1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. Listener mail. 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: My name is Robert Lamb. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and it's Monday, the day 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: of each week that we read back messages to the 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: Stuff to Blow Your Mind email address. If you have 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: never gotten in touch before and would like to give 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: it a shot, send something please. You can reach us 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: at contact at stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: Whatever you want to send us fair game. We appreciate 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: all kinds of messages, especially if you have something interesting 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 3: to add to a recent topic we've talked about. Let's see, 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 3: rob I'm going to start with a message about the 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: recent total solar eclipse that pass through the middle of 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: the United States. We didn't do an episode about eclipses 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 3: because we've done that in the past, especially tied to 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: eclipses in the past. But we did do a weird 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: house cinema episode on the movie Dragon Slayer because it 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 3: features an eclipse that'll come up again later in the episode. 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: But we also just got a response seemingly about the 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: eclipse itself, and this is from Hannah. Hannah says subject 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: line moon exploration via swan power. Hannah says, Hi, Robin Joe, 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: I'm helping my husband prepare a lecture that covers the 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: eclipse for his physics students. I ran across this book 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: and I had to share love the podcast. Keep up 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: the good work, my best, Hannah. And what Hannah shares 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: is a link to a seventeenth century book called The 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: Man in the Moon. And this is Moon spelled n E. 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: I like the extra e in there makes it fancier. 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: It's almost like a more costly version of the Moon. 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: The Man in the Moon or a discourse of a 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: voyage thither. So this is a book that was published 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 3: under the pseudonymous name Domingo Gonsales. The real author was 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: an English bishop named Francis Godwin. And this is a 35 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 3: novel that was published in sixteen thirty eight, several years 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 3: after the author's death, said by some to be the 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: first science fiction novel written in English. So it's a 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: first person narrative telling the story of a Spaniard named 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: Domingo Gonzalez who travels to the Moon on an aircraft 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: powered by swans and discovers that the moon is filled 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: with people who have an advanced civilization of their own, 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: and I think also are significantly involved in like kidnapping 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: children from Earth. 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: On Kaladan, we ruled with air and land power, but 45 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: on Earth we will rule with swanpower. 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: How did you describe this Swan machine? Like, there's an 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 3: illustration on the inner fold of the title page I 48 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 3: found so we can look at this. Rob It's like 49 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: a it looks sort of like the Swan copter. Well, 50 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: it's got a mounted seat really just kind of a 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: crossbar on the bottom and the rest is just bars. 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: It's like an electrical transmission tower. And they taped a 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: bunch of birds to the tower by the feet. And 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 3: also in this this illustration, they're they're like flying him 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: over the moon or to the moon and passing over 56 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: the mountain of purgatory. 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, it raises a lot of questions. Yeah, it's 58 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: it's kind of like a kite scenario. It looks like 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: like the bare minimum harvesting of the power of the 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: Swan and uh it yeah, right, And then the amount 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: of purgatory being there also raised his questions, like how 62 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: does that factor into it? Are you using some sort 63 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: of using that as some sort of like a slingshot technique, 64 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: sling shotting off of the mount of Purgatory via eton 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: or not that sort of a donic zone on the top, 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: so that you can just go right to the moon. 67 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 68 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: Purgatory O gravity assist, Yeah, yeah, But anyway, so I started. 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: I found a full text of this book, and I 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: was scanning through it, and a few things caught my eye. First, 71 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 3: I'll quote a passage here with some edits, just describing 72 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: how the character attains spaceflight on the swan copter. He says, 73 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: it was now the season that these birds were wont 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: to take their flight away, as our cuckoos and swallows 75 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: do in Spain towards the autumn. They as after I perceived, 76 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: mindful of their usual voyage. Even as I began to 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: settle myself for the taking of them in as it were, 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: with one consent, rose up, and, having no other place 79 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: higher to make toward to my unspeakable fear and amazement, 80 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: struck bolt upright, and never did linn linn, meaning cease, 81 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 3: never did cease, towering upward and still upward for the space, 82 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: as I might guess of one whole hour. Truly, I 83 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: must confess the horror and amazement of that place was 84 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: such as if I had not been armed with a 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 3: true Spanish courage and resolution, I must needs have died 86 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: there with very fear. But the next thing that did 87 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: most trouble me was the swiftness of motion, such as 88 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: did even almost stop my breath. If I should liken 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: it to an arrow out of a bow, or to 90 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: a stone cast down from the top of some high tower, 91 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: it would come far short and short. So he's describing 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: mind bending speeds. And this passage starts to give a 93 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: hint of how interestingly this novel is not just an 94 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: exercise in imagination. It actually engages significantly with scientific theories 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: of the day of the seventeenth century, engaging with the 96 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 3: works of Galileo and Kepler. For example, I came across 97 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: a passage where the narrator is using his fictional observations 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: to make the case that the Earth does in fact rotate, 99 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: and it is not the heavens that spin around a 100 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 3: stationary Earth. And the author also makes points related to 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: the idea of gravity and to the speed of the 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: motion of the objects in the heavens, and so forth. 