WEBVTT - The AT&T Story - Part Three

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<v Speaker 1>Get in Touch with technology was tex Stuff from house

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey then, everyone, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>text Stuff. I'm Jonathan Strickland and I'm Lauren and we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to conclude our mega epic series on A

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<v Speaker 1>T and T, the the company that UH that could

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<v Speaker 1>because it was the only one that could and uh

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<v Speaker 1>which the government had something to say about several times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in our last episode we concluded with the two,

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<v Speaker 1>which was the end of the jurisdiction between the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice and A T and T. The ruling was

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<v Speaker 1>that A T. T had to divest itself of the

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<v Speaker 1>regional operating carriers, the bell companies that had so so

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<v Speaker 1>so that was that was when mob Bell split into

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<v Speaker 1>several baby bells. Yeah, they were all I think there

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<v Speaker 1>was something like seven regional major regional operating carriers and

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<v Speaker 1>A T and T. The The deal was that A T.

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<v Speaker 1>T was getting out of the local telephone business and

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<v Speaker 1>concentrating solely on on providing service for a long distance

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<v Speaker 1>as well as getting into the burgeoning computer industry, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be very important or will be very important

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<v Speaker 1>for this current episode that we are about to embark ponds.

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<v Speaker 1>This is uh. I titled this in my notes as

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<v Speaker 1>part three getting to the bit that we're in now,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm great at titles. So that brings us up

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<v Speaker 1>to three. When A T and T opens the first

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<v Speaker 1>commercial cellular telephone system in the telephone system, that was

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting emphosis on that salable in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago under Ameritech, which was soon to be divested

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<v Speaker 1>from A T and T according to those rules that

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about laid down in the nineteen two settlement

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<v Speaker 1>of the antitrust lawsuit, but at that time in Merritech

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<v Speaker 1>was still under A T and T. Because again, it

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<v Speaker 1>takes time to actually act upon these these judgments. So

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<v Speaker 1>here we have the first cellular telephone system for commercial use,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, this cellular approach was uh something that

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<v Speaker 1>really made mobile telephones possible because if you remember from

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<v Speaker 1>our last episode, A T and T had created mobile phones,

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<v Speaker 1>but they would connect to a specific radio antenna and

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<v Speaker 1>you had to be within range to use it, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you moved out of range, that was it. Your

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<v Speaker 1>call would just end. Um. Cellular telephones had a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of towers that would allow you to move within and

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<v Speaker 1>out of range of various towers. There was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a handshake and electronic handshake involved where you would continue

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<v Speaker 1>to get service even as you moved out of one

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<v Speaker 1>tower's operating area into another. And all of this technology

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<v Speaker 1>was thanks to advancements that came out of a T

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<v Speaker 1>and T Labs. Basically that it's it's that that handshake

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<v Speaker 1>that Jonathan is is talking about. You know, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>the cells automatically transfer call from one tower to the

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<v Speaker 1>next as as a caller moves through them. And yep,

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<v Speaker 1>that came out of what was formerly or I guess

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<v Speaker 1>currently at that very moment still Bell Labs, but would

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<v Speaker 1>very soon become a T and T Labs. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's um one of those one of those crazy develop

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<v Speaker 1>elements that gives us the ability to use technology the

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<v Speaker 1>way we do today. Just imagine if we had not

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<v Speaker 1>come up with that, if a T and T had

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<v Speaker 1>not come up with it, and let's say that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it had been delayed several years, we'd be in a

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<v Speaker 1>very different world right now. So it was pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that that same year, a researcher at a T

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<v Speaker 1>and T named Beyond Strew Strip which I'm sure I

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<v Speaker 1>mispronounced this name. Turn they did not look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even write his name in my notes because

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<v Speaker 1>I was unwilling to try to pronounce it. He debuted

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<v Speaker 1>C plus plus. Yeah, yeah it was. It was so

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<v Speaker 1>much better than C it got two pluses. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>C plus plus is an object oriented programming language that

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<v Speaker 1>came out of the Bell Labs development laboratory. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a little more redundant. In January one four, it's early, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>So in January one that's when Bell system ceases to

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<v Speaker 1>be Yes, this is the official end of everything that

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<v Speaker 1>that needed to end according to those agreements from right.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we've gotten the boy where A T and

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<v Speaker 1>T is divested of those other companies and is its

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<v Speaker 1>own entity. UH. It retains long distance operations as well

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<v Speaker 1>as the R and D labs and manufacturing, so all

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<v Speaker 1>of that belongs under the umbrella of A T and T.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all that local services handled by those seven

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<v Speaker 1>divested regional building brakes companies and UH that year, Equal

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<v Speaker 1>Access Carrier Selection begins, which is a ruling by the

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<v Speaker 1>FCC said that all telephone customers should be given a

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<v Speaker 1>choice as to which long distance company they would use

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<v Speaker 1>when dialing long distance numbers, so uh that you know, now,

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<v Speaker 1>the regional operating companies, even though they used to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of A T and T, could not give A

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<v Speaker 1>T and T preferential treatment. They could not say, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the company that you have to use if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to make long distance. They had to give you

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<v Speaker 1>open access to all competitors. So A T and T

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<v Speaker 1>at that time also begins to lower long distance rates.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and they said that. They said that it was

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<v Speaker 1>improvements in their infrastructure that lowered costs and that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>them to lower the rates. Really, what I think was

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<v Speaker 1>happening was that because as they had I mean A T.

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<v Speaker 1>T went from having nearly a hundred and fifty billion

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<v Speaker 1>in assets before the breakup to thirty four billion after

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<v Speaker 1>after this mob Bell to baby Bell break up, which

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<v Speaker 1>is sevent drop an asset value, which is pretty alarming

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a giant company. Um and so, so competitors

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<v Speaker 1>at the time like Sprint and m c I were

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<v Speaker 1>pricing to undersell A T and T pretty seriously. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys might remember some of the commercials that were coming

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<v Speaker 1>out around that time of just the crazy backbiting price

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<v Speaker 1>war stuff that was going on. And remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>m c I was the company that had led the

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<v Speaker 1>charge against A T and T back in the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>that eventually evolved into that antitrust lawsuit. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, A T. T said that it's because of

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<v Speaker 1>improvements in service, but in reality, I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>say that this was so that they could remain competitive

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<v Speaker 1>now that it was more of a level playing ground

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<v Speaker 1>in the long distance space, and if they didn't lower

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<v Speaker 1>their prices then they had a real risk of losing

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<v Speaker 1>their customers. The you know, these these two competitors and

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<v Speaker 1>and others as well, would would take huge gnawing bytes

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<v Speaker 1>out of A T and T over the next several years.

