1 00:00:15,036 --> 00:00:22,036 Speaker 1: Pushkin Hey, Lost Hills listeners, It's Dana. I wanted to 2 00:00:22,076 --> 00:00:24,196 Speaker 1: let you know that you can hear the entire new 3 00:00:24,236 --> 00:00:27,556 Speaker 1: season of Lost Hill's ad free, along with other great 4 00:00:27,596 --> 00:00:31,836 Speaker 1: binge listens by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Find Pushkin 5 00:00:31,916 --> 00:00:35,156 Speaker 1: Plus on the Lost Hills show page in Apple Podcasts, 6 00:00:35,356 --> 00:00:39,236 Speaker 1: or at pushkin dot fm, slash Plus. 7 00:00:44,636 --> 00:00:47,196 Speaker 2: Hi Dana, Helloha from Maui. 8 00:00:48,036 --> 00:00:53,876 Speaker 1: Hi Diane. This is Diane Ustervine. She's lived in Hawaii 9 00:00:53,876 --> 00:00:57,036 Speaker 1: for decades and for years had a business selling vintage 10 00:00:57,036 --> 00:01:02,956 Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirts. Among her customers Jack Nicholson and Sharon Stone, 11 00:01:03,676 --> 00:01:06,876 Speaker 1: but once upon a time, Diane was one of Mickey 12 00:01:06,916 --> 00:01:07,916 Speaker 1: Dora's girlfriends. 13 00:01:09,676 --> 00:01:14,636 Speaker 2: I grew up in Los Angeles, in the Valley Insino 14 00:01:14,836 --> 00:01:16,196 Speaker 2: in West Hollywood. 15 00:01:17,316 --> 00:01:20,316 Speaker 1: Diane was a runaway. She'd left an abusive home and 16 00:01:20,396 --> 00:01:22,036 Speaker 1: found herself in foster care. 17 00:01:23,636 --> 00:01:28,676 Speaker 2: I was raised strict Catholic, so I had that all 18 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:32,676 Speaker 2: that parochial schooling, and then went wild when I hit 19 00:01:33,036 --> 00:01:34,156 Speaker 2: high school. 20 00:01:34,636 --> 00:01:38,276 Speaker 1: Diane met Mickey in nineteen sixty two. She was seventeen, 21 00:01:38,756 --> 00:01:42,436 Speaker 1: a total babe. She describes herself then as a cross 22 00:01:42,476 --> 00:01:45,116 Speaker 1: between Sondra Die and Pamela Anderson. 23 00:01:46,356 --> 00:01:49,156 Speaker 2: I was runner up in the MISSPKINI contest. Fall in 24 00:01:49,196 --> 00:01:54,876 Speaker 2: the Springs, Blonde, blue eyed, big boobs, you know, the 25 00:01:54,956 --> 00:02:01,396 Speaker 2: typical blonde valley girl, and you know, naive somewhat. 26 00:02:02,396 --> 00:02:04,636 Speaker 1: Diane was at the beach for one reason and one 27 00:02:04,676 --> 00:02:09,436 Speaker 1: reason alone, the reason Mickey Dora hated. I had to 28 00:02:09,476 --> 00:02:14,036 Speaker 1: admit it threw some opportunities his way. Had you seen 29 00:02:14,636 --> 00:02:16,076 Speaker 1: the Gidget movie at that point? 30 00:02:16,556 --> 00:02:20,356 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know. I was impressed with it. I 31 00:02:20,436 --> 00:02:24,116 Speaker 2: was intrigued with it. And that's why we started going 32 00:02:24,116 --> 00:02:27,116 Speaker 2: to Malibu because we heard that's where the cute boys were. 33 00:02:28,476 --> 00:02:31,836 Speaker 1: Diane didn't surf or swim. She camped out on the 34 00:02:31,876 --> 00:02:35,356 Speaker 1: sand watching the guys in the water. There was one 35 00:02:35,436 --> 00:02:38,276 Speaker 1: surfer who stood out. He was a showman. 36 00:02:39,196 --> 00:02:43,476 Speaker 2: We were laying on the beach and everybody was attention 37 00:02:43,836 --> 00:02:46,636 Speaker 2: was to the water and there seemed to be somebody 38 00:02:46,716 --> 00:02:49,556 Speaker 2: performing out there, and of course that was Nky Dora. 39 00:02:49,876 --> 00:02:53,116 Speaker 2: He was pushing all the boys off their boards, jumping 40 00:02:53,196 --> 00:02:57,636 Speaker 2: on their board and riding it in and everybody was 41 00:02:57,716 --> 00:03:00,916 Speaker 2: ooing and eyeing, and all of a sudden, I saw 42 00:03:00,956 --> 00:03:07,076 Speaker 2: this amazing looking man walking out of the water. He 43 00:03:07,196 --> 00:03:10,956 Speaker 2: was gorgeous. What can I say, I mean tall, dark, 44 00:03:11,036 --> 00:03:14,196 Speaker 2: and handsome, every bit of the word. He was agile. 45 00:03:14,276 --> 00:03:17,516 Speaker 2: He was like a dancer on a surfboard. And I 46 00:03:17,596 --> 00:03:19,756 Speaker 2: fell in love the minute he walked out of the water. 47 00:03:20,916 --> 00:03:24,916 Speaker 2: And he walked out through his board next to my towel, 48 00:03:25,196 --> 00:03:27,556 Speaker 2: laid down, looked at me in the eye. While I 49 00:03:27,596 --> 00:03:30,916 Speaker 2: could barely talk. He said to me, do you want 50 00:03:30,956 --> 00:03:35,276 Speaker 2: to go to a party? I said yes, but you'll 51 00:03:35,316 --> 00:03:37,436 Speaker 2: have to pick me up. He says, where do you live? 52 00:03:38,156 --> 00:03:40,956 Speaker 2: I said in the valley. He says, oh, I don't 53 00:03:40,996 --> 00:03:41,756 Speaker 2: go to the valley. 54 00:03:44,236 --> 00:03:47,796 Speaker 1: Still, Mickey could work with this situation. He must have 55 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:51,116 Speaker 1: sensed right away that Diane was a lot like him, 56 00:03:51,156 --> 00:03:56,476 Speaker 1: a beautiful, untethered orphan, someone who adored him at first sight, 57 00:03:57,716 --> 00:04:04,476 Speaker 1: someone game, someone he could manipulate, someone who would be 58 00:04:04,556 --> 00:04:13,076 Speaker 1: his partner in crime. I'm Dana Goodyear and this is 59 00:04:13,196 --> 00:04:49,756 Speaker 1: Lost Hills, episode six. Fuck the World. At Malibu, Mickey 60 00:04:49,836 --> 00:04:53,356 Speaker 1: was the king and all eyes were on him every 61 00:04:53,396 --> 00:04:56,636 Speaker 1: move he made. But his life away from the beach, 62 00:04:57,356 --> 00:05:00,476 Speaker 1: that was a mystery to everyone, and that's how he 63 00:05:00,636 --> 00:05:00,956 Speaker 1: liked it. 64 00:05:01,916 --> 00:05:04,716 Speaker 2: He didn't want anything to do with anybody. 