1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: You have Ron and Anian, the old heavy handed mechanics 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: that some of them have the best touch and feel 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: in the world, but a lot of them get by 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: on a lot of them get by on luck. And 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that luck is going to do it anymore. 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: I think it's going to require specific training, very expensive training, 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: and that training is gonna have to be paid for. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Come out somewhere near the end, just to deal with 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: all the plastic. Concourse, the car Doctor, if you can 10 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: find plugs with that thread pitch to put in those 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: ports and push down on the master, the master's got 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: a hold pressure. If the master doesn't hold pressure, then 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 1: you've got a bad master, or they're still more air 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: in it. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your call at eight five, 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: five six and now running. Hey, it's time to start 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: your engines, or maybe it's time to wind up your 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: electrical motor. I'm not sure. What I can say anymore 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show, but we'll stay with 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: start your Engines for a while round any in the 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: Car Doctor here phone numbers eight five five five zero 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero here to take your calls and 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: answer your questions. More information at Car Doctor show dot com. 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: I upgraded software at the shop this week. I had 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: to renew my a v G license for anti virus 30 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: and and internet security and all the things that we 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: normally do and um. In the midst of this, I 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: had a listener send me an article that they had 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: been reading by Chester Dawston. Chester Chester Dawson, I'm sorry, 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: and Chester is a writer for the Wall Street Journal, 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: and it's a great story that's titled car hacking could 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: be the new car jacking, And it seemed to be 37 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: very timely for all the things we're talking about in 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: terms of autonomous cars and electrical cars and the way 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: computers are just taking over the car, and we thought 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: it would be a great time to bring Chester on 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: board and talk to him up here with Chester. Welcome 42 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: up board, sir, and thanks for taking the time today. Well, 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: thank you, Ron, I'm glad to be with you and 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: your listeners. You know, the article starts out, as vehicles 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: fill up with more digital controls and Internet connected devices, 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: they're becoming more vulnerable to cyber criminals who can hack 47 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: into those systems just like they can attack computers. Is 48 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: it really an issue? And I don't say it like that, Chester, 49 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: but is it really an issue that we have to 50 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: be worried about driving our cars? Now? Well, it's kind 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: of an issue now, but it's going to be a 52 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: big issue, um in the not so distant future. I mean, 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: right now, it is technically possible to hack a car. 54 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: It's been done, but it takes um a lot of 55 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: doing and the payoffs is is pretty minimal. Um. But 56 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: what's happening is that as cars get you know, more 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: and more software and in fact become more software heavy 58 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: than even hardware heavy. Um, it's going to open up 59 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 1: a lot more potential uh for hackers to a get 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: access and be potentially profit from that. So um, you know, 61 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: for your average vehicle on the road today, UM, you know, 62 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: there are some vulnerabilities, but we're really talking about you know, 63 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: over the next uh you know, say a couple of 64 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: generations of cars. Um, when these things are going to 65 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: come right out of the shop with a lot of 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: whiz bang functionality, but also a lot of potential vulnerability. 67 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: I was reading another conversation on a forum and they 68 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: were talking about how they feel the the um the 69 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: vulnerable or one of the vulnerable spots will be your 70 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: reality is our cell phones, because our cell phones are 71 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: connected to the cars. And then is the cell phone 72 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: got the right protection on it? And you know, are 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: we going to have to put more patches and more 74 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: protection into the cell phone that talks to the car 75 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: so that nobody else can talk to the car while 76 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: we're driving it. Absolutely? Yeah. I mean that's part of 77 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: this UM move into greater connectivity. Uh. You know, vehicles 78 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: are increasingly coming with their own Bluetooth nodules and WiFi 79 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: hotspots and even built in modems. UM. But to maximize UM, 80 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: the functionality of that UM you really, you know, want 81 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: to have a smartphone and you know, maybe it's just 82 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: uploading your music, or it's uh, you know, somehow looking 83 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: at the diagnostics of your vehicle to see, you know, 84 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: how much gas you have left till the next station, 85 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: or what your tire pressure is. I mean, that's all 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: things you can do, UM. But when we get you know, 87 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: beyond that into things like maybe you know, being able 88 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: to see the line at Starbucks from your car before 89 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: you even pull into the drive through, or you know, 90 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: order a book on Amazon through your cell phone which 91 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: is plugged into your your car. I mean, all of 92 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: this is coming and coming soon. But each time you 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: you add a point of contact or connectivity, there's a 94 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: potential um for a vulnerability. And we all know how 95 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: often are our cell phone software has to be upgraded. 