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<v Speaker 1>But um nonethless would see a six increase in long

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<v Speaker 1>distance calling between now and now being over the next

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years. So, you know, long distance was still a

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<v Speaker 1>very major thing because wireless didn't exist. We hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to a post long distance world. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the last time I was charged for a long

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<v Speaker 1>distance call that wasn't say, an international call. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about two thousand one for me. Wow, So did everyone

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<v Speaker 1>just move near you? Or was that when things changed?

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<v Speaker 1>That's when I got a cell phone? Oh got you

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Yeah, that's about when I did too. I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe a lot earlier. It's hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to remember years ago by so quickly. Alright, So between

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<v Speaker 1>four and nothing happened. Actually, I just didn't find anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought was its uff happened. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fin anything I found particularly noteworthy to add in my notes.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go to excellent. That's when A T and

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<v Speaker 1>T lays down the tapped eight, the T a T eight,

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<v Speaker 1>which was another transatlantic telephone cable. This one made a

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<v Speaker 1>fiber optics Yeah, so across the Atlantic obviously, and could

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<v Speaker 1>carry ten times the number of calls the earlier copper

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<v Speaker 1>cable could handle. Now remember the originally we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, copper cable able to handle thirty or forty

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<v Speaker 1>calls at most. The earliest one is only able to

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<v Speaker 1>handle one at a time. By this time, so you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>ten times the number, why is it like so it's

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred calls. No, by this time they had improved

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<v Speaker 1>the technology significantly. We're talking forty thousand simultaneous calls. So

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<v Speaker 1>when all of your buddies want to call all of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, each other across the pond. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>makes it possible without getting a signal saying sorry, all

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<v Speaker 1>lines are busy. Uh. In eight T Labs began working

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<v Speaker 1>on hd t V, specifically on the kind of high

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<v Speaker 1>speed signal processing problems that arise when a computer needs to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, receive de code and display a large amount

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<v Speaker 1>of data in real time. But this is pretty impressive

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who are HDTV enthusiasts. Here in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, HDTV had a fairly late start. It

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<v Speaker 1>got earlier start in Japan. Uh, and it took a

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<v Speaker 1>while for there to be an agreed upon set of

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<v Speaker 1>standards guiding h d t V because obviously you need

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to have all the different players involved

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<v Speaker 1>working on those same set of standards. The delivery of

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of the signal needs to be correct. The

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers need to be working on a similar approach. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was very early on. Then A T and T

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<v Speaker 1>was looking at this is saying this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a thing. It's not a thing now, It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna be a thing for maybe ten years, but

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<v Speaker 1>we need to work on it now. It would also

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<v Speaker 1>turn out to be pretty forward thinking for them, because

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<v Speaker 1>they would wind up getting pretty seriously into the cable

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<v Speaker 1>industry in just another few years, right forward, thinking hand.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I love that phrase. Bell Labs also

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<v Speaker 1>was working at that time on a speech actuated manipulator

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<v Speaker 1>also known as SAM oh right, Yeah, and that that

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<v Speaker 1>would that would become kind of important in another couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years as well. Yeah, it's kind of neat. This

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<v Speaker 1>was like an early approach to trying to create a

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<v Speaker 1>robot that could respond to natural language commands, so things

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<v Speaker 1>like turn left or lower your arm, that kind of thing. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just really the early days sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a proof of concept to create robots that could do.

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<v Speaker 1>This also meant that they were working very hard on

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<v Speaker 1>improving just natural language recognition, which is that's incredibly difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to teach a computer that, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>can say the same command a hundred different ways. For

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<v Speaker 1>the computer to be able to interpret all one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of those variations as a single command and differentiate it

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<v Speaker 1>from every other command is phenomenal. Yeah, especially in English,

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<v Speaker 1>which is pretty messy in really wonderful ways. When we

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<v Speaker 1>start being an idiom, that's really like wave it around

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<v Speaker 1>like you just don't care that robot is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have some trouble. First of all, it doesn't care. Robots

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<v Speaker 1>don't care. They don't care. They don't that robot program

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend to care. Yeah, that's about as good as

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<v Speaker 1>we can get. I mean it's yeah, I've known some

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<v Speaker 1>people that way too, so I'm not going to speak

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<v Speaker 1>down to robots too much. Um. Now, moving on to nine,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when A T and T acquired in CR Corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a computer manufacturing company. I think with this

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<v Speaker 1>they were really hoping to start hopping that that software

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<v Speaker 1>hardware divide or or I guess it's the networking hardware

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<v Speaker 1>divide more so they again we're looking forward to too, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to really get in that, but I mean that that

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the things that they were allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>do now after that two judgment. Uh, and this was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a real serious move into that space. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>In two, they unveiled the Voice English Spanish Translator or VEST,

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<v Speaker 1>which was first developed back in but it was first

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<v Speaker 1>unveiled in ninety two, so they're still working on those

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<v Speaker 1>improvements to voice technology. He could recognize about four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>fifty words and around a billion different combinations. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way it would work is that you would speak into

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone. The software would first attempt to identify what

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<v Speaker 1>language you are speaking, either English or Spanish. At that point,

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<v Speaker 1>when it had identified the language, it would then translate

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<v Speaker 1>what you were saying into the other language, so English

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<v Speaker 1>and Spanish or Spanish to English via text. What it

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<v Speaker 1>would do is break down your sentences into little basic

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<v Speaker 1>component parts and then translate those component parts, which anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who has done any translation knows is not a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>full proof way of translating, because sometimes if you break

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<v Speaker 1>a sense down, you can involve multiple parts of a sentence, again,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in English, where your ward order is not perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>as structured as it might be in other languages. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to see this in action, just because

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<v Speaker 1>it again is tackling one of those fundamentally difficult problems

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<v Speaker 1>for human computer interaction. In A T and T merged

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<v Speaker 1>with maccaw Cellular Communications Incorporated, which at that time was

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<v Speaker 1>the largest provider of cellular service in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>So that acquisition eventually means that the the entity that

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<v Speaker 1>was McCaw Cellular Communications becomes A T T Wireless along

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<v Speaker 1>with another company will mention in a bit, But that

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<v Speaker 1>same year, A T and t also introduced the Model

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<v Speaker 1>seventy video phone. Yeah, that was kind of a video

0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.760
<v Speaker 1>teleconferencing hardware. And you know that they had had such

0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.880
<v Speaker 1>rousing lack of success with their picture phone that that

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<v Speaker 1>but but but they realized that people were more willing

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<v Speaker 1>to do this a and an work environment and be

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<v Speaker 1>on a computer than they were on a phone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was allowing simultaneous video transmission, so that it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of predecessor to the video software we used today

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<v Speaker 1>for things like Skype or other Google hangouts, those kind

0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of video hangout things. It also would allow some limited

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<v Speaker 1>use of letting, like the person who's calling you manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>files so you can open the files within it and

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<v Speaker 1>have so it's kind of like a video conferencing system

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<v Speaker 1>very early on, So pretty impressive considering. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's we're still talking like this is still

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<v Speaker 1>the very early days of the Worldwide Web. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you out that that really hadn't even launched till nine two.

