1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: It's Thursday. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: It's a Cardinals off day, and the team itself, especially 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: the bullpen, could really use it after last night's four 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: to two loss to the Seattle Mariners in thirteen innings. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cardinals Territory, your official Saint Louis Cardinals 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: podcast on the Foul Territory Network. I'm your host Katie Woo. 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: Heading into the week, the Cardinals had clawed their way 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: back to five hundred after winning three straight series against 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reds, the Athletics and the San Francisco Giants, 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: and then they made their way to T Mobile Park 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: and were promptly swept by the Mariners in three games. 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: Wednesday's game felt especially brutal, especially given how well pitched 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: it was. 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: Michael McGreevey posted a bounce back outing. 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: After he was tagged for six runs and four innings 16 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: by the Giants last week. 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: He limited Seattle's homer. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: Happy lineup and logged a quality start six innings, one 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: and run, five hits, four strikeouts, zero walks. The biggest 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: difference for me in McGreevy start today was how aggressive 21 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: he came out. 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: In the first inning. 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: We know that's been kind of a focal point for 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: McGreevy is trying to establish himself and his stuff early 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: in games. A lot of times we've seen him come 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: out and kind of get hit a little hard in 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: the first and second innings and then settle down. He 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: said that he had a conversation with Sonny Gray, who said, 29 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: you need to pitch the first inning like you're a closer, 30 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: and he came out super strong against a Seattle Mariners 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: lineup that features Randy Rosarania. 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Perhaps Cardinals fans are familiar with him. 33 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: Cal Ralely the potential American League MVP, Polio Rodriguez and 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: Josh Naylor. Those the first four batters the Mariners have 35 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 2: in their lineup must be nice to have some thumb. 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: But Michael McGreevy I thought pitched really well. 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: It's a shame that we probably won't be talking about 38 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: it too much because of what transpired after the bullpen 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: was also nails. Matt Swohnson continues to dominate. He and 40 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: Jojo Ramerill combined to log three innings of scoreless ball 41 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: with four strikeouts. And how about Riley O'Brien showing against 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: his former team in his home state to be able 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: to get up a bases loaded no out to jam 44 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: and hold the tie there in the eleventh was super 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: impressive as well. Ryan Fernandez, I thought, did a nice 46 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: job in the twelfth, but at some point the Mariners 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: were going to take advantage of the cardinals. 48 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: Inability to score. 49 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: They scored in the first inning on Evon Herrera solo 50 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: shot and then did not score again until the eleventh, 51 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: so it was not exactly a surprise when the first 52 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: pitch of the bottom of the thirteenth was hammered for 53 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: a walk off homer by Leo Ribas. 54 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 55 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: Tough loss for the Cardinals, who have now fallen back 56 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: to three games under five hundred. Especially frustrating because it 57 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: was such a well pitched game, I mean, from mcgrievy 58 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: to the bullpen. Yeah, Fernandez the thirteenth ultimately loses the game, 59 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: but again that comes down to the inability to score, 60 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: which is what plagued the Cardinals for the majority of 61 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: this series. 62 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: So it's frustrating. 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: But one thing that I want to point out from 64 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: this series, and this is not I don't want to 65 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: make this a bigger deal than it is, but I 66 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: think it was just a microcosm of what we should 67 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: be looking for as fans as media as the Cardinals 68 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: in a true rebuild season. The Cardinals, again, like I said, 69 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: do not score. For nine innings, Yvon Herrera is solo 70 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: shot off Logan Gilbert and then nothing. 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: They went two for twenty two. 72 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: With runners in scoring positions, so that is really a 73 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: not great But the scoring opportunity they squandered the most, 74 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: and this is including the bases loaded opportunity. They left 75 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: the runners in scoring position and second and third in 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: the middle innings. The biggest opportunity they squandered came in 77 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: the tenth when Herrera was the automatic runner at second base. 78 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: I'll look at my score book, because there's no way, 79 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: as I record this after midnight on the West Coast, 80 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: that I can remember thirteen innings of baseball accurately. So 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: we'll look at the book. Herrera is the automatic runner 82 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: in the tenth, and you have Alec Burlason who lines 83 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: out to right field, and that's a tag play for Herrera, 84 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: but for some inexplicable reason, he breaks for third base 85 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: on contact and he's about sixty percent of the way 86 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: to third base before that ball is caught in right field. 