1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Unbreakable mental health podcast with Jay Glazier 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: and our guest today is an unbelievable human being. A 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: story fantastic and he really epitomizes the type of guy 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: who isn't a victim by what's happened to him. Instead, 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: he's using his own experience as an adversity to turn 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 2: around and help teach others, which what we all need 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: to do. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: But I think in. 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: Today's day and age, where it's an even harder day, 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: stories like this are even more valuable. 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: Before I get to him. 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 2: If you're like many people, you may be surprised to 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: learn that one in five adults in this country experienced 17 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: mental illness last year. I'm definitely one of them. You're 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: far too many failed to receive the support they need. 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 4: Carolen. 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: Behavioral health is doing something about it. 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: They understand that behavioral health is a key part of 22 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, so emotional, 23 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: and social needs in tandem. Carolyn, behavioral health raising the 24 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: quality of life through empathy and action. 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 3: With that, I want to. 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Welcome in Michael or you guys may know him his 27 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: story from the blind Side. 28 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: He's won a super Bowl first round pick. 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: He's played for years and years, and now he actually 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 2: just came out with the second book as well. 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: How are you the guy? 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 4: Well, great, Jakey, appreciate you having me on. 33 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: Hey before I get into your new book. You have 34 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: a rough story growing up. What's it like watching it 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: played by other people on TV? 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 4: Well, I've always been a movie guy, even before The 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: Blindside came out. But you know, for me, it was 38 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: kind of funny. It wasn't that big of a deal 39 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 4: because I knew how how much more pain and how 40 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: rough of a story and the things that I actually 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: went through that you couldn't get you You weren't gonna 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 4: feel the amount of things that I went through in 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: that movie. I understood that right off the bat, you know, 44 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 4: from from watching the movie the first time I saw it. 45 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: So no, I didn't. 46 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 4: I didn't look at it as a bigger deal as 47 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: everybody else did, because I knew whoever saw that wasn't 48 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: gonna understand who I was and what I actually went through. 49 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: What were there some of the things that were more 50 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: difficult that maybe weren't in the movie that you actually 51 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: had overcome. 52 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I would say, you know, 53 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: from the ages of three to twelve years old, I 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: was on the streets, I was in shelters, I was 55 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: in foster care, and I from eleven to twelve, I 56 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: lived a year and a half on the streets by myself, 57 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 4: running from the authorities after I ran away from the 58 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 4: from foster care foster home that I was living in. 59 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: So you know, from your first memory being homeless and 60 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 4: just having to survive and go through all of that 61 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: from three to twelve years old, And people don't understand 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: that that actual three lights times that you've lived already 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: and where you are mentally at that stage, you're already 64 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 4: thinking on the streets as an adult. So from the 65 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: point to going to college and NFL everything like that, 66 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 4: that's a bonus. But when you're eighteen, you know, coming 67 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 4: from where I came from, you know, you're just happy 68 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: to be alive and surviving. 69 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: Around that time, three to twelve, wats is when you're 70 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: supposed to learn from like your mom and dad. 71 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 3: You know, those years had to become a young man 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: to becoming a man, and you didn't have that. What 73 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: did you take from what you did learn those years 74 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 3: for you now to teach your owsom man. 75 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: I really learned what not to be and what not 76 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: to do, just do the total opposite. I learned to 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: basically whatever everything that I wanted in a father, in 78 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 4: a family. That's what I'm doing now being there every day. 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: I hate when I have to go off to another 80 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 4: city or stay to leave the house. You know, implementing 81 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: what are work truly is what it's like to you know, 82 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: half character, what not to be and you know how 83 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 4: to go out here and be a law abouting citizen 84 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: and just not to be a statistic and do the 85 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: right thing every day and to go out and chase greatness. 