1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey, Betrayal fans, I have exciting news to share. Season 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: three of Betrayal is now a docu series on Hulu. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: It's the gripping story of Stacy Tyler and the doctor 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: who betrayed them. See the voices you've come to know 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: in Betrayal Under His Eye, streaming now on Hulu. Now 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: here's a discussion with the people who made that happen. 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm back today with John Hirsch, the executive 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: producer and director of Betrayal, the docuseries. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Hi, Dre, thanks so much. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 3: It's great to be back here with your audience and 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: really excited about today's episode because we have two of 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: our amazing colleagues from ABC News Studio here with us, 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 3: Muriel Pearson and Mike Kelly. Hi, guys, but why don't 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: you go ahead and introduce yourselves to our audience and 15 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 3: also to the host of Betrayal, Andrea Gunning. 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I know, it's so nice to meet you guys. 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: Hey, Andrea, it's nice to see you. I'm Mike Kelly, 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: I leave the team here at ABC News. 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 5: Studios, and Andrea, I'm Muriel Pearson. I'm the executive producer 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 5: in the ABC News Studios. I he's been working valiantly 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 5: with John on this this amazing series. 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you for all you do. I hear 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: your names all the time. Obviously, I'm super involved in 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: the creative and like everything that goes in on the podcast, 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: but I'm mostly on set in doing like interviews for 26 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: the TV shows, so I don't get a lot of 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: the posts and like, so I don't really get to 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: see you guys. So it's really nice to spend this time, 29 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: and I really am appreciative. I have a ton of 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: questions because we've never really chatted before. If you guys 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: don't mind, I would love to just dive in. 32 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: Let's jump in. 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: So I'm so curious. I mean, I obviously love Betrayal. 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm Betrayal all the way. 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: But where did the. 36 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,919 Speaker 1: Initial idea to turn the podcast into the docu series 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: come from? Like, how did that start? 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: Well, we have we have a small team of people 39 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: focused on developing new ideas and they're like constantly scouring 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: the marketplace for IP that resonates with audience, and so 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 4: it didn't take a lot of investigating for them to 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: find Betrayal podcasts because it was so huge out of 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 4: the gate, right, big gigantic hit, and then you know 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 4: around that time that our team sort of found betrayal 45 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: as fans. I think the Glass team came and had 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 4: a general introduction with us, and we quickly decided there's 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: a real partnership that be had here, and so, you know, 48 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 4: after a bunch of conversations, decided to say, yeah, let's 49 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 4: adapt this into a television program. 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: How do you guys know when a podcast has the 51 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: potential to be a successful TV series. 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 4: I think if a podcast is successful in its own right, 53 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 4: it's obvious that there's interest in the story, but not 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: every podcast automatically lends itself to visual or television adaptation right. 55 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: To be successful on TV, just like a podcast, you 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 4: need an amazing story first and foremost, but you also 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 4: need characters that are visually compelling. You need an archive 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: to bring the history and the background of the story 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: to life, and if it's true crime, you need kind 60 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: of the police force, the investigative team to help bring 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: that side of the story to life too. You know, 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: sometimes people are only willing to participate in the audio 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: format and are not willing to appear on cameras, so 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 4: you have to have that piece too. So it's all 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 4: those different pieces have to come together to turn a 66 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 4: really successful audio story into great television. There's probably the 67 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 4: other things that Miel or John could add. 68 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna actually speak specifically to betrayal, Drea, because 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 5: there is no question that this topic we instantly recognized 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 5: would be have an incredible resonance with our audience. You know, 71 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 5: a lot of the people who are in our audience. 72 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: I mean, we look at the demos and it's a 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: predominantly female audience, and this idea of trust broken, of 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 5: double lives, of a betrayal of what there's the most 75 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 5: intimate thing that you could possibly imagine, is incredibly appealing 76 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 5: to that audience because you know, people look at these 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 5: stories and they try and see parallels with their own lives, 78 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: and I think particularly with betrayal, and you know this 79 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 5: because of the podcast, people have resonance with this because 80 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 5: this has happened to them and the many, many women 81 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 5: that you guys have profiled and the ones that we've 82 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 5: profiled here. I mean, the response that we get is 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 5: that emotional response to how do other people respond to 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 5: this thing that honestly, they sometimes think they're all alone 85 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 5: in that they alone have been betrayed and that there's 86 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 5: a kind of comfort in knowing that you're not alone 87 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 5: and to share that experience. So we knew that from 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 5: the beginning with Betrayal that it would be successful. 