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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvici. How about we get a

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Speaker 1: show of hands right off the top. It's part of

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Speaker 1: an overall fact finding mission by yours truly, But at

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Speaker 1: even better about yourself. That's why I'm here. Pauly Podcasts

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Speaker 1: here yourself. That's where you're going, and I've got an

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Speaker 1: anecdote to prove that momentarily. But first we have an introduction.

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Speaker 1: Felipe Corral, junior content provider, part of the content team

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Speaker 1: just like the two of us, joins us in this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Underground and not to hit you over

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Speaker 1: the side of the head with a sideways question. Okay, Felipe,

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Speaker 1: have you ever had caterpillars come raining down into your

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Speaker 1: been here thirty plus years and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's like March of the Penguins at cossacal Vic, except

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Speaker 1: it's caterpillars pouring out of the preserve because of the

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Speaker 1: monsoon rain. And right now i have a serious pest

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Speaker 1: control issue on my hands, and I'm wondering if anybody

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Speaker 1: else is in countered this ever before Philippe, what says you.

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Speaker 1: I've lived in Arizona for the twenty six years of

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Speaker 1: my life, pon Darren, and I've never encountered that I

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Speaker 1: don't know what part of the state you live in, Pona.

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Speaker 1: I definitely didn't do caterpillars fall. Well, it's southwest Payson

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Speaker 1: by most estimations. I did a quick Google searching. There

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Speaker 1: were articles twenty fourteen after a massive monsoon reign that

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Speaker 1: by inundated, I'm talking about there were about three dozen

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Speaker 1: So you're in a high rent district, Paul. Most of

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Speaker 1: us just have to deal with scorpions. Not at all,

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Speaker 1: not at all, caterpillars. Maybe they chased the scorpions. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe the scorpions can't afford where you live. As an

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Speaker 1: death in the caterpill It all not caterpillars. Again, I've

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Speaker 1: like that Caterpillars, that's just disney A. I know. I've

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Speaker 1: I figure, it's the month of August, Paul, you should

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Speaker 1: know where you live, because I mean, Caterpillars and you're

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Speaker 1: I am starting to believe that you do live in paces.

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Speaker 1: I just don't get to me. The preseason is sort

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't matter because there's no correlation. Are you feeling

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Speaker 1: he's saying Phelipe is that team results don't matter. Individual

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Speaker 1: it out. The two hours he spent dealing with caterpillars, well,

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Speaker 1: there without a big time fight. It made me grateful

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Speaker 1: Just a fact. We are down there after all of

426
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Speaker 1: last seas well for this year. It is absolutely because

427
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: we hadn't done that since twenty nineteen, pre pandemic. So

428
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 1: we're down there, we're doing face to face interviews at

429
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 1: a distance, and his face was, you know, deep in thought,

430
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: staring at his shoetops as he's talking about the game,

431
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's reviewing every single snap in

432
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Speaker 1: his mind. And I like that. I like that where

433
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: it matters to a player, he doesn't dismiss, you know,

434
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: the bad. He doesn't just focus on the good. In fact,

435
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 1: he didn't focus hardly on the good at all. It

436
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: was so I like the mindset because think about it,

437
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 1: you're a first round pick, you get the big contract,

438
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: you're handed a starting job, you're the captain of the

439
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: defense in so many different ways. Buddha Baker earlier today

440
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: called him the call, said it was his he has

441
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: ownership of the defense. You haven't even played a single

442
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: regular season snap, so there's a real chance to get

443
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: a huge ego if you're a Zavan Collins and think

444
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: you've already arrived and starts smelling yourself and the words

445
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: of DJ Humprey's instead, here's a guy who's very critical

446
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: of himself. I like that. I like seeing that in

447
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: a guy. Well, you know again, I think, first of all,

448
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: if you're self motivated, which most of these guys are

449
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: to get to this level, but Zaven Collins clearly has

450
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: this this level of maturity and self motivation that you know,

451
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: it was weird when we heard him on draft night

452
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: and he's he's kind of doing the expletive laden conversation

453
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: with Steve Come. You weren't, but he was celebrating. It

454
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: was great. I enjoyed the heck out of it, but

455
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: you weren't sure exactly what you're got. And the more

456
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: him around him and just the more how how absolutely driven.

457
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 1: And then to hear what he said after the game

458
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Speaker 1: in terms of how he was kind of knocking himself

459
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 1: over what he didn't do. But you know, again, it

460
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: goes back to the bigger picture, Like you if you're again,

461
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: if you're self motivated like him, you're gonna take these opportunities.

462
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: Philippe's taking the opportunity to do this right now now.

463
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: If we had a preseason podcast, asked, maybe Phelipe would

464
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 1: benefit more being on the preseason podcast, then the two

465
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Speaker 1: of us having to do more reps after. You know,

466
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Speaker 1: I've been on Cardinal's Underground since it started. You you started,

467
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: and then you were off for a little bit and

468
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: then you were back. But like we've been on the

469
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Speaker 1: air basically this podcast since two thousand and seven. Paul left.

470
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: I don't think well, I Paul left. It was a

471
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: logistical issue. Let's put it that the time when it

472
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: was me, Paul and Wolf was getting Wolf from Paul

473
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: together in the same room was a logistical nightmare. And

474
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Speaker 1: finally Darren just has said, you know what, We're gonna

475
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: split it up because this just isn't worth it anymore

476
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: because the two of them could never come together. Don't

477
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: talk about two thousand and seven. The man's only twenty six.