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 2: He has to scamper back to second base. By then 88 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: you can't tag up, and you can see he's frustrated. 89 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: Third base coach Pop Warner is kind of standing on 90 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: the third base box with his hands on his hips, like, hey, 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: what's going on. 92 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Herrera is mad, he's evis. It's obvious. 93 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: He's smacking his leg a little bit, like you know 94 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: that he messed up. 95 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: He should have tagged. 96 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: What caught me off guard was when the next play, 97 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: Wilson Contreras is up. He lines the foul ball to 98 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: right field out of play. Herrera does the same thing. 99 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: He breaks for third again, and it's clear that he 100 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: is still thinking about the missed opportunity to tag, because 101 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: it was pretty basic knowledge to tag up on that play. 102 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: Then what happens. Contreras hits a hard hit ball to 103 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: center and it doesn't look like it's going to fall. 104 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: As far as hard as it hits, it still looks 105 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: like it's going right to Huleo Rodriguez and von Herrera 106 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 2: breaks for third, and Rodriguez kind of looks a little surprised, 107 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: like what's going on, easily corrals the fly ball and 108 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: just kind of lobs it to second base for an 109 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: eight six double play inning. 110 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Over U. Yeah, you know the saying you see something 111 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: new at the ballpark each day. 112 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Well, I had never seen a two better inning before 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: until Wednesday night. So that's something that overall play two critical. 114 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Miscues on the bass paths cannot happen. 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: But I do want to one commend Herrera's comments after 116 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: the game talking to local media. He did not mince words. 117 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: He was there at his locker waiting for us, took 118 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: full accountability. Here's a quote that I'll read from him. 119 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: He said, uh, and I'm not using the full language here. 120 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: I fed up the first one. I thought the ball 121 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: had topspin if it was going to land, which it didn't. 122 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: I kept thinking about that and then I eft up again. 123 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Herrera went on to say, I got to learn from that, 124 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: just try to be better. I just kept thinking trying 125 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: to make up for the first one. All of that 126 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: was in my head. So clearly this is a guy 127 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: who got caught up. But I made a mistake and 128 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: let that mistake carry over into the next play. 129 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: That can happen. He knows it, The Cardinals know it. 130 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: They kept his bat in the lineup in case the 131 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: game stayed tied. It did, but when he ended the 132 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: he was the out in the twelfth. 133 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 2: When it became time for him to be the automatic 134 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: runner in the thirteenth, it was not Herrera who took 135 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: over at second base. It was Jordan Walker. So that 136 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: was pretty telling to me. Here's what I really want 137 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: to point out about that play. The Saint Louis Cardinals, 138 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: at its core is a fundamentally sound baseball team. 139 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: We know this. 140 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: That's kind of just the backbone of George Kissel of 141 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals in general. But when you are 142 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: rebuilding and when you are developing developing players at the 143 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: major league level, situations like Herreras will unfortunately occur. So 144 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: when I say Cardinals baseball is going to look a 145 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: little bit different as they work through this rebuild, this 146 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 2: is exactly what I'm talking about. Mistakes are going to happen. 147 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Players are going to do things that used to be 148 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: inexcusable in prior seasons with the Cardinals organization in particular. 149 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: I mean, this play didn't even show up in the 150 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: box score, but on a butt play in the tenth 151 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: with a runner on second, both Nolan Gorman and Wilson 152 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: Conterrera's crash on the ball popped up in foul territory. 153 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: There was nobody covering third base. Thomas a jac who 154 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: was playing shortstop for Mason Wynn more on him, later 155 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: broke to cover second and left third base open. That 156 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: runner could have easily advanced to third, but the Cardinals 157 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: were able to recover. Things like that, these are what 158 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: these young players are going to have to experience in 159 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: the big leagues. You can't replicate a major league environment 160 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: in Triple A. They have to learn these things at 161 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: the big league level as they go through the rebuild. 