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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.

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Speaker 2: With me right now is a special guest and we've

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Speaker 2: heard a lot about him, but now let's hear from him.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Penny Lyle, fifteen year old

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Speaker 2: Penny Lyle's father, Ryan Lyles. Mister Lyles, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us, mister Lyles. This whole thing has spiral,

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Speaker 2: has spun out, way out of control. I know from

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Speaker 2: talking to you before we went to air that your

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Speaker 2: number one concern is getting Penny home safely. How did

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Speaker 2: this whole thing start?

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Speaker 3: Well, it started with my older daughter's cell phone. She

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Speaker 3: said it needed to get fixed, and I said, we'll

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Speaker 3: set it on the counter.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: The cell phone sat there for a day or two

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Speaker 3: and started going off with messages. I looked at the phone.

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Speaker 3: We've seen some incriminating messages on the cell phone.

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Speaker 2: What did you see?

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Speaker 3: Just they're buying drugs or using drugs. They're sneaking out

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Speaker 3: at night, they're not being responsible kids. And it wasn't

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Speaker 3: this my oldest daughter. It was all of them. Jonathan's

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Speaker 3: the only one with a corne.

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Speaker 2: Now, hold on, I want to clarify they're not out

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Speaker 2: buying crack and heroin. You're talking about marijuana and possibly Mollie.

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Speaker 3: What's called mollie? If they had mentioned marijuana and mal

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Speaker 3: which is it's supposed to be m DMA or ecstasy,

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Speaker 3: and I could turn with that.

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Speaker 2: Is it that it could have anything in it? You

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Speaker 2: don't know what it's been mixed with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have anything at all.

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Speaker 2: So the older sister, Penny, who is fifteen, older sister

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Speaker 2: leaves her cell phone. It's ding ding dinging. You look

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Speaker 2: at it, and, as I would, you start reading it.

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Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna read it. And you find on

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Speaker 2: Peni's older sister cell phone texts and messages about marijuana,

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Speaker 2: about molly, And of course there are parents out there

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Speaker 2: or molly and not heroin and not cocaine and not methamphetamines.

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Speaker 2: But still I would be beside myself as well if

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Speaker 2: I found out the twins were using marijuana and molly.

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Speaker 2: So you find other things on there about sex, which

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Speaker 2: no dad wants to think about his daughter, but it happens.

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Speaker 2: But it's my understanding from what you told me earlier,

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Speaker 3: So I text Penny, comes straight home after school, because

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Speaker 3: you know, sometimes on meander around and drive the log

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Speaker 3: you know, just going to lunch. I'm really now, I'm

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Speaker 3: not sure exactly what they would do.

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Speaker 2: So you texted Penny who's now missing, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: did you text her siblings?

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Speaker 3: I only only text Penny come straight home after school.

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Speaker 3: My son would ride the bus home so I didn't

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Speaker 3: have to worry about him, and my oldest daughter had

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Speaker 3: graduated already, so it was just Penny I needed to

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Speaker 3: come straight home. But in the meantime I had told

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Speaker 3: my wife what I had found, and my oldest daughter

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Speaker 3: had heard that conversation because she was here at the

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Speaker 3: house and she called Penny. Until Penny's dad got my

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Speaker 3: cell phone, and he knows everything. He knows it all.

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Speaker 3: He's in the cell phone, he's got access to it.

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Speaker 3: We're busted.

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Speaker 2: And based on your old your other daughter calling Penny going, uh,

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Speaker 2: the gig is up. Dad knows everything. He read my phone.

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Speaker 2: Penny is afraid because she's gonna get in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Penny is afraid that she knows what's gonna come. She

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Speaker 3: knows that Jonathan is. She's not responsible to have Jonathan

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Speaker 3: around the house anymore. She knows that. That's because we

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Speaker 3: had an agreement, you know what I mean, Jonathan could

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Speaker 3: not any like physical intimacy, there's not There was rules

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Speaker 3: set out to this relationship, and we shouldn't have done

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Speaker 3: it to begin with, but there was rules set out,

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Speaker 2: Now you let Jonah when you guys moved, you let Jonathan,

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Speaker 2: who is now turn eighteen move with your family.

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Speaker 3: Well, why, I'm very strict with my oldest daughter. We

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Speaker 3: you know, nurture the relationship and watch it and be

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Speaker 3: I have a large property here in Oregon, and I

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Speaker 3: like they could have, there was curfused where he had

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Speaker 2: So question, after your daughter Peeny, who's now missing, gets

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Speaker 2: tipped off, Dad's mad. He knows the whole thing, what happens, then.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just continue to look at these tents. And

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Speaker 3: I really I didn't think anything about Penny not coming

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Speaker 3: At about three forty five, four o'clock, I'm texting Penny

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Speaker 3: in return, and I called her several times and nothing.

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Speaker 3: So I drove to the school. And when I got

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Speaker 2: The doors were locked, the sheriffs were.

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Speaker 3: There, the doors were locked, the sheriff. They wouldn't let

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Speaker 3: because Penny said she was scared, scared of what well

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Speaker 2: Jonathan's okay because she what, in your mind assumed that

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Speaker 2: because she's in trouble, that you were going to make

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Speaker 3: That was already a known consequence. They're only allowed to

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Speaker 3: And if you can't be responsible, then like if your

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Speaker 3: grades fall, you know what I mean, there's there's a response.

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Speaker 3: You have to be responsible in order to have that privilege.

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Speaker 3: And they were doing all right in their grades and

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Speaker 3: do any sports this year and Penny didn't do any sports.

