WEBVTT - Draft Show: New Landscape? 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:09.440 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:13.200 room for incenter news and trapped analysis from deep within 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:20.000 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.560 And now your hosts Brian brought Us, Kyle Yeomans, and 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:32.720 David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April nineteenth. That means it 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.760 is time for once again another episode of the Draft Show. Wow, 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.400 the Big Voice guy already they already made the big 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.600 voice change. In case you haven't heard Skeleton Crew here today, 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.239 I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined only by Brian brought Us. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.880 Kyle will be back Thursday. I believe Jeff Kavanaugh will 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.120 not be finishing out the draft cycle with us. He 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.000 is pursuing other job opportunities. Is that fair to Absolutely? 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.760 There's sometimes where you know that things that in this business, 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.160 things don't always match up, and if you go somewhere 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.680 in a part of another team's program, then you can't 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.480 be with you know, with maybe a team that you 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.520 were currently working with. So it happens, you know, it happens. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.920 It's it's not I mean, I just want to say 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:22.040 one thing. I've really eight years I worked with Jeff, 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:25.440 you know on doing stuff with you know, bringing him up, 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.160 whether it was at him and Kevin Turner at Valley Ranch, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.520 whether it was at the Star. You know, those guys 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.840 did a hell of a job of learning about the 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:38.559 Draft and a lot of nights kick my ass about 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.920 making me think about these players in a different way. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.680 And I appreciate that. I do. You know, the one 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:46.399 thing that I've learned, Dave, and you've been with me 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.360 a long time here too, the Draft show is the same, 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.640 the same, you know, the the the the intensity that 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.360 we do this is always going to be the same. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.240 It's just the cast of characters kind of change along 0:01:58.240 --> 0:01:59.920 the way. And that's kind of only above the Draft. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.160 The drafts on a big stage and the cast of 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.000 characters kind of change every year. So love those guys, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.760 Love what everybody the contributions to the ed K Hills 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:14.280 than the Bucky Brooks and and you know everybody who's 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.760 ever worked on this show, Jeff Katie, you know, it 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.360 just it's it's about the show. It's about the program. 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.040 It's about the investigation and the education. And that's that's 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.360 something that's always going to be consistent about us. I 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.560 think here that's very very well said I just want 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.600 to throw in. Yeah. I mean, when somebody leaves the show, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.919 especially two weeks before the draft, I think it prompts speculation. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.440 I'm not going to get into Jeff's professional business. He's 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.600 pretty open about it. I'm sure he will have something 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.040 to say about it soon. Sure. This is a lot 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.720 more about non competes and some of the realities of 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.440 corporate America than I know when when something like this happens, Brian, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.720 when you when you left Dallas Cowboys dot com, people 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.400 were convinced that that you pissed off the wrong member 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.000 or the Jones family, the truth is usually a lot 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.880 more boring than that. I promise you there's there's no 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.239 bad blood here with Jeff, and that's you know, I 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.440 think that if I pissed off the Jones is that 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.399 Derek Eagleton and Nick Eatman and the Jones family would 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.120 have not asked me back to do the draft show exactly. So, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.400 you know, I mean, we all take opportunities, we all 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.360 go on and do things that we think are better 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.000 for us career wise and whatever. I mean, it's you know, 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.600 you can't you can't sit there and say, oh, well, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.079 I blame this guy and boy, they're screwing this guy 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.000 and that and the other. There's certain protocols we follow, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.919 you know, and there's certain things. I mean, I think 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.680 everybody was really willing and able to carry this thing through, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.160 and we still are. The commitment is there. We're not 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.680 going anywhere. Yeah, and you know what's the something that 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.760 we haven't had in the past is Dallas Cowboys dot 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.960 Com and you know, one five three, the fan have 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.360 not worked the first night together in a while, and 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.840 now we are, you know, so that to me is 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:56.760 very very exciting. With Sean Shariff, yourself, Bobby Bell, Kyle, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.120 you know what I mean. There's still plenty of talk 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.880 about those three days with the draft and try and 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.000 put this thing into perspective like we've done for ten 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.560 plus years. Yeah, which I don't wanna, you know, you 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.320 don't wanna oversell an under deliver. So we're gonna try 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.240 to keep some of those tricks up our sleeves. We 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.560 got it. Don't worry about that. Our draft coverage will 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.800 be just as robust as always. We appreciate y'all sticking 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.200 with us, but yeah, no, no bad blood with Jeffrey. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.920 We will Yeah, we will be seeing and talking to 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.520 him before too long, if I had to guess. So 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.680 with that out of the way, there was another huge 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:37.239 development that happened over the weekend. And I'm not laughing 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.279 because it is a very serious matter. It's just a 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.800 lot can happen from Thursday to Tuesday. I guess is 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.599 the lesson you always learn in this industry. Kelvin Joseph. Yeah, 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:53.360 I literally I wrote on Twitter like on Thursday morning 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.200 that something crazy would have to happen for the Cowboys 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.080 to need to reassess their cornerbacks will. I mean, I 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.279 think I'm catching a lot of flak for that. I'm 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.240 not a superstitious guy, but the timing was eerie. I'm 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.599 sure anybody listening to this has heard. Kelvin Joseph was 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.880 a person of interest and murder investigation. He spoke to 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.840 the Dallas Police Department over the weekend about a shooting 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.560 that happened last month in the Lower Greenville neighborhood of Dallas. 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.400 Some arrests were made in their hometown area. Dude, it 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.800 literally happened like a mile from my house. Is kind 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:33.280 of eerie. So some arrests were made following that conversation, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.600 and now we are just kind of sitting here. He 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.400 has not been arrested, He has not been charged with 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.040 a crime, probably practicing behind us as we speak at 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.680 the offseason program. As far as I am aware, I 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.360 don't know. I mean, we can. There's a few conversations 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.840 to be had here. What do you make of it? 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.240 And where do we go from here in regard to 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.560 the draft since this is the Draft show. Yeah, A 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.520 couple of things you need to think about here is 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.320 that we're the Red Flax and we talked about Kelvin 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.240 last year at this time, we were talking about you 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.160 and I were blessed to go to the great University 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.359 at LSU, and you know, we know people there that 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.560 are able to kind of fill us in on maybe 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.520 some of the holes we might have in in the coverage. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.480 And you know, there were people that were there that 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.720 were very adamant about Listen. Sky is a good kid. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.320 But you know, he's not always in trouble, but trouble 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.160 is always within arm's length, and that's something I think 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.800 we talked about. No, if you're if you're a team 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.760 that was interested in Kelvin Joseph, you do your due diligence. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.680 You know, remember what they did with Lyle Collins, Larry Wansley, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.960 the director of securities in Baton Rouge Boots on ground, 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.760 they like to say, and you know, trying to figure 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.320 out what's going on with their same thing with Kelvin Joseph. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.680 You know, whether it's you know, whether it's the legal 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.840 team here, the you know, the the security team, they're 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.680 they're doing their due diligence to kind of figure everything out. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.520 And they were obviously comfortable with the situation with Kelvin Joseph. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:05.279 So now you have to go back and you have 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:09.120 to look at your situation and say, Okay, did we 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.840 was it the process right? You know, was the information 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.880 with the sources? Were the people that were asking the question, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.640 what were the reports? You know, did we rely on 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:22.080 a coach too much? You know, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.440 and Dan Quinn we're all in Lexington, Kentucky for the workout, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.800 so they know they had a chance visit with the kids, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.840 you know, talk to him, let him, you know, hey, 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.320 put a name with a face. I'm dan Quinn. I'm 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.360 going to be your defensive coordinator if we draft you. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.720 So there was a lot of legwork that was done 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.920 here and you know, the Cowboys made the determination that 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.920 he was second round worthy with a very small sample 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.400 size of games. If you think about what he did 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.280 in Baton Rouge played eighteen college games. That's what I'm 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.240 saying something like that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.320 you're in a situation right now where you know that's 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.560 a very very that's a very very small evaluation right now. 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.320 So you had to be obviously comfortable with the player 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.080 to make the pick. Now, does that keep them from 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.720 looking at a corner? Now, let's remember last year at 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.960 this time what was going on, and really we didn't 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.360 know the magic of Dan Quinn and what he can 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.920 do with defense, sir. They were looking at a cornerback 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.120 at the at their first round pick, and it just 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.200 both of them went right ahead of them. And then 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.360 it was okay, now we have to reset where the 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.000 stack is, look at the stack and say, okay, Michael Parsons. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.480 Can we get Michael Parsons here on a little bit 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:32.880 of a drop back and then and and get a pick. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.000 They made that determination. So last year at this time, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.240 they were looking dead in the eyes at some cornerbacks 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.520 and we were talking about it a bunch, So are 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.480 they totally are things? Have things changed over the over 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.600 the last year with the cornerback situation, That's what I'm 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.640 curious about. And I mean, look, this is this is 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:58.960 a strange situation because usually usually something more has happened, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.720 you know, like as it's it's Tuesday morning, I am 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.920 not under any I have no reason to believe that 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.800 he's going to be released in the immediate future. The 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.199 fact that he's out there even practicing, I think tells 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.480 you a lot. Right Um, Obviously, the league's the NFL's 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.800 disciplinary protocol is impossible to predict. They can do whatever 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:26.480 they want whenever they want. But I think you I 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.120 kind of go forward with the idea that maybe he's 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.120 going to be here for at least the time being 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.000 until the league gets involved. That's that is the the 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.040 idea that I have as of right now. Well then, 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.600 and you're also in a situation too where this time 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.440 next year you're looking at not likely not having Brown 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.680 or Lewis here. So do you want And and also 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.679 the situation with Joseph, you know the fact that they 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.480 didn't ask him to take a leave of absence, you know, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.600 to maybe I mean immediately he was talking with Dallas 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.920 Police Department and the next day he's in is part 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.319 of a workout program. Ye. Now, the Cowboys are really really, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.360 really busy with their draft process right now, with building 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.520 the boards and stuff like that. So did somebody along 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.360 the way or is it one of these things that 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.080 like time will heal this. You know, I kind of 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.600 want to believe the fact that he's practicing right now. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.440 They believe that they're just going to keep their heads 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.800 down and build their boards and let Kelvin Joseph practice 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.800 with the teams and figure out, you know, what they 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.040 want to do later on when it comes to drafting 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.240 a corner which it's a tragic situation. I don't want 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.080 to make light of that, but that but that is 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:38.200 immediately where people's minds go. Is the cornerback depth chart 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.160 Trayvon Digs named all pro. I mean, I think it's 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.200 fair to say he's the centerpiece of your group. Anthony 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:47.160 Brown has one year remaining on his deal Jordan, and 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.000 you're one hundred percent right. They could absolutely move on 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.280 from Jordan next year. But he does have two years 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.040 remaining on his contract, sure, so he could be here 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.640 in you know, that's three if they want. That's you know, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.320 and that's me spoking on that misspeaking on that first 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.640 for his sake, because to me, like I said, they 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.040 were committed to drafting corner last year. Hi, I mean, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:12.400 so has that changed? That's where I think you have 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.280 to lord and Anthony Brown played a hell of a 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.240 lot better than a lot of people, That's what I'm saying. 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.120 And that's and that's the magic of Dan Quinn right now. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.559 That's the magic of of Curse and Lewis and Brown 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.079 and you know, and him playing Micah Parsons as a 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.600 rush end. You know, that's the magic that when you 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.320 have a coach. See when we're gonna go through this draft, 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.120 and we've talked about this a bunch, whether it's a 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.240 wide receiver you know, gets picked here, everybody's like, well, yeah, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.640 they need a wide receiver. But are you are you thinking, like, well, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.880 Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy, Doug Nussmer, They're going to figure 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.040 things out and get these guys involved. We're still kind 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.640 of waiting. Ceedee Lamb has been a good player for you, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.520 But maybe my expectations were Ceede Lamb was too much. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.600 I see you, I see you trying to veer off 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.040 the road, and I'm not going to let you do 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.240 it because I want to ask you this. I want 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.440 to know specifically, let's Kelvin, Joseph is over here. Is 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:07.080 it's weird ambiguous zone? He's here. But we'll just assume 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.120 you can count on that. You have Digs, You have 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.680 the other two starters at least for another year or so. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.959 And then you have Nishan Wright, who is just a 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.760 big old question mark. Yeah, he was mainly a special 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.160 teams player. You don't know what you have in him 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.200 as far as Cornerback goes. So with those four guys, McDuffie, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:31.480 Gordon Booth, if you're asking me, I'm at okay that 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.280 Trent McDuffie, you're not gonna have it unless you yeah, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.760 and lind Booth, Yeah, unless you move up. I mean 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.560 now if you get to six. This is this is 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.960 the discussion you need to have with yourselves real okay, 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.120 real quick before we do, I just want to know 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:48.640 those four guys are here and you don't know about Kelvin. 