89 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that really speaks to the community that's developed over 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: the last several years as betrayals become bigger and bigger, 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: and that it speaks to the type of feedback that 92 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: we get both on the podcast side and on the 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: television side from you know, listeners, from viewers who they 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: see themselves in these people. They see the parallels, and 95 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: that relatability obviously goes a long way, but it's also 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 3: it's really refreshing, and it's it's this is one of 97 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: the reasons why we love you guys as partners is 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: the understanding and and acknowledgment of the challenges of taking 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 3: a podcast and turning it into a television show. That 100 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: willingness of participants, the archive that needs to be strong, 101 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: the investigative beats that true crime fans you know, kind 102 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: of want to latch into and uh, you know, having 103 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: all those ingredients and to come together in something that 104 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 3: someone will watch for three consecutive episodes. It's not an 105 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: easy task, and it's been it's been a lot of fun. 106 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: It's been a big challenge, but I think we've learned 107 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: a lot about you know, what are what all those 108 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: ingredients are, and how they need to mesh together for 109 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 3: these stories to really work. 110 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: There aren't betrayals with strangers. This is a thing that's intimate, 111 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: that happens between people that you love and care about, 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the people that are closest to you. And so when 113 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: we're looking at stories for the podcast, it's about the betrayal, 114 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: but it's equally about the love story. 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: And what you guys do so well. 116 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: With on the TV side, and it's something that I 117 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: often forget and is usually the most shocking part when 118 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm watching it is seeing the love story unfold visually, 119 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: because it's one thing to hear it. But with the 120 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: archival and how you guys build, especially in season three, 121 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: with what Justin meant for Stacy and her life and 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: when she was able to provide her kids and that 123 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: she had made it, I mean, it was so well done. 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 5: I mean, John and Matt have been real masters at 125 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 5: creating that feeling of intimacy. In the edit, I mean, 126 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 5: it all comes down to the beginning in the archive. 127 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 5: I mean, I just think John, you guys have done 128 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 5: an incredible job and just making the kind of fairy 129 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 5: tale that we all dream of, that you want that 130 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: happily ever after, that you want to find the perfect man. 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 5: And that's what makes the betrayal so terrible is to 132 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 5: see these women finding in very different ways, whether it's 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 5: or you know, I went through a few people, it 134 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: didn't work out, and here was the guy who changed 135 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 5: my life, who made me feel great about myself. And 136 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: you know, that's just that is the storyline that has 137 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 5: been so effective with this and powerful because you totally 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: buy into that, and it's a betrayal because it's the 139 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 5: thing that you wanted most and that you felt that 140 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 5: you were safe. Stacy felt she was safe for the 141 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 5: first time and she was never in more peril. 142 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: One of the things we really focus on in everything 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: that we do at ABC News Studios, but betrayal is 144 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: so amblematic of that, is we want to find first 145 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: person narratives. 146 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: Right. 147 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: These are mostly women, in the case of betrayal, telling 148 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: their own story from their own perspective, right, And that's 149 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: what we strive in everything that we do. Like either 150 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: we have the victim or we have the perpetrator in 151 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: first person, and hopefully we have both right, so we 152 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: can tell a really nuanced, complex story. And every season 153 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 4: the betrayal, we've been able to do that, and I 154 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: think that's part of the reason why these have been 155 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 4: so successful. 