WEBVTT - 6. Fuck the World 0:00:15.036 --> 0:00:22.036 Pushkin Hey, Lost Hills listeners, It's Dana. I wanted to 0:00:22.076 --> 0:00:24.196 let you know that you can hear the entire new 0:00:24.236 --> 0:00:27.556 season of Lost Hill's ad free, along with other great 0:00:27.596 --> 0:00:31.836 binge listens by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Find Pushkin 0:00:31.916 --> 0:00:35.156 Plus on the Lost Hills show page in Apple Podcasts, 0:00:35.356 --> 0:00:39.236 or at pushkin dot fm, slash Plus. 0:00:44.636 --> 0:00:47.196 Hi Dana, Helloha from Maui. 0:00:48.036 --> 0:00:53.876 Hi Diane. This is Diane Ustervine. She's lived in Hawaii 0:00:53.876 --> 0:00:57.036 for decades and for years had a business selling vintage 0:00:57.036 --> 0:01:02.956 Hawaiian shirts. Among her customers Jack Nicholson and Sharon Stone, 0:01:03.676 --> 0:01:06.876 but once upon a time, Diane was one of Mickey 0:01:06.916 --> 0:01:07.916 Dora's girlfriends. 0:01:09.676 --> 0:01:14.636 I grew up in Los Angeles, in the Valley Insino 0:01:14.836 --> 0:01:16.196 in West Hollywood. 0:01:17.316 --> 0:01:20.316 Diane was a runaway. She'd left an abusive home and 0:01:20.396 --> 0:01:22.036 found herself in foster care. 0:01:23.636 --> 0:01:28.676 I was raised strict Catholic, so I had that all 0:01:28.756 --> 0:01:32.676 that parochial schooling, and then went wild when I hit 0:01:33.036 --> 0:01:34.156 high school. 0:01:34.636 --> 0:01:38.276 Diane met Mickey in nineteen sixty two. She was seventeen, 0:01:38.756 --> 0:01:42.436 a total babe. She describes herself then as a cross 0:01:42.476 --> 0:01:45.116 between Sondra Die and Pamela Anderson. 0:01:46.356 --> 0:01:49.156 I was runner up in the MISSPKINI contest. Fall in 0:01:49.196 --> 0:01:54.876 the Springs, Blonde, blue eyed, big boobs, you know, the 0:01:54.956 --> 0:02:01.396 typical blonde valley girl, and you know, naive somewhat. 0:02:02.396 --> 0:02:04.636 Diane was at the beach for one reason and one 0:02:04.676 --> 0:02:09.436 reason alone, the reason Mickey Dora hated. I had to 0:02:09.476 --> 0:02:14.036 admit it threw some opportunities his way. Had you seen 0:02:14.636 --> 0:02:16.076 the Gidget movie at that point? 0:02:16.556 --> 0:02:20.356 Oh yeah, I know. I was impressed with it. I 0:02:20.436 --> 0:02:24.116 was intrigued with it. And that's why we started going 0:02:24.116 --> 0:02:27.116 to Malibu because we heard that's where the cute boys were. 0:02:28.476 --> 0:02:31.836 Diane didn't surf or swim. She camped out on the 0:02:31.876 --> 0:02:35.356 sand watching the guys in the water. There was one 0:02:35.436 --> 0:02:38.276 surfer who stood out. He was a showman. 0:02:39.196 --> 0:02:43.476 We were laying on the beach and everybody was attention 0:02:43.836 --> 0:02:46.636 was to the water and there seemed to be somebody 0:02:46.716 --> 0:02:49.556 performing out there, and of course that was Nky Dora. 0:02:49.876 --> 0:02:53.116 He was pushing all the boys off their boards, jumping 0:02:53.196 --> 0:02:57.636 on their board and riding it in and everybody was 0:02:57.716 --> 0:03:00.916 ooing and eyeing, and all of a sudden, I saw 0:03:00.956 --> 0:03:07.076 this amazing looking man walking out of the water. He 0:03:07.196 --> 0:03:10.956 was gorgeous. What can I say, I mean tall, dark, 0:03:11.036 --> 0:03:14.196 and handsome, every bit of the word. He was agile. 0:03:14.276 --> 0:03:17.516 He was like a dancer on a surfboard. And I 0:03:17.596 --> 0:03:19.756 fell in love the minute he walked out of the water. 