86 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 4: So you know, I mean, it's it's something that I 87 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 4: can't explain. I try not to talk about too much 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: because that's the last thing that I have. You know, 89 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 4: everybody think that they know who I am. That's all 90 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: I have left for me. But being a feminine man 91 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 4: of fathers everything to me, it's nothing. It's not a joke, 92 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: and you know, it's just something that everybody should do 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: and go through. 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 3: Now listen, I think because what you went through. 95 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: Listen, our scars make us who we are, right, Forget 96 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: the accolades, forget all the other shit. 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: Like I never walked in a room and be like, yeah, man, 98 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep you all a fan. I don't do 99 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: that yet. I walk in the room like, man, I've 100 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: had seven back. 101 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: Procedures because of fighting, and you know, got my gleango 102 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: broke twice and my another seven times. 103 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: And this cut off, like my scar or something. 104 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: I could always hang my hat on to make me 105 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: special and different the rest of the room out there. 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: Can you do the same thing? Can you look at it? 107 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: Because because I know you have some look, you're gonna 108 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: have some anger and animosity built up and whatnot. Could 109 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: you now switch it and be like, no, this is 110 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: what that's my currency. My scars are my currency. 111 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: Man, I say that all the time. It's nothing better nobody. 112 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 4: I mean what, I wouldn't have a story if I 113 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: didn't go through the things that I went through. So 114 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: who in the heck wants to I don't want to 115 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: go to a I don't want to go through all this, 116 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: go through nothing and be successful. I mean, what we 117 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: got to talk about you know, we need to we 118 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: need to be I like to be one with you. 119 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: I like to talk about man, you know, all the 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 4: battles and the homeless, nice to starve and the change 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 4: in the mindset where you're you're about to go down 122 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: one path and you go down another. You got saved 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 4: right here because someone helped me out. So you know, 124 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: that's what I like, And that's I love being around 125 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 4: people who are tougher, smarter, better shape because I know 126 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 4: I can be me, because I like, I've been through 127 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: so many struggles. I know that I can but just 128 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 4: be me now, you know, and I've been through the works. 129 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: I've been through everything that you can imagine. So I 130 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 4: just I like being around those type of people man, 131 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: where I can just men, I can just be just 132 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: be me, happy about just being around just positivity. So 133 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 4: you know, I love it. 134 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: So a guy like me, dude, my mental health issues 135 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: will always tell me I don't deserve shit, Like I'm 136 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: not deserving anything, you know, So when good things tend 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: to happen to me, I tend to either sabotage them 138 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: or run away from them. I'm not like that anymore 139 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: because the work I've done on myself or years ago, 140 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: that's what. 141 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 3: I would done. 142 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: I pushed every girl ever had away from me until 143 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: a beautiful woman i'm with now. When that happened with 144 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: you and your high school coaches of coaches wife brought 145 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 2: you in, were you able to receive it and be like, oh, yes, 146 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 2: yes I deserve. 147 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 4: It, or were you like I don't know about this 148 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: right here now, I've never Man, it's I hate being. 149 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a tough world of being. 150 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: I hated you, I really hate it for I don't 151 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: know who I hated for me. 152 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 153 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 4: Man, when you've been like I said, you wouldn't do 154 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 4: so much, been in the street for so long, you 155 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 4: I guess you're expecting it not to be true at 156 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 4: those times or it's gonna end here pretty soon. Man, 157 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: That's that's tough. It's just like winning the super Bowl, 158 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 4: not being able to celebrate fully like a person that's 159 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: thinking normally normal would celebrate. Uh. Not, Man, so many 160 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: achievements you really don't feel feel it because it's almost 161 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: like you're numb and uh something you can't heal from 162 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 4: you just uh, I think you see the joy and 163 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 4: everybody else and you try to. For me, I try 164 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 4: to live the joy that people are giving me. I 165 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: try to live through that joy through seeing them happy. 166 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 3: But no, I don't. 