1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. I talked earlier in the week 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: about hate crimes. Welcome to the Bonus Podcast. By the way, 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: I talked earlier in the week about hate crimes and 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: how the left is very clever. They get everybody to 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: agree hate crimes are bad. Okay, yeah, we all agree 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: hate crimes are bad because we have an idea of 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: what a hate crime is. And then they define your 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: very existence as a hate crime. If you are a 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: white person, if you don't want to expand welfare, hate crime, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: if you want to close the border, hate crime. They 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: use these terms and their newfound power to turn it 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: as a cudgel against anyone who disagrees with their liberal 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: takeover of our country. That's the basis of today's Bonus podcast. 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Investigative journalist and author Tyler O'Neil joined peger u's Marissa 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: Strike for an in depth discussion about one of the 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: most controversial organizations in American politics, the Southern Poverty Law Center. 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: An evil, evil group of monsters. Let me just start 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: by saying that Tyler O'Neill exposes how the SPLC designates 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: mainstream conservative and Christian groups as so called hate groups. 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: How do they do it. They just call them hate groups, 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: and then they show up on lists of hate groups, 22 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: and then the media says they're a hate group. And 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: nobody knows how they got the title, but the SPLC, 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: that's what they do. They designate hate groups, so anybody 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: who disagrees with them, you're a hate group. All the 26 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: while they overlook or really shield and protect far left 27 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: activists like Antifa. Of course they're not a hate group, 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: they just burn down buildings. In their conversation, you're going 29 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: to hear Tyler O'Neill reveal how the Southern Poverty Law Center, 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: they're notorious hate map has not only shaped media narratives, 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: but it's actually influenced government policies. Big tech uses it 32 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: to suppress dissenting voices and in some case, in some 33 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: cases it sparked real world violence. You see, once the SPLC, 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: they're in charge of who's good and who's bad. Once 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: they say you're bad, then technology companies and governments they go, 36 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: oh they're bad. Okay, Well, if they're bad, then they 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: can't be on this site. They can't have opinions here. 38 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: But the investigation goes further taller. O'Neill's doing great work 39 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: He connects the dots between radical activist groups like Antifa 40 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: and the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights, highlighting their involvement 41 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: in anti ice riots in Los Angeles even as they 42 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: receive taxpayer funding. As I've said many times, folks, these 43 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: are very sophisticated, very well funded, very well coordinated efforts 44 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: to destroy our country. None of it is accidental. 45 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Tyler, Welcome to Prager you. 46 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: I am so glad that you reached out to us 47 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: about the SBOC, because I think that it has become 48 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: a very big conversation because the SBLC, the Southern Poverty 49 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: Law Center that claims to fight hate speech, is actually 50 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: a hate watchdog, and it's been attacking Turning Point USA, 51 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: it's been attacking Prager You, and they have a track 52 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: record of causing real damage. And many people have been 53 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: asking me, well, you know, what, do you even care 54 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: about the SBLC. Nobody even cares about them, And so 55 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: I think to understand whether we should even care about 56 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: the SBOC, we need to understand who their partners are 57 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: and what kind of power do they have, and do 58 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: they even have enough power where we should pay attention 59 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: to what the Southern Poverty Law Center thinks or says 60 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: about us. 61 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: Yes, you should be very alarmed. I mean, I think 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: it's important for us. You know, a lot of people say, 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 4: if I'm on the hate map, on the Southern Property 64 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 4: Law Center's hate map, I count that as a badge 65 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: of honor because it shows that I'm doing something. There's 66 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: a little bit of truth to that. But if you 67 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: look at our culture is so bifurcated right now that 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: people on the left, they don't know that the Southern 69 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: Poverty Law Center has no moral credibility. They don't know 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: most of the stuff in my book because they're consciously 71 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: blind to it, and because the left doesn't talk about it, 72 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 4: you know, the legacy media doesn't say, oh yeah, By 73 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 4: the way, the SPLC at a racial discrimination sexual harassment 74 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: scandal in twenty nineteen that led them to fire their 75 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 4: co founder and then unionize, and now they have a 76 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: union union busting scandal. Like all of that, nobody ever 77 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: mentions it, and nobody mentions that a former employee said 78 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 4: that they have this hate for pay scheme where their 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 4: whole goal, their hate accusations are a highly profitable scam 80 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: meant to builk northern liberals by saying Hey, you know, 81 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: there's so much hate in the South. You need to 82 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 4: give us money because we're fighting it. Meanwhile, you know, 83 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 4: there are so many people who when they pass away, 84 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: they say, in lieu of flowers, give money to the 85 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: Southern Poverty Law Center. Every time I see that, it, 86 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, it hurts me. It makes me sad because 87 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: that person is dedicating their memory to an organization that 88 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: is fundamentally corrupt. And we we on the right know this, 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: but on the left they use it all the time 90 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: because it's an effective weapon the silence conservatives. 91 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: What I'd imagine that most of the people that are 92 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: listening in either associate the SPOC with the group that 93 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: sued the KKK and did some great things for civil 94 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: rights in the past, or they are saying, Marissa, why 95 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: are you even talking about the SPLC. Never heard about 96 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: some tiny little nonprofit completely irrelevant? Switched to another video, 97 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: Let me watch something else irrelevant. Right, most people will 98 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 3: think nothing of the SPLC because they're probably unaware of it, 99 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: and they don't realize that the work that the SPLC 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: is impacting every American today, which I would imagine is 101 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: the reason why you decided to dedicate so much time 102 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: studying the SPLC because they are relevantant And how did 103 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: you get into this, Why did you decide to write 104 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 3: a book about the Southern Poverty Law Center. 