Speaker 1: Hey, Betrayal fans, I have exciting news to share. Season
Speaker 1: three of Betrayal is now a docu series on Hulu.
Speaker 1: It's the gripping story of Stacy Tyler and the doctor
Speaker 1: who betrayed them. See the voices you've come to know
Speaker 1: in Betrayal Under His Eye, streaming now on Hulu. Now
Speaker 1: here's a discussion with the people who made that happen.
Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm back today with John Hirsch, the executive
Speaker 1: producer and director of Betrayal, the docuseries.
Speaker 2: Hi, Dre, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: It's great to be back here with your audience and
Speaker 3: really excited about today's episode because we have two of
Speaker 3: our amazing colleagues from ABC News Studio here with us,
Speaker 3: Muriel Pearson and Mike Kelly. Hi, guys, but why don't
Speaker 3: you go ahead and introduce yourselves to our audience and
Speaker 3: also to the host of Betrayal, Andrea Gunning.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so nice to meet you guys.
Speaker 4: Hey, Andrea, it's nice to see you. I'm Mike Kelly,
Speaker 4: I leave the team here at ABC News.
Speaker 5: Studios, and Andrea, I'm Muriel Pearson. I'm the executive producer
Speaker 5: in the ABC News Studios. I he's been working valiantly
Speaker 5: with John on this this amazing series.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you for all you do. I hear
Speaker 1: your names all the time. Obviously, I'm super involved in
Speaker 1: the creative and like everything that goes in on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but I'm mostly on set in doing like interviews for
Speaker 1: the TV shows, so I don't get a lot of
Speaker 1: the posts and like, so I don't really get to
Speaker 1: see you guys. So it's really nice to spend this time,
Speaker 1: and I really am appreciative. I have a ton of
Speaker 1: questions because we've never really chatted before. If you guys
Speaker 1: don't mind, I would love to just dive in.
Speaker 4: Let's jump in.
Speaker 1: So I'm so curious. I mean, I obviously love Betrayal.
Speaker 1: I'm Betrayal all the way.
Speaker 2: But where did the.
Speaker 1: Initial idea to turn the podcast into the docu series
Speaker 1: come from? Like, how did that start?
Speaker 4: Well, we have we have a small team of people
Speaker 4: focused on developing new ideas and they're like constantly scouring
Speaker 4: the marketplace for IP that resonates with audience, and so
Speaker 4: it didn't take a lot of investigating for them to
Speaker 4: find Betrayal podcasts because it was so huge out of
Speaker 4: the gate, right, big gigantic hit, and then you know
Speaker 4: around that time that our team sort of found betrayal
Speaker 4: as fans. I think the Glass team came and had
Speaker 4: a general introduction with us, and we quickly decided there's
Speaker 4: a real partnership that be had here, and so, you know,
Speaker 4: after a bunch of conversations, decided to say, yeah, let's
Speaker 4: adapt this into a television program.
Speaker 1: How do you guys know when a podcast has the
Speaker 1: potential to be a successful TV series.
Speaker 4: I think if a podcast is successful in its own right,
Speaker 4: it's obvious that there's interest in the story, but not
Speaker 4: every podcast automatically lends itself to visual or television adaptation right.
Speaker 4: To be successful on TV, just like a podcast, you
Speaker 4: need an amazing story first and foremost, but you also
Speaker 4: need characters that are visually compelling. You need an archive
Speaker 4: to bring the history and the background of the story
Speaker 4: to life, and if it's true crime, you need kind
Speaker 4: of the police force, the investigative team to help bring
Speaker 4: that side of the story to life too. You know,
Speaker 4: sometimes people are only willing to participate in the audio
Speaker 4: format and are not willing to appear on cameras, so
Speaker 4: you have to have that piece too. So it's all
Speaker 4: those different pieces have to come together to turn a
Speaker 4: really successful audio story into great television. There's probably the
Speaker 4: other things that Miel or John could add.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna actually speak specifically to betrayal, Drea, because
Speaker 5: there is no question that this topic we instantly recognized
Speaker 5: would be have an incredible resonance with our audience. You know,
Speaker 5: a lot of the people who are in our audience.