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Speaker 3: They didn't do any of that stuff that their parents

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Speaker 3: claimed they did. They didn't do any of it. They

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Speaker 3: weren't involved in school at all. They wouldn't go to

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Speaker 3: starting to get a little frustrating, just to say the least.

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Speaker 3: But now I realize why.

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Speaker 2: When you get to the school the doors are like

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Speaker 2: the Sheriff's there and Peeni's inside. What happened? Then?

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Speaker 3: I waited around for a few minutes and I thought,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is fruitless. I need to call my wife,

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Speaker 3: I called my wife and she left work immediately and

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Speaker 3: she went to the school. I went home at that point.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had a other sign that's there, and

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Speaker 2: Well, plus, they told you they're afraid of you, So

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Speaker 2: you leave and your wife get so much as your

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Speaker 2: goal is to get peenis.

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Speaker 3: My wife went there? You asked, my goal is just

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Speaker 3: to get Kenny at this point, and.

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Speaker 1: Then what happens and.

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Speaker 3: My wife is there and they won't let her in,

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Speaker 3: and they're questioning Penny and Jonathan for two hours, two

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Speaker 3: that time. They simply were scared to go home because

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Speaker 2: Now, as you know, it has been alleged there is

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Speaker 2: a video of you abusing one of your children. What

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Speaker 3: I want to let's see it and put it on

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Speaker 3: national news for everybody to see. That's my response to that.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to have him produce it, whoever says they

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Speaker 3: have it, and let's see it because it doesn't exist

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Speaker 3: because I don't abuse my children.

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Speaker 2: Question, yes, were you in the court hearing when Jonas's

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Speaker 2: dad gets a protective order against you? Were you there?

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Speaker 3: No, they did that in Missouri, and I'm an Oregon.

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Speaker 2: To your knowledge, was a video or anything like a

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Speaker 3: There was Look from the paperwork I got the I

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Speaker 3: forget what it's called the evidence or whatever, but that

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Speaker 3: they put was three statements written on handwritten paper, and

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Speaker 3: they all said the same thing. Ryan called me on

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Speaker 3: this date and threatened to kill me and my family.

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Speaker 3: That was the three things that were listed in the report.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there was anything else, but that's

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Speaker 2: Ryan Lyle, this is Penny Lyle's dad. Are you telling

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Speaker 2: me that you have not abused your children?

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Speaker 3: Never? Not once. I treat them like princesses and princes.

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Speaker 3: My family needs everything to me.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about something else? You told me how

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Speaker 2: you try to give them. You gave them a horse,

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Speaker 2: You got a car for Jonathan when he moved with you,

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Speaker 2: a truck. I believe it was tell me about what

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Speaker 2: I wish I could remember where it was, Jackie. Of

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Speaker 2: course you have to look it up. There's a say,

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Speaker 2: there's a phrase in the Bible that says, of course

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try. I'm going to give you what you need.

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Speaker 2: If my child asks for bread, would I give them stone?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you try to give your children what they want,

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Speaker 2: what they need, to delight them, to make them happy.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about how you raised your children, specifically Penny.

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Speaker 3: So, Penny, it's actually my first, my first daughter, my

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Speaker 3: oldest daughter. She's my girl, but she's not biologically by

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Speaker 3: I've had her since she was one, but Penny is

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Speaker 3: ever wanted. You know, they they get it. They you

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Speaker 3: know I'm a softie for them. They I protect them.

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Speaker 3: I do everything. They've had, horses, they've had, you know,

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Speaker 3: everything that they can imagine. If they wanted this pair

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Speaker 3: they got it. You know, this this problem, this this

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Speaker 3: winter formal, you know, I I I Penn Jonathan's flower,

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Speaker 3: You know, they took my truck. They you know, I

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Speaker 3: treated Jonathan too like he was my own when his

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Speaker 3: day after, I got him a truck to drag about him,

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Speaker 3: and said, here you go. I just don't understand what

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Speaker 3: the it's just the whole thing is justin.

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Speaker 2: Because right now it's my understanding and we're going to

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Speaker 2: talk to Penny. It's my understanding, mister Lyle that Penny

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Speaker 2: and Jonathan and I can honestly tell you I don't

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Speaker 2: know what state they're in right now, Well, what's their

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Speaker 2: true location. They're afraid that if they come back, that

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Speaker 2: you are going to insist that Jonathan go to jail

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Speaker 2: and be prosecuted and they're going to be split up.

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Speaker 3: Even through all the all the stuff. The first week,

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Speaker 3: this is our plan. Is this okay with you? I said, yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when she slipped away from authorities, yeah, and

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Speaker 3: You got it. God, I can't. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: If authorities come to you and say, do you want

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Speaker 3: But this is my fear. Jonathan has already proved that

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Speaker 3: And if I let her back here, of course there's

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Speaker 3: that's understandable from any parents, right, She's not going to

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Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know what to do

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Speaker 2: You don't know the answer the answer, but you would

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Speaker 2: ask authorities not to prosecute as it stands. Right now,

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Speaker 2: it says this is an allegation by Jonathan's dad, Wayne Stockel. Okay.

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Speaker 2: November fourteen, Ryan Lyle stated, I'm reading what he wrote,

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Speaker 2: mister Lyles. Okay. Ryan Lyle stated, I will kill your

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Speaker 2: What is your response to those claims?

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Speaker 3: So the only truth in that is that I text

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Speaker 3: I will never quit looking. I believe that they have

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Speaker 2: Do you think Penny is with Jonathan's family.

