00:00:08 Speaker 1: But I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're a presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare. 00:00:36 Speaker 2: To surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts, I'm pretcher, whine girl. I'm engaged. No, that's that's actually not true. I don't know why I decided to say that. I'm sorry, I'm I'm not engaged. I just I apologize. Actually, I don't know why I said I'm engaged, but I'm not engaged. I'm not engaged to be married. Why did I say that? I don't know. We're here in the studio. The podcast is steamier than ever. What's going on in my life? I went the wrong direction for dinner, but I wanted a club sandwhich, so I showed up right as we were supposed to begin recording. So that's my fault. But I did have the club sandwich and a rushed diner dinner, so there's that. Last night, I tried to watch a documentary as a kind word, a documentary about Amelia Earhart. Turned it off. I don't know. I think that that's her private life. Wherever she went, that's none of my business. So I'm done enough. So that brings us to today. Patreon still exists patreon dot com. Slash I said, no gifts, all kinds of things, you know, the videos of the live shows, bonus episodes, you name it. Go over there. Now let's get into the podcast. Today's guest is absolutely fantastic. I love this person. It's John Gimberlin. Guy said, no. 00:02:24 Speaker 2: Gift, Thank you for having me, so happy to have you here. 00:02:28 Speaker 3: I'm happy to be here and I'm happy to have you here. 00:02:30 Speaker 2: Did you eat by yourself? Yes? 00:02:33 Speaker 3: Yeah. How do you feel about eating alone? 00:02:35 Speaker 2: I like it. I like eating privately. I don't feel one way or the other about eating alone at restaurants. I think you went to a restaurant. Yes, that's fine. I like eating like alone in my house or in a hotel room unseen. I like to watch something. 00:02:55 Speaker 3: I'm kind of the opposite. I never eat at home, really never unless I eat it. I read at home, but I don't really eat meals. So I'm eating out all the time. And when my boyfriend's not in town, I just go out to eat and so and I read. I like to read while eating. 00:03:10 Speaker 2: So you sit in restaurants and you read, oh yeah, isn't it expensively? 00:03:14 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to super expensive places. I mean the most expensive, like on a regular night would be Clark Street Diner, which, as far as diner prices go, is not low prices. But that's like the ceiling as far as a weak night dinner for. 00:03:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you eat there rather than take it home. 00:03:33 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I hate to bring food home. 00:03:35 Speaker 2: Don't you want to like huddle in with whatever your nasty little food is and like watch a show on HBO or something and I just eat in the glow of your computer. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: I just like the food as soon as it comes from behind, the from the kitchen, from behind, from when I'm surprised by I scream. 00:03:58 Speaker 1: No. 00:03:58 Speaker 3: I like to like especially with like a French fry. Obviously a lot of foods just don't travel well, and I want it to be as good as possible. And I like being out, like getting out of the house. 00:04:09 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No. I like the anonymity. When my family, I mean, my wife cooks usually so, but if they're out of town, if I'm by myself, I'll. 00:04:20 Speaker 3: Order like, what are you getting? 00:04:23 Speaker 2: I'm better in recent years previously maybe Domino's Burger King, ordering Burger King potentially. 00:04:31 Speaker 3: Okay, yes see that's a line. I think that's too far. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: It's expensive to order burger. 00:04:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, then you're like, oh my god, I just spent thirty dollars our Yeah, that to me, that math never adds up. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: I watch them come, I say, like, just leave it at the door, like, don't talk to me, don't see you. I watch them through the curtains. I whisper like, please leave, get out, go just go leave it, and then I wait until they've driven off, and then I come out and I take the bag. It's a whole like you know, oh, of course it feels very private covert, Yes, very private. 00:05:09 Speaker 3: Is the leaving it at the door? Did that start with COVID or was that an option pre COVID, that please leave it at the door. 00:05:16 Speaker 2: I think it was an option, but it was unorthodox. I think that felt COVID brought it into the mainstream. 00:05:22 Speaker 3: Right that then it became kind of just the status quo. 00:05:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:05:25 Speaker 3: You rarely see someone who's delivered something to your house, which, again that worries me. The food could be they put it there, then they don't text you until they've driven out of the neighborhood that I'm watching watch. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: I'm watching them on the computer. I'm watching them on the map get closer, and then I'm watching the lights pull up, and then I'm watching. I'm watching. I don't care about the temperature of the food. 00:05:47 Speaker 3: I just know it all. 00:05:48 Speaker 2: I just wanted private. 00:05:52 Speaker 3: That's your number one thing in food is privacy. 00:05:55 Speaker 2: I grew up in a very small apartment in New York City, so I feel like anything that is my own little private space is I cherish right protect it. Yeah, you said you have treats at home? What might that mean? 00:06:15 Speaker 3: I bake cookies? Oh yes, so I eat cookies at home. Okay, the one food can well, I guess I eat breakfast, but that's not really you know, I'm just eating a bar or something. It's not really a meal. But I bake cookies and eat them every night. 00:06:32 Speaker 2: Now you look in shape for someone who always either eats out or cookies. 00:06:38 Speaker 3: Well, I have a very controlled cookie diet. I only eat one cookie at night. 00:06:42 Speaker 2: Now how do you do that? 00:06:44 Speaker 3: And the listeners so mad, they're like, I can will he stop talking about cookies or do you often talk about cook but I like explaining it. I make a batch of dough at the beginning of the week, yes, and then I put it in the fridge, sure, and then just bake it off throughout the week. And then if I have at the end, I freeze it in balls. And then that's for panic times when I don't have another treat ready, I can just dip into the freezer. So you eat one cookie a day, a night, they're exclusively at night. 00:07:12 Speaker 2: But you're preheating. You're putting it in what like twelve minutes or something, just one cookie. 00:07:17 Speaker 3: There, fourteen to fifteen minutes. Yes, if my boyfriend's in town, well actually we won't even get into him not eating cookies anymore. And people are looking at this and they're saying the environmental impact. 00:07:28 Speaker 2: Is this a gas oven? 00:07:30 Speaker 3: Or it is a gas oven? Right, But people are heating up there oven for other things. 00:07:35 Speaker 2: Of course, So I have an electric and induction stuff. 00:07:38 Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I don't know what my footprint is as far as using the oven every night to make a cookie, but not terrible. 00:07:49 Speaker 2: Well, what are we preheating at three point fifty Okay? What does it take ten minutes to get there. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: That takes about ten minutes. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: Ten minutes. Nothing's in the oven, just burning bird. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: You can't blame me for that. Everybody has to do the pre heat. So that's a that's a free attack on the earth. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: Fair enough. But some people are pre heating for like a whole. For instance, my wife made a bunch of chicken and that fed three people tonight. 00:08:18 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's not my problem. 00:08:21 Speaker 2: And she to preheat it. She just puts it in waits till it's warm. She doesn't care. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, the chicken's already cooked. She's just warming it up. 00:08:28 Speaker 2: No, No, she doesn't care with chicken. She'll just throw it in and leave it until it looks good to her. 00:08:34 Speaker 3: I guess that works for chicken, right. 00:08:36 Speaker 2: Because you just goods will preheat baked like uh like, if we're making cookies, well we'll preheat. I'm not saying we. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: Never, Oh you will, Okay. I thought you were telling me throw the cookie in before it's heated. 