Speaker 5: I mean, we look at the demos and it's a
Speaker 5: predominantly female audience, and this idea of trust broken, of
Speaker 5: double lives, of a betrayal of what there's the most
Speaker 5: intimate thing that you could possibly imagine, is incredibly appealing
Speaker 5: to that audience because you know, people look at these
Speaker 5: stories and they try and see parallels with their own lives,
Speaker 5: and I think particularly with betrayal, and you know this
Speaker 5: because of the podcast, people have resonance with this because
Speaker 5: this has happened to them and the many, many women
Speaker 5: that you guys have profiled and the ones that we've
Speaker 5: profiled here. I mean, the response that we get is
Speaker 5: that emotional response to how do other people respond to
Speaker 5: this thing that honestly, they sometimes think they're all alone
Speaker 5: in that they alone have been betrayed and that there's
Speaker 5: a kind of comfort in knowing that you're not alone
Speaker 5: and to share that experience. So we knew that from
Speaker 5: the beginning with Betrayal that it would be successful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that really speaks to the community that's developed over
Speaker 3: the last several years as betrayals become bigger and bigger,
Speaker 3: and that it speaks to the type of feedback that
Speaker 3: we get both on the podcast side and on the
Speaker 3: television side from you know, listeners, from viewers who they
Speaker 3: see themselves in these people. They see the parallels, and
Speaker 3: that relatability obviously goes a long way, but it's also
Speaker 3: it's really refreshing, and it's it's this is one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why we love you guys as partners is
Speaker 3: the understanding and and acknowledgment of the challenges of taking
Speaker 3: a podcast and turning it into a television show. That
Speaker 3: willingness of participants, the archive that needs to be strong,
Speaker 3: the investigative beats that true crime fans you know, kind
Speaker 3: of want to latch into and uh, you know, having
Speaker 3: all those ingredients and to come together in something that
Speaker 3: someone will watch for three consecutive episodes. It's not an
Speaker 3: easy task, and it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: It's been a big challenge, but I think we've learned
Speaker 3: a lot about you know, what are what all those
Speaker 3: ingredients are, and how they need to mesh together for
Speaker 3: these stories to really work.
Speaker 1: There aren't betrayals with strangers. This is a thing that's intimate,
Speaker 1: that happens between people that you love and care about,
Speaker 1: the people that are closest to you. And so when
Speaker 1: we're looking at stories for the podcast, it's about the betrayal,
Speaker 1: but it's equally about the love story.
Speaker 5: And what you guys do so well.
Speaker 1: With on the TV side, and it's something that I
Speaker 1: often forget and is usually the most shocking part when
Speaker 1: I'm watching it is seeing the love story unfold visually,
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to hear it. But with the
Speaker 1: archival and how you guys build, especially in season three,
Speaker 1: with what Justin meant for Stacy and her life and
Speaker 1: when she was able to provide her kids and that
Speaker 1: she had made it, I mean, it was so well done.
Speaker 5: I mean, John and Matt have been real masters at
Speaker 5: creating that feeling of intimacy. In the edit, I mean,
Speaker 5: it all comes down to the beginning in the archive.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just think John, you guys have done
Speaker 5: an incredible job and just making the kind of fairy
Speaker 5: tale that we all dream of, that you want that
Speaker 5: happily ever after, that you want to find the perfect man.
Speaker 5: And that's what makes the betrayal so terrible is to
Speaker 5: see these women finding in very different ways, whether it's
Speaker 5: or you know, I went through a few people, it
Speaker 5: didn't work out, and here was the guy who changed
Speaker 5: my life, who made me feel great about myself. And
Speaker 5: you know, that's just that is the storyline that has
Speaker 5: been so effective with this and powerful because you totally
Speaker 5: buy into that, and it's a betrayal because it's the
Speaker 5: thing that you wanted most and that you felt that
Speaker 5: you were safe. Stacy felt she was safe for the
Speaker 5: first time and she was never in more peril.
Speaker 4: One of the things we really focus on in everything
Speaker 4: that we do at ABC News Studios, but betrayal is
Speaker 4: so amblematic of that, is we want to find first
Speaker 4: person narratives.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: These are mostly women, in the case of betrayal, telling
Speaker 4: their own story from their own perspective, right, And that's
Speaker 4: what we strive in everything that we do. Like either
Speaker 4: we have the victim or we have the perpetrator in
Speaker 4: first person, and hopefully we have both right, so we
Speaker 4: can tell a really nuanced, complex story. And every season
Speaker 4: the betrayal, we've been able to do that, and I
Speaker 4: think that's part of the reason why these have been
Speaker 4: so successful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we always look at it as we want the
Speaker 3: audience to, you know, be along for the ride, the good,
Speaker 3: the good, the bad, the ugly, all those things. But
Speaker 3: most importantly, we look at how we're gonna tease the turn,
Speaker 3: and then when we get to the turn, we want
Speaker 3: to make sure that the audience really is rooting for
Speaker 3: our main character.