96 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: It seems like I don't know, a couple of times 97 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: a year at least, I'm having to download the latest 98 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: update to the OS. Well, guess what that's coming to 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: your vehicle too, General Motors. Your article goes on the 100 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: largest US auto maker set up a dedicated cybersect curity 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: group three years ago. The currently numbers eighty people. In July, 102 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's July of this year, GM hired two 103 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: cybersecurity experts who directed the g pack in um g 104 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: MS chief security Officer Jeff Missimila. I guess if I'm 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: saying that right. We have re engineered our vehicle development 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: process to include cybersecurity considerations from the earliest stages of 107 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: vehicle design. This is changing the way they're creating vehicles. Absolutely. Yeah, 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: the entire architecture is uh changing to to deal with them. 109 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: You know, ever increasing number of E c U s 110 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: are going into vehicles, UM to allow them to be 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: more connected and ultimately you know, it's powering a lot 112 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: of additional safety features and and even self driving ultimately. UM. 113 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: But the issue is that, UM, you know, I mean 114 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: actually what his comment is, they're trying to kind of 115 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: build the software systems from the ground up instead of 116 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: jury rigging, UM, which is essentially what you've got today 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: today and most vehicles, as you well know, UH, through 118 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: the O B D port you can plug in a 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: lot of additional functionality. UM. A lot of major insurance 120 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: companies are actually encouraging people to do this because they 121 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: can monitor your driving patterns and then potentially you can 122 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: get a break on your insurance. But what's happened is that, 123 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, cars today were never really designed to be 124 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: parts of that open architecture. I mean, the idea was 125 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: you drive your car into the shop, or maybe you 126 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: had somebody who was a good tinker and knew how 127 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: to do it. But you know, the cars were never 128 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: thought to be part of a big network of vehicles 129 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: that we're all going to be connected. But we're quickly 130 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: moving towards that. So, UM, what GM is doing and 131 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: GM is not alone, Um, all the big car makers 132 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: are doing this. They're kind of trying to think more 133 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: like Tesla and looking at um, you know, transportation, uh, 134 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: from the software vantage point very early on, so they 135 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: don't have to kind of go basically design a car 136 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: and then think about the software and the software vulnerability 137 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: as an afterthought. Um, but it's eas you're said and done. 138 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: So at least they're moving in the right direction, right, 139 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: and you know, some of what they're trying to do 140 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I'm sure you've read the 141 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: reports and seeing the studies. You know, an autonomous or 142 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, cars that will talk to each other. They're 143 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: saying that if they can achieve that in the inner cities, 144 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: there'll be no more traffic jams because cars will be coordinated. 145 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I've I've I've read the reports about um, you know, 146 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: a delicate ballet as they all weave through the intersection 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: without stopping or slowing down, because they'll be able to 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: stay within so close of each other without hitting each other, 149 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: and it'll all move along, but that interconnectivity makes a 150 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: concern because if you hack one, you have the potential 151 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: to hack the other because it's it's all part of 152 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: a network and they're all just rolling computers at that 153 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: stage of the game. You know. I also read a 154 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: report that talked about and I'd love to get your 155 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: thoughts on this, not just if it's ever gonna happen, 156 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: but more likely when are we just waiting for it 157 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: to happen? Chester? You know, the expert I talked to 158 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: you said it's inevitable. I mean, once you get an 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: enough connected cars on the road that it makes sense 160 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: either from a nuisance perspective just having a lot more 161 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: targets out there, or potentially you know, from so called 162 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: black hat hackers, or in it for some kind of 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: financial gain. Um. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean, you know, 164 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: they'll target your credit card information, although that's theoretically possible 165 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: as well if you've got you know, it's set up 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: to purchase services over your uh telematic system. But even 167 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: think about something like, um, the locks on your doors 168 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: and the smart keys. I mean, if they can get 169 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: access to an entire line of of vehicles, maybe it's 170 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: in a fleet or maybe it's like every certain make 171 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: and model of a certain year. Uh, and they can 172 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: effectively you know, ransom uh your your ability to access 173 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: your car or even get out of it. So there's 174 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: a lot of um, you know, once this catches on 175 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: and you know, there's enough vehicles out there to make 176 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: a worthy target, then you're going to find more hackers 177 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: looking at that, and even you know not to um 178 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, uh be a fearmong or anything. But the 179 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: other latent danger out there are states sponsored actors. You know, 180 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: we've seen many big hacks recently, even the latest one, 181 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of speculation as to who is 182 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: behind that. Uh. You know, it may become another form 183 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: of warfare in the future. UM, and obviously that's um 184 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: something that both the companies and ultimately US government may 185 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: have to look into and find ways to protect against. 