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Speaker 1: And now your hosts Brian brought Us, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April nineteenth. That means it
Speaker 1: is time for once again another episode of the Draft Show. Wow,
Speaker 1: the Big Voice guy already they already made the big
Speaker 1: voice change. In case you haven't heard Skeleton Crew here today,
Speaker 1: I'm Dave Hellman. I'm joined only by Brian brought Us.
Speaker 1: Kyle will be back Thursday. I believe Jeff Kavanaugh will
Speaker 1: not be finishing out the draft cycle with us. He
Speaker 1: is pursuing other job opportunities. Is that fair to Absolutely?
Speaker 1: There's sometimes where you know that things that in this business,
Speaker 1: things don't always match up, and if you go somewhere
Speaker 1: in a part of another team's program, then you can't
Speaker 1: be with you know, with maybe a team that you
Speaker 1: were currently working with. So it happens, you know, it happens.
Speaker 1: It's it's not I mean, I just want to say
Speaker 1: one thing. I've really eight years I worked with Jeff,
Speaker 1: you know on doing stuff with you know, bringing him up,
Speaker 1: whether it was at him and Kevin Turner at Valley Ranch,
Speaker 1: whether it was at the Star. You know, those guys
Speaker 1: did a hell of a job of learning about the
Speaker 1: Draft and a lot of nights kick my ass about
Speaker 1: making me think about these players in a different way.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. I do. You know, the one
Speaker 1: thing that I've learned, Dave, and you've been with me
Speaker 1: a long time here too, the Draft show is the same,
Speaker 1: the same, you know, the the the the intensity that
Speaker 1: we do this is always going to be the same.
Speaker 1: It's just the cast of characters kind of change along
Speaker 1: the way. And that's kind of only above the Draft.
Speaker 1: The drafts on a big stage and the cast of
Speaker 1: characters kind of change every year. So love those guys,
Speaker 1: Love what everybody the contributions to the ed K Hills
Speaker 1: than the Bucky Brooks and and you know everybody who's
Speaker 1: ever worked on this show, Jeff Katie, you know, it
Speaker 1: just it's it's about the show. It's about the program.
Speaker 1: It's about the investigation and the education. And that's that's
Speaker 1: something that's always going to be consistent about us. I
Speaker 1: think here that's very very well said I just want
Speaker 1: to throw in. Yeah. I mean, when somebody leaves the show,
Speaker 1: especially two weeks before the draft, I think it prompts speculation.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into Jeff's professional business. He's
Speaker 1: pretty open about it. I'm sure he will have something
Speaker 1: to say about it soon. Sure. This is a lot
Speaker 1: more about non competes and some of the realities of
Speaker 1: corporate America than I know when when something like this happens, Brian,
Speaker 1: when you when you left Dallas Cowboys dot com, people
Speaker 1: were convinced that that you pissed off the wrong member
Speaker 1: or the Jones family, the truth is usually a lot
Speaker 1: more boring than that. I promise you there's there's no
Speaker 1: bad blood here with Jeff, and that's you know, I
Speaker 1: think that if I pissed off the Jones is that
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton and Nick Eatman and the Jones family would
Speaker 1: have not asked me back to do the draft show exactly. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we all take opportunities, we all
Speaker 1: go on and do things that we think are better
Speaker 1: for us career wise and whatever. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't sit there and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I blame this guy and boy, they're screwing this guy
Speaker 1: and that and the other. There's certain protocols we follow,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's certain things. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: everybody was really willing and able to carry this thing through,
Speaker 1: and we still are. The commitment is there. We're not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Yeah, and you know what's the something that
Speaker 1: we haven't had in the past is Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com and you know, one five three, the fan have
Speaker 1: not worked the first night together in a while, and
Speaker 1: now we are, you know, so that to me is
Speaker 1: very very exciting. With Sean Shariff, yourself, Bobby Bell, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's still plenty of talk
Speaker 1: about those three days with the draft and try and
Speaker 1: put this thing into perspective like we've done for ten
Speaker 1: plus years. Yeah, which I don't wanna, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't wanna oversell an under deliver. So we're gonna try
Speaker 1: to keep some of those tricks up our sleeves. We
Speaker 1: got it. Don't worry about that. Our draft coverage will
Speaker 1: be just as robust as always. We appreciate y'all sticking
Speaker 1: with us, but yeah, no, no bad blood with Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: We will Yeah, we will be seeing and talking to
Speaker 1: him before too long, if I had to guess. So
Speaker 1: with that out of the way, there was another huge
Speaker 1: development that happened over the weekend. And I'm not laughing
Speaker 1: because it is a very serious matter. It's just a
Speaker 1: lot can happen from Thursday to Tuesday. I guess is
Speaker 1: the lesson you always learn in this industry. Kelvin Joseph. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I literally I wrote on Twitter like on Thursday morning
Speaker 1: that something crazy would have to happen for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to need to reassess their cornerbacks will. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I'm catching a lot of flak for that. I'm
Speaker 1: not a superstitious guy, but the timing was eerie. I'm
Speaker 1: sure anybody listening to this has heard. Kelvin Joseph was
Speaker 1: a person of interest and murder investigation. He spoke to
Speaker 1: the Dallas Police Department over the weekend about a shooting
Speaker 1: that happened last month in the Lower Greenville neighborhood of Dallas.
Speaker 1: Some arrests were made in their hometown area. Dude, it
Speaker 1: literally happened like a mile from my house. Is kind
Speaker 1: of eerie. So some arrests were made following that conversation,
Speaker 1: and now we are just kind of sitting here. He
Speaker 1: has not been arrested, He has not been charged with
Speaker 1: a crime, probably practicing behind us as we speak at
Speaker 1: the offseason program. As far as I am aware, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we can. There's a few conversations
Speaker 1: to be had here. What do you make of it?
Speaker 1: And where do we go from here in regard to
Speaker 1: the draft since this is the Draft show. Yeah, A
Speaker 1: couple of things you need to think about here is
Speaker 1: that we're the Red Flax and we talked about Kelvin
Speaker 1: last year at this time, we were talking about you
Speaker 1: and I were blessed to go to the great University
Speaker 1: at LSU, and you know, we know people there that
Speaker 1: are able to kind of fill us in on maybe
Speaker 1: some of the holes we might have in in the coverage.
Speaker 1: And you know, there were people that were there that
Speaker 1: were very adamant about Listen. Sky is a good kid.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's not always in trouble, but trouble
Speaker 1: is always within arm's length, and that's something I think
Speaker 1: we talked about. No, if you're if you're a team
Speaker 1: that was interested in Kelvin Joseph, you do your due diligence.
Speaker 1: You know, remember what they did with Lyle Collins, Larry Wansley,
Speaker 1: the director of securities in Baton Rouge Boots on ground,
Speaker 1: they like to say, and you know, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on with their same thing with Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's you know, whether it's the legal
Speaker 1: team here, the you know, the the security team, they're
Speaker 1: they're doing their due diligence to kind of figure everything out.
Speaker 1: And they were obviously comfortable with the situation with Kelvin Joseph.
Speaker 1: So now you have to go back and you have
Speaker 1: to look at your situation and say, Okay, did we
Speaker 1: was it the process right? You know, was the information
Speaker 1: with the sources? Were the people that were asking the question,
Speaker 1: what were the reports? You know, did we rely on
Speaker 1: a coach too much? You know, Mike McCarthy, Will McClay
Speaker 1: and Dan Quinn we're all in Lexington, Kentucky for the workout,
Speaker 1: so they know they had a chance visit with the kids,
Speaker 1: you know, talk to him, let him, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: put a name with a face. I'm dan Quinn. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be your defensive coordinator if we draft you.