103 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: Nice nice kind of fitting them that we see the 104 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: amount of purgatory in the background here, because as we've 105 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: at least discussed in Passing before you know you have 106 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: you have a number of scientific ideas wrapped up in 107 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: Dante's divine comedy as well, something that we might come 108 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: back to again in the future and do a proper 109 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: deep dive on. 110 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: Totally agree, though I should be clear, I was just 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: saying it's the amount of purgatory because it looks like 112 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: it to me. I couldn't find that it says that text. Okay, 113 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: that's just my editor. 114 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: I love the idea of it amount of purgatory. I 115 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: accept no other interpretation. 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: However, there is another thing that I found really interesting 117 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: about this book, which is that this early science fiction 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: novel does mix in elements of horror. On the journey 119 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: to the Moon, while traveling through the space between, Gonzalez 120 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: is surrounded by spirits of a wicked nature. In his view, 121 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: space is full of devils. I'm gonna read from the 122 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 3: text here another thing there was exceeding and more than 123 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: exceeding troublesome unto me, and that was the illusions of 124 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: devils and wicked spirits who the first day of my 125 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: arrival came about me in great numbers, carrying the shapes 126 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: and likeness of men and women, wondering at me like 127 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: so many birds about an owl, and speaking diverse kinds 128 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 3: of languages, which I understood not do birds wonder about 129 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: an owl. I'm not sure what that means, but I 130 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: like the image, so anyway. The devils of the space 131 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: make him all kinds of promises. They tell him they 132 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: can take him safely back to Spain, they can give 133 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: him earthly comforts and pleasures. He turns all this down, 134 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: though he does accept some food they offer him, writing quote, 135 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: least in the mean, while I should starve, they did 136 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: so readily enough, and brought me very good flesh and 137 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: fish of diverse sorts, well dressed, but that it was 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: exceeding fresh, and without any manner of relish of salt. Wine. 139 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: Also I tasted there of diverse sorts, as good as 140 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: any in Spain, and beer no better in all Antwerp. 141 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: But when it comes time to eat, things go south, 142 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: he says he quote, in great haste fell to searching 143 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: of my pockets for the victuals I had reserved, as aforesaid, 144 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: But to my great amazement and discomfort, I found instead 145 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: of partridge and capon, which I thought to have put there, 146 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: a mingle mangle of dry leaves of goat's hair, sheep 147 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: or goat's dung moss and such like trash. As for 148 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: my canary wine, it was turned to a stinking and 149 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: filthy kind of liquor, like the urine of some beast. 150 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: So space demons are always trying to feed you goat 151 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: hair and beast urine. 152 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that is all marvelous. I've so many thoughts 153 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: on that. On one hand, kind of shades of Warhammer 154 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: forty thousand to come there with this idea of traveling 155 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: through space putting you in a demonic peril or potential 156 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: demonic peril, and then kind of shades of the Gate 157 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: duology Gate the Gate and the Gate Too or Gate Too, 158 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: a couple of wonderful kind of Gromlin movies that I 159 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: discussed in Weird House Cinema with guest co host David Streepy, 160 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: because in the second one, the demons will grant your wishes, 161 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: but your wishes turned to the literal poop the next day, 162 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: So you wished for you know, a sports car, Well, 163 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: guess what is now parked out in front of your house. 164 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: It's an elephant sized chunk of just just fecal matter. 165 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: But I like that here he specifies what animal it 166 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: comes from. Does the gate say what animal it comes from? 167 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: No, they don't really get into it. But it makes 168 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: sense that it would be goat. You don't give him 169 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: demonic connotations. 