1 00:00:15,066 --> 00:00:15,506 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:19,176 --> 00:00:22,136 Speaker 2: Hey Lost Hills listeners, it's Dana. I wanted to let 3 00:00:22,156 --> 00:00:24,596 Speaker 2: you know that you can hear the entire new season 4 00:00:24,636 --> 00:00:28,446 Speaker 2: of Lost Hills ad-free along with other great binge listens 5 00:00:28,606 --> 00:00:32,486 Speaker 2: by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Find Pushkin Plus on 6 00:00:32,506 --> 00:00:35,506 Speaker 2: the Lost Hills show page in Apple Podcasts or at 7 00:00:35,626 --> 00:00:38,456 Speaker 2: pushkin.fm slash plus. 8 00:00:44,596 --> 00:00:47,276 Speaker 1: Hi, Dana. Aloha from Maui. 9 00:00:47,996 --> 00:00:48,556 Speaker 3: Hi, Diane. 10 00:00:50,486 --> 00:00:54,526 Speaker 2: This is Diane Oosterveen. She's lived in Hawaii for decades 11 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:57,886 Speaker 2: and for years had a business selling vintage Hawaiian shirts. 12 00:00:58,706 --> 00:01:04,046 Speaker 2: Among her customers, Jack Nicholson and Sharon Stone. But once 13 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:07,856 Speaker 2: upon a time, Diane was one of Mickey Dora's girlfriends. 14 00:01:09,796 --> 00:01:14,776 Speaker 1: I grew up in Los Angeles in the Valley. Encino 15 00:01:14,856 --> 00:01:16,216 Speaker 1: and West Hollywood. 16 00:01:17,316 --> 00:01:20,316 Speaker 2: Diane was a runaway. She'd left an abusive home and 17 00:01:20,406 --> 00:01:22,066 Speaker 2: found herself in foster care. 18 00:01:23,686 --> 00:01:28,846 Speaker 1: I was raised strict Catholic, so I had all that 19 00:01:28,906 --> 00:01:33,636 Speaker 1: parochial schooling and then went wild when I hit high school. 20 00:01:34,656 --> 00:01:36,096 Speaker 2: Diane met Mickey in 1962. She was 17, a total babe. 21 00:01:40,196 --> 00:01:43,826 Speaker 2: She describes herself then as a cross between Sandra Dee 22 00:01:44,046 --> 00:01:45,066 Speaker 2: and Pamela Anderson. 23 00:01:45,086 --> 00:01:52,146 Speaker 1: I was a runner-up in the Miss Bikini Contest, Palm Springs. Blonde, blue-eyed, 24 00:01:52,366 --> 00:01:58,466 Speaker 1: big boobs, you know. The typical blonde valley girl. And, 25 00:01:58,646 --> 00:02:01,366 Speaker 1: you know, naive. Somewhat. 26 00:02:02,406 --> 00:02:04,586 Speaker 2: Diane was at the beach for one reason, and one 27 00:02:04,646 --> 00:02:09,086 Speaker 2: reason alone. The reason Mickey Dora hated it. though he 28 00:02:09,116 --> 00:02:11,826 Speaker 2: had to admit it threw some opportunities his way. 29 00:02:12,986 --> 00:02:16,006 Speaker 3: Had you seen the Gidget movie at that point? 30 00:02:16,026 --> 00:02:20,196 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I, you know, I was impressed with it. 31 00:02:20,246 --> 00:02:23,786 Speaker 1: I was intrigued with it. And that's why we started 32 00:02:23,826 --> 00:02:26,306 Speaker 1: going to Malibu, because we heard that's where the cute 33 00:02:26,386 --> 00:02:27,166 Speaker 1: boys were. 34 00:02:28,456 --> 00:02:32,256 Speaker 2: Diane didn't surf or swim. She camped out on the sand, 35 00:02:32,476 --> 00:02:35,816 Speaker 2: watching the guys in the water. There was one surfer 36 00:02:35,876 --> 00:02:38,236 Speaker 2: who stood out. He was a showman. 37 00:02:39,216 --> 00:02:43,616 Speaker 1: We were laying on the beach, and everybody was, attention 38 00:02:43,676 --> 00:02:46,546 Speaker 1: was to the water. And there seemed to be somebody 39 00:02:46,646 --> 00:02:49,586 Speaker 1: performing out there, and of course that was Minky Dora. 40 00:02:49,906 --> 00:02:53,066 Speaker 1: He was pushing all the boys off their boards, jumping 41 00:02:53,246 --> 00:02:57,626 Speaker 1: on their board, and riding it in. And everybody was 42 00:02:57,726 --> 00:03:00,846 Speaker 1: oohing and aahing, and all of a sudden I saw 43 00:03:00,886 --> 00:03:07,126 Speaker 1: this amazing looking man walking out of the water. He 44 00:03:07,146 --> 00:03:10,936 Speaker 1: was gorgeous. What can I say? I mean, tall, dark, 45 00:03:10,996 --> 00:03:14,216 Speaker 1: and handsome. Every bit of the word. He was agile. 46 00:03:14,256 --> 00:03:17,576 Speaker 1: He was like a dancer on a surfboard. And I 47 00:03:17,616 --> 00:03:19,796 Speaker 1: fell in love the minute he walked out of the water. 48 00:03:20,956 --> 00:03:25,066 Speaker 1: And he walked out, threw his board next to my towel, 49 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:27,546 Speaker 1: laid down, looked at me in the eye while I 50 00:03:27,586 --> 00:03:30,886 Speaker 1: could barely talk. He said to me, do you want 51 00:03:30,906 --> 00:03:35,246 Speaker 1: to go to a party? I said, yes, but you'll 52 00:03:35,286 --> 00:03:37,366 Speaker 1: have to pick me up. He says, where do you live? 53 00:03:38,186 --> 00:03:40,886 Speaker 1: I said, in the valley. He says, oh, I don't 54 00:03:40,906 --> 00:03:41,706 Speaker 1: go to the valley. 55 00:03:44,246 --> 00:03:47,786 Speaker 2: Still, Mickey could work with this situation. He must have 56 00:03:47,806 --> 00:03:50,146 Speaker 2: sensed right away that Diane was a lot like him. 57 00:03:51,186 --> 00:03:56,496 Speaker 2: A beautiful, untethered orphan. Someone who adored him at first sight. 58 00:03:57,716 --> 00:04:04,476 Speaker 2: Someone game. Someone he could manipulate. Someone who would be 59 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:13,056 Speaker 2: his partner in crime. I'm Dana Goodyear, and this is 60 00:04:13,136 --> 00:04:49,696 Speaker 2: Lost Hills. Episode 6, Fuck the World. At Malibu, Mickey 61 00:04:49,716 --> 00:04:53,336 Speaker 2: was the king, and all eyes were on him. Every 62 00:04:53,376 --> 00:04:56,586 Speaker 2: move he made. But his life away from the beach? 63 00:04:57,326 --> 00:05:00,426 Speaker 2: That was a mystery to everyone. And that's how he 64 00:05:00,466 --> 00:05:00,876 Speaker 2: liked it. 65 00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:04,106 Speaker 1: He didn't want anything to do with anybody. 