65 00:05:05,516 --> 00:05:09,716 Speaker 1: With the explosion in Surfing's popularity, the Valley Cowboy, the 66 00:05:09,836 --> 00:05:14,836 Speaker 1: vals invaded Malibu. He thought they were kooks. They ruined 67 00:05:14,836 --> 00:05:19,276 Speaker 1: his wave, contaminated his scene. Here's Diane. 68 00:05:19,476 --> 00:05:21,796 Speaker 2: And that's what used to piss him off at Malibu 69 00:05:21,956 --> 00:05:26,676 Speaker 2: because all these valley kids and kids with no talent 70 00:05:26,836 --> 00:05:31,516 Speaker 2: would interfere in what he was doing. And he hated 71 00:05:31,556 --> 00:05:35,156 Speaker 2: it because he used to have his peace at Malibu, 72 00:05:35,476 --> 00:05:38,596 Speaker 2: you know, and that was taken away and it made 73 00:05:38,676 --> 00:05:39,236 Speaker 2: him angry. 74 00:05:40,316 --> 00:05:42,796 Speaker 1: Mickey didn't pick Diana up for that party he invited 75 00:05:42,796 --> 00:05:45,676 Speaker 1: her to when she first saw him on the beach. No, 76 00:05:46,036 --> 00:05:49,636 Speaker 1: he made her wait two weeks, refusing her and making 77 00:05:49,676 --> 00:05:53,156 Speaker 1: her crazy. Finally, she invited him to dinner at her 78 00:05:53,196 --> 00:05:55,916 Speaker 1: house in the valley, and he agreed. 79 00:05:56,836 --> 00:06:00,516 Speaker 2: We had dinner, which was hysterical because I didn't know 80 00:06:00,556 --> 00:06:03,076 Speaker 2: how to cook. And I took a piece of hamburger meat, 81 00:06:03,196 --> 00:06:04,836 Speaker 2: rolled it up in a ball and put it in 82 00:06:04,836 --> 00:06:08,836 Speaker 2: a pot and rolled it around. He was hysterical with laughter. 83 00:06:09,196 --> 00:06:12,556 Speaker 2: Took me out to dinner. I think, I don't know something, 84 00:06:12,756 --> 00:06:18,116 Speaker 2: some small place and we hung around and necked and 85 00:06:18,996 --> 00:06:19,996 Speaker 2: didn't make love. 86 00:06:21,556 --> 00:06:24,556 Speaker 1: Mickey wanted to see Diane again. He was living with 87 00:06:24,596 --> 00:06:28,396 Speaker 1: his grandmother, Madame de Sanctis, so that wasn't a good 88 00:06:28,436 --> 00:06:30,996 Speaker 1: place for them to hang out, and he wasn't going 89 00:06:31,036 --> 00:06:34,036 Speaker 1: to keep going to the valley. He suggested a parking 90 00:06:34,076 --> 00:06:36,276 Speaker 1: lot of a twenty four hour Burger spot in. 91 00:06:36,236 --> 00:06:41,636 Speaker 2: Hollywood, and we used to meet at Tiny Naylor's parking lot, 92 00:06:42,276 --> 00:06:45,556 Speaker 2: and we used to hang out in his car and 93 00:06:45,756 --> 00:06:48,596 Speaker 2: talk and neck and make plans. 94 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:53,596 Speaker 1: You know, Mickey was twenty eight, Diane was still a 95 00:06:53,636 --> 00:06:55,996 Speaker 1: teenager and pretty inexperienced. 96 00:06:57,116 --> 00:07:00,276 Speaker 2: And he asked me why I wasn't in school and 97 00:07:00,316 --> 00:07:04,116 Speaker 2: I said, well, I graduated, but they kicked me out 98 00:07:04,156 --> 00:07:06,996 Speaker 2: and I couldn't go to the prom or any of 99 00:07:06,156 --> 00:07:11,276 Speaker 2: the ceremonies. And he said, said why, And I said, well, 100 00:07:11,436 --> 00:07:14,996 Speaker 2: I was bad. I had a friend steal a time 101 00:07:15,396 --> 00:07:18,116 Speaker 2: clock from the school and we hooked it up in 102 00:07:18,196 --> 00:07:21,036 Speaker 2: my locker, and then the kids would pay me a 103 00:07:21,076 --> 00:07:23,676 Speaker 2: couple of bucks to come in and stamp their time 104 00:07:23,796 --> 00:07:27,596 Speaker 2: card to go to class, slate or to cut class. 105 00:07:27,996 --> 00:07:30,396 Speaker 2: And then I got caught because it kept making a 106 00:07:30,476 --> 00:07:33,156 Speaker 2: ticking sound every time anybody would walk by. 107 00:07:34,396 --> 00:07:36,716 Speaker 1: What was Mickey's reaction when you told him that story? 108 00:07:37,716 --> 00:07:42,636 Speaker 2: Are you kidding? He loved it, you know, he saw 109 00:07:42,636 --> 00:07:44,036 Speaker 2: a great future for us. 110 00:07:46,516 --> 00:07:50,276 Speaker 1: Before long, Mickey made a proposal. But they take their 111 00:07:50,316 --> 00:07:51,916 Speaker 1: relationship to the next level. 112 00:07:52,956 --> 00:07:55,956 Speaker 2: One day, he said, you got to move out of 113 00:07:55,956 --> 00:08:01,356 Speaker 2: the valley. He said about everybody in the valley were idiots, 114 00:08:02,196 --> 00:08:06,476 Speaker 2: and he thought I wasn't. So I said, okay. He says, fine, 115 00:08:06,556 --> 00:08:08,636 Speaker 2: the place, but it can't be in the valley. I 116 00:08:08,636 --> 00:08:13,516 Speaker 2: said okay. So I found a place and we moved 117 00:08:13,556 --> 00:08:14,116 Speaker 2: in together. 118 00:08:15,556 --> 00:08:17,796 Speaker 1: With Mickey, everything was mysterious. 119 00:08:18,916 --> 00:08:21,116 Speaker 2: He was famous for changing names. 120 00:08:21,276 --> 00:08:21,636 Speaker 3: You know. 121 00:08:21,836 --> 00:08:24,436 Speaker 2: We'd always have a you know, pseudo names that we'd 122 00:08:24,516 --> 00:08:25,516 Speaker 2: make up for each other. 123 00:08:26,356 --> 00:08:27,716 Speaker 1: Were What were some of those names? 124 00:08:28,476 --> 00:08:32,316 Speaker 2: Oh, he was Chicky Mafe and Michelo's cyandor he was 125 00:08:34,036 --> 00:08:38,156 Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse. He was many names. 126 00:08:38,916 --> 00:08:40,796 Speaker 1: She decided to change her name too. 127 00:08:42,156 --> 00:08:46,156 Speaker 2: My name was Alice Diane at birth, so I would 128 00:08:46,316 --> 00:08:49,636 Speaker 2: always use the name Diane. But when I got with Mickey, 129 00:08:49,836 --> 00:08:53,916 Speaker 2: I was using Alice. I wanted to be mysterious too. 130 00:08:53,956 --> 00:08:55,396 Speaker 2: You see. 131 00:08:55,756 --> 00:08:58,276 Speaker 1: She found a place in Brentwood and they named it 132 00:08:58,316 --> 00:09:00,796 Speaker 1: after her, Alice's little house. 