170 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: There have a label on it, like the you know 171 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: the ones at the grocery store that tell you where 172 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: the fish came from. 173 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is from goat. I don't know why. I 174 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: don't know how goat dung would be worse. I've certainly 175 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: been around goat dung before, and it's not the worst 176 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: dung at all. Give me goat dung over dog dung 177 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: or any kind of carnivore dung any day of the week. 178 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: It's funny. He does specify goats for the dung, but 179 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: he does not and for the hair, by the way, 180 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: goat hair and goat dung, but does not specify which 181 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: beast the urine is from. 182 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, you can poke around in the fecal 183 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: matter and you can sort of it can make a 184 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: lot of you know, there is a lot of identification 185 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: via feces. Urine, however, is more complicated. Matter that may 186 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: require a bit of science or alchemy. And I guess, actually, 187 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: goat dung, you know, is round, So I guess he 188 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: could tell it's like, this is clearly goat dung. Look 189 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: how round it is. 190 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, thank you so much, Hannah. It was very 191 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: interesting looking into this book. 192 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: All right. Well, since we're talking about literature and demons, 193 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna skip to this one from Jim, responding to 194 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: mention of the short story The Hounds of Tendlos. This 195 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: is a story, a weird story from the nineteen thirties, 196 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: actually nineteen twenty nine according to the State I just 197 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: looked up by Frank bucking up Long, so was originally 198 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: published in Weird Tales. And anyway, we heard some feedback 199 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: here from Jim. Jim says, I'm thinking Robert may know this, 200 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: but this tale was the inspiration for Metallica's thrasher All 201 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: Nightmare Long, which was on there in my opinion underrated 202 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: ninth studio album Death Magnetic. I found an audio version 203 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: of the story on horror Babbel, a podcast with a 204 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: great narrator who does a lot of the old thirties 205 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: sci fi and horror fiction, including Lovecraft Robert E. Howard Clark, 206 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: Ashton Smith and the like. 207 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Jim. I did not know the connection 208 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: with that song. In fact, I did not know the 209 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: song at all because so I grew up loving Metallica, 210 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: but I have never really gotten into their twenty first 211 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 3: century stuff, and so I checked out the track and 212 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: I did not expect to like it. As an adult, 213 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: my Metallica preferences have shifted toward the earliest of their catalog. 214 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: Like the Metallica I like now is the stuff that 215 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: is the most immature and anti social, with the driest production, 216 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: the stuff that tends to have like really fast, raw, 217 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: a little bit sloppy but still awesome instrumental performances and 218 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: lyrics that always vaguely imply the existence of some near 219 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: future conflict called the metal War, which I understand will 220 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: be fought with metal over access to metal. I think 221 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: that sound, however, Jim, despite the fact that I have 222 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: largely stayed away from recent Metallica, I dug it up 223 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: and I thought this track was pretty good. I give 224 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: it to him. Maybe it's that classic cosmic horror that 225 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: puts the gang back into original form. 226 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah awesome, Yeah, I was not familiar with this nection either, 227 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: and I haven't really listened to any of the more 228 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: recent Metallica albums, though I have to say I love 229 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: I love the old stuff, but I also really loved 230 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: like some of the at the time latter day tracks 231 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: like the Memory Remains a lot of people hate that song, 232 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: but I could never understand how this sounds pretty good. 233 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: Maryanne Faithful's on this, I don't know. I like it 234 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: had a cool video, but at any rate, that's fascinating. 235 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: Though I know that at least one or some of 236 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: the members of Metallica do have a lot of love 237 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 2: for some of the old weird fiction. You know, there 238 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: are some lovecraft in references on some of their older material, 239 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 2: so it's not all that surprising that they would continue 240 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: to find inspiration and work from this time period. When 241 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: we recorded this episode, I mentioned that I had started 242 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: reading The Hounds of Tendalos, but I had not finished it. 243 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 2: I finished it in the days following that initial episode, 244 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: and I have to say it's it's a real banger. 245 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 2: I highly recommend this particular short story. Again, you can 246 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: find like an ebook of this gentleman's work for like 247 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: ninety nine cents and also you can find it in 248 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: you know, text form, online and all. But basically skip 249 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: now if you don't want any spoilers. But basically, again, 250 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: a gentleman takes some time traveling space, drugs and experiences 251 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: like all of human history and before human history all 252 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: at once, and has all sorts of revelations and it 253 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: just just overpowers him. And then these strange creatures, the 254 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: hounds of tendalos, begin to come after him through the 255 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: corners of things, the unnatural corners of reality. So he 256 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: has a very balanced response to this. He gets some 257 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: plaster and he removes all of the corners from his 258 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: from his home so he can live safely, so the 259 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: hounds cannot get him. But then there is an earthquake 260 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: and it disrupts the perfection of these curves and income 261 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: the hounds, and of course the hounds destroy him. And 262 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: then later his friend comes in and finds him. I 263 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: want to read just a quick quote here, just to 264 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: give you a grizzly taste of it. Quote. Chalmers lay 265 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: stretched upon his back in the center of the room. 266 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: He was starkly nude, and his chest and arms were 267 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: covered with a peculiar bluish puss or eye cores. His 268 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: head lay grotesquely upon his chest. It had been completely 269 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: severed from his body, and the features were twisted and 270 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: torn and horribly mangled. Nowhere was there a trace of blood. 