00:08:47 Speaker 2: And then I was going to say, John, No, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that. That would be. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: I've been making cookies a long time and I don't know what even know what to say at this point, I'm a climate criminal. 00:08:59 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm a little late to the party, but I agree that sounds like a big waste and a shame. 00:09:06 Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite treat? 00:09:08 Speaker 2: I like overeating. My wife is very into like looking into Andrea. I'll just call her Andrea. From here on, I'm saying my wife and over again. Andrew's into like the best place, like looking up what's the best, what's recommended, what has a picture on Instagram and is highly rated. I have a hard time sitting down and eating something that I have an expectation about from something out like, oh, this is supposed to be the best, right, And the whole time I'm not. I'm going through the process of being like, is this the best? Is this just okay? I would rather just eat something and have a large quantity of it and discover that I like it. 00:09:48 Speaker 3: I'm somewhere in between. I would say I feel like having too many expectations. It could be an evening running experience. Yeah, but it feels almost impossible to go to a restaurant without some prior knowledge. Now. I remember, like as a kid, my parents would see a new restaurant and like, let's go try it knowing no information about it. But now I go in with any place with some expectation. But I also don't really need the best of anything. 00:10:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like you walk down the street, you're hungry, you go into a place, you go, oh, this was good. You know, somebody brings home at half a sandwich from somewhere that you weren't expecting. That's the best. 00:10:30 Speaker 3: My mark of quality is if I've just cleared the entire plate. Yeah, that's really the only thing. I leave feeling borderline sick. And that's fine. I feel like that's a dinner experience. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I usually clear the plate regardless. 00:10:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, why am I there? Otherwise? I don't like taking food home in a box, because again. 00:10:53 Speaker 2: You don't like food in your house. 00:10:56 Speaker 3: It's called take thie food home. Okay, take like a curry home. Okay, I'll take fried chicken home. 00:11:02 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:11:03 Speaker 3: Sometimes pizza, those are all can be reheated pretty well, I would say, Okay, I'd love to put pizza in a waffle iron. 00:11:10 Speaker 2: Do you preheat before the pizza? 00:11:12 Speaker 3: You preheat a waffle iron? I guess you do if you wait till the beeps. Yeah, yeah, you gotta wait for it to beep. You gotta have it sizzling hot. 00:11:20 Speaker 2: Preheat pizza in a waffle iron. 00:11:22 Speaker 3: Well, I preheat the waffle iron, then I put the pizza. 00:11:25 Speaker 2: Sorry, I mean, but you heat it in the waff Yes. 00:11:27 Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of this? You fold the pizza in half and put it in the waffle iron, and then it creates like a sandwich. It's phenomenal. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: You fold it in half. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's a little bit of folding, so just to kind of to keep the cheese intil. 00:11:44 Speaker 2: The tapered part up to the crust, or you fold it. 00:11:49 Speaker 3: So that it's Oh, I usually do you do it like a paper airplay, right, because if you do it longwise, it's too frequently too big for the waffle iron. Waffle iron is you know that big and then it's gonna be sticking out of it. 00:12:02 Speaker 2: You have a small do you have a huge one? I have a big waffle iron sized waffle iron. 00:12:08 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what a regular size waffle iron is. 00:12:10 Speaker 2: I guess, oh, interesting one and a half pieces of pizza. 00:12:18 Speaker 3: Well, you fold it somehow so the cheese is not exposed anymore. Put it in there for a few minutes. It's easily the best way to reheat pizza. You'll never look back. 00:12:28 Speaker 2: Is this something I should know about? You're saying, like, oh, you've never heard of this. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: No, it's a pretty it's for me within the last five years. It was actually I learned about it during the pandemic. I think because we would have, you know. 00:12:40 Speaker 2: Order a pizza to your house during the pandemic. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: Of course, Okay, it's not trying to poke holes in my life. 00:12:51 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just learning. I'm just trying to keep up, just trying to understand illogically. 00:12:57 Speaker 3: I think I learned about it then and now I'm trying to spread the word because you know, reheating in the microwave pizza doesn't work for me. 00:13:05 Speaker 2: I don't even have a microwave. 00:13:06 Speaker 3: You don't have a microwave? 00:13:08 Speaker 2: No why I never had one growing up. Andrea, I guess she had one, but we just don't care about it. We'll heat stuff in the oven or like. It just it's always kind of disgusting. It's always like wet, Like you put something in the microwave and it comes out way too hot and. 00:13:26 Speaker 3: Wet, yes, sizzling hot and damp. No, I only use it like for very specific things like if I need to melt an ingredient or you know, if I get a Trader joe'se something or other that needs to be heated up. But otherwise, yeah, Like I have no use for a microfof which is annoying because you have this huge object in your kitchen. 00:13:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have the space for it. 00:13:51 Speaker 3: You really don't use that often. Yeah, but I do feel like if I didn't have it, there would be moments where I'd be really frustrated and needing to melt butter or something. 00:14:00 Speaker 2: Butter on the stovetop. 00:14:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, that takes a minute. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: Well, doesn't take that long. 00:14:03 Speaker 3: We'll take induction, okay, mister induction. Occasionally I'll brown butter on the stovetop, which is deeply stressful. Have you ever brown butter? 00:14:15 Speaker 2: Not in the conventional way that you mean? 00:14:21 Speaker 3: John? Moving on, As much as I'd like to dive into how you brown butter, I feel like there was something else we should talk about. I was excited to have you here on the podcast today. 00:14:33 Speaker 2: Why. 00:14:34 Speaker 3: I just thought John's wonderful. Everyone seems to love John. I can't imagine not having a good Time with John. The podcast is called I said no Gifts and I so, I was a little surprised when you walked into the studio holding an object that, from here looks like a gift. 00:14:53 Speaker 2: To me, it is a gift and it's wrapped in wrapping paper. 00:14:59 Speaker 3: Okay, it says ho on it. 00:15:00 Speaker 2: It's Christmas paper, but. 00:15:02 Speaker 3: Really unconventional Christmas paper. It's like party like club colors. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: Oh you're used to a more dour, muted Christmas paper. 00:15:13 Speaker 3: Yes, this is more of a New Year's Eve color palette. I would say it is. 00:15:18 Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a happy festive Miami Christmas. 00:15:22 Speaker 3: Because it says ho all over it. It almost kind of the word ho takes on. It's an interesting type of paper to look at. 00:15:29 Speaker 2: I would say it's primarily wrapping paper that you would use in a brothel. 00:15:37 Speaker 3: Well, should I open it here on the podcast? 00:15:39 Speaker 2: Would you like to? 00:15:40 Speaker 3: I would love to. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: I'm sorry I brought a gift. It just you know, I was raised with propriety and. 00:15:52 Speaker 3: Okay, oh, it's like two sided wrapping paper. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: It is itself, I say from Michael's Okay, oh my god, what what is this? Oh my god. 00:16:07 Speaker 3: For the listener, I'll try to describe. It's a painting of a man topless man, kind of a Poseidon type character, but with a short red hair, and he's coming out of the ocean. Behind him, are I would say, other gods, other Greek gods. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: Potentially it's I don't know there either. Clouds are carved from st Rock of the Island behind right. 