186 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the good news is the fact 187 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: that you know, and your article is very specific, and 188 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: it's great for all the listeners out there that want 189 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: to get ahold of it. We're talking to Chester Dawson 190 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: of the Wall Street Journal. Um, you know, at least 191 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: they're aware of it, and they're they're there, they've obviously 192 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: been working on this, all the car companies, the government 193 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: that you know, all the authorities, they're working on means 194 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: to prevent this from happening. Is there is there anything 195 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: in your mind that the listeners when they go out 196 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: to purchase a new vehicle with they really have no 197 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: control over it, right, I mean, it's just going to 198 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: be dependent upon the engineering that goes into the car 199 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: that they buy. Well, there is reason for octave them 200 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: as you say. I mean there's great awareness about the 201 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: risks and also the opportunities and the fact that they 202 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: are starting to design cars from the ground up with 203 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: this in mind. Um, you know, is is something that 204 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: says that they're taking it seriously and for every added 205 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: functionality it offers drivers and passengers. Um, you know, there 206 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: is a risk, but it's one that that um, you know, powerable. UM. 207 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: So I think the probably the the thing to keep 208 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: in mind even more than you know, what if somebody 209 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: gets in my vehicle is what are the getting access to? 210 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: And I think the one thing that really needs to 211 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: be worked out probably between industry and maybe consumer groups 212 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: and certainly I know, um the government is interested in 213 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: this is privacy. If you do have a lot of 214 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: data in a vehicle. Um, you know, if whether it's 215 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: hacked or not. There's this issue of how much you 216 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: want an automaker to know about you. And it's not 217 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: just things like where you're going through your GPS or 218 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: how you drive, you know, do you blow through red 219 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: lights or you know whatever, um, but it's also things like, 220 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: you know, your medical data, your biometrics, and that's increasingly 221 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: going to be part of new vehicles. They need to 222 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: know whether you're alert enough to allow the car to 223 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: do partial self driving. They're going to look at you know, 224 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: all sorts of things, your blood pressure, all of that 225 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: data that could potentially be exposed. So there's going to 226 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: be various levels of opt in UM. And if you 227 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: want all that functionality and you're comfortable with that, you know, 228 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: you're you're lopped in for it. If you're not. Theoretically 229 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: you should be able to opt out. Now that's again 230 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: easier said than done. Um. Think about your iPhone or 231 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: your smartphone. You know, yeah, you can opt out of stuff, 232 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: but you're missing out on a lot too. So I 233 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: think it's just important people go into it with open eyes. Yeah, 234 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I recently attended a class real quick 235 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go is UM And they were 236 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: talking about how the car companies are are going to 237 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: be selling some of this data as marketing. Maybe not 238 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: for specific people, but maybe it'll show that you know, 239 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred thousand people prefer the left rear 240 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: corner of the driver's seat or the you know, where 241 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: they sit, how they sit, where their head was, like 242 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: you say, blood pressure biometrics. A lot of that information 243 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: that they're going to obtain, they're gonna now use for 244 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: marketing to decide what things to bring to market, to 245 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: sell to people to you know, you never thought of 246 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: your car as a as a as a cultural device 247 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: where they're going to be, you know, obtaining marketing data 248 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: from But that's part of what this, if I follow 249 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: along with what you're saying, is going to create. Correct, 250 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: every automaker is doing it. And there's an old thing 251 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: in Silicon Valley if you're not paying for the product, 252 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: you are the product. So kind of this is going 253 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: to be offered drivers free, but you know you're gonna 254 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: have to trade in some of that data in order 255 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: to get access. But for the time being, we shouldn't 256 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: all rush out to buy sixty two Dodge Darts and 257 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be afraid to drive our cars. At least 258 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: we know they're working on it right now. I'm not 259 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: an advocate of of us all becoming bloodytes, but it's 260 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: just important to know about perfectly, Jester. Is there a 261 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: place Is there a way the listeners can go and 262 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: read this article in full? Is there a website or something? Absolutely? 