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<v Speaker 1>So seeing some video communication stuff in ninety three was exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I can remember the first time I ever

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<v Speaker 1>saw any kind of video communication. I remember exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing. What what were you doing. I was

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<v Speaker 1>at the Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow or EPCUT as

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<v Speaker 1>it is called now it's no longer known as its

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<v Speaker 1>full name. So they used to have these consoles mounted

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<v Speaker 1>on columns where you could walk up to the consoles. Yeah, hello,

0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.120
<v Speaker 1>touchscreen interface, You press a button and then you would

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<v Speaker 1>get greeted by a cast member who would ask what

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<v Speaker 1>what you needed, and you could ask them anything that

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<v Speaker 1>had to do with the parks. Eventually you could do

0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.959
<v Speaker 1>things like even uh, dining reservations. That way, you could

0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.040
<v Speaker 1>say I would like to eat at Mexico at noon,

0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and they would they would make that Mexico being the

0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:13.400
<v Speaker 1>pavilion in the World Showcase. It wouldn't. Actually now we

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<v Speaker 1>still don't have that technology. I'm waiting on it. I wouldn't.

0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't put it past Disney to just have that

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<v Speaker 1>in the back pocket. But yeah, but it must have

0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.480
<v Speaker 1>been right around this same time, all right, right in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineties, right, speaking of names no longer meaning

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<v Speaker 1>that long drawn out thing that they used to mean

0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.080
<v Speaker 1>in that's when A T. T legally changed their name

0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.000
<v Speaker 1>from the American Telephone and Telegraph Corporation to just A

0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.240
<v Speaker 1>T and T Corp. Or corporation. I mean the corporation

0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.680
<v Speaker 1>stays the same, Yeah, but it was just a T

0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and T. So now it's as telegraphs were no longer

0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a thing. Kind of like when you look at certain

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.680
<v Speaker 1>names that used to mean one thing. Now it's just

0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the initials. So you might ask, like, what does AMC mean?

0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.400
<v Speaker 1>And it used to me in American movie classics. Now

0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.360
<v Speaker 1>it's just a m C. That's just the name. So,

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of thing. So moving up to n IF,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when a T and T restructures into three separate companies.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of them is a T and T. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the services company. It's the one that we all know

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<v Speaker 1>and are familiar with. The second one becomes Lucent Technologies.

0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Now that is a products and systems company. Uh, it's

0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:22.160
<v Speaker 1>really kind of a manufacturing company for certain types of electronics.

0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.080
<v Speaker 1>And the third is a computer company that returns to

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<v Speaker 1>the NCR name. You know, they purchased NCR just a

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<v Speaker 1>few years earlier, and Loosen and n c R eventually

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<v Speaker 1>both spin off as their own companies. Uh. The following year,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, we got a little bit more we want

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<v Speaker 1>So it's back to nineteen nineties six. That's when the

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<v Speaker 1>Telecommunications Act of nineteen becomes law. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to make a joke about how they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>call the Telecommunications Act of nine the Telecommunications Act of

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<v Speaker 1>but it published in nine and they thought it would

0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:28.640
<v Speaker 1>confuse everyone. But then I realized I made that joke

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<v Speaker 1>in the last episode. Well good, I'm glad that you're

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<v Speaker 1>growing as a host. Thanks. Yeah, it doesn't stop me

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<v Speaker 1>from making jokes, It just it just it just prompts

0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:42.080
<v Speaker 1>me to explain why I'm making the same joke. Twice.

0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm I'm lame. It's okay, I've dealt with it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this so this act was an FCC attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate the industry to promote greater competition. Right, yeah,

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.720
<v Speaker 1>again it was yeah yeah, because again it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was a growing industry. This is another example of how

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<v Speaker 1>technology evolves faster than the legal system can necessarily handle.

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<v Speaker 1>So we get these big leaps in technology relatively speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the legal system says, you know, this has

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<v Speaker 1>outgrown the parameters for what we had envisioned because the

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<v Speaker 1>technology can do more than what we what it used

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to. Right. Previously, you know, cable and

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<v Speaker 1>telephones and data had all been very separate, and this

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<v Speaker 1>brought them all under one umbrella. Right, So similar to

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<v Speaker 1>how we see cable companies that do both the transmission

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<v Speaker 1>of data and they provide some of that data as

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<v Speaker 1>in they create content that would also become you know,

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<v Speaker 1>another challenge that that we're still struggling with today because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's getting very messy. If one person

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<v Speaker 1>owns all the roads but allows everybody to play on

0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.560
<v Speaker 1>those roads, net neutrality is maintained and everyone's happy, but

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<v Speaker 1>if everyone owns all the roads and also owns a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the busses that go on those roads, and

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<v Speaker 1>then decides to let those buses get the express lane

0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and everyone else gets the slowly, that's when you start

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<v Speaker 1>getting into problems. So the Telecommunications Act of nineteen was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a predecessor to some of the acts and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the proposed legislation that would follow to try

0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and maintain net neutrality. Um, and of course that's like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, that's a battle that's still ongoing to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when A T and T signs a merger agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with T c I, which was a cable company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were also working at the time on converting their

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<v Speaker 1>entire network from analog to digital data delivery. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen, if you remember from our last podcast, this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually when that final electro mechanical switch was switched

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<v Speaker 1>over to computerized switch. I bet there was a big ceremony.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that electro mechanical switches enjoying retirement. But A T.

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<v Speaker 1>T also went back to the consumer local telephone business

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<v Speaker 1>because it introduced a residential service in New York. So

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<v Speaker 1>first time A T and T gets into the local

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<v Speaker 1>telephone service since it had divested itself of those regional

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<v Speaker 1>bell companies back in two right. Um, they also complet

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<v Speaker 1>did that merger with t c I and started looking

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<v Speaker 1>to acquire a second cable company called Media One. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really serious about now. And they also rolled out

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<v Speaker 1>the largest DSL initiative in the industry for broadband customers.