478
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: Trust me. I think I'm sure it was Tea and

479
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: that's what happens. He does the math and then that's

480
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Speaker 1: what we get to hear. Well, we wouldn't we wouldn't

481
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Speaker 1: need the preseason podcast, Paul, but the Zavan Collins corral

482
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: over here probably does right. Well, you know what, you

483
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: can be Isaiah Simmons to his Zaven Collins, you can

484
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Speaker 1: call him a weirdo. A little bit later, based on

485
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Speaker 1: the draft I was thinking about where would you guys

486
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Speaker 1: rank that interview and you and your years of being

487
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: with this organization, where does Zaban Collins Draft Night interview

488
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Speaker 1: rank for you guys? Yeah, on the scale of being unique, Yeah,

489
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: that was a nine out of ten. I would say

490
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: that there there's no doubt about that. That was a

491
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 1: very unique. But look, we've seen a lot of different

492
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: guys reacting a lot of different ways on Draft Night.

493
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Speaker 1: Tyre and Matthew, Yeah, very emotional and being a rodste

494
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: telling were you in there for that call? That might

495
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Speaker 1: have been was actually yeah, where he got real, where

496
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: he was really like upset, not upset he was it

497
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: was tears of joy. But it was one of the

498
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Speaker 1: best you know, in the year before Isaiah Simmons and

499
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Speaker 1: I get it was a pandemic and he was at home,

500
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: also was Zaban Collins, but it was more of a

501
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: muted reaction Isaiah Simmons when he went to the Cardinals

502
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Speaker 1: number eight. Well, when you start thinking about it, though,

503
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons thought all along he was going to be

504
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. Maybe Zaven Collins wasn't absolutely sure

505
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: he was going to be a first round pick. Uh,

506
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,959
Speaker 1: you know, tired Matthew, We know those deals, Lad Stephens

507
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: Howling we were just talking about. He was, you know,

508
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: he was a guy who he never started in college.

509
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: He was a backup like his whole career. And to

510
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: get actually picked in the NFL, even though it was

511
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: a seventh round pickup. I love the hyphen, don't you

512
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: guys feel like you love your nickname. I'm learning on

513
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: the on the go. But Asaia Simmons, I feel like

514
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: he he's always been in the spotlight. I mean he

515
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: comes from he comes from Clemson, you know one, that's true,

516
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: one of the big college football Though he was slightly recruited,

517
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: so he probably got more media attention there than he

518
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: does in Arizona. Perhaps honestly sec So the fact Isaiah Simmons,

519
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: by the way we're going to talk about this, we

520
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: see him quite a bit on the outside. Yeah, what

521
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: do you think that poor tense what do you think

522
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Speaker 1: that means? Do you think that's real or not real?

523
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that should be our new game show in August.

524
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Speaker 1: Real or not real? Darren, you're on the spot. Well,

525
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with real now. If we're talking about

526
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Speaker 1: like all the time, I mean, we'll see how that goes.

527
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: But if one of your better defenders is yet another

528
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 1: inside linebacker and Jordan Hicks, and I think they wouldn't

529
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Speaker 1: mind getting him on the field. And you can do

530
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: some things with Isaiah Simmons on the outside, whether it's

531
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Speaker 1: you know, picking up a running back in the slot

532
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: or coming off the edge when people aren't expecting it.

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Speaker 1: I think, I think absolutely those those things are That's

534
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Speaker 1: why you draft in Isaiah Simmons to get him in

535
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: those things, and if you can get Jordan Hicks on

536
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Speaker 1: the field at the same time, because I think Jordan

537
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: Hicks is having a very good training camp quite frankly,

538
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: and he works well with Zavian Collins, and I think

539
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: Xavin Collins is the kind of abilities where you can

540
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: put them him in Hicks and inside linebacker and still

541
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Speaker 1: be in a good place. Can I call an audible

542
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: real quick? You can do whatever you do because you

543
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: said real or not real, real or not real, I'm

544
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna call audible. I'm gonna go to the terms that

545
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: you know the I want to say millennials use whatever

546
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: is that. We go by cap or fact factor cap

547
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: fact or cap factor cap, no cap, no cap. See

548
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Darren is trendy. I did not know that Darren three years.

549
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: He's got a whole advantage. So it's fact, it's cap

550
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: or no CAP. And I think it's no cap because

551
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons last year some of his best performances were

552
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: against the Bills, the Seahawks, and the Patriots, if I

553
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: remember clearly, And what do they all have in common?

554
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: They all have mobile quarterbacks, cap and Josh Allon, Russell Wilson.

555
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: And I think he shined the most last year when

556
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: he was playing outside because he has a speed to

557
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: pressure the quarterback and if they try to scramble, well,

558
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to run away from Isaiah Simmons necessarily.

559
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: So I think it's no CAP. I think he should

560
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: see more time on the outside. There should be some

561
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: packages where you see Jordan hicks z even calling and

562
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons on the field at the same time. And

563
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: then I think he is benefiting from Chandler Joe's not

564
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: necessarily being participating in practice. Yeah, that probably is a

565
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: good point too. And JJ Watt as well, not being

566
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Speaker 1: part of those preseason games and not participating in practice.

567
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's good reps, though I always

568
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: ask myself he needs more reps as an inside linebacker

569
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, So where does that balance come

570
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: in from. I feel like, you know what, I feel

571
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: like it's practice where he gets some of those reps.

572
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like when we're watching the games,

573
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: he's been inside because they know that's where he needs him.

574
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: But that that play, and Paul, I'm sure you remember it,

575
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: the little quick out to was it hard hardman where

576
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons just, I mean he he closed. It looked

577
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: like he was a good five six seven yards away

578
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: when he caught the short out and Isaiah Simmons closed

579
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: faster I think than any player I've ever seen clothes,

580
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and that includes some smaller cornerbacks and everything. It wasn't

581
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: amazing and he stopped him short of the sticks. I

582
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was a second down throw or

583
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: a third down throw. I want to say it was

584
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: a second down throw right out over there, and I

585
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: was just like that was that was a moment which

586
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: I had seen it before kind of, but like seeing

587
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: the speed of Isaiah Simmons was just unreal to me.