133 00:09:01,716 --> 00:09:04,916 Speaker 2: It was adorable. It's a little cottage, and I kept 134 00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:08,036 Speaker 2: it very neat. Micky didn't have a lot of stuff. 135 00:09:08,836 --> 00:09:11,396 Speaker 2: His great joy was the fact you could go out 136 00:09:11,396 --> 00:09:13,236 Speaker 2: the back door and there was a garage where he 137 00:09:13,276 --> 00:09:17,596 Speaker 2: could store all the boards, and you know the vintage cars. 138 00:09:18,236 --> 00:09:21,956 Speaker 1: Mickey collected antique cars, a nineteen forty eight Jaguar, a 139 00:09:22,036 --> 00:09:25,756 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight Porsche Spider, a nineteen thirty Rolls Royce 140 00:09:25,876 --> 00:09:30,716 Speaker 1: Phantom two. He had expensive taste and somewhere off stage, 141 00:09:30,836 --> 00:09:35,876 Speaker 1: a supposedly aristocratic family. Diane was impressed. He was a 142 00:09:35,916 --> 00:09:38,916 Speaker 1: lot more sophisticated than she was, and it kept her 143 00:09:38,916 --> 00:09:42,476 Speaker 1: from thinking too hard about where the money was coming from. 144 00:09:43,636 --> 00:09:47,036 Speaker 1: For Diane, living with Mickey meant living by his routines, 145 00:09:47,516 --> 00:09:48,916 Speaker 1: and they were very specific. 146 00:09:50,316 --> 00:09:56,556 Speaker 2: He'd wake up in the morning very early. He'd take vitamins, 147 00:09:57,076 --> 00:10:00,436 Speaker 2: jump in the car with me. He picked me up 148 00:10:00,436 --> 00:10:04,916 Speaker 2: a cup of coffee somewhere. We'd go down to either Malet, 149 00:10:04,956 --> 00:10:07,436 Speaker 2: we were at Tressels, some bell place, you know, two 150 00:10:07,476 --> 00:10:10,076 Speaker 2: or three beaches. He'd get out of the car and 151 00:10:10,196 --> 00:10:12,476 Speaker 2: stare at the ocean, and I'd sit in the car 152 00:10:12,516 --> 00:10:15,756 Speaker 2: and drink my coffee, thinking what the fuck is he 153 00:10:15,876 --> 00:10:18,916 Speaker 2: doing and why does he do this every morning? Is 154 00:10:18,956 --> 00:10:22,676 Speaker 2: he nuts? And then I'd go to work because I 155 00:10:22,756 --> 00:10:26,516 Speaker 2: was working in a boutique at the time, and he 156 00:10:26,516 --> 00:10:29,876 Speaker 2: would go in the garage, picked his board and surf 157 00:10:29,956 --> 00:10:33,956 Speaker 2: all that. I'd come home from work, he'd be there. 158 00:10:34,516 --> 00:10:38,436 Speaker 2: We'd lay in bed, listen to stock reports or the 159 00:10:38,556 --> 00:10:44,356 Speaker 2: news or something, make dinner, which was usually steak, potato 160 00:10:44,476 --> 00:10:47,676 Speaker 2: and wine. And I wasn't drinking at that time, but 161 00:10:47,716 --> 00:10:53,556 Speaker 2: he always had good wine, and that was it. It 162 00:10:53,636 --> 00:10:58,756 Speaker 2: was real simple, you know, And probably that's one of 163 00:10:58,756 --> 00:11:00,836 Speaker 2: the reasons why he didn't want me to tell anybody 164 00:11:00,836 --> 00:11:04,196 Speaker 2: how we lived, because it wasn't, you know, as exciting 165 00:11:04,236 --> 00:11:06,996 Speaker 2: as the life that was outside of the house. 166 00:11:09,596 --> 00:11:12,636 Speaker 1: Diane became the keeper of Mickey's secrets. 167 00:11:13,036 --> 00:11:16,556 Speaker 2: And of course I was always warned never ever to 168 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:21,396 Speaker 2: let anybody know where he lived. So our whole relationship 169 00:11:21,516 --> 00:11:25,716 Speaker 2: was super, super secret, and I loved it because i'd 170 00:11:25,716 --> 00:11:29,556 Speaker 2: go lay on the beach with him and he'd be 171 00:11:29,636 --> 00:11:32,276 Speaker 2: in the water, and of course all his buddies, you 172 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:34,196 Speaker 2: know it would all come up to me and start 173 00:11:34,276 --> 00:11:36,676 Speaker 2: drilling me about Mickey. You know, they want to know 174 00:11:36,716 --> 00:11:38,756 Speaker 2: where does he live, what does he do, what does 175 00:11:38,796 --> 00:11:43,596 Speaker 2: he eat? And of course I adored the attention and 176 00:11:43,756 --> 00:11:47,476 Speaker 2: wouldn't tell them a thing. And of course Mickey loved 177 00:11:47,476 --> 00:11:49,396 Speaker 2: the fact that I could keep my mouth shut. 178 00:11:50,876 --> 00:11:53,516 Speaker 1: What was behind all that secrecy. 179 00:11:53,956 --> 00:11:56,996 Speaker 2: Probably afraid that somebody was going to come and steal 180 00:11:57,516 --> 00:12:02,956 Speaker 2: stuff that he probably already stole. And other words, a 181 00:12:03,036 --> 00:12:06,916 Speaker 2: thief is always suspicious that someone's going to come and 182 00:12:06,956 --> 00:12:09,596 Speaker 2: steal from them. 183 00:12:10,636 --> 00:12:14,556 Speaker 1: Playing house at Alice's Little House got Diane dreaming of 184 00:12:14,596 --> 00:12:17,756 Speaker 1: a life with Mickey. To a seventeen year old runaway, 185 00:12:17,876 --> 00:12:21,756 Speaker 1: the twenty eight year old seemed so worldly. Maybe he 186 00:12:21,796 --> 00:12:24,836 Speaker 1: could offer her the stability that had eluded her so far. 187 00:12:26,076 --> 00:12:28,876 Speaker 2: I knew I wanted more than you know, living in 188 00:12:28,876 --> 00:12:32,716 Speaker 2: a Mormon foster home. I knew I wanted to be, 189 00:12:32,876 --> 00:12:37,156 Speaker 2: you know, self sufficient. And then I met Mickey and 190 00:12:37,276 --> 00:12:42,636 Speaker 2: fell madly, madly in love and thought, for sure, thought 191 00:12:42,676 --> 00:12:45,316 Speaker 2: for sure I could convince him to give up surfing 192 00:12:46,476 --> 00:12:49,836 Speaker 2: and marry me and have children and work for his 193 00:12:50,156 --> 00:12:52,596 Speaker 2: father and live happily. 