0:03:20.916 --> 0:03:24.916 And he walked out through his board next to my towel, 0:03:25.196 --> 0:03:27.556 laid down, looked at me in the eye. While I 0:03:27.596 --> 0:03:30.916 could barely talk. He said to me, do you want 0:03:30.956 --> 0:03:35.276 to go to a party? I said yes, but you'll 0:03:35.316 --> 0:03:37.436 have to pick me up. He says, where do you live? 0:03:38.156 --> 0:03:40.956 I said in the valley. He says, oh, I don't 0:03:40.996 --> 0:03:41.756 go to the valley. 0:03:44.236 --> 0:03:47.796 Still, Mickey could work with this situation. He must have 0:03:47.836 --> 0:03:51.116 sensed right away that Diane was a lot like him, 0:03:51.156 --> 0:03:56.476 a beautiful, untethered orphan, someone who adored him at first sight, 0:03:57.716 --> 0:04:04.476 someone game, someone he could manipulate, someone who would be 0:04:04.556 --> 0:04:13.076 his partner in crime. I'm Dana Goodyear and this is 0:04:13.196 --> 0:04:49.756 Lost Hills, episode six. Fuck the World. At Malibu, Mickey 0:04:49.836 --> 0:04:53.356 was the king and all eyes were on him every 0:04:53.396 --> 0:04:56.636 move he made. But his life away from the beach, 0:04:57.356 --> 0:05:00.476 that was a mystery to everyone, and that's how he 0:05:00.636 --> 0:05:00.956 liked it. 0:05:01.916 --> 0:05:04.716 He didn't want anything to do with anybody. 0:05:05.516 --> 0:05:09.716 With the explosion in Surfing's popularity, the Valley Cowboy, the 0:05:09.836 --> 0:05:14.836 vals invaded Malibu. He thought they were kooks. They ruined 0:05:14.836 --> 0:05:19.276 his wave, contaminated his scene. Here's Diane. 0:05:19.476 --> 0:05:21.796 And that's what used to piss him off at Malibu 0:05:21.956 --> 0:05:26.676 because all these valley kids and kids with no talent 0:05:26.836 --> 0:05:31.516 would interfere in what he was doing. And he hated 0:05:31.556 --> 0:05:35.156 it because he used to have his peace at Malibu, 0:05:35.476 --> 0:05:38.596 you know, and that was taken away and it made 0:05:38.676 --> 0:05:39.236 him angry. 0:05:40.316 --> 0:05:42.796 Mickey didn't pick Diana up for that party he invited 0:05:42.796 --> 0:05:45.676 her to when she first saw him on the beach. No, 0:05:46.036 --> 0:05:49.636 he made her wait two weeks, refusing her and making 0:05:49.676 --> 0:05:53.156 her crazy. Finally, she invited him to dinner at her 0:05:53.196 --> 0:05:55.916 house in the valley, and he agreed. 0:05:56.836 --> 0:06:00.516 We had dinner, which was hysterical because I didn't know 0:06:00.556 --> 0:06:03.076 how to cook. And I took a piece of hamburger meat, 0:06:03.196 --> 0:06:04.836 rolled it up in a ball and put it in 0:06:04.836 --> 0:06:08.836 a pot and rolled it around. He was hysterical with laughter. 0:06:09.196 --> 0:06:12.556 Took me out to dinner. I think, I don't know something, 0:06:12.756 --> 0:06:18.116 some small place and we hung around and necked and 0:06:18.996 --> 0:06:19.996 didn't make love. 0:06:21.556 --> 0:06:24.556 Mickey wanted to see Diane again. He was living with 0:06:24.596 --> 0:06:28.396 his grandmother, Madame de Sanctis, so that wasn't a good 0:06:28.436 --> 0:06:30.996 place for them to hang out, and he wasn't going 0:06:31.036 --> 0:06:34.036 to keep going to the valley. He suggested a parking 0:06:34.076 --> 0:06:36.276 lot of a twenty four hour Burger spot in. 0:06:36.236 --> 0:06:41.636 Hollywood, and we used to meet at Tiny Naylor's parking lot, 0:06:42.276 --> 0:06:45.556 and we used to hang out in his car and 0:06:45.756 --> 0:06:48.596 talk and neck and make plans. 0:06:48.876 --> 0:06:53.596 You know, Mickey was twenty eight, Diane was still a 0:06:53.636 --> 0:06:55.996 teenager and pretty inexperienced. 0:06:57.116 --> 0:07:00.276 And he asked me why I wasn't in school and 0:07:00.316 --> 0:07:04.116 I said, well, I graduated, but they kicked me out 0:07:04.156 --> 0:07:06.996 and I couldn't go to the prom or any of 0:07:06.156 --> 0:07:11.276 the ceremonies. And he said, said why, And I said, well, 0:07:11.436 --> 0:07:14.996 I was bad. I had a friend steal a time 0:07:15.396 --> 0:07:18.116 clock from the school and we hooked it up in 0:07:18.196 --> 0:07:21.036 my locker, and then the kids would pay me a 0:07:21.076 --> 0:07:23.676 couple of bucks to come in and stamp their time 0:07:23.796 --> 0:07:27.596 card to go to class, slate or to cut class. 