66 00:05:05,526 --> 00:05:10,226 Speaker 2: With the explosion in surfing's popularity, the Valley Cowboys... the Vals, 67 00:05:10,586 --> 00:05:15,286 Speaker 2: invaded Malibu. He thought they were kooks. They ruined his wave, 68 00:05:15,586 --> 00:05:18,386 Speaker 2: contaminated his scene. Here's Diane. 69 00:05:19,506 --> 00:05:21,856 Speaker 1: And that's what used to piss him off at Malibu 70 00:05:21,916 --> 00:05:26,756 Speaker 1: because all these valley kids and kids with no talent 71 00:05:26,836 --> 00:05:31,516 Speaker 1: would interfere in what he was doing. And he hated 72 00:05:31,616 --> 00:05:35,216 Speaker 1: it because he used to have his peace at Malibu, 73 00:05:35,436 --> 00:05:38,596 Speaker 1: you know, and that was taken away. And it made 74 00:05:38,636 --> 00:05:39,156 Speaker 1: him angry. 75 00:05:40,346 --> 00:05:42,726 Speaker 2: Mickey didn't pick Diane up for that party he invited 76 00:05:42,766 --> 00:05:45,726 Speaker 2: her to when she first saw him on the beach. No, 77 00:05:46,086 --> 00:05:49,586 Speaker 2: he made her wait two weeks, refusing her and making 78 00:05:49,646 --> 00:05:53,096 Speaker 2: her crazy. Finally, she invited him to dinner at her 79 00:05:53,156 --> 00:05:55,876 Speaker 2: house in the valley, and he agreed. 80 00:05:56,836 --> 00:06:00,496 Speaker 1: We had dinner, which was hysterical because I didn't know 81 00:06:00,536 --> 00:06:03,076 Speaker 1: how to cook. And I took a piece of hamburger meat, 82 00:06:03,136 --> 00:06:04,816 Speaker 1: rolled it up in a ball and put it in 83 00:06:04,856 --> 00:06:08,356 Speaker 1: a pot and rolled it around. He was hysterical with 84 00:06:08,416 --> 00:06:11,016 Speaker 1: laughter and took me out to dinner, I think, at, 85 00:06:11,456 --> 00:06:16,556 Speaker 1: I don't know, something, some small place. And we hung 86 00:06:16,616 --> 00:06:20,206 Speaker 1: around and necked and didn't make love. 87 00:06:21,586 --> 00:06:24,526 Speaker 2: Mickey wanted to see Diane again. He was living with 88 00:06:24,566 --> 00:06:28,386 Speaker 2: his grandmother, Madame De Sanctis. So that wasn't a good 89 00:06:28,406 --> 00:06:31,006 Speaker 2: place for them to hang out. And he wasn't going 90 00:06:31,026 --> 00:06:34,026 Speaker 2: to keep going to the Valley. He suggested a parking 91 00:06:34,066 --> 00:06:36,676 Speaker 2: lot of a 24-hour burger spot in Hollywood. 92 00:06:37,776 --> 00:06:41,576 Speaker 1: And we used to meet at Tiny Naylor's parking lot. 93 00:06:42,456 --> 00:06:45,546 Speaker 1: And we used to hang out in his car and 94 00:06:45,666 --> 00:06:49,316 Speaker 1: talk and neck and make plans, you know. 95 00:06:50,946 --> 00:06:55,926 Speaker 2: Mickey was 28. Diane was still a teenager and pretty inexperienced. 96 00:06:57,206 --> 00:07:01,066 Speaker 1: He asked me why I wasn't in school. And I said, well, 97 00:07:01,346 --> 00:07:04,626 Speaker 1: I graduated, but they kicked me out and I couldn't 98 00:07:04,646 --> 00:07:08,006 Speaker 1: go to the prom or any of the... the ceremonies. 99 00:07:08,646 --> 00:07:12,186 Speaker 1: And he said, why? And I said, well, I was bad. 100 00:07:12,206 --> 00:07:16,596 Speaker 1: I had a friend steal a time clock from the 101 00:07:16,676 --> 00:07:19,736 Speaker 1: school and we hooked it up in my locker. And 102 00:07:19,776 --> 00:07:21,796 Speaker 1: then the kids would pay me a couple of bucks 103 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:25,466 Speaker 1: to come in and stamp their time card to go 104 00:07:25,496 --> 00:07:28,386 Speaker 1: to class late or to cut class. And then I 105 00:07:28,426 --> 00:07:31,586 Speaker 1: got caught because it kept making a ticking sound every 106 00:07:31,646 --> 00:07:33,326 Speaker 1: time anybody would walk by. 107 00:07:34,406 --> 00:07:36,666 Speaker 3: What was Mickey's reaction when you told him that story? 108 00:07:37,716 --> 00:07:42,656 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? He loved it. You know, he saw 109 00:07:42,676 --> 00:07:43,996 Speaker 1: a great future for us. 110 00:07:46,496 --> 00:07:50,276 Speaker 2: Before long, Mickey made a proposal that they take their 111 00:07:50,296 --> 00:07:51,896 Speaker 2: relationship to the next level. 112 00:07:53,036 --> 00:07:55,926 Speaker 1: One day he said, you've got to move out of 113 00:07:55,936 --> 00:08:01,006 Speaker 1: the valley. He said that everybody in the valley were idiots. 114 00:08:02,246 --> 00:08:06,166 Speaker 1: And he thought I wasn't. So I said, okay. He says, 115 00:08:06,206 --> 00:08:08,486 Speaker 1: find a place, but it can't be in the valley. 116 00:08:08,566 --> 00:08:13,156 Speaker 1: I said, okay. So I found a place. And we 117 00:08:13,196 --> 00:08:14,156 Speaker 1: moved in together. 118 00:08:15,536 --> 00:08:17,776 Speaker 2: With Mickey, everything was mysterious. 119 00:08:18,916 --> 00:08:22,636 Speaker 1: He was famous for changing names, you know. We'd always have, 120 00:08:22,896 --> 00:08:25,496 Speaker 1: you know, pseudo names that we'd make up for each other. 121 00:08:26,156 --> 00:08:27,636 Speaker 3: What were some of those names? 122 00:08:28,736 --> 00:08:35,696 Speaker 1: He was Chickie Maeve and Miklos Sandor. He was Mickey Mouse. 123 00:08:35,786 --> 00:08:37,806 Speaker 1: He was many names. 124 00:08:38,906 --> 00:08:40,806 Speaker 2: She decided to change her name, too. 125 00:08:42,146 --> 00:08:46,186 Speaker 1: My name was Alice Diane at birth. So I would 126 00:08:46,326 --> 00:08:49,706 Speaker 1: always use the name Diane, but when I got with Mickey, 127 00:08:49,846 --> 00:08:53,866 Speaker 1: I was using Alice. I wanted to be mysterious, too, 128 00:08:53,936 --> 00:08:54,366 Speaker 1: you see. 129 00:08:55,756 --> 00:08:58,236 Speaker 2: She found a place in Brentwood. And they named it 130 00:08:58,316 --> 00:09:00,696 Speaker 2: after her, Alice's Little House. 