194 00:12:52,636 --> 00:13:14,836 Speaker 1: Ever, but Mickey had other plans in mind. What do 195 00:13:14,916 --> 00:13:17,076 Speaker 1: you think Mickey saw on you. 196 00:13:19,036 --> 00:13:26,836 Speaker 2: Innocence? Possibly someone he could manipulate in a way. I 197 00:13:26,956 --> 00:13:30,916 Speaker 2: was a runaway at the time, coming from an abusive family, 198 00:13:32,196 --> 00:13:36,196 Speaker 2: and he kind of took me under his wing, you know, 199 00:13:36,516 --> 00:13:41,716 Speaker 2: somewhat influenced me. He was a big influencer actually, and 200 00:13:42,036 --> 00:13:45,796 Speaker 2: taught me how to protect myself and to fuck the world, 201 00:13:46,076 --> 00:13:50,276 Speaker 2: you know. You know. His big thing to put on 202 00:13:50,316 --> 00:13:54,836 Speaker 2: his board was FTW, which makes me laugh because now 203 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:59,116 Speaker 2: it means for the win, and in those days FGW 204 00:13:59,316 --> 00:14:05,156 Speaker 2: meant fuck the world, you know, question authority. Those are 205 00:14:05,196 --> 00:14:08,116 Speaker 2: the lessons he kept trying to teach me. You know, 206 00:14:08,676 --> 00:14:09,836 Speaker 2: trust no one. 207 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:14,396 Speaker 1: Fuck the world. That was Mickey's credo, the rule he 208 00:14:14,476 --> 00:14:14,956 Speaker 1: lived by. 209 00:14:15,916 --> 00:14:19,196 Speaker 2: Hi thought it was perfect life, you know, until I 210 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:26,876 Speaker 2: realized he was a scoundrel at a road and was 211 00:14:26,956 --> 00:14:30,516 Speaker 2: training me in too, being accountlice. 212 00:14:31,156 --> 00:14:33,916 Speaker 1: By day, Mickey and Diane were living the good life 213 00:14:33,996 --> 00:14:37,276 Speaker 1: in Alice's little house, taking their vitamins and keeping up 214 00:14:37,276 --> 00:14:40,276 Speaker 1: with current events. She'd go to her shop girl job, 215 00:14:40,436 --> 00:14:42,836 Speaker 1: and he'd spend the day in pursuit of his bliss, 216 00:14:43,156 --> 00:14:50,116 Speaker 1: riding waves. It was clean, almost wholesome. Mickey thought the 217 00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:53,916 Speaker 1: best things in life were free empty waves vitamin D. 218 00:14:54,876 --> 00:14:57,116 Speaker 1: But he thought the finest things in life should be 219 00:14:57,196 --> 00:15:02,036 Speaker 1: free too, So at night Mickey and Diane turned into 220 00:15:02,516 --> 00:15:05,396 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde and they hit the town. 221 00:15:06,636 --> 00:15:09,676 Speaker 2: He had a connection at La Scala Restaurant would be 222 00:15:09,996 --> 00:15:17,476 Speaker 2: like Spago today, and his friend would call him with 223 00:15:17,516 --> 00:15:20,396 Speaker 2: the list of all the parties that they were catering 224 00:15:20,716 --> 00:15:24,316 Speaker 2: that weekend in Beverly Hills. I mean parties that I 225 00:15:24,316 --> 00:15:27,916 Speaker 2: would never imagine myself going to. I mean people dripping 226 00:15:27,996 --> 00:15:31,436 Speaker 2: in diamonds, and you know, in those days, even in furs, 227 00:15:32,356 --> 00:15:35,356 Speaker 2: and it was always you know, high end. 228 00:15:36,156 --> 00:15:39,076 Speaker 1: Mickey kept a champagne flute and some Buddley in his car. 229 00:15:39,556 --> 00:15:42,876 Speaker 1: He'd walk into a party backwards, holding his full glass 230 00:15:43,036 --> 00:15:46,116 Speaker 1: as if he fully belonged. He'd also bring a plastic 231 00:15:46,196 --> 00:15:47,716 Speaker 1: bag to fill with extra food. 232 00:15:49,236 --> 00:15:53,756 Speaker 2: And we'd have a list of maybe five or six addresses, 233 00:15:53,996 --> 00:15:56,516 Speaker 2: and then we'd find out from our family what kind 234 00:15:56,556 --> 00:15:59,956 Speaker 2: of food did they say? Hamburgers and hotdogs, it was 235 00:15:59,956 --> 00:16:04,116 Speaker 2: a pool party. If it was you know, caviare and 236 00:16:04,316 --> 00:16:09,036 Speaker 2: salmon crow cats, we were going to wear the beaded dress. 237 00:16:10,196 --> 00:16:12,676 Speaker 1: They'd pull up in one of Mickey's cool cars and 238 00:16:12,756 --> 00:16:15,476 Speaker 1: waltz right in, no questions asked. 239 00:16:16,196 --> 00:16:18,756 Speaker 2: And then we'd go through the shred door like we 240 00:16:18,876 --> 00:16:22,716 Speaker 2: owned the place and schmooze people in the party that 241 00:16:22,796 --> 00:16:23,556 Speaker 2: we didn't know. 242 00:16:24,716 --> 00:16:28,036 Speaker 1: It was a game to them. The subterfuge was thrilling, 243 00:16:28,396 --> 00:16:32,836 Speaker 1: like being in a James Bond movie. Mickey loved James Bond. 244 00:16:33,436 --> 00:16:36,196 Speaker 2: Actually, at parties, it was amazing, where like people would 245 00:16:36,196 --> 00:16:39,356 Speaker 2: always come up to us and start talking. Micky could 246 00:16:39,396 --> 00:16:43,156 Speaker 2: talk to anybody about anything, and we'd get off on it. 247 00:16:43,356 --> 00:16:46,396 Speaker 2: You know, We'd eyeball each other across the room, laughing. 248 00:16:48,076 --> 00:16:51,796 Speaker 2: We were magnets. First I thought there were suspicious of us, 249 00:16:52,396 --> 00:16:54,996 Speaker 2: but then in the end they were just being friendly. 250 00:16:55,836 --> 00:16:59,876 Speaker 1: At every party. Diane worried that get caught, but Mickey 251 00:16:59,916 --> 00:17:03,596 Speaker 1: always felt right at home, rubbing elbows with a listers. 252 00:17:04,796 --> 00:17:09,956 Speaker 2: And we'd circulate. Then we'd talked to people all the time, 253 00:17:10,076 --> 00:17:14,356 Speaker 2: thinking I hope they don't ask who we are. Vicky 254 00:17:14,396 --> 00:17:17,076 Speaker 2: would go and get me a cocktail, you know, and 255 00:17:18,036 --> 00:17:23,836 Speaker 2: we'd walk around the party like we belong. And then 256 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:26,716 Speaker 2: at a certain point, I'd go in the bedroom where 257 00:17:26,716 --> 00:17:30,036 Speaker 2: everybody put their purses and their codes and you know, 258 00:17:31,036 --> 00:17:33,036 Speaker 2: and lay on the bed and pretend I had a 259 00:17:33,076 --> 00:17:37,676 Speaker 2: headache and slip my finger into some purse. Never take 260 00:17:37,716 --> 00:17:43,756 Speaker 2: the money, only the American Express credit card. And then 261 00:17:43,796 --> 00:17:46,356 Speaker 2: as soon as I had the card, I'd walk out 262 00:17:46,396 --> 00:17:48,316 Speaker 2: the cars. I feel so much better, but I think 263 00:17:48,356 --> 00:17:51,676 Speaker 2: I better go home, And I'd say goodbye to all 264 00:17:51,756 --> 00:17:55,196 Speaker 2: of the people that I've been talking to, and we'd 265 00:17:55,276 --> 00:17:57,196 Speaker 2: leave the party. 