156 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, we always look at it as we want the 157 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: audience to, you know, be along for the ride, the good, 158 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: the good, the bad, the ugly, all those things. But 159 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: most importantly, we look at how we're gonna tease the turn, 160 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: and then when we get to the turn, we want 161 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: to make sure that the audience really is rooting for 162 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: our main character. 163 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: And it's easy to root for Stacy when you when you. 164 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: Learn about her backstory and you understand all the things 165 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: that she went through with her first marriage, being a 166 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: single mom, you know, some of the struggles that she 167 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: went through, and then meeting this you know, this rising 168 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: you know, star in the medical field, in justin Rutherford 169 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: and and kind of you know, having that fairy tale. 170 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's not that we want to just pull 171 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: the rug. 172 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: Out from from from under the audience, but we really 173 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: want them to feel what Stacy felt, and in this 174 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: case also what her children, Tyler and michaela fell and 175 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: the way that their world had grown into something you know, 176 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: that they could be proud of, that they felt so 177 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 3: great about. 178 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: And then it's it makes it all that much more. 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: Devastating when the truth starts to come out about what 180 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: Justin was doing. And then obviously in this story, there 181 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: are multiple multiple layers to the way those terrible truths 182 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: you roll out, because I mean, it's such a sinister story. 183 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: When when you step back and look at the whole thing, 184 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: it's it's really really devastating. 185 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: There isn't a single woman on this earth that can't 186 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: listen to Stacy and when she's expressing an episode one, 187 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: how she feels about herself and her body that doesn't relate. 188 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are, where you're from, what. 189 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: You look like. 190 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: That is so relatable. And I remember seeing it for 191 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: the first time and just crying and you, guys, just 192 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: you immediately have the audience buy in in that moment. 193 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: It's like, that's the emotional access with the audience of 194 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: I feel that too, and I'm connecting to Stacy. So 195 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: that was incredible. Obviously, in season three, Stacy and Tyler's 196 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: story has difficult themes and you usually don't see them 197 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: addressed on TV. It could be taboo, some people shy 198 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: away from it. What made you guys feel comfortable at 199 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: ABC New Studios to go forward with Stacy and Tyler's story. 200 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: Were there any concerns goals that you guys had. 201 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: You know, there always concerns when you pull, as you say, 202 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 5: out of the out of a place where you've been before. 203 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: I mean we've been we have the familiar terror A 204 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 5: territory is just love betrayed. But I think that but 205 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 5: by being presented with a new story, that brought it 206 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: so much deeper into a family's betrayal. Right, It's not 207 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: just between a man and a woman, It's between a 208 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 5: woman and her son, and a step son and her stepfather. 209 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: We just saw that the possibility of the depths, the 210 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 5: emotional depths of that and the exploration of what that 211 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: can do to a family and on the other side 212 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 5: of it, how a family survives. It was very interesting. 213 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 5: And you know, I mean John and I talked about 214 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 5: this a lot. I mean, it's story arc is one 215 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 5: thing about just what happened. Emotional story arc is something else, 216 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 5: and again I think that is something really unique. Drea 217 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 5: to your podcast. It gives you an opportunity to go 218 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 5: into an emotional storytelling story arc where you understand what 219 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 5: the high point was, how you get to the low point, right, 220 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 5: because it's not all at once, You can't really totally 221 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 5: believe right that this is happening to you, except that 222 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: it is, and how you emerge on the other side. 223 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 5: It's a real story of self redemption and family redemption 224 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 5: that we found so intriguing and so important again because 225 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 5: it is something that we think that our audience experiences universally. 226 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: And we want to be sensitive and careful with victims 227 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 4: stories too, and how they want to tell their own story. 228 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 4: As I said before, in this case, Stacy is telling 229 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 4: from our own perspective, and Tyler is too, And I 230 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 4: think having those first person accounts in this circumstance, with 231 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: these difficult stories, it is really important. 