588
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: It was two snaps in a row. I don't wrute

589
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: down many notes in my notebook on the sideline during

590
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: those preseason games, but it was the first series, the

591
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: one that resulted in the fifteen plays and then the

592
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: field goal for Kansas City. There was a second down

593
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: along they got behind the sticks. I think it was

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00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: second and fourteen, and I put an asterisk in a

595
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: star next to his tackle, the running back from Kansas City.

596
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: And then there was that next play where yes he

597
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: got me Cole Hardman and yeah both I was a

598
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: double din. There's no doubt about it. You saw Isaiah Simmons.

599
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: You saw the speed, you saw the ferociousness. You saw

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: a guy that if you're gonna put your eleven best

601
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: players on the field, he needs to be out there.

602
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Here's the rub. Fifty eight is probably still one eleven

603
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: best defenders you have in Jordan Hicks, especially based on

604
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: this camp. Dude is playing with an extra edge. He

605
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: was doing it earlier. Today he made a few plays

606
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: in the portion of camp we can't report on, but

607
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: I won't tell you. He was fired up and when

608
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: he makes a play, he makes it known he made

609
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: a play. So, you know what, I want a guy

610
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: with that high football IQ who might be feel like

611
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: he's been a little bit slighted. He's playing with an edge.

612
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: And I also believe he's playing for a lot of

613
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: incentives in his contract. Well, so he's extra motivated to

614
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: be productive, is he not? He's not only playing for

615
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: incentives this year, but the reality is the way his

616
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: contract is structured and who they have on the field now,

617
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: he may very well end up being a free agent

618
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: after the season. We don't know if if they might

619
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: choose to go in a different direction. And so he

620
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: knows he's playing for not only incentives, but his potential

621
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Speaker 1: is future. So again, so if you have that guy

622
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: into your point, you pair him with two athletic linebackers

623
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Speaker 1: around him who can take care of the running back

624
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and coverage or the tight ending coverage, because that's his liability. Honestly,

625
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that's what led to the Cardinals trying to

626
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: replace Jordan Hicks was in getting exploited in coverage either

627
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: the running back or they tighten down field. So but

628
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: if now you have that box checked with all the

629
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: athleticism of an Isaiah Simmons or Jordan Hicks or a

630
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Xavin Collins, then Jordan Hicks can just be the guy

631
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: calling the defense, get everyone in place, and being the

632
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: run stuffing, heat seeking missile who knows where to be

633
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: and when and when to get there and with all

634
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: those instincts. I think that can only benefit the Cardinals defense.

635
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: That's the silver lining of this entire situation in that

636
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: linebacker group, right that they all compliment each other pretty well.

637
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, you have Jordan Hicks being pretty efficient against

638
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, the run game, and you have Isaiah Simmons

639
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Speaker 1: and Xavin Collins who all have different skill sets but

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Speaker 1: at the same time, they're fast, they can cover sideline

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Speaker 1: the sideline, they're athletic things that, like you mentioned, Jordan

642
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Speaker 1: Hicks obviously struggled with that times last season. So if

643
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Speaker 1: we're trying to look at the positive things, guys, you know,

644
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Speaker 1: I saw an opportunity to jump on this podcast and

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, can I talk to Darren? I need

646
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Speaker 1: to pitch something to him. So I was just like

647
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Speaker 1: I took advantage of the opportunity, similar to how this

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Speaker 1: defense is doing, you know, finding the strengths of Jordan

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Speaker 1: HIGs and complimenting that with the Zaban Collins and Isaiah

650
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Speaker 1: Simmons of the world. You gotta you start thinking about

651
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: it again. They gotta be healthy. And right now we're

652
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: still waiting for Chandler Jones to get back to full strength.

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Speaker 1: We're still waiting for Marcus Golden. They got a couple

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Speaker 1: of safeties that are down. But you start thinking if

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Speaker 1: they can have health they I mean, you got an

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Speaker 1: outside linebacker. You got Jones and Golden and Cannard and

657
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Speaker 1: maybe you Simmons out there a little bit. You're you're

658
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Speaker 1: pretty nice and inside linebacker assuming back on the field.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect him anytime soon. But I didn't even

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Speaker 1: expect him on the field right in August at all.

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Speaker 1: So and you know, you have a nice defensive line room. Again,

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Speaker 1: all those guys need to come back healthy. The cornerbacks

663
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: have been better than I expected, especially Marco Wilson, and

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Speaker 1: you start wondering how much of a push of playtime

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Speaker 1: he gives in out again. Some of these guys, I

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Speaker 1: got to see them when they're playing games that count.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the preseason, when you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: young linebackers, when you talk about Marco Wilson, you know

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Speaker 1: how Simmons on the outside. Sometimes you know, you got

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Speaker 1: to be able to see how they're going to hold

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Speaker 1: up and when teams are game planning to try and

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Speaker 1: exploit that. But you know, I, how do you not

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Speaker 1: like this defense? We talk, we talk all we want about,

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Speaker 1: you know, what the offense didn't do or what we're

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Speaker 1: expecting the offense. And I feel like the defense is

676
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Speaker 1: a little bit under the radar, and maybe this defense

677
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: is the strength of the team. Who knows, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to hit zoom out. As we near

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Speaker 1: the end of camp here on Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation. We entered Cardinals camp, but

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Speaker 1: I think everyone was wondering about the cornerback room, right, agreed,

682
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Speaker 1: of course. And everyone also thought that the strength of

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Speaker 1: this team perhaps was the offensive line room. Here we

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Speaker 1: are towards the end of August, I'm wondering a little

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00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: bit about the offensive line, little bit little bit, and

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Speaker 1: the cornerback room I'm more than confident in because you're

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Speaker 1: right Darren and I had to tell Craig Grilla was

688
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Speaker 1: much yesterday and Camp confidential that this segment on cornerbacks

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Speaker 1: is brought to you by the number four. The Cardinals

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Speaker 1: do have four cornerbacks because the fourth rounder Marco Wilson

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Speaker 1: appears to be legit. And that's not me talking. You

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Speaker 1: talked to some of the receivers. Christian Kirk on the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage told us as much, saying, you know