263 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: You can go to www dot W s J dot com, 264 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: or you can look me up on the internet. I'm 265 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: linked to that and other stories I've done on the topic. 266 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: Chester Dawson, and the name of the article is car 267 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: hacking could be the new car jacking. Chester Dawson, d 268 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: A W S O in Well listen, Um, we appreciate 269 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: you taking the time. Can I just ask you as 270 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: as things unfold, can I ask you to reach out 271 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: and keep us abreast and I'm gonna put you on 272 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: our watch list so to speak. Nothing don't take it personal, uh, 273 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: but as as things evolved, I'd love for you to 274 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: feel free to reach out and we'd love to continue 275 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: to inform the listeners like you did here. It was great, 276 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: absolutely happy to do so. Thank you, Chester. You have 277 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: a great afternoon. Take good care. I'm runing any in 278 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: the car Doctor. We're coming back right after this. Hey, 279 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: Ron and Amy and the car Doctor. And once again 280 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you to Chester Dawson from 281 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal w s J Journal dot com 282 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: that article about car hacking. We appreciate them taking the 283 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: time today. You know, technology is with it just everywhere 284 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: with automobiles. I was reading an article too, um All Data. 285 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: All Data raises the bar with new interactive color wiring diagrams. 286 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: They've now added color wiring diagrams three hundred thousand, three 287 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand nonoe interactive color wiring diagrams to their automotive 288 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: digital repair solutions, All Data Repair and All Data Collision. 289 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: You can view and print multiple diagrams side by side. 290 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: Highlights specific wires. This is the thing that got my attention. 291 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: You can highlight a specific wire and track it across 292 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: all the pages in the diagram series and hide non 293 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: highlighted wires. Look at how important wiring diagrams have become 294 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: or about to become. And you know, in reference to 295 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: what Chester was saying about the advent and introduction of 296 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: modules into cars and how it's growing in leaps and bounds. 297 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: You know, those modules talk via wires, and even with 298 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: can multiplexing and digital signals, they've still gotta have a 299 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: certain amount of wires and cars. It's nice to see 300 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: the folks at All Data doing what they're doing, more 301 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: information at all Data dot Com. But yeah, they're they're 302 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: they're stepping up the game too. It's auto repair, it's 303 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: always changing, always evolving. So thanks again to the folks. 304 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: With all that, let's go over and talk to Larry 305 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: Lewis de Idaho and some questions on four cars. We're 306 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna do four cars at once, all right, Larry, welcome 307 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: to the car doctor. Let me let me wake up 308 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: a little bit for this called Larry. How can I 309 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: help you? I'm only kidding. What's going? Okay, we got 310 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: we've got four challenges for you today. Ron. What I 311 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: was wondering is as I'm interested in a code reader, 312 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and the vehicles that I've got are three fifty motor 313 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Home with the four sixty uh crew Cab with the 314 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: seven three diesel No. One uh F one fifty with 315 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: the five four and an O four Explorer with the 316 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: four six, And I was kind of wanting to go 317 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: to a code reader that would be able to go 318 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: back as far as the nine four O B D D. 319 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: And the problem. The problem is you've got some O 320 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: b D one and O b D two stuff there, 321 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: so you've got to really, you know, you've really got 322 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: to look at it from both perspectives. What I would 323 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: probably do is I would get out on eBay or 324 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Amazon or see who's selling a used scanner from you know, 325 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 1: whatever generation we want and look specifically for the capabilities 326 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: of the two then and try and lump that together. 327 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: And and the reason I say that is because that 328 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: was twenty five years ago, two thousand. It's coming up 329 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: on twenty three years ago. Right, It's it's not it's 330 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: not like that technology is going to improve or change 331 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: that much. It's not like there's gonna be a lot 332 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: of software updates to that scan tool. So anything you 333 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: find use of a decent you know, OTC snap on, uh, 334 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, whatever was of that generation back then, that 335 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: at least if the manufacturers still around, if the tool 336 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: needs to be repaired, it can still be done. So 337 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: all right, uh, you know, too bad you didn't get 338 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: to me the beginning of the year. I probably throwout 339 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: a couple of O b D one scan tools. Um, 340 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: I would have been glad to give him away. Uh 341 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: you know that. Being said, all right, at least then 342 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: you've got the diesel covered and you've got your coverage 343 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: O b D one and you're okay. The reason I 344 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: would say to do it that way is because to 345 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: go into the O b D two stuff. You know, 346 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: the yoga was an O four and an old one. 347 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: You said, correct, Okay, you know there's a lot of 348 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of