105 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so there's so many different layers to this. 106 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: First off, I was at the Family Research Council in 107 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 4: the summer of twenty twelve. I was not there when 108 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: the shooting happened, thank god. But I don't know how 109 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 4: many people remember. There was a man who took the 110 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 4: hate map from the Southern Poverty Law Center and used 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 4: it to find the Family Research Council and go in. 112 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 4: He had a bag of Chick fil A Chicken sandwiches 113 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 4: and a semi automatic pistol, and he told the FBI 114 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: his goal was to go to every single person in 115 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: that building and shoot them and smear a Chick fil 116 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: A sandwich in their face. And this was in the 117 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: middle of you know, twenty twelve. Chick fil A had 118 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: gotten there was a controversy about them funding conservative Christian organizations, 119 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: and many people on the left, especially the LGBTQ activists, 120 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 4: they were saying they're funding hate and so this is coming. 121 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 4: This is an anti this is an lgbt hate crime 122 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 4: that was committed that this guy came in. Thankfully that 123 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: the shooting didn't fully take place. There was a brave 124 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: building manager. He's not actually a security guard. He was 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: a building manager who stopped the would be shooter. He 126 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 4: got shot in the arm and it's a lifelong, debilitating injury. 127 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: But thank god that was the only thing that happened, 128 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 4: because this man was planning to kill everyone in the building, 129 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: and he later told the FBI he used the SPLC 130 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 4: map to find and target the Family Research Council. So 131 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 4: when you were put on a map, you know, it 132 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: reminds me a little bit of the the Gabby Giffords 133 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: non scandal, where you know, her congressional district was put 134 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: on a map of political targets and then later they said, oh, 135 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: when she got attacked, it was because of this map. 136 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: There was no connection. In this case, there's a very 137 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 4: clear connection with this SPLC hate map and this terrorist attack. 138 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 4: And to be fair, the SPLC did say immediately after 139 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 4: that that they condemned violence, they didn't want an attack 140 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: like this, but at the same time, they've kept the 141 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: Family Research Council on the map and they've added even 142 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 4: more mainstream conservative and Christian organizations. Ever since and so 143 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 4: that issue, you know, that stood out to me because 144 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: I had I had gone to that very nonprofit and 145 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 4: been sitting in the chairs outside the main the main 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 4: entrance where this shooting happened. And then there were lawsuits. 147 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: In the summer of twenty seventeen, there were about four 148 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 4: different news events that led me to really focus on 149 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 4: the SPLC. One of them was that a charity watchdog 150 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: put it was guide Star put the SPLC hate group 151 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 4: labels on all of the organizations on the hate map. 152 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: So the partner it was another organization. 153 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: Well and they yeah, so this is this is one 154 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 4: of these websites that you will go to to see, 155 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 4: oh is this nonprofit good? Should I give my money 156 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: to this nonprofit? And without going to all of these 157 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: groups that have been smeared by the SPLC, without like 158 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: taking a second to question this, guide Star just puts 159 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 4: hate group SPLC designated hate group on these profiles and 160 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: that led to a lawsuit. Thankfully guide Star took that down. 161 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: But at the same time, Amazon Smile, which Amazon Smile 162 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: may rest in peace, no longer exists. But that was 163 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 4: a program that you would use so that every Amazon 164 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: purchase you made part of that part of the proceeds 165 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: would go to a nonprofit, a charity of your choice. 166 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: They used the SPLC hate map to screen people out 167 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: and that was a big scandal. And then there was 168 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 4: a Muslim reformer by the name of Majid no Oaz 169 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: that the SPLC branded an anti Islamic extremist and he 170 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 4: sued and thankfully, you know, he got a three point 171 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 4: five million dollar settlement. 172 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 2: Was that a defamation that? 173 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: Yes, So the SPLC has faced a lot of defamation 174 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 4: lawsuits and we should probably get into that later. But 175 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: just answering your major question, I saw this organization for 176 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: what it was, and I was constantly you know, ringing, 177 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: you know, shouting from the rooftops about it. Then when 178 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 4: Charlottesville happens, the SPLC, like, first off, the SPLC had 179 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 4: this map of Confederate monuments, and this Confederate monument map 180 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 4: which they put out when people were protesting violently at 181 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: these places. It included high schools, elementary schools, military bases. 182 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 4: And then they warn in the text of the map 183 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 4: they say, and these monuments which have inspired turmoil and 184 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: bloodshd And this is one of the things that the 185 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: SPLC is out there doing while you're having these violent 186 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: protests and people knocking over statues. Now this was happening 187 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen. Then when Charlottesville happened, not only did 188 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: you get huge gifts to the SPLC from Apple, JP Morgan, 189 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 4: I think they gave million dollars. 190 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: For seeing violence for the places around the. 191 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: LC Essentially, I mean they were responding to this is 192 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: the way it is with the left. You have an 193 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: event that the left ties to the right and then says, oh, 194 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: now we need to silence anyone on the right, and 195 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: we need to give to these organizations that are silencing 196 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 4: people on the right. And of course that wasn't that 197 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 4: wasn't the official narrative. The official narrative was hate is 198 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 4: rising in America. We need to give to this organization 199 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: that is constantly following hate, and so they gave a 200 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: lot of money. CNN plastered the hate map on their 201 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: website without any sort of you know, saying that this 202 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: is contested, any sort of negative stuff. And so all 203 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 4: of this happening in twenty seventeen just showed me that 204 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 4: somebody needed to take the SPLC to task. And I 205 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: just got a fire in my belly and throughout the 206 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 4: next few years, as more and more happened, and then 207 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: as the big scandal broke in twenty nineteen, it was 208 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: like a flash in the pan. You know, they fire 209 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: their co founder, the president steps down, one of the 210 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: members of their board steps down because she was she's 211 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 4: she's some big Joscelyn Benson, Secretary of State of Missouri. 