131 00:09:00,716 --> 00:09:04,596 Speaker 1: It was adorable. It was a little cottage. And I 132 00:09:04,636 --> 00:09:08,056 Speaker 1: kept it very neat. Mickey didn't have a lot of stuff. 133 00:09:08,836 --> 00:09:11,296 Speaker 1: His great joy was the fact you could go out 134 00:09:11,336 --> 00:09:13,216 Speaker 1: the back door and there was a garage where he 135 00:09:13,256 --> 00:09:17,056 Speaker 1: could store all the boards and, you know, the vintage cars. 136 00:09:18,276 --> 00:09:21,116 Speaker 2: Mickey collected antique cars. A 1948 Jaguar, a 1958 Porsche Spyder, 137 00:09:21,186 --> 00:09:29,446 Speaker 2: a 1930 Rolls-Royce Phantom II. He had expensive taste, and 138 00:09:29,666 --> 00:09:35,536 Speaker 2: somewhere offstage, a supposedly aristocratic family. Diane was impressed. He 139 00:09:35,576 --> 00:09:38,476 Speaker 2: was a lot more sophisticated than she was, and it 140 00:09:38,516 --> 00:09:41,036 Speaker 2: kept her from thinking too hard about where the money 141 00:09:41,076 --> 00:09:45,956 Speaker 2: was coming from. For Diane, living with Mickey meant living 142 00:09:45,996 --> 00:09:48,876 Speaker 2: by his routines, and they were very specific. 143 00:09:50,296 --> 00:09:54,656 Speaker 1: He'd wake up in the morning very early. He'd take 144 00:09:54,676 --> 00:10:00,086 Speaker 1: vitamins regularly. jump in the car with me. He'd pick 145 00:10:00,106 --> 00:10:03,366 Speaker 1: me up a cup of coffee somewhere. We'd go down 146 00:10:03,506 --> 00:10:07,386 Speaker 1: to either Malibu or Trussell, some place, you know, two 147 00:10:07,426 --> 00:10:10,116 Speaker 1: or three beaches. He'd get out of the car and 148 00:10:10,176 --> 00:10:12,436 Speaker 1: stare at the ocean. And I'd sit in the car 149 00:10:12,496 --> 00:10:16,176 Speaker 1: and drink my coffee, thinking, what the fuck is he doing? 150 00:10:16,536 --> 00:10:19,466 Speaker 1: And why does he do this every morning? Is he nuts? 151 00:10:20,746 --> 00:10:23,406 Speaker 1: And then I'd go to work, because I was working 152 00:10:23,426 --> 00:10:26,906 Speaker 1: in a boutique at the time. And he would go 153 00:10:26,946 --> 00:10:30,376 Speaker 1: in the garage, pick his board, and surf all day. 154 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:34,916 Speaker 1: I'd come home from work. He'd be there. We'd lay 155 00:10:34,976 --> 00:10:39,656 Speaker 1: in bed, listen to stock reports or the news or something, 156 00:10:41,416 --> 00:10:45,136 Speaker 1: make dinner, which was usually steak, potato, and wine. And 157 00:10:45,936 --> 00:10:48,296 Speaker 1: I wasn't drinking at that time, but he always had 158 00:10:48,336 --> 00:10:54,796 Speaker 1: good wine. And that was it. It was real simple, 159 00:10:54,826 --> 00:10:59,356 Speaker 1: you know, and... Probably that's one of the reasons why 160 00:10:59,376 --> 00:11:01,576 Speaker 1: he didn't want me to tell anybody how we lived. 161 00:11:02,096 --> 00:11:05,016 Speaker 1: Because it wasn't, you know, as exciting as the life 162 00:11:05,116 --> 00:11:06,996 Speaker 1: that was outside of the house. 163 00:11:09,596 --> 00:11:12,016 Speaker 2: Diane became the keeper of Mickey's secrets. 164 00:11:13,076 --> 00:11:16,576 Speaker 1: And of course, I was always warned never, ever to 165 00:11:16,616 --> 00:11:21,356 Speaker 1: let anybody know where he lived. So our whole relationship 166 00:11:21,416 --> 00:11:25,636 Speaker 1: was super, super secret. And I loved it. because I'd 167 00:11:25,676 --> 00:11:29,556 Speaker 1: go lay on the beach with him and he'd be 168 00:11:29,576 --> 00:11:32,486 Speaker 1: in the water. And of course, all his buddies, you know, 169 00:11:32,606 --> 00:11:34,846 Speaker 1: would all come up to me and start drilling me 170 00:11:34,906 --> 00:11:37,106 Speaker 1: about Mickey. You know, they want to know where does 171 00:11:37,126 --> 00:11:39,286 Speaker 1: he live? What does he do? What does he eat? 172 00:11:40,046 --> 00:11:44,386 Speaker 1: And of course, I adored the attention and wouldn't tell 173 00:11:44,406 --> 00:11:47,826 Speaker 1: them a thing. And of course, Mickey loved the fact 174 00:11:47,866 --> 00:11:49,386 Speaker 1: that I could keep my mouth shut. 175 00:11:50,866 --> 00:11:52,846 Speaker 3: What was behind all that secrecy? 176 00:11:53,916 --> 00:11:57,056 Speaker 1: Probably afraid that somebody was going to come and steal 177 00:11:57,476 --> 00:12:02,906 Speaker 1: stuff that he probably already stole. In other words, a 178 00:12:03,026 --> 00:12:06,866 Speaker 1: thief is always suspicious that someone's going to come and 179 00:12:06,946 --> 00:12:07,886 Speaker 1: steal from them. 180 00:12:10,646 --> 00:12:14,576 Speaker 2: Playing house at Alice's little house got Diane dreaming of 181 00:12:14,616 --> 00:12:18,876 Speaker 2: a life with Mickey. To a 17-year-old runaway, the 28-year-old 182 00:12:18,956 --> 00:12:23,246 Speaker 2: seemed so worldly. Maybe he could offer her the stability 183 00:12:23,386 --> 00:12:24,846 Speaker 2: that had eluded her so far. 184 00:12:26,106 --> 00:12:29,466 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted more than living in a Mormon 185 00:12:29,546 --> 00:12:35,586 Speaker 1: foster home. I knew I wanted to be self-sufficient. And 186 00:12:35,726 --> 00:12:39,526 Speaker 1: then I met Mickey and fell madly, madly in love. 187 00:12:40,976 --> 00:12:43,876 Speaker 1: And thought for sure, thought for sure I could convince 188 00:12:43,936 --> 00:12:48,546 Speaker 1: him to give up surfing. and marry me and have 189 00:12:48,606 --> 00:12:53,866 Speaker 1: children and work for his father and live happily ever after. 190 00:12:56,386 --> 00:12:59,166 Speaker 2: But Mickey had other plans in mind. 191 00:12:59,196 --> 00:13:11,716 Speaker 1: The End. 192 00:13:14,536 --> 00:13:18,876 Speaker 2: What do you think Mickey saw in you? 193 00:13:19,036 --> 00:13:26,806 Speaker 1: Innocence, possibly someone he could manipulate in a way. I 194 00:13:26,846 --> 00:13:30,946 Speaker 1: was a runaway at the time, coming from an abusive family. 