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of legwork that was done
Speaker 1: here and you know, the Cowboys made the determination that
Speaker 1: he was second round worthy with a very small sample
Speaker 1: size of games. If you think about what he did
Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge played eighteen college games. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying something like that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: you're in a situation right now where you know that's
Speaker 1: a very very that's a very very small evaluation right now.
Speaker 1: So you had to be obviously comfortable with the player
Speaker 1: to make the pick. Now, does that keep them from
Speaker 1: looking at a corner? Now, let's remember last year at
Speaker 1: this time what was going on, and really we didn't
Speaker 1: know the magic of Dan Quinn and what he can
Speaker 1: do with defense, sir. They were looking at a cornerback
Speaker 1: at the at their first round pick, and it just
Speaker 1: both of them went right ahead of them. And then
Speaker 1: it was okay, now we have to reset where the
Speaker 1: stack is, look at the stack and say, okay, Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: Can we get Michael Parsons here on a little bit
Speaker 1: of a drop back and then and and get a pick.
Speaker 1: They made that determination. So last year at this time,
Speaker 1: they were looking dead in the eyes at some cornerbacks
Speaker 1: and we were talking about it a bunch, So are
Speaker 1: they totally are things? Have things changed over the over
Speaker 1: the last year with the cornerback situation, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: curious about. And I mean, look, this is this is
Speaker 1: a strange situation because usually usually something more has happened,
Speaker 1: you know, like as it's it's Tuesday morning, I am
Speaker 1: not under any I have no reason to believe that
Speaker 1: he's going to be released in the immediate future. The
Speaker 1: fact that he's out there even practicing, I think tells
Speaker 1: you a lot. Right Um, Obviously, the league's the NFL's
Speaker 1: disciplinary protocol is impossible to predict. They can do whatever
Speaker 1: they want whenever they want. But I think you I
Speaker 1: kind of go forward with the idea that maybe he's
Speaker 1: going to be here for at least the time being
Speaker 1: until the league gets involved. That's that is the the
Speaker 1: idea that I have as of right now. Well then,
Speaker 1: and you're also in a situation too where this time
Speaker 1: next year you're looking at not likely not having Brown
Speaker 1: or Lewis here. So do you want And and also
Speaker 1: the situation with Joseph, you know the fact that they
Speaker 1: didn't ask him to take a leave of absence, you know,
Speaker 1: to maybe I mean immediately he was talking with Dallas
Speaker 1: Police Department and the next day he's in is part
Speaker 1: of a workout program. Ye. Now, the Cowboys are really really,
Speaker 1: really busy with their draft process right now, with building
Speaker 1: the boards and stuff like that. So did somebody along
Speaker 1: the way or is it one of these things that
Speaker 1: like time will heal this. You know, I kind of
Speaker 1: want to believe the fact that he's practicing right now.
Speaker 1: They believe that they're just going to keep their heads
Speaker 1: down and build their boards and let Kelvin Joseph practice
Speaker 1: with the teams and figure out, you know, what they
Speaker 1: want to do later on when it comes to drafting
Speaker 1: a corner which it's a tragic situation. I don't want
Speaker 1: to make light of that, but that but that is
Speaker 1: immediately where people's minds go. Is the cornerback depth chart
Speaker 1: Trayvon Digs named all pro. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say he's the centerpiece of your group. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown has one year remaining on his deal Jordan, and
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right. They could absolutely move on
Speaker 1: from Jordan next year. But he does have two years
Speaker 1: remaining on his contract, sure, so he could be here
Speaker 1: in you know, that's three if they want. That's you know,
Speaker 1: and that's me spoking on that misspeaking on that first
Speaker 1: for his sake, because to me, like I said, they
Speaker 1: were committed to drafting corner last year. Hi, I mean,
Speaker 1: so has that changed? That's where I think you have
Speaker 1: to lord and Anthony Brown played a hell of a
Speaker 1: lot better than a lot of people, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's the magic of Dan Quinn right now.
Speaker 1: That's the magic of of Curse and Lewis and Brown
Speaker 1: and you know, and him playing Micah Parsons as a
Speaker 1: rush end. You know, that's the magic that when you
Speaker 1: have a coach. See when we're gonna go through this draft,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this a bunch, whether it's a
Speaker 1: wide receiver you know, gets picked here, everybody's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: they need a wide receiver. But are you are you thinking, like, well,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, Mike McCarthy, Doug Nussmer, They're going to figure
Speaker 1: things out and get these guys involved. We're still kind
Speaker 1: of waiting. Ceedee Lamb has been a good player for you,
Speaker 1: But maybe my expectations were Ceede Lamb was too much.
Speaker 1: I see you, I see you trying to veer off
Speaker 1: the road, and I'm not going to let you do
Speaker 1: it because I want to ask you this. I want
Speaker 1: to know specifically, let's Kelvin, Joseph is over here. Is
Speaker 1: it's weird ambiguous zone? He's here. But we'll just assume
Speaker 1: you can count on that. You have Digs, You have
Speaker 1: the other two starters at least for another year or so.
Speaker 1: And then you have Nishan Wright, who is just a
Speaker 1: big old question mark. Yeah, he was mainly a special
Speaker 1: teams player. You don't know what you have in him
Speaker 1: as far as Cornerback goes. So with those four guys, McDuffie,
Speaker 1: Gordon Booth, if you're asking me, I'm at okay that
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie, you're not gonna have it unless you yeah,
Speaker 1: and lind Booth, Yeah, unless you move up. I mean
Speaker 1: now if you get to six. This is this is
Speaker 1: the discussion you need to have with yourselves real okay,
Speaker 1: real quick before we do, I just want to know
Speaker 1: those four guys are here and you don't know about Kelvin.
Speaker 1: What what is your opinion of the Cornerback situation? How
Speaker 1: dire of a S show is it for you? Right?
Speaker 1: Like I said, that's last year. At this time we
Speaker 1: were screaming for right were NFL players sons to play?
Speaker 1: But it doesn't feel that drastic to me right now?
Speaker 1: It does or am I crazy? No, it doesn't. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's the magic of dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: I gave you the names. If you want to get
Speaker 1: to six, if all of a sudden, Caroline is not
Speaker 1: going to hold you up on a huge price to go.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what giants at five, if they
Speaker 1: flip flop and take a tackle before they take a
Speaker 1: sauce Gardner, you could very well be looking at the
Speaker 1: best corner in the draft, maybe one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the draft at number six. Now Cowboy fans
Speaker 1: are freaking out right now, because but you would give
Speaker 1: yourself two options potentially one of the tackles, cross or kneel,
Speaker 1: and then you give yourself potentially the chance of draft
Speaker 1: and Gardner if you want. Now, if you trade in
Speaker 1: the middle of the draft, maybe you have a chance
Speaker 1: to draft Stingley. But that's what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 1: think you get killed. I mean Gardner comes into play
Speaker 1: with me. If you go to six, that's where that's
Speaker 1: where he comes into play for me. But if the
Speaker 1: but if the but if the Giant suit. We've all
Speaker 1: done shows with the Giants dot Com. We've done these shows.