00:16:41 Speaker 3: And then on the back it says for my favorite action figure Avatar John Merry Christmas two thousand and two, Love daw. 00:16:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, and my father painted that. 00:16:53 Speaker 3: What does this say here? 00:16:56 Speaker 2: That says so my father, whose name is Stephen Gimberling. But so my father painted this. That's me, that's you. Yeah, you don't recognize me, I guess without the beard. 00:17:12 Speaker 3: It's really beautifully painted. 00:17:14 Speaker 2: My father's an artist, okay, and he has given me a lot of stuff that he's made over the years, ceramics, paintings, drawings, print outs like shadow solar art and stuff. So I have a lot of it, yes, and I thought maybe you would like some of it. I love it. 00:17:38 Speaker 3: It's really you, it's really me, and he calls you his favorite action figure. 00:17:43 Speaker 2: I don't know what that was in reference to this was in two thousand and two for Christmas. So it is a regift. Okay, this is a that makes it better? It does, but I have had it for a long time. So he took a name. His last name's Gimberling, but he took the name Tenike because he likes Dutch stuff. 00:18:08 Speaker 3: That's like an art name, I guess. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like his name. He wanted a new name. He didn't like his family, so he renamed himself and he likes the Dutch. And so this is a te that is made into an E to stand for Tenike. Okay, okay, and then this is becket, which is Latin just for like made this. 00:18:37 Speaker 3: Oh fascinating. Yeah, that's really like a lore he's created for himself. 00:18:43 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and yeah this is some kind of poseidony. I'm holding a staff with a serpent and the waves are licking against my chest. 00:18:55 Speaker 3: And you're looking very sexy. 00:18:58 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, And my dad loves rendering me. There's a lot of sculptures of me as a cherub, wow baby, or like a little like font leroy lord, God, that's my father there. 00:19:15 Speaker 3: Oh okay, like among the carved out or the clouds or what have you. Behind him. You yeah, And then do you know who the rest of these people are? 00:19:26 Speaker 2: I think they would probably be some kind of mythical or biblical people, but I don't know. You'll have to There seems to be a headless woman with bare breasts fondling a some kind of bird, get a puffy bird or something. 00:19:47 Speaker 3: Here it looks almost like a lion. Maybe it looks like it's like, could be a paw is on her. It looks like it's lunging at this headless woman. And and I mean, there's so much going on here. Did you like growing up? Was he just painting you the How did you feel about your dad painting you all the time or creating different versions of you? 00:20:12 Speaker 2: And art ultimately a little overborn? I think when I was young I liked it and took it for granted, and then later I was like, God, this is a lot, right, because you start going like because this was along with like I would overhear him telling people how like perfect I was, how I never broke anything or misbehaved, and so I felt like there was this like image I guess to live up to, right, But then I felt like, you know, I had to spend some time parsing out who I felt I was versus who he felt I was. 00:21:00 Speaker 3: What a fascinating thing to have to figure out. That's so much. Yeah, that's is He's still creating art of you. Yes, And does he send it? 00:21:11 Speaker 2: Do you collect to send your heads? I have a lot of it, Okay, he sends it. There was one he has a carve. I can't I can't even remember between the carvings the ceramics. You know, I had to say no more ceramics at a certain point. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a world object. 00:21:28 Speaker 2: Sometimes they'd be broken and crumbled by Andrea and I. 00:21:33 Speaker 3: I'd like that it's gone from my wife to Andrea, to my Andrea. 00:21:37 Speaker 2: My Andrea, my children, a lot of Greek. You know, her breasts will be out, well, the children will be satyrs children and or like in a hot air balloon and he'll be in a paddle boat. It's you know, it's a it's a it's a large volume of work. 00:21:59 Speaker 3: Right, And are you hanging it up around the house? Is it being stored somewhere? 00:22:04 Speaker 2: It's stored. Like I said, we grew up. I grew up in a tiny little apartment that was like filled with right, this stuff at a certain point, I was like, am I hanging this just because it's here? Or because I like it and would want to hang it? So then I'm not saying I don't like it, But again it ended up feeling like an obligation rather than a pleasant I was like, well, I want to hang things that I choke shooes. 00:22:41 Speaker 3: Right, you've select rather than right, Yeah, because there's only so much room on the walls. 00:22:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:22:48 Speaker 3: What do your kids think about when they get a painting of themselves as half goat or whatever? 00:22:55 Speaker 2: Uh, they's somewhat numb to it at this point. 00:22:58 Speaker 3: How much art is he sending? 00:23:00 Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's a lot, and it's all accompanied by like long cursive you know, descriptions of what he's sent and other things he intends to send, and it's kind of hard to read, and it's just you know it. It's nice, but it also kind of feels like homework. 00:23:24 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, it becomes a little bit of a chore to collect objects and at some point you run out of space. And this is really something you can't Well you could give them away on every podcast you go to, but I could. It's something that just has to stay at your house. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean I've thrown some of it away over the years, but I feel bad. 00:23:46 Speaker 3: I can't imagine the guilt. You should feel very guilty. 00:23:52 Speaker 2: And also he wants to run down like he'll he'll be like did the thing arrive? 00:23:58 Speaker 3: Feedback? 00:23:58 Speaker 2: He wants feedback, he wants like an itemized like would you think of this? Did you notice this? What'd you think of this? So I have to For many years I was like, God, I really have to study this, and now I just go, yeah, yeah, I saw that. I liked it. 00:24:16 Speaker 3: That's so much work. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: It's a lot of work. 00:24:19 Speaker 3: That's crazy. Do you have siblings? 00:24:21 Speaker 4: No? 00:24:21 Speaker 3: Okay, so all the attention is being laser focused on you. 00:24:25 Speaker 2: I was the repository for everything. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: Was he were you his number one muse. 00:24:31 Speaker 2: I mean he would paint himself a lot, and my mother, basically everybody that he knew and loved would would go in. But it's like he's constantly generating, right something, cutouts, cutting things out. I mean, it's all manner of art and craft. 00:24:52 Speaker 3: Does he do it professionally? 00:24:54 Speaker 2: Not really? I mean he has and he wants too, but he's you know, he's a little bit of a starving artist. 00:25:04 Speaker 3: Sure, are you much of an artist at all? Can you paint or anything? 00:25:09 Speaker 2: No? I mean I like to do music and write and act and sure obviously, but I don't really draw or paint. I used to like to draw a little, but I don't know. I kind of feel like I have a friend whose father was a musician, and he almost like you kind of get a blockage there, like he didn't it wasn't interested in music because of that, right, So like I liked drawing, but I don't know, it felt like not my area, right. 00:25:45 Speaker 3: I feel like as a child of an artist or something, it feels very on or off. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of middle ground to just kind of dabble. Yeah, like you either love it or you kind of almost rebel against it or something. 00:25:58 Speaker 2: Also, I saw him generally so much stuff and then it just ended up in a pile of stuff. 00:26:08 Speaker 3: Being sent to an ungrateful song. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, And so I would I knew how much I was glazing overlooking at it didn't feel like a path to the kind of recognition that I was looking for my creativity. 00:26:24 Speaker 3: That's understandable, That's totally understandable. Was your mom and artist. 00:26:29 Speaker 2: No, No, she was a teacher. Okay, what sort of teacher she taught? Well, they met actually at the Lexington School for the Deaf in the wow seventies. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: That's incredible. I didn't realize there was this thing where you were kind of assigned to a job. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: If you were objecting, you had to do a service. Oh. He like officially was like, I don't want to go to war. He had to present to a tribunal or something, and then they assigned him a duty. 00:27:01 Speaker 3: That's fascinating. Interesting, And your mom just wanted to teach there. 