195 00:13:32,346 --> 00:13:36,316 Speaker 1: And he kind of took me under his wing, you know, 196 00:13:36,506 --> 00:13:41,826 Speaker 1: somewhat influenced me. He was a big influencer, actually. and 197 00:13:42,026 --> 00:13:45,846 Speaker 1: taught me how to protect myself and to fuck the world, 198 00:13:46,026 --> 00:13:50,206 Speaker 1: you know. You know, his big thing to put on 199 00:13:50,266 --> 00:13:54,856 Speaker 1: his board was FTW, which makes me laugh because now 200 00:13:54,916 --> 00:13:58,316 Speaker 1: it means for the win. And in those days, FTW 201 00:13:59,156 --> 00:14:05,156 Speaker 1: meant fuck the world, you know. Question authority. Those were 202 00:14:05,176 --> 00:14:08,246 Speaker 1: the lessons he kept trying to teach me, you know. 203 00:14:08,686 --> 00:14:09,606 Speaker 1: Trust no one. 204 00:14:10,566 --> 00:14:14,426 Speaker 2: Fuck the world. That was Mickey's credo, the rule he 205 00:14:14,466 --> 00:14:14,906 Speaker 2: lived by. 206 00:14:14,926 --> 00:14:19,186 Speaker 1: I thought it was perfect life, you know, until I 207 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:26,806 Speaker 1: realized he was a scoundrel at a rogue. And was 208 00:14:26,906 --> 00:14:28,886 Speaker 1: training me to be an accomplice. 209 00:14:31,166 --> 00:14:33,836 Speaker 2: By day, Mickey and Diane were living the good life 210 00:14:33,996 --> 00:14:37,196 Speaker 2: in Alice's little house, taking their vitamins and keeping up 211 00:14:37,236 --> 00:14:40,286 Speaker 2: with current events. She'd go to her shop girl job, 212 00:14:40,446 --> 00:14:42,746 Speaker 2: and he'd spend the day in pursuit of his bliss, 213 00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:50,076 Speaker 2: riding waves. It was clean, almost wholesome. Mickey thought the 214 00:14:50,116 --> 00:14:54,036 Speaker 2: best things in life were free. Empty waves, vitamin D. 215 00:14:54,876 --> 00:14:57,806 Speaker 2: But he thought the finest things in life should be free, too. 216 00:14:58,986 --> 00:15:03,466 Speaker 2: So at night, Mickey and Diane turned into Bonnie and Clyde, 217 00:15:04,246 --> 00:15:05,386 Speaker 2: and they hit the town. 218 00:15:06,636 --> 00:15:09,396 Speaker 1: He had a connection at La Scala Restaurant, which would 219 00:15:09,516 --> 00:15:17,016 Speaker 1: be like Spago today. And his friend would call him 220 00:15:17,276 --> 00:15:19,786 Speaker 1: with the list of all the parties that they were 221 00:15:19,826 --> 00:15:24,246 Speaker 1: catering that weekend in Beverly Hills. I mean, parties that 222 00:15:24,286 --> 00:15:27,446 Speaker 1: I would never imagine myself going to. I mean, people 223 00:15:27,506 --> 00:15:31,546 Speaker 1: dripping in diamonds and, you know, in those days, even furs. 224 00:15:32,576 --> 00:15:35,096 Speaker 1: And it was always, you know, high end. 225 00:15:36,166 --> 00:15:39,036 Speaker 2: Mickey kept a champagne flute and some bubbly in his car. 226 00:15:39,596 --> 00:15:42,836 Speaker 2: He'd walk into a party backwards, holding his full glass 227 00:15:43,056 --> 00:15:46,076 Speaker 2: as if he fully belonged. He'd also bring a plastic 228 00:15:46,116 --> 00:15:47,716 Speaker 2: bag to fill with extra food. 229 00:15:49,396 --> 00:15:53,746 Speaker 1: And we'd have a list of maybe five or six addresses. 230 00:15:54,046 --> 00:15:56,486 Speaker 1: And then we'd find out from our family, what kind 231 00:15:56,506 --> 00:15:59,806 Speaker 1: of food did they serve? Hamburgers and hot dogs. It 232 00:15:59,846 --> 00:16:03,656 Speaker 1: was a pool party if it was, you know. caviar 233 00:16:03,856 --> 00:16:08,156 Speaker 1: and salmon crow cats, we were going to wear the 234 00:16:08,236 --> 00:16:09,176 Speaker 1: beaded dress. 235 00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:12,676 Speaker 2: They'd pull up in one of Mickey's cool cars and 236 00:16:12,736 --> 00:16:15,076 Speaker 2: waltz right in, no questions asked. 237 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:18,516 Speaker 1: And then we'd go through the front door like we 238 00:16:18,876 --> 00:16:22,726 Speaker 1: owned the place and schmooze people in the party that 239 00:16:22,766 --> 00:16:23,606 Speaker 1: we didn't know. 240 00:16:23,626 --> 00:16:28,006 Speaker 2: It was a game to them. The subterfuge was thrilling, 241 00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:32,546 Speaker 2: like being in a James Bond movie. Mickey loved James Bond. 242 00:16:33,466 --> 00:16:35,966 Speaker 1: Actually, at parties, it was amazing. We were like, people 243 00:16:36,006 --> 00:16:39,106 Speaker 1: would always come up to us and start talking. Mickey 244 00:16:39,146 --> 00:16:42,746 Speaker 1: could talk to anybody about anything, and we'd get off 245 00:16:42,926 --> 00:16:45,506 Speaker 1: on it, you know. We'd eyeball each other across the 246 00:16:45,566 --> 00:16:50,506 Speaker 1: room laughing. We were magnets. First, I thought they were 247 00:16:50,546 --> 00:16:53,576 Speaker 1: suspicious of us, but then in the end, they were 248 00:16:53,616 --> 00:16:54,516 Speaker 1: just being friendly. 249 00:16:55,866 --> 00:16:59,876 Speaker 2: At every party, Diane worried they'd get caught. But Mickey 250 00:16:59,916 --> 00:17:03,076 Speaker 2: always felt right at home, rubbing elbows with A-listers. 251 00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:10,406 Speaker 1: And we'd circulate, and we'd talk to people all the time, thinking, 252 00:17:10,786 --> 00:17:14,586 Speaker 1: I hope they don't ask who we are. Mickey would 253 00:17:14,626 --> 00:17:18,226 Speaker 1: go and get me a cocktail, you know, and we'd 254 00:17:18,266 --> 00:17:23,926 Speaker 1: walk around the party like we belonged. And then at 255 00:17:24,006 --> 00:17:27,106 Speaker 1: a certain point, I'd go in a bedroom where everybody 256 00:17:27,146 --> 00:17:31,186 Speaker 1: put their purses and their coats and, you know, and 257 00:17:31,226 --> 00:17:33,586 Speaker 1: lay on the bed and pretend I had a headache 258 00:17:34,626 --> 00:17:38,166 Speaker 1: and slip my finger into some purse. Never take the money. 