212 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 4: She stepped down from the SPLC board in the midst 213 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: of this scandal because it was such a big scandal. 214 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: And then suddenly crickets. The media is like, oh, drat, 215 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: we have to cover the scandal for like half a second, 216 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 4: and then oh, yeah, well, nothing's wrong at the SPLC. 217 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 4: Don't look. You know, nowadays the SPLC is sited in 218 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: the media and nobody even mentions the big scandal in 219 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. And so I'm like, if I didn't have 220 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: enough reason to write a book after twenty seventeen, after 221 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, when the legacy media and the Democratic Party 222 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: tried to shove all of the SPLC skeletons into their closet, 223 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: I felt like I had no choice. 224 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: Well, the book that you wrote about them in twenty 225 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: seventeen is basically like a drama. It's unbelievable. I mean, 226 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: you don't need to watch Netflix, just read the book. 227 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: I mean, you can't make this up, this stuff up, 228 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: and so we'll talk about that, but I really want 229 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: to emphasize the significance of the fact that there is 230 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 3: this massive nonprofit right. They raise over one hundred and 231 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: seventy million dollars a year plus a massive endowment is 232 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: it's probably getting closer to a million. 233 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: It's seven hundred and forty seven hundred and forty million 234 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: dollars in their about a billion dollars. 235 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: So they have just an obscene amount of money. And 236 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: you know, they're not a small thing. You mentioned that 237 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: they're connected with guide Star, and we'll talk about their 238 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: connection to the FBI later on, but they are very, 239 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: very significant, and they create a map and they put 240 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: their adversaries simply people they don't agree with. I mean, 241 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: what does Praguer You do? We make educational videos. So 242 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: they're so threatened by prager used five minute videos that 243 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: they actually have to give out the location of where 244 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: Prager You is headquartered because we're considered a hate group. 245 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: Do people recognize how unbelievably dangerous it is to put 246 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: us in this kind of situation. You mentioned what happened 247 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: with the FRC where they continuously put additional groups on 248 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: their hate map map. Meanwhile, we have is Antifa on 249 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: the SPLC's hate watch. Antifa is literally burnt down our cities. 250 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: We have Los Angeles burning down, supported by several nonprofits Churla. 251 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: Is the SPLC going to put Churla on their hate 252 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: watch map? 253 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm waiting they haven't. So this is the thing. 254 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: You get violence on the left right. The SPLC has 255 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: this map with conservative Christian nonprofits, and then with the KKK, 256 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: and with a few other groups like the Aryan Nations, 257 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: like you know, organizations that barely exist. Then with old 258 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: chapters of the Ku Klux Klan that as far as 259 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: I know, don't really exist anymore, and then conservative groups 260 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 4: that they put on there to suggest that they're in 261 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: league with the Klan. And this is this is the thing. 262 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 4: Like last year they said in their report that the 263 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: hate Map is exposing the infrastructure of white supremacy, and 264 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: this year they said that that turning Point USA is 265 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: all about defending white Christian supremacy. They're always going back 266 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 4: to the language of the clan because they know that 267 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: the point of Their map is to associate their political 268 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: opponents with the hatred with the worst hate group in America. 269 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 4: And so when they put you on that hate map, 270 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: they are comparing you to the clan. They're saying you 271 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 4: are a similar threat. And they were bragging, you know, 272 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 4: in the Biden administration, they were bragging that federal law 273 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 4: enforcement came to them for advice on how to combat 274 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 4: the domestic terror threat. And this is something that they're 275 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: president and CEO Margaret Wong just said to her donors 276 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 4: and said, this is the influence of our impact. And 277 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: you know, they have all of this, all of this 278 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: undue influence. They're a completely scandal ridden organization that is 279 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 4: just out there to silence their political opponents. And right 280 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 4: now they're they're in court. There's a really really strong 281 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 4: defamation lawsuit. I don't know how if I should just 282 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 4: keep going on. But there's this group in Georgia called 283 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 4: the Dustin Imn Society, and there group that opposes the 284 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 4: illegal immigration. They have four I think it is legal 285 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 4: immigrants on their board. They're not anti immigration overall. This 286 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 4: PLC is asked by the Associated Press in twenty eleven 287 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 4: about this group and they say, well, we don't agree 288 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 4: with the dustin in In Society, but they're not a 289 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 4: hate group. Fast forward to twenty eighteen and they put 290 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 4: the dustin in In Society on the hate map right 291 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 4: at the same time as they register a lobbyist to 292 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 4: oppose a bill that the dustin Inman Society supported. So 293 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 4: right now there's a case where it's a strong defamation 294 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: case that made it past not to go too far 295 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 4: in the weeds, But in order to get a defamation 296 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: case to court, you have to clear a multiple hurdles, 297 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 4: and one of the biggest hurdles is getting to discovery. 298 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: They'll file a motion to dismiss. The SPLC is a 299 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 4: slimy legal organization. They know exactly what they can do 300 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 4: to get out of most defamation cases. This was one 301 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 4: of the few defamation cases that even the most brilliant 302 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: lawyers of the SPLC couldn't wiggle their way out of. 303 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 4: Now they're going through documents, they're getting ready for a 304 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 4: trial on this case, and it is going to be 305 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: one of the biggest cases that Americans should be watching. 306 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: You talked a little bit about the scandals that Morris 307 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: d Is, the founder of the SPLC, was involved in 308 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of very bizarre sexual stories, 309 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: things he made his wife do with some of the 310 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 3: employees there. I mean, if people want the graphic stuff, 311 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: they can read your book. 312 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: You talked a little bit about. 313 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: The racism that happened ironically at the SBLC, the way 314 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: they treated people of color, and then ultimately to clean 315 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: up the mess, they brought in Michelle Obama's former chief 316 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 3: of staff, who basically wiped the entire situation under the 317 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 3: rug and just got rid of Morris D's. But do 318 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: you think that the nefarious, bizarre culture within ThEC continues. 