Speaker 2: And it's easy to root for Stacy when you when you.
Speaker 3: Learn about her backstory and you understand all the things
Speaker 3: that she went through with her first marriage, being a
Speaker 3: single mom, you know, some of the struggles that she
Speaker 3: went through, and then meeting this you know, this rising
Speaker 3: you know, star in the medical field, in justin Rutherford
Speaker 3: and and kind of you know, having that fairy tale.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not that we want to just pull
Speaker 2: the rug.
Speaker 3: Out from from from under the audience, but we really
Speaker 3: want them to feel what Stacy felt, and in this
Speaker 3: case also what her children, Tyler and michaela fell and
Speaker 3: the way that their world had grown into something you know,
Speaker 3: that they could be proud of, that they felt so
Speaker 3: great about.
Speaker 2: And then it's it makes it all that much more.
Speaker 3: Devastating when the truth starts to come out about what
Speaker 3: Justin was doing. And then obviously in this story, there
Speaker 3: are multiple multiple layers to the way those terrible truths
Speaker 3: you roll out, because I mean, it's such a sinister story.
Speaker 3: When when you step back and look at the whole thing,
Speaker 3: it's it's really really devastating.
Speaker 1: There isn't a single woman on this earth that can't
Speaker 1: listen to Stacy and when she's expressing an episode one,
Speaker 1: how she feels about herself and her body that doesn't relate.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what.
Speaker 2: You look like.
Speaker 1: That is so relatable. And I remember seeing it for
Speaker 1: the first time and just crying and you, guys, just
Speaker 1: you immediately have the audience buy in in that moment.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's the emotional access with the audience of
Speaker 1: I feel that too, and I'm connecting to Stacy. So
Speaker 1: that was incredible. Obviously, in season three, Stacy and Tyler's
Speaker 1: story has difficult themes and you usually don't see them
Speaker 1: addressed on TV. It could be taboo, some people shy
Speaker 1: away from it. What made you guys feel comfortable at
Speaker 1: ABC New Studios to go forward with Stacy and Tyler's story.
Speaker 1: Were there any concerns goals that you guys had.
Speaker 5: You know, there always concerns when you pull, as you say,
Speaker 5: out of the out of a place where you've been before.
Speaker 5: I mean we've been we have the familiar terror A
Speaker 5: territory is just love betrayed. But I think that but
Speaker 5: by being presented with a new story, that brought it
Speaker 5: so much deeper into a family's betrayal. Right, It's not
Speaker 5: just between a man and a woman, It's between a
Speaker 5: woman and her son, and a step son and her stepfather.
Speaker 5: We just saw that the possibility of the depths, the
Speaker 5: emotional depths of that and the exploration of what that
Speaker 5: can do to a family and on the other side
Speaker 5: of it, how a family survives. It was very interesting.
Speaker 5: And you know, I mean John and I talked about
Speaker 5: this a lot. I mean, it's story arc is one
Speaker 5: thing about just what happened. Emotional story arc is something else,
Speaker 5: and again I think that is something really unique. Drea
Speaker 5: to your podcast. It gives you an opportunity to go
Speaker 5: into an emotional storytelling story arc where you understand what
Speaker 5: the high point was, how you get to the low point, right,
Speaker 5: because it's not all at once, You can't really totally
Speaker 5: believe right that this is happening to you, except that
Speaker 5: it is, and how you emerge on the other side.
Speaker 5: It's a real story of self redemption and family redemption
Speaker 5: that we found so intriguing and so important again because
Speaker 5: it is something that we think that our audience experiences universally.
Speaker 4: And we want to be sensitive and careful with victims
Speaker 4: stories too, and how they want to tell their own story.