266 00:17:58,396 --> 00:18:02,116 Speaker 1: Sometimes they'd go to multiple parties in one night, changing 267 00:18:02,156 --> 00:18:03,276 Speaker 1: outfits along the way. 268 00:18:04,076 --> 00:18:07,676 Speaker 2: We've hit a couple, if not three. Each one was 269 00:18:07,796 --> 00:18:13,756 Speaker 2: different and that's what made it fun. We maybe, you know, 270 00:18:13,996 --> 00:18:17,156 Speaker 2: be dressed a real fancy for one party, and then 271 00:18:17,156 --> 00:18:20,636 Speaker 2: maybe we'd run home and change for another party because 272 00:18:20,636 --> 00:18:24,956 Speaker 2: it was all in the neighborhood. And then on Sunday 273 00:18:25,036 --> 00:18:25,996 Speaker 2: we'd go shopping. 274 00:18:30,836 --> 00:18:33,596 Speaker 1: Here's how it worked back then. When a card was 275 00:18:33,676 --> 00:18:36,116 Speaker 1: lost or stolen, the card number went on a physical 276 00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:38,636 Speaker 1: list which went out to retailers. 277 00:18:38,756 --> 00:18:41,756 Speaker 2: This was, you know, early sixties. There were no computers, 278 00:18:42,716 --> 00:18:47,116 Speaker 2: and they would send out a list weekly of the 279 00:18:47,156 --> 00:18:48,476 Speaker 2: credit cards that were hot. 280 00:18:49,556 --> 00:18:51,836 Speaker 1: And because Diane worked at a shop, she had a 281 00:18:51,836 --> 00:18:54,556 Speaker 1: copy of the hot list. She knew when they could 282 00:18:54,556 --> 00:18:57,276 Speaker 1: freely spend on a stolen card and when they had 283 00:18:57,276 --> 00:18:58,116 Speaker 1: to stop. 284 00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:02,076 Speaker 2: And I'd check, and then I'd call Nicky and say, 285 00:19:02,116 --> 00:19:05,996 Speaker 2: don't use this, don't use that, or it's not on 286 00:19:06,036 --> 00:19:08,316 Speaker 2: the list yet, you know, go buy a TV. 287 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,996 Speaker 1: If they were careful, there was almost no way for 288 00:19:13,076 --> 00:19:16,236 Speaker 1: them to get busted unless Diane got caught red handed 289 00:19:16,236 --> 00:19:20,156 Speaker 1: at a party, which she didn't. Mickey convinced her that 290 00:19:20,196 --> 00:19:23,676 Speaker 1: what they were doing wasn't all that bad in their minds. 291 00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:27,316 Speaker 1: It was basically a victimless crime, and I. 292 00:19:27,316 --> 00:19:31,916 Speaker 2: Never got busted because when we'd take the American Express 293 00:19:31,956 --> 00:19:34,356 Speaker 2: card or whatever card it was, we'd only use it 294 00:19:34,396 --> 00:19:37,596 Speaker 2: for a couple of days and then we cut it up, 295 00:19:37,756 --> 00:19:40,036 Speaker 2: and we knew that the only one that we were 296 00:19:40,156 --> 00:19:44,316 Speaker 2: fucking with is the establishment, and that particular person that 297 00:19:44,356 --> 00:19:48,556 Speaker 2: we had stolen it from, whoever that may be, wasn't 298 00:19:48,556 --> 00:19:49,716 Speaker 2: going to get charged. 299 00:19:50,796 --> 00:19:54,916 Speaker 1: So he didn't want to make victims out of these 300 00:19:55,556 --> 00:19:59,076 Speaker 1: fellow partygoers. He wanted to make a victim out of 301 00:19:59,116 --> 00:20:00,596 Speaker 1: the American Express company. 302 00:20:00,356 --> 00:20:03,356 Speaker 2: Or yes it was, you know, fuck the establishment, but 303 00:20:03,436 --> 00:20:09,356 Speaker 2: don't hurt the people unless somebody crossed him. And if 304 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:12,196 Speaker 2: you crossed him, he'd put sugar in your gas, stank, 305 00:20:12,716 --> 00:20:16,236 Speaker 2: blow your car up, you know, or do something silly. 306 00:20:18,756 --> 00:20:23,196 Speaker 1: Why was he so anti establishment and fuck the world? 307 00:20:25,036 --> 00:20:28,556 Speaker 2: I think he was just angry and that was his 308 00:20:28,796 --> 00:20:33,716 Speaker 2: outlet because I really didn't pay much attention to it all. 309 00:20:34,076 --> 00:20:37,556 Speaker 2: I just knew the establishment, we're idiots and we were cool, 310 00:20:38,036 --> 00:20:43,076 Speaker 2: you know. Got to remember I was seventeen eighteen. Wasn't 311 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:46,636 Speaker 2: thinking of those things. I was thinking about what bikini 312 00:20:46,916 --> 00:20:48,356 Speaker 2: was going to wear the next day. 313 00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:53,516 Speaker 1: It was easy money, which Mickey collected with a sneer. 314 00:20:54,476 --> 00:20:57,436 Speaker 1: He had nothing but disdain for his victims, though we'd 315 00:20:57,516 --> 00:21:01,556 Speaker 1: liked their caviar just fine. Hollywood types were an easy 316 00:21:01,596 --> 00:21:05,076 Speaker 1: mark for him. He had already figured that out on 317 00:21:05,156 --> 00:21:08,836 Speaker 1: the beach in Malibu when the Hollywood producers first showed 318 00:21:08,916 --> 00:21:25,756 Speaker 1: up to film the Gidget movie. Micky hated the whole 319 00:21:25,756 --> 00:21:28,956 Speaker 1: Gidget phenomenon, but that did not stop him from working 320 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:31,836 Speaker 1: as a stunt double for Moondoggie in the original Gidget 321 00:21:31,876 --> 00:21:33,516 Speaker 1: movie in nineteen fifty nine. 322 00:21:33,996 --> 00:21:34,596 Speaker 2: Why don't you go. 323 00:21:34,556 --> 00:21:36,876 Speaker 1: Back to your playmates? Oh I haven't even said you 324 00:21:36,956 --> 00:21:39,596 Speaker 1: for saving my life. Okay, so now you have go 325 00:21:39,716 --> 00:21:42,436 Speaker 1: on back to Mama and run, don't walk. 326 00:21:43,916 --> 00:21:46,916 Speaker 2: He hated it, but he liked the money, you know. 327 00:21:47,156 --> 00:21:53,436 Speaker 2: He hated that they were ruining the beaches, but he 328 00:21:53,636 --> 00:21:56,356 Speaker 2: liked the excitement of being in the movies. 