259 00:17:39,206 --> 00:17:44,156 Speaker 1: Only the American Express credit card. And then as soon 260 00:17:44,216 --> 00:17:47,156 Speaker 1: as I had the card, I'd walk out. I feel 261 00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:49,256 Speaker 1: so much better, but I think I better go home. 262 00:17:50,386 --> 00:17:52,846 Speaker 1: And I'd say goodbye to all the people that I'd 263 00:17:52,906 --> 00:17:56,026 Speaker 1: been talking to. And we'd leave the party. 264 00:17:58,396 --> 00:18:02,096 Speaker 2: Sometimes they'd go to multiple parties in one night, changing 265 00:18:02,196 --> 00:18:03,276 Speaker 2: outfits along the way. 266 00:18:04,096 --> 00:18:08,256 Speaker 1: We did a couple, if not three. Each one was different. 267 00:18:08,986 --> 00:18:13,836 Speaker 1: And that's what made it fun. We'd maybe, you know, 268 00:18:13,966 --> 00:18:17,426 Speaker 1: be dressed real fancy for one party, and then maybe 269 00:18:17,486 --> 00:18:20,706 Speaker 1: we'd run home and change for another party because it 270 00:18:20,746 --> 00:18:25,226 Speaker 1: was all in the neighborhood. And then on Sunday, we'd 271 00:18:25,266 --> 00:18:26,086 Speaker 1: go shopping. 272 00:18:30,876 --> 00:18:33,556 Speaker 2: Here's how it worked. Back then, when a card was 273 00:18:33,656 --> 00:18:36,396 Speaker 2: lost or stolen, the card number went on a physical list, 274 00:18:36,576 --> 00:18:37,756 Speaker 2: which went out to retailers. 275 00:18:38,716 --> 00:18:41,716 Speaker 1: This was, you know, early 60s. There were no computers. 276 00:18:42,876 --> 00:18:47,096 Speaker 1: And they would send out a list weekly of the 277 00:18:47,156 --> 00:18:48,456 Speaker 1: credit cards that were hot. 278 00:18:49,576 --> 00:18:51,756 Speaker 2: And because Diane worked at a shop, she had a 279 00:18:51,816 --> 00:18:54,476 Speaker 2: copy of the hot list. She knew when they could 280 00:18:54,536 --> 00:18:57,216 Speaker 2: freely spend on a stolen card and when they had 281 00:18:57,256 --> 00:18:57,656 Speaker 2: to stop. 282 00:18:58,956 --> 00:19:02,036 Speaker 1: And I'd check it. And then I'd call Mickey and say, 283 00:19:02,096 --> 00:19:05,976 Speaker 1: don't use this, don't use that. Or it's not on 284 00:19:05,996 --> 00:19:08,116 Speaker 1: the list yet, you know, go buy a TV. 285 00:19:10,266 --> 00:19:13,006 Speaker 2: If they were careful, there was almost no way for 286 00:19:13,046 --> 00:19:16,326 Speaker 2: them to get busted unless Diane got caught red-handed at 287 00:19:16,346 --> 00:19:20,316 Speaker 2: a party, which she didn't. Mickey convinced her that what 288 00:19:20,356 --> 00:19:23,576 Speaker 2: they were doing wasn't all that bad. In their minds, 289 00:19:23,816 --> 00:19:25,696 Speaker 2: it was basically a victimless crime. 290 00:19:25,716 --> 00:19:31,386 Speaker 1: I never got busted because when we'd take the American 291 00:19:31,446 --> 00:19:34,246 Speaker 1: Express card or whatever card it was, we'd only use 292 00:19:34,306 --> 00:19:37,116 Speaker 1: it for a couple of days. And then we cut 293 00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,696 Speaker 1: it up. And we knew that the only one that 294 00:19:39,756 --> 00:19:43,156 Speaker 1: we were fucking with is the establishment and that particular 295 00:19:43,216 --> 00:19:47,076 Speaker 1: person that we had stolen it from, whoever that may be, 296 00:19:48,186 --> 00:19:49,726 Speaker 1: wasn't going to get charged. 297 00:19:50,786 --> 00:19:54,966 Speaker 2: So he didn't want to make victims out of these 298 00:19:55,226 --> 00:19:58,736 Speaker 2: part fellow party goers he wanted to make a victim 299 00:19:58,796 --> 00:20:00,676 Speaker 2: out of the american express company. 300 00:20:00,396 --> 00:20:03,636 Speaker 1: Yes it was you know fuck the establishment but don't 301 00:20:03,676 --> 00:20:09,456 Speaker 1: hurt the people unless somebody crossed him and if you 302 00:20:09,496 --> 00:20:12,956 Speaker 1: crossed him he put sugar in your gas tank blow 303 00:20:12,996 --> 00:20:16,476 Speaker 1: your car up you know or do something silly. 304 00:20:18,766 --> 00:20:23,146 Speaker 2: Why was he so anti-establishment and fuck the world? 305 00:20:25,026 --> 00:20:29,306 Speaker 1: I think he was just angry. And that was his outlet. 306 00:20:31,136 --> 00:20:33,676 Speaker 1: Because I really didn't pay much attention to it all. 307 00:20:34,116 --> 00:20:37,636 Speaker 1: I just knew the establishment were idiots and we were cool, 308 00:20:37,996 --> 00:20:43,036 Speaker 1: you know. Got to remember I was 17, 18. Wasn't 309 00:20:43,076 --> 00:20:46,676 Speaker 1: thinking of those things. I was thinking about what bikini 310 00:20:46,716 --> 00:20:48,296 Speaker 1: I was going to wear the next day. 311 00:20:49,946 --> 00:20:53,526 Speaker 2: It was easy money, which Mickey collected with a sneer. 312 00:20:54,486 --> 00:20:57,366 Speaker 2: He had nothing but disdain for his victims, though he 313 00:20:57,406 --> 00:21:01,526 Speaker 2: liked their caviar just fine. Hollywood types were an easy 314 00:21:01,566 --> 00:21:05,106 Speaker 2: mark for him. He had already figured that out on 315 00:21:05,146 --> 00:21:08,826 Speaker 2: the beach in Malibu when the Hollywood producers first showed 316 00:21:08,906 --> 00:21:25,716 Speaker 2: up to film the Gidget movie. Mickey hated the whole 317 00:21:25,756 --> 00:21:28,956 Speaker 2: Gidget phenomenon. But that did not stop him from working 318 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:31,756 Speaker 2: as a stunt double for Moondoggy in the original Gidget 319 00:21:31,776 --> 00:21:35,606 Speaker 2: movie in 1959. Why don't you go back to your playmates? Oh, 320 00:21:35,626 --> 00:21:38,286 Speaker 2: but I haven't even thanked you for saving my life. Okay, 321 00:21:38,306 --> 00:21:40,506 Speaker 2: so now you have. Go on back to Mama. 322 00:21:41,346 --> 00:21:45,576 Speaker 1: And run, don't walk. He hated it, but he liked 323 00:21:45,616 --> 00:21:50,036 Speaker 1: the money. You know, he hated that they were ruining 324 00:21:50,076 --> 00:21:55,686 Speaker 1: the beaches, but... He liked the excitement of being in 325 00:21:55,726 --> 00:21:56,306 Speaker 1: the movies. 