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: When you took so many losses, you feel so much 168 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: and you just like birthdays, Christmas, gift everything like that. 169 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: It's just I like seeing everybody else. 170 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 3: Happen for me. You have faith in your life now. 171 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 4: Most definitely are you saying faith in what faith in? Uh? 172 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: Just faith in your life? Like man, I deserve good ship, now, 173 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: you know, I've always Man, that's a hard question, right, I. 174 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: Think we all deserve something. What I think I'm I 175 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: don't know. I'm gonna just keep working man towards something. 176 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 4: I don't care what that is. And I've never quite 177 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: knew the journey that I was going on. So I 178 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: think for me, I've always wanted to be humble. I've 179 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 4: always tried to. You know, I feel that you're afraid 180 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: you're gonna jacent. You just hit it on the head 181 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 4: and you felt when you failed so much, like I said, 182 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 4: when you failed and constantly failed, and when you think 183 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 4: you reached the pinnacle and you're still on the other 184 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 4: side of that failure because of the negativity and people 185 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 4: judging you, misunderstanding you, and you wishing for other things. 186 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 4: So I just let it happen. I just let things happen. 187 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 4: And that works for me, you know. I just keep 188 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: working for a keep working until something happened, you know. 189 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: If not, I'm just keep going. But if it doesn't, 190 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: you know, I don't. I don't feel that I don't 191 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: want to mess it up. 192 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: I used to be in the same way, and I 193 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: always think, man, I don't want to jinx it. I'm 194 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: not going to do this. 195 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: And then one day, man, it's like I got an epiphany, Like, man, 196 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: the universe conspires. 197 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: To help us in against us. 198 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: And once I started kind of believing that I was 199 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: able to I think things are right in front of 200 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: my face that I hadn't been able to see before. 201 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 3: Now I can see him. 202 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: And it's also like I don't want to live in fear, 203 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: so we start living in faith not fear. 204 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: That's a much better way for us to live. 205 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: I gotta start using that that faith. Uh, you know, fear. 206 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 4: I think what drove me all my life is fear. 207 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 4: That's I want to go back and I want to 208 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: feel I want to see everybody else succeed and not fail. 209 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: So I think that that's what I I'm driven by fear, 210 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: running away from things. Faith that's a that's a hell 211 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: of a thing too, right there. When I preak, I'm 212 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: a big energy person. Yeah, I love energy, pray a 213 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: lot of energy is everything to me. And I think 214 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: I've always given out great energy and always been positive 215 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: and won't ever. I'm a big cheerleader of people, and 216 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: like I said, every everybody else's success is that's success 217 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 4: to me. But uh, you know with the energy, energy 218 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 4: is everything for you. 219 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: Interest I'll tell you something else. I don't want to 220 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: just be like therapy session, but you know you gotta 221 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: share with your teammates, right. But something that really helped 222 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 2: me man I was out in Thailand last year, went 223 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: for thirty five days for this mind body spirit thing. 224 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: Fought moy Thai in a jungles for thirty five days. 225 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: That was a hat all like anti inflammatory foods. 226 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: But I work with these monks. 227 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: We're like our therapists, but they just come at a 228 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 2: different angle and they're like, hey, we don't want you 229 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: to talk for anybody, anybody for like three day, all right, 230 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: three days I got adhd I can't not talk to anybody. 231 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,479 Speaker 3: For three days. That's painful, right. 232 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: And they're like, what we want you to do is 233 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: for three days, we just want you to sit in 234 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: your own pain. And I said, I sit in my 235 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 2: pain every day. I said, no, you experience your pain 236 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 2: every day. We want you to sit in that pain. 237 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: And said, what do you call yourself? 238 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: Growing up? Was it Jaday? I said no, it was Jason. 239 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: I want by Jason. So we want you to. 240 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: Sit in your pain and hold little Jason's hand, just 241 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: show him some compassion because he probably never felt like 242 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: you had it, and he was always on the run, 243 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: and just love him up, like, just love him up. 244 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: And man, I did that for three days. Brother, it 245 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: was and I still do. Like every day I'll go out, 246 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: I'll lay on my couch out here, I'll meditate. 247 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: I'll start look at a little Jason. I put my 248 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 3: arm around him. I'm like, hey, it's gonna be all right. 249 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: So that want to be something I could you can 250 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: benefit from. 251 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: Man, that's great stuff. 252 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: Right. 