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.040 What what is your opinion of the Cornerback situation? How 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.079 dire of a S show is it for you? Right? 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.400 Like I said, that's last year. At this time we 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.920 were screaming for right were NFL players sons to play? 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.600 But it doesn't feel that drastic to me right now? 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.640 It does or am I crazy? No, it doesn't. And 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.040 that's what I'm saying. That's the magic of dan Quinn. 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.480 I gave you the names. If you want to get 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.400 to six, if all of a sudden, Caroline is not 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.200 going to hold you up on a huge price to go. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.400 Let me tell you what giants at five, if they 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.160 flip flop and take a tackle before they take a 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.040 sauce Gardner, you could very well be looking at the 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.959 best corner in the draft, maybe one of the best 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.040 players in the draft at number six. Now Cowboy fans 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.960 are freaking out right now, because but you would give 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.560 yourself two options potentially one of the tackles, cross or kneel, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.920 and then you give yourself potentially the chance of draft 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.320 and Gardner if you want. Now, if you trade in 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.120 the middle of the draft, maybe you have a chance 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.000 to draft Stingley. But that's what I'm saying. I don't 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.160 think you get killed. I mean Gardner comes into play 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.080 with me. If you go to six, that's where that's 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.760 where he comes into play for me. But if the 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.000 but if the but if the Giant suit. We've all 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.000 done shows with the Giants dot Com. We've done these shows. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:10.320 Corner and tackle, corner, tackle, corner, tackle, what combination? Tackle? First, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.880 corner second? You know, that's that's the thought you have 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.320 to because they're thinking that Caroline ain't taking a corner. Okay, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.240 but do you think that corner is a big enough 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.640 need that and you're surely up next one? I would 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:28.080 consider it. I would consider it if I got to six, Okay, 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.720 because again, so I mean cross my view, cross Neil 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.440 or then or then Gardner, you're giving up you're giving 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.920 up twenty four next year's one and probably something else. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.920 I mean maybe you know. Peter King and Monday Morning 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.400 Quarterback yesterday on his on his on the stuff, he 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.880 does you know for NBC is talking about the price 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.520 of going up is not as steep. Bobby Belt, who's 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.040 an insider for us on one oh five three the 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.240 Fan last week was talking to teams and saying, hey, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.440 the price of going up is not that drastic. There's 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.560 so many teams with multiple picks in the first round 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.400 of them they're willing to move the second one. They 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.880 want to they want to take advantage of the second one. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.880 So maybe the price of going up, I'm not asking 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.320 to move a jump to six. You get Carolina that's desperate. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.480 Carolina has given up a lot of second day picks 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.560 to get quarterbacks that haven't played. So two ones for 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.800 Sauce Gardner just that's all they want is next year's one. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.160 Well what if you could give them, What if you 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:33.120 give them fifty six in one of those fives? You 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.160 think that's enough? That I said, But that seem like enough. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.280 That's what I'm saying, though, teams are willing to maybe 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.880 part ways with that second pick. It's it's you're right 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:50.160 and to wrap your hands around it and say, wow, 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.920 you're gonna get worked on that if you go up there. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.760 It might be that teams are like, no, we're gonna 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.120 make a pick and we're we'll willing to listen to 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.920 you on something else. I I want to believe that 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.600 because we've seen a little bit of the pattern for 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.920 some of these Well, Maury Cooper, you know, people aren't 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.760 willing to pay now they paid for they paid for somebody, Well, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.440 they paid well, they paid for Adams and Hill. Okay, 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.680 but again, two of the best, two of the best 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.280 receivers in the in the draft. Now people are looking 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.360 at that as a situation where they're like, well, you know, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.720 we're gonna have to go get the best. But in 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.080 a draft where there's so much chaos as far as 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.200 who the best players are, you might be willing to 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:33.440 jump back and go back in the second or third 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.080 or fourth round and grab guys instead of making a 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.040 pick at six or seven or one of those spots. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.080 All right, Which nothing makes you happier than trying to 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.600 give away picks for a player. It's your favorite thought. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.960 I know what I am. I'm trying to, at least 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:51.040 in the first round. I am trying to eliminate any issues. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.080 Dallas has proven in the first round they have a 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.320 handle on this. It's round two that all of a 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.280 sudden things go. Just ship off the two and get 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.440 Sauce Gardner and they don't have to worry. A Is 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.600 DeMarcus Lawrence the best two that they've had here in 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.440 recent history? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they've tried. They've tried 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.679 it with a guard, They've tried it with a linebacker. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.919 I mean DeMarcus Lawrence is the only great second rounder 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.160 that they've drafted in the last decade. All like they've 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.840 had a few decent picks. But yeah, I mean they 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.360 had a second round grade on McGovern if you if 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.280 you look, I mean that that mean, but they picked 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.240 him in the third. I want you to, okay, but 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.880 I want you to put on your Dallas Cowboys hat. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.199 I want you to think like them and not like you. Yeah, no, 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.080 you've heard me. Do you think that it Do you 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.080 think that the Kelvin Joseph News will change their approach 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.159 with that position? I don't either know why, because I 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.399 think Kelvin Joseph is going to be here a I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:49.240 kind of leaned that way too, and be again, for 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.040 all the reasons I just listed out, I just I 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.560 think you can survive this season without spending a big 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.560 pick at that unless unless they do what they did 0:17:57.800 --> 0:17:59.879 when we were doing the draft show way back in 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.600 a day with with Mo claiborne. Unless they've got something 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.640 in mind that they're going to try and jump this 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.200 thing all the way to six, you know, and then 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.639 and go get the who they think the best player. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.879 Sauce Garner might be the best player on their board. 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.520 What if I told you they you know, what if 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.119 I told you or Cross could look like Tyrn Smith 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:25.360 to them, a young Tyrant Smith. Yeah, that's more appealing 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.199 to me, honestly. I mean and and fans and fans 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.560 and fans would think that fans would fans would be 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:33.520 totally happy if they went in and draft, because fans 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.600 now are conditioned that you're gonnaly have Tyron Smith for 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.479 thirteen games a year. Their conditioned. And there and then 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.600 and maybe there's the thought of moving on from Tyron 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.520 Smith after next year you plugged Crossing at right tackle, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.840 you know, then then you know, uh, the golden child, 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.240 Steel becomes the swing tackle. You know, you kind of 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.960 take care of that. And then when Tyron gets hurt, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.399 you move across to left tackle, you put Steel at 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.560 right tackle, and you go play. And that might be 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.880 your team in twenty twenty three. What if I tell 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.800 you that six is too rich? But and again, if 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.880 the trade market's not as robust as what we're used to, Yeah, 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.240 your third round pick can get get you up to 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.680 like sixteen where you have a shot at Derek Stingley. 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:15.840 Well there you go. Does that do anything for you? Yeah? 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.080 I like Stingley. I do. He's my sixth best player 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.080 of my top one hundred and fifty that I've got 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.200 so far. And it's not an LSU bias this guy. Legitimately, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.080 if if if he was more of an alpha, I 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.679 think more people there were questions about him as a player. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:32.040 Did he really love football? You know? When he plays, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.440 he's just as good as Sauce Gardner out there playing. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.919 Sauce Gardner is just an app an alpha male that 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.159 that doesn't you know, doesn't need somebody to hold his 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.280 hand along the way. At times. There's a couple alpha's 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.240 in the secondary room here. I think, sure, I think 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.040 we can handle. That's what I'm saying when you get 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:47.960 when you you know. The thing about why I would 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.600 be not afraid to draft Stingley is because I know 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.560 that Diggs would. I know Diggs would take care of him. Great, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.400 wonderful point. Before we go to break, I do want 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.880 to mention that, um, somebody just point out to us 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:04.040 Treyvon Diggs was a second round pick as well, So yeah, 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:05.880 there you go, there you go. That was, Yeah, that's 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.439 relatively recent. You're right because I keep thinking of him 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:12.040 milliona first because they were talking about him at seventeen. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.600 pick fifty one. I believe that sixty. Actually, I think 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.200 it is what it was. Was it sixty? I think 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.200 he was picked. These drafts all kind of run together, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.440 but the last two, especially the COVID drafts, just kind 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.840 of blend together. For me, they don't stand out. He 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.119 was picked fifty one. I might have forgotten he was 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:29.800 a second round pick, but I can still remember the number. Yeah, 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:33.200 I got fifty one. I don't think it's going to 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.960 change the overall narrative all that much. And to your point, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.000 last time we heard Kelvin is out there working out, 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.800 So we'll keep an eye on that. In the meantime, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:44.600 we're gonna take a quick break. We got plenty of 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.760