162 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: Now, it doesn't make it any easier for. 163 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: Fans, I will say, but this is the only way 164 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: these guys are going to learn. So at the end 165 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: of the day, Herrera made a mistake. Is it going 166 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: to make or break him? No? Was it frustrating for 167 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: fans watching. Was it a pivotal moment in the game. Absolutely, 168 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: But that's not why the Mariners were able to sleep 169 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: the Cardinals over the weekend. It really came down to 170 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: an inability to score against a very good pitching staff, 171 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: silver lining the Cardinals new director of pitching, Matt Pierpont, 172 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: came from the Seattle Mariners. So if you liked what 173 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: you saw from Brian Wu, George Kirby, Logan Gilbert. They 174 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: need to see Louis Castillo. 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We knew he'd been dealing with knee pain 215 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: and the Cardinals were kind of evaluating that on a 216 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: day to day basis, So when he was scratched roughly 217 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes before first pitch on Tuesday, even though 218 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: the Cardinals had not yet given an official reason, it 219 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: was pretty safe to assume that it was anything. We 220 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: got more clarity finally Tuesday night after the game, where 221 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Mason Wynn talked to Saint Louis based reporters and Ollie 222 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: marml later disclosed right out after that that Win has 223 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: a meniscus tear and has right me and he's going 224 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: to undergo I never say this word correctly arthroscopic surgery 225 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 2: or a scope surgery. 226 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Over the off season. That is a minimally minimal invasive surgery. 227 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: So I want to pump the brakes right there. Anytime 228 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: that we hear surgery, it's human nature to freak out. Okay, 229 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: this is a very limited invasive surgery. I mean he'll 230 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: be able to walk out of the room under his 231 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: own power after the surgery is done. 232 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: The Cardinals medical team does not believe that Mason Win 233 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: will have any further risk in making this tear worse. 234 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: Mason wants to play every day so the Cardinals are 235 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: going to manage him on a day by day basis 236 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: hope to avoid the il and finish the season strong. 237 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: And I think it's very clear talking to Mason how 238 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: important he feels it is for him to play every 239 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: game when healthy. So I get why fans would be like, well, 240 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: if he needs surgery, why is he playing? If he's 241 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: a torminiscus, why is he playing? So let me try 242 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: to some of these questions, because I do think it 243 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: comes across a little bit more complicated than it actually is. 244 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and read this from the Athletic. 245 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: When we talked to Mason after the game, he was 246 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: the one who first brought up the concept of surgery 247 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: happening probably as soon as the off season begins. Mason said, 248 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: some stuff is probably going to have to be done 249 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: this offseason to help me out. But I want to 250 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: finish the year as strong as possible. I hate not 251 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: playing games, but going forward, if I'm going to play 252 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: the rest of the year out, maybe taking a day 253 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: off here and there isn't a bad idea. I was 254 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: told I probably can't do too much worse to it, 255 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 2: So that's why I want to be out there, knock 256 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: on wood. If I can't hurt myself any further because 257 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: of this, than I want to be out there. The 258 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Cardinals had fifteen games remaining in their schedule. Mason Winn 259 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: was hopeful he'd be able to play on Wednesday. That 260 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 2: was not the case. He was not in the lineup today, 261 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 2: was not a live option for the Cardinals on Wednesday. 262 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: With the off day on Thursday, the. 263 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: Cardinals are hoping that he'd be able to play on 264 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: Friday again if there's no further risk of making this 265 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: tear any worse, which the Cardinals medical team believes that 266 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: that is the case, and I do not, in any 267 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: sense or any capacity, believe that if it was different, 268 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: they would still let him play. 269 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: And Mason wants to be. 270 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: Out there, and the surgery that he's not gonna undergo 271 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: is not going to impact his off season or his 272 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six under any means. Okay, fine, plenty of 273 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 2: players play, hurt, play with some sort of tear. I 274 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: think Mason is smart, and he's been very honest with 275 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: Allie Marble about when he can play and when he can't. 276 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: So we're gonna continue to see him now if things 277 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: get worse, they'll put him on the injur list. The 278 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: Cardinals are four and a half games back from the 279 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: Mets in the final wildcard spot. They're three games under 280 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 2: five hundred. Mathematically, yes, they're still in it. Realistically not 281 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: so much. But Mason wants to play. I'll go and 282 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: I'll continue reading some of these quotes just to give 283 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: his perspective a little bit more. Mason said, I feel 284 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: I owe it to these guys to finish the year strong. 