253 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 4: Every day I sit in the sun. I sit in 254 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 4: the sun every day. So I mean it's thirty forty 255 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 4: five to hours, nothing like three days. But that's that's 256 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 4: a help of a thing. Something I definitely looking uh, 257 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: the trauma, the trauma that you go through, I mean, 258 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: it never goes away mentally, it's always there. And I 259 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: think for me and for a lot of people who's 260 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: running from the past or if they've been through all 261 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 4: these struggles, that's what's stopping you from reaching that pinnacle 262 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 4: and chasing greatness because you can't get over the fact 263 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 4: that you didn't have anybody there to hold your hand, 264 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: the whole little Jacent's hand, the whole Little Michael's hand, 265 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: to show them away. So you're you're you're pissed off, 266 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: you're angry still. You know, a bunch of people, even 267 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: if it could be you, the person that you've become now, 268 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: you should have been there for little Michael, for little Mike. So, man, 269 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: that's a great thing and it's something a lot of 270 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: people can benefit from. 271 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 3: Start doing it. 272 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 4: Gonna put that. 273 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: Into arsen he's got, he's got. You got to heal 274 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: him because he deserves it. And then you know your 275 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: warrior Michael to be like, hey, I got you now, 276 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: nothing else is gonna happen. 277 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: Ever again, I go, Warrior j got you, dude, We're 278 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: good I got you. And when I start feeling myself 279 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: go off the reservation. 280 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes I go off to the sign outside and I 281 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: start doing I just start taking care of him and going, oh, 282 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: he's the one that's that hurt right now, are gonna 283 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: do take care of him? 284 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: And I don't know how long that's gonna be in 285 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: my life, but definitely helps me. 286 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 4: Man. 287 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 3: I think it could help you a lot down. 288 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 4: No, I definitely will help. I think it'll be it'll 289 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 4: be around forever, because I mean, you living a life, 290 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 4: you live in life. You pissed off. I've been pissed 291 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 4: off for a long time. You know, you put it 292 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: away here? 293 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: How do we get you not to be pissed off? Man? 294 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: Better existence? Right? How do we get you not to 295 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: be pissed anymore? 296 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 4: It's it's there what you said, right there, it's uh 297 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 4: doing away with those damons and those those paths that 298 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 4: passed trauma right there, man, and moving on. And you 299 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: got to understand too. For me, it's bigger than you 300 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: people who are going through still. You went through all. 301 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: I went through everything that I went through and basically 302 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 4: came out on the other side. Not a lot of 303 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: people are gonna come out on the other side. So 304 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 4: for me what I think now, So I'm doing it 305 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 4: for everybody behind, everybody who doesn't have that fight to 306 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 4: look at whatever you're going through in the eye and say, hey, 307 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: I'm about to knock you, you know, on your anus and 308 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 4: you know, push you where you can't get them anymore. 309 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: So I think that's the biggest thing, man, is inspiring 310 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 4: that next generation and the people who can't do it. 311 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: But that's why you got to do it, not in 312 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: a pissed off way, because yeah, you got to look 313 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: at yourself down and go, man, I can't help all 314 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: these all these kids. You're being of service. You're doing 315 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: such great things, way grand than any super Bowl you 316 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: could have wont to do. He close, right. 317 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 3: People get lucky you on the team they win the 318 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: super Bowl, but they can't do. 319 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: The stuff that you're doing. Now your story, how many 320 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: other people can help out. I want that to empower you, man, 321 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: I want that to get you to start moving forward. 322 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: Every day. Go talk my life is great. 323 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: Now I get to do this and help kid and 324 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: help that person, help that family that the life will lift. 325 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: You just hit it on the head right there. When 326 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 4: when I was going through everything that I was going 327 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: through mentally trying to come back from it because of 328 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: being the president, you know, going through all these things, 329 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: and I mean, you got everything that you ever wanted. 330 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: You you're living in this huge house, you got all 331 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: the money, just everything, and you're wondering what's going on, 332 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 4: and you come out the dumps, you come out those 333 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 4: you come out that dark place because for me it 334 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: was Man, it's bigger than you. It's not even about 335 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: you anymore. It's about what you just said. It's about 336 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: so many of these other people who can't do it. 337 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: And you're playing a game bigger than football. 