Speaker 4: As I said before, in this case, Stacy is telling
Speaker 4: from our own perspective, and Tyler is too, And I
Speaker 4: think having those first person accounts in this circumstance, with
Speaker 4: these difficult stories, it is really important.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember, Andrea, a conversation that you and I had
Speaker 3: before you even went into production on the podcast of
Speaker 3: season three of just how to get into the very
Speaker 3: difficult nature of this topic and so kind of when
Speaker 3: and how to reveal certain aspects of it because you
Speaker 3: have so many layers to it. As I mentioned, I
Speaker 3: just remember feeling like, yes, these are challenges, but they're
Speaker 3: also opportunities because you don't see these types of stories
Speaker 3: on television very often. And when I started, when you
Speaker 3: shared with me some of the facts and figures of
Speaker 3: people who've been through what Tyler went through, and how
Speaker 3: much more common it is than any of us would
Speaker 3: ever think, I you know, it started to become a
Speaker 3: little less scary and a little less daunting of how
Speaker 3: we would do this. And then I think the growth
Speaker 3: that Tyler has shown, even from you know, the early
Speaker 3: days of production on.
Speaker 2: The podcast to where he is now.
Speaker 3: And I think for people who tune into the podcast
Speaker 3: and then watch the show, they're going to see this kid,
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen twenty years old now who is just
Speaker 3: so incredibly strong and has shown so much resilience. And
Speaker 3: it's a credit to his mom, it's a credit to
Speaker 3: his entire family. But it's really unique to see someone
Speaker 3: who's been through what he's been through and under the
Speaker 3: stress and the pressure and the emotional turmoil that he's
Speaker 3: been through, to come out and be as strong as
Speaker 3: resilient as he is now. It almost like it flipped
Speaker 3: in my mind from being like, oh man, this is scary.
Speaker 3: This is going to be hard to tell to. You
Speaker 3: know what, let's lean into our strengths here. We've got
Speaker 3: an incredibly strong character here.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys are seeing on your side
Speaker 1: about the audience. Do you feel like the audience is changing?
Speaker 1: Are they becoming more empathetic? Are they becoming more open
Speaker 1: to discussing tougher topics?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: You know, obviously this season involves a story that is
Speaker 1: makes some people recoils. And as a producer, I leaned in.
Speaker 1: You guys leaned in. You know, are you seeing a
Speaker 1: change and you know the weather here with audience's appetite
Speaker 1: for stories.
Speaker 5: Like these, we definitely see it. And in my other
Speaker 5: life before I was with ABC News Studios, I was
Speaker 5: with twenty twenty, so I was deeply into the true
Speaker 5: crime world. And here's what's interesting, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 5: you could only almost chart it to within the last
Speaker 5: five years, maybe a little bit more. People really were
Speaker 5: less interested in the straight storyline and more interested in
Speaker 5: the emotional experience. They really did not like the way
Speaker 5: that there was a much more old fashioned or however
Speaker 5: you're going to term it, way of looking at the
Speaker 5: victim as the victim, right, and that it was a
Speaker 5: story about the perpetrator, that it was a story about
Speaker 5: the how done it? Who done it? You know, how
Speaker 5: was he caught? But that journey of the person you know,
Speaker 5: who was who for home all these terrible things were perpetrated,
Speaker 5: that was not something that was front and center until
Speaker 5: somewhat more recently. I mean with stories like Gilgo Beach right,
Speaker 5: and that kind of story has kind of risen in
Speaker 5: popularity because it offers a different bandwidth than just crime.
Speaker 5: It gives it more complexity because you are exploring again,
Speaker 5: an emotional journey, and I think it's fascinating. I think
Speaker 5: it's partially actually an age thing. I think younger viewers
Speaker 5: have more interest in a different kind of storytelling, and
Speaker 5: maybe it's made all of us better storytellers.
Speaker 3: I love the shift that we're in the middle of
Speaker 3: right now because having a big a veteran of true crime,
Speaker 3: it used to be investigative beats, investigative beats, investigative beats,
Speaker 3: and that's if you didn't have enough of those, and
Speaker 3: if they weren't deep enough, and if they didn't drive
Speaker 3: the entire narrative, then there was sort of a shying
Speaker 3: away from those types of stories.
Speaker 2: But I think, Mike, I think you hit the nail
Speaker 2: on the head.