326 00:21:58,146 --> 00:22:01,106 Speaker 2: For the next decade, Mickey worked in the Gidget sequels 327 00:22:01,506 --> 00:22:04,416 Speaker 2: and any other teeny-bopper beach movie he could get himself 328 00:22:04,456 --> 00:22:08,176 Speaker 2: hired on. He was a stuntman in Gidget Goes Hawaiian 329 00:22:08,376 --> 00:22:08,856 Speaker 2: in 1961. 330 00:22:08,836 --> 00:22:17,346 Speaker 1: Since the Gidget came to Waikiki It was opportunity for him. 331 00:22:17,686 --> 00:22:19,746 Speaker 1: And he always wanted to be a movie star. I mean, 332 00:22:19,766 --> 00:22:21,606 Speaker 1: that's why he was the King of Malibu. 333 00:22:22,376 --> 00:22:25,636 Speaker 2: He went to Hawaii and surfed 20-foot waves with Greg 334 00:22:25,696 --> 00:22:28,816 Speaker 2: Knoll for Ride the Wild Surf in 1964. Ride, ride, 335 00:22:29,036 --> 00:22:34,586 Speaker 2: ride the wild surf. He was credited as a beach 336 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:39,546 Speaker 2: boy in Beach Blanket Bingo, the 1965 classic starring Frankie 337 00:22:39,666 --> 00:22:41,386 Speaker 2: Avalon and Annette Funicello. 338 00:22:41,406 --> 00:22:45,696 Speaker 1: Beach Blanket Bingo, that's the name of the, that's the 339 00:22:45,716 --> 00:22:49,276 Speaker 1: name of the, that's the name of the game. 340 00:22:52,506 --> 00:22:55,926 Speaker 2: That same year, Mickey also appeared in How to Stuff 341 00:22:56,086 --> 00:22:57,086 Speaker 2: a Wild Bikini. 342 00:22:57,206 --> 00:22:59,006 Speaker 1: Wow, dig that wild bikini. 343 00:22:59,496 --> 00:23:02,896 Speaker 2: Yeah! It ain't nothing without the stuffing. 344 00:23:03,156 --> 00:23:05,256 Speaker 1: How do we stuff it? Easy, man. 345 00:23:05,596 --> 00:23:06,376 Speaker 4: You just.... 346 00:23:09,376 --> 00:23:12,076 Speaker 2: And when Gidget became a TV show, he taught Sally 347 00:23:12,116 --> 00:23:12,816 Speaker 2: Field to surf. 348 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,326 Speaker 3: You see before you me, Gidget. 349 00:23:16,726 --> 00:23:18,186 Speaker 1: For 15 and a half years, my. 350 00:23:18,806 --> 00:23:21,486 Speaker 2: Mickey may have had strong feelings about the exploitation of 351 00:23:21,526 --> 00:23:24,996 Speaker 2: Malibu and surf culture, but he didn't mind doing a 352 00:23:25,046 --> 00:23:26,396 Speaker 2: little exploiting of his own. 353 00:23:27,536 --> 00:23:30,256 Speaker 1: He was making Boku bucks because he was doing a 354 00:23:30,296 --> 00:23:32,976 Speaker 1: lot of stunt work. And that's what messed us up 355 00:23:33,016 --> 00:23:36,916 Speaker 1: because he started flirting with either the producer's daughter or 356 00:23:36,976 --> 00:23:40,836 Speaker 1: somebody's daughter that had the power to give him more work. 357 00:23:43,396 --> 00:23:46,326 Speaker 2: But even off the film sets, on the beach in Malibu, 358 00:23:46,786 --> 00:23:50,356 Speaker 2: Mickey always seemed to be in character. Here's Diane. 359 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:56,316 Speaker 1: He was a much gentler, quieter, simple person at home, 360 00:23:56,396 --> 00:23:58,196 Speaker 1: and we had a lot of fun and tried to 361 00:23:58,236 --> 00:24:02,366 Speaker 1: have a healthy, wonderful life. And then when he hit Malibu, 362 00:24:02,506 --> 00:24:05,426 Speaker 1: it was a different story. He was on. 363 00:24:07,986 --> 00:24:12,466 Speaker 2: Was his persona a kind of performance art? 364 00:24:13,286 --> 00:24:15,746 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say it that way, I would think 365 00:24:15,786 --> 00:24:17,926 Speaker 1: that every time he got on a board in Malibu, 366 00:24:17,986 --> 00:24:19,306 Speaker 1: it was performance art. 367 00:24:20,186 --> 00:24:22,126 Speaker 2: And maybe also every time he showed up at the 368 00:24:22,166 --> 00:24:23,506 Speaker 2: beach in a leather trench coat. 369 00:24:24,066 --> 00:24:29,456 Speaker 1: Of course. He was always doing something for effect. You know, 370 00:24:29,496 --> 00:24:31,516 Speaker 1: I mean, for reaction. 371 00:24:32,696 --> 00:24:34,296 Speaker 3: And he was playing Mickey Dora. 372 00:24:34,996 --> 00:24:40,336 Speaker 1: Exactly. Or Chicky Mathan. Or Big Close Sandor. You know, 373 00:24:40,706 --> 00:24:43,486 Speaker 1: whatever persona or name he wanted to come up with 374 00:24:43,526 --> 00:24:49,506 Speaker 1: at that time to fit his mood or his protest. Yeah. 375 00:24:50,966 --> 00:24:53,686 Speaker 2: In the era of the beach blanket bingo type of movies, 376 00:24:54,206 --> 00:24:58,406 Speaker 2: Malibu was basically an open casting call. Mickey made sure 377 00:24:58,486 --> 00:24:59,866 Speaker 2: he was highly visible. 378 00:25:01,216 --> 00:25:05,456 Speaker 1: He got picked to do a surfing double. I guess 379 00:25:05,496 --> 00:25:09,316 Speaker 1: the producers went on the beach in Malibu and, you know, 380 00:25:09,376 --> 00:25:13,436 Speaker 1: picked people to be extras and dancers and stuff like 381 00:25:13,476 --> 00:25:17,486 Speaker 1: that in these films. He was, you know, a stand-in. 382 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:21,626 Speaker 1: surfer for all the big guys in all those movies. 