285 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: I definitely don't want to cash in this early. Technically 286 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: we still have a shot, so I still want to 287 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: go out there and compete for that. 288 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: I want to do it for my pictures. 289 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: I know these guys really want me out there at shortstop, 290 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: and I want to be there. I'm going to have 291 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: time in the off season to recover, so I feel 292 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: like I can play this one out if things change. 293 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: There are. 294 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: Their options, right, Thomas and JC can't play shortstop. Brendan 295 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: Donovan should return on Friday. We'll have a rehab update 296 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: for him later in the episode. One thing that is 297 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: not under consideration, barring anything super unusual, is the call 298 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: up of top prospect JJ Weatherholt, who returned to the 299 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: Memphis Redbirds lineup on Wednesday after missing the last five 300 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: games with a with general soreness from a non baseball ailment, 301 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 2: per a team sports spokesperson, so he was a DH 302 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: from Memphis today. He'll resume back to the field as 303 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: early as Thursday, if not by the weekend, and everything 304 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: is full go there. But the Cardinals still are not 305 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: entertaining calling up their top prospect, regardless of his one 306 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: point zho to five ops and his over three hundred 307 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: batting average. Again, this comes down to forty man roster construction, 308 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: less do the service time, more that he doesn't need 309 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,239 Speaker 2: to be protected, and the person in charge of activating 310 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: the forty man roster right now, John Azaylock, is not 311 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: going to be the person in charge of managing JJ 312 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: Weatherhold's career. 313 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: That's time bloom. 314 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: So we can, unfortunately hit the pause button on seeing 315 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: JJ Weatherhold at some point this year, unless again, something 316 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: completely crazy out of left field happens. For right now, 317 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: you'll continue to see Mason win, hopefully avoid the injured list, 318 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: play through this pain, undergo a scope surgery probably in October, 319 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 2: and be good to go. For a quote, very normal 320 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: for the Cardinals medical team offseason and hopefully a twenty 321 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 2: twenty six season as well. 322 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: It's worth noting that right. 323 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: Now Mason Win stands as a lead candidate for the 324 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: nationally Gold Glove at shortstop. He is having one of 325 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: the best defensive seasons by a Cardinal shortstop in franchise history. 326 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: I'll read you guys some stats. He leads MLB and 327 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 2: out of a average at twenty two, and he leads 328 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: all MLB shortstops with a nine to nine to four 329 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: fielding percentage. He's made just three errors all season. He's 330 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: also on pace to post the full or the highest 331 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: full season fielding percentage by a Cardinal shortstop in club history. 332 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: So lots to play for if you're Mason Win again, 333 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 2: if he doesn't feel like he's hurting himself or putting 334 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: his future at risk, then you manage it and play 335 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: day by day and hope that the surgery goes in 336 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: there and clean some things up so he's not in 337 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: pain come twenty twenty six. So I hear your skepticism again. 338 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Anytime I think that you hear surgery or tear, you 339 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: fear the worst. 340 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: But this is a situation the Cardinals feel like and 341 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: Mason feels like they have a hold on so they 342 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: will continue doing that. More injury updates await for you all. 343 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: Brendan Donovan, Nolan Arnado started rehab assignments. We'll break those 344 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: down and when those two players could be back. 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This baseball 379 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: game was exhausting. I cannot believe we used to do 380 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 2: that every day. Anyway, Let's talk about some of your 381 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 2: favorite players returning to the Cardinals line at. Brendan Donovan 382 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: Nolan Arnado began rehab assignments with Double A Springfield this week. 383 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: John King did as well. Brendan Donovan played I think 384 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: He had three at bats today for. 385 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Springfield the Springfield Cardinals. 386 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: He will be activated Friday before the three game series 387 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: against the Brewers. Nolan Arnatto had his first game of 388 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: his rehab assignment as the DH for Springfield on Wednesday. 389 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: He'll play in a couple more. He's targeting a Monday activation. 390 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: Before the Cardinals three game series started the home stand 391 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: against the Reds. 392 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: So rotation reinforcements are on the way. 393 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: Wilson Contraras after served his four game suspension and returned 394 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 2: to the Alec Burlson is back, so we're starting to 395 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: see more of the regulars come in, which means I believe, 396 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 2: I firmly believe the team's strikeout rate will go down. 397 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: The Cardinals had let me count. 