Speaker 1: Corner and tackle, corner, tackle, corner, tackle, what combination? Tackle? First,
Speaker 1: corner second? You know, that's that's the thought you have
Speaker 1: to because they're thinking that Caroline ain't taking a corner. Okay,
Speaker 1: but do you think that corner is a big enough
Speaker 1: need that and you're surely up next one? I would
Speaker 1: consider it. I would consider it if I got to six, Okay,
Speaker 1: because again, so I mean cross my view, cross Neil
Speaker 1: or then or then Gardner, you're giving up you're giving
Speaker 1: up twenty four next year's one and probably something else.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe you know. Peter King and Monday Morning
Speaker 1: Quarterback yesterday on his on his on the stuff, he
Speaker 1: does you know for NBC is talking about the price
Speaker 1: of going up is not as steep. Bobby Belt, who's
Speaker 1: an insider for us on one oh five three the
Speaker 1: Fan last week was talking to teams and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: the price of going up is not that drastic. There's
Speaker 1: so many teams with multiple picks in the first round
Speaker 1: of them they're willing to move the second one. They
Speaker 1: want to they want to take advantage of the second one.
Speaker 1: So maybe the price of going up, I'm not asking
Speaker 1: to move a jump to six. You get Carolina that's desperate.
Speaker 1: Carolina has given up a lot of second day picks
Speaker 1: to get quarterbacks that haven't played. So two ones for
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner just that's all they want is next year's one.
Speaker 1: Well what if you could give them, What if you
Speaker 1: give them fifty six in one of those fives? You
Speaker 1: think that's enough? That I said, But that seem like enough.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, though, teams are willing to maybe
Speaker 1: part ways with that second pick. It's it's you're right
Speaker 1: and to wrap your hands around it and say, wow,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get worked on that if you go up there.
Speaker 1: It might be that teams are like, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make a pick and we're we'll willing to listen to
Speaker 1: you on something else. I I want to believe that
Speaker 1: because we've seen a little bit of the pattern for
Speaker 1: some of these Well, Maury Cooper, you know, people aren't
Speaker 1: willing to pay now they paid for they paid for somebody, Well,
Speaker 1: they paid well, they paid for Adams and Hill. Okay,
Speaker 1: but again, two of the best, two of the best
Speaker 1: receivers in the in the draft. Now people are looking
Speaker 1: at that as a situation where they're like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to go get the best. But in
Speaker 1: a draft where there's so much chaos as far as
Speaker 1: who the best players are, you might be willing to
Speaker 1: jump back and go back in the second or third
Speaker 1: or fourth round and grab guys instead of making a
Speaker 1: pick at six or seven or one of those spots.
Speaker 1: All right, Which nothing makes you happier than trying to
Speaker 1: give away picks for a player. It's your favorite thought.
Speaker 1: I know what I am. I'm trying to, at least
Speaker 1: in the first round. I am trying to eliminate any issues.
Speaker 1: Dallas has proven in the first round they have a
Speaker 1: handle on this. It's round two that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden things go. Just ship off the two and get
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner and they don't have to worry. A Is
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence the best two that they've had here in
Speaker 1: recent history? Yeah? Yeah, I mean they've tried. They've tried
Speaker 1: it with a guard, They've tried it with a linebacker.
Speaker 1: I mean DeMarcus Lawrence is the only great second rounder
Speaker 1: that they've drafted in the last decade. All like they've
Speaker 1: had a few decent picks. But yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: had a second round grade on McGovern if you if
Speaker 1: you look, I mean that that mean, but they picked
Speaker 1: him in the third. I want you to, okay, but
Speaker 1: I want you to put on your Dallas Cowboys hat.
Speaker 1: I want you to think like them and not like you. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you've heard me. Do you think that it Do you
Speaker 1: think that the Kelvin Joseph News will change their approach
Speaker 1: with that position? I don't either know why, because I
Speaker 1: think Kelvin Joseph is going to be here a I
Speaker 1: kind of leaned that way too, and be again, for
Speaker 1: all the reasons I just listed out, I just I
Speaker 1: think you can survive this season without spending a big
Speaker 1: pick at that unless unless they do what they did
Speaker 1: when we were doing the draft show way back in
Speaker 1: a day with with Mo claiborne. Unless they've got something
Speaker 1: in mind that they're going to try and jump this
Speaker 1: thing all the way to six, you know, and then
Speaker 1: and go get the who they think the best player.
Speaker 1: Sauce Garner might be the best player on their board.
Speaker 1: What if I told you they you know, what if
Speaker 1: I told you or Cross could look like Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: to them, a young Tyrant Smith. Yeah, that's more appealing
Speaker 1: to me, honestly. I mean and and fans and fans
Speaker 1: and fans would think that fans would fans would be
Speaker 1: totally happy if they went in and draft, because fans
Speaker 1: now are conditioned that you're gonnaly have Tyron Smith for
Speaker 1: thirteen games a year. Their conditioned. And there and then
Speaker 1: and maybe there's the thought of moving on from Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith after next year you plugged Crossing at right tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, then then you know, uh, the golden child,
Speaker 1: Steel becomes the swing tackle. You know, you kind of
Speaker 1: take care of that. And then when Tyron gets hurt,
Speaker 1: you move across to left tackle, you put Steel at
Speaker 1: right tackle, and you go play. And that might be
Speaker 1: your team in twenty twenty three. What if I tell
Speaker 1: you that six is too rich? But and again, if
Speaker 1: the trade market's not as robust as what we're used to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your third round pick can get get you up to
Speaker 1: like sixteen where you have a shot at Derek Stingley.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. Does that do anything for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like Stingley. I do. He's my sixth best player
Speaker 1: of my top one hundred and fifty that I've got
Speaker 1: so far. And it's not an LSU bias this guy. Legitimately,
Speaker 1: if if if he was more of an alpha, I
Speaker 1: think more people there were questions about him as a player.
Speaker 1: Did he really love football? You know? When he plays,
Speaker 1: he's just as good as Sauce Gardner out there playing.
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is just an app an alpha male that
Speaker 1: that doesn't you know, doesn't need somebody to hold his
Speaker 1: hand along the way. At times. There's a couple alpha's
Speaker 1: in the secondary room here. I think, sure, I think
Speaker 1: we can handle. That's what I'm saying when you get
Speaker 1: when you you know. The thing about why I would
Speaker 1: be not afraid to draft Stingley is because I know
Speaker 1: that Diggs would. I know Diggs would take care of him. Great,
Speaker 1: wonderful point. Before we go to break, I do want
Speaker 1: to mention that, um, somebody just point out to us
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs was a second round pick as well, So yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. That was, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: relatively recent. You're right because I keep thinking of him
Speaker 1: milliona first because they were talking about him at seventeen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pick fifty one. I believe that sixty. Actually, I think
Speaker 1: it is what it was. Was it sixty? I think
Speaker 1: he was picked. These drafts all kind of run together,
Speaker 1: but the last two, especially the COVID drafts, just kind
Speaker 1: of blend together. For me, they don't stand out. He
Speaker 1: was picked fifty one. I might have forgotten he was
Speaker 1: a second round pick, but I can still remember the number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got fifty one. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: change the overall narrative all that much. And to your point,
Speaker 1: last time we heard Kelvin is out there working out,
Speaker 1: So we'll keep an eye on that. In the meantime,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break. We got plenty of
Speaker 1: questions from y'all coming up in the second segment. Stick
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Speaker 1: that because you think about I was just thinking about
Speaker 1: digs and you're right, the COVID drafts and stuff like
Speaker 1: all blends together. They blends together, and you're thinking, like, man,
Speaker 1: that guy was a second round pick because I remember
Speaker 1: we talked about him as an option at seventeen. That's
Speaker 1: why it's okay, seventeen okay, and the iron And I'm
Speaker 1: not calling anybody out because I felt the same way. Yeah, universally,
Speaker 1: the way everybody felt about Treyvon was like, like him
Speaker 1: not at seventeen, don't do it at seventeen. But if
Speaker 1: you new two years ago that he'd be in all pro,
Speaker 1: that's amazing how you just forget things that happened because
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of like, like, but I remember, but
Speaker 1: there's more. They've had more problems at two than they
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, that's been. That's been. So Will took
Speaker 1: over in fourteen. DeMarcus Lawrence Randy, who was good but
Speaker 1: barely played relative to how long he should be still
Speaker 1: should still be here if his agent doesn't pull the
Speaker 1: rug out. I mean that's fair. But even still, like
Speaker 1: I think by his seventh year in the league, I
Speaker 1: think he played like fifty games or something like that.