00:27:06 Speaker 2: I guess she wanted to teach. Yeah. Ultimately she ended up teaching at a nursery school, and then she became the director of the nursery school. Okay, and I attended the nursery Oh, teacher's bet. 00:27:18 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: I would sneak off and go to her office for hugs. 00:27:24 Speaker 3: That's so sweet, that's very cute. Oh, that's like every parent's stream to be the head of the school, I think, or maybe not. I'm not a parent, but the more I hear from friends and family, I'm like, oh, some time apart is nice. 00:27:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be the head of my children's school. 00:27:46 Speaker 3: This is strange because I just got this painting pretty recently. Oh weather redheaded person? Nice is that nobody knows. Michael Yury brought that he got it in Palm Springs, and it's bigger painting than it's starting to feel like I'm I mean because this painting also has red hair. It's like I'm starting to collect just paintings at myself. 00:28:08 Speaker 2: Felt like a good idea to bring a painting, but. 00:28:12 Speaker 3: It really blew up in your face. Yeah, we'll have to throw this one away. No, I think this is fantastic. It's very very of the moment with the Odyssey. People are people are out there watching the Odyssey. 00:28:25 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, did you see this movie? I did see the audist. 00:28:28 Speaker 3: What did you think of it? 00:28:29 Speaker 2: I liked it, I thought, I mean, I like the story of the Odyssey. It's weird calling it a book, right, And I felt like there were some missed opportunities. Sure, I felt like they say, oh ten years have past, all this time is passing, But I didn't really never feel like a yeah. 00:28:55 Speaker 3: It feels like I could have been a week. 00:28:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly with the like suitors back in Ithaca. I feel like the whole impact of that storyline is just how long they're keeping the suitors at bay. And this just felt like one dinner party right wild night. 00:29:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point. I felt almost no passage of time. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: My hope for Christopher Nolan is that one day he could just tell a story in sequence from beginning no, no, no, no, and that would be you go, here's the beginning of the story, and then we are with the characters throughout the story. 00:29:33 Speaker 3: Beginning and end. Yeah, that would be nice. 00:29:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:29:37 Speaker 3: I haven't seen a lot of his most recent never saw Dunkirk. If I don't see one of his movies in a theater, I'm like, I'm just not I'll never see that movie. Now, why because you want them to? I mean, they're spectacles, But why why are they spectacles? 00:29:52 Speaker 2: Why do we all of a sudden go like, oh, did you see it? In seventy millimeters? You see it? I'm actually, if it's a good movie, you can watch it on your phone, you can watch it wherever. Like if I'm buying like a TV or a monitor or something, I'm going like, oh, what's the refresh rate, what's the aspect rate? You know, what's the what's the usable screen area, what's the you know, resolution and all that. Now I have to worry about that at the theater, like, what what's the refresher rate in the theater that I'm seeing the movie putting that work in. I'm just going to the theater. You take care of it. I'm at the theater, I sit down, you show me the movie. 00:30:32 Speaker 3: I do hate to get into the app or whatever. And they are nine different types of theaters. I could watch the movie, you. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Got the laser, you got the extra, the imax, the reclining seats. 00:30:45 Speaker 3: For me, they're almost all the same experience. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: And people go, oh, the you gotta see an imax because it cuts off you know, if you see it the other way, it cuts it off, cuts off the top and bottom or whatever. I go, why does it do that? Oh because the imax is square? Yeah, well why is it square? Movies are sixteen by nine rectangle with the Imax. 00:31:04 Speaker 3: If they wanted a bigger thing, well, I mean, I guess they just wanted a taller picture. 00:31:10 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't understand. I guess I don't think anybody knows. I think somebody goes, oh, you gotta see it. In Imax and they go, oh, I got It's like with the Instagram restaurants that you got to try this burrito. It's like just because somebody says you gotta see it like this. 00:31:25 Speaker 3: The thing with any type of screen, my I adjust to whatever it is within like two minutes. Yeah, then it's just the same experience. Yeah, except for I was on at third row at Imax for the Odyssey, and you never adjust to being on the third row. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: You're just was it pleasant? 00:31:41 Speaker 3: It was totally pleasant, absolute picnic. My body has never felt better leaving a theater. Just I guess the reason I like a Christopher Nolan movie. Maybe this just speaks to and God bless. Maybe his movies don't aren't that compelling to me. And so unless I'm trapped in a movie theater at home half an hour in, I'm gonna be like, where are we in the timeline? Why do I care? I'm moving on? Whereas a lot of movies I'm happy to watch them home. 00:32:09 Speaker 2: I mean, people were going, oh, Oppenheimer, you got to see it in Okay? No, why they're sitting in an. 00:32:16 Speaker 3: Office in a very small hour office. 00:32:19 Speaker 2: Small side boardroom. You gotta see because you cut off. You can't see their legs under the table. If you don't see it in imax, they're cut off. You gotta see the shoes. You can look from his shoes to the top of his head. 00:32:33 Speaker 3: I mean in that one we have kind of a famous explosion. Yes, but that's a very small part of the movie. The rest of it is very much just like a workplace comedy. Yeah, it's like who cares. I mean, at least with the Odyssey, it's like, oh, this is all going to be some sort of visual something or eye. But again, three minutes in, you're just like I'm watching a movie. It's on a movie screen. 00:32:59 Speaker 2: I like the the you know, the special effect. I like the Cyclops, and I love the Cyclops and stuff. 00:33:06 Speaker 3: There were like little episodes within it that I would love to see again, but I never need to see the whole thing, right, I can, right, The Cyclops is very actually kind of spooky. Yeah, but overall on once it was over, it's like, Okay, I'll go home and nothing has changed in my life. Yes, except I can say I saw the movie now, which I guess is part of it, just being everyone else has seen it. 00:33:29 Speaker 2: He did the Goya painting inspiration for the Cyclops. Oh, I didn't know that. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, son, Oh, interesting a reference to that, so we ripped it off. 00:33:41 Speaker 2: It's like, if you're do in the Cyclops, you gotta do the Goya paint. 00:33:46 Speaker 3: Right because it's very spooky painting, interesting. 00:33:52 Speaker 2: Whatever I mean, it would have been. He would have been remiss if he didn't. 00:33:56 Speaker 3: Do the Goy I would have called him out. 00:33:58 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:33:59 Speaker 3: I feel very lucky that, like audio wise, visual wise, I can't notice much of a difference in anything, because there are people who are like who have to have such crystal clear audio or like such perfect picture. 00:34:11 Speaker 2: I don't. 00:34:12 Speaker 3: I can do you know, fairly middle ground stuff, and I'm happy with it. 00:34:17 Speaker 2: You're saying you could watch a movie with poor audio. 00:34:20 Speaker 3: Like fine audio some people you know to be an audio snob. Seems like hell to me. 00:34:26 Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing with the IMAX. The camera is so loud that they have to like. 00:34:30 Speaker 3: They have to go, they have to do all the stuff they put it in a case or something. 00:34:34 Speaker 2: They have to put in a case. They have to like denoise the audio or like or I know, I've never cared about Imax. 00:34:44 Speaker 3: You're taking a stand. I don't think anybody cares about IMAX as much as they want you to believe. Yeah, and I think people should go to movies, of course. I think going to the movie theater is great and wonderful and it's a struggling business. So but uh, I don't think it makes that much of a difference for anyone when they're watching an IMAX movie. 00:35:05 Speaker 2: I don't know why it would. 