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Speaker 3: I think that they're they're involved in this more than

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Speaker 2: Okay, I have your text, and this is what it says.

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Speaker 2: We know you're helping them. Okay, you do believe they're

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Speaker 2: watching your family, looking for my kid. I have all

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Speaker 2: your older kids info as well. I will find Penny.

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Speaker 2: You're a pilot, but Jonathan is going to get in

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Speaker 2: prison for being a pedophile. You keep helping and giving

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Speaker 2: why would you.

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Speaker 3: Tell you that, I'm not proud of what I said,

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Speaker 3: dads that are very, very angry and very emotional reacting

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Speaker 2: What has your life been like?

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Speaker 4: Sis?

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Speaker 3: Until we found them in tone Upon, until they had

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Speaker 2: So what about your wife? What about your wife?

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Speaker 3: She misses Penny. She's just the straught she's having to uh.

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Speaker 3: When they found him in tone Upon, she immediately started driving,

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Speaker 3: I mean towards Bakerfield and she was over halfway there

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Speaker 3: then had to drive for sixteen hours to Bakersfield, and

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Speaker 2: You told me you spent days and nights just driving around.

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Speaker 3: We thought they were in the woods. We thought they

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Speaker 2: How do you sleep without your daughter?

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Speaker 3: There's none, there's zero sleep.

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Speaker 2: If you could speak to Penny right now and she

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Speaker 3: Penny knows the truth, if she knows her dad and

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Speaker 3: her mom and her brother loves her, and she can

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Speaker 3: This just can't go on like this. It's it's we

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Speaker 3: Come home, you ron is just as you left it.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with me, mister Lyles, that until you

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Speaker 3: No. I don't think that mister Stockel should have anything

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Speaker 2: They're not going to come home as long as they

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Speaker 3: They don't think that they know better than that. This

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Speaker 3: So I don't have anything against mister Stockel. I just

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine she's supposed to come home from

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Speaker 3: It's difficult.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine not knowing where my daughter or my

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Speaker 2: You are hearing Ryan Lyles explaining much of what has

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Speaker 2: Your message to Penny.

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Speaker 3: Is what wherever you're at, just will come get you.

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Speaker 3: We'll get on airplane, come get you, come home, and

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Speaker 3: we'll continue on with life here. Gon'd be some hard decisions,

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Speaker 3: it has to be made, but we love you and

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Speaker 3: we're here for you to help you make them, and

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Speaker 2: Mister Lyles, thank you for joining us with me. Now

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Speaker 2: with her sweetheart, Jonathan Stockel. Penny, your father has told

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Speaker 2: if it were up to him alone, he would not

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Speaker 5: What's your response, Yeah, I'm doing everything in my power

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Speaker 2: Would you go back home? Would you go back home?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing everything to not go back home.

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Speaker 6: Why Because if I go back.

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Speaker 5: Home, he is going to do horrible things to me,

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Speaker 5: and I'm just going to live this miserable life. And

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Speaker 5: and he's just not going to tell me. He's just

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Speaker 2: When you say he your dad will do horrible things

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Speaker 5: Make It could be dragging me through the gravel by

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Speaker 5: It could just it could just be slapping me in

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Speaker 5: just absolutely bushing blood. It could be so many different things.

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Speaker 2: Have you been abused in the home, Yes, what happened.

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Speaker 5: Well for starters, One of his games would have us

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Speaker 5: time he picked my little brother up by hood and

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Speaker 5: who did it? He threatened to take us to Juvie.

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Speaker 5: And that's when he started dragging us to the car

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Speaker 2: Wait, who's sprayed hey with hairspray?

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Speaker 5: My older sister sprayed like the mirror in the bathroom

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Speaker 2: And you remember being dragged by your hair through gravel? Yes,

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Speaker 2: how old were you at that time?

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Speaker 5: Nine or ten.

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Speaker 2: Since that time, what abuse have you endured?

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Speaker 5: He doesn't do too much to me anymore, But now

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Speaker 5: He he makes me do weird things like sit on

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Speaker 5: and he'll go, wha.

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Speaker 2: Wha white white, white white what he.

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Speaker 5: Would He would make me sit on his lap sometimes,

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Speaker 5: and if I didn't un told him I was uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: He would just tell me that I didn't love him,

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Speaker 5: and then he proceeded to tell me about how much

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Speaker 5: a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: When did this occur?

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Speaker 5: I would say maybe a year ago. It was like

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Speaker 2: Where is your mom?

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Speaker 5: And all this just standing there by my dad not

438
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: really saying anything.

439
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: So between the incident when you were nine or ten

440
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: when you were dragged by your hair through gravel and

441
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: the incident where you are sitting in his lap and

442
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: he is discussing how much virgins are worth, was there

443
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: any a b and that was about a year ago?

444
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: Is there any abuse in between those five years?

445
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 6: Yeah?

446
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 5: They would just repeatedly smack me and just things like

447
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 5: I understand consequences for actions, but like being smacked is

448
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: one thing, but being like repeatedly hit is under you.

449
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: Mean hit in your face? Yes? Hit where else on

450
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: your body?

451
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: H my legs, my butt, my back, my arms for

452
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 5: what for?

453
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: What? Your hit for? What? What reason?

454
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: Just just anything like it's it could be really simple things.

455
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 5: It could be just I didn't under like if I

456
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: would if you told me to do something, and I

457
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 5: asked questions like that he thought were dumb about like

458
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 5: the instructions. He would just get mad and just lashed

459
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 5: out on everybody.