Speaker 1: Then you got Jalen Cheeto was was a solid pick,
Speaker 1: not a home run. Uh. I would say the same
Speaker 1: thing about Connor Williams. And then Tristan Hill. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: anything to get super excited about. And then you find
Speaker 1: and then you get Treyvon and we'll see what happened better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hit and miss. Anyway, you know what time it is,
Speaker 1: it's the second segment. That's when we answer y'all's questions
Speaker 1: otherwise known as Twitter on the t Since we were
Speaker 1: doing this in the first segment, I'll just keep it
Speaker 1: going with a question from Brian, Brian with an eye
Speaker 1: not a why he wants to know about trading up
Speaker 1: to the jets tenth overall pick and going back to
Speaker 1: your point, maybe the trade market's a little less robust.
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have to do a one
Speaker 1: next year's one to do that? And also who would
Speaker 1: you do it for? See we have Steven Jones on
Speaker 1: today on one oh five three the Fan. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: he's being interviewed I think at eleven o'clock here so
Speaker 1: I don't know in time for us to get off
Speaker 1: the air. Yeah. So, and I asked, asked one of
Speaker 1: the questions. I sit and ask one of the guys
Speaker 1: if they would ask him the question about has he
Speaker 1: starting to hear what Bobby Belt, Peter King and others
Speaker 1: are about about trading up? Is the price to go up?
Speaker 1: Or is it just are there a bunch of those
Speaker 1: teams that are starting to call and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll be willing to back out. Maybe you haven't talked parameters,
Speaker 1: but I just keep an eye. I don't you know
Speaker 1: if Steven would tell me in this interview today that hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: this this price of going up might not be as
Speaker 1: steep as everybody thinks. And I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that Bobby and both Peter are talking to enough people
Speaker 1: around the league that they're getting you know, I've got
Speaker 1: my what might call my gang of seven that I
Speaker 1: haven't been able to visit with yet about that. So
Speaker 1: you know, maybe on Thursday we'll have a little bit
Speaker 1: better understanding. But if the Jets, okay, if you're going
Speaker 1: for ten, what are we going to do there? What's
Speaker 1: our plan? Is our plant Stingley? Is our plan? Cross
Speaker 1: is our plan the linebacker Voyd. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of where you know, I'm kind of thinking if
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner hangs around, I'm interested. Yeah, but I if
Speaker 1: I'm doing that, I really I want to do it
Speaker 1: for a tackle and you got it. Actually, I'll fold
Speaker 1: this in just real quick because Bernie. Bernie wants to
Speaker 1: know why we don't talk more about Ikey Aquano, and
Speaker 1: I think the and he's talking about in a trade,
Speaker 1: I think the answer is just because I expect him
Speaker 1: to be a top five pick. Yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like on a lot of people boards he might
Speaker 1: be the number one guy I know when I know
Speaker 1: doing talk with it again, the giant stuff they were
Speaker 1: looking at. The real right tackle to me is the
Speaker 1: kid from Alabama. That's Neil. That's the one that's the
Speaker 1: real guy. Aquanu. I think you play left or right.
Speaker 1: I think cross is probably a better left than a right.
Speaker 1: But I mean I love him for the possibility of
Speaker 1: having him. I think you could train him both. But
Speaker 1: to me, Aquanu is like there's there's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that when this is all said
Speaker 1: and done, he is going to be their their top tackle.
Speaker 1: On the board, and that's probably why you don't talk
Speaker 1: to him, because there's so many teams really ahead of
Speaker 1: you that could use those offensive tackles. I think the
Speaker 1: Jags are overthinking it if they, like, I don't. Aidan
Speaker 1: Hutchinson and Trevan Walker are both great players, Cavon Thibodeau
Speaker 1: as well, But I think I think there's so much
Speaker 1: uncertainty with those guys, and I'm not confident any like
Speaker 1: I don't see, I don't I don't get the impression
Speaker 1: or at least I'm not confident that those guys are
Speaker 1: gonna be Miles Garris. See that's the thing. And when
Speaker 1: you think about that, like give me I yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that they do. I know they'd signed Cam Robinson
Speaker 1: said it's franchise tag. I don't care protect Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: See that's to me. When you're when you know, when
Speaker 1: you're Trent Baukie, who the general manager in Jacksonville, you're
Speaker 1: now making moves with like one foot in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: You know you're you're not gonna get another you know
Speaker 1: you're you're as Brian Broadest favorite idiot. You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Hutchinson. I really am. It's a
Speaker 1: good player. I think he's a good player too, I
Speaker 1: really do. And you know what, he's probably the one
Speaker 1: guy at the first overall pick you want the least
Speaker 1: amount of holes in you know, you don't want a
Speaker 1: guy that has a bunch of holes in him that
Speaker 1: you're like, oh well, I can't when that is. The
Speaker 1: line on Hutchinson is that he's got a really high floor, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what do you think his ceiling is? Like? Do
Speaker 1: you see him as a perennial all? See? I mean,
Speaker 1: I was watching guys like It's funny because when I
Speaker 1: watch guys like Sailor and that, you know, the Georgia
Speaker 1: tack cool and stuff, and I'm trying to get a gauge.
Speaker 1: I'm watching these guys playing and that guys are having
Speaker 1: some success and I'm talking about a third round tackle
Speaker 1: to move to guard. Maybe I should have Sailor in
Speaker 1: the second round. If you if you're blocking Hutchinson and
Speaker 1: guys like that Walker getting blocked them, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: I'm with you. To me, taking the offensive tackle there
Speaker 1: makes the most sense because I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that when you draft a tackle, they play ten twelve,
Speaker 1: thirteen years. I just think about the couch a cornerstone player.
Speaker 1: They put a sticker on your locker plate every time
Speaker 1: you go to a Pro Bowl. Tyron Smith's has just
Speaker 1: covered in them, like you can't even see the wood anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just feel more confident that Aquanu is going
Speaker 1: to have like ten Pro Bowl stickers than those than
Speaker 1: those Threshers. Sure. Going back to the Jets thing, also,
Speaker 1: I think it's worth noting when you talk about these teams,
Speaker 1: the Jets have a ton of big picks. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: picked twice in the top ten. They also picked twice
Speaker 1: in the thirty they got They got Seattle's pick too,
Speaker 1: That's what's helping him, right. Seattle's pick is at ten
Speaker 1: and thirty five is the other pick at thirty five
Speaker 1: and thirty eight, thirty eight again at sixty nine. There
Speaker 1: you go, which is really nice for them. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I just wonder if they care about adding ammunition. No,
Speaker 1: they care about Again, there's another general manager that's got
Speaker 1: one foot in the parking lot. You know, he's hiring coaches.
Speaker 1: He's he's he's that Jets. Yeah didn't Joe Douglas, did you?
Speaker 1: Just he's like done a decent job. So far. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is depends on what. Yeah, Woody Johnson.