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<v Speaker 1>I was never a DSL customer. I was always a

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<v Speaker 1>cable modem customer. But I've got a lot of friends

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<v Speaker 1>who used DSL for both voice and data, and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was a big deal back then. Oh sure. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, long distance revenue was decreasing for a

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<v Speaker 1>T and T at a rate about twenty each year

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<v Speaker 1>due to these these changes in the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>world was working, in the way that people were accessing

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<v Speaker 1>information and telecommunications, and uh so, you know, they were

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<v Speaker 1>although they were working and they had spent some hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars on acquiring these cable TV companies, they were

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<v Speaker 1>still pretty dependent on long distance as as a profit,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they were kind of they were kind of stared. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had to look at other means of generating revenue

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<v Speaker 1>because with the the threat to long distance looming and

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<v Speaker 1>getting getting worse each year. They knew that if they

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<v Speaker 1>were to have any viability as a as a any

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<v Speaker 1>type of company, let alone a major, enormous company, they

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<v Speaker 1>had to get into new types of business. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, terror is a great motivator, as it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, and they they really doubled down on the

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<v Speaker 1>broadband approach and it ended up paying off big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in that year, in A T and D started

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<v Speaker 1>research into something one of my favorite subjects because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy and wonky. Quantum computing. Yeah, so there's been

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<v Speaker 1>all over A T T Labs looking into quantum computers. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We've mentioned quantum computers in earlier episodes of tech Stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but just to let you guys know, they are crazy, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>So your basic computer relies on binary uh computer language,

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<v Speaker 1>which are zeros and ones. Your quantum computer relies on

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<v Speaker 1>those are also known as bits. The quantum computer relies

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<v Speaker 1>on cubits. Now a cubit theoretically um actually I guess

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<v Speaker 1>really because there have been quantum computers built, they just

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<v Speaker 1>don't last very long. A cubit can act in superposition,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that it's both zero and one and all values

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in between at the same time simultaneously. So theoretically you

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<v Speaker 1>can use a significantly powerful quantum computer. It has to

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:19.400
<v Speaker 1>have a certain number of cubits for this to be viable,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can use a a powerful quantum computer to

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<v Speaker 1>solve certain types of problems much more quickly than you

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<v Speaker 1>would with a classical computer. Not all problems would be

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<v Speaker 1>great in a quantum computer, but if it's a problem,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, trying to figure out which two enormous prime

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<v Speaker 1>numbers were multiplied together to get this particular product, a

0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.919
<v Speaker 1>quantum computer can do that way faster than a classical computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Classical computer might take hundreds of years to solve a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly difficult problem. A quantum computer might do it in

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<v Speaker 1>a in an hour. And it's all because it's able

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<v Speaker 1>to solve I'm oversimplifying, but it's able to solve multiple

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<v Speaker 1>versions of the the problem all at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and then assign probabilities to which one is the correct answer.

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<v Speaker 1>So A T and T was looking into that as

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<v Speaker 1>early as n so two thousand. Uh all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now they've got the acquisitions of T C I and

0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Media One, which makes A T n T the largest

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 1>cable company in the United states. Um, the service is

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<v Speaker 1>called A T and T Broadband, and a T and

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<v Speaker 1>T itself reorganizes again into three major companies. So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a T and T, A T and T Wireless,

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and a T and T Broadband. And uh, that's also

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<v Speaker 1>the year when data traffic overtakes voice traffic on the

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<v Speaker 1>A T and T network for the first time. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Not surprising, but I'm sure now there's way more data

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>than voice. Has to be overwhelming at this point. Even

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:45.360
<v Speaker 1>though these these acquisitions of T C I Media one

0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>were really terrific for A T and T and moving

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 1>them in in a direction that the company thought was

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>going to be really great. That they spent over a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion on those acquisitions, and they had kind of

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:58.560
<v Speaker 1>gone into debt in order to do so. Um. You know,

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 1>the company was in a little bit of trouble and

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.360
<v Speaker 1>they were hoping by by separating out into these three

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.280
<v Speaker 1>separate services that they were going to be able to

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 1>isolate that debt and also you know, hopefully raised some

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>funds on the stock market, which the folks running the

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>stock market kind of picked up on. They sort of

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>saw through this clever plan and UM and the company

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>would wind up losing another hundred billion of market value

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.439
<v Speaker 1>over the next couple of years UM. So, so the

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 1>company was not doing I mean, it was moving in

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 1>interesting ways, and I think that, you know, doing clever stuff.

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>But in the long term the moves they made were

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>good choices. But in the short term it meant that

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>they suffered quite a bit because you know, we were

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.679
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about how a T and T it was

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>built on the foundation of long distance telephone service. When

0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.879
<v Speaker 1>that stops becoming a way of generating significant revenue, it

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:58.399
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily matter if your company has diversified, uh, if

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone still identifies your company as being a long long

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 1>distance service provider. Right. Also, you know, up until that point,

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 1>they had been they had been depending on long distance

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 1>profits to drive the company. But but long distance was

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 1>losing revenue um at a rate of each year. Yes,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 1>so it was obvious that they had to start really

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>investigating other opportunities. So this broadband opportunity was a chance

0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.679
<v Speaker 1>for them to kind of really shift major gears in

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>what their company is all about and remain a viable

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>company because I mean, you know, fear is a great motivator.

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>As it turns out, if you're scared, then you you're

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 1>willing to try some some pretty uh, pretty radical things. Yeah,

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 1>and in this case, they really went in broadband, and

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.800
<v Speaker 1>it turns out that it wasn't you know, it wasn't

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a bad idea. In fact, two thousand also was the

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>year when a T and T saw more data traffic

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>than voice traffic on their network. It was the first

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>time that had ever happened. I wouldn't be surprised if

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>that is, you know, obviously multiplied many times now because

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 1>look at the enormous amount of data that transfers through

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>whether and your calls aren't usually taking up quite as

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>much as like YouTube video and you've got you've got

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>file transfers. I mean that that takes up a lot

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>of space. So I'm sure that that might have even

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.959
<v Speaker 1>been the last year that they saw, you know, or

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe the last year they saw voice traffic being greater

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.719
<v Speaker 1>than data traffic. Would not be surprised. Two thousand one, however,

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that's when a T and T Wireless becomes an independent company.

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>It spends off from a T and T. Uh, it's

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a it's initial public offering, which you know is is

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>stock market terms for for going public and selling shares.

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like a debutante ball for stock like that. It

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.840
<v Speaker 1>was the largest I PO in American history at the time. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>big deal. And also that was the year when Comcast

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 1>offered to acquire a T and T broadband, and a

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>T and T said, you know what, we will accept

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:58.439
<v Speaker 1>your kind office, sir, thank you. UM all all of

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 1>this hullabaloo over over, you know, kind of diverging and

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.919
<v Speaker 1>trying to split stuff up and manage their debt didn't

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>prevent innovation. Later that year, their customer service system, how

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 1>may I help you debuted more natural language more natural

0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>language stuff, which I think is probably the point that

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to come to with all of these

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>previous natural language related I mean, maybe not the specific point,

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:21.760
<v Speaker 1>but they were like, hey, you know what would be

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>really useful for this um as an excellent application. So yeah.