319 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 2: It's very bizarre, very very bizarre. 320 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: Yes, so I think some of it is tied directly 321 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: to Morris D's. But there are institutional things of the 322 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: SPLC that really leave you scratching your head, Like why 323 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 4: does an organization that has a seven hundred and forty 324 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: million dollar endowment need offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands. 325 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: Why? 326 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd really love to have the answer 327 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: to that question. I think there's a really good story there. 328 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: The left has unionized nonprofits. This is one of the 329 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: most bizarre things to come out of the scandal is 330 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 4: that the SPLC has its own union, and the union 331 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: is like the internal opposition to the SPLC's own leadership. 332 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 4: So what you get is this, you know, because because 333 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 4: the whole point of a union is to pit employees 334 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: against management. Right, So at a at a nonprofit, you 335 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: should never have a union because when you have a union, 336 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 4: it's the eloyees saying they're not being treated well by 337 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: the management. But when you're at a nonprofit, you believe 338 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: in the mission. That's why you work at a nonprofit. 339 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 4: If you don't believe in the mission, if you don't trust, 340 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 4: leave the leadership. You'll leave because you take a pay 341 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: cut to work at a nonprofit. Theoretically, you you know, 342 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: this is the way nonprofits work. But the SPLC doesn't 343 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: follow those things. The SPLC has its own union, the 344 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: SPLC pays its leadership a lot. And but you know, 345 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: to answer your question, Tina Chen came in and she 346 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: all that happened was Morse D's and Richard Cohen. 347 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: Left and they were old at that point. Anyway, probably 348 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: they would have retired soon. 349 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, And she she still has yet to release the 350 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 4: actual internal report. I don't think where that's ever going 351 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: to see the light of day. So we don't know 352 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: if any of any of that bad culture, any of that, 353 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: you know, rot some of the really disgusting sexual things 354 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: that Morris D's now granted, you know Morset's this was 355 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 4: in a very big divorce case with his ex wife 356 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 4: in the nineteen eighties, and somehow, you know, he stays 357 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: as president of this group. It's because he was such 358 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 4: a brilliant guy in fundraising that his friends were willing 359 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 4: to overlook a great deal. And so these the racial 360 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: discrimination and sexual harassment claims that really hit the fan 361 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, they weren't new. People have been talking 362 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: about these things in the nineteen eighties. They were saying, like, oh, 363 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 4: the SPLC they sued clan groups into bankruptcy. Yes, but 364 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 4: they don't promote their black employees. Their black employees are 365 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 4: staying in the mail room while it's the white employees 366 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 4: who are running everything. And it's like, if you're a 367 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 4: civil rights organization, that might be a black mark on 368 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 4: your record. And that was talked about in the nineties 369 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 4: and then nothing happened, and only in twenty nineteen did 370 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: something really happen. Now, think there was a revolt among 371 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 4: the staff, but that revolt among the staff seems to 372 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 4: have petered out. I mean last year we had they 373 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 4: had layoffs. And one of the interesting things about this 374 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: most recent adding prager you and turning point to the 375 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: hate map, it comes after layoffs last year where you know, 376 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: the SPLC was accused of union busting because they got 377 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 4: rid of a lot of people who are high up 378 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 4: in the SPLC union. But I think they got rid 379 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 4: of the staff who made some of the more cunning 380 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: and you know, more ideologically consistent decisions about the hate map, 381 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: because there are some really big mistakes in this hate 382 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 4: map that like they just released it last month, and 383 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: normally when they release a hate map, they they have 384 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 4: done in the past where they say, oh, the number 385 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: of hate groups didn't increase, but hate is worse now 386 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: because it's in the White House now that that's essentially 387 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 4: what they said, and they're they're always saying, oh, Trump 388 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: is hateful, as organizations advising him are hateful. They're on 389 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: the hate map because they hate immigrants, they hate LGBTQ people, 390 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: they hate YadA, YadA, YadA. Really they're on the map 391 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: because they disagree with the SPLC's agenda. I mean the 392 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 4: SPLC and we should get into this too. They are 393 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: far off the edge of the map when it comes 394 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: to transgender stuff, when it comes to race baiting, when 395 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: they're using critical race theory to say that there's inherent 396 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: structural racism to everything, they will apply this racist lens 397 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: and then connect it to every issue under the sun. 398 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 4: I mean, you've covered intersectionality. 399 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: Aline, right, Well, this is this whole intersectionality thing is 400 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: to become one of the things that I think Americans 401 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: really need to understand, because when they don't understand this, 402 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: like you know, from the River to the Sea, Free 403 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: Palestine commentary and people with cafias walking around in the 404 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 3: meantime while rioting and an anti ice riot in Los Angeles, 405 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 3: combined with BLM and groups like the SPLC and frankly 406 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: BLM and really also the Anti Defamation League the ADL, 407 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: what they will do is they will prey on people's 408 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 3: natural concerns and fears, the good hearted people who really 409 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: don't want anti semitism, don't want racism, and they'll use 410 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: this language of saying, we're going to help you avoid 411 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: horrible things in our society. But in order for the 412 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: SPLC and the BLM and ADL to thrive, they need 413 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: to manufacture more of it, and that is essentially what 414 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 3: we're doing. So that's when you see these hired people 415 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: who are dressed up as you know KKK members or 416 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 3: or you know, supposed anti Semites. Ironically the same day 417 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 3: are these are the ones who are you know, rioting 418 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 3: and these pro Palestine anti Semitic riots, right, And so 419 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: it's this bizarre convolution that I think people are just 420 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: kind of waking up to and they are saying, well, well, 421 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: what's going on here? And the short answer to it 422 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: is intersectionality. 