0:07:27.996 --> 0:07:30.396 And then I got caught because it kept making a 0:07:30.476 --> 0:07:33.156 ticking sound every time anybody would walk by. 0:07:34.396 --> 0:07:36.716 What was Mickey's reaction when you told him that story? 0:07:37.716 --> 0:07:42.636 Are you kidding? He loved it, you know, he saw 0:07:42.636 --> 0:07:44.036 a great future for us. 0:07:46.516 --> 0:07:50.276 Before long, Mickey made a proposal. But they take their 0:07:50.316 --> 0:07:51.916 relationship to the next level. 0:07:52.956 --> 0:07:55.956 One day, he said, you got to move out of 0:07:55.956 --> 0:08:01.356 the valley. He said about everybody in the valley were idiots, 0:08:02.196 --> 0:08:06.476 and he thought I wasn't. So I said, okay. He says, fine, 0:08:06.556 --> 0:08:08.636 the place, but it can't be in the valley. I 0:08:08.636 --> 0:08:13.516 said okay. So I found a place and we moved 0:08:13.556 --> 0:08:14.116 in together. 0:08:15.556 --> 0:08:17.796 With Mickey, everything was mysterious. 0:08:18.916 --> 0:08:21.116 He was famous for changing names. 0:08:21.276 --> 0:08:21.636 You know. 0:08:21.836 --> 0:08:24.436 We'd always have a you know, pseudo names that we'd 0:08:24.516 --> 0:08:25.516 make up for each other. 0:08:26.356 --> 0:08:27.716 Were What were some of those names? 0:08:28.476 --> 0:08:32.316 Oh, he was Chicky Mafe and Michelo's cyandor he was 0:08:34.036 --> 0:08:38.156 Mickey Mouse. He was many names. 0:08:38.916 --> 0:08:40.796 She decided to change her name too. 0:08:42.156 --> 0:08:46.156 My name was Alice Diane at birth, so I would 0:08:46.316 --> 0:08:49.636 always use the name Diane. But when I got with Mickey, 0:08:49.836 --> 0:08:53.916 I was using Alice. I wanted to be mysterious too. 0:08:53.956 --> 0:08:55.396 You see. 0:08:55.756 --> 0:08:58.276 She found a place in Brentwood and they named it 0:08:58.316 --> 0:09:00.796 after her, Alice's little house. 0:09:01.716 --> 0:09:04.916 It was adorable. It's a little cottage, and I kept 0:09:04.916 --> 0:09:08.036 it very neat. Micky didn't have a lot of stuff. 0:09:08.836 --> 0:09:11.396 His great joy was the fact you could go out 0:09:11.396 --> 0:09:13.236 the back door and there was a garage where he 0:09:13.276 --> 0:09:17.596 could store all the boards, and you know the vintage cars. 0:09:18.236 --> 0:09:21.956 Mickey collected antique cars, a nineteen forty eight Jaguar, a 0:09:22.036 --> 0:09:25.756 nineteen fifty eight Porsche Spider, a nineteen thirty Rolls Royce 0:09:25.876 --> 0:09:30.716 Phantom two. He had expensive taste and somewhere off stage, 0:09:30.836 --> 0:09:35.876 a supposedly aristocratic family. Diane was impressed. He was a 0:09:35.916 --> 0:09:38.916 lot more sophisticated than she was, and it kept her 0:09:38.916 --> 0:09:42.476 from thinking too hard about where the money was coming from. 0:09:43.636 --> 0:09:47.036 For Diane, living with Mickey meant living by his routines, 0:09:47.516 --> 0:09:48.916 and they were very specific. 0:09:50.316 --> 0:09:56.556 He'd wake up in the morning very early. He'd take vitamins, 0:09:57.076 --> 0:10:00.436 jump in the car with me. He picked me up 0:10:00.436 --> 0:10:04.916 a cup of coffee somewhere. We'd go down to either Malet, 0:10:04.956 --> 0:10:07.436 we were at Tressels, some bell place, you know, two 0:10:07.476 --> 0:10:10.076 or three beaches. He'd get out of the car and 0:10:10.196 --> 0:10:12.476 stare at the ocean, and I'd sit in the car 0:10:12.516 --> 0:10:15.756 and drink my coffee, thinking what the fuck is he 0:10:15.876 --> 0:10:18.916 doing and why does he do this every morning? Is 0:10:18.956 --> 0:10:22.676 he nuts? And then I'd go to work because I 0:10:22.756 --> 0:10:26.516 was working in a boutique at the time, and he 0:10:26.516 --> 0:10:29.876 would go in the garage, picked his board and surf 0:10:29.956 --> 0:10:33.956 all that. I'd come home from work, he'd be there. 