Speaker 1: Woody Johnson, the owner was over in Europe being an
Speaker 1: ambassador right for like for a little time, and now
Speaker 1: he's back in the building. I think Joe Douglas is
Speaker 1: kind of I think the jury's really kind of out
Speaker 1: on him right now. This. I mean, there's you know,
Speaker 1: if this, if this, if the Wilson pick doesn't work
Speaker 1: at quarterback, sure, you know, if you all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he starts where he didn't like he could play
Speaker 1: next year, you know, all of a sudden that now
Speaker 1: you're like, well, that dude in Arizona is the only
Speaker 1: person in the world who can overcome messing up a
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback pick and keep your sure job. Sure,
Speaker 1: and that's the quickest way. Well, the guy in Chicago
Speaker 1: got fired. He got to do it twice. He did
Speaker 1: chev has one. When speaking of the Jags, I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So I didn't answer the Jets
Speaker 1: question because I don't know what the price of poker is. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought you gave some scenarios. I think
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to know. I'd like to know
Speaker 1: Steven Jones, though I'd like to know if he thinks,
Speaker 1: because people that I trust in respect are talking about
Speaker 1: the price of pokers not that much. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to make a run at
Speaker 1: the Jets, go for it. But if you but if
Speaker 1: it turns into where we think it normally is to
Speaker 1: go up to get into that spot, then I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm necessarily interested in doing that. CHEV had one
Speaker 1: about a lot of people have asked about our old
Speaker 1: friend Calevan Jason. Yeah, not off to a robust start.
Speaker 1: I talked to people in Jacksonville if you were to
Speaker 1: if you were willing to part part, if they were,
Speaker 1: they're willing to listen. I was told, I think you
Speaker 1: could get him for one of those fifths, not expect
Speaker 1: I don't think that's I don't think that's been asked
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys. But I specifically asked two people in
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville organization about him, and both of them said,
Speaker 1: we will listen to any offers that teams make. Well,
Speaker 1: let's all right. He's played in thirty one of thirty
Speaker 1: two possible games. He's made eleven starts, fifty career tackles,
Speaker 1: six tackles for lost, two sacks, Yeah. My problem is,
Speaker 1: I mean, you go back to that year, we caught
Speaker 1: a lot of flak about Calavon because he went to LSU,
Speaker 1: right it usually do with these players. In reality, we
Speaker 1: were just hunting the Cowboys needs and if you go back,
Speaker 1: we had plenty of concerns. And again I haven't watched
Speaker 1: him play a whole lot, but it just looking at
Speaker 1: his stat line, it looks like he's living up to
Speaker 1: those concerns, which is is he kind of a one
Speaker 1: trick pony? Can he stay on the field for three downs?
Speaker 1: Is he big enough and run support? The Cowboys stack
Speaker 1: did them a favor, the fact that they stacked their
Speaker 1: board in the way and then but CD appearing the
Speaker 1: way he was, I think that worked doubt fine with
Speaker 1: Fowler and Basham and Armstrong and obviously Mica like would
Speaker 1: you even would you even want him? I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds mean, but yeah, well, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: maybe to me, I would want him because I trust
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. That's a wonderful point, you know. That's why
Speaker 1: I have hope for Fowler, because we're still thinking about
Speaker 1: the coaching staff as like an asset that can make
Speaker 1: this time this time last year, we were not given
Speaker 1: Curse a chance in hell. And now it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't draft a safety, would you. We got Curse,
Speaker 1: we got Hooker. Come on, we ain't drafted the safety
Speaker 1: where this time last year, we're like, my god, they
Speaker 1: need a safety. Got a draft a safety. But I mean,
Speaker 1: my hope is that Fowler. My hope that Fowler is
Speaker 1: he finds something again with dan Quinn. I'm not married
Speaker 1: to Fowler. I'm hopeful that I give I give dan
Speaker 1: Quinn all the credit for making players better than they are.
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn deserves the benefit of the doubt he does.
Speaker 1: And Dante Fowler was a top five pick, Like, I'm
Speaker 1: absolutely uptimistic. Now he might have been wrong about this
Speaker 1: corner because he had his head his fingerprints on that
Speaker 1: one too. Yeah, I we'll see what happens there. I
Speaker 1: know we've answered this question already, but it's an interesting one,
Speaker 1: and people keep bringing up we are a show of
Speaker 1: the people. Steve. Steve wants a CD scenario. Steve wants
Speaker 1: to know the guy that you would laugh at the
Speaker 1: mock draft that sent you to send him to Dallas.
Speaker 1: But if he was there, you have to draft him. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a really good question, because I think it would
Speaker 1: be the draft where you got I think the mock
Speaker 1: draft where you got Stingley would be the one that
Speaker 1: kind of makes me. He just he just keeps coming
Speaker 1: up as he's the best player that seems to have
Speaker 1: the most reason why he would fall. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I think I would I would laugh at you
Speaker 1: if I think said I think that I think Wilson
Speaker 1: from Ohio State to watch ses Garrett Wilson would be
Speaker 1: another one that I would kind of laugh at you
Speaker 1: that maybe that scenario. Um, it's so funny because when
Speaker 1: we first started this journey, Walker from Georgia was a
Speaker 1: guy that we were just I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: every every mock draft I ever saw was Walker, Walker, Walker,
Speaker 1: Walker Walker. Now you don't even see that anymore. If
Speaker 1: somebody puts Walker there, you kind of like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean when we first were doing this, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know. And then there's the you know, there's the
Speaker 1: highlights right there with with Walker as you see a
Speaker 1: really good football player. I have two thoughts, and these
Speaker 1: The first one, he ain't fallen to twenty four. That is,
Speaker 1: it's simply impossible. But going back to our previous conversation.
Speaker 1: How far about Hamilton, Well, you can mention him. I
Speaker 1: actually wasn't. How far would Cavan Thibadeau have to fall
Speaker 1: before you started to get interested? I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: I mean, because it's pure It purely seems to be
Speaker 1: a non football thing that is pushing him down. You
Speaker 1: you you brought something up. If I went, if I
Speaker 1: got to six, I would put him in the mix.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he gets I wouldn't hate it, would
Speaker 1: put him Gardner and Cross all in the mix at six,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate it. Yeah, And he's my number one
Speaker 1: player on my board, of my of the guys I've done,
Speaker 1: he's the number one guy. See, I kind of I
Speaker 1: take him back a little bit of what I said, because,
Speaker 1: like I do, if one of those edges becomes a stud,
Speaker 1: I would put my money on Thibodeau. He just has
Speaker 1: the most freakish ability of it. Does the thing about
Speaker 1: it is. And we're going to learn this with all
Speaker 1: these players that have this in nil stuff. More of
Speaker 1: these players are going to become very brand conscious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's like, well does he
Speaker 1: look a football and does he care about the brand?
Speaker 1: Does he care about every every year because these players,
Speaker 1: these top players are going to make millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: And so now it's about brand and you know, are
Speaker 1: we're going to keep questioning and we, like I say,
Speaker 1: you're from now, We're going to have a conversation where
Speaker 1: it's gonna be like not even like does he care
Speaker 1: about football? It's like he cares about his brand and
Speaker 1: he cares about playing football. You have to talk about
Speaker 1: both of them. I don't have a problem with that,
Speaker 1: and the people that run this team definitely shouldn't have
Speaker 1: a problem with that. The other one I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up is like, maybe like a Malik willis obviously
Speaker 1: not that you're going to draft a quarterback, but if
Speaker 1: the right guy falls to you at twenty four, maybe
Speaker 1: that makes your life interesting in the sense of somebody
Speaker 1: trying to come get him. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're interested in going backwards there, that
Speaker 1: would be something you absolutely have to think about. I
Speaker 1: think that, I think the quarterback situation Caroline at six
Speaker 1: and then and I'm probably gonna forget somebody, but I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that Pittsburgh has done so much due diligence
Speaker 1: on a quarterback at twenty likely there's gonna be one
Speaker 1: gone right in front of you there from four picks.