423 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: Right. It's this oppressor versus the oppressed. The West is bad, 424 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 2: the successful is bad. 425 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: The oppressed the the underdog is always on the right 426 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: and therefore, by all means necessary, including violence, real violence, 427 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: there they must correct things. 428 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: What what I don't understand is. 429 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: You look at the riots in Los Angeles and you 430 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: know that organizations like the SPOC, maybe not the SPLC directly, 431 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: but again we talked about CHURLA and you know the SEIU, 432 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 3: which you can explain that organization. And you know, even 433 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 3: Becky Pringle, who runs one of the largest teachers unions 434 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: in America, is goading people on and basically saying fight 435 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: against ice. 436 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: What are they trying to do? And like, really, what 437 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 2: are they trying to do? 438 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 3: Is this You're going to help immigrants by by showing 439 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 3: us that they're violent. I mean, the mom and dad 440 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles is sitting at home and watching these 441 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 3: videos and they're seeing the messaging that you have a 442 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: bunch of riots and destruction in Los Angeles and they 443 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: are associating that with the immigrants. So how are these 444 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 3: nonprofits that are supposed to hate help fight against hate? 445 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: How are they helping these people? Becky Pringle and Churla 446 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 3: and the SEIU, if they really wanted to help these immigrants, 447 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: they would help the messaging be. 448 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 5: We are peaceful, and we are we are supportive, and 449 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 5: we're respectful and we're But instead, what are they teaching 450 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 5: them to do to show Americans that they're actually violent? 451 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: How is that helping them? 452 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: Well? 453 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: And they should be waving American flags instead of waving 454 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: Mexican flags. I don't I don't understand. So I think 455 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 4: part of me thinks this is all a strategy to 456 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 4: keep the woke stranglehold on the Democratic Party, because right now, 457 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 4: you know, the Democratic Party, some people are realizing, wait, 458 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 4: maybe these this woke ideology doesn't fit with the American people. Maybe, 459 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 4: you know, Trump won for a reason in November, and 460 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 4: maybe we need to cool it with some of the 461 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: men and women's sports and some of this, you know, intersectionality, 462 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: Like maybe Americans don't like the idea, get this. Maybe 463 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 4: black parents don't like their kids being told in school 464 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: that they are inherently oppressed because of their skin color. 465 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: Maybe Asian parents don't like it when they're being discriminated again, 466 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 4: when their kids are being discriminated against because of the 467 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: color of their skin when they happen to do better 468 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 4: in school and then they're kept out by quotas. Like, 469 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 4: maybe this is not popular. But there are a lot 470 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 4: of people the Democratic Party who started coming together after 471 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: the election and said let's get rid of this. And 472 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 4: there was a report that said we need to listen 473 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 4: less to these nonprofits that are ideologically policing us and 474 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 4: pushing us to the left's orthodoxy. Well, that report happened, 475 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: and the DNC didn't come out and championed that report. 476 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: The DNC acted like it didn't exist, and just like. 477 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: The riots don't exist in Los Angeles exactly. 478 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 4: But I think what's happening here is the activist groups 479 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 4: that called the shots and the Biden administration, because we 480 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: all know Biden was largely a figurehead. My book The 481 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 4: Woke to Us, the Dark Money Cabal Manipulating the Federal 482 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: Government lays out how these NGOs staffed and advised the 483 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 4: Biden administration, put their tentacles into every policy that he 484 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: had and one of the main reasons the border was 485 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 4: wide open was because they demanded it. And so now 486 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 4: when Trump is trying to get these people out, when 487 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 4: Trump is Trump is starting with the lowest, low hanging fruit. 488 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 4: You know, we're talking gang members, criminals, people convicted. I 489 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: was going through the list of the people that ICE 490 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 4: was arresting here in Los Angeles, and it's the people 491 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: who've already been convicted of murder and rape. And you know, 492 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: like this is this should not be controversial, and yet 493 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 4: we're having people throw themselves in front of ICE cars 494 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: and throw rocks at ICE officers trying to prevent people 495 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 4: from getting arrested. When these are the worst of the worst. 496 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: And I think these NGOs they want, they want, for 497 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: lack of a better term, the invasion to continue because 498 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 4: it helps them and they want to have in America 499 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 4: where you have this settled lower class that's always going 500 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 4: to vote for the Democrats, because as they see the 501 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 4: Democrats as their saviors. That's not really how it works. 502 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: I think we all know that many Hispanic people are 503 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 4: waking up and voting with the Republican Party because most 504 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: of those, like the people I grew up with in Colorado, 505 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 4: were legal Mexican immigrants to the United States who love 506 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 4: this country, want the border to be closed. They want 507 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: the good immigrants to come here. They don't want just anybody, 508 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: and they feel insulted when somebody crosses that border illegally 509 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 4: and then gets government benefits. 510 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: Okay, can you correct me if I'm wrong, because this 511 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 3: thing is so mind boggling that it's almost hard for 512 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: even me to believe in just when you think you've 513 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 3: seen it all. So CHURLA is the nonprofit organization that 514 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: organized the anti Ice riots in Los Angeles. Is it 515 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: true that CHURLA received government funding both from the federal 516 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 3: and from the state. We are paying for an anti 517 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: ice riot. 518 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: The Department of Homeland Security? Is this? I mean it, 519 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is just insane. 520 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 4: It gets worse. Yes, because the money. So the answer 521 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: to your question is yes, now we don't know, for 522 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: it's not one hundred percent proven that they orchestrated the protests. 