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Speaker 1: how you know he's legit. He hasn't been burned, he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been embarrassed, he hasn't been schooled. He makes every

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Speaker 1: single throw a contested catch. He's always right there, doesn't

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Speaker 1: always make every play. And obviously this is camp. But

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Speaker 1: if and then if you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus rankings, which you take with a grain

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Speaker 1: of salt, how is it that Buddha Baker gonna be

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth best player in the NFL but he was

702
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Speaker 1: the sixteenth best safety in an offseason ranking by this

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Speaker 1: is this is where we have a little bit about

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if Kyle was here, this would

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Speaker 1: change some things. Philippe is not Kyle. It's a different

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Speaker 1: kind of We're not going to get deep into the

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Speaker 1: pro football focus at this point. But I see what

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Speaker 1: you're saying. So so, Marco Wilson has been graded highly

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Speaker 1: and by some of the athletics services. Okay, but you

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Speaker 1: don't need the numbers to tell you what your eyes

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Speaker 1: tell you. And you guys have seen every practice like

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Speaker 1: I have. I mean, he's out of here approving he belongs.

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Speaker 1: Talking about Kyle there And I tweeted on my account,

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Speaker 1: what should we talk about on the car on car

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Speaker 1: twitter handle? You can't mention it without dropping the Twitter

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Speaker 1: handle gifts and you know who replied to me Kyle Kyle,

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Speaker 1: and he said analytics, bro. And I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I need to focus on the votecal before I get

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Speaker 1: to to that point. But Kyle sitting at home. What

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Speaker 1: else is he doing? He's working from home, you know,

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Speaker 1: so of course all the community saving all the commute time.

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Speaker 1: Just to be snarky online, I did see a you

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Speaker 1: know again, not getting too deep into it, but there

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Speaker 1: was a play where Marco Wilson was covering DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: in practice and Hopkins ended up making the catch, but

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Speaker 1: Wilson was in a great place to break it up.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you the idea that even the

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Speaker 1: plays where he is giving a completion, he's in the

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Speaker 1: play and it's not really bad. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a huge thing. Um. So I am curious to

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Speaker 1: see how that plays out. Although I will say, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I want to kind of wheel back to this offensive

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Speaker 1: line concern of you know what exactly we're talking about here? Well,

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Speaker 1: is it because of the health or because of the

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Speaker 1: right guard thing, or I mean, do we all believe

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Speaker 1: another show hands here? Do you believe in the opp

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Speaker 1: There we go pause, start off the question by saying

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Speaker 1: cap or no cap real or not real. Darren's not

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Speaker 1: the only one that could be obstinate real or not real.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing off Kyler's vernacular in the preseason real or

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Speaker 1: not real cohesion and chemistry for an offensive line. Because

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Speaker 1: they have been had the same five guys for more

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Speaker 1: than two days in a row, it's been a revolving

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Speaker 1: door out there. The guards have been you know, between

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Speaker 1: the right guard situation and then the left guard COVID situation.

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Speaker 1: Right tackle was impacted a little bit. The only even

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Speaker 1: center right sixty one, Roddy Hudson has been hit or

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Speaker 1: miss at times the last couple of weeks. He's been solid,

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Speaker 1: He's been there in terms of attendance, but DJ Humphrey

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Speaker 1: has been the only constant. Well, I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: but I think in the world that we live in,

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Speaker 1: especially with the COVID stuff, I mean, and you see

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Speaker 1: it around the league. I mean, we're gonna have that

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Speaker 1: this year. Even with the vaccinations, We're gonna have players

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Speaker 1: missing a little bit of time. Now hopefully it's less.

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Speaker 1: But the unfortunate part about this delta variant is is

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Speaker 1: that unfortunately vaccinated people are still getting hit with it.

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Speaker 1: And again, the vaccine's about making sure you don't get

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Speaker 1: super sick. Not necessarily that you were never going to

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Speaker 1: get it, but if you do get it, you can't

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Speaker 1: have it around other people. And that's where Justin Pugh

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Speaker 1: is right now, and that's why it's tougher. And I

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Speaker 1: think again, I I like some of the depth they

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Speaker 1: put together on the offensive line. The Hudson thing would

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Speaker 1: worry me. I think Max Garcia is a solid backup.

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Speaker 1: But the whole reason you had high hopes about the

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Speaker 1: offensive line was getting Rodney Hudson. So he's got to

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Speaker 1: stay in there, and you don't want to lose your

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Speaker 1: left tackle either. But the chemistry thing, I'm not super

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Speaker 1: worried about as much. I just I'm not. I probably

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Speaker 1: should be maybe, but I'm not. I'm conflicted because this

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Speaker 1: is where I asked myself what this offensive line benefit

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Speaker 1: from seeing a couple of offensive series during the preseason,

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Speaker 1: But then asked I tell myself, well, you don't want

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Speaker 1: them to get potentially injured or something happened where they'll

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Speaker 1: miss some weeks in the during the actual regular season.

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Speaker 1: But Rodney Hudson is what eight nine year veteran in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean he has a rips. Obviously, Cliff

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Speaker 1: kings Kingsbury's offense is different from what he's seen in

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Speaker 1: the pass and he alluded to that during one of

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Speaker 1: his press conferences. But these guys are veterans in the league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna benefit a little bit more

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Speaker 1: and a ton more if they see a couple of

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Speaker 1: drives in the preseason. I think they got the timing down,

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Speaker 1: they got the knowledge, the experience of being alignment in

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Speaker 1: the NFL that come Week one, you don't think Rodney

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Speaker 1: Hudson is going to be fired up. You don't think

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Speaker 1: Justin Pugh's gonna come back ready or the rest of

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. I mean, I guess for me, Paul,

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Speaker 1: are you saying you wish they could play more preseason games?

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Speaker 1: Are you just talking about practice time together. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: mainly about practice time because the reps are so limited.