232 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: I remember, Andrea, a conversation that you and I had 234 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: before you even went into production on the podcast of 235 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: season three of just how to get into the very 236 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: difficult nature of this topic and so kind of when 237 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: and how to reveal certain aspects of it because you 238 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: have so many layers to it. As I mentioned, I 239 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: just remember feeling like, yes, these are challenges, but they're 240 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: also opportunities because you don't see these types of stories 241 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 3: on television very often. And when I started, when you 242 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: shared with me some of the facts and figures of 243 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: people who've been through what Tyler went through, and how 244 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: much more common it is than any of us would 245 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 3: ever think, I you know, it started to become a 246 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: little less scary and a little less daunting of how 247 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: we would do this. And then I think the growth 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 3: that Tyler has shown, even from you know, the early 249 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: days of production on. 250 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: The podcast to where he is now. 251 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: And I think for people who tune into the podcast 252 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: and then watch the show, they're going to see this kid, 253 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 3: you know, nineteen twenty years old now who is just 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 3: so incredibly strong and has shown so much resilience. And 255 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: it's a credit to his mom, it's a credit to 256 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 3: his entire family. But it's really unique to see someone 257 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: who's been through what he's been through and under the 258 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: stress and the pressure and the emotional turmoil that he's 259 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: been through, to come out and be as strong as 260 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: resilient as he is now. It almost like it flipped 261 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 3: in my mind from being like, oh man, this is scary. 262 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 3: This is going to be hard to tell to. You 263 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: know what, let's lean into our strengths here. We've got 264 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 3: an incredibly strong character here. 265 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious what you guys are seeing on your side 266 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: about the audience. Do you feel like the audience is changing? 267 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Are they becoming more empathetic? Are they becoming more open 268 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: to discussing tougher topics? 269 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: You know? 270 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: You know, obviously this season involves a story that is 271 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: makes some people recoils. And as a producer, I leaned in. 272 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: You guys leaned in. You know, are you seeing a 273 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: change and you know the weather here with audience's appetite 274 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: for stories. 275 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: Like these, we definitely see it. And in my other 276 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 5: life before I was with ABC News Studios, I was 277 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 5: with twenty twenty, so I was deeply into the true 278 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 5: crime world. And here's what's interesting, I would say, I mean, 279 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: you could only almost chart it to within the last 280 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 5: five years, maybe a little bit more. People really were 281 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 5: less interested in the straight storyline and more interested in 282 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 5: the emotional experience. They really did not like the way 283 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 5: that there was a much more old fashioned or however 284 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 5: you're going to term it, way of looking at the 285 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 5: victim as the victim, right, and that it was a 286 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 5: story about the perpetrator, that it was a story about 287 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: the how done it? Who done it? You know, how 288 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 5: was he caught? But that journey of the person you know, 289 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 5: who was who for home all these terrible things were perpetrated, 290 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 5: that was not something that was front and center until 291 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 5: somewhat more recently. I mean with stories like Gilgo Beach right, 292 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 5: and that kind of story has kind of risen in 293 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 5: popularity because it offers a different bandwidth than just crime. 294 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: It gives it more complexity because you are exploring again, 295 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 5: an emotional journey, and I think it's fascinating. I think 296 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: it's partially actually an age thing. I think younger viewers 297 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: have more interest in a different kind of storytelling, and 298 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 5: maybe it's made all of us better storytellers. 299 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: I love the shift that we're in the middle of 300 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: right now because having a big a veteran of true crime, 301 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: it used to be investigative beats, investigative beats, investigative beats, 302 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: and that's if you didn't have enough of those, and 303 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: if they weren't deep enough, and if they didn't drive 304 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: the entire narrative, then there was sort of a shying 305 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: away from those types of stories. 306 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: But I think, Mike, I think you hit the nail 307 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: on the head. 308 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: It's about great first per storytelling, and we've talked about 309 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: the intimacy. We've talked about being along for that ride, 310 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: and I think, if you've got a great story, and 311 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: you've got a great storyteller, and you've got all these 312 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: other elements we've talked to, the investigative beats of how 313 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: the legal side of it unfolded, almost become way less important. 314 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: I mean, they do become way less important, and certainly. 