Speaker 1: All right. I love this question from Andy. I love
Speaker 1: forward thinking, outside the box questions. He says, based on
Speaker 1: the parameters and the thresholds that we know about, like
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys like in players, are there any guys
Speaker 1: that stand out to you that we should be talking
Speaker 1: more about. And two, I'll just throw these two out
Speaker 1: there if you tell if you think I'm crazy, tell
Speaker 1: me Arnold Avid Katie, the Penn State edge rusher, mainly
Speaker 1: just because he's like the second longest pass rusher in
Speaker 1: the class, sure behind Thibadeau. And then another guy that
Speaker 1: I've heard the Cowboys like is Michael Clemens out of
Speaker 1: A and M. He's not a big time prospect, but
Speaker 1: I just feel like maybe he fits their their mold
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I kind of feel like it
Speaker 1: maybe that we I'm always leary to talk about these
Speaker 1: safeties because it's something that they really don't cut it
Speaker 1: all that much. Sure, but man, you have to give
Speaker 1: those guys their due. I think that we're not I don't.
Speaker 1: I think we're not talking about potentially McDuffie, the Washington Corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a guy. He doesn't have the ideal
Speaker 1: length and all that stuff like that, But man, that
Speaker 1: is I mean we're only talking. I mean, we say
Speaker 1: Gardner Stanley, but McDuffie at twenty four, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know that's a guy. I mean, if I was picking
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, wow, okay, well let's where do you
Speaker 1: where do you have him in relation to say some
Speaker 1: of the some of the other guys on your board,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, do you do you have anybody?
Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm looking at I'm looking at
Speaker 1: mcduffey right now. He's my fifteenth best player on my board.
Speaker 1: But behind him, I have like Dax Hill, the safety
Speaker 1: from Michigan, Karloftus from Purdue, the Kobe Dean, Chris o'lave.
Speaker 1: You know, those are the guys that I have behind him,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm kind of like, you know that
Speaker 1: I'm in that mode right now where there's some pretty
Speaker 1: good players behind him. But I don't think we're talking
Speaker 1: about him for really at twenty four McDuffie. Yeah, with
Speaker 1: him being the fifteenth best player on my board and
Speaker 1: you got him at twenty four, I think you got
Speaker 1: a steal right there. I really do. That's an interesting
Speaker 1: point because the reason I don't think him out McDuffie
Speaker 1: is the length. I mean, you'll see the type of
Speaker 1: DBS Quinn was trying to get last year. He just
Speaker 1: doesn't fit that, and so it's easy to just kind
Speaker 1: of write him off. But maybe that's a case where
Speaker 1: the tape is so good. Yeah, if he's the best
Speaker 1: guy there, it's like we can live with that. And yeah,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn obviously wasn't here, but they did that with
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. Like Jordan Lewis does not match what they
Speaker 1: look for right at all? Right, they just took the
Speaker 1: best player on their boards. What they did real quick, quickly, Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brevity is the soul of wit. Questions from Reid and Mike.
Speaker 1: Reid wants to know about Danny Gray, the SMU receiver,
Speaker 1: and Mike wants to know about Donovan West the Arizona
Speaker 1: State Good Center. Okay, I'm not as high on West,
Speaker 1: but I will say this about I will say this
Speaker 1: about you said Gray, right, Danny Gray I did. That's
Speaker 1: big time explosive the summer again, reading off my notes here,
Speaker 1: you know he'll make place all over the field, the screens,
Speaker 1: the drags, the ver balls. He's super productive when it
Speaker 1: comes to finishing plays, and I think he brings down
Speaker 1: the ball and clutch situations. I think you you know
Speaker 1: when you watch him play, I mean especially in off coverage.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can close the cushion faster than those
Speaker 1: guys can even react. So I mean the tracking skills
Speaker 1: and all that. We're watching the highlights right now and
Speaker 1: as you could see that, you know, tracking the ball,
Speaker 1: getting the feet down. Those are the kinds of things
Speaker 1: I mean, there are there are just multiple ways of
Speaker 1: getting him the football, and there's multiple ways of him
Speaker 1: making some super plays for you now west the center,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some other guys that I'm
Speaker 1: at center wise that I'm kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: more in love with. I think he was a little
Speaker 1: banged up during the season, so he missed several games.
Speaker 1: He's a straight legged blocker for me, but he kind
Speaker 1: of holds his man in place, you know. I like
Speaker 1: his upper body power the stream. You don't see him
Speaker 1: getting rocked back or anything, but he plays a little
Speaker 1: up right, and you know that seems to you know,
Speaker 1: to bother him some but I kind of like the athlete,
Speaker 1: the foot athlete, and something like that. Size helps him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a three two hundred ninety six pound guy,
Speaker 1: but you know, he usually doesn't appear to be playing
Speaker 1: very fast. He's not a lazy kid, but there's not
Speaker 1: a really a lot of sense of urgency to his game,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of wonder about that. But I
Speaker 1: think his ability to move as his best trait for sure.
Speaker 1: Day three, Yeah, I got him in the Let me
Speaker 1: make sure I don't want to ever get these things
Speaker 1: wrong because I'm looking at my board. I should not.
Speaker 1: You know, Dane just fires these things off the top
Speaker 1: of his head. And Dane's got a photographic member he's
Speaker 1: got he's got a photograph. I got him in the
Speaker 1: fourth round today. And Gray sorry, and Gray is in
Speaker 1: the fourth round as well. There's gonna be like, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy's worth getting really excited about there
Speaker 1: at the top of day three. Yeah, it always is
Speaker 1: that that round is the round is a lot what
Speaker 1: we called the you know how I mean, Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: was sitting there, yeah, Saturday last year, so exactly, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens. We appreciate your questions. As always, we
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Speaker 1: And the more I do it, the more I would
Speaker 1: think the offseason is just the best. Get to talk
Speaker 1: about draft, get to go hang out in Indianapolis, and
Speaker 1: even saying elmos, you don't have like the stakes of
Speaker 1: just knowing that everyone's going to be miserable if they
Speaker 1: lose the game, or riding too high if they win
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, if you could, if you could just say, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick our team and do free agency and
Speaker 1: then put it on paper and determine who's the best team,
Speaker 1: I would take that as a mythical. You know, the
Speaker 1: hand me the trophy. Yeah, we were the best. See
Speaker 1: the Rams would in that case would have well, the
Speaker 1: Rams adding all their players would have been probably something
Speaker 1: that we would have been really really you know high on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have had the trophy. Last, they could have
Speaker 1: had the trap. Don't Don't get me wrong, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are not going to win a trophy for the way
Speaker 1: that they're doing an offseason right now. But the but
Speaker 1: the drafting part of it, they've gotten down pretty good
Speaker 1: that they have. Yeah, which, hey, I mentioned Jabril Cox.
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget like you. I think I forgot that.
Speaker 1: Diggs was right, Yeah, I think your your interest naturally,
Speaker 1: it's only natural to kind of fall off as you
Speaker 1: go down the draft. Yeah, but it's so it's easy
Speaker 1: to forget, like the guys that we've gotten really excited about,
Speaker 1: like the Jabril Coxes of the Xavier Woods. That's the
Speaker 1: funny thing about it. And when I was when I
Speaker 1: was working in the draft room last time was two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, and I never wanted to leave the
Speaker 1: room because I always felt like I was going to
Speaker 1: miss something, you know, I felt like I was going
Speaker 1: to miss a trade. I was, and people in the
Speaker 1: draft room kind of come and go, you know, they
Speaker 1: just kind of like mosey yea with a sandwich. They
Speaker 1: munch on it for a few minute, then they leave.