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Speaker 1: Whatever preseason action they do. Get I know they had

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Speaker 1: three series, but they all went three and out. I

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Speaker 1: get that what we have seen of the first team

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Speaker 1: offensive line in the preseason hasn't been overwhelming, hasn't been stellar, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean in terms of mormants, and I grate that

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Speaker 1: just on one on one pass blocking and stuff that

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with scheming. Here's here's another question.

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Speaker 1: Because of all this in the revolving door, the in

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Speaker 1: and out and guys being out for extended periods, who's

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Speaker 1: the best right guard on this team? If there's one

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Speaker 1: legitimate question that's still hanging out there, who is the

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Speaker 1: starting right guard on this team? Do you think they

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Speaker 1: already know? No? Do you I think so. I think

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Speaker 1: they're going with Justin Murray. They just haven't announced it yet,

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Speaker 1: That's what I think. And Brian Winners will get a

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Speaker 1: chance to take that spot just because he has the experience.

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Speaker 1: But I could be convinced that they don't know yet,

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Speaker 1: and all three of those guys will get significant snaps

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Speaker 1: against the Saints, just as they can get a sense,

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Speaker 1: especially Brian Winners. What do they know about Brian Winners

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Speaker 1: as of right now. Yeah, he's got plenty of film

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Speaker 1: in his NFL career. I get it. He's a tested veteran.

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Speaker 1: He also was in and out of the lineup a

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00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: year ago for the Bills, So where is he at

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Speaker 1: his age? Your skills can deteriorate quickly, so one offseason

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Speaker 1: can be the end of your career. So I think

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Speaker 1: they have to figure out, especially with Brian Winners. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he got two or three drives

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Speaker 1: or New Orleans. What gives you the confidence to say

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Speaker 1: justesse Mary though? If we haven't If you've talked about

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Speaker 1: how we haven't seen certain offensive linemens during practice or

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Speaker 1: during the preseason, I haven't necessarily seen enough of Justessemary

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Speaker 1: throughout the entire preseason. I'd say Coogs has seen enough

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Speaker 1: of him the last two years. Yeah, just just based

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Speaker 1: on and the fact he's still in the prime of it.

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Speaker 1: If there's anybody that they know that hasn't practiced. He's

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Speaker 1: that guy, Justin Murray. And I'm talking about pretty much everybody.

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe Chandler Jones. They know Chandler Jones, but

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Speaker 1: in terms of most of these guys that have missed

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Speaker 1: significant time, I think they were probably be the most

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Speaker 1: comfortable with Justin Murray because he's played so many regular

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Speaker 1: season snaps already for them. And I mean, if I

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Speaker 1: had to lay a bet, I would say Justin Murray

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Speaker 1: is the guy I just don't know. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Josh Jones has made. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what kind of progress he's made. He's had to be

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Speaker 1: in there because the other two guys have been hurt,

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Speaker 1: so he was gonna play regardless, and it's good. That's

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Speaker 1: that was the whole point. Let's get him in here,

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Speaker 1: play with the ones, play with the twos, get him

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Speaker 1: lots and lots of reps, a guard, um, we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens. I think I would still lay money on

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Speaker 1: on Justin Murray. And then the question becomes, though, how

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Speaker 1: many offensive lineman might you keep? You know, Brian Winners

847
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Speaker 1: is on such a contract that it's not a lock

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Speaker 1: that he's on this team. Um. You know, so you

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Speaker 1: start wondering yourself, Okay, who who's gonna do? Who's gonna

850
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: be what? You know, what do you do with Sean Harlow,

851
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Who's gonna start for Justin Pugh? Because Pugh's gonna miss

852
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: the Saints game and he's been almost exclusively at left guard.

853
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: You feel comfortable enough that Winners could play left guard

854
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: if you let Harlow go and kept Winners is one

855
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: of those guys, and Josh Jones is another swing guy.

856
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's choices you're gonna have to make

857
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: it and when you are thinking about this fifty three

858
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: man roster, there's a lot of balance you've got to

859
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: find in terms of, okay, what are we going to do?

860
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: Are we keeping four running backs? You know how many

861
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: of these guys are Jeff Rogers specials who are essentially

862
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster because he wants them

863
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: for special teams And they wouldn't have necessarily beaten out

864
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: player X for at his position, but they want them

865
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: for special teams. So now he's on there. I mean,

866
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: it always comes down to when you start doing that

867
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: kind of math, you always end up with like fifty

868
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: six so you got to figure out who those three

869
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: guys are that you're knocking off. I'll take a stab

870
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: at it. I'll say nine offensive lineman. You have your

871
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: starters left or right. DJ Humphries, Justin Pugh, Rodney Hudson,

872
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Justin Murray, and Kelvin Beecher right. The other two right

873
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: guards make this team that Brian Winners and Josh Jones

874
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: could swing a tackle exactly. Max Garcia is on this team.

875
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: That's eight. Okay, the ninth spot to be determined and

876
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: at this point, unless someone a big name gets released

877
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: that you like, that's out on the street. I think

878
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: Sean Harlow has made this team as an outsider, so

879
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: you're getting You're comfortable then with Josh Jones being your

880
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: backup tackle when he's played guard the entire camp. Yes,

881
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: that is that is the potential risk. And why I

882
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: say if there's a tackle that ends up on the

883
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: street after final cutdowns August thirty first, then Sean Harlow

884
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: out veteran tackle possible. But they didn't you say that.

885
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: The reason you like just some Marry is because he's

886
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: so familiar with the offense right and you can play

887
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: tackle as well, which he did two years ago. Yeah,

888
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: so then, and with Josh Jones being a tackle even

889
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: though he hasn't necessarily seen that much time, but that

890
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: that he's new to guard. Yeah, you know he spent

891
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: his whole life at tackle. I mean you're starting right

892
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: in the reality is if DJ Humphreys gets hurt, your

893
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: offensive lineman isn't a world hurt anyway? Oh boy, not

894
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: good Wood and that one over there is By the way.