315 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: They have been in the first three seasons of Betrayal, 316 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: and as a producer it's been really fun and refreshing 317 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: to work that way and not be constantly thinking about, Okay, 318 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: do we have X number of investigative beats per act? 319 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: Like has been the directive for so long in true crime, 320 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: and it's frankly, I think it's a little tired. And 321 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: I think, yes, the audience is getting younger, but they're 322 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: also getting more open minded to being in these more 323 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: intimate spaces as opposed to just like, let's follow good 324 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: police work. 325 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: I mean, in Betrayal, you know this better than Anyonerea, 326 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: because you have talked to them this. You talk about 327 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: the love story, but there's a love story going on 328 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 5: between Tyler and his mother. I mean, there's a totally 329 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 5: different aspect of it right where he makes choices that 330 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: he might not have made for her, and she feels 331 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 5: what she feels because of what where she's put him. 332 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 5: And how they work that out together because they love 333 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 5: each other is something kind of phenomenally amazing and human. 334 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: He deeply loves his mother and he loves his family 335 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: as a family guy. And he would have I mean, 336 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: he says it himself, he would have gone to the 337 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: grave with this information because he didn't want her to lose. 338 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: What she lost. 339 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: That's how much. That's how much he loved her, you know. 340 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: And a huge part of our show is not just 341 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: showing these people's wounded parts the victim, right, It's about 342 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: showing them as fully formed human beings and the love 343 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: there that's in the family and they love that existed there. 344 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm interested to ask you, guys. I mean, I think 345 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: I just I spoke to it a little while ago 346 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: about I have my answer, But how did the visual 347 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: aspect of TV open up this story for you guys 348 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: even more? 349 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: Wow? 350 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 5: That is so complicated because I was actually going to 351 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 5: ask you another question, which is like, because some of 352 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 5: these stories have been on podcasts, you know, in your mind, 353 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 5: you start thinking, oh, this person must look like this. 354 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: And I was just talking to my mom about that 355 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: this morning, like literally she was like blown away. Yeah, 356 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: but I may. 357 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm like curious because they have created this 358 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 5: physical ethos around these people which may be quite different. 359 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 5: They may not be brunette, they may not be you know, 360 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 5: whatever it is. But I think it's fascinating. 361 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 362 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 5: I mean, I I think that however they they look 363 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: and and sometimes I think that people lose a little 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 5: bit by seeing too much, right, But in this case, 365 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 5: the person, the people that they were, the personalities they 366 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 5: were kind of let all of that once you're introduced 367 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 5: to it fall by the wayside, right, And. 368 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: I think there's a magic in like converting the audio 369 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 4: and as an audience member, it's just in your imagination, 370 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: right what these people look like. To then see them 371 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: for real. These are real people experiencing real emotions, and 372 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: like it's just a different kind of empathy. I think 373 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 4: that the audience has for these characters, and when something 374 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: works in both mediums. It's just an absolute home run, 375 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: I think to be able to get it right in 376 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 4: both on both platforms. 377 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 5: You know, one note about the television part of it, 378 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 5: John and I, John, you really have been the most 379 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 5: amazing partner. I mean we have had many nerdy conversations 380 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 5: about you know, the technique, the technique of it, the 381 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 5: television technique of it, and you know, there are many 382 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 5: ways that you could approach this, but I think John 383 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 5: and I really came to a center of wanting the 384 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 5: recreation to be as real stick as possible, which meant 385 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 5: simple things like, you know, using natural light, letting the 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 5: cameras move more like the eye would take you rather 387 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: than you know, setting the cameras on pedestals, and having 388 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 5: this more stately lit feel. I mean, we really wanted 389 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: to match the rawness of the emotions with something that 390 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 5: would visually match with that, and we talked a lot 391 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 5: about it. We really did, and John was sending me, 392 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 5: you know, samples while he was in the field. I 393 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 5: just thought it was great. I mean, it was a 394 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 