398 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: Them, fourteen strikeouts on Wednesday, and a lot of that 399 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: just when you look at the players in the bottom 400 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: of the lineup, they're guys that are very new or 401 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: raw to this league. And you know, Brendan Donovan doesn't 402 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: strike out a lot, Alec Burlson doesn't strike out a lot. 403 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: Nolan Arnando doesn't strike out a lot. 404 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: So you're seeing a lot of these inflated numbers because 405 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 2: they had been replaced with players who do strike out 406 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: a lot. 407 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: So this should help. 408 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: The offense desperately because they need it, and it will 409 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: again complicated playing time over the final two weeks of 410 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: the season. But I think we've seen enough out of 411 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: each player at this point to kind of judge their seasons. 412 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: Of course, you want guys like Jordan Walker to finish strong, 413 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: Nolan Gorman to finish strong, Lars new Bar, et cetera. 414 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: But every single player I think has had a substantial 415 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: enough runway playing time, whatever overused term you want to 416 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: call it for us to make decisions about whether or 417 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 2: not their seasons were successful, what they can build upon, 418 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: what they did well, what they didn't. So Brendan Donovan 419 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: should be back Friday, Nolan Arnado should be back Monday. 420 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: Whether or not these two are Cardinals come open or 421 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: comes spring training next year, Excuse me, that's a conversation 422 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: for what will be a very busy offseason for us 423 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: all But right now, some roster reinforcements are coming back. 424 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: No word on the corresponding moves yet. 425 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: The players most likely to see their playe time cut 426 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 2: a little bit, I would say Thomas A. Jac He 427 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: had a four hit night tonight, that was exciting jose Ferman, 428 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 2: and we'll see what this means for Nolan Gorman and 429 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: Jordan Walker. Walker did not get the start on Tuesday 430 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: or Wednesday's game. Lars Newbar has gotten the bulk of 431 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: the starts. Alec Wilson is going to continue being a 432 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: starter and that lineup. He's deserved it. So we'll see 433 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: how the planetime shakes out. The Cardinals take on the Brewers. 434 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: They are headed. They're probably on a flight now to 435 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: Milwaukee again, thank goodness, it's an off day. 436 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: The team charter is scheduled to land. 437 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: It's am Central times, so they will most likely sleep 438 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: most of the day enjoy the night off in Milwaukee 439 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: before three game set. 440 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: The Cardinals have one five series left in the season. 441 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: That's insane. 442 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: Four of those five series are against NL Central opponents. 443 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: They will go three against the Brewers at American Family Field, 444 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: three against the Reds at Bush Jadum, three against the 445 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: Brewers again at bus Jadium, and they'll finish the season 446 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: on the road six games, three in San Francisco, three 447 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: at Wrigley Field against the Chicago Cups. So Division action 448 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: picking up that National League Wild card is all over 449 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: the place. The Brewers are apparently the best team in baseball. 450 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: Again. I do not know how they keep getting away 451 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: with this, but they do. 452 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: They are again, a very athletic, very talented, very exciting 453 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: team to watch. So I actually think, and you'll hear 454 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: this around the league, the Cardinals could learn a lot 455 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: from the Brewers model for how they evaluate players, how 456 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 2: resourceful they are. 457 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: Based on how limited spending that they do. 458 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: So it's very impressive what the Milwaukee Brewers have been 459 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: able to do again, and one of these days I'm 460 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: going to start the season believing in them, because every 461 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: year I'm like, no, they can't keep doing this, and 462 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: then every year they keep doing it. 463 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: Nothing. 464 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: The Cardinals will like to do more than place spoiler 465 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: for a lot of these teams, especially in the Division. 466 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: The Reds are very much in the postseason hunt, so 467 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: are the Cubs and the Giants, so plenty of time 468 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: to wreak chaos and. 469 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 1: That's what we like to do. 470 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: So thanks is always for watching Cardinal Territory. I'm going 471 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: to get some sleep because I obviously need it. We'll 472 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: be back over the weekend with some Cardinals Brewers breakdowns 473 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: and hopefully a better outcome at American Family Field than 474 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: T Mobile Park again. I'm your host, Katie Wu. Thanks 475 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: for watching Cardinal Territory. We'll be back very soon.