Speaker 1: And but I always, I just never ever ever wanted
Speaker 1: to leave that room, not until it was over. I
Speaker 1: mean until they said, okay, mister irrelevant. Here it is.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave that room and because there's
Speaker 1: so much the twist and turns, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: experience everything about it. You know that, Because that is
Speaker 1: I mean your promiti, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: a segment today before I know, we gotta get some
Speaker 1: questions and stuff like that. So I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: segment today on one oh five three the Fan. I
Speaker 1: got my draft notes from the Tom Brady Draft in
Speaker 1: two thousand outstanding, and you know, just the kind of
Speaker 1: I was downsizing my life a little bit and I
Speaker 1: was pulling stuff, moving it around, and I went and
Speaker 1: I found my Tom Brady draft notes and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna do a segment about that today.
Speaker 1: And just all the quarterbacks we talked about, I think,
Speaker 1: forget it's not about like, it's not about getting taken
Speaker 1: advantage of in the trademarket or any of the teams
Speaker 1: don't want you to know all their grades on this
Speaker 1: stiff Yeah, because when you have to grade every single
Speaker 1: player in the draft, yeah, you're gonna look stupid. At
Speaker 1: least a few times. You will stoop are absolutely going through. Okay,
Speaker 1: my dream in life, I'm willing this into existence. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about somebody the Cowboys draft on day three
Speaker 1: and one of these tell me more segments. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: just get into it. I think we can go a
Speaker 1: little faster than usual because it's just you and me. Sure,
Speaker 1: Snoop Connor. Snoop Connor running back out of all miss. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting about Snoop Connor, I think is
Speaker 1: he's really kind of a straight ahead power runner. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have much wiggle or the ability to make the
Speaker 1: first guy miss. You know, he's the type that just
Speaker 1: kind of gets you what you can. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not going to create much in the running game. He's steady,
Speaker 1: he's productive. He's good in the red zone due to
Speaker 1: his power. I mean you could see him. He's a hoss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a tough guy. When it comes at five ten,
Speaker 1: two twenty two pounds, you can see right there, just
Speaker 1: a little slight cut and then boom, just run through
Speaker 1: the tackler like that. But that that time you see
Speaker 1: right there is accurate. I mean that's a four or
Speaker 1: five nine guy right there. And again, very steady, very much.
Speaker 1: Keep the pads down and run through people. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's really kind of a backup guy
Speaker 1: at at at an old miss, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what he's going to be at at in the in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Kind of a backup guy that's a home
Speaker 1: run not a home runner, but a really really good player.
Speaker 1: Does he fit your idea of what this team needs
Speaker 1: behind Zeke? And tell yeah, it's funny because I didn't
Speaker 1: see him do much pass blocking, but he caught a
Speaker 1: swing pass against Alabama, like when it was behind him
Speaker 1: and is able to adjust. So at least one of
Speaker 1: the ideas that you see about him is he can
Speaker 1: catch the football, you know, and made a difficult catch
Speaker 1: right there. You know, you could see, you know in
Speaker 1: that game that that whole open up nice he was
Speaker 1: able to get through it, and you know, that's what
Speaker 1: he can do. He can finish. But I especially like
Speaker 1: him in these, like these situations right on the goal
Speaker 1: line where he could just kind of power through guys.
Speaker 1: Where do you have him? I have him? He always
Speaker 1: ask me these questions, and I have to go back
Speaker 1: to my either board and see where I have Stoop.
Speaker 1: I have Stoop from the fifth I have him behind Haskins,
Speaker 1: who we did last week from Michigan last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel that it just this class with the running backs.
Speaker 1: It kind of seems like there's there's a short list
Speaker 1: of guys that you would take on day two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then there's about fifteen guys. It's like, ah, somewhere
Speaker 1: in the fourth of the fifth, I'll tell you what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really the guy I really like if you want
Speaker 1: to talk about a running back is James Cook from Georgia.
Speaker 1: That's the guy Dalvin's brother. Yeah, that's the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think he's got some all around traits to his game.
Speaker 1: If you have a chance to watch Georgia number four,
Speaker 1: James Cook, you watched the Tennessee game. You look at
Speaker 1: Beamer pulling up some stats. I mean, look at him.
Speaker 1: We didn't even tell Chris we were going to talk about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is the kind of stuff. This is
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get coverage was because Beams on this
Speaker 1: all the time. But yeah, you know this is you know,
Speaker 1: the handing the ball. Look at this right here. Though
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna just take it, He's gonna press
Speaker 1: and make a little slight cut Boom Secondary score in
Speaker 1: South Carolina. He does that a lot. I mean the
Speaker 1: ball kind of starts sideways and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's going forward through that hole. It's not a coincidence
Speaker 1: that I wanted to take a look at a couple
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks today just in case Tarik Castro Fields out
Speaker 1: of Penn State tell me more. Yeah. I think with
Speaker 1: Castro Fields, this is this is a guy that you
Speaker 1: know when Penn State has got some of these guys
Speaker 1: where you're you're kind of like, man, is this guy
Speaker 1: good enough? I mean he flashes, he can line up
Speaker 1: at either cornerback spot, and I think he's got excellent
Speaker 1: time speed. I mean you look at that that four
Speaker 1: three eight. There's times when you see him really use
Speaker 1: that and he could drive on the ball when he
Speaker 1: really sees it. He's had seasons where he's had more
Speaker 1: pass breakups than he did in twenty twenty one, So
Speaker 1: that shows me he can be around the ball. There's
Speaker 1: some bounce to his game when you watch him move.
Speaker 1: I mean he can come forward. He does a nice
Speaker 1: job of avoiding blocks when he has a chance to
Speaker 1: make the play. He's got the body, control, the foot,
Speaker 1: quickness to pedal, he can collect, he can go. There's
Speaker 1: some makeup speed. I mean yeah, when they when you
Speaker 1: try and run past this guy, he is going to
Speaker 1: find a way to run you down, just like he
Speaker 1: did that poor holder who dropped a snap in that game.
Speaker 1: So willing, physical downhill player. As far as the support goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he consistently trust his eyes all
Speaker 1: the time and what he sees. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what though, the ball skills and stuff like that I
Speaker 1: think are pretty good. Dan Quinn was in state college
Speaker 1: this spring one with alt castro Field. Damn near thirty
Speaker 1: one in arms too right short of that, so go
Speaker 1: works for me. Guy that was at the Star at
Speaker 1: some point in the last month talking about later round
Speaker 1: center prospects. How about Dawson Deaton, the center out of
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. Well, I'll tell you what, man. You know,
Speaker 1: when you gave me this guy to watch, I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, under my breath, I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, Dave. And then I watched. Then I watched
Speaker 1: him play, and I was right, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: haven't watched him now. He's six six, he's three oh six.