523 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 4: They've been on the ground organizing protests against ICE for 524 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 4: a while, and now that these protests are getting violent, 525 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: they're saying, we didn't organize this protest. And they've said that. Meanwhile, 526 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 4: you know, I've been talking with sources in the government 527 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 4: who are saying, like, well, we they won't come out 528 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: and say to me specifically that they have concrete proof 529 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 4: that this group organized it, but they know the people 530 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 4: on the ground who are doing these things, and they're like, well, 531 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 4: this claim doesn't pass muster. And this organization was granted 532 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 4: it's about seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in the 533 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 4: Biden administration of your tax dollars through the Department of 534 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 4: Homeland Security, the very agency that they are now organizing 535 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: people to oppose was giving them money because they were 536 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 4: supposedly helping immigrants assimilate to the United States. So this 537 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 4: is the way that the LEFS NGO apparatus, and there's 538 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 4: this is the story that happens over and over and 539 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 4: over again in the Biden administration. All you have to 540 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 4: do is follow the money and it's not that hard. 541 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 4: But like I traced, so one of my recent stories 542 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 4: was a woman who worked at this organization called the 543 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: Solidarity Center. They promote labor unions across the world, and 544 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 4: she worked at the Solidarity Center for I think it 545 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 4: was about fifteen years. She goes to work at the 546 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 4: Department of Labor under Biden. In her time at the 547 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 4: Department of Labor, so she went not just to the 548 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: Department of Labor too, but to a specific bureau that 549 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 4: funded the Solidarity Center that during the Trump administration gave 550 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 4: the Solidarity Center ten million dollars. But after she joined, 551 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 4: that bureau gave the Solidarity Center fifty four million dollars. 552 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 4: And this is the story over and over again in 553 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 4: the Biden White House. Not only was it a revolving door, 554 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 4: but it was also they were shoveling money to these 555 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 4: nonprofits that propped up their interests and their ideology. 556 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: And went after their opponents, their political opponents too. Do 557 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 3: you think the Southern Poverty Law Center, the SBOC received 558 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 3: money from the US government as well. 559 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 4: So I haven't found any money from the US government 560 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 4: to the Southern Poverty Law Center. But I think it's 561 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 4: very important to note they had a lot of impact 562 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 4: in the Biden administration. So Margaret Wong bragged about being 563 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 4: brought in to advise on domestic terrorism. They had meetings 564 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 4: with the Department of Justice, the Department of Education. They 565 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 4: also met with Kristin Clark, who was the head of 566 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: the Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice. She's 567 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: the woman who brought charges against peaceful pro life protesters 568 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 4: using a law that she wouldn't use to defend pregnancy centers. 569 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 4: So this is complicated issues. Called the Face Act. It 570 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 4: should protect pregnancy centers and abortion clinics. That's the way 571 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 4: it was written, That's the way the DOJ is said 572 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 4: and applies. When you had all this violence against pregnancy 573 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 4: centers after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. There, I 574 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 4: think there was like one or two cases that her 575 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 4: department brought, most of them just Scott Free nothing. And 576 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 4: then there are a lot of cases like the situation 577 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 4: with Mark Hook, where local law enforcement looked into the 578 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 4: matter and said he didn't do anything wrong, we're not 579 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: pressing charges. She comes in and says he's a conservative 580 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 4: protesting abortion. We're going to throw the book at him. 581 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 4: And anyway, this situation happened over and over again, and 582 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 4: the SPLC was meeting with her. But the SPLC also 583 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 4: was the force behind the anti Catholic memo. I think 584 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 4: you might remember in twenty twenty three, the FBI Richmond, 585 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 4: FBI had this memo and it said that radical traditional 586 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 4: Catholics are a threat to America and FBI agents need 587 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 4: to develop sources and infiltrate these churches and find where 588 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 4: these threats might be because they are a threat to 589 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 4: our country. And the source that they used for this 590 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 4: memo was the Southern Poverty Law Center and it was 591 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 4: a list of radical traditional Catholic hate groups that hadn't 592 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 4: been updated for something like ten years. And I talked 593 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 4: to some of the people on this list because I 594 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 4: was curious, and they said, oh, yeah, well, that organization 595 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 4: on the list doesn't exist. That organization is a bunch 596 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 4: of nuns and a convent likes. It's insane. This list 597 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 4: that the FBI was using. But the FBI was using it, 598 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 4: and we have now learned that this list went out 599 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 4: to a thousand FBI agents and they didn't do anything. 600 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 4: They didn't complain like there were there was one or 601 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 4: two FBI agents who sent emails to each other saying, 602 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 4: I'm concerned about this, why are we at the beck 603 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 4: and call of the Southern Poverty Law Center? But not 604 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 4: a single of those thousand FBI agents and staff who 605 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 4: received this memo made even a peep to the Richmond 606 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 4: office when they got this memo, which really suggests that 607 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 4: the conservative the anti conservative bias of the FBI is 608 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 4: way bigger than you think it is. 609 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we talked a lot about the Southern 610 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 3: Poverty Law Center, but once you start understanding the SBOC, 611 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 3: you start understanding all the other groups that work in 612 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 3: tandem with them, like as I mentioned, the teachers' unions, 613 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 3: et cetera. And so this is this chart that I 614 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: guess you put together that helps illustrate and it's it's 615 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 3: it's very complex and very convoluted. Maybe you can explain 616 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 3: just what was your vision and why should people be 617 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: aware of this intricate web of really the backbone of 618 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 3: trying to take down what America is about? Right, I mean, 619 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 3: these are all these groups that just don't believe in 620 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 3: the American DNA. 621 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so this chart is all of my research for 622 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 4: the Woke to pus my second book in one graphic, 623 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 4: And I'm not sure what the best way to do 624 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 4: this is. Maybe maybe I'll just so the top level 625 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 4: is mostly funders, people that have the money that they 626 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 4: send in. The second level is funders who also influence 627 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 4: the government. The third level are five major campaigns of 628 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 4: different groups that work together to push one particular agenda. 629 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 4: And then the bottom is all the agencies where they 630 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 4: sent their staff and their ideas through the federal government. 