5: wonderful collaboration and developing that look for it. Well. 395 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: I appreciate the sort of that little extra push that 396 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: you guys gave us. I think in the first two seasons, 397 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: we were with the Recreations a little bit more in 398 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: that dream like space where it felt it didn't felt 399 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: necessarily as raw or as real, and I think adding 400 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: in a lot more handheld camera movement and just sort 401 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: of making sure that we paid a lot of attention 402 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: to little things with our angles. But the audience would 403 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: be amazed, and maybe we'll show some some BTS photos 404 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 3: of how many lights it takes to make it look 405 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: like it's natural light, you know, because it's it's every 406 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 3: light and the track comes out to get that look. 407 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: But it's fun and it's a it's a fun challenge 408 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: for the team and for me. 409 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: I mean, my my Recreations team is amazing, and it's 410 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: it's a group of people that I've worked with a 411 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 3: lot on various different things, and we have we have 412 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 3: a lot of different techniques that we like. 413 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 2: But it was nice to kind. 414 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: Of be like, Okay, well, here's what we did on 415 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: season two that we liked, here's what we think we 416 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: could do better, and take that feedback and apply it 417 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 3: to what we did in season three. And now it's like, 418 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: I can't wait to do this next batch of recrease 419 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: for what's coming next, you know, just keep making it 420 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: feel more raw and more real and more connected to 421 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: the audience. 422 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: I have one final question. What do you guys want 423 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: audiences to take away from season three? 424 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 5: Anybody you know, I'm just gonna go back to what 425 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 5: I said earlier. I mean, at the risk of repeat myself. 426 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 5: I want people to know that they're not alone, that 427 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 5: it is a universal experience, what they're what they're seeing. 428 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 5: And I also think that Tyler, the strength of what 429 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 5: Tyler brings to it, many many strengths, is not to 430 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: be afraid of that experience. You know. I think people 431 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: can be because they are so overcome by shame that 432 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 5: they go into themselves because they cannot bear, you know, 433 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: the fear of sharing that experience. And I and I 434 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 5: do hope that people see this and realize that they 435 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 5: should be a little less fearless, be courageous like Tyler, 436 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 5: and realize they're not alone. 437 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's beautiful. I can't I know, I'm like, I 438 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: don't think I have a better takeaway. You just crush. 439 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with Maryel. 440 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's a real opportunity here for 441 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 3: anybody who sees this who might be through something similar 442 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: to what Tyler has gone through and what the family's 443 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 3: been through to just you know, see that resilience, see 444 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: that strength, and see the fact that like by sharing 445 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: and by digging in and acknowledging what's happened to you 446 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: and the control that you can take of your life 447 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 3: and how much power you really do have when you're 448 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 3: feeling powerless. 449 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: Is I hope that it inspires people. 450 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: And when I say that, I say it with in 451 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 3: the back of my mind knowing Anthony Edwards experience that 452 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: he shared on the podcast and he shares in the 453 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 3: show with us, having gone through something similar to what 454 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: Tyler went through and holding on to it for decades. 455 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: And here's, you know, here's here's for all intents of persons. 456 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: A kid, a nineteen year old kid who had the 457 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 3: strength to come forward, well sixteen, when he came forward. 458 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 2: It's it's really remarkable, it's unbelievable. 459 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 1: Well, I tackled everything I wanted to chat with you 460 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: guys about. I don't know if you guys have any 461 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: questions for me and John, but you guys are brilliant 462 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: and so well spoken, and I'm just great, thankful, for everything. 463 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: Truly grateful. 464 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 4: It's been amazing working with this whole entire team, and 465 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 4: we have many big plans to come between ABC News 466 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 4: Studios and the Glass team, and so looking forward to 467 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: telling the audience more about that in the future too. 468 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 5: Drey, you're an amazing host. I mean seeing you in 469 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 5: the field with the families, you brought out the best 470 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 5: in them. 471 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: You really did. 472 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 5: I mean, I really loved seeing you in the field 473 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 5: and I hope we'll see a lot more of it. 474 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: Thank you.