895
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries should have a new incentive is his contract.

896
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: Every time he breaks up a fight, he should get

897
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: some sort of my terry reward. I've got three. I've

898
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: got three fights broken up by DJ Humphries in this

899
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: camp if we were able, if we were able to

900
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: report on that's that's what I would say. I like

901
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: him more that he makes humor out of it. You know,

902
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: he remember and one of those situations he started pretending

903
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: he was doing some karate moves and stuff like them.

904
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: How can you take this guy serious if you're in

905
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: the middle of this, he goes in and to diffuse

906
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: the fight, he makes everyone laugh. Yeah, you're right, it's

907
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: well done by DJ Humphrees. I should be another incentive.

908
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: How many times does humphries, make people laugh, things of

909
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: that nature. He'd be rich. You want some sparks, Here's

910
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: what you do. This is how you solve the backup

911
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: offensive lineman question. Yeah, is in the last padded practice

912
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: of the week on Wednesday, old line D line one

913
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: on one drills sick JJ Watt. I'm both Justin Murray

914
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: and Josh Jones and Brian Winners one after another. Get

915
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: down on film and figure out who was able to

916
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: block JJ Watt the best. Hey, you get a sense

917
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: of where ninety nine is because he's new to practice

918
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: this week, and then b figure out, especially Brian Winters.

919
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: You haven't seen full contact, full goal football yet and

920
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: you see where he's at. And I honestly, I think

921
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: all eyes are going to be in that old line

922
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: D line drill and some of those guys in question

923
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: we just named are probably gonna get their share of reps.

924
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: It's possible, I mean, if they end up doing that stuff.

925
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it is good to see wat back out there,

926
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: and he was already doing more than he expected on

927
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: his first day. And I do think it is funny

928
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: when you see him out there, guys, whether it's an

929
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: individual drills or anything else, the team just looks different.

930
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: He's got a vibe to him that you can just tell.

931
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: You can see the ninety nine and you see the

932
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: big elbow brace, and you just see the mountain of

933
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: the man that he is, and it changes the dynamic,

934
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: the prism that you see that defense when he's out

935
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: on the field compared to when he's not. He just

936
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: he does that. Darren. I like how you mentioned them

937
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: because I'm a big Game of Thrones Game of Thrones fan,

938
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: and there's and you guys, none of you guys watched

939
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones a little bit here and there. I

940
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: never got it. There's a guy named the Mountain on

941
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: and basically the same exact bill as JJ. So when

942
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Mountain, I've been around Leonard Davis, who

943
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: as big as JJ is, nobody was ever as big

944
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: to me as Leonard was. Just the square footage in

945
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: the body mass on Leonard Davis is unmatched. Yes, there

946
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: are guys taller Calais Campbell, but just in terms of

947
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: the sheer immensity of man, Leonard Davis takes the case

948
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: does not, but JJ Watt is pretty up there. I

949
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: would say, by the way, the mountain, you see that

950
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: the guy from Iceland who is also the world's strongest

951
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: man can exactly I've seen that guy. Yeah he yeah,

952
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: you just said you watched well, no, I saw him

953
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: like a strong man contest around. He was, but he's

954
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: the he's like six nine four fifty. I mean absurd,

955
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: basically mess I mean, I mean no, I'm talking to legit,

956
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: six nine four fifty, Like, go find an industrial scale

957
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: away this guy, because sixty how many Paul Calvis? Is that? Wait? Okay, somebody,

958
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: oh Jim Momhandro, please edit that out. That's slander. Once again,

959
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: that's slander. Fine, you're not seeing with some of the

960
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: fine diminutive America. Don't make me bring up Greg Dortch

961
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: round here what Greg Dortch is doing in this? In

962
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: this I'm okay with that. Of a camp is all right?

963
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: So the receiver room because it's quote end quote a

964
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: big week for Andy Isabella. Yeah, I mean, come on,

965
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: is Annymire gonna argue with me? Here's your receiver room,

966
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: here's your final six DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, Christian Kirk

967
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: Rondale more, Andy Isabella, Keishawn Johnson. Is anybody willing to

968
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: bet Pauly prop bet since it's coming to weeks and

969
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: counting Paul prop Beett, there'll be another name, receiver name

970
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: that makes a final fifty three real or not real, fullype,

971
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: I think it's Cap because Cab again I'm translating Cab

972
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: is not real because I think what I've seen from

973
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: someone like Anton Wesley throughout training camp, I think puts

974
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: him in the mix for that last receiver spot. I mean,

975
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: he's he's put up tremendous performances that obviously we can't

976
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: necessarily touch on because they're they were during closed portions

977
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: of practice. But you know, his separation from the line

978
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: of scrimmage against And the funny part is the first

979
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: two weeks of camp, I told myself, well, he's not

980
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: going against you know, the Malcolm Butler's the Robbert alfredge

981
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: of the world. But then in these last two weeks specifically,

982
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: I see I saw him line up against Robert Alfred,

983
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I saw him line up against Malcolm Butler, and he

984
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: was still performing at that same high level that that

985
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I alluded to. So I think if there is a

986
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: wide receiver that can be knocking on the door to

987
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: get that sixth spot, maybe instead of of an Andy

988
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Isabella instead of a Keshan Johnson, it would be Anton Wesley.