00:35:08 Speaker 3: I really don't. The things that people are apparently noticing are things that just absolutely go over my head or wouldn't have even occurred to see in the movie, Like what the bottom on the top of the screen. Yeah, there's only so much. I don't want to be looking around to the screen while watching the movie. I want to just watch the movie. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: People are really like dogs with social media and all this time. I feel like it's just like if they get told that they're missing something, they like start getting frantic, like they would know, you know, a composition of a shot in a thing like like you wouldn't not like anybody would fucking notice the like you know, no bottom of a screen, like oh you know, but did I miss? Did I miss the bottom of Telemachus's knees? Like it's fine. Who cares. 00:35:57 Speaker 3: If somebody hadn't said before, you've never would have even thought of it. That's the world for living in. 00:36:02 Speaker 2: It's very like I don't want to miss anything. And then but we make the stuff that we make is designed to make people feel like they can't miss. 00:36:14 Speaker 3: It, right, well, and when you make something, you don't want anybody to miss any part of it. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't want them to be excited about it simply on the grounds that they have a false sense of exclusivity in seeing it a certain. 00:36:31 Speaker 3: Way, creating their little club because they noticed something. Yeah, that's such irritating behavior. And it's a way to kind of just ruin things for yourself. Yeah, looking for every single thing and essentially just disassembling it in order to tell people you noticed something. 00:36:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:48 Speaker 3: Well, there's no solution. It's I mean, the genies out of the bottle and we're all just trapped in the system. So I don't know what to say. 00:36:58 Speaker 2: Ah, I don't know. I think we can find our way out of the system. Well, I think time, Okay, I think time will tell you know. I think you make movies in entertainment a certain way for a long time and then people get bored of it, and then you make it a different way, and right, you know, right. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: You just have to sit through it and wait for it either totally collapse or for people to get bored. Yeah, well I've got this beautiful little painting. Now I think we'll we'll have to find a place to keep it. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, So is this your dedicated recording room? Yes? So nobody else comes in here? 00:37:38 Speaker 3: No other podcasts do come through here? 00:37:40 Speaker 2: And is this stuff here when they know? 00:37:42 Speaker 3: The wonderful crew sets it up when I'm here? 00:37:45 Speaker 2: So what happens with all these gifts when you're not here? 00:37:49 Speaker 3: I forget about them? 00:37:51 Speaker 2: But where do they go? 00:37:52 Speaker 3: I don't want to know. They go in some sort of case and vanish from my life. Now? 00:37:58 Speaker 2: Is this going to go in your garage? Or is this this is going to stay in the studio? Yes, this is a temporary place you've leaned it for now clearly. 00:38:06 Speaker 3: Well this feels this could be right? 00:38:09 Speaker 2: I yeah, but anybody move you moved? Yeah, that's not You're going to have to make some space. 00:38:14 Speaker 3: Probably either going to go on this shelf behind you here? 00:38:18 Speaker 1: I like that. 00:38:18 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Where would. 00:38:20 Speaker 2: You like it to be I think maybe just right where that painting is, maybe just right in front of it. It's kind of a good featured spot. 00:38:31 Speaker 3: What would be your number two choice? 00:38:34 Speaker 2: Maybe right over there in front of those pictures, in front of that stuff. 00:38:38 Speaker 3: This could use a refresh, I think so. So we might move some of this around and this will be the new part of the studio. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Okay, this I don't like just because I can't see it right. 00:38:48 Speaker 3: That's been kind of looming behind you this whole time. 00:38:51 Speaker 2: What's the pooh? 00:38:52 Speaker 1: Is? 00:38:52 Speaker 2: Through red nick po. 00:38:55 Speaker 3: That Rob Hubel brought that And it's a toilet plunger that shoots or make a gun noise. That cool shaped like a rifle. Yeah, it's a cool thing to happen any home. 00:39:05 Speaker 2: I snaked at my toilet today, Oh you did. I bought a snake a couple months. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: Ago because the pipes were clogged up. 00:39:14 Speaker 2: Yes, because the toilet was clogged and it was so persistent a plunger wouldn't work. 00:39:21 Speaker 3: Wow, that's a real toilet issue. 00:39:23 Speaker 2: And we thought, should we call a plumber? They're going to charge us one hundreds of dollars to snake it? 00:39:30 Speaker 3: Right? 00:39:32 Speaker 2: Is it possible that I could just buy my own snake. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: You you can buy a snake. 00:39:39 Speaker 2: Cost this one was like sixty bucks. 00:39:41 Speaker 3: Okay, so now you can get into like recreational snaking. Snake toilet's all over the globe. Was it disgusting snaking it? 00:39:50 Speaker 2: Uh? Today it wasn't. The This is the second time I've used it. The first time it was more disgusting because it was a more feces based flag clog. And this clog was I put a like a like a bleach tablet in the toilet, and but it was it didn't break, it was solid. It kind of got stuck in there. And then I told people in my family, Hey, don't use the toilet until this thing dissolved. One member of my family did pretty quickly was ship into the toilet and then put paper in there. So then it needed to be oh god. 00:40:44 Speaker 3: Being a parent, fascinating experience. Well now you have the snake. 00:40:49 Speaker 2: I have the snake, but you gotta you know, it's gross. 00:40:52 Speaker 3: And where do you keep the snake afterwards? 00:40:53 Speaker 2: In the shed? Okay? 00:40:54 Speaker 3: That makes it. 00:40:55 Speaker 2: I spray it with the hose dry sitting there and then I bag and put it in that. But it's heavy. 00:41:01 Speaker 3: But it's heavy. 00:41:03 Speaker 2: It's like it's like a thing and inside is like a coil, like a almost like a tight spring kind of thing with a little bulb end and you can you like push down on the handle and it extends into the pipe and it has a crank where you go right to break stuff drill into the matter there. 00:41:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like most people should own a snake at some point. 00:41:36 Speaker 2: They should. It was something that I felt like you just couldn't own unless you were like a bonded plumber or something. But you can. 00:41:44 Speaker 3: Interesting, where did you order it from? 00:41:46 Speaker 2: Amazon? 00:41:47 Speaker 3: Amazon sell snakes? Yeah? Oh my god. 00:41:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. Amazon's great. They'll sell you anything. They'll get it there quickly. 00:41:56 Speaker 3: And I have no complaints about the company whatsoever. I'm strictly pro. I think we should play a game. Okay, I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:42:12 Speaker 2: Six. 00:42:13 Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating to get some game pieces. You can recommend or promote or do whatever you want with the microphone for a minute. 00:42:21 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on Twitter at gimber licking at gimber sucking on Instagram, but I never post, but I will collaborate. I'll promote, collaborate, but my posts otherwise aren't interesting or frequent. I'm in a movie called All That She Wants that's premiering at the Toronto International Film Festival in September, so go to Toronto and check that out. I do voices in the show Crepopolis and Mating Season, so you should watch those, but look up the ones that I'm in because those are the ones that I get residuals for. Let's see, I wrote a movie with my wife Andrea that we're trying to make, but we don't have financing or anything. So when we make that, I encourage you to come see it because it's really funny. I just got AT and T fiber and it was it's this. 00:43:31 Speaker 3: Has been sneak at and T commercial the entire time. You're just biting your time. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: Let me taste of it. It's the same speed one gigabit as the spectrum spectrum had edged up to one hundred and thirty one dollars of Oh my god, these guys AT and T. You're charging me thirty WHOA spectrum was coaxial. This is fiber. This is fiber optic speed a light. 00:43:55 Speaker 3: Thirty bucks a month. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: My download speed didn't improve much, but my upload speed went through the roof. 00:44:02 Speaker 3: That my upload speeds the problem. 00:44:04 Speaker 2: What's your upload speed currently? 00:44:06 Speaker 3: Bad? Everything takes forever. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: I was at forty or so megabits per second. Now I'm up to two three hundred. 00:44:15 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Wow, thank you at and T. 00:44:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: Company, that's uh, we're both making a lot of money from they're writing a check now. 00:44:25 Speaker 2: I don't even care. I mean they're they're they'll give me such. 00:44:28 Speaker 3: A keep your eye on the bill. Yeah, they'll sneak it up. That's what's happened to me in Spectrum. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: They said it might go up in a year, but I should call them and insist and they'll put it back. 00:44:38 Speaker 3: The fact that, like the people working in the company are like, we're going to try to rip you off. Call us and we won't rip you off. It's so crazy. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: It's the new customer service is the employee protects you from the company. 00:44:50 Speaker 3: It does feel like customer service. People now are like, yeah, I hate being here and I hate the company. Here's what you need to do. 00:44:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think they're allowed a certain amount of leeway or do they just take liberties? 00:45:02 Speaker 3: That's a good question. I wonder if it's I think it's leeway. I think these companies are also like, well, we need people to work here. But it does feel like a lot of customer service people are much more on my side at this point because everyone's just like, well, things are just so awful. I don't want you to get ripped off either here, so let me keep you from being cheated by AT and T. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: And that's nice. And there's a new kind of egalitarian community forming. 00:45:29 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's really uniting us in an interesting way. Okay, we're going to play two games. This first one is a little faster. It's called invite list. I'm going to start naming celebrities. You're going to say invited or not invited. Once we get to ten, that's your party. You can say why why not? 00:45:50 Speaker 2: You don't have to I'm the eleventh, you're the eleventh. 00:45:54 Speaker 3: Yes, you're the host. Does that make perfect sense? 00:45:57 Speaker 2: It does? 00:45:57 Speaker 3: Okay, great, John Travolta. 00:46:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, Mark, he seems cool. 00:46:05 Speaker 3: Martin Lawrence, why would I not. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: Have any of these people at the party? They always sound great? But I don't know how many? How many are you gonna list? Hundreds? 00:46:13 Speaker 3: It's up to you. Once you get to ten. 00:46:15 Speaker 2: Martin Lawrence. No, I think his best days are behind him. 00:46:20 Speaker 3: Julie Chen Moonvez is that she's. 00:46:23 Speaker 2: Less Moonvez's well, she's a former news anchor. 00:46:27 Speaker 3: I think host a big brother less moon Vezu's wife. 00:46:31 Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know her. Mike Myers, the Murderer or. 00:46:38 Speaker 3: The a random list of names, and I saw that. I trulate. The first person that popped into my mind was the murderer. 00:46:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, then the murder. 00:46:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go with the murderer. Do you want Mike Myers the Murderer? 00:46:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay yeah. 00:46:50 Speaker 3: Keanu Reeves, Yeah, he seems great. 00:46:53 Speaker 2: He gets up on the subway. They always want to show you the video of when he like, lets somebody else sit down on the subway. 00:47:01 Speaker 3: What if that's the only nice thing he's ever done? 00:47:03 Speaker 2: He's don't you feel like there are certain celebrities that are promotionally nice guy It's like their thing is. 00:47:09 Speaker 3: Like rye, right, yeah, you hope that, you know, you hope Keanu is a nice guy. But it might all just be for shure. Why is he on the subway? That's my first question. 00:47:20 Speaker 2: Because he's so humble, Because he's a humble. 00:47:22 Speaker 3: It's all very suspicious. Because the moment, I didn't need to be on the subway anymore. I'm not going to be on the subway anymore. 00:47:28 Speaker 2: But if you were a celebrity and anything you did out in public, you noticed, it's so easy to do nice things. It's so easy to just walk into the subway and know that somebody's going to film you and be like, hey. 00:47:42 Speaker 3: He's on the subway doing kind of bare minimum nice things, just having manners. 00:47:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think celebrities get too much credit for being nice because. 00:47:52 Speaker 3: It's easy, it's extremely that's what you should do. 00:47:55 Speaker 2: But also you know you're going to get recognition for it, especially because you're a celebrity. All right, so we uh but yeah, I'll take him. 00:48:03 Speaker 3: Keanu's coming, Michael Caine. 00:48:06 Speaker 2: Michael Caine, Now is he still alive? 00:48:08 Speaker 3: See? And this is the thing with random list of celebrities again, I'm like, we get into some of these people where we think, is that person alive? 00:48:15 Speaker 2: I like Michael Cain, but I think he would just be sitting there. I don't think he would be so active. 00:48:20 Speaker 3: I mean we did just kind of question whether or not even alive. So maybe leave him at home. I don't think I'll take him, okay. Naomi Campbell. 00:48:29 Speaker 2: Naomi Campbell. 00:48:32 Speaker 3: Now she's kind of mostly famous at this point for throwing things at people. 00:48:36 Speaker 2: Right, I don't think she doesn't seem that. I don't. I don't know what I would talk to her about. 00:48:41 Speaker 3: Helena Bonham Carter. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, she's kooky, very kooky. Yeah, I like her. 00:48:47 Speaker 3: Millie Bobby Brown. 00:48:49 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I would have a great conversation with her. 00:48:53 Speaker 3: Taboo from the Black Eyed Peas. He's the third Black Eyed Pea. That's not Fergie or will I. 00:49:01 Speaker 2: Am, No, no, no, enough about Taboo. Also not you know their music was you know, I wasn't. 00:49:12 Speaker 3: It wasn't your favorite. 00:49:13 Speaker 2: I don't. It's not the kind of party I want to have. 00:49:17 Speaker 3: Lena Dunham. 00:49:22 Speaker 2: No, I feel like I know I get. 00:49:25 Speaker 3: It right, right. Chip Gaines, you know who this is? She had a homer modeling show with his wife called I can't remember the name. They were doing it in Waco, Texas. 00:49:38 Speaker 2: Is he like a Sico or a like a loser? Okay? No, Los Garth, you could have been a huge. 00:49:46 Speaker 3: Oh that was Chris Kane. Chris interesting. Every party he rocks. Okay, Now we've got Joanna Gaines. This is the wife of the person you just didn't invite, so no. 00:50:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take herr Yeah, the marriage is probably on the rocks. 00:50:07 Speaker 3: Okay. Earl Sweatshirt, who's that? He's the rapper like he was originally part of like with Tyler the Creator and Frank Ocean. Very interesting rapper, good. 00:50:20 Speaker 2: Great strap wrapper, great rapper. 00:50:22 Speaker 3: But you don't know him. No, don't invite him. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: No. 00:50:25 Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos, Yeah, okay, I'll take him. 00:50:29 Speaker 2: I want to go to space. 00:50:32 Speaker 3: People do anything to get to space. 00:50:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to do space. I feel like he would like give me free prime. 00:50:37 Speaker 3: Too, Right, buying this toilet snake was your first step to getting too space? 00:50:42 Speaker 2: Jet Lee jet Lee, Yeah, because he could. Probably you'd probably do some tricks and stuff. Right, he'll jump off the wall, and I don't want to mess up my house. Is the party at my house up to you? No, I want the party at like indoor like parkour places. Then Jetley can. 00:51:02 Speaker 3: A trampoline park. 00:51:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, perfect. Candice Bergen, Oh yeah, I used to love Murphy Brown. I watch Murphy Brown with my mom and dad. We all love Murphy Brown. She's great, She's great. She's the daughter of Edgar Bergen who had it was a ventriloquist. Charlie McCarthy puppet wow, you know the classic like puppet looking. 00:51:31 Speaker 3: Right right, kind of spooky one. 00:51:34 Speaker 2: She played Morgan Lefe and she did King Arthur movie or something. 