460
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 2: How often did this happen, Piani?

461
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 5: Probably every day?

462
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: Was it with an open hand or a fist or

463
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: an object all the above? What object about a book,

464
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: a plate.

465
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 5: A cup?

466
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: Tell me what happened the day that you and Jonathan

467
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: took off.

468
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 5: Well, my dad called me and he told me that

469
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 5: he found like I was using drugs on my sister's phone,

470
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 5: which is not true. I do not use drugs. And

471
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 5: my older sister, my older sister, she's done some things

472
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: that she has before, she has gotten into some drug use,

473
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 5: and it was on her phone that she was doing that.

474
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 5: But then he tried to say that it was me

475
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: and Jonathan were doing all this, and which it's just

476
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 5: not true. So then he told me that he was

477
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 5: just gonna make my life miserable and he was going

478
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: to beat Jonathan up and then send him home.

479
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: Now what I mean is this in text, no or verbal?

480
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 5: It was over the phone because I was at school, So.

481
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: He called you at school.

482
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so after that, I told Jonathan what was

483
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 5: going to happen, and we were scared, so I decided

484
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 5: to try to come forth again and with what he's

485
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 5: done to me, because I went to DHS in Missouri

486
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 5: and they didn't do anything.

487
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: When did that happen? You went to the Department of

488
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: Family Children Health Services?

489
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went through it by going to my school

490
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 5: counselor there and I told them and they got me

491
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: a DHS officer or whatever, and I had to have

492
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 5: an interview with them, and they interviewed me and my

493
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 5: older sister and my little brother, and with my parents

494
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: found out because DHS went to the house. They came

495
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 5: and pulled me my siblings out of school and we

496
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 5: had to sit at the house for the rest of

497
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 5: the day because my parents didn't want us talking to them.

498
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: And then what happened with that investigation, I have.

499
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: No idea the DHS when they went to my house.

500
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: My parents just told them to leave and they left

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 5: and I never heard anything again.

502
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: And how long were you at that time? Panning fifteen

503
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: fifteen one to five? Is that what she said?

504
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 7: Yeah?

505
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: Okay, that was in Missouri. Nothing became of it. What

506
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: was your day and mom's reaction to you getting in

507
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: touch with DHS, well, the school counselor.

508
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: They didn't know it was me. I tried to do

509
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 5: it all anonymous because I knew that if it didn't

510
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 5: do anything, and my parents knew that I had done that,

511
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: that things would just be awful.

512
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Threw me at my home And what did you tell DHS?

513
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: What did you tell the school counselor?

514
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: Well, I started off with that my dad is a

515
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 5: felon and has all these guns in the house, because

516
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 5: that's just right off the bat, just illegal. And then I.

517
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: Told them why leegal to have guns in the house.

518
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 5: Well, he has a hole safe of guns and they're

519
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: technically all of my mom's name, but he's used them

520
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: before and all this, so I.

521
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: Know that is a leap question. So you go to

522
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: the school counselor and you tell them about the guns.

523
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: What else did you tell them? At that time?

524
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 5: I told them just a brief about the abuse, because

525
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: I had to go do all my class and stuff

526
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 5: and I didn't want to waste all my time because

527
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 5: of school and everything like that, and I knew my

528
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 5: parents would do all that, and they had to go

529
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: talk to my little brother, and we were just on

530
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: like a timeframe for being at school for it to

531
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: remain anonymous. So I just give him like a brief

532
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: rundown of pretty much everything that's happened at my home

533
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 5: to me and my little brother and my sister.

534
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: Have you ever been sex abused?

535
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: Uh?

536
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: No, just weirdly sexual things, not like ray or anything

537
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 5: like that.

538
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: When you say weirdly sexual things, what happened?

539
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 5: Well, he would manage like my body weight, and he

540
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 5: when my boyfriend came to my house, he asked my

541
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: boyfriend why he got with me because I don't.

542
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: Have a good body, okay, And I just.

543
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 5: Was sitting on his lap and telling me about how

544
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: much virgins are worth. Those were just and he it's

545
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: just always just things about my weight, and he would

546
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: just shame me for it and just things like that.

547
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, aren't you five five, one hundred and twenty pounds?

548
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: I'm five six, probably like one ten.

549
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: Now, how are you living and eating and surviving?

550
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 7: Well?

551
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: Even though I'm a kid, I've had to live as

552
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: an adult. I have I'm very mature. I have a mindset.

553
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: I'm not dumb, that's for sure. And I've just been

554
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: getting along by the money that we already had, and

555
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: we've been doing jobs for people like breaking leaves and

556
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 5: we unloaded a U haul which we made one hundred

557
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 5: and sixty dollars from that.

558
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Time.

559
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace.

560
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: The day that you decided to go all the run

561
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: with Jonathan, I know you're saying your dad called you

562
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: at school and confronted you about possible drug use, which

563
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: you deny. You say he told you he was going

564
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: to make your wife miserable. So what did you decide

565
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: to do?

566
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: I decided to put an end to everything that's happened

567
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 5: to me. I've had enough. That was my last string,

568
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: and I want to live a normal life as a

569
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 5: normal teenager, and I never got that, so that is

570
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 5: what I'm pushing towards. So I told the counselor. The

571
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 5: counselor told me, let's go to the office. We'll get

572
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 5: the cops down here and everything. And the cops told

573
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 5: me when I was there, I showed them pictures and

574
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 5: things of abuse that he did to my sister because

575
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 5: he would like go through my phone all the time,

576
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: so it's really really hard for me to get evidence.