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>The idea is that when you call in, you get

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 1>a automated response. So it's not an actual quote, real

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>human being on the other end, uh end quote. It's

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>rather a kind of robot. But they try and have

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>as realistic a synthetic voice as possible, and the goal

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>is to allow the customer to use whatever language that

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>he or she needs to express the problem they're having

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>and then it can respond to that. So instead of

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 1>having you wait through a menu where you know, for

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>telephone service, press one, for a cable press two, you

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>know that kind of thing, you would just say, you

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>can hypothetically just talk to the robot and I could

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>just be things like, uh, you know, when I call

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>usually it's early in the morning, so there's things like

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 1>cable down fixed, now fire bad. Personally, I kind of

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>missed the days when I could just punch buttons and

0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.879
<v Speaker 1>not have to pretend to talk to a robot. I

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of get angry when I talked to rot I

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 1>wind up yelling at them. The fact that we're able

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>to get Lauren and in front of a microphone at

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:29.600
<v Speaker 1>all is a miracle. Every week, uh mostly involves applying

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>her with chocolate. Are you suggesting that you are a robot? Oh? Yeah?

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 1>And so the company also launched Natural Voices, which is

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that synthesized voice program. So it was a combination of

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>the natural language recognition software and this new synthesized human

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>voice that was meant to be as close to a

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>natural voice as possible, so it doesn't sound like you're

0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>speaking to a robot or someone who puts the wrong

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>embossis on the wrong salabl um. I don't know if

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you've ever had one of those calls where it's like, hello,

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>thank you for calling service, you know, on Tuesday. Yeah,

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just weird. So you know, getting that to be

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>more natural obviously creates a better customer experience for most people,

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I would say. Of course, they were also around that

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>time working on a bunch of greater greater network related issues.

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand two, they rolled out yeah new optical

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>network which was the idea of the optical network was

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to decrease the problems that would arise in the event

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.959
<v Speaker 1>of a natural disaster or a massive failure. So it's

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of a response emergency response for an infrastructure, meaning

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>that if there were say a hurricane hitting the Eastern

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Cboard and the phone lines went down, this would help

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>them respond faster to get that repaired and return service,

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>which is obviously important for any kind of emergency situation,

0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>so very important, and then work. They also worked to

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>branch out as an enterprise networking company. Before they had

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 1>really been marketing their their electronics and computer services to

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the average consumer. Now that We're thinking, you know, there's

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 1>huge market in the enterprise world where we can we

0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 1>can market directly to other large companies and say, let

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>us handle these systems for you. We know what we're doing,

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>we're experts in this field, and give us money the

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>end of that sentence. But yeah. Two thousand three, Uh,

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>they rolled out the voice Tone product, which allowed customers

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to speak with computers using natural language. So very similar

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to them may I Help you, but this time this

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>was a product that you could get if you were

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>an enterprise, for example, and you needed to have that

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>same sort of capability. So something that have been developed

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>for in house a T and T use or at

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>least within their customer service department. Yeah, it's an actual product.

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Always a good idea if you are able to create

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a usable system for that that's modular

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>that other people can use in their own networks. Uh.

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Two thousand four, they introduced Voice over Internet Protocol or

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>VOID for customers. This obviously is allowing you to make

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>voice phone calls over Internet protocol. So it's using that

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>same packet switching kind of software that uh, your regular

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Internet traffic uses, but for voice trend uh. Voice communication. UM,

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>I had friends who had voipe call like telephones voice telephones,

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>which were The idea was that, you know, using the

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>data service was sometimes a cheaper alternative to using voice

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>service like regular voice lines. The there are, or at

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>least there were some drawbacks with void phones, especially early days,

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>involved like if you were to dial in NUM, it

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't necessarily know to route that call to the closest

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>center because yeah, because it it would be over Internet protocol.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Not Yeah, I might make a call, Yeah might. I

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>might make a call in Atlanta and get Tucson, which

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>is terribly helpful if my house is on fire, unless

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>my house happens to be in Tucson, in which case

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I'm in Atlanta making that call.

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Come me neither. Yeah, you know, you know, stranger things. Um.

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Also in two thousand four, company acquired a ten T

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>wireless that would be Singular, which was owned by a

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>little company called SBC, which is going to become extremely

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>important in the next year. Yeah, yeah, why don't we

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>just go ahead to two thousand five? So SBC, alright, SBC.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Now this is one of those companies again that had

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:37.600
<v Speaker 1>named itself after its initials. So Originally SBC stood for

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 1>something not just not just those letters, right, Yeah, that

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>would be Southwestern Bell Company a k a. It was

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the baby bells that split off way back

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>in two. It started out as the smallest baby bell

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>but um but under the lead of a man named

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Ed Whittaker who had been working for Southwestern Bell all

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>his life. UM through through a whole lot of a

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>very sad the mechinations of his to bring the company

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>into all of this data in cable and et cetera

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>stuff that A T and T is was trying some

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>very wise acquisitions and some very wise other baby bell acquisitions,

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>meeting them become the largest baby bell. Yeah. That two

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>decision that was handed down to divest A T and

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>T of all these properties. Uh, you know, the intent

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 1>was to try and break up these monopolies. SBC had

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 1>been growing year over year and acquiring some of those

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>bell operating carriers. Uh. So, the while it avoided a

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>monopoly with A T and T at that moment, it

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of ended up sort of creating at least, if

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>not a monopoly, a mega company in SPC. And then

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand five, SBC, you know, plays the trump

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 1>card by acquiring A T and T. So the the

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>sub company has now become the parent company, although they

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 1>then chose to change their name to A T and T.

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Right um. And this was only a sixteen billion dollar transaction,

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>And I mean I feel very silly saying only next

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>to sixteen billion, but considering what A T and T

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>had been worth in the past, that was a pittance.

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean this this was an indicator of how poorly

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the company was doing at the time. By the way,

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>if you feel that I am worth only sixteen billion,

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>I'll take it right now and do whatever podcast or

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>not do whatever podcast you want me to, all right.

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's uh. In fact, you know what I'm generous.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 1>You get two for one eight billion apiece. All right.

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.320
<v Speaker 1>So one of A T and T's former regional carriers

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.320
<v Speaker 1>acquired A T and T. That's the story here. It

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>reunites those companies. So now we've got long distance and

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 1>regional reunited formally. Keeping mind A T. T had already

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>gotten into regional calls again starting with that New York market.

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>And UH SBC is now A T and T Incorporated,

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.959
<v Speaker 1>and the company owns around eleven of the twenty four

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>bell system companies. Now, keep in mind, regional operating carriers

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.560
<v Speaker 1>were a kind of representative of larger buckets of companies.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.879
<v Speaker 1>So twenty four total out of the you know that

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 1>fell within the seven regional ones, A T T now

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>has eleven of those twenty four backs. So it's not

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 1>as big as it was before the judgment was handed

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>down in that case, but it's it's big. It's big again.

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It actually kind of amazes me. I didn't come across anything.