338 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: You know that. 339 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: That's why you have a sense of duty because you 340 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: were given this platform for a reason nobody could. And 341 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 4: you don't have anybody that go to graduate high school. 342 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: You don't have anybody that's going to work every day. 343 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 4: You don't have anybody that's positive anything in your life. 344 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: But you're at eleven, twelve years old, You're going to 345 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 4: school on your own, you're getting a job on your own. 346 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: You're mean life halfway and trying to get to a 347 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 4: point of being successful because the high power news is 348 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: bigger than you. And that's what you know what you 349 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: just said, looking back and understanding that you have a 350 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: sense of duty and you can't give up mentally, physically, 351 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: you gotta become You gotta keep chasing graveness. And that's 352 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: and that's everything. Man, It's bigger than the game. It's 353 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: not a game. It's life. 354 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: And then do you are beloved? 355 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: It's just not by what we grew up thinking we're 356 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: gonna be loved by mom and don the brother. It's 357 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: just you're so beloved that you need to see you 358 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: got you gotta give yourself a break. It fill you up, man. 359 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: That will be much better. Just the better you are here, 360 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: the more people you can help. Right, the less we're 361 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: fighting with ourselves, the less energy. You know, it'll free 362 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: up energy for us to help other people. That's great stuff. 363 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: That's great stuff. 364 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: And it's some, uh, it's some Like I said, you 365 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 4: can't you've been programmed. You get programmed. And you know 366 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: it's another topic. It's another some other stuff that I 367 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 4: like catting to myself, but you can't for me. It's 368 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: hard to accept when you've been you know, in this struggle, 369 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 4: you've been told that you can't, you've been told that 370 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 4: you won't for so long and it's hard to accept. 371 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 4: It goes back to that, but you did You did 372 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: it exactly exactly. 373 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: The fuck what they said. 374 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 4: You did it one hundred percent of loving yourself up 375 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: for that one hundred percent correct. Man, You've got to 376 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 4: give a phrase and that's and that's a part of 377 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 4: breaking up, breaking that barrier, going toward greatness. So yeah, 378 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 4: it's something I'm definitely definitely be moving forward now. 379 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: People want to love. 380 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: You up, man, let them love you up, right, let 381 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: them love you up. It's way better to be walking 382 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: this walk with people. And I know it's probably real 383 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: hard for you to trust people, but man, it's you know, 384 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: you know you will be alone if you definitely don't 385 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: let them in. If you let people love you up, 386 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 2: maybe there's a chance you won't be along right and 387 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: we'll have a bigger team. 388 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 4: I mean, the team is everything. You're not the worst thing. 389 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: Your circle, Man, you gotta get a new circle. 390 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: You can keep. 391 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 4: You can keep the same people. The circle that you 392 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: confine then needs to grow a little bit. But you 393 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 4: know you're hitting it on it. You can't continue to 394 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: fight the love and the positivity, man, it holds you back. 395 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 4: So I think we all can be great at that 396 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: and you know, get the word we want to be. 397 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 4: So it's definitely something we all can work on an 398 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: hour for sure. 399 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: What was your favorite thing about playing in the league. 400 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 4: I think everybody says for me, it just goes back 401 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 4: to it goes down to the locker room. That and 402 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 4: not even that. You can just be yourself. You know 403 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 4: in football you got a bunch of monsters, man and 404 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 4: a bunch of men. You know, I've always been a 405 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 4: leader of men, and you can be yourself. You don't 406 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 4: have to put on and nobody you when someone's looking 407 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: at the foot. In college, you have to you have 408 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 4: looking at the Scallet report. You have to look at pictures. 409 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: You have to look at these monsters on the Scallet report. 410 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 4: In the NFL, you have to look at these monsters 411 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: and then you have to go run them, run them 412 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 4: over on Saturdays and Sundays. So it was no egos. 413 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: It was no time to. 414 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 4: Uh, who's who's the most popular? Everybody in that locker room. 415 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 4: Everyone every man is himself and you can be comfortable. 