271 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Nineteen twenty nine. It hits pretty hard. 272 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 3: The horror of this period. Does love an unearthly jelly, 273 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: doesn't it. There's got to be an icre on there. 274 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, a very fun tale. I haven't read 275 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: anything else by this author, but I have a whole 276 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: book of his stuff now, so I'm gonna have to 277 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: get in there and find some other other tales worth discussing. 278 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 3: All right. Next, we got this message from Daniel on 279 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: Facebook on our Facebook discussion module. This was in response 280 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: to our conversation about different names for what we call 281 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: dust bunnies. Daniel says in Swedish a dust bunny is 282 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: dam rata, meaning dust rat, which seems even more fitting. 283 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: A bunny is a cute, often domesticated animal. A rat 284 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: is a bringer of decay and pestilence. I interpret Daniel 285 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: to be saying, in the popular imagination, you know, not 286 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: slandering rats as an animal, though of course they do 287 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: in fact in some cases bring disease. 288 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not cutting rats any slack here there. 289 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: Gris Daniel goes on. I had always assumed it would 290 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: be the same in the other Scandinavian languages, but apparently not. 291 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: Norwegian goes with hohosa stove house dust, straightforward but not 292 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: very imaginative. Danish, on the other hand, seems to go 293 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: the other way with nullermand, which translates to the ominous, 294 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 3: the outright ominous nothing men. 295 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: Oo, the nothing men are under your sweetie, we have 296 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: to clean tomorrow. Yeah, that's definitely ominous. This is great. 297 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: This is exactly what we wanted to hear from everybody. 298 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Be it because again I found, like, at least the 299 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: resources I was discovering online, it didn't have a lot 300 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: about the various international terms for dust bunnies. So keep 301 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: them coming. And thank you Daniel for writing in with this. 302 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 3: Yes, please, yeah, and thank you Daniel. 303 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: All Right, this one comes to us from Harry. It says, hey, Robin, Joe, 304 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: Harry from Stockholm. Here, listening to your third dust episode 305 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: on my way to endo work. I was struck by 306 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: a scenario you mentioned just before diving in the Sobriety's Paradox. 307 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: This was the parable of the movie set designer who 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: has no dust machine and must wait for the scenes 309 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: requisite dust to accumulate. It struck me that this scenario 310 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: is a good example of an observer's behavior changing the 311 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: outcome of the observation. Like photons bouncing off electrons and 312 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: quantum theory, the set designer's breath, their movement to and 313 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: from the point of anxious observation would inhibit the accumulation 314 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: of dust by changing the air occurrence of the room. 315 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: It tugs on the heartstrings to imagine the poor set 316 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: designer as Tantalus, expectantly watching one spot for dust as 317 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: other neglected surfaces of the set become dusty. Thanks and 318 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: keep up the good work, Harry. 319 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: Oh that's great, Harry. What a sad scene you've painted here. 320 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: And I kind of want to see it as like 321 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: a short film. Now this is it could be quite interesting, 322 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: the dust Wrangler. 323 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: All right, we can finish up with a couple of 324 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: messages about weird house cinema. This is from Liza. Liza 325 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 3: says Hi, Rob, Joe and jj E. Liza here, longtime listener, 326 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: first time writer. I just finished your Dead Mountaineers Hotel 327 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 3: episode and I have to say, growing up in Russia, 328 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 3: I have never heard of this film. Perhaps it was 329 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: too controversial or too dark in nature for its time. 330 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: I ended up watching it as soon as I finished 331 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: the episode, and boy was I not disappointed. In answer 332 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: to your question, the pool game they are playing is 333 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 3: called Russian billiard or Russian pyramid. It's essentially the same 334 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 3: as pool, but the balls are bigger, which makes it 335 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: quite a bit harder to score. Fascinating, Liza says, I'm 336 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: very excited to recommend you another Soviet sci fi film 337 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: called Ivan Vasilievich back to the Future. Unlike Dead in 338 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 3: Mountaineer's Hotel, it is very much a comedy and an 339 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 3: all time classic. Our version of Monty Python, one might say, 340 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: might not be the best fit for Weird House, as 341 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 3: it's not horror by any means, but definitely a must watch. Nonetheless, 342 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: Best of luck and keep up the great work, Liza 343 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: from Russia. Oh and it just occurred to me that 344 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: maybe Lisa. I don't know Lisa or Liza. Thank you 345 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: for writing in Yeah, and thank you for the recommendation. 346 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, this film is completely off my radar. I'm not 347 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 2: familiar with it. All Right, here's another weird house response. 