Speaker 1: He's a tall, thin guy. On tape there. Doesn't have
Speaker 1: much former bulk to his game, but he's super athletic
Speaker 1: and the way he moves around, he's he's an excellent
Speaker 1: position blocker. He like he manages to keep his body
Speaker 1: in the way, keeps himself between the ball and the defender,
Speaker 1: and he's kind a way of a knack for tying
Speaker 1: up defenders. And you know, you could watch him in
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma game, you know with their inside people that
Speaker 1: that we that we kind of like there and he
Speaker 1: gets stalemates and you know, I mean he's gonna do
Speaker 1: a good job as a pass protector. I didn't see
Speaker 1: him get driven back. I mean for a kind of
Speaker 1: a guy that lacks a little bulk, but those numbers
Speaker 1: are legit right there. I mean, he is a three
Speaker 1: hundred and nine pound guy that in that time you
Speaker 1: could tell of the athletic ability to kind of move
Speaker 1: around the way he does. I meant he was here,
Speaker 1: I passed by him a few weeks ago. How do
Speaker 1: you look thin He is a cender block of a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is a big boy. Yeah, you mentioned the Oklahoma game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you do against Winfrey? I think he did
Speaker 1: a pretty good job That's what I'm saying, Like he's
Speaker 1: reaching those wide techniques. I think he's better when he
Speaker 1: didn't have a guy directly on his nose because he
Speaker 1: kind of gets he gets it's not compressed, but he
Speaker 1: gets that stalemate and then he's able to work his
Speaker 1: feet to where it's like, Okay, I know the ball's
Speaker 1: coming off my right cheek, so I gotta turn in
Speaker 1: order to protect that guy from crossing my face right cheek. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, but I just love that phrasing
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. Look, I'll just I just I don't
Speaker 1: pick these names completely arbitrarily. We'll just throw that out there,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. How about Jalen Watson, the corner
Speaker 1: out of Washington State. Yeah, this is this is an
Speaker 1: interesting cat because to me, I don't know, I really
Speaker 1: don't know what the thing. I think this guy is
Speaker 1: like super competitive and I think he plays with a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, so I kind of like that
Speaker 1: about him. He played both corner spots for the Cougars there,
Speaker 1: and he's a long, rangy guy. In six two one
Speaker 1: ninety seven. The majority of his snaps say play is
Speaker 1: an off coverage and you'll see him like back pedal
Speaker 1: then bail, you know that Susan snap bail, and that's
Speaker 1: that's that kind of that zone. But he will adjust
Speaker 1: from there. He's got some strength for the position and
Speaker 1: he uses that physicality like when he gets up. You
Speaker 1: watch the Senior Bowl cut ups and stuff like that
Speaker 1: of this kid when he's playing more press. He's up
Speaker 1: on his guy and he's long enough and he's able
Speaker 1: to kind of turn and stay with and get in
Speaker 1: position to maintain that that integrity of the coverage right there.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, man, I mean, he is
Speaker 1: a he does a great job of finding the football.
Speaker 1: He'll he'll throw himself in there. As far as the
Speaker 1: run support stuff like that. I will say this though, Man,
Speaker 1: he's got some wild, crazy technique tackling. I mean he
Speaker 1: really really does. And so you might you might make
Speaker 1: the play, and you might not make the play, but
Speaker 1: he will come flying forward and try and make the
Speaker 1: play again every bit of six two and one ninety
Speaker 1: seven pounds. He wears number zero. By the way, at
Speaker 1: Washington States. He can watch him play. You're trying to think, okay,
Speaker 1: is that a misprint? You know, you're thinking you have
Speaker 1: to look it up. But no, it's a new age.
Speaker 1: He's actually wearing number zero. That sounds vaguely familiar to
Speaker 1: the scouting report we got on Nishan. Right. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like I mean, it's kind of all over the
Speaker 1: wild ass. He'll put his head, he'll put his head
Speaker 1: in there. He's not afraid. Yeah, all right, Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember this guy making some plays in mobile,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we've talked about him a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Romeo Doubs the wide receiver out of Nevada. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: this is a guy and this was one of those
Speaker 1: and you gave me this responsibility. This is one in
Speaker 1: the morning watching this kid play is with this dedication. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was working on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I say, oh, I forgot him last night or two nights, yes,
Speaker 1: tonight last night. I was watching him till about one.
Speaker 1: I went to bed a solid two hours before you.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to he looks the part of tape.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's six two, he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: one pounds. That all that stuff is legit about him.
Speaker 1: I mean his height and length combinations are outstanding. As
Speaker 1: you can see he was a quarterback when he came
Speaker 1: in and then they moved him to wide receiver and
Speaker 1: he's had some games where he's absolutely just lit it up.
Speaker 1: And this quarterback there is a Strong is his name,
Speaker 1: and Carson Strong. So yeah, when you watch Strong, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: who's he throwing through this number seven? And as you
Speaker 1: can see, the ball's going down the field, the ball's
Speaker 1: coming underneath on the screens and stuff like that. There
Speaker 1: were times where there were Strong just fired it into
Speaker 1: a spot in traffic and somehow this guy came down
Speaker 1: with the football. So you know this guy any by
Speaker 1: the way, this guy's also and I don't know if
Speaker 1: Beamer might have picked it up, but this guy is
Speaker 1: a punt returner. Oh here we go. Look at Beam.
Speaker 1: Look at Beam being just a stud here right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: here you go that that's what I'm saying. Punt this
Speaker 1: guy averaged. This guy average like fourteen yards a punt
Speaker 1: return and which is six in the country for that.
Speaker 1: So you can see ball going down the field, going
Speaker 1: up getting it. Punt returner kind the like of a guy.
Speaker 1: It's got a lot of a lot of good traits
Speaker 1: to his game. You sound intrigued. I am kind of
Speaker 1: a fifth round type of guy. Maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: higher than that, but you know, we'll see with with
Speaker 1: legitimately with what somebody thinks about. But the fact that
Speaker 1: he could do a couple of different things I think
Speaker 1: says a lot about his about his game and as
Speaker 1: about as potential he is. I think he's dealing with
Speaker 1: a knee issue that limited him there in the pre
Speaker 1: draft process, but he was he wasn't mobile. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't so I don't know if it happened there, but uh,
Speaker 1: something to watch, which for those of you, it's so
Speaker 1: funny because like I listened to podcasts. I don't know
Speaker 1: about you. I listened in the car. But if you're
Speaker 1: listening and you're eithery're missing to missing me and Ryan
Speaker 1: freaking out about the highlight packages, you can find that
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, on our on the on the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com app. Um, I mean, Chris Beam
Speaker 1: does a fantastic job of footing highlight packages with all
Speaker 1: these guys. So if you need a visual component and
Speaker 1: you're listening in your car or while you're walking your
Speaker 1: dog or whatever, you can find that on YouTube or
Speaker 1: the app. Brian this was fun. Man, it was We're
Speaker 1: getting closet week away on Thursday, week away on Thursday.
Speaker 1: What you what you've got right now is like it says,
Speaker 1: we finished the thing up. You know. The scouts they're
Speaker 1: trying to they're trying to put together that board. They're
Speaker 1: trying to put together the stack. The Cowboys we talked
Speaker 1: about are a little bit different than the fact that
Speaker 1: they get all their medical inn they get all the
Speaker 1: workouts in, they get all the pro days in, everything
Speaker 1: like that is taken care of. So now they have
Speaker 1: the way of just kind of putting their board together
Speaker 1: and working around Jerry and Stephen schedule. So probably you
Speaker 1: might start hearing some things about, hey, they like Green
Speaker 1: better than Johnson and all that. You got to figure
Speaker 1: out the smoke, you know, you gotta figure out that smoke, right.
Speaker 1: I just sort of I just sort of listen to
Speaker 1: everything and try not to jump to conclusion. Just know
Speaker 1: that the players were talking about are the same players
Speaker 1: they're talking about. True that m Kyle will be back Thursday. Yep,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a mock draft next week. Oh kind
Speaker 1: of walk y'all through what Thursday or the following week.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like I'm thinking Tuesday, like draft. We always
Speaker 1: kind of traditionally did that. Yeah, so we'll have plenty
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