juice in a in a good 349 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: O b D two scan tool, there's a lot of 350 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: information that you can gleam from these cars. And to 351 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: purchase an older tool that barely does O b D two, 352 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: I would rather see you buy something more current and 353 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: newer that that will give you the ability to graph, 354 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: look at freeze frame, look at some of the other 355 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: things that we can do with O b D two 356 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: that make diagnosing the problem easier. All right, Um, But 357 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, you want to get something with 358 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of manufacturer specific information to all right, 359 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: do you know the difference between the two when I 360 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: reference it like that O b D two and manufacture 361 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: or specific? Okay, because you know it's it's just that important. 362 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: I always look at O B D two. I gotta 363 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: check engine light. O B D two is where I'm 364 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: is where I'm looking every time, and that gives me 365 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: codes that will give me basic information, gives me freeze frame. 366 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: I want to get in deeper than that. I'll take 367 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: a look at the rest of it by manufacturer specific 368 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: and you know to tag it along that way. So um, 369 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,239 Speaker 1: let's try that. Let's see what you find out there. 370 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: If you got any other questions, Larry, give me a 371 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: call back at eight five five five six zero nine zero. 372 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: We'll do what we can for you. I'm on an 373 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: any in the card doctor. We're coming back. We're right 374 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back. We're an Indian card doctor here 375 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: at eight five five five zero nine zero zero. Give 376 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: us a call, let us know what's on your mind 377 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. Here. We're live Saturday afternoons 378 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: two to four pm. Um. I got an article I 379 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: want to talk about, but maybe not right now, maybe 380 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: not today, about boomers steering the industry from Anthony Emilio 381 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: out there in Park Ridge, Illinois. And it's interesting to 382 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: see how the baby boomer generation is still guiding how 383 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: the car companies bring cars to market. So we'll do 384 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: that either this week or next. But right now, let's 385 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: go over to our I think this is our far 386 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: West Coast affiliate out there, Walter out in Hawaii with 387 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: some questions about a two thousand four Nissan Quest. Walter. 388 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor. Welcome back to the Car Doctor. Walter. 389 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: We haven't Thanksgiving dinner together this year. What's the story. Well, well, 390 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: being a member of the family, we may as well 391 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: as well, so that way we can cuss at each 392 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: other like families do. Absolutely, So what's going on today, kiddo? 393 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: Uh Two quick things. When earlier you said that an 394 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: organization was a t M dot com, I a t 395 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: N dot net and get it okay? And the daughter's 396 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: tooth house and four Nissan Quest needs a uh a, 397 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: the dealer and also an independent mechanical told her that 398 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: it needs a new timing chain. It's the chain, not 399 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: a belt. Is it humming? Apparently? I'm not sure what 400 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: all the certain rureniture, but it's either ticking or humming. 401 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: It's making any noise, yes, yea. And my question is 402 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: the two part Number one is can it be done 403 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: without you know, lifting the cab off the engine and 404 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: number two if it can How difficult is it? Um? 405 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: The quest engine is sitting sideways, is it not? I'm 406 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: trying to remember. I believe it is. Yeah, it's tight, 407 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: but I believe you can do it. Um. I know 408 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: when it's longitudinally, when it's the other way, you can 409 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: definitely do it. It's not an issue. As a matter 410 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: of fact, I'm doing one Monday, um, just to show 411 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: you where it's at. It's tedious, it's time consuming. Uh, 412 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of little tricks of the trade that 413 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: you need to follow to do it. What does the 414 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: dealer want to do the job? Walter? Uh, he estimated 415 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: two to three thousand dollars. He's in the game. There's 416 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: there's easily fifteen hundred dollars in parts. I can tell 417 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: you that I've got the jobs. Yeah, yeah, I've got 418 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: the job sitting on my bench. I'm doing it Monday. 419 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: I thought I saw the two chains and the guide, 420 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: well three chains and the guides listed for like a 421 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty bucks. There's three chains. There's a set 422 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: of guide. You're gonna do a water pump, You're gonna 423 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: do a thermostat you're gonna do up in lower radiator hoses, 424 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: you may want to consider replacing a radiator in it, 425 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: depending upon its age, because it's, uh, you know, it's 426 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be part of the process. You're gonna do something. Sure, 427 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, there's there's typically there's some seals 428 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: and gaskets. Yeah, there's every bit of twelve to fifteen 429 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: hundred dollars in material there. Uma there. I thought I 430 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: could probably do the whole job funder two or three 431 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so. Um. 432 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: Now I realize you've got all the time in the world, 433 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not being facetious. I'm being serious. Um. 434 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, I know you've got the time to sit 435 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: there and tinker with it. But I would be concerned 436 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: about you getting yourself in over your head and and 437 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: you know doing yeah, um, you know, doing the wrong thing. 