348 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: This one is from Pat and this is a response 349 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: to our discussion of Dragon Slayer, which also gets into 350 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: a brief discussion of just eclipse movies solar eclipse movies 351 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: in general, of which we said there are very few 352 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 2: to choose from. Pat rides in and says, guys, another 353 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: fun show. Best solar eclipse movie A Connecticut Yankee and 354 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: King Arthur's Court a very silly Bing Crosby musical. Thanks 355 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: Pat from Larida. 356 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't consider this because I actually have not 357 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: seen this movie, but it's weird to me that there 358 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: would be a goofy bing Crosby musical based on a 359 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: Connecticut Yankee, because I mean, I guess the novel is funny, 360 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: but so. It's a satirical novel by Mark Twain, which 361 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 3: is about a late nineteenth century engineer who gets knocked 362 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: on the head and then wakes up in early medieval England, 363 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 3: figures out the date, and uses his knowledge of a 364 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: coming solar eclipse to amaze the superstitious locals and eventually 365 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: gain a position of power in King Arthur's Court, where 366 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 3: he tries to go on to turn medieval England into 367 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: a democratic republic. And give them industrial age, technology and 368 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: so forth. But the church and the aristocracy resist his 369 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: reforms and revolt against him. 370 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I read this story when I was a kid, 371 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: and I remember, I don't know, being at least mildly 372 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: amused by it. I don't remember loving it. But of 373 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: course it's been the basis for several films. Of course 374 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: the nineteen forty nine adaptation. Also there is a nineteen 375 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: seventy nine film that is sometimes referred to as a 376 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 2: Spaceman in King Arthur's Court. There is a nineteen ninety 377 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 2: five film, A Kid in King Arthur's Court, and then 378 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: of course there is the two thousand and one film 379 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: Black Knight, starring Martin Lawrence as a time traveler. 380 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that it has all of these 381 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: adaptations where the tone is quite silly. I guess maybe 382 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: the tone of the novel is quite silly, But from 383 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: what I understand, the point of the satire is pretty sharp, 384 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: like it was a humorous attack on people who unlike Medievalism, 385 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: on people who had a romantic, idealized view of medieval 386 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: European life of monarchy and chivalry or nightly virtues like 387 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: what you would get in Ivanhoe by Walter Scott, and 388 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: in the political context where Twain was writing, this romantic 389 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: medievalist view was especially common among people who also romanticized 390 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: the US Antebellum South and the Confederacy in the Civil War. 391 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: So Twain, I think, with that association, is reacting against 392 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: that and painting a picture of knights and kings not 393 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 3: as noble and angelic beings but as violent and ignorant 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 3: hoarders of power. And I've not seen this movie from 395 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: nineteen forty nine, but it is fun to think about 396 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: it that way and then think they turned it into 397 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: a funny musical starring Bing Crosby. But anyway, Bing Crosby 398 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: musicals are not something I know a whole lot about, 399 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 3: you know. It's I think the extent of my knowledge 400 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: is having seen the Christmas One, whatever it is, the 401 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: what's the one where they're in the army and they're 402 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: saying the White Christmas. Yeah, that's on in the background 403 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 3: and around Christmas time. But that's about all I know. 404 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 3: But I'm curious enough that I would give this a 405 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 3: watch now. But to come back to the topic of 406 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: the eclipse, like how it figures into the story, it 407 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 3: seems like it fits with the themes because the knowledge 408 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: of the eclipse that the main character possesses in the 409 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: story sort of symbolizes the novel's view that, like, whatever 410 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: the faults of the modern world, democracy and science and 411 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 3: technology are better than kings and knights and superstition and 412 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: get I am curious how sharply these themes come through 413 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: in the musical. 414 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have these same questions about two thousand 415 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: and ones Black Knight, starring Martin Lawrence but co starring 416 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: Tom Wilkinson and also Kevin Conway. Kevin Conway is the 417 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 2: narrator on the nineteen nineties Outer Limit series, so he's 418 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: the voice that comes in at the beginning and at 419 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: the end of every episode and kind of like tries 420 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: to wrap things up in this kind of nice philosophical packaging. 421 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: M okay. 422 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 2: So, I don't know if any of you have thoughts 423 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: on the movie Black Night, write in maybe it's worth 424 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: looking at. Like I say, anytime I see the interest 425 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: in cast members, I'm kind of intrigued. And I guess 426 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: the real core idea here is like just the basic 427 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: concept of a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's court. It's 428 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 2: a great fish out of time story. So yes, it's 429 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: easy to apply it to various times, various actors, various 430 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: comedic sensibilities, and so forth. 431 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, change the characteristics of the protagonist. 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