Speaker 3: It's about great first per storytelling, and we've talked about
Speaker 3: the intimacy. We've talked about being along for that ride,
Speaker 3: and I think, if you've got a great story, and
Speaker 3: you've got a great storyteller, and you've got all these
Speaker 3: other elements we've talked to, the investigative beats of how
Speaker 3: the legal side of it unfolded, almost become way less important.
Speaker 2: I mean, they do become way less important, and certainly.
Speaker 3: They have been in the first three seasons of Betrayal,
Speaker 3: and as a producer it's been really fun and refreshing
Speaker 3: to work that way and not be constantly thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 3: do we have X number of investigative beats per act?
Speaker 3: Like has been the directive for so long in true crime,
Speaker 3: and it's frankly, I think it's a little tired. And
Speaker 3: I think, yes, the audience is getting younger, but they're
Speaker 3: also getting more open minded to being in these more
Speaker 3: intimate spaces as opposed to just like, let's follow good
Speaker 3: police work.
Speaker 5: I mean, in Betrayal, you know this better than Anyonerea,
Speaker 5: because you have talked to them this. You talk about
Speaker 5: the love story, but there's a love story going on
Speaker 5: between Tyler and his mother. I mean, there's a totally
Speaker 5: different aspect of it right where he makes choices that
Speaker 5: he might not have made for her, and she feels
Speaker 5: what she feels because of what where she's put him.
Speaker 5: And how they work that out together because they love
Speaker 5: each other is something kind of phenomenally amazing and human.
Speaker 1: He deeply loves his mother and he loves his family
Speaker 1: as a family guy. And he would have I mean,
Speaker 1: he says it himself, he would have gone to the
Speaker 1: grave with this information because he didn't want her to lose.
Speaker 2: What she lost.
Speaker 1: That's how much. That's how much he loved her, you know.
Speaker 1: And a huge part of our show is not just
Speaker 1: showing these people's wounded parts the victim, right, It's about
Speaker 1: showing them as fully formed human beings and the love
Speaker 1: there that's in the family and they love that existed there.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to ask you, guys. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I just I spoke to it a little while ago
Speaker 1: about I have my answer, But how did the visual
Speaker 1: aspect of TV open up this story for you guys
Speaker 1: even more?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 5: That is so complicated because I was actually going to
Speaker 5: ask you another question, which is like, because some of
Speaker 5: these stories have been on podcasts, you know, in your mind,
Speaker 5: you start thinking, oh, this person must look like this.
Speaker 1: And I was just talking to my mom about that
Speaker 1: this morning, like literally she was like blown away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I may.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like curious because they have created this
Speaker 5: physical ethos around these people which may be quite different.
Speaker 5: They may not be brunette, they may not be you know,
Speaker 5: whatever it is. But I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I I think that however they they look
Speaker 5: and and sometimes I think that people lose a little
Speaker 5: bit by seeing too much, right, But in this case,
Speaker 5: the person, the people that they were, the personalities they
Speaker 5: were kind of let all of that once you're introduced
Speaker 5: to it fall by the wayside, right, And.
Speaker 4: I think there's a magic in like converting the audio
Speaker 4: and as an audience member, it's just in your imagination,
Speaker 4: right what these people look like. To then see them
Speaker 4: for real. These are real people experiencing real emotions, and
Speaker 4: like it's just a different kind of empathy. I think
Speaker 4: that the audience has for these characters, and when something
Speaker 4: works in both mediums. It's just an absolute home run,
Speaker 4: I think to be able to get it right in
Speaker 4: both on both platforms.
Speaker 5: You know, one note about the television part of it,
Speaker 5: John and I, John, you really have been the most
Speaker 5: amazing partner. I mean we have had many nerdy conversations
Speaker 5: about you know, the technique, the technique of it, the
Speaker 5: television technique of it, and you know, there are many
Speaker 5: ways that you could approach this, but I think John
Speaker 5: and I really came to a center of wanting the
Speaker 5: recreation to be as real stick as possible, which meant
Speaker 5: simple things like, you know, using natural light, letting the
Speaker 5: cameras move more like the eye would take you rather
Speaker 5: than you know, setting the cameras on pedestals, and having
Speaker 5: this more stately lit feel. I mean, we really wanted
Speaker 5: to match the rawness of the emotions with something that
Speaker 5: would visually match with that, and we talked a lot
Speaker 5: about it. We really did, and John was sending me,
Speaker 5: you know, samples while he was in the field. I
Speaker 5: just thought it was great. I mean, it was a
Speaker 5: wonderful collaboration and developing that look for it. Well.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the sort of that little extra push that
Speaker 3: you guys gave us. I think in the first two seasons,
Speaker 3: we were with the Recreations a little bit more in
Speaker 3: that dream like space where it felt it didn't felt
Speaker 3: necessarily as raw or as real, and I think adding
Speaker 3: in a lot more handheld camera movement and just sort
Speaker 3: of making sure that we paid a lot of attention
Speaker 3: to little things with our angles. But the audience would
Speaker 3: be amazed, and maybe we'll show some some BTS photos
Speaker 3: of how many lights it takes to make it look
Speaker 3: like it's natural light, you know, because it's it's every
Speaker 3: light and the track comes out to get that look.