438 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: The reason that it's making noises because the nylon chain 439 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: has the nylon guide rather has warned, and it's it's 440 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: in danger of or coming close to where it's gonna 441 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: rub through and eventually become a bigger problem. I think 442 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: I would tell you to pass on this one, Walter. 443 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: You know I don't. I don't want to see you 444 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: get hurt. Uh. You know, it's it's it would be 445 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: different if he had done a few UM, I would 446 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: probably have change. Yeah. And you know it's it's there's 447 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: one main chain and then there's two separate chains to 448 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: drive the cams off of the other. UM. And there 449 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: are some very unique things about that. UM. Not to say, 450 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, don't be afraid of it. Excuse me, don't 451 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: be afraid of it. But you know, if if you 452 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: can avoid it. Yeah, I priced the whole job out 453 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: because I think parts are gonna be more than your 454 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 1: real life. UM, you're definitely gonna, like I said, you're 455 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: definitely gonna want to do a water pump while it's out. 456 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: And you know, when you're pricing parts, where are you 457 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: pricing parts from Nissan or someplace else? No? No, no, no, no, 458 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: let's play the game fair. All right, we're doing open 459 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 1: heart surgery. Do we want to do we want to 460 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: put the best possible parts in that we can, or 461 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: do we want to use the cheapest junk from places 462 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: on the internet that we're questionable origin and sources you know. 463 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: That's that's you know, I can price out any job 464 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: cheaper on the internet. But I don't know the origin. 465 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't know the source. I don't know where it 466 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: came from. I gotta be buying from a brand, uh, 467 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, from a name. I've got to be sourcing 468 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: it from the brand name when they on the internet. 469 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: Adds that I looked at you right, and you know why, 470 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: because it would be hard to say, you know by 471 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: this part white box brand. You know that's and that's 472 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: what we call it in the industry. It's a white box. 473 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: We don't know where it came from. We don't know 474 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: who made it, we don't know what the quality level is. 475 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: We just know that it's cheap and it works. And 476 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: you know what, Listen sometimes and this is how you 477 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: gotta look at order repair. Um, I've got to I'll 478 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: tell you this story real quick, and then I'm gonna go. 479 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I've got an O five Accura with a hundred thousand 480 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: miles on it sitting at the shop right now. It 481 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: it blew the radiator, took the radiator out, which took 482 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: out the trans cooler, which, because the customer kept driving, 483 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: probably took out the trans all right, So at the 484 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: very least, this otherwise very nice, accurate t L that's 485 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: twelve years old. I'm sorry, md X, it's twelve years old, 486 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: needs a radiator, maybe a transmission. Customers going to scrap 487 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: the car, all right. And what I said was, you know, 488 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: think about selling it, because there's somebody out there that 489 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: would consider. They'll do a radiator. If it needs a 490 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: trans they'll do a trans Somebody out there will consider 491 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: tinkering with it and working on it. To some people, 492 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: that's a valuable commodity. And this is where the Internet 493 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: fills the gap. They'll use a cheaper part, a cheaper substitute, 494 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: because people don't put a value on their time. What 495 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: you've got to ask yourself is all right, and I 496 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: get it, Dad's trying to help his kid. I understand 497 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: that what is your time worth? That's number one? And 498 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: number two? All right? How many times are you willing 499 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: to try and redo this job? If if you knew 500 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: that white box part was just as good as the 501 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: oe part and it lasted a hundred thousand miles, I'm 502 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: all for saving money, but until I've got definitive data 503 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: that proves and supports that that tells me that, yet 504 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: it will last that long and it will work as well. 505 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm not taking the chance. I'm not taking the chance 506 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: with you. I'm gonna taking a chance with me, And 507 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm not taking a chance with a customer because you know, 508 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: there's there's people don't want that. You know, the concern 509 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: has to become And as a repair shop owner, I'll 510 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: go one step further. As a repair shop owner. If 511 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: somebody comes in and says, what's the cheapest you can 512 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: fix my car? I tell him zero because I'm not 513 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: doing it. I don't look at price. I look at 514 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: how how right can I do it? Um? You know, 515 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: then we got to talk about safety. If if you 516 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: do the chain wrong, if the chain breaks, if something bails, 517 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: that's a bender, and then you've got bigger problems. And 518 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: what if your daughter is trying to you know, on 519 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: an off ramp on the highway, on the on the 520 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure they've got highways in Hawaii, even though we 521 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: think it's all kind of but you know there's