0:10:34.516 --> 0:10:38.436 We'd lay in bed, listen to stock reports or the 0:10:38.556 --> 0:10:44.356 news or something, make dinner, which was usually steak, potato 0:10:44.476 --> 0:10:47.676 and wine. And I wasn't drinking at that time, but 0:10:47.716 --> 0:10:53.556 he always had good wine, and that was it. It 0:10:53.636 --> 0:10:58.756 was real simple, you know, And probably that's one of 0:10:58.756 --> 0:11:00.836 the reasons why he didn't want me to tell anybody 0:11:00.836 --> 0:11:04.196 how we lived, because it wasn't, you know, as exciting 0:11:04.236 --> 0:11:06.996 as the life that was outside of the house. 0:11:09.596 --> 0:11:12.636 Diane became the keeper of Mickey's secrets. 0:11:13.036 --> 0:11:16.556 And of course I was always warned never ever to 0:11:16.676 --> 0:11:21.396 let anybody know where he lived. So our whole relationship 0:11:21.516 --> 0:11:25.716 was super, super secret, and I loved it because i'd 0:11:25.716 --> 0:11:29.556 go lay on the beach with him and he'd be 0:11:29.636 --> 0:11:32.276 in the water, and of course all his buddies, you 0:11:32.316 --> 0:11:34.196 know it would all come up to me and start 0:11:34.276 --> 0:11:36.676 drilling me about Mickey. You know, they want to know 0:11:36.716 --> 0:11:38.756 where does he live, what does he do, what does 0:11:38.796 --> 0:11:43.596 he eat? And of course I adored the attention and 0:11:43.756 --> 0:11:47.476 wouldn't tell them a thing. And of course Mickey loved 0:11:47.476 --> 0:11:49.396 the fact that I could keep my mouth shut. 0:11:50.876 --> 0:11:53.516 What was behind all that secrecy. 0:11:53.956 --> 0:11:56.996 Probably afraid that somebody was going to come and steal 0:11:57.516 --> 0:12:02.956 stuff that he probably already stole. And other words, a 0:12:03.036 --> 0:12:06.916 thief is always suspicious that someone's going to come and 0:12:06.956 --> 0:12:09.596 steal from them. 0:12:10.636 --> 0:12:14.556 Playing house at Alice's Little House got Diane dreaming of 0:12:14.596 --> 0:12:17.756 a life with Mickey. To a seventeen year old runaway, 0:12:17.876 --> 0:12:21.756 the twenty eight year old seemed so worldly. Maybe he 0:12:21.796 --> 0:12:24.836 could offer her the stability that had eluded her so far. 0:12:26.076 --> 0:12:28.876 I knew I wanted more than you know, living in 0:12:28.876 --> 0:12:32.716 a Mormon foster home. I knew I wanted to be, 0:12:32.876 --> 0:12:37.156 you know, self sufficient. And then I met Mickey and 0:12:37.276 --> 0:12:42.636 fell madly, madly in love and thought, for sure, thought 0:12:42.676 --> 0:12:45.316 for sure I could convince him to give up surfing 0:12:46.476 --> 0:12:49.836 and marry me and have children and work for his 0:12:50.156 --> 0:12:52.596 father and live happily. 