383 00:25:21,826 --> 00:25:26,136 Speaker 1: It was Mickey that was doing the surfing. And he 384 00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:28,136 Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor. He would have loved to 385 00:25:28,176 --> 00:25:29,916 Speaker 1: have been an actor, and he probably would have been 386 00:25:29,936 --> 00:25:32,576 Speaker 1: a good one, except he'd always mess up. 387 00:25:33,476 --> 00:25:34,996 Speaker 3: What do you mean by he'd always mess up? 388 00:25:35,716 --> 00:25:39,786 Speaker 1: Oh, he'd pull some shaganigan that would piss somebody off, 389 00:25:39,846 --> 00:25:43,066 Speaker 1: and then they'd throw him off the set. there'd be 390 00:25:43,106 --> 00:25:47,446 Speaker 1: a scene of a two-spot of people talking and Mickey 391 00:25:47,466 --> 00:25:51,186 Speaker 1: would be in the background dancing like a fool and 392 00:25:51,826 --> 00:25:56,936 Speaker 1: all the energy went to him. He would find a 393 00:25:56,976 --> 00:26:03,036 Speaker 1: way to steal the spotlight, should we say. He's like 394 00:26:03,076 --> 00:26:06,676 Speaker 1: a child that needed attention all the time. And I 395 00:26:06,716 --> 00:26:09,806 Speaker 1: didn't mind it. I was madly in love. He was 396 00:26:09,846 --> 00:26:14,056 Speaker 1: my mentor, you know. my savior, you know, he took 397 00:26:14,096 --> 00:26:17,536 Speaker 1: care of me, you know, and I shaved his back 398 00:26:18,156 --> 00:26:20,376 Speaker 1: so he could be faster in the water. 399 00:26:24,716 --> 00:26:28,376 Speaker 2: Things were not perfect between Diane and Mickey. The power 400 00:26:28,416 --> 00:26:30,416 Speaker 2: differential was enormous. 401 00:26:32,336 --> 00:26:34,656 Speaker 3: Did he act jealous over you? 402 00:26:35,276 --> 00:26:41,336 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I couldn't talk to other boys. Uh, if I 403 00:26:41,396 --> 00:26:44,976 Speaker 1: went somewhere that was party with like his friends, he'd 404 00:26:45,016 --> 00:26:48,096 Speaker 1: tell me to wear my glasses. So I wouldn't look 405 00:26:48,136 --> 00:26:52,336 Speaker 1: so good. 406 00:26:53,996 --> 00:26:58,526 Speaker 2: They lived together secretly in Alice's little house, but Mickey 407 00:26:58,566 --> 00:27:03,626 Speaker 2: had a whole life outside of Diane. Did he have 408 00:27:03,746 --> 00:27:06,366 Speaker 2: other girlfriends at the same time that you were together? 409 00:27:06,386 --> 00:27:13,386 Speaker 1: I think so. And, uh, he, um, was seeing a woman, Cynthia, 410 00:27:13,406 --> 00:27:14,726 Speaker 1: a married woman, of course. 411 00:27:15,806 --> 00:27:19,086 Speaker 2: When you said that he liked to date married women 412 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:23,686 Speaker 2: because it was a way of kind of, you know, 413 00:27:24,106 --> 00:27:24,506 Speaker 2: having a secret. 414 00:27:24,526 --> 00:27:28,786 Speaker 1: It was safe. Yeah, and it was also safe, you know. 415 00:27:28,806 --> 00:27:33,266 Speaker 1: He didn't have much commitment. You know, he didn't have 416 00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:36,396 Speaker 1: to worry about it. And the only, I think the 417 00:27:36,476 --> 00:27:41,836 Speaker 1: only married woman that I remember was probably Cynthia. And 418 00:27:41,856 --> 00:27:43,916 Speaker 1: he used to just tell me they used to be 419 00:27:43,976 --> 00:27:45,976 Speaker 1: surfers together. Mm-hmm. 420 00:27:48,576 --> 00:27:50,776 Speaker 2: You didn't believe that was the extent of it? 421 00:27:51,326 --> 00:27:57,426 Speaker 1: Well, actually, I did for a while. I thought I 422 00:27:57,466 --> 00:28:00,456 Speaker 1: had the perfect bromance and that, you know, he's going 423 00:28:00,476 --> 00:28:05,076 Speaker 1: to eventually give up surfing. Mm-hmm. and get a job 424 00:28:05,136 --> 00:28:08,406 Speaker 1: that his dad would give him and he'd inherit the 425 00:28:08,446 --> 00:28:13,286 Speaker 1: family business and we'd marry and everything was hunky-dory. And 426 00:28:13,326 --> 00:28:16,166 Speaker 1: then when I realized everything was just a scam and 427 00:28:16,186 --> 00:28:20,646 Speaker 1: he had all these girlfriends, I said, pass. I left him. 428 00:28:23,326 --> 00:28:27,766 Speaker 1: I was too jealous. I mean, I was insanely jealous 429 00:28:27,846 --> 00:28:32,746 Speaker 1: of him. You remember, he's the first one. 430 00:28:35,186 --> 00:28:36,766 Speaker 2: The breakup was vicious. 431 00:28:38,106 --> 00:28:40,466 Speaker 1: I had my car packed with everything that I owned. 432 00:28:41,626 --> 00:28:43,676 Speaker 1: And he came home and he said, what are you doing? 433 00:28:43,696 --> 00:28:46,876 Speaker 1: I said, I'm leaving. And he says, you can't leave. 434 00:28:46,916 --> 00:28:49,356 Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And I said, I don't 435 00:28:49,376 --> 00:28:51,776 Speaker 1: want to do this. And I'm out of here. And 436 00:28:51,826 --> 00:28:59,096 Speaker 1: I remember driving away, bawling my eyes out. And then 437 00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:01,796 Speaker 1: him checking with me, I don't know, about a week 438 00:29:01,856 --> 00:29:04,536 Speaker 1: later to make sure I was all right. And what 439 00:29:04,726 --> 00:29:06,726 Speaker 1: are you doing? Where are you living? And I wouldn't 440 00:29:06,766 --> 00:29:11,406 Speaker 1: tell him, you know. And then he was worried that 441 00:29:11,546 --> 00:29:17,386 Speaker 1: I would tell people where he lived. And I could 442 00:29:17,426 --> 00:29:20,246 Speaker 1: care less because I was working on a new movie 443 00:29:20,346 --> 00:29:22,406 Speaker 1: and I thought I was going to be a big 444 00:29:22,446 --> 00:29:27,346 Speaker 1: movie star. And went to Rome, and oh, you know, 445 00:29:27,386 --> 00:29:33,706 Speaker 1: my whole life changed after that, needless to say. And yeah, 446 00:29:34,526 --> 00:29:35,126 Speaker 1: thank God. 447 00:29:40,646 --> 00:29:43,706 Speaker 2: Diane left Los Angeles and went to Rome to act 448 00:29:43,826 --> 00:29:48,046 Speaker 2: in Fellini's Satyricon and a bunch of spaghetti westerns. She 449 00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:51,136 Speaker 2: got married half and it was a few years before 450 00:29:51,176 --> 00:29:55,296 Speaker 2: she crossed paths with Mickey Dora again. It seemed like 451 00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:57,416 Speaker 2: he was up to his same old tricks. 