places 522 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: they can go sixty mile right quick? Yeah, Well, and 523 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: we don't want her to have to stop real quick 524 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: at the wrong moment because the engine stalled because the 525 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: chain fell off or the chain failed, and you know 526 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: it's it's a complicated enough procedure. You want to use 527 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: the best part you can get. Okay, all right, kidd. 528 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: One other thing, ron is you know I didn't start 529 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: working on cars. I was in my sixties. But I 530 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: do feel confident that I could do the job. But 531 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: I but now I don't know whether it's worth you know, 532 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: paying the amount of money for the Nissan parts or not. 533 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: So I wanna scale a one to ten. You'd probably 534 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: give it an aid against using the Uh yeah, I 535 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: think that's a fair supermarket part. Yeah, okay, unless unless 536 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: I knew the outcome, unless it has a proven track record. 537 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: And I think in all fairness to you, the dealer 538 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: has got to give you a better price than two 539 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: or three thousand dollars. Yeah, all right, you know that's 540 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: a big he's got. If you've got in the list 541 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: price for the parts, right, it's you know, and again, 542 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: maybe they don't do a radiator, Maybe they don't want 543 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: to do a water pump. Maybe it's a thousand dollars 544 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: in parts. Right, Um, well, the water pump definitely has 545 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: to be done. Uh you know you wouldn't I wouldn't 546 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: take it down that far without doing a water because 547 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: it's it's down and I'm certainly not going to take 548 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: the primary chain offered that without changing the two cam 549 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: chains or replacing the tensions. And are you not going 550 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: to do a thermostat? And are you're not going to 551 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: do radiator hoses? And then at that point, if the 552 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: radiators original it's twelve years old, weren't you gonna put 553 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: a radiator in it? Yeah, I definitely do the hoses. 554 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: So you know, everything is systematic repair, everything is continuance 555 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: upon everything else. So you know, you gotta get some 556 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: better numbers. I mean, I'm working. I'm a caller up 557 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: and I'm a caller up and teller to listen to 558 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: this podcast. You know, Monday, Um, Monday. You know it's 559 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: a it's a nismo, alright, so Monday. This is a 560 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: pathfinder nismo that I'm doing. Maybe it's a little different 561 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: than the Quest, but my point is it's still gotta 562 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: be twelves in material. It's still a day's labor. There's 563 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: eight nine hundred bucks. It's got to be every bit 564 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: of the dealers. The dealers done that job more than 565 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: a few times. They've got to be able to give 566 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: you that quote off the top of their head, or 567 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: they've got to give you a range and explain to 568 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: what's in the what fours? All right, got it? So 569 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: good luck to you, Walter. Thanks, you're a good dad. Alright. 570 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: YouTube five five zero nine zero zero Run eating the 571 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: car Doctor. I'm coming back. We're right after this. Hey, 572 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: welcome back. Why don't they need of the car doctor? Um, 573 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: let's get over and talk to David in Michigan for 574 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: fusion and some questions. David, welcome to the car doctor. Sir, 575 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: you're at zero nine zero zero. How can I help? Yeah, 576 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: all right, thanks for taking my call. So anyways, um 577 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: so that's two thousand fusion. It's got the but at 578 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: one point six or one point four four leader and 579 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: um it's got about ready to turn sixty miles. It's 580 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: always ran really good, just like brand new. And uh 581 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: I always um warm my car up in the morning. 582 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, I let it run for a couple of 583 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: minutes before I take off with it, even in the summertime. 584 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: It don't matter to me. And uh it always uh 585 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: so when I sit there idle and it always idled 586 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: real smooth and now I'm finding that it's starting to 587 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: uh not, you know, I don't feel smooth anymore. Now 588 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: it only does that when it's cold. When it warms 589 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: up and it's fine, and um, so it's starting to 590 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, not idle so smooth like that when it's cold. 591 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: And um, I'm just wondering. I've I've put I ran 592 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: a couple of bottles of fuel injector cleaner through it. Now, 593 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: this was that's been over the past couple of months. 594 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: I hadn't didn't have anything to do with me trying 595 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: to fix that problem on my own. Um, I just thought, 596 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: you know, just sixty miles, that might be a good 597 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: idea to run some fuel injector cleaner. But anyway, so 598 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: this is I'm pretty meticulous about my car, you know, 599 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: and I like to keep it in good shape and stuff. 