631 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 3: So what would be like key issues that they take on, 632 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 3: which I guess is their way to just push this 633 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 3: intersectionality concept and bring together groups to get mobilized. 634 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: Right, that's what it is. 635 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 3: They find these five issues that they think can mobilize 636 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 3: their audiences. 637 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, so the organizing principle that I have here 638 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 4: is my definition of woke, which in the way I 639 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 4: describe it is it's a comprehensive worldview that brings together 640 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 4: critical race theory, climate alarmism, gender ideology, and a preference 641 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 4: for technocratic government. And so all of those are kind 642 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 4: of jargoning terms, but critical race theory and the others 643 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 4: are what you describe as you know, intersectionality. This is 644 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 4: the idea that there's oppressors and oppressed, and the oppressed 645 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 4: are black people, immigrants, women, LGBT, et cetera, et cetera. 646 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 4: Climate alarmism which they use to justify sending a lot 647 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: of money to their cronies and to scare people into 648 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 4: them having power. Climate alarmism is a fundamental aspect because 649 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 4: it's a really useful tool for them. It's just like 650 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 4: when the SPLC releases their map and says hate is increasing, 651 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: give us money. Climate alarmism operates on the premise that 652 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 4: when you drive your car, you're destroying the earth, and 653 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 4: therefore you should feel guilty and you need to keep 654 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 4: us in power because we're going to create a new 655 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 4: carbon free economy. Meanwhile, what that means in practice is 656 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 4: John Podesta, who is the co founder of the Center 657 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 4: for American Progress and the head of Hillary Clinton's campaign. 658 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 4: He was put in charge of sending all the money, 659 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 4: all the green money in the Inflation Reduction Act to 660 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 4: all of you. 661 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 3: Know, right, it's something you can't The environmentalism religion is 662 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 3: something you can't ever measure. You just throw more and 663 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 3: more money at it, and you just like claim that 664 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 3: it's working, right, and so why is anti Israel pressure 665 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 3: such a big part of their agenda. 666 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an excellent question. So it seems like it 667 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 4: doesn't fit it. 668 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 3: Just yeah, it just seems like another country on the 669 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 3: other side of the planet. 670 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: Teeny. I don't understand why it's an issue. 671 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 4: But it aligns with their narrative that Muslims are oppressed, 672 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 4: and their narrative that Muslims are, you know, essentially like 673 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 4: a black religion. They they bring things together. So if 674 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 4: you look at the rhetoric around Palestine and Palestine, it's 675 00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 4: always that these poor, oppressed minorities are being forced down 676 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,720 Speaker 4: by white European colonizers. And it's really interesting to see, 677 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 4: you know, Jewish people, those who were the most oppressed 678 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 4: throughout history, being described as oppressors and colonizers when you know, 679 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,959 Speaker 4: and when they came into Israel, Israel was just one 680 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 4: part of the Ottoman Empire and then the British mandate 681 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 4: for and it was like there there wasn't an identity 682 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,840 Speaker 4: of Palestinian. This was just one part of a broad empire. 683 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 4: And a lot of these people are Arab they're not, 684 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 4: you know, and and they're part of the Islamic world 685 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 4: and so when they they created and the history of 686 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 4: Israel is they created this perpetual grievance, and they named 687 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 4: it Palestine, and they named it using the Roman word 688 00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 4: that was slapped on the land to erase Israel from 689 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,359 Speaker 4: the map. Like this is a very long standing fight 690 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 4: between the Israelis, the Jews and those who would kick 691 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 4: them off this land. And when you hear from the 692 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 4: river to the sea Palestine will be free. That is 693 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 4: called a wipe Israel off the face of the earth 694 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 4: and say that the Jewish people. 695 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 3: All people buy into it because there's one Jewish country 696 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 3: and more than fifty Muslim countries. So this idea that yes, 697 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 3: Israel is the one who was oppressing all these other 698 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 3: Muslim countries where there's barely one teeny little Jewish country. 699 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 3: But why in America is this such a big thing 700 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 3: for these NGOs. Why would the SPLC get behind this stuff. 701 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 3: Why is the SPLC representing care right now, which is 702 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 3: basically associated with the Palestinian Liberation Group. Wasn't the founder 703 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: Jewish or one of the founders Jewish, The found one 704 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 3: of the founders of the SPLC is Jewish. I just 705 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 3: I just don't understand, like this the connection between the 706 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 3: SBOC and CARE and the riots in Los Angeles. Is 707 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 3: there some devarious group that is orchestrating Is this what 708 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 3: you've come up with here where you basically say they're 709 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 3: creating all these oppressor narratives in order to accomplish what? 710 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 3: What are they trying to accomplish with this bizarre web 711 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,240 Speaker 3: of NGOs and their entanglement with unions and government. 712 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 2: What's their end goal? 713 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 4: It's power, It's destabilization of the America that we know 714 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 4: that we grew up with, of our constitution, of our values, 715 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 4: and the creation of an entirely different kind of America 716 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 4: that pushes their ideolg communism and this is well, you 717 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 4: could name you could name it communism. I think they 718 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 4: would balk at that. But the important thing here is 719 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 4: that it is a separate worldview. It's a different way 720 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 4: of looking at the world. And we're going through right 721 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 4: now in the West, something similar to what happened in 722 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 4: the Protestant Reformation and the wars of religion. Afterward, we 723 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 4: have the ideology, you know, the faith of America, the 724 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 4: faith of our fathers, where we believe in the goodness 725 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 4: of our country, we believe in free markets, we believe 726 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 4: in the constitution, limited government, and there's this totally different 727 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 4: worldview based on intersectionality, based on this call for social 728 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 4: justice that has a lot of moral force, but it's 729 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 4: ripped away from the truths of our history. It's ripped 730 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 4: away from the things that actually make America great. 731 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 3: Right well, our Department of Education in every state is 732 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 3: not focused on teaching these things. They're focused on teaching 733 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 3: the opposite. And much of the funding comes from the 734 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 3: federal Department of Education, which hopefully will be shut down something. 