416 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: You can get joked on. You can, you know you can, 417 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: you can just tell you can. Everybody is chasing that 418 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 4: one thing. Everybody's chasing the championship. But outside the locker room, 419 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 4: you know, being things, you people go their separate paths. 420 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: But you know, inside the locker room, man, it's you're 421 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 4: talking about personalities that you don't see in the public 422 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: and just people just uh being themselves. 423 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: And all problems all solved. 424 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 4: And it's so many it's so many misunderstood people that's 425 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: in that lock the room that you you won't even 426 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: recognize and they can be themselves because everybody else is 427 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 4: telling them that what they aren't. So you know, that's 428 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: one thing that. 429 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: I always say, if the rest of the world acted 430 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: like an NFL locker room, we won't have so many problems. 431 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: Like it's the only place you canna have a big. 432 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: Fat, white racist lineman being the best man of the 433 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: young thuck black guy's wedding, right. 434 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: No one, ain't nobody, races, ain't nobody everybody's you won't 435 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: show it. I can tell you that. 436 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: There's color you care about, that's silver, that rid, that trophy, 437 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 2: that is it and being a good person. 438 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 4: You know, that locker room will turn you into a 439 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 4: hell of a guy too, So it'll bring out all 440 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 4: your great traits and qualities. 441 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: You can't be selfish in the locker room. You got 442 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: to be behold on your brother and right left. 443 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: That's it right there. So that that's one of the Uh, 444 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 4: that's one of the things I missed more than anything. 445 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: I had started charity years ago called MVP Merging Vessent Players. 446 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 3: We're same thing. 447 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: I was taking football players and putting together a combat 448 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: that's for when the uniform came off. 449 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 3: Because losing that locker room sucks. I know it's the 450 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: I know they do different jobs, but the loss of 451 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: the locker room is the same suck for both. 452 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: So I'm like, hey, let's put them together, train together, 453 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: and have these mental health talks together. 454 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 3: We're now in eight cities in eight years, and I'm 455 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: really proud of. 456 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 4: It, guys and nas. 457 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: Proud of We're not Nashville yet, but we're on Zoom 458 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: each week. Also look it up, but that's some players 459 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: dot Org. 460 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: I'll check it out. 461 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're definitely experiense pretty cool. 462 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 4: You know, football, especially in the NFL, is not about physical. 463 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: It's not about physically at all. There's all of them. 464 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 4: That's what I tell people every day. You from six 465 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 4: to six man you got to be locked in mixley 466 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: every single sacking, and the ones who can do that 467 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 4: the best, those are the ones who last the lungs. 468 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 4: And I think it holds true when you're done playing football, 469 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 4: it's PDSD as well because of the mental everything you 470 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 4: had to go through mintically every day. 471 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 5: Man, you know, definitely aligned. So yeah, I got a 472 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 5: couple more questions. I let you go, But what was 473 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 5: the coolest thing? And when you talk about your new book, 474 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 5: what was the coolest thing when the movie came out? 475 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: Like your coolest experience from it? 476 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: The coolest experience, man, I probably you know, having a 477 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: movie made about you. I think for the most part, 478 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: a lot of the times, the person that plays in 479 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: the movie looks a lot better than the real character. 480 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if that was the case this time. 481 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was about on the scale of one to team, 482 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: about a five or six, man, I instantly went up 483 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 4: to about nineteen once it came out. The difference right 484 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 4: there was tremendous. 485 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: But did you have any good stories of being on 486 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: any of the red carpets? We're like, holy fuck, this 487 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: person's here. 488 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I didn't go. I didn't 489 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 4: go to any red cars. I didn't go to. I've 490 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 4: never met Sandra Bullock. I've never met Tim McGrath, I've 491 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 4: never met any I met the actor who played not 492 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 4: he came to a game. I mean, that's a that's 493 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 4: another story for us. But in my mind, my head 494 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 4: was in the game. Man, I'm gonna come back and 495 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: share it with you in a few months and we'll 496 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 4: we'll we'll talk a little bit more openly. 