00:51:41 Speaker 3: I love Candace ang Lee and Okay, I don't want to artful director. Okay, Nicki minaj. 00:51:56 Speaker 4: No. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: Courtney Kardashian, she's she's the like, don't ask me. She's the taller, she's the oldest, tallest one. 00:52:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, I take all right, that's nine. 00:52:14 Speaker 3: Oh, that's nine. You've got one more. Eddie Murphy. 00:52:17 Speaker 2: Who's after Eddie Murphy? 00:52:21 Speaker 3: The big question? 00:52:22 Speaker 2: I mean, I love Eddie Murphy, but no, no, I want to see I want to hear it. I don't want to. 00:52:25 Speaker 3: Harley Ray Jepson, Warren Buffett, No, Freddie Highmore. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: Who's that? 00:52:32 Speaker 3: Freddy high Moore is the Good Doctor? What the doctor? That was several seasons on ABC. I don't know. Don't ask me any more information than that. He's kind of a British actor. I have no other information for you. 00:52:46 Speaker 2: Is that like The Good Wife? Is it related to that? 00:52:49 Speaker 3: I don't think it was in the same good universe. Okay, Brian Adams No, No, Ronda Rousey No, is that how you pronounced her last name? 00:52:58 Speaker 2: I think so. 00:53:00 Speaker 3: Bree Larsen, Rose McGowan, No, Alyssa Milano. No, Christine Baranski. 00:53:09 Speaker 2: Christine Baranski is in the movie that I that's going to the Toronto filming. Wonderful. She's great, But so I have hung out with her, so I want to keep going. I would invite her, but I want to keep going, right. I don't want to insult her, but I want to keep going. 00:53:25 Speaker 3: Jody Foster. 00:53:26 Speaker 2: Now, I'm just curious about who's next? 00:53:28 Speaker 3: Sorry? Now four hours? 00:53:33 Speaker 2: How long is this list? 00:53:34 Speaker 3: It's endless, so long. I've been typing in celebrity names for a very long time. 00:53:38 Speaker 2: At this point years will you never say Jody Foster again? 00:53:43 Speaker 3: Future I'll cut this and drop it to the bottom of the list. Probably years from now Jody Foster will pop back out. 00:53:48 Speaker 2: Okay, how long do you plan to be doing this podcast the. 00:53:50 Speaker 3: Rest of my life? Okay, as long as they'll let me. As long as people are like you know, are like actively revolting against the podcast, I'll keep doing That's great. 00:54:00 Speaker 2: Okay, Who's next? Who else? 00:54:02 Speaker 3: Lana del Rey No, no, Roseanne Barr. 00:54:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take. 00:54:07 Speaker 3: The you've decided to ruin the party. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: I want to see if she still has corn road she had. 00:54:15 Speaker 3: Is that a recent thing? 00:54:17 Speaker 2: No, there was maybe like ten or twenty years ago where she was doing. She was doing like kind of like a ska reggae kind of thing. 00:54:26 Speaker 3: Roseanne Bar remember when. 00:54:29 Speaker 2: She was like she sang the national anthem at a baseball game and it was funny how bad a singer she was. And then she was doing kind of like a bad singing. 00:54:36 Speaker 3: I thought you were mixing her up with Gwen Stefani. No, she kind of had her own Gwen Stefani moment. Yeah, I wonder if she had Harra Juku girls. Interesting. Well, that's a great party. I think that's gonna be the time of your life. So it's oh yeah, Elis, will you read that list back to us? 00:54:54 Speaker 5: Of course, John's party includes John Travolta, Michael Mike Myers, Janny Reeves, Helena Bottom, Carter, Joanna Games, Jeff. 00:55:05 Speaker 3: Bezons this is a suicide cult. 00:55:08 Speaker 5: Jently, Candice Bergen, Courtney Kardashian, and Roseanne Bar. 00:55:16 Speaker 3: I want nothing more than for that to actually come true for you. 00:55:19 Speaker 2: I feel like I'll be hanging with Keanu. Yeah, most of it. 00:55:23 Speaker 3: Right, that's a I would be bouncing from person to person, just small snippets of conversation because I wouldn't want to be really cornered by a lot. 00:55:31 Speaker 2: Of these people, right, especially Michael Myers. 00:55:34 Speaker 3: Michael Myers, that could be tough. How is he at a dinner dinner party? Mike, take the mask off? Stay awhile. Okay, we're gonna play a game called Gift or a Curse. I'm gonna name three things. You tell me if they're a gift to a curse and why. Then I'll tell if you're right or wrong because there are correct answers. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: You're gonna name three things and then I give my answer you at a time. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: Okay, all right. This first one is suggested a listener named Melinda. Gift or a curse fruit in coffee drinks. 00:56:03 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, Like. 00:56:05 Speaker 3: I like, to be honest, I don't really know of fruit. 00:56:08 Speaker 2: I guess I think that would be a curse. Why when I think about what I like about coffee, chunks of fruit don't appeal to me. I mean, if I were allowed to choose my own words. I don't know if I would say curse as much as just not my preference. But yeah, what are we talking about. 00:56:32 Speaker 3: I just like to get some idea about it, and I am still I'm not getting enough answers. So you're correct, though, this is a curse. This makes no sense to me. I do think we're hitting a level of desperation as far as innovating coffee. I think like we hit the ceiling and now people just don't know where to go from here. 00:56:53 Speaker 2: I mean we have so many you know, you have like a crim bruleat kind of thing. You have cinnamon, you have vanilla, chocolate, pistachio. Yeah, you have all the macha you know stuff. 00:57:07 Speaker 3: But they people keep trying to think of new ways to do coffee. So I guess maybe they're dropping fruit in it now or. 00:57:15 Speaker 2: Talk about like notes of fruit, like oh this is interesting because I like that orange or like a berry, right. 00:57:22 Speaker 3: I mean, as far as Melinda's concerned, she just said fruit and coffee drinks. So I'm just picturing like strawberries floating around in my coffee. 00:57:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I want I think that's a curse. 00:57:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't work. Okay. This is from a listener named Annie. Gift or a curse. When an automatic door doesn't open until you almost run into it, that's a gift. 00:57:43 Speaker 2: Why, Because I think we are in danger of taking for granted the ease in which we can move through the modern world, and so many simple things are are you know, like the mechanisms of an automatic door are beyond our understanding for most of us. So I think to learn to appreciate, you know, where the laser beam is that you have to break to open the door, and how it works, and where you have to be and don't have the expectation that it's going to open in time or fast enough. You know, I've almost walked into automatic doors that we're opening but simply weren't opening fast enough. You know. 00:58:31 Speaker 3: Oh sure, because you're busy, busy, busy. 00:58:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you want to believe that you can walk right through and it'll open for you, right. And this is what I'm talking about with people's expectations, Like you're walking towards an automatic door, and you want to believe it's designed to have a frictionless entering of the building, right, So you want to believe that you're going to be treated to the ideal experience, which is you don't have to slow down, you don't have to pay attention to anything. You just keep walking. You could have your eyes closed even you're going to pass through the door, and you get used to that enough you feel like that's the way things should be, right and that you're entitled to the ease of walking through an automatic door. And there are no guarantees. 00:59:23 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, that is a gift. First of all, the grocery store doesn't know you anything. Yeah, as someone who is doing some climate crimes at home, I think it's a more efficient you know, I'm glad that it's more efficient. The ac is not leaking out of the store. It's only opening when it absolutely has to and then it's closing again. Yes, So I think that that's a for me. That's helping shrink my carbon footprint. Great, and I appreciate it all right. This final one is from a listener named Jeff. Gift or a curse when a party is somewhere that has bad parking. 