577
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: And he told me that if I had stuff on

578
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 5: my phone like that that he would just make everything

579
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: miserable and awful, and I don't really know what that

580
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: means like exactly, So I wasn't about to find out

581
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 5: what is.

582
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: The abase on your sister that you had on your phone.

583
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 5: My sister was standing up for herself because my parents

584
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: were just shaming her and down talking to her because

585
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: telling her that she's just never going to be anything

586
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: in her life and that she's just worthless. So my

587
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: sister was standing up for herself and my dad, and

588
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 5: she wanted to go downstairs to calm down. And my

589
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 5: sister is a very religious person, and so she finds

590
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 5: herself like calm down when she reads the Bible. So

591
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 5: she was going to go downstairs just to calm down

592
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 5: to her room to read the Bible, and my parents

593
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: proceeded to go downstairs attack my sister. My sister was

594
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: obviously not just couldn't let that happened, so she tried

595
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: to fight back a little bit, but then my dad

596
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: grabbed her, dragged her up the stairs, and put his

597
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 5: hand over her mouth, and she was screaming and like

598
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 5: she was saying that she couldn't breathe very well, and

599
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 5: my dad just wasn't listening and continued to drag her

600
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: upstairs and threw her on them floor and they just

601
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: they started screaming and yelling and watch the hitting was

602
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: going on.

603
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: With that, and you have a video of that.

604
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 5: I only have. I had my friend over at the time,

605
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 5: and we were just my dad wouldn't let me, like

606
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: let us come out of the room, so we were

607
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 5: just sitting in my room. So we took like videos

608
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: in my room so you can hear what's going on,

609
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: and you can hear my sister screaming and banging around.

610
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: And then we have pictures of like what she looked

611
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 5: like after What did she look like? Her face was

612
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 5: all beat up and puffy, and she had my dad's

613
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 5: hand marks all over her.

614
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

615
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 5: She her face was like it was bruised on her

616
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: cheek a little bit. You could see nail marks on

617
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 5: her arms.

618
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: So that day, when you decide to leave, why.

619
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 6: Did you the cops?

620
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: When I was there, they told me that for that

621
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 5: night I could find a safe spot to stay, like

622
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 5: at a friend's house. But then they proceeded that night

623
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: to hunt me down like I was a criminal, and

624
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: they told me that they were going to detain me

625
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 5: and that I should just go home get abused and

626
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 5: then come back.

627
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: Why would they want you to go home and get

628
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: abused and come back.

629
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: Because they told me that I just didn't have enough

630
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 5: evidence and that they couldn't do anything.

631
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: So what did you do?

632
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: I was gonna go stay at my friend's house for

633
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 5: the night, but then the cops were trying to come

634
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: to her house. So then that night I was just

635
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 5: hiding everywhere, laying down in bushes. At one point, the

636
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 5: cops and my dad were right next to me, and

637
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 5: I had to get up and run, and I managed

638
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 5: to get away where they didn't see me, and then

639
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: me and John. My dad had told Jonathan that he

640
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 5: was going to shoot him and kill him and send

641
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 5: him to jail and was just saying awful things. So

642
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 5: out of fear for both of us, we both decided

643
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 5: to leave and just drive away.

644
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: I understood that one of the school counselors told you

645
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: to slip out the back and you did.

646
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, that is one hundred percent true. But

647
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 5: the cop, the cops told like the school and everything

648
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 5: like they said, it was all okay. And when my

649
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 5: mom was at the school, Jonathan went outside to talk

650
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 5: to my mom, and my mom had said that my

651
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: dad hadn't done anything to me since I was nine,

652
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 5: which right in front of the cops, So that alone

653
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 5: should be enough.

654
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: You made the incident where you were dragged on gravel. Yeah,

655
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: so did you slip out the door? Pursue it? To

656
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: what the school counselor.

657
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 5: Said, I I slipped out the back door and I

658
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 5: got picked up on my friend. And I didn't think

659
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 5: that I would be doing everything that I am now,

660
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 5: of course, but I was planning on just at least.

661
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 5: I just need a new home, that's all. That's all

662
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: I was trying to do is find somewhere that I

663
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 5: can go.

664
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: When you say a friend picked you up, was it Jonathan?

665
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 5: No, Jonathan did not come with me.

666
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: When did you and Jonathan reunite?

667
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: When Jonathan told me that he was scared and that

668
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 5: my dad was chasing him through the woods and Jonathan

669
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 5: had lost his shoes and was running barefoot in the

670
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 5: woods and it was cold and everything like that, so

671
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 5: we came and me and my friend went and got him,

672
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 5: and then he because he was cold, freezing, terrified that

673
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 5: he was going to get shot or something by my dad.

674
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: How did that whole thing happen? How did it end

675
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: up that Jonathan. From what I understand, Jonathan says he

676
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: was running through the woods afraid he was going to

677
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: be shot. How did that whole thing happened?

678
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't there, but I'll let Jonathan tell you.

679
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Jonathan, how did that happen?

680
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 7: Okay? So, whenever I was making my way down to

681
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 7: my vehicle to leave the school and to just go

682
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 7: to a different town, away from Penny, away from Penny's

683
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 7: dad and everything, I was walking down to my car

684
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 7: with a group of people, and Penny's mom was sitting

685
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 7: down there, in which I was totally fine with Penny's

686
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 7: mom and everything. She's usually not too too bad, but

687
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 7: she usually holds a handgun on her. That's why I

688
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 7: had a group of people with me, just so it's safer.