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really dig deep enough, I think, but I

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't come across any news items about whether or not

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 1>there was there were any alarms raised over the fact

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>that SBC, a former you know, part of A T

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and T, was now going to acquire A T and

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 1>T and therefore partially negate this judgment. I didn't see anything,

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>but then I would imagine there had to have been

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>some I I imagine that they had their eye on

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the situation, and I mean they can't not have. I mean,

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the federal government is all up in a ten T

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>s fries. Yeah. Yeah, and especially recently. I mean it

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.880
<v Speaker 1>it's but it's kind of funny because we've had this

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>story multiple times. We've done three podcasts about a T

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and T and the story of a T T getting

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>really big in the government stepping in and saying, hey,

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>let's take a look at this, guys, has happened several

0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:16.759
<v Speaker 1>times already. UH, don't know when we're gonna learn that lesson,

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Anyway, let's let's move on to two thousand seven. Well, okay,

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.439
<v Speaker 1>what one more important point for two thousand five, which

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>is going to lead directly into two thousand and seven,

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>is that around this time, Steve Jobs began working with Singular,

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 1>which again UM part of SPC, to develop the iPhone

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and features specifically for it, right and then and that

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>that agreement included a five year exclusivity agreement, meaning that

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Singular would be the only carrier to carry the iPhone

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>for five years, right and uh. In addition to that

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like roughly ten percent of iPhone sales and stores a

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>slice of Apple's iTunes revenue um and this was all

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 1>for the development money that Singular Labs was providing, and

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>also um for a for a new a new feature

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>called visual Voicemail, which would become the consternation of many

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 1>human people several years later, um and uh and and

0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:14.359
<v Speaker 1>revenue sharing agreement that would work out to about ten

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>bucks a month for every iPhone customers a T and

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>T or singular at that time bill right, So then

0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>SPC acquires a T and T, SPC becomes a T

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and T Incorporated, which means that the deer becomes a

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>T and T essentially again. So that means that the

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 1>iPhone in two thousand seven, when it premiers and blows

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody away, Steve Jobs up there on that stage and

0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>showing off this gorgeous device that everyone didn't know they needed,

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and now we're convinced that absolutely they needed this right now.

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Gosh darn it, um would go exclusively in the United

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>States to a T and T, which was a huge

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 1>boon for them. I mean that it was you know,

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to really put into into words how influential

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>the iPhone has has been, because even if you don't

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 1>own an iPhone, if you want a smartphone, the iPhone

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>has influenced that design obviously. I mean a lot of

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>the design elements that you see, while they may not

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>be a you know, you might not say, oh, they

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 1>copied Apple. Maybe they went very much other way to

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>not copy Apple, but that means that the Apple influenced them.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's pretty amazing stuff. And of course, I mean,

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I remember the craze that went out when the iPhone

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>came out. Me I was like, I'm gonna wait a

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>few more months because Android's coming, and uh and so

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I did. I waited it out and got myself an

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Android phone. My wife has an iPhone and we fight.

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:43.359
<v Speaker 1>That's a different podcast. UM two seven was also the

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.600
<v Speaker 1>year that A T and T announced that that wireless

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>services were going to be the main focus at the company,

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>And I mean that was kind of obvious following their

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 1>huge investment of the inphone. In hindsight, we can definitely

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>say it's obvious. But keep in mind that before the iPhone,

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 1>and while wireless was finally becoming important because everyone was

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 1>adopting cell phones, smartphones had not really taken off in

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the United States and the consumer market at all, and

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>no one could have predicted how big they would become

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>so shortly, right, so that that was a very wise

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of move on their part. You know, some people

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 1>might say it was a little late on their part,

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>but I think considering that there was no way of

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 1>knowing at that time what was going to happen, it

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>was it was the right move, and and you know

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>they would spend seventy billion on acquiring Spectrum and on

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>building out wireless networks in the next three years alone,

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.799
<v Speaker 1>So they were pretty serious about it. Yeah, although if

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you lived in New York or San Francisco, you had

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot to say about that A T and T

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>service in those early days on the iPhone. I don't

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 1>live there, but since we work in technology and a

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of our peers work in San Francisco and New York,

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 1>we were bombarded with complaints heard heard a bunch about

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that one. UM. Also in two thousand and seven, as

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 1>a side note, at At At Whittaker announced his retirement from

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>A T and T. He would go on to UM

0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>basically turn General General Motor Company around from its bankruptcy

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and I always find it very admirable

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to see people who are just incredible leaders move on

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:10.400
<v Speaker 1>from one position to another, not even necessarily for for profit,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>but because they like the challenge of taking a company

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 1>that's struggling perhaps or maybe just not performing up to

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>expectations and really turning it around. I always find those

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 1>stories interesting, especially I kind of I kind of want

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 1>to look more into into this into this dude because

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>he was, um, you know, he started as an industrial

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>engineer and and worked in engineering before he moved all

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the way up through the company to become its at CEO.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>That's also a phenomenal story because what weo could and

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>we hear all those stories about people who just come

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 1>out of business schools and go into leadership roles without

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.760
<v Speaker 1>having actually worked in the rank and file of various companies.

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>It's always fun to have. Maybe we'll put that atlticer

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:51.479
<v Speaker 1>down as a potential person to cover in a future episode. Um,

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>all right, well let's take another quick break to thank

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>our sponsor. Alright, So two thousand and seven, we've got

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.359
<v Speaker 1>that a T and T with the iPhone owned. They

0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 1>have the exclusivity deal, which would not last uh five years,

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you wouldn't be two thousand twelve before the iPhone

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>was available on other carriers in the United States. It

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 1>would actually be two thousand eleven. Do you have anything

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>between twenty Alright, So nothing happened in two thousands eight

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 1>nine or two universe ceased to exist briefly. We all

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 1>just took a break, you know, we were all you know,

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they're watching television or something. Two thousand eleven rolls around,

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and a T and T s exclusive hold in the

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 1>iPhone in the United States ends. Uh. And also a

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 1>T and T makes a move to acquire a rival

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 1>cellular company, T Mobile. Yeah, and that one, in fact,

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 1>would get the strong attention of f CC, Yeah, and

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Justice, as it turns out. And so

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.640
<v Speaker 1>so I remember hearing about that, and immediately my response

0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 1>was please, no, no, no, no, never. Why Because a

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>T and T and T Mobile, while you know, A

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.880
<v Speaker 1>T T the second largest cellular service company in the

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>United States, the first being Verizon, third is Sprint, and

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the fourth is T Mobile. Now, A T and T

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 1>and T Mobile both work on the same general technology

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 1>for cellular service, whereas Verizon and Sprint work on the

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.800
<v Speaker 1>other one. So the one that A T and T

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and T Mobile uses as the one that most of

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the world uses. And I thought, well, that means that

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>while it looks like your choice is only going down

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>from from one and four to one and three for

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the major carriers, keep in mind they're smaller carriers in

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>the West, and the major carriers, your choices go down

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>from one and four to one and three and effect,

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.640
<v Speaker 1>it really meant that if you wanted that particular type

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of technology where you could theoretically be able to use

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 1>your phone in other parts of the world depending on

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>how your plan worked that out. Um, you only had

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 1>one choice if A T and T were to acquire

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>T Mobile, at least one major choice that had a

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of support in the United States. So I was

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 1>very much against it. I was not the only one.