497 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: But uh, my friend was your producer. Molly Smith was 498 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: a producer. Okay, yeah, her brother is the head coach 499 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: of the Falcons right now. 500 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Colin's Collins, the sister. Yeah he's married the author's brother. 501 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yeah, great family. Yeah. 502 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, my head was in the game. My head was 503 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 4: in the game. I was locked in. Football was what 504 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: got me to where I wanted to be in where 505 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: I thought I wanted to be in life. So I 506 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: had to be locked in man. 507 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: Interesting, all right, tell me about your new book you 508 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 3: got coming out. 509 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: When You're Backs against the Wall. It's it's a continuation 510 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 4: from my last book, I Beat the Odds. It's picking 511 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 4: up where I last left off with the with I 512 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: Beat the Odds, and where I am right now with 513 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: my foundation and coming back from what we're talking about now, 514 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: Mimi help depression and dealing with life's obstacles. 515 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: Man. 516 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 4: And when people say, how can we fix poverty? How 517 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 4: can we fix everything that's going on in the world, 518 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: and people who are the people who don't want to 519 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: be greater and just want hand doubts, And what I 520 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 4: tell those people is, you have to fix yourself first, 521 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: and you have to heal yourself first into before someone's 522 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: fut before you can meet someone else halfway, and we 523 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: can fix this thing as a whole. And you know, 524 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: for me, it's looking yourself in the mirror and understanding 525 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 4: that every answer you won't if you want to be successful, great, 526 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: whatever you want to be, is in that mirror. And 527 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 4: for me, I won't gonna blame anyone. I won't gonna 528 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 4: blame anyone for me being homeless as a kid or starving. 529 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: So I looked myself in the mirror and said, hey, 530 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 4: you got all the tools, and you from the time 531 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 4: you're six years old, you understand. I understood once I 532 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: touched that fire that it was hot, so I knew 533 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 4: right from wrong then. So it's just a it's a 534 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 4: continuation on that and what I'm wrong with my foundation 535 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: and then you know, helping disadvantage youth. Man. So uh, 536 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: that's mentally. Not a lot of people can get through 537 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 4: these hurdles, and I was fortunately, unfortunately, I was one 538 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 4: of the ones who could. So just trying to give 539 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 4: them a playbook on on this life, on this thing 540 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 4: called life. Telling the name again, when your backs against 541 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 4: the wall. 542 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 3: When your backs against the wall, all right, love it? Uh, 543 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: last two things. So it's funny you and I had 544 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: a DM exchange right a couple of months ago. 545 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, where the fuck is this coming from? So 546 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: we kind of got into it a little bit, and 547 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 2: I want you to know from all this now you 548 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: can see like, man, don't let the roommates in your head. 549 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 4: Don't believe what they tell you. 550 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: You know I do too all the time. 551 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: Man, I'm thinking like this motherfucker's angry at me, and 552 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: I started telling these stories that aren't real. 553 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 3: And a lot of people love you, so. 554 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: I will know I appreciate that. 555 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 556 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: No I knew, no, I knew you were a hard 557 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: ass and your tough guy. Man. Uh, but you know 558 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 4: it's for me, you know, when you've been misunderstood. I'm 559 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 4: trying You're gonna One thing I got is my name. 560 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 4: I'm trying to defend. And I know you're a tough, 561 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: hard ass guy. Hey, I'm ready of the class with you. 562 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 4: Any time. 563 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 3: I was just like, where the fuck is this coming? 564 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: Trouble and you're like, hey, you were looking at me wrong? 565 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: One damn look at you wrong? What that talking about? Say? 566 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: Man, I'm on edge all the time, so I was 567 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: probably edging the ship for something else. 568 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: That's another thing man, mentally that that's those things you're 569 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: talking about it and it helps, it helps right there. Man, 570 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: I can't wait to use that uh coping mechanism you 571 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 4: talked about earlier. That right there, I can. I can't 572 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 4: wait to get back home, man, and just get that 573 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: to going, because you never you never know who who's 574 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: going through something and who can use that. Yeah, you 575 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 4: just got to keep on spreading that word right there 576 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 4: and putting that out there. Millions of other people need 577 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: to know just that right there, what you told me, 578 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: and may it all kind of light bulbs went off 579 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 4: right there, and you know, just saying man, and even 580 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 4: if people people shit everybody, I don't you don't have 581 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 4: to be anything to have hate or to think someone 582 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 4: hates you. Man, you can be a great guy. Like 583 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: you got to start speaking that love and that uh 584 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 4: that that that positivity into your life and putting the 585 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 4: home around that younger you. Wait, man, I've learned a lot. Man, 586 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 4: just uh, this is a little time right here and 587 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: can't wait, so implement that. So that's good stuff. 