329 00:21:58,156 --> 00:22:01,196 Speaker 1: For the next decade, Mickey worked in the Gidget sequels 330 00:22:01,476 --> 00:22:04,036 Speaker 1: and any other teeny bopper beach movie he could get 331 00:22:04,076 --> 00:22:07,716 Speaker 1: himself hired on. He was a stuntman in Gidget Goes 332 00:22:07,756 --> 00:22:15,636 Speaker 1: Hawaiian in nineteen sixty one. Since for Gidget Jane Tachiki. 333 00:22:15,836 --> 00:22:18,756 Speaker 2: Was opportunity for him, and he always wanted to be 334 00:22:18,796 --> 00:22:20,636 Speaker 2: a movie star. I mean, that's why he was the 335 00:22:20,716 --> 00:22:21,676 Speaker 2: King Malibu. 336 00:22:22,356 --> 00:22:25,316 Speaker 1: He went to Hawaii and served twenty foot Waves with 337 00:22:25,396 --> 00:22:29,156 Speaker 1: Greg Knowle for Ride the Wild Surf In nineteen sixty four. 338 00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:36,556 Speaker 1: He was credited as a beach boy in Beach Blanket Bingo, 339 00:22:36,836 --> 00:22:47,316 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixty five Classics starring Frankie Avalon and Annette Funacello. 340 00:22:52,516 --> 00:22:55,996 Speaker 1: That same year, Mickey also appeared in How To Stuff 341 00:22:56,076 --> 00:23:02,836 Speaker 1: a Wild Bikini Wild? It ain't nothing without the stepping. 342 00:23:03,156 --> 00:23:04,916 Speaker 1: How do we stuffing? Easy? 343 00:23:04,996 --> 00:23:05,236 Speaker 2: Man? 344 00:23:05,596 --> 00:23:06,076 Speaker 3: You're just. 345 00:23:09,356 --> 00:23:12,076 Speaker 1: And when Gidget became a TV show, he taught Sally 346 00:23:12,116 --> 00:23:13,156 Speaker 1: Field to surf. 347 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:17,516 Speaker 4: You see before you meet Gidget for fifteen and a 348 00:23:17,556 --> 00:23:18,156 Speaker 4: half years. 349 00:23:18,236 --> 00:23:21,556 Speaker 1: Mickey may have had strong feelings about the exploitation of 350 00:23:21,596 --> 00:23:25,036 Speaker 1: Malibu and surf culture, but he didn't mind doing a 351 00:23:25,036 --> 00:23:26,436 Speaker 1: little exploiting of his own. 352 00:23:27,516 --> 00:23:30,316 Speaker 2: He was making Boku bucks because he was doing a 353 00:23:30,316 --> 00:23:33,036 Speaker 2: lot of stunt work, and that's what messed us up, 354 00:23:33,076 --> 00:23:36,956 Speaker 2: because he started flirting with either the producer's daughter or 355 00:23:36,996 --> 00:23:40,836 Speaker 2: somebody's daughter that had the power to give him more work. 356 00:23:43,396 --> 00:23:46,276 Speaker 1: But even off the film sets on the beach in Malibu, 357 00:23:46,756 --> 00:23:50,396 Speaker 1: Mickey always seemed to be in character. Here's Diane. 358 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:56,316 Speaker 2: He was a much genter, quieter or simple person at home, 359 00:23:56,396 --> 00:23:58,276 Speaker 2: and we had a lot of fun and tried to 360 00:23:58,276 --> 00:24:02,236 Speaker 2: have a healthy, wonderful life. And then when he hit Malibu, 361 00:24:02,476 --> 00:24:05,196 Speaker 2: it was a different story. He was on. 362 00:24:08,156 --> 00:24:12,516 Speaker 1: Was his persona a kind of performance art? 363 00:24:13,316 --> 00:24:15,796 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say it that way, I would think 364 00:24:15,796 --> 00:24:17,956 Speaker 2: that every time he got on a board in Malibu 365 00:24:18,036 --> 00:24:20,676 Speaker 2: it was performance art. 366 00:24:20,156 --> 00:24:22,196 Speaker 1: And maybe also every time he showed up at the 367 00:24:22,196 --> 00:24:23,556 Speaker 1: beach in a leather trench coat. 368 00:24:24,076 --> 00:24:29,436 Speaker 2: Of course, he was always doing something for effect, you know, 369 00:24:29,596 --> 00:24:31,916 Speaker 2: I mean for reaction. 370 00:24:32,676 --> 00:24:34,476 Speaker 1: And he was playing Mickey Dora. 371 00:24:35,036 --> 00:24:40,316 Speaker 2: Exactly, or Chicky Mafin or Big Close sondor you know, 372 00:24:40,676 --> 00:24:43,396 Speaker 2: whatever persona or name he wanted to come up with 373 00:24:43,516 --> 00:24:48,676 Speaker 2: at that time to fit his mood or his protest. 374 00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:53,756 Speaker 1: In the era of the beach blanket bingo type of movies, 375 00:24:54,196 --> 00:24:58,156 Speaker 1: Malibu was basically an open cast and call Mickey made 376 00:24:58,156 --> 00:24:59,916 Speaker 1: sure he was highly visible. 377 00:25:01,276 --> 00:25:05,476 Speaker 2: He got picked to do a surfing double. I guess 378 00:25:05,476 --> 00:25:08,316 Speaker 2: they were producers went on the beach in Malibu and 379 00:25:09,396 --> 00:25:13,676 Speaker 2: picked people to be extras and dancers and stuff like that. 380 00:25:13,756 --> 00:25:17,476 Speaker 2: In these films. He was, you know, a stand in 381 00:25:18,316 --> 00:25:21,676 Speaker 2: surfer for all the big guys in all those movies. 