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>There were lots of people that were just leading the

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>charge against this potential merger. A T. T and T

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Mobile would meet with the United States government multiple times

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>to kind of give testimony as to why they thought

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 1>this was a great idea. A T and T claimed

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.360
<v Speaker 1>that this would create thousands of new jobs, whereas the company,

0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the organizations and parts of the government that were opposed

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to this said exactly the opposite, that it was going

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>to end up eliminating jobs. UM, particularly in in various

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>regions of the United States where they had major operating

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>centers that they were afraid would shut down as a

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>result of this this merger. So yeah, it was a

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>big deal, um approximately thirty nine billion dollar deal. UH

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Sprint launched a project called No Takeover, so Sprint sprints

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 1>like you know, guys, I know we're not directly involved

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in this merger, but we would be directly affected by it.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's why they launched a campaign to raise awareness

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.439
<v Speaker 1>and to to get some more traction against the move,

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and the U s Department of Justice and the FCC

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 1>opposed the deal. E T and T would eventually withdraw

0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the deal right around the end of twent beginning of

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 1>and the Department of Justice actually said, we feel the

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 1>combination of A T and T and T Mobile would

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.720
<v Speaker 1>result in tens of millions of consumers facing higher prices,

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:17.439
<v Speaker 1>your choices and low quality products for wireless services, which

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>uh I think in the tech bis we call a

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>sick burn. Uh yeah, So the merger does not go through,

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 1>it it falls through. Now this was a big deal

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 1>because we also were talking about T Mobile's parent company

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in dire financial straits and so, but T Mobile was

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.279
<v Speaker 1>operating independently pretty much already at that point. Anyway, it

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.359
<v Speaker 1>was just a question of who was going to buy

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it up or was it going to just continue to

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 1>be um, you know, sort of a self sustaining entity.

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and twelve, uh A T T gets

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 1>sued again by the United States Department of Justice. The

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice alleged that the carrier intentionally neglected to

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 1>authenticate users of the IP relay service. That's a tool

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that was used by or it is used by people

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>who have hearing impairment. Uh. The way it works is

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>they can type in messages and a communications assistant reads

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:16.359
<v Speaker 1>the message out loud to a caller. So it's kind

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of a you know, it's a service so that someone

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>who might be deaf or unable to communicate in a

0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>way that that most people could understand could contact a

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>middle person who would relay the information. Well, the problem

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 1>with this approach was that scammers were starting to use

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:38.320
<v Speaker 1>it as a means of getting around um laws that

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that would prevent them, like they would end up like

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>let's say you've heard, of course, of the Nigerian scam.

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>The idea of this person who is has shares your

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 1>last name but does not have a direct relation to you,

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 1>has died and there's all this money that I want

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the country and just for a

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 1>small cut of the money, I will let you have

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the lion's share of it. I just need you know,

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.919
<v Speaker 1>ten dollars to transfer it. But but but put forth

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit first, Yeah, so that I can, I

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.719
<v Speaker 1>can do the thing. It's all scam right. So it

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>turns out scammers were using the the IP relay service

0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to try and target people, and so the f C,

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.479
<v Speaker 1>c UH and the d o J both had kind

0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of what A T. T said, we're conflicting um directives

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>because the FCC said, if you're a carrier, you have

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 1>to support this service because otherwise you are not servicing

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the hearing impaired community. The Department of Justice said, you

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>have to verify the identity of the people who want

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to use this service so that you aren't allowing scam

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.560
<v Speaker 1>artists to target victims. And A T and T said,

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.360
<v Speaker 1>what are we supposed to do? We're stuck in between

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 1>these two directives where we have to give this, but

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>we also have to do that. And Department of Justice

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.839
<v Speaker 1>was sent saying essentially, we don't buy it. You just

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>have to figure out way to verify this. Yeah, you

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>gotta you gotta have a verification system um and from

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>one I have and seen any resolution to that. So

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that that particular case may still be

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>ongoing as of the recording of this podcast. If it

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 1>has resolved, I could not find any information. That's one

0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>of the problems of following up on on reporting about these. Yeah,

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll hear about it when the lawsuit is leveled,

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:22.240
<v Speaker 1>but then there's not a lot of follow up. Resolutions

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to lawsuits are occasionally considered less news worthy. That's unfortunate.

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>That same year, in two thousand twelve, A T and

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>T made a A hundred twenty six point four billion

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.600
<v Speaker 1>dollars in revenues. That's according to their two thousand twelve

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 1>financial report, which I looked up just before we came

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in here. Uh that was a two point four percent

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 1>growth over two thousand eleven revenues. And in that same report,

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 1>A T and T VP of Consumer Product Planning and

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Research said that A T. T was looking at mobile payments,

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>as in using your smartphone as your payment way, Like

0:47:57.000 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 1>if you go to a restaurant, you tap your smartphone

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>against that, you know, the whole NFC wallet kind of stuff.

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's great. I really look forward to the

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to being able to use my smartphone to pay for

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff as long as it's secure. But the biggest issue

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I have is, I mean beyond security, which clearly that

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>needs to be number one But number two is my

0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>concern that there are all these different systems that are

0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>being proposed that different companies are behind, Like Google has

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Google Wallet, A T T has this other one, and

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 1>then you've got these other companies that are looking at

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it too. If all of them are using proprietary language

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 1>for their systems, that means that the merchants have to

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 1>choose which system are they going to support, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt that most of them are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of multiple support. That would be expensive for

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 1>them to be part of all these different programs. So

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a merchant has to make it kind of a decision

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 1>like which one is likely to be the most popular,

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 1>That's the one I'm going to support, Which means that

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.759
<v Speaker 1>as a consumer, your choices are limited. You may have

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.400
<v Speaker 1>no choice at all. You may have to use a

0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>specific type of phone if you want to take advant

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to that kind of service. I don't like that. I

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>like it when everybody is using using the same basic

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 1>set of language, so that the merchant can have a

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 1>single device and no matter what phone you use, you

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 1>can use it as long as it's compatible with that device.