00:59:55 Speaker 2: When a party is somewhere that has bad parking, well, I can't think why that would be anything but a curse. A party is trouble enough to conceive of going to and getting ready leaving the house for me is terrible. If it's a party, you know, there's social anxiety, there's all that, But really the worst part is just the transiting there, the idea of like not being able to be in my house anymore, you know, So that first step outside the door is terrible, and then walk to the car just awful. And then when you're in the car you're like, Okay, I'm kind of getting used to it, but I well, no, wait a minute. If the difficulty in parking provides a little bit of extra buffer time to kind of ease into the idea. 01:00:56 Speaker 4: Of the social situation, yeah, but if it's in like a bad part of town, man, I think it's a curse. 01:01:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a curse. I think it's better to just rip off the band aid and get there and. 01:01:14 Speaker 3: Wrong what you were getting. You were kind of talking yourself into the correct answer there for a minute, and then you shied away from them. 01:01:21 Speaker 2: You think the buffer zone is good? 01:01:23 Speaker 3: I love first Yeah, the buffer zone's amazing. It gives you some time. Second of all, I can make hours of small talk out of how difficult it was for me to park. I will talk to everybody at the party about what I've just been through, Right, I don't have to think of something to talk about. 01:01:41 Speaker 2: Now, What about like one of these hill parties where like there's not even the hope of parking for like several fathoms up or down the hill. 01:01:50 Speaker 3: Right, for me, that speaks to Okay, so this person's got a lot of money there, They've got a house in the hills. So now I can really make them feel bad. Right, parking was terrible. I had a terrible time parking. I've just walked up the hill and it's a little uh ammunition I get to take into the party. 01:02:09 Speaker 2: But they know the parking is going to be bad, and they think that the recompense is what a great party they're throwing, Right, it's gonna be worth it. So it's almost a show of their arrogance, how great they think their house and party is that they would dare to invite dozens of people. 01:02:30 Speaker 3: They should be busting people up. Yeah, if you don't have a good parking, you should be busting. 01:02:35 Speaker 2: People or the valet. Get the valets that disappear the cars somewhere, Right. 01:02:40 Speaker 3: That's the cost of owning a home in the hills. 01:02:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:02:43 Speaker 3: Sorry, well you got that one wrong. I don't know what to tell you. 01:02:47 Speaker 2: I got the other ones right. 01:02:48 Speaker 3: There got two out of three. That's not too bad. 01:02:51 Speaker 2: People usually get them all right. 01:02:52 Speaker 3: No, I think most people landed about two out of three. Some people have won. Some people have lost it completely. That's always embarre, but that's usually out of panic because they start second guessing themselves. All right. People are writing into I said no gifts at gmail dot com kind of just begging for answers. Will you help me answer an email? Yes, okay, this is Bridger and guest. What should I ask for on my thirtieth birthday at the end of the month. I feel spoiled year round by my boyfriend, my parents and brother and even my boyfriend's family. I'm simply out of ideas, but I know you will come up with something good. That's from Clarissa. Clarissa's getting apparently just spoiled year round, but she's coming up on a big birthday. What do you get for the person who's even the brothers getting her gifts year round. It just feels like a strange family dynamic to me. I'm just going to. 01:03:48 Speaker 2: Say that I would recommend maybe like a gundam, like a toy, like a like a Japanese like an exciting your roboty, but like a model kit that she can put together apply decals to. I've had luck with those in the past. It's a fun activity. Not as expensive as Lego. 01:04:09 Speaker 3: They are less expensive than Lego. Some of them interesting because those are from what I'm picturing, always seem very There are all sorts of little pieces. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: They range in value, of course, but your typical gundam is going to be, you know, thirty to one hundred bucks. You know you have to you have to take off the plastic you have. It's more care that you have to do. You have to take the pieces. 01:04:39 Speaker 3: I remember these model kits. 01:04:40 Speaker 2: You have to break them off. There's lots of tiny stickers. The instructions are in Japanese. You feel accomplished when you figure it out. They're highly articulable, like you can bed their toes and their fingers. 01:04:53 Speaker 3: And dress them up, put a little shirt on them. 01:04:57 Speaker 2: I guess you could sew a shirt of an appropriate size. 01:05:01 Speaker 3: I don't feel like I've ever seen a gundam in Nicotas Street clothes. It's true, people should start making clothes for Gundams. Little dress. 01:05:11 Speaker 2: I think it's undressed, like a summer picnic dress for a Gunda. 01:05:14 Speaker 3: This floey dress. Yeah, that's a market that has not been tapped into yet, and I think that that's a huge hole that somebody's got to figure out. You can make a lot of money sewing dresses for Gundams. 01:05:29 Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. 01:05:30 Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's kind of actually the perfect thing. I can't imagine Clarissa owns a Gundam. 01:05:36 Speaker 2: She doesn't seem like the type of person that owns a Gunda. 01:05:39 Speaker 3: It feels like there's you know, there's never a better time to start with a Gundam collection than at thirty. This is a new chapter of her life. Yeah, she's lived thirty years without building a model mech and now for the next decade, you can kind of dedicate herself to that. And that'll also ease all of these people giving her gifts. They'll say, oh, you know what, Clarissa wants another Gundam, Yeah, or some clothes. 01:06:04 Speaker 2: First, clothes for the Gundam, or accessories, a little hat, yeah, a bike. 01:06:10 Speaker 3: See, wow, I'm like, I'm thinking about the whole Gundom economy now, and it feels like it has not been exploited. They've got to have bikes, they've got to have little dollhouses. 01:06:20 Speaker 2: Newspapers, newspapers. Well, giant house, I mean a gunda house. Yeah, they have fairly larger than a human building. 01:06:28 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, but it feels like that's a new type of section that these robots haven't really been exposed to yet. Well, we answered the question perfectly, or you did? I mean that was such a very good pull for this thirty year old. I feel like that really speaks to any thirty year old. 01:06:47 Speaker 2: Well, I recently acquired a Gundam myself. 01:06:50 Speaker 3: A first Gundam. 01:06:53 Speaker 2: I know, I dabbled as a kid. But then we went to little Tokyo a few months ago. Is that what it's called? Yes? Here, Yes, and I got a Gundam. Then we actually went to Japan a few weeks ago. 01:07:05 Speaker 3: Oh, and I. 01:07:06 Speaker 2: Saw there was a whole store with all. 01:07:09 Speaker 3: Did you get a Gundam there? That's a hard thing to carry home. 01:07:12 Speaker 2: I'm over it now, but there was like they're like full metal, hundreds of dollars. 01:07:19 Speaker 3: Very authentic to what a robot. 01:07:21 Speaker 2: Would be yeah, and I was like, should I get four hundred dollars like all metals, super detailed gundom? Do I love it that much? Or am I just in Japan? And it turns out I was just in Japan. 01:07:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that happens there. Yeah, next time you go to Japan. 01:07:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could order it online or you. 01:07:40 Speaker 3: Could order online. But you're getting toilet snakes. Well, I've got my beautiful addition to the studio here. 01:07:49 Speaker 2: Thank you. Sorry, it's another painting, but I think it's your best one. 01:07:54 Speaker 3: I hope that that the art collection could kind of go through the roof on this podcast. Maybe this will be a new thing bringing in art. You never know. I've had such a lovely time with you and I you thank you for being here. Listener. The podcast is over and I I'd love for you to do something else with your time, so figure it out. I love you, goodbye, I said no Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Holliday. The theme song is by miracle Worker Amy Mann, and we couldn't do it without our booker Patrick Coottner. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said, no gifts, that's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts? Invit? 01:08:50 Speaker 2: Did you hear? 01:08:53 Speaker 1: Fun? 01:08:54 Speaker 3: A man? 01:08:54 Speaker 1: Myself perfectly clear? And you're I guess, Tom, you gotta come to me empty? And I said, no, guest, your own presence is presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me