Speaker 2: But it's fun and it's a it's a fun challenge
Speaker 2: for the team and for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, my my Recreations team is amazing, and it's
Speaker 3: it's a group of people that I've worked with a
Speaker 3: lot on various different things, and we have we have
Speaker 3: a lot of different techniques that we like.
Speaker 2: But it was nice to kind.
Speaker 3: Of be like, Okay, well, here's what we did on
Speaker 3: season two that we liked, here's what we think we
Speaker 3: could do better, and take that feedback and apply it
Speaker 3: to what we did in season three. And now it's like,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to do this next batch of recrease
Speaker 3: for what's coming next, you know, just keep making it
Speaker 3: feel more raw and more real and more connected to
Speaker 3: the audience.
Speaker 1: I have one final question. What do you guys want
Speaker 1: audiences to take away from season three?
Speaker 5: Anybody you know, I'm just gonna go back to what
Speaker 5: I said earlier. I mean, at the risk of repeat myself.
Speaker 5: I want people to know that they're not alone, that
Speaker 5: it is a universal experience, what they're what they're seeing.
Speaker 5: And I also think that Tyler, the strength of what
Speaker 5: Tyler brings to it, many many strengths, is not to
Speaker 5: be afraid of that experience. You know. I think people
Speaker 5: can be because they are so overcome by shame that
Speaker 5: they go into themselves because they cannot bear, you know,
Speaker 5: the fear of sharing that experience. And I and I
Speaker 5: do hope that people see this and realize that they
Speaker 5: should be a little less fearless, be courageous like Tyler,
Speaker 5: and realize they're not alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. I can't I know, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't think I have a better takeaway. You just crush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with Maryel.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a real opportunity here for
Speaker 3: anybody who sees this who might be through something similar
Speaker 3: to what Tyler has gone through and what the family's
Speaker 3: been through to just you know, see that resilience, see
Speaker 3: that strength, and see the fact that like by sharing
Speaker 3: and by digging in and acknowledging what's happened to you
Speaker 3: and the control that you can take of your life
Speaker 3: and how much power you really do have when you're
Speaker 3: feeling powerless.
Speaker 2: Is I hope that it inspires people.
Speaker 3: And when I say that, I say it with in
Speaker 3: the back of my mind knowing Anthony Edwards experience that
Speaker 3: he shared on the podcast and he shares in the
Speaker 3: show with us, having gone through something similar to what
Speaker 3: Tyler went through and holding on to it for decades.
Speaker 2: And here's, you know, here's here's for all intents of persons.
Speaker 3: A kid, a nineteen year old kid who had the
Speaker 3: strength to come forward, well sixteen, when he came forward.
Speaker 2: It's it's really remarkable, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Well, I tackled everything I wanted to chat with you
Speaker 1: guys about. I don't know if you guys have any
Speaker 1: questions for me and John, but you guys are brilliant
Speaker 1: and so well spoken, and I'm just great, thankful, for everything.
Speaker 1: Truly grateful.
Speaker 4: It's been amazing working with this whole entire team, and
Speaker 4: we have many big plans to come between ABC News
Speaker 4: Studios and the Glass team, and so looking forward to
Speaker 4: telling the audience more about that in the future too.
Speaker 5: Drey, you're an amazing host. I mean seeing you in
Speaker 5: the field with the families, you brought out the best
Speaker 5: in them.
Speaker 2: You really did.
Speaker 5: I mean, I really loved seeing you in the field
Speaker 5: and I hope we'll see a lot more of it.
Speaker 1: Thank you.