0:12:52.636 --> 0:13:14.836 Ever, but Mickey had other plans in mind. What do 0:13:14.916 --> 0:13:17.076 you think Mickey saw on you. 0:13:19.036 --> 0:13:26.836 Innocence? Possibly someone he could manipulate in a way. I 0:13:26.956 --> 0:13:30.916 was a runaway at the time, coming from an abusive family, 0:13:32.196 --> 0:13:36.196 and he kind of took me under his wing, you know, 0:13:36.516 --> 0:13:41.716 somewhat influenced me. He was a big influencer actually, and 0:13:42.036 --> 0:13:45.796 taught me how to protect myself and to fuck the world, 0:13:46.076 --> 0:13:50.276 you know. You know. His big thing to put on 0:13:50.316 --> 0:13:54.836 his board was FTW, which makes me laugh because now 0:13:54.876 --> 0:13:59.116 it means for the win, and in those days FGW 0:13:59.316 --> 0:14:05.156 meant fuck the world, you know, question authority. Those are 0:14:05.196 --> 0:14:08.116 the lessons he kept trying to teach me. You know, 0:14:08.676 --> 0:14:09.836 trust no one. 0:14:10.516 --> 0:14:14.396 Fuck the world. That was Mickey's credo, the rule he 0:14:14.476 --> 0:14:14.956 lived by. 0:14:15.916 --> 0:14:19.196 Hi thought it was perfect life, you know, until I 0:14:19.276 --> 0:14:26.876 realized he was a scoundrel at a road and was 0:14:26.956 --> 0:14:30.516 training me in too, being accountlice. 0:14:31.156 --> 0:14:33.916 By day, Mickey and Diane were living the good life 0:14:33.996 --> 0:14:37.276 in Alice's little house, taking their vitamins and keeping up 0:14:37.276 --> 0:14:40.276 with current events. She'd go to her shop girl job, 0:14:40.436 --> 0:14:42.836 and he'd spend the day in pursuit of his bliss, 0:14:43.156 --> 0:14:50.116 riding waves. It was clean, almost wholesome. Mickey thought the 0:14:50.156 --> 0:14:53.916 best things in life were free empty waves vitamin D. 0:14:54.876 --> 0:14:57.116 But he thought the finest things in life should be 0:14:57.196 --> 0:15:02.036 free too, So at night Mickey and Diane turned into 0:15:02.516 --> 0:15:05.396 Bonnie and Clyde and they hit the town. 0:15:06.636 --> 0:15:09.676 He had a connection at La Scala Restaurant would be 0:15:09.996 --> 0:15:17.476 like Spago today, and his friend would call him with 0:15:17.516 --> 0:15:20.396 the list of all the parties that they were catering 0:15:20.716 --> 0:15:24.316 that weekend in Beverly Hills. I mean parties that I 0:15:24.316 --> 0:15:27.916 would never imagine myself going to. I mean people dripping 0:15:27.996 --> 0:15:31.436 in diamonds, and you know, in those days, even in furs, 0:15:32.356 --> 0:15:35.356 and it was always you know, high end. 0:15:36.156 --> 0:15:39.076 Mickey kept a champagne flute and some Buddley in his car. 0:15:39.556 --> 0:15:42.876 He'd walk into a party backwards, holding his full glass 0:15:43.036 --> 0:15:46.116 as if he fully belonged. He'd also bring a plastic 0:15:46.196 --> 0:15:47.716 bag to fill with extra food. 0:15:49.236 --> 0:15:53.756 And we'd have a list of maybe five or six addresses, 0:15:53.996 --> 0:15:56.516 and then we'd find out from our family what kind 0:15:56.556 --> 0:15:59.956 of food did they say? Hamburgers and hotdogs, it was 0:15:59.956 --> 0:16:04.116 a pool party. If it was you know, caviare and 0:16:04.316 --> 0:16:09.036 salmon crow cats, we were going to wear the beaded dress. 0:16:10.196 --> 0:16:12.676 They'd pull up in one of Mickey's cool cars and 0:16:12.756 --> 0:16:15.476 waltz right in, no questions asked. 0:16:16.196 --> 0:16:18.756 And then we'd go through the shred door like we 0:16:18.876 --> 0:16:22.716 owned the place and schmooze people in the party that 0:16:22.796 --> 0:16:23.556 we didn't know. 0:16:24.716 --> 0:16:28.036 It was a game to them. The subterfuge was thrilling, 0:16:28.396 --> 0:16:32.836 like being in a James Bond movie. Mickey loved James Bond. 0:16:33.436 --> 0:16:36.196 Actually, at parties, it was amazing, where like people would 0:16:36.196 --> 0:16:39.356 always come up to us and start talking. Micky could 0:16:39.396 --> 0:16:43.156 talk to anybody about anything, and we'd get off on it. 0:16:43.356 --> 0:16:46.396 You know, We'd eyeball each other across the room, laughing. 0:16:48.076 --> 0:16:51.796 We were magnets. First I thought there were suspicious of us, 0:16:52.396 --> 0:16:54.996 but then in the end they were just being friendly. 