452 00:29:59,556 --> 00:30:04,366 Speaker 1: When I came back to America, Mickey had contacted me 453 00:30:04,426 --> 00:30:09,086 Speaker 1: for something. I don't know what he wanted. He wanted 454 00:30:09,186 --> 00:30:13,086 Speaker 1: us to go live with him in New Zealand. You know, 455 00:30:13,186 --> 00:30:16,266 Speaker 1: he wanted to start a commune or some sort of 456 00:30:16,386 --> 00:30:22,536 Speaker 1: lifestyle there. And we'd all, you know, plant vegetables. 457 00:30:23,496 --> 00:30:25,816 Speaker 3: Did you think he was trying to scam you guys? 458 00:30:26,796 --> 00:30:32,466 Speaker 1: Oh, immediately. You know, immediately. When he started in talking 459 00:30:32,536 --> 00:30:36,586 Speaker 1: about New Zealand, I thought, uh-huh, uh-uh. No, I didn't 460 00:30:36,626 --> 00:30:36,966 Speaker 1: buy it. 461 00:30:39,466 --> 00:30:42,346 Speaker 2: Toward the end of their relationship, Mickey started to talk 462 00:30:42,406 --> 00:30:46,206 Speaker 2: about leaving Malibu. He was looking for a new wave, 463 00:30:46,946 --> 00:30:50,886 Speaker 2: a perfect, clean wave with nobody else on it, far 464 00:30:50,986 --> 00:30:55,526 Speaker 2: away from Malibu. But to travel, he'd need money. 465 00:30:56,566 --> 00:30:59,166 Speaker 1: He wanted to start taking it a step further and 466 00:30:59,266 --> 00:31:02,306 Speaker 1: try and steal airline tickets so he could travel the 467 00:31:02,346 --> 00:31:04,606 Speaker 1: world in search of the perfect wave. 468 00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:08,086 Speaker 2: He had tried to enroll Diane. 469 00:31:09,306 --> 00:31:12,386 Speaker 1: I remember going to the airport, I forget, like it 470 00:31:12,406 --> 00:31:16,416 Speaker 1: was Burbank or some little airport, and Mickey would say, 471 00:31:16,456 --> 00:31:18,636 Speaker 1: now you talk to the guy for a minute and 472 00:31:18,656 --> 00:31:20,476 Speaker 1: see if you can get him to turn away. And 473 00:31:21,276 --> 00:31:24,556 Speaker 1: I'd say, oh, okay. And I'd talk to the guy about, 474 00:31:24,596 --> 00:31:26,936 Speaker 1: you know, is this flight going blah, blah, here, blah, blah. 475 00:31:27,436 --> 00:31:30,566 Speaker 1: And then Mickey had the sleight of hand when it 476 00:31:30,586 --> 00:31:34,306 Speaker 1: came to stealing. And he would reach over the desk 477 00:31:34,446 --> 00:31:39,546 Speaker 1: and take a stack of airline tickets. And this is, again, pre-computer. 478 00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:44,526 Speaker 1: Then he would fill them out and sell them to 479 00:31:44,676 --> 00:31:47,556 Speaker 1: friends saying, you want to go to New Zealand? I 480 00:31:47,576 --> 00:31:50,176 Speaker 1: can get you a ticket free. You want to go 481 00:31:50,236 --> 00:31:52,756 Speaker 1: to Paris? Let me get you a ticket. And he 482 00:31:52,796 --> 00:31:56,256 Speaker 1: would just fill out the tickets, give them to the person. 483 00:31:56,276 --> 00:31:57,806 Speaker 1: The person would give him, I don't know, a few 484 00:31:57,846 --> 00:32:01,926 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. And they would go to Paris. It would work. 485 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,876 Speaker 1: And I thought, uh-uh, this doesn't look good. This looks 486 00:32:07,916 --> 00:32:11,406 Speaker 1: like a lot of trouble if we get caught. You know, 487 00:32:11,426 --> 00:32:16,966 Speaker 1: this isn't a beaded dress. It was escalating, and I 488 00:32:17,006 --> 00:32:20,206 Speaker 1: didn't want to go there. That's when I decided I'm 489 00:32:20,266 --> 00:32:23,846 Speaker 1: not interested in this game anymore. It looks pretty heavy. 490 00:32:26,106 --> 00:32:30,056 Speaker 2: Mickey was expanding his horizons, looking to the world beyond. 491 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:36,106 Speaker 2: Malibu was over, he proclaimed. He wrote, quote, The thousands 492 00:32:36,146 --> 00:32:39,946 Speaker 2: of other plebeian fruit flies that compose the alleged surfing 493 00:32:40,046 --> 00:32:46,546 Speaker 2: sub-subculture are forcing me to seek greener pastures, unquote. Soon, 494 00:32:46,606 --> 00:32:49,956 Speaker 2: he promised, he'd be going into exile. He made a 495 00:32:50,116 --> 00:32:54,196 Speaker 2: huge show of complaining about the rape of Malibu. But 496 00:32:54,256 --> 00:33:00,496 Speaker 2: this was Mickey's up-close magic. A big distraction. Because even 497 00:33:00,536 --> 00:33:03,976 Speaker 2: as he burnished his reputation as the lone holdout, the 498 00:33:04,036 --> 00:33:09,206 Speaker 2: last purist, He was busily picking the pocket of whoever 499 00:33:09,646 --> 00:33:22,696 Speaker 2: might be listening. Next time on Lost Hills, everyone's hustling. 500 00:33:24,116 --> 00:33:27,556 Speaker 4: Everyone wanted everyone else to be successful. Some people were 501 00:33:27,596 --> 00:33:30,176 Speaker 4: showing movies. Some people were selling Hawaiian shirts. Some people 502 00:33:30,196 --> 00:33:33,646 Speaker 4: were selling surfboards. Some people were Nobody wanted to work 503 00:33:33,646 --> 00:33:35,566 Speaker 4: 9 to 5. Nobody wanted to wear a suit and tie. 504 00:33:35,606 --> 00:33:41,006 Speaker 4: Everybody wanted to live their own life and be cool. 505 00:33:41,706 --> 00:33:43,656 Speaker 4: And at the same time, nobody wanted to be poor. 506 00:33:44,536 --> 00:33:46,676 Speaker 4: And so, you know, the trick was, how do you 507 00:33:46,716 --> 00:33:49,436 Speaker 4: do that? And the answer was, you figure out how 508 00:33:49,456 --> 00:33:52,176 Speaker 4: to make the surfing industry work for you. 509 00:33:53,816 --> 00:33:59,306 Speaker 2: That's next in Episode 7, Misdirection. Misdirection. Lost Hills is 510 00:33:59,346 --> 00:34:02,736 Speaker 2: written and reported by me, Dana Goodyear. 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