989
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: I would say, if if we're if we're talking about wagering,

990
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: which I don't wager, but if we were talking about wagering, uh,

991
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: and I was to do it, like if we were talking,

992
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I would need heavy odds on this because I think generally,

993
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna end up being right, and these

994
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: other receivers would probably end up practice squad potentials. But

995
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: I would think that I see what you're saying about Wesley,

996
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: I don't. The thing is is they still haven't seen

997
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: him do it necessarily in a game, Like if you

998
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: would have made that unbelievable catch that he almost made

999
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: the other day. Um, let's see. To me, Dorsch is

1000
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 1: ahead in that regard. Now. I don't think he's necessarily

1001
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: absolutely pushing for something. But if you did decide, for

1002
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: whatever reason to move on for Andy Isabella, and I'm

1003
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: stating for the record, I do not think they are

1004
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: going to, then then maybe it makes sense to have

1005
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Dortsche there who can return punts and return kicks and

1006
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: and maybe make some places, you know, maybe be that

1007
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: guy that Isabella quite hasn't been. I don't know. I

1008
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: think ultimately, though, Paul, I think you're right. I think

1009
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be those six guys. I think they'll

1010
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: have a couple of these guys on practice squad, uh

1011
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: And we're gonna have one more go round at least

1012
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: for Isabella and Keishan and see if they can kind

1013
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: of move up the ranks, because they've kind of gotten

1014
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: to this place where it's like they're good enough to

1015
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: be around, but they're not good enough to get any

1016
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: playing time. And we'll kind of see how that goes

1017
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: if they The only thing that could possibly complicate that

1018
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: picture and make my statement cap state is if don't

1019
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: act so surprise is if Keishawn Johnson fails as a gunner,

1020
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: If Keishawn Johnson all of a sudden loses confidence as

1021
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: a gunner and his special team's prowess by the special

1022
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: teams Cord or Jeff Rogers, then guess what he could

1023
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: be in Jeffardy. But see again, that's that's the that's

1024
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: the tough part of when we start doing these right,

1025
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: we all want to do roster breakdowns, and we all

1026
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: want to go position by position, and ultimately the special

1027
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: teams play such a huge role in it. And that's

1028
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: the part that those of us who watch usually know

1029
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: the least about, because one they don't really you don't

1030
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of it in practice, not

1031
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: full speed. Not to really know, you'd have to really

1032
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: break down game film. And even then it's a little

1033
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: bit tougher and you don't know exactly what everybody's thinking.

1034
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. I mean to lose Trent

1035
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: Shirfield in free agency, who they didn't see him as

1036
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, which is interesting because you might end

1037
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: up as like a number three or number four in

1038
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: San Francisco, although I don't think the receiver room is

1039
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: nearly as good as this one nine or receivers try

1040
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: and catch the ball um that would help. But but

1041
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: he was clearly one of the best special teamers and

1042
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: I know Jeff Rogers would have loved to keep him.

1043
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: And now you're right, you have a gunner role that

1044
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: Trent Shirfield did and did very well. And then who's

1045
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: doing that who what defensive back or what wide receiver

1046
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: might be that guy? And they're giving Keyshan a shot

1047
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: at it. I think they might give Isabella shot at it.

1048
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: But I remember last year a couple of times when

1049
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: Isabella was a gunner. One time in New England especially,

1050
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: I think he overran he was gunning and he overran

1051
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: a play, and I'm like, you've got to be You've

1052
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: got to get Jeff Rodgers to have that comfortability factor

1053
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: in there, and that's a that's a tough thing, and

1054
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: I think that's something else to watch in this last

1055
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: preseason game. Isabella is gonna get reps. Keishn Johnson's gonna

1056
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: get reps. You might want to watch as much as

1057
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: you're watching the offensive plays when they're out there, watch

1058
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing on special teams. I'll tell you what,

1059
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Speaker 1: Watch four receivers, Isabella, Keishawn Johnson, then watch Antoine Wesley,

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00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: watch Greg Dorche, because guess what if the top four

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Speaker 1: receivers aren't playing, and you might see a few reps

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00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: from rondelmore, we'll see I firmly believe Cliff Kingsbury has

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00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: tried to get a few things on film with eighty

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00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: five to try and wait a minute, eighty five is

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00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: not accurate anymore? Is it breaking news here? On Cardinals Underground?

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00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: Who's going to reveal another number? Change here? Another number?

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00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: It was? It was very interesting that veteran punter Andy Lee,

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Speaker 1: who just changed the number four a couple of years ago,

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00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: apparently has decided that he would be nice and give

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: up number four. So Rondel Moore is taking number four

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00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: his college number, and Andy Lee is going to fourteen.

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00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: I need to get Andy Lease some Starbucks or something

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00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: that's nice. Couldn't they have waited until PAULI play by

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00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: play calls the Saints games before they made yet another

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00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: number change. Were you worried about mistaking rondel Moore? Fantine,

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna jack that up. We'll see. I gotta, I

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00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: gotta start practicing right now. I thought professionals like yourself,

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00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: you just Dave Pash wouldn't have any problem with that.

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00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: All that hurts. That hurts, that's you know he did.

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: He pulled out the Dave passion. It's uncalled for. It.

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00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Dave Pash calls an NFL game on Sunday, a college

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00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: basketball game on Monday or Tuesday, an NBA game on

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00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: a Wednesday or Thursday, another college football game on Saturday,

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: comes back to the Cardinals game on Sunday, and he

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00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: doesn't miss a single name or that's not called for.

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00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's missed one. I'm sure it's all spotters.

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00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: It's nothing to do with Dave. It's just ESPN spotters

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00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: and make the best spotters in the league. He's got

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00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: a prompter. We all know I'm gonna blow the cover

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Speaker 1: off that he's got a prompter. He's working from a

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00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: prompter of the entire time. So I'm just saying, what

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00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: could happen is you got your eyes on Andy Isabella

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00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: and Keishawn Johnson. While the top four receivers are not playing,

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00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: they guess what, Greg Dorch and Antoine Wesley are getting

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00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: a lot of reps. Yeah, and if those guys are

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00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: productive and start making a lot of catches against the Saints,

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00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: that could be Could I say it? No bueno for

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00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals? Could I go there? Perfect? Because and

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00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Steve comes like, no, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to slip this westleyan Dorch guy into the practice squad,

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00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: and now they've got film making catches what we've seen

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00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: to practice every day. Maybe. But again, here's the thing

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00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: about that is, like, I know, guys get cut and

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00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: they get claimed on waivers, but if you look at