0:16:55.836 --> 0:16:59.876 At every party. Diane worried that get caught, but Mickey 0:16:59.916 --> 0:17:03.596 always felt right at home, rubbing elbows with a listers. 0:17:04.796 --> 0:17:09.956 And we'd circulate. Then we'd talked to people all the time, 0:17:10.076 --> 0:17:14.356 thinking I hope they don't ask who we are. Vicky 0:17:14.396 --> 0:17:17.076 would go and get me a cocktail, you know, and 0:17:18.036 --> 0:17:23.836 we'd walk around the party like we belong. And then 0:17:23.876 --> 0:17:26.716 at a certain point, I'd go in the bedroom where 0:17:26.716 --> 0:17:30.036 everybody put their purses and their codes and you know, 0:17:31.036 --> 0:17:33.036 and lay on the bed and pretend I had a 0:17:33.076 --> 0:17:37.676 headache and slip my finger into some purse. Never take 0:17:37.716 --> 0:17:43.756 the money, only the American Express credit card. And then 0:17:43.796 --> 0:17:46.356 as soon as I had the card, I'd walk out 0:17:46.396 --> 0:17:48.316 the cars. I feel so much better, but I think 0:17:48.356 --> 0:17:51.676 I better go home, And I'd say goodbye to all 0:17:51.756 --> 0:17:55.196 of the people that I've been talking to, and we'd 0:17:55.276 --> 0:17:57.196 leave the party. 0:17:58.396 --> 0:18:02.116 Sometimes they'd go to multiple parties in one night, changing 0:18:02.156 --> 0:18:03.276 outfits along the way. 0:18:04.076 --> 0:18:07.676 We've hit a couple, if not three. Each one was 0:18:07.796 --> 0:18:13.756 different and that's what made it fun. We maybe, you know, 0:18:13.996 --> 0:18:17.156 be dressed a real fancy for one party, and then 0:18:17.156 --> 0:18:20.636 maybe we'd run home and change for another party because 0:18:20.636 --> 0:18:24.956 it was all in the neighborhood. And then on Sunday 0:18:25.036 --> 0:18:25.996 we'd go shopping. 0:18:30.836 --> 0:18:33.596 Here's how it worked back then. When a card was 0:18:33.676 --> 0:18:36.116 lost or stolen, the card number went on a physical 0:18:36.156 --> 0:18:38.636 list which went out to retailers. 0:18:38.756 --> 0:18:41.756 This was, you know, early sixties. There were no computers, 0:18:42.716 --> 0:18:47.116 and they would send out a list weekly of the 0:18:47.156 --> 0:18:48.476 credit cards that were hot. 0:18:49.556 --> 0:18:51.836 And because Diane worked at a shop, she had a 0:18:51.836 --> 0:18:54.556 copy of the hot list. She knew when they could 0:18:54.556 --> 0:18:57.276 freely spend on a stolen card and when they had 0:18:57.276 --> 0:18:58.116 to stop. 0:18:58.876 --> 0:19:02.076 And I'd check, and then I'd call Nicky and say, 0:19:02.116 --> 0:19:05.996 don't use this, don't use that, or it's not on 0:19:06.036 --> 0:19:08.316 the list yet, you know, go buy a TV. 0:19:10.236 --> 0:19:12.996 If they were careful, there was almost no way for 0:19:13.076 --> 0:19:16.236 them to get busted unless Diane got caught red handed 0:19:16.236 --> 0:19:20.156 at a party, which she didn't. Mickey convinced her that 0:19:20.196 --> 0:19:23.676 what they were doing wasn't all that bad in their minds. 0:19:23.796 --> 0:19:27.316 It was basically a victimless crime, and I. 0:19:27.316 --> 0:19:31.916 Never got busted because when we'd take the American Express 0:19:31.956 --> 0:19:34.356 card or whatever card it was, we'd only use it 0:19:34.396 --> 0:19:37.596 for a couple of days and then we cut it up, 0:19:37.756 --> 0:19:40.036 and we knew that the only one that we were 0:19:40.156 --> 0:19:44.316 fucking with is the establishment, and that particular person that 0:19:44.356 --> 0:19:48.556 we had stolen it from, whoever that may be, wasn't 0:19:48.556 --> 0:19:49.716 going to get charged. 0:19:50.796 --> 0:19:54.916 So he didn't want to make victims out of these 0:19:55.556 --> 0:19:59.076 fellow partygoers. He wanted to make a victim out of 0:19:59.116 --> 0:20:00.596 the American Express company. 