735 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 4: The rot is everywhere every that That's why, like I 736 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 4: describe myself as an unlikely populist because I want to 737 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,320 Speaker 4: trust institutions, but institution after institution after institution is proven 738 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 4: all of the corrupt, and they've been infiltrated. This is 739 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 4: like we think we won the Cold War. I'm looking 740 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 4: back at the Red Scare and I'm saying, I don't 741 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 4: know how much we won because the USSR is no 742 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 4: longer a thing, but the communist ideology and it's not 743 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 4: it's not communism today, they're not they're not waiving the 744 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 4: This isn't a Bolshevik revolution. This is something completely changed 745 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 4: for our times and rebranded over and over and over. 746 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 4: Every single NGO on the left is an attempt to 747 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,200 Speaker 4: rebrand this revolution and make it stick this time. This 748 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 4: is the time, and the SPLC is standing in the 749 00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,560 Speaker 4: wings trying to prevent anyone from stopping it. What do 750 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 4: you think we can do about this? 751 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 3: Because it's hard to walk out of this conversation not 752 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 3: overwhelmed and not feeling, you know, a sense of despair 753 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 3: when we talk about how all these NGOs have mooched 754 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 3: off our government and have associated themselves with every element 755 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 3: of our lives. 756 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 2: What can we do about it? 757 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's an excellent question. I'd be remiss if 758 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,240 Speaker 4: I didn't say that my books are useful resource making 759 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 4: hate pay, the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center, 760 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 4: and the woke to Post, the dark money cabal manipulating 761 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 4: the federal government. I think the way that Americans can 762 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 4: engage with this though, you have more power than you realize, 763 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 4: and I think we all need to take courage by 764 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 4: the fact that Trump did win his election. I mean, 765 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 4: this was one of the most historic elections we've seen 766 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 4: in our lifetimes. We had a guy, you know, the 767 00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 4: first former president to face federal charges, the first know, 768 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 4: he got an assassination attempt on the on the campaign trail. 769 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 4: Someone tried to take him out because the left had 770 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 4: constantly been spreading hatred of him for so long. Yeah, 771 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 4: and and and we saw a guy resonate with the 772 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 4: American people and thumb his nose at this ideology that 773 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 4: was the thing over and over again. One of the 774 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 4: main reasons he won was because he was saying, I'm 775 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is for they them, I'm for you. That resonated. 776 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 4: And I think Americans need to realize there are more 777 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 4: of us who believe in common sense than you think. 778 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 4: And if you speak up and if we make a stink, 779 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 4: you know, I'm seeing company after company after company dropped 780 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 4: their DEI statements. 781 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 2: Right now, big victory. 782 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that is But I think we 783 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 4: have to hold them to the fire continually because this 784 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,920 Speaker 4: moment is not going to last forever. And they only 785 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 4: went for DEI because they thought it was the hip thing. 786 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 4: Now we see they're leaving it, which is great, But 787 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 4: we have to constantly say, like, when you're raising your kids, 788 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 4: teach them the values of America. When you're you know, 789 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 4: when you're in the marketplace, I think there are companies 790 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 4: out there that need to hear that the SPLC is 791 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 4: not reliable. There are companies that are using the SPLC 792 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 4: even now, Like there's event right, there's Airbnb that said 793 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 4: they use the SPLC. We need to be asking them, 794 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 4: do you really think this is an organization worth Like 795 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 4: this year alone, the SPLC put the largest conservative grassroots 796 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 4: youth organization on their hate map, with chapters of the Clan. 797 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 4: They put breaker View, which makes five minute videos, on 798 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,920 Speaker 4: the hate map with chapters of the Klan. They put 799 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 4: Focus on the Family, which is the most mainstream conservative 800 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 4: Christian nonprofit, like it just defined Christian nonprofits in the 801 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 4: nineteen nineties. 802 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to do this. 803 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,719 Speaker 3: I'm going to check every company I shop with and 804 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,920 Speaker 3: I'm going to see if they're associated with the SPLC, 805 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 3: and if they are, I'm going to complain. And I'm 806 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,240 Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to shop with companies 807 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 3: that are associated with this group. This group is ruining 808 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 3: our country. We should's that's the first step, but that's 809 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 3: something we could do. 810 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a really big important step to make. 811 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 4: And then we have to say we have to let 812 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 4: you can't let democrats off the hook when they're citing 813 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 4: this group they need to hear. And when your local newspaper, 814 00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 4: when whatever newspaper you read is citing the SPLC and 815 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 4: doesn't have you know, Like the AP recently ran an 816 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 4: article about the SPLC's hate map. They mentioned that conservatives 817 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 4: criticize the SPLC, but they never mentioned any of the scandals. 818 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 4: They never mentioned anything that actually undermines the SPLC's credibility. 819 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,319 Speaker 4: Write a letter to the editor. Each of us has 820 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 4: a lot more power than we realize, and if we 821 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 4: push back, we can win. 822 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 3: Well, I learned a lot of new things from you, 823 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 3: but I really appreciate that I can walk out of 824 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 3: this conversation with something tangible that I can do about 825 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,040 Speaker 3: this problem. So thank you, Thank you for coming on, 826 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,960 Speaker 3: thank you for reaching out, and keep up the great work. 827 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,919 Speaker 3: And everybody can read your book and follow your work. 828 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 3: I know that you're also on social media. What are 829 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:27,280 Speaker 3: your handles? 830 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 4: Yes, it's Tyler too, the number two O'Neil, both on 831 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,240 Speaker 4: truth social and on acts, the platform formerly known as Twitter. 832 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 4: The Daily Signal is on YouTube, Instagram, every place except 833 00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 4: TikTok pretty much where we take no truck with the 834 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 4: Chinese Communist Party. 835 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to have a conversation about that another time, 836 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 3: but for now. 837 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,760 Speaker 2: Thank you and bless you for your work. 838 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 4: Thank you again so much for having me. 839 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: Your life The Michael Berry Show in podcast. 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