382 00:25:21,796 --> 00:25:26,116 Speaker 2: It was Mickey that was doing the survey. And he 383 00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:28,156 Speaker 2: wanted to be an actor. He would have loved to 384 00:25:28,196 --> 00:25:29,916 Speaker 2: have been an actor, and he probably would have been 385 00:25:29,996 --> 00:25:32,556 Speaker 2: a good one, except he'd always mess up. 386 00:25:33,436 --> 00:25:35,036 Speaker 1: What do you mean by he'd always mess up? 387 00:25:35,636 --> 00:25:39,796 Speaker 2: Oh, he'd pulled some chican again that would piss somebody off, 388 00:25:39,836 --> 00:25:43,036 Speaker 2: and then they'd throw him off the set. There'd be 389 00:25:43,116 --> 00:25:47,116 Speaker 2: a scene of a two spot of people talking and 390 00:25:47,236 --> 00:25:50,236 Speaker 2: Nicky p in the background dancing like a fool, and 391 00:25:50,836 --> 00:25:56,276 Speaker 2: you know, and all the energy went to him. He 392 00:25:56,316 --> 00:26:00,756 Speaker 2: would find a way to steal the spotlight. Should we say? 393 00:26:01,916 --> 00:26:04,836 Speaker 2: He's you know, he's like a child that needed attention 394 00:26:05,156 --> 00:26:08,196 Speaker 2: all the time. And I didn't mind it, you know, 395 00:26:08,316 --> 00:26:11,236 Speaker 2: I was madly in love. He was my mentor, you know, 396 00:26:12,036 --> 00:26:16,036 Speaker 2: my savior. You know. He took care of me, you know, 397 00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:19,596 Speaker 2: and I shaved his back so he could be faster 398 00:26:19,756 --> 00:26:20,356 Speaker 2: than the water. 399 00:26:24,756 --> 00:26:28,396 Speaker 1: Things were not perfect between Diane and Mickey. The power 400 00:26:28,436 --> 00:26:34,636 Speaker 1: differential was enormous. Did he act jealous over you? 401 00:26:35,236 --> 00:26:41,636 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I couldn't talk to other boys. If I went 402 00:26:41,796 --> 00:26:45,196 Speaker 2: somewhere that was party with like his friends, he'd tell 403 00:26:45,276 --> 00:26:48,636 Speaker 2: me to wear my glasses so I wouldn't look so good. 404 00:26:52,116 --> 00:26:58,036 Speaker 1: Uh. They lived together secretly in Alice's little house, but 405 00:26:58,156 --> 00:27:03,316 Speaker 1: Mickey had a whole life outside of Diane. Did he 406 00:27:03,436 --> 00:27:06,396 Speaker 1: have other girlfriends at the same time that you were together. 407 00:27:06,996 --> 00:27:13,396 Speaker 2: I think so. And he was seeing a woman, Cynthia. 408 00:27:13,556 --> 00:27:14,476 Speaker 2: Married women, of. 409 00:27:14,396 --> 00:27:18,756 Speaker 4: Course when you said that he liked to date married 410 00:27:18,756 --> 00:27:23,636 Speaker 4: women because it was a way of kind of you know, 411 00:27:24,076 --> 00:27:24,676 Speaker 4: having a sit. 412 00:27:24,596 --> 00:27:28,676 Speaker 2: It was safe. Yeah, And it was also safe, you know, 413 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:33,276 Speaker 2: he didn't have much commitment, you know, he didn't have 414 00:27:33,356 --> 00:27:36,436 Speaker 2: to worry about it. And the only I think the 415 00:27:36,476 --> 00:27:41,836 Speaker 2: only married woman that I remember was probably Cynthia, and 416 00:27:41,876 --> 00:27:43,916 Speaker 2: he used to just tell me they used to be 417 00:27:44,036 --> 00:27:44,996 Speaker 2: surfers together. 418 00:27:48,596 --> 00:27:50,876 Speaker 4: You didn't believe that was the extent of it. 419 00:27:51,356 --> 00:27:57,436 Speaker 2: Well, actually I did. For a while. I thought I 420 00:27:57,476 --> 00:28:00,476 Speaker 2: had the perfect romance and that you know, he's going 421 00:28:00,516 --> 00:28:05,236 Speaker 2: to eventually give up surfing and get a job that 422 00:28:05,356 --> 00:28:07,676 Speaker 2: his dad would give him. And he didn't hear it. 423 00:28:08,276 --> 00:28:12,716 Speaker 2: The family business and we'd marry and everything was honky Dory. 424 00:28:13,196 --> 00:28:15,996 Speaker 2: And then when I realized everything was just a scam 425 00:28:16,076 --> 00:28:20,036 Speaker 2: and he had all these girlfriends, I said, pass I 426 00:28:20,156 --> 00:28:26,356 Speaker 2: left him. I was too jealous. I mean, I was 427 00:28:26,396 --> 00:28:34,836 Speaker 2: insanely jealous of him. You remember, he's the first one. 428 00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:36,796 Speaker 1: The breakup was vicious. 429 00:28:38,076 --> 00:28:40,556 Speaker 2: I had my car packed with everything that I owned 430 00:28:41,436 --> 00:28:43,676 Speaker 2: and he came home and he said, what are you doing? 431 00:28:43,756 --> 00:28:46,996 Speaker 2: And I'm leaving and he says, you can't leave. What 432 00:28:47,036 --> 00:28:49,196 Speaker 2: are you talking about? You know? And I said I 433 00:28:49,196 --> 00:28:51,676 Speaker 2: don't want to do this, and I'm out of here. 434 00:28:51,676 --> 00:28:58,876 Speaker 2: And I remember driving away, bawling my eyes out, and 435 00:28:58,916 --> 00:29:01,556 Speaker 2: then him checking with me, I don't know about a 436 00:29:01,556 --> 00:29:04,196 Speaker 2: week later, to make sure I was all right, and 437 00:29:04,276 --> 00:29:06,396 Speaker 2: what are you doing? Where are you living? And I 438 00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:11,316 Speaker 2: wouldn't tell him, you know. And then he was worried 439 00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:17,156 Speaker 2: that I would tell people where he lives. And I 440 00:29:17,196 --> 00:29:19,716 Speaker 2: could care less because I was working on a new 441 00:29:19,796 --> 00:29:22,196 Speaker 2: movie and I thought I was going to be a 442 00:29:22,236 --> 00:29:27,316 Speaker 2: big movie star and went to Rome, and oh, you know, 443 00:29:27,396 --> 00:29:34,516 Speaker 2: my whole life changed after that, needless to say, And yeah, 444 00:29:34,556 --> 00:29:35,596 Speaker 2: thank god. 445 00:29:40,636 --> 00:29:43,756 Speaker 1: Diane left Los Angeles and went to Rome to act 446 00:29:43,796 --> 00:29:47,996 Speaker 1: in Felini's Satiricon and a Bunch of spaghetti Westerns. She 447 00:29:48,116 --> 00:29:51,196 Speaker 1: got married happily, and it was a few years before 448 00:29:51,196 --> 00:29:55,196 Speaker 1: she crossed paths with Mickey Dora again. It seemed like 449 00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:57,516 Speaker 1: he was up to his same old tricks. 