588 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: I want you to d m me and then tell 589 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: me how it's going, what you've been Well, it took 590 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: me about three days and that first time and it 591 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: was like it was hard. And then like that third day, 592 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: it was almost like God in the universe talk to 593 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: me like, no one hates you, grow for you, but 594 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: we needed you to feel this kind of pain so 595 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: you can help others with theirs you like in the 596 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: same time when you do to see we made all 597 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 2: your other dreams come true to keep you afloat or 598 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: you haven't seen that. Once you can understand and see 599 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: that and see why you're in this pain, then you'll 600 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 2: kind of be ready to go to that next step. 601 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: And then it was everything. It just changed my life, dude, 602 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: and I still got working. I'm working progress. I'm a 603 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: fucked up dude. 604 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: I'm a working progress. 605 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: Man. 606 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm fucked up, but I'm good with my fucked up, 607 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 3: no question. 608 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 2: Man. 609 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: If I didn't, if I didn't try to have good sense, Man, Jesus, 610 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 4: I think that's on the fact that every god it's 611 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 4: uh with doing it for you know, like we just 612 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 4: like I said earlier, is for the other people, man, 613 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 4: who can't handle it. 614 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: We can. 615 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 4: We're able to deal with that right there and still 616 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: get the job. A lot of other people give up. 617 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: My last question for. 618 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: You, I asked every single guest of ours before I 619 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: let him go, give me your unbreakable moment, that moment 620 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: that should have broken you and didn't, and you came 621 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: through the other side of that tunnel. As a result, 622 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 2: you were stronger forever. 623 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 4: Man, it's uh, sure you got a luck. Yeah, it's 624 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: a ton, but I would say probably uh dealing with 625 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 4: the concussion, dealing with your depression in the darkest space 626 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 4: I've ever been in, because I've been able to. I've 627 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 4: been through every injury. I should have said it out. 628 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 4: I don't know how many games and life from a 629 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: young kid, but when everything you've read, everything you've seen, 630 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 4: and you're going through that, going through that, man, and 631 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 4: it was I'm the heaviest I've ever been, bad, out 632 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: of shape, and just you're thinking about You're thinking about dying. 633 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 4: You're just thinking about it. It's it's going to be 634 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: the night every night. Your head is pounding, You're you're 635 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 4: just you're at peace and ready to give up. But 636 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 4: something you wouldn't let me give up. Kept fighting because 637 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 4: I felt that it was I was doing it for 638 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 4: other people. I was doing it for a bigger cause. 639 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 4: So and you walk out on that balcony, walk out 640 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: on your pool deck and just a breath of fresh 641 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 4: fresh air just comes over you, and you know everything 642 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: is all the baggage is off you. So just going 643 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 4: through that time right there, it was one of the 644 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: toughest coming out. On the other hand, I appreciate everything 645 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: about war. I'm headed and one becoming that like you said, 646 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 4: and it's even greater than what you thought you were chasing. 647 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I love you, dude for battle buddies. Now, 648 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: if you still want to fight, man, I'm in no problem. 649 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: We're good. Hey, good dude. 650 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: Basically physically I can't get it done. 651 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: Man. 652 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 4: I appreciate you, and you look forward to doing it again. 653 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: Hey, tell me how it goes. 654 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: To keep in touch with me, right, and then as 655 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: you're doing this journey where you're helping other people, lean 656 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: on me for shit, and I'll kind of help guide 657 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 2: you there too, And I may come lean on you 658 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 2: for something one day too, because it's my job, man, to. 659 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: Help as many people as I can. 660 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: Most definitely, well, you definitely helped me, man. I appreciate you. 661 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: I'll talk to you so. I love you. Man. 662 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: Let's keep walking this walk together. 663 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: We'll do it.