are talk to you enough

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Speaker 1: about you know, you didn't right back and all that,

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Speaker 1: but you played every team that you played for. You

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Speaker 1: went three and zero against those teams. You went against

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Speaker 1: Russ in the beginning of the season and Pete tried

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Speaker 1: to downplay it and say it didn't mean anything to anybody,

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Speaker 1: but clearly it did.

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Speaker 2: He's running through white boards. But it just was incredible

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Speaker 2: to year.

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Speaker 1: For you, man, And I'm just so happy for you

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Speaker 1: and excited for the future because I mean, you've been

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Speaker 1: here for tim but you gotta feel.

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Speaker 4: Like a rookie, been like a rookie. Man, it feels

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Speaker 4: like it feels like the first day. Like I just

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Speaker 4: got out the weight room. Man, the guys are all here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we got a good amount of guys here. Shoot, man,

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's my first year all over again.

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Speaker 3: Dude.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to, you know, recreate myself. I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: prove myself all over again. It starts, you know, from

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Speaker 4: day one. So I'm just taking it one day at

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Speaker 4: a time, really, just going out there trying to prove myself.

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Speaker 1: You got your payday, you got some financial security. That

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Speaker 1: always feels good. You got respect. You know, people always like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: give me all the money, but the money is more respect,

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Speaker 1: like respect my craft, respect what I've done, and believe

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again. So how did that feel?

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Speaker 1: John and Pete and the Seahawks believed in you in

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Speaker 4: I mean, it started out with just giving me an opportunity,

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Speaker 3: And really that's all I needed, dude. It's all I

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Speaker 4: And then obviously after the season we had, you know,

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Speaker 4: put a little respect on my name. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: not totally satisfied. You know, I feel like I got

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Speaker 4: you know, just focusing on, dude, what can I do

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Speaker 4: to get better this year? How can I leave these

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Speaker 4: Produce more wins, you know, more yards, more touchdowns. Uh,

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Speaker 4: because you know, we're building something here special, and I

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Speaker 1: I mean, last year, the expectations were so low, you know,

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Speaker 4: Expectations are are what you make it. You know, I

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Speaker 4: setting the expectation, setting your goals high, right, you want

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Speaker 3: I mean that should always be the expectation. You know,

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Speaker 3: And so I expect us to win a lot of games.

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Speaker 4: Man getting Bobby back, that was huge. We're gonna get

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Speaker 3: We just gotta keep working at it.

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Speaker 1: When do you think it changed for you? Was it

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Speaker 1: it really changed where you're like, Hey, I just need

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Speaker 1: I think it started with, you know, after I tore

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Speaker 4: From that point on, I worked my ass off. I

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Speaker 4: It was one game that pissed me off. Went to

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Speaker 1: When you came out of West Virginia, the expectations were

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Speaker 1: a steady ship. You know what you're gonna get every day,

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Speaker 2: Huge? Effects?

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Speaker 4: Man, It changed me because I have been in so

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Speaker 3: You're like, all right, this is this real?

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Speaker 4: Like got shooting hoops, you got music playing, everybody just

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Speaker 4: for you know, the course of now four years from me,

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Speaker 1: No question, no question. And when you came in, obviously

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Speaker 4: Man, Like Russ is my brother, and you know, I

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Speaker 4: Because his unwahavering belief in himself, unwavering belief in the

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Speaker 2: You didne made the Pro Bowl. I'm sure you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what your goals were going into the season,

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Speaker 3: You know, starting with the division. We lost to Sam

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Speaker 3: You know. I didn't never think about, hey, I want

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Speaker 1: Right, you don't, you don't. Well, you got a draft

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Speaker 2: Who we getting?

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Speaker 4: You know, I got some eyes on some guys out there,

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Speaker 1: It's a it's gonna be a crazy draft because these

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Speaker 1: They're saying, no, there's teams that don't even got a

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Speaker 2: Just shut up, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Throwing stuff out there. The sources is themselves.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, But I think it's gonna be great either way.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's nice to have that draft capital

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Speaker 2: More different, dude. He's a killer. He's a killer out there. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna be a real estate agent and I'm

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Speaker 3: I've seen it happen, right.

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Speaker 4: Just let you know, like, man, when he brings that

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Speaker 1: Man, he gonna find a way. He gonna find a way.

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Speaker 1: And people was gonna play. They're like, man, he slides

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Speaker 2: Y'all. Don't understand this league, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Yards Yeah, hall of famers, right, Martin Harrison, Reggie Wayne.

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Speaker 2: Right. And he catching it over the middle. It ain't

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Speaker 1: How is your game evolved because boy, you throw a

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Speaker 4: seventy yards and just blew past everybody and you know,

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Speaker 4: score put us up in that game. And from that

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Speaker 4: point on, you can just see where his confidence took off.

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I can do it, and I can.

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Speaker 2: Do this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And so it went from you know, he's the pub

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Speaker 3: to now get this dude the ball. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: dog and he's gonna make things happen.