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that most um app creators these days realize

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 1>the efficiency that the profit in making things available to

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>multiple platforms, so or I guess multiple um devices right right. Yeah,

0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's tough when the the service provider is

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>also the one who creates the hardware, as is the case. Well,

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>A T and T does not directly create the hardware,

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>but they create a layer of firmware and software that

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 1>that hardware carries. So it definitely, again it's something to

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 1>watch a few years, the Department Justice will step in

0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, I know that we keep talking to

0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys, and I'm really sorry. I didn't bring this

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.400
<v Speaker 1>up last time, but we didn't know that it existed.

0:49:59.440 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Then yeah, we'll see if that happens. But there's also

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>some other interesting stuff mentioned in that report that A

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>T and T is working on stuff that I find

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 1>really exciting. Again, the whole proprietary network stuff is that

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:15.400
<v Speaker 1>it could be an issue, but it's still exciting technologies

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>like vehicle to vehicle communications. A T and T labs

0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 1>are looking into that vehicle to road communications. We've talked

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.280
<v Speaker 1>about that on tech stuff. We've talked about on forward thinking.

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.920
<v Speaker 1>We you know the idea of having these communicating vehicles

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and communicating infrastructure Yeah. A t T is actually working

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<v Speaker 1>with several auto manufacturers, from A Tesla to BMW, Nissan

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and Ford um to to provide the Internet Internet connectivity

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.920
<v Speaker 1>to new automate automobiles. Yeah, which is fantastic. I mean

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 1>when you think about it, that means that cars can

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>communicate with one another, traffic can smooth out over time,

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you can have that sort of collision detection technology built

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:55.520
<v Speaker 1>in there. In other words, you can make driving safer,

0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:58.799
<v Speaker 1>uh slightly more automated, not to the point where the

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 1>car is taking over or you, but the car at

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.280
<v Speaker 1>least is able to alert you to things that otherwise

0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you would not know or even help the the infrastructure,

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the traffic infrastructure respond to dynamic changes so or to

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, just get just get the music that you

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>want to listen to from Pandora, Spotify or something like

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that to play in your car. What I want I

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:22.719
<v Speaker 1>want them to develop a technology where when my car

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls up next to another car and I can see

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.400
<v Speaker 1>that the driver in that other car is really rocking

0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:30.879
<v Speaker 1>out to something but I can't hear it, I can

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:33.360
<v Speaker 1>find out what music they're listening to and then listen

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 1>to that myself, just to find out, you know, is

0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:39.279
<v Speaker 1>that really worth it? Is? They they would just they

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>would just get J pop for me all the time,

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:46.240
<v Speaker 1>as you have revealed to everybody on Forward Taking. Speaking

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of Forward Thinking, if you are interested in automated automobiles,

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 1>we just did another episode on that, so that should

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.359
<v Speaker 1>be coming out soon. Yeah, so definitely go check out

0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that podcast. We have a lot of fun on that show.

0:51:58.080 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 1>So if you enjoy tech stuff, I'm sure you would

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>love Forward Thinking. Yeah. Um, so does that bring us up?

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 1>It does? Yes. That's when A T and T announced

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:10.640
<v Speaker 1>it would acquire Leap Wireless for one point two billion dollars.

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>It's also when you Verse, which is a T and

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:16.840
<v Speaker 1>T s broadband television and internet service, had its first

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:21.200
<v Speaker 1>billion dollar revenue month, a billion dollars in one month,

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think in two thousand twelve. They made

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>ten billion dollars over the course of the year, so

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>one billion dollar month that that was. That's huge growth.

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's pretty enormous. You know. Um, that's exciting for

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>A T and T. Yeah. A T and T is

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 1>currently because we are recording this podcast in October, they

0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>are currently the second largest wireless provider after Verizon. UM

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.080
<v Speaker 1>According to Forbes, one of A T and t s

0:52:48.080 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 1>growing businesses is in providing data plans for tablet owners,

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:55.120
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, that's they're just seeing that more

0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and more tablet owners are subscribing to these these data

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.120
<v Speaker 1>plans through A T and T, which is both good

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 1>news and bad news. It's good news because it's a

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 1>growing industry, it's a growing business, and it's growing market.

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.640
<v Speaker 1>The bad news is it's not as profitable as some

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>of their other businesses. So while it's growing, it's not

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.360
<v Speaker 1>creating the same revenue generation as some of their other businesses.

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's also partially due to the fact that smaller

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 1>wireless companies like T Mobile and Sprint are providing really

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>steep competition through the price competitions that remind me competition

0:53:26.520 --> 0:53:30.719
<v Speaker 1>through competitions. Yes, that was very competitive pricing. Um, I

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:32.760
<v Speaker 1>mean it's it's the kind of price wars that remind

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:36.759
<v Speaker 1>me of that long distance exactly. Like like A T

0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and T had a quick uh head start with iPhone

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and iPad stuff uh and then uh now the other companies,

0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 1>in order to make up for that that head start,

0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 1>have offered really competitive pricing, which means A T and

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>T either has to follow suit or find some other

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 1>way of making their service so attractive that the the

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:06.760
<v Speaker 1>higher prices feels worthwhile to the consumer. Right. Um. Also,

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 1>just this month, the FCC adopted an agreement between A

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>T and T, Dish Network Corporation, and a bunch of

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 1>other smaller wireless companies to help regulate more wireless bandwidths.

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:18.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's because A T and T currently owns a

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 1>band of frequencies in in a one of those powerful

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.360
<v Speaker 1>signal like seven herds kind of kind of bands, and

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 1>their their concession to this plan will let smaller local

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.919
<v Speaker 1>providers get better access to the to the band, which

0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 1>should encourage manufacturers to make and sell more phones for

0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.919
<v Speaker 1>that range and also give customers more options and which

0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:42.479
<v Speaker 1>wireless provider to adopt. So a T and T owns

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a band that's adjacent to this other one, and it's

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 1>sort of an interoperability kind of approach absolutely, and and

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and Dish Network is related to that because they are

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 1>also trying to um decrease the strength of the signal

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 1>that they are using in order to allow other carriers

0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:01.319
<v Speaker 1>to horn in on it here and there. So I

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 1>mean this could be a deal that could work out

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:06.839
<v Speaker 1>really well for everyone, and I'm looking forward to seeing

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.240
<v Speaker 1>where it goes. Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, the company

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 1>has been around for more than a century. It has

0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>had uh an incredible story. We've only just touched on it.

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously we gave kind of a high level

0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:22.120
<v Speaker 1>glance year by year, but there are a lot of

0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>different individual stories in here that we could touch on,

0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 1>including things like, you know, telling more about Shockley and

0:55:27.600 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 1>his contributions and the controversy around them, or Whittaker and

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>his story. So you know, we'll probably do more episodes

0:55:36.600 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 1>that are related to this after we you know, cover

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>other topics obviously. Sure, if anything really piqued your interest,

0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:44.080
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0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:46.719
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0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.960
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0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.800
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0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:55.520
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0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:59.719
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0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.319
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0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.960
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0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.000
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