0:20:00.356 --> 0:20:03.356 Or yes it was, you know, fuck the establishment, but 0:20:03.436 --> 0:20:09.356 don't hurt the people unless somebody crossed him. And if 0:20:09.396 --> 0:20:12.196 you crossed him, he'd put sugar in your gas, stank, 0:20:12.716 --> 0:20:16.236 blow your car up, you know, or do something silly. 0:20:18.756 --> 0:20:23.196 Why was he so anti establishment and fuck the world? 0:20:25.036 --> 0:20:28.556 I think he was just angry and that was his 0:20:28.796 --> 0:20:33.716 outlet because I really didn't pay much attention to it all. 0:20:34.076 --> 0:20:37.556 I just knew the establishment, we're idiots and we were cool, 0:20:38.036 --> 0:20:43.076 you know. Got to remember I was seventeen eighteen. Wasn't 0:20:43.116 --> 0:20:46.636 thinking of those things. I was thinking about what bikini 0:20:46.916 --> 0:20:48.356 was going to wear the next day. 0:20:49.916 --> 0:20:53.516 It was easy money, which Mickey collected with a sneer. 0:20:54.476 --> 0:20:57.436 He had nothing but disdain for his victims, though we'd 0:20:57.516 --> 0:21:01.556 liked their caviar just fine. Hollywood types were an easy 0:21:01.596 --> 0:21:05.076 mark for him. He had already figured that out on 0:21:05.156 --> 0:21:08.836 the beach in Malibu when the Hollywood producers first showed 0:21:08.916 --> 0:21:25.756 up to film the Gidget movie. Micky hated the whole 0:21:25.756 --> 0:21:28.956 Gidget phenomenon, but that did not stop him from working 0:21:28.996 --> 0:21:31.836 as a stunt double for Moondoggie in the original Gidget 0:21:31.876 --> 0:21:33.516 movie in nineteen fifty nine. 0:21:33.996 --> 0:21:34.596 Why don't you go. 0:21:34.556 --> 0:21:36.876 Back to your playmates? Oh I haven't even said you 0:21:36.956 --> 0:21:39.596 for saving my life. Okay, so now you have go 0:21:39.716 --> 0:21:42.436 on back to Mama and run, don't walk. 0:21:43.916 --> 0:21:46.916 He hated it, but he liked the money, you know. 0:21:47.156 --> 0:21:53.436 He hated that they were ruining the beaches, but he 0:21:53.636 --> 0:21:56.356 liked the excitement of being in the movies. 0:21:58.156 --> 0:22:01.196 For the next decade, Mickey worked in the Gidget sequels 0:22:01.476 --> 0:22:04.036 and any other teeny bopper beach movie he could get 0:22:04.076 --> 0:22:07.716 himself hired on. He was a stuntman in Gidget Goes 0:22:07.756 --> 0:22:15.636 Hawaiian in nineteen sixty one. Since for Gidget Jane Tachiki. 0:22:15.836 --> 0:22:18.756 Was opportunity for him, and he always wanted to be 0:22:18.796 --> 0:22:20.636 a movie star. I mean, that's why he was the 0:22:20.716 --> 0:22:21.676 King Malibu. 0:22:22.356 --> 0:22:25.316 He went to Hawaii and served twenty foot Waves with 0:22:25.396 --> 0:22:29.156 Greg Knowle for Ride the Wild Surf In nineteen sixty four. 0:22:32.916 --> 0:22:36.556 He was credited as a beach boy in Beach Blanket Bingo, 0:22:36.836 --> 0:22:47.316 the nineteen sixty five Classics starring Frankie Avalon and Annette Funacello. 0:22:52.516 --> 0:22:55.996 That same year, Mickey also appeared in How To Stuff 0:22:56.076 --> 0:23:02.836 a Wild Bikini Wild? It ain't nothing without the stepping. 0:23:03.156 --> 0:23:04.916 How do we stuffing? Easy? 0:23:04.996 --> 0:23:05.236 Man? 0:23:05.596 --> 0:23:06.076 You're just. 0:23:09.356 --> 0:23:12.076 And when Gidget became a TV show, he taught Sally 0:23:12.116 --> 0:23:13.156 Field to surf. 0:23:14.476 --> 0:23:17.516 You see before you meet Gidget for fifteen and a 0:23:17.556 --> 0:23:18.156 half years. 