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Speaker 4: And so I was very impressed with what he did

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Speaker 4: last year, all our rookies, but especially him, and I

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Speaker 4: think him transitioning into you know the next season of

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Speaker 4: being a bell cow right, like he's not sneaking up

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Speaker 4: on anybody.

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Speaker 3: They know what he can do.

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Speaker 4: When he gets the ball, all eleven is gonna have

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Speaker 4: eyes on him, and so, you know, just working on

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Speaker 4: him and trying to get him better as well, and

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Speaker 4: just figuring out new ways for him to be even

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Speaker 4: better back than he was last year.

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Speaker 1: And talk about those two tackles, they had a really

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Speaker 1: good year. You'd never expect that. Usually two rookie tackles

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Speaker 1: don't go well. You know what I mean, That season

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Speaker 1: is usually get that hot tell. But those dudes had

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Speaker 1: really really incredible seasons, especially for rookies, and they'll only

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Speaker 1: take bigger steps in year two. What what did you

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Speaker 1: feel like help them? You know, obviously you hitting your

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Speaker 1: back foot, letting the ball go helps, but did you

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Speaker 1: feel like you you spent extra time with them or

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Speaker 1: you do it, did anything to help their progression throughout

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Speaker 1: the year.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it started with them the individual.

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Speaker 4: Both are very mature guys, you know, their maturity right

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Speaker 4: coming in being pros right away. Charles Cross, you know,

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Speaker 4: the thing that stood out with him for me was

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Speaker 4: the first week of like OTAs when he got here,

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Speaker 4: he was already just starting left tackle and he was

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Speaker 4: making no mistakes. He was just he just jumped right

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Speaker 4: in and it felt like he'd been here here the

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Speaker 4: whole time. And when you got a guy, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this guy's a rookie, right, but it's not too big

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Speaker 4: for him. He's not wide eye, he's not afraid of anybody.

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Speaker 4: He's not afraid of you know, there's some great defensive

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Speaker 4: ends and edge guys that he has to face and

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Speaker 4: he's going to see that every single week in this league.

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Speaker 3: And he's up for that challenge. He's ready for it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I talk to him and he's like, you know, I

482
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Speaker 4: just go play, you know, I just go play and

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Speaker 4: do my thing. And I'm like, shoot, that's all you

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Speaker 4: gotta do. And then you talk about yeah, you talk

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Speaker 4: about big a right, another mature, big dude, but mature kid.

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Speaker 4: And he's ready for it. You know, it's nothing that

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Speaker 4: it phases him out there. He's not afraid. He's not

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Speaker 4: he gets beat, he's like, all right, whatever. You know,

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Speaker 4: he comes to me on the sideline, he's like, hey,

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Speaker 4: how's the protection? You know, how's the pocket? And this

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Speaker 4: is a rookie tackle doing this every single drive. How's

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Speaker 4: the pocket? How's the protection? To the point where I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 4: it's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm talking. Yeah, I'll talk to you when

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Speaker 3: it's not fine.

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Speaker 4: But but just the things that he does in his routine,

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Speaker 4: that's his routine of you know, figuring out how he's

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Speaker 4: doing throughout the game.

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Speaker 3: And so having those two guys in the way that

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Speaker 3: they played.

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Speaker 4: They played every single snap, every single practice, they competed

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Speaker 4: their butts off all year. I'm just so happy to

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Speaker 4: see because those are two franchise tackles. I'm happy to

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Speaker 4: see where where the direction of this uh, this team's

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Speaker 4: gonna go with those two guys leading it.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge part of a team, you know, just

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Speaker 1: having those foundational pieces at the tackle spot and you're

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Speaker 1: not paying them a gazillion dollars right now.

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Speaker 2: You will be, you will eventually.

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Speaker 1: But having those pieces in place, and then having a

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Speaker 1: defense in place, and I hear Pete's going back to

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Speaker 1: the scheme, thank god, and it's gonna I think the

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Speaker 1: defense is gonna really turn it on this year. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna be very sound, they're gonna be fast, they're gonna

515
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Speaker 1: be flying around. You got all pro players like Jamal Adams.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be back feeling good. Quandre been back there bawling,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, make huge plays down to stretch for y'all

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Speaker 1: the Rams game. His leadership has evolved, Tariq. It will

519
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Speaker 1: only take more steps forward. Mike jackets back.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they'll do on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the corner, but it's gonna be a really fun year.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to take too much of your time.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got things to do today. If you

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Speaker 1: got any questions for me, feel free.

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Speaker 3: I got no questions, man, but I appreciate you having

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Speaker 3: me on.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: You know, I watch a podcast all the time. You know,

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Speaker 4: love what you're doing. Man, Just keep it up.

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Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you, man, I really appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: time out of the OTA's and out of your day.

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Speaker 1: Good luck this year, and hopefully we had you on

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Speaker 1: during the year. Yes, sir, Yes, sir, you can book

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Speaker 1: it out. Appreciate you all right, brother.

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Speaker 2: The volume