450 00:29:59,556 --> 00:30:04,316 Speaker 2: When I came back to America, Mickey had contacted me 451 00:30:04,476 --> 00:30:09,036 Speaker 2: for something. I don't know what he wanted. He wanted 452 00:30:09,236 --> 00:30:12,956 Speaker 2: us to go live with him in New Zealand, you know, 453 00:30:13,116 --> 00:30:16,236 Speaker 2: if you wanted to start a commune or some sort 454 00:30:16,236 --> 00:30:22,116 Speaker 2: of life style there, and we'd all, you know, plant vegetables. 455 00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:25,796 Speaker 1: And did you think he was trying to scam you guys? 456 00:30:26,676 --> 00:30:32,436 Speaker 2: Oh, immediately, you know, immediately when he started in talking 457 00:30:32,516 --> 00:30:36,116 Speaker 2: about New Zealand, I thought, uh huh uh huh, No, 458 00:30:36,196 --> 00:30:36,996 Speaker 2: I didn't buy it. 459 00:30:39,436 --> 00:30:42,356 Speaker 1: Toward the end of their relationship, Mickey started to talk 460 00:30:42,396 --> 00:30:46,196 Speaker 1: about leaving Malibu. He was looking for a new wave, 461 00:30:46,956 --> 00:30:50,916 Speaker 1: a perfect, clean wave with nobody else on it, far 462 00:30:50,956 --> 00:30:55,636 Speaker 1: away from Malibu. But to travel he'd need money. 463 00:30:56,596 --> 00:30:59,196 Speaker 2: He wanted to start taking it a step further and 464 00:30:59,316 --> 00:31:02,356 Speaker 2: try and steal airline tickets so you could travel the 465 00:31:02,356 --> 00:31:04,516 Speaker 2: world search of the perfect wave. 466 00:31:06,356 --> 00:31:09,196 Speaker 1: He had tried to enroll Diane. 467 00:31:09,316 --> 00:31:12,476 Speaker 2: I remember going to the airport. I forget like it 468 00:31:12,516 --> 00:31:16,476 Speaker 2: was Burbank or some little airport, and Micky would say, 469 00:31:16,516 --> 00:31:18,596 Speaker 2: now you talk to the guy for a minute and 470 00:31:18,636 --> 00:31:21,196 Speaker 2: see if you can get him to turn away. And 471 00:31:21,236 --> 00:31:24,596 Speaker 2: I'd say, okay, and I talk to the guy about 472 00:31:24,636 --> 00:31:27,396 Speaker 2: you know, there's this flight going blah blah here blah blah. 473 00:31:27,436 --> 00:31:30,556 Speaker 2: And then Nicky had the sleight of hand when it 474 00:31:30,636 --> 00:31:34,316 Speaker 2: came to stealing, and he would reach over the desk 475 00:31:34,436 --> 00:31:37,676 Speaker 2: and take a stack of airline tickets and this is 476 00:31:38,036 --> 00:31:43,676 Speaker 2: again pre computer. Then he would fill them out and 477 00:31:43,876 --> 00:31:46,836 Speaker 2: sell them to Frint, saying, you want to go to 478 00:31:46,876 --> 00:31:49,716 Speaker 2: New Zealand, I can get you a ticket free. You 479 00:31:49,756 --> 00:31:52,396 Speaker 2: want to go to Paris, let me get you a ticket, 480 00:31:52,476 --> 00:31:55,516 Speaker 2: and he would just fill out the tickets, give them 481 00:31:55,516 --> 00:31:57,596 Speaker 2: to the person. The person would give them honey, a 482 00:31:57,676 --> 00:32:01,436 Speaker 2: few hundred dollars and they would go to Paris. It 483 00:32:01,476 --> 00:32:07,636 Speaker 2: would work. And I thought, this doesn't look good. This 484 00:32:07,716 --> 00:32:10,036 Speaker 2: looks like a lot of trouble if we get god. 485 00:32:11,116 --> 00:32:15,716 Speaker 2: You know, this isn't a beaded dress. It was escalating 486 00:32:15,956 --> 00:32:18,876 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to go there. That's when I 487 00:32:19,036 --> 00:32:23,956 Speaker 2: decided I'm not interested in this game anymore. Looked pretty heavy. 488 00:32:26,116 --> 00:32:30,036 Speaker 1: Mickey was expanding his horizons looking to the world beyond 489 00:32:31,076 --> 00:32:36,156 Speaker 1: Malibu was over, he proclaimed. He wrote, quote the thousands 490 00:32:36,196 --> 00:32:40,316 Speaker 1: of other plebeian fruitflies that composed the alleged surfing sub 491 00:32:40,396 --> 00:32:46,516 Speaker 1: subculture are forcing me to seek greener pastures unquote. Soon 492 00:32:46,636 --> 00:32:50,076 Speaker 1: he promised he'd be going into exile. He made a 493 00:32:50,196 --> 00:32:54,196 Speaker 1: huge show of complaining about the rape of Malibu. But 494 00:32:54,316 --> 00:33:00,476 Speaker 1: this was Mickey's upclose magic, a big distraction because even 495 00:33:00,516 --> 00:33:03,956 Speaker 1: as he burnished his reputation as the loan holdout, the 496 00:33:04,076 --> 00:33:09,076 Speaker 1: last purest, he was busily picking the pocket of whoever 497 00:33:09,676 --> 00:33:22,676 Speaker 1: might be listening next time. On Lost Hills, everyone's rustling. 498 00:33:24,076 --> 00:33:27,596 Speaker 3: Everyone wanted everyone else to be successful. Some people were 499 00:33:27,596 --> 00:33:30,196 Speaker 3: showing movies. Some people were selling Hawaiian shirts, some people 500 00:33:30,196 --> 00:33:33,436 Speaker 3: were selling surfboards, some people were selling dope. Nobody wanted 501 00:33:33,476 --> 00:33:34,996 Speaker 3: to work nine to five. Nobody wanted to wear a 502 00:33:34,996 --> 00:33:39,316 Speaker 3: suit and tie. Everybody wanted to live their own life 503 00:33:39,316 --> 00:33:43,236 Speaker 3: and be cool. And at the same time, nobody wanted 504 00:33:43,236 --> 00:33:46,316 Speaker 3: to be poor. And so you know, the trick was 505 00:33:46,356 --> 00:33:48,836 Speaker 3: how do you do that? And the answer was you 506 00:33:48,876 --> 00:33:52,276 Speaker 3: figure out how to make the surfing industry work for you. 507 00:33:53,836 --> 00:33:59,676 Speaker 1: That's next. In episode seven, Misdirection, Lost Hills is written 508 00:33:59,716 --> 00:34:02,956 Speaker 1: and reported by me Dana Goodyear. It's created by me 509 00:34:03,316 --> 00:34:07,116 Speaker 1: and then Adare and produced by Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. 510 00:34:07,916 --> 00:34:10,356 Speaker 1: Subscribe to Pushkin plus US and you can binge the 511 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:14,476 Speaker 1: entire season right now. 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