689
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: Way who holds Oh, she has a handgun on her. Okay,

690
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: go ahead, yep.

691
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 7: And then as I was proceeding down to my vehicle,

692
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 7: then Ryan pulled up and they were surrounding my vehicle

693
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 7: and everything. And then when I was down there, Ryan

694
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 7: spotted me right right up the hill from where they

695
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 7: were at and he yelled that he was gonna shoot me.

696
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 7: I sprinted straight to the police officers which were behind

697
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 7: the school, because I just had talked to them and

698
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 7: they were behind the school, so I went and imported

699
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 7: them that Ryan said this, and then they went down

700
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 7: to Ryan and asked him if he said that, and

701
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 7: Ryan simply just said no. And then they were like, well,

702
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 7: Ryan's a no, And they searched Ryan and he didn't

703
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 7: have any handgun on him, but they did not search

704
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 7: a Jessica or anything. And Ryan usually has a pocket

705
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 7: knife on him and everything. And while while the police

706
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 7: were down there, then I went back towards that way

707
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 7: with my group of friends and everything, and Ryan spotted

708
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 7: me and he chased on somebody else. But as he

709
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 7: was chasing my friend down, as he thought it was me,

710
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 7: then he said you better run, motherfucker. I'm gonna get you.

711
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 7: And I ran to the forest and I was running

712
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 7: through creeks and everything, cold water, mud, you name it,

713
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 7: every everything, and then I heard a bunch of dogs barking.

714
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 7: And that's whenever I texted my mom that I was

715
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 7: scared because I thought that they had k nines after me,

716
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 7: and I was hiding out in a bush for a

717
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 7: long time. Penny was two towns over and I was

718
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 7: texting here. I was like, I'm freezing cold. I don't

719
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 7: know who the text. Can you guys please come pick

720
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 7: me up and at least bring me somewhere so that

721
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 7: I'm warm, And they come came and picked me up.

722
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 7: And whenever Penny I were together, then I tried to

723
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 7: escalate Ryan a little bit by texting him and everything,

724
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 7: but he's just uncom So was.

725
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: That the incident where you're running through the woods barefoot

726
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: and Penny's dad is chasing you with a gun. Were

727
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: you running through the woods barefoot?

728
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: Yes?

729
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: Where were your shoes?

730
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 7: It's somewhere by the school. I tried to find them

731
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 7: before I started running again while the police were down

732
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 7: with Ryan, but I couldn't find.

733
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: Why did you take your shoes off?

734
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 7: Whenever I first started running from Ryan, they just flew off.

735
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 3: I had hey dudes on Okay.

736
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: So was he in fact chasing you? Or do you

737
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: did you think that because you heard dog sparks?

738
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: Okay?

739
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: So he was going to proceed to chase me, but

740
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 7: he chased down one of my friends that were like

741
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 7: around the same, same hairstyle and everything. Okay, And he

742
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 7: also texted us how Ryan chased him down. So he

743
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 7: chased down the wrong person. So yes, he would have

744
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 7: chased me through the woods if he chased down their

745
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 7: correct person.

746
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so you thought he was chasing it and he

747
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: had really chased your friend. Yes, okay, got it. And

748
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: then hearing the dogs only exacerbated that thought in your

749
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: mind that you were being chased by him and you

750
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: feared he had a gun. Okay, I understand that. So

751
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: what happened Penny actually is apprehended by authorities, and then

752
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 2: somehow she doesn't want to go home, she doesn't want

753
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: you to be prosecuted, and she slips away by saying

754
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: she's going to the bathroom.

755
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 7: What happened whenever Penny and I got there, then she

756
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 7: was planning on going to one of her uncles, which

757
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 7: she barely knew, and from what I picked up about

758
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 7: him living out Penny's household, that he wasn't like the best,

759
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 7: best person. So then I told Penny that it wasn't

760
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 7: safe and everything, that it's just not like a good idea,

761
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 7: and Penny told me that like she was uncomfortable, way

762
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 7: before I even said anything about that tour and Penny

763
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 7: and I both went into the building and I told

764
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 7: the guy that Penny was going to the bathroom, and

765
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 7: then him and I went to his office and then

766
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 7: he went to the bathroom. And that's whenever I went

767
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 7: like tours the back door, but Penny was at the

768
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 7: back door, and then she was like, we need to leave.

769
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 7: I don't feel safe. I feel like I'm going to

770
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 7: go home. And then she opened up the door, ran

771
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 7: to my vehicle and she said, get me out of

772
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 7: here right now. And that's when ever we left Nevada.

773
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 7: We got out of Nevada and went to Arizona and

774
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 7: got out of Nevada.

775
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you where you are. I

776
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: told Penny's father, I don't know where you are, but

777
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: I do. Can Penny hear me right now? Okay, I

778
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: do want you to hear what her dad said. Her

779
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: dad is not on with us right now, but he

780
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: spoke to me earlier. Could you please play cut three?

781
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: Just come home, sweetheart, wherever you're at, just we'll come

782
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: get you. We'll get on an airplanes, come get you

783
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 3: and come home, and it we'll continue on his life.

784
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: There's gonna be some hard decisions that have to be made,

785
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: but we love you and we're here for you. To

786
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: help you make them and just come home. You got

787
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: to come home, sweetheart.