0:23:18.236 --> 0:23:21.556 Mickey may have had strong feelings about the exploitation of 0:23:21.596 --> 0:23:25.036 Malibu and surf culture, but he didn't mind doing a 0:23:25.036 --> 0:23:26.436 little exploiting of his own. 0:23:27.516 --> 0:23:30.316 He was making Boku bucks because he was doing a 0:23:30.316 --> 0:23:33.036 lot of stunt work, and that's what messed us up, 0:23:33.076 --> 0:23:36.956 because he started flirting with either the producer's daughter or 0:23:36.996 --> 0:23:40.836 somebody's daughter that had the power to give him more work. 0:23:43.396 --> 0:23:46.276 But even off the film sets on the beach in Malibu, 0:23:46.756 --> 0:23:50.396 Mickey always seemed to be in character. Here's Diane. 0:23:51.596 --> 0:23:56.316 He was a much genter, quieter or simple person at home, 0:23:56.396 --> 0:23:58.276 and we had a lot of fun and tried to 0:23:58.276 --> 0:24:02.236 have a healthy, wonderful life. And then when he hit Malibu, 0:24:02.476 --> 0:24:05.196 it was a different story. He was on. 0:24:08.156 --> 0:24:12.516 Was his persona a kind of performance art? 0:24:13.316 --> 0:24:15.796 Yeah, when you say it that way, I would think 0:24:15.796 --> 0:24:17.956 that every time he got on a board in Malibu 0:24:18.036 --> 0:24:20.676 it was performance art. 0:24:20.156 --> 0:24:22.196 And maybe also every time he showed up at the 0:24:22.196 --> 0:24:23.556 beach in a leather trench coat. 0:24:24.076 --> 0:24:29.436 Of course, he was always doing something for effect, you know, 0:24:29.596 --> 0:24:31.916 I mean for reaction. 0:24:32.676 --> 0:24:34.476 And he was playing Mickey Dora. 0:24:35.036 --> 0:24:40.316 Exactly, or Chicky Mafin or Big Close sondor you know, 0:24:40.676 --> 0:24:43.396 whatever persona or name he wanted to come up with 0:24:43.516 --> 0:24:48.676 at that time to fit his mood or his protest. 0:24:50.956 --> 0:24:53.756 In the era of the beach blanket bingo type of movies, 0:24:54.196 --> 0:24:58.156 Malibu was basically an open cast and call Mickey made 0:24:58.156 --> 0:24:59.916 sure he was highly visible. 0:25:01.276 --> 0:25:05.476 He got picked to do a surfing double. I guess 0:25:05.476 --> 0:25:08.316 they were producers went on the beach in Malibu and 0:25:09.396 --> 0:25:13.676 picked people to be extras and dancers and stuff like that. 0:25:13.756 --> 0:25:17.476 In these films. He was, you know, a stand in 0:25:18.316 --> 0:25:21.676 surfer for all the big guys in all those movies. 0:25:21.796 --> 0:25:26.116 It was Mickey that was doing the survey. And he 0:25:26.196 --> 0:25:28.156 wanted to be an actor. He would have loved to 0:25:28.196 --> 0:25:29.916 have been an actor, and he probably would have been 0:25:29.996 --> 0:25:32.556 a good one, except he'd always mess up. 0:25:33.436 --> 0:25:35.036 What do you mean by he'd always mess up? 0:25:35.636 --> 0:25:39.796 Oh, he'd pulled some chican again that would piss somebody off, 0:25:39.836 --> 0:25:43.036 and then they'd throw him off the set. There'd be 0:25:43.116 --> 0:25:47.116 a scene of a two spot of people talking and 0:25:47.236 --> 0:25:50.236 Nicky p in the background dancing like a fool, and 0:25:50.836 --> 0:25:56.276 you know, and all the energy went to him. He 0:25:56.316 --> 0:26:00.756 would find a way to steal the spotlight. Should we say? 0:26:01.916 --> 0:26:04.836 He's you know, he's like a child that needed attention 0:26:05.156 --> 0:26:08.196 all the time. And I didn't mind it, you know, 0:26:08.316 --> 0:26:11.236 I was madly in love. He was my mentor, you know, 0:26:12.036 --> 0:26:16.036 my savior. You know. He took care of me, you know, 0:26:16.076 --> 0:26:19.596 and I shaved his back so he could be faster 0:26:19.756 --> 0:26:20.356 than the water. 0:26:24.756 --> 0:26:28.396 Things were not perfect between Diane and Mickey. The power 0:26:28.436 --> 0:26:34.636 differential was enormous. Did he act jealous over you? 0:26:35.236 --> 0:26:41.636