600 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering what you think the problem might be. Well, 601 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: I think the fuel injection cleaner is a good start. Um, 602 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: Can I ask you what brands you used? Yeah, the 603 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: Berryman at the O'Reilly huddle. Okay, And did you see 604 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: any change after using the Berryman? Well, you know, no, 605 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: I can't say I noticed any big power increase. Well, 606 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: not so much power. Do you notice the difference in 607 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: the idle quality, because that was your original complaint, not 608 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: really idle idn't quality? Uh no, Um, not that I 609 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: really noticed, don't so. And there's no dash warning lights on? Right, Yeah, 610 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: I do. I do have the engine light on. That 611 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: came on like two days ago. Um. I had had 612 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: my car into the dealership. All they did to it 613 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: was but uh put a in cap and air filtering 614 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: it for me, So they didn't even lift the hood, 615 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: you know. But I think it was just maybe just 616 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: a coincidence that after I had left there that day 617 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: then the engine light came on. Um, but yeah, I 618 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: have I have the engine light on now. And uh, 619 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: let me let me let me say it like this, David, 620 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: do you ever get sick? You ever get sick on 621 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: a Friday? I don't know, but but you didn't feel 622 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: good on Monday and it took five days for you 623 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: to finally get sick. Okay, So the car is kind 624 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: of the same thing, all right. You know, it could 625 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: have had something brewing for a month and it just 626 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: took a while for it to show up. So I 627 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: would tell you the very first thing you want to 628 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: do is not necessarily. I would tell you've got to 629 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: know why the check engine lights on. You gotta know 630 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: what the code is. Right, Well, I'm I've got an appointment. 631 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it in Monday morning to the dealer. 632 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: Do this because I'm up against the clock. Get the 633 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: code and if you don't like their answer either way, 634 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: call us bad and get in que for next week's 635 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: show and tell us what the code is. And if 636 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: they haven't fixed that, I can help you diagnosed it accordingly. 637 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: We can go from there. But not knowing what that 638 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: code is, that's, believe me, that's three quarters of the 639 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: problem with today's cars today. You gotta start the diagnosis. 640 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: When the cars trying to tell you something, you gotta listen. 641 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: So do that and give us a call back zero 642 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: zero Rona nating the car doctor coming back right after 643 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: this welcome back. Why don't they need the car doctor? 644 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: Kind of winding it down, quick piece of email. We 645 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: haven't done any emails today. This comes to us from 646 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: Frank ron something to think about. Hi, ron On only 647 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: partially get this mad rush for electric cars and even 648 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: less for autonomous cars. But um, Frank makes some really 649 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: good points here. He says for electric cars? How are 650 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: they paying the state fuel tax used to maintain the 651 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: same roads that all vehicles use. They get tax breaks, 652 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: h OV lane breaks, toll breaks. I have asked state 653 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: legislatures the same question, and as usual, they act brain dead, 654 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: or maybe it's not an act. Watch when New Jersey 655 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: fuel tax revenue falls short of projections, and he's right, 656 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: how is that gonna You know, we're not gonna have 657 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: the gas tax, We're not gonna be selling as much 658 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: gas For autonomous cars? Do they know to move over 659 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: or slow down when a police service vehicle as its 660 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: flashing lights on to help another motorist? Do they know 661 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: to stop when they're involved in an accident and swap 662 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: insurance info? Do they know to pull over safely and 663 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: stop if the police vehicle wants one to pull over? 664 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: I want to know if what if the thing is 665 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: doing in the fast lane, will it be smart enough 666 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: to pull over on its own and make you know? 667 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: That's like, I'm from Jersey. What is it with you? 668 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you New York guys? What what is 669 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 1: it with New York drivers? All? Right? Every time all 670 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: the New York drivers, you guys think the left lane 671 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: is the slow lane. I don't get it. New York 672 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: and Connecticut drivers are the absolute worst. I've come to 673 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 1: this conclusion. You guys all think you know the left 674 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: lane is for accelerating. Last part sorry if you already 675 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: discussed these issues, but my internet service runs about as 676 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: fast as a ten year old HUGO watch your knuckles. 677 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Frank m You know, Frank excellent points that it makes 678 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: you wonder about autonomous vehicles. Um, you know, how will 679 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: they interact and intertwining? Yes? Mr Ray has some closing 680 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: comments real quick, we got sixty seconds. I was just 681 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: gonna say, with the New Jersey drivers, this from somebody 682 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: whose book at least ten years ago, who didn't define 683 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: right of way, Well, huh, because in New Jersey there 684 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: is no right of way, and if there is, the 685 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: driver certainly don't. In Jersey, we believe the right of 686 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: way is if you're in the way, get out of it. 687 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: So that's that's that's kind of how it works. It's 688 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: like move over, I'm in a hurry, I gotta go. 689 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: But you know it doesn't flood. Autonomous cars to be 690 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: continued a subject that uh, we'll be watching very closely 691 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks. Months and years until then, until 692 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: next week. Till next time I'm running ating of the 693 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: car Doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you