788
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: I believe that Peenie is concerned, Jonathan, that you're going

789
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: to be prosecuted. You turned eighteen and she's fifteen. I'm

790
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: not entirely sure that you could be protected under the

791
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: Romeo Juliet law because you guys ages are very close together.

792
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Lisa Herrick on that, but

793
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: I want you to hear Peenie what your dad says.

794
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: Income one. If you think you can get Pennie to

795
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: come home, if you ask for no charges, would you

796
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: do it? Penny? Sit tight, Jonathan, hold on. I want

797
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: you to hear from Lisa Herrick, a juvenile lawyer. Lisa,

798
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: would Romeo and Juliette statutes protect Jonathan from being prosecuted?

799
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 8: My understanding is yes, Nancy. Every Romeo and Juliette defense

800
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 8: that I've ever seen is usually within three years. Unless

801
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 8: I'm getting their birthdays wrong. It sounds like she was

802
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 8: already fifteen before he turned eighteen, so they would be

803
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 8: within three years of each other, and the Romeo and

804
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 8: Juliet laws should apply.

805
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: There will be no well, I'm not sure what there

806
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: will be, but there could be claims of statutory rape.

807
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: There could be claims of kidnapping. There could be claims

808
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: of taking a juvenile across state lines. Those are the

809
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: charges that I see now from my viewpoint. To prosecute

810
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: a rape charge, Penny would have to testify that sex occurred,

811
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: as far as a kidnapping or a transporting child across

812
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: state lines. That could be proven with or without Peni's

813
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: testimony that said a Romeo and Juliet Statute might still

814
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: protect him. Penny, if you thought Jonathan was not going

815
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: to be prosecuted, would you go back home.

816
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 5: I'm never going back to my home ever, not once,

817
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: and once I'm eighteen. I do not plan to speak

818
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 5: to my parents ever again with me.

819
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: Also is Wayne Stockhel. This is Jonathan's dad. Mister Stockhol,

820
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Mister Stockhel had a

821
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: long talk with Penny's dad, who says that he did

822
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: send those texts and that he wished she had never

823
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: done it. I'm sure he does wish she had never

824
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: done it. I feel that a big problem to resolving

825
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: this is everything that's happened between you and Penny's dad.

826
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to work together to I don't

827
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: know that she's ever going to go back to her parents' home.

828
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever going to happen. Would you

829
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: still be willing to work with him at this juncture?

830
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: Because they can't stay on the run forever. At some point,

831
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: Penny is going to be found.

832
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 9: I hope this all ends today. I hope that some

833
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 9: legal experts help these two kids. They were scared for

834
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 9: their lives. They're still I don't see how you can

835
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 9: be prosecuted when somebody's going to kill you and you run.

836
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 9: It just seems crazy. This is like a nightmare that's unbelievable.

837
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 9: Just help the kid.

838
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, I have to agree with you. I have to

839
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: agree with you. Jonathan is in fear of his life,

840
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: whether we think he was or he wasn't at the time.

841
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: If he's in fear of his life and a judge

842
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: is granted a protective order in your favor that goes

843
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: to corroborate his fear, it's not just him. Other people

844
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: are concerned as well. I just don't want to see

845
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: them throw away their lives, and in.

846
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 9: The end, if me too, I just want the whole

847
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 9: thing to know. They need to stop being on the

848
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 9: run today. This whole thing needs to end today.

849
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 2: Penny, would you be willing with a lawyer present for

850
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: you to speak to police.

851
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: The only thing is, out of everything I've told the police,

852
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 6: I just need a one hundred percent guarantee that I'm

853
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 6: not going back to my god awful homes.

854
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 2: Because Barry Golden joining me Senior Inspector US Marshall survey

855
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: now at Golden consulting Mary A us Marshall. They're going

856
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: to find Penny and Jonathan. It's a matter of time,

857
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: and I don't want them to pull a full on

858
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet where they both end up dead. They're

859
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: gonna be found. So can you explain to Penny and

860
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: Jonathan it may be today. I'm not revealing anything I know,

861
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: we don't know anything. We don't know where they are.

862
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: But one day, it could be today, next week, next month.

863
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: They are going to find them, and the only thing

864
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: they can do right now is to cooperate because once

865
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: they get found and carted off to two different facilities,

866
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: it's going to be out of their control. At least

867
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: maybe now, with the help of a lawyer, it can

868
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: be sorted out. Do you agree with that, Barry Golden.

869
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 10: Yes, I do, Nancy, and you know, and Penny's assistance

870
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 10: and defense. She could also use the guardian that light

871
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 10: them in Oregon to help fight her case, to speak

872
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 10: for her there. But yes, the longer this plays out,

873
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 10: you don't want the police and law enforcement in Oregon

874
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 10: to be frustrated and pushed to the point where they

875
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 10: issue a warrant for Jonathan, because then if they're stopped

876
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 10: again like they were in Nevada last Friday, the police

877
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 10: aren't just going to let Jonathan go. It may take

878
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 10: him into custody. And that's what we don't want. We

879
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 10: don't want them to be separated. We don't want Penny

880
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 10: to be visiting Jonathan in a jail cell or talking

881
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 10: to him through flexiglass on the phone. We want this

882
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 10: to be a happy ending and not a sad one.

883
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: But Lisa, do you hear with me, attorney Lisa Herrett

884
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: who's juvenile lawyer? I know you hear, Barry Golden, Lisa,

885
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: what can they do? Look, this is what they want.

886
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: Both parents want them home safe, both parents, that's what

887
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: They'm safe. I don't know if they're ever going to

888
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: be at home again. But that said, Penny does not

889
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: want Jonathan prosecuted. She's not giving up until there's some

890
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: assurance that's not going to happen. Now here's the thing.

891
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: It's not going to be up to Jonathan's family, is

892
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 2: not going to be up to Penny's family. It's going

893
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: to be a prosecutor that makes that decision.

894
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 8: What can they do exactly, so it is going to

895
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 8: be a prosecutor who makes that decision. What they want

896
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 8: to do is not give a prosecutor any reason to

897
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 8: find them less sympathetic. They're very sympathetic right now. They're

898
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 8: a young couple in love. They're fearful. It sounds like

899
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 8: Penny has She's able to articulate very good reasons for

900
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 8: why she's fearful. What we don't want to do is

901
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 8: have them continue to run where now the police and

902
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 8: the prosecutors think they're their only option is to pursue

903
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 8: criminal charges, because that's the only way to get them

904
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 8: to come back, is to arrest them. That's the only

905
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 8: way to ensure that they're not going to run away again.

906
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: Penny, way in, do you fear that you will be

907
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: harmed if you go home?

908
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,959
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm doing everything i can to not go home.

909
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 5: If I come back, I need if I come out

910
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 5: from running, I need one hundred percent guarantee that I'm

911
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 5: not going home, and if I get put back home,

912
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 5: I will just leave again.

913
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: Blaize Gomez joining me from News twelve Blaze. Do you

914
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: believe that there are charges already in the works against.

915
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 5: Jonathan Well that we don't know?

916
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we've not heard from authorities in Oregon. We've reached

917
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 4: out multiple times. The only contact we've had with law

918
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: enforcement is the nine County Sheriff's Office in Nevada. They

919
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 4: were the departments that made contact with them over the

920
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 4: weekend when Penny escaped from child welfare.

921
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: Right So, as of right now out no knowledge of

922
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: any pending charges. Doctor Bethany Marshall with me Psychoanalysts joining

923
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: us at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany quickly, what is

924
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: your advice to Penny and what is your advice to Jonathan?

925
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: My advice to them is to find adults in their

926
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 3: lives who believe them, who can provide a safe place

927
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: for them, who can validate what they've gone through. They've

928
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 3: gone through a lot.

929
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 5: They know the people who are safe versus the people

930
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 5: who are not safe.

931
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 9: The Oregon Please said, anybody helps them, they will be prosecuting.

932
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you one person they wouldn't prosecute,

933
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 2: and that's a lawyer. All right. Yes, this is how

934
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: I see and anybody on the palel jump in. Both

935
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: parents want them safe. They don't want them quote out there.

936
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: That's the number one concern.

937
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: My dad wants me to come home to sweep the

938
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 5: floors for him. He does not want me safe. He

939
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 5: wants me to come home so he can sit there

940
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 5: and tell me how worthless I am for me to

941
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: just clean his house and cook his suit.

942
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: Number two. I believe Penny will not come home until

943
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: she believes that Jonathan is not going to be prosecuted,

944
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 2: and that will That will depend entirely on her testimony

945
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: to Lisa Herrick. Isn't it true if even though she's

946
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: a miner, if Penny went willingly anywhere, that's not going

947
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: to be kidnapped.

948
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 8: Well, so she's since she's underage, she doesn't have the

949
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 8: right to run away. She's still a child, and true,

950
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 8: she doesn't have the right to run away.

951
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: So I guess let me rephrase my question, Lisa, do

952
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: you believe any jury would ever convict if Penny went willingly,

953
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 2: absolutely not.

954
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 8: I can't see it.

955
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: With her boyfriend.

956
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we're both running for our lives. We're not

957
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 7: just runaways, we're not just missing people. We're not just

958
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 7: your casual Oh. We're running away because we love each other.

959
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 7: I mean, if we are separated, we're separated, that's fine.

960
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 7: But if one of us gets separated and then a

961
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 7: week from now one of us are dead, then that's

962
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 7: totally different type of separation. That's never going to be

963
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 7: able to see each other again because one of us

964
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 7: are dead, and then from us not fighting enough running away,

965
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 7: then we're gonna be at guilt. One of us, Penny

966
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 7: or I am are gonna be at guilt. One of

967
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 7: us will be abused or dead or killed or harmed severely.

968
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 2: That is exactly what we don't want to happen. I'm

969
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: looking forward to how we can fix this. The only

970
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: way that I can think of how to fix this

971
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: now is for Penny and Jonathan to speak to a

972
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: lawyer in that jurisdiction. They can give them some sort

973
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 2: of guidance. You don't want them picked up by law

974
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: enforcement and put into different juvenile correction facilities and a

975
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: full on adult facility with general population. For Jonathan, you

976
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: need to work this out before that happens. They have

977
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: to turn themselves in or that's what's gonna happen. So

978
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: what you need is a lawyer to guide you to

979
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 2: protect them. I'm gonna find you one, but for right now,

980
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: I know that Penny and Jonathan are in touch with you. Wayne,

981
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 2: one way or the other. You've got to help them

982
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: see a lawyer. I'm gonna help you find one. Penny, Jonathan,

983
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: please consider what we have said. I know, Penny you

984
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: never want to go back home. I understand that no

985
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: one's saying you have to, but you cannot be on

986
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 2: the run the rest of your life. To Wayne, to Penny,

987
00:54:55,520 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: and to Jonathan, our prayers and our guidance or what

988
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: we're offering you now. We wait as the sun falls