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00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: the vast majority of guys don't. And when you start

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00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: talking about having to claim a guy and keep them

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00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: for your first three weeks on your fifth three man roster,

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00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: you better be awful sure. And a receiver who, by

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00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: the way, doesn't know your playbook at all, so you're

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00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: bringing him in ice cold, you better be awful sure

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00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: about taking him. And that's why I just feel like

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00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: most of the time that just doesn't happen. That but

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00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: he has that Texas anton Wesley has that Texas Tech

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00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: Kingsbury background. Yet you don't, you guys, think that would

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00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: benefit him, benefit him, because honestly, in terms of what

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00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: in terms of I think that the look, I'm not

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00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: saying that Antoine Wesley isn't a guy that they have

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00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: been impressed with some of his moves, but I personally

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00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: think he's probably more of a practice squad candidate. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot has changed that because you know,

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00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: there are short I mean, there's a reason why I

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00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: think he was a seventh round pick when he came out.

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00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: There's a reason why he's not wasn't on a team

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Speaker 1: and got picked up by the Cardinals. You know, I

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00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: think he can improve, But you know the reason I

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00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: like sport and that's why I like Antoine Wesley. They

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00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: have so many smaller receivers. The idea of having a

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00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: bigger one round, even if it's just the practice squad,

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: makes a lot of Well have you guys seen from

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00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: Keshan and Andy though? That gives you the confidence to

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00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: say they could make this roster. I mean you, I

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00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: personally haven't been that impressed with those two wide receivers.

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00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: But again, Keishan last year he was dealing with the

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00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: injury and then the COVID situation, situation. Andy Sabella was

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00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: a healthy scratch towards a late late last season. So

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: that's the only question that goes to I mean, ultimately,

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: I think part of it is they still see potential

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00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: in Andy Isabella and he was a second round pick,

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00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: and you can say what you want, Philipe that I

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00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: feel like that, especially three years in, that still carries

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00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of weight. The other Keyshan here's a

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00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: guy who he's close with, Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is

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00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: comfortable with Keishawan Johnson, and that doesn't necessarily mean he'll

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00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: be on the field all the time. But you know,

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00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: if you've got a guy down on the depth chart,

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: maybe a guy that you know is comfortable with a

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00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: quarterback and the quarterbacks comfortable with him. That also makes

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00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: some sense. Well, in de weighing on your question, I

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: think that Cardinals think a full year under the tutelage

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00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: of Sean Jefferson, the new position coach will serve Andy Isabella. Well,

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00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: I see that, and I could see them. Okay, we

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: got a second round pick in this kid, Let's give

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00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: him your number three with a new position coach who

1154
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: maybe can go a long way in bolstering the thing

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00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella needs help with the most and that's his

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00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: confidence level. When Andy Isabella has performed and been productive,

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00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: what have we heard from him? I feel confident and then,

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00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: for whatever reason it's the mental side of the game,

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00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: he'll lose confidence, and then he loses playing time and

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00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: he even loses being active on game day. To your point,

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00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: and I was going to say too, that where it's

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of this catch twenty two where all it takes

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00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: with everything Andy Isabella has been through is one bad player,

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00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: one struggle of a game. And you know these guys,

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: I'll say, they don't listen to the noise. It's hard

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00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: not to into the noise. It's hard for your parents

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: not to listen to the noise or friends or like

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: you know about it. And the reality is is unless

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: he does something great, people want to bag on him.

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00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: And so that's that's tough on a confidence when you

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00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: you don't really have any room for error before you

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: start feeling like everybody's saying you're no good, you know,

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00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: because people have been talking about Andy on all social platforms. Yeah,

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00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: I remember a specific day in camp where, coming off

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00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: all the noise and all the talk that I'm pretty

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00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: sure he was looking at or hearing or whatnot, he

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00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: performed pretty well and then he got hit with you know,

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: the COVID situation and then so I think this might

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00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: be one of the biggest preseason games in Cardinals history

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00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: for guys like for him for sure. You know, as

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: long as we're talking about receivers and we took a

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00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: shot at the Niners receiving group, can can I just

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: make sure it's equal opportunity and take a shot at

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00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: the Seahawks for a minute. If you want to the

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00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: top one hundred, how is dk Metcalf number twenty two?

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01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: You tell me Dk Metcalf is better than Devin White

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: or Lamar Jackson Nick Chubb that he's seventeen places better

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01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: than Kyler in the NFL Top one hundred landscape, better

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01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: than Quenton Nelson or Joey Bosa. DK Metcalf isn't even

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Speaker 1: the best receiver on his team. Tyler Lockett, I think

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01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: is a better receiver. Do you see what Tyler Lockett

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01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: did in two games against the Cardinals last year? I did.

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: I was there. I mean, we're doing this Cardinals Classic,

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01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: and you forget that overtime win at home against CTLE.

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01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett had fifteen for two hundred yards and three touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And in that game, DK Metcalf had two catchers for

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01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: like twenty three yards. So I just the whole DK.

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: The D and DK stands for like delirious at this

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01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: point when all the hype and the pub around this guy.

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01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: Nice player, great pick, great pick after Andy Isabella, I get,

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01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: but he's not number twenty two in the NFL when

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: it comes to the top one hundred less. Let's pump

1203
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: our brakes a little bit on that is anybody with me,

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01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: I would tend to be with you. Just thought i'd

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: throw that. I mean. Patrick Peterson's two best games last

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01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: year were against Honestly, he's always been a matchup guy though,

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01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know, but everyone loves him chasing down

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: Buddha and everyone loves him running with a one hundred

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01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: meter you know, sprinter team or whatever where he got trounced,

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Speaker 1: and that with all the other players, I mean, those

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Speaker 1: are players that are voting here. That's true, That's true.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's what I had written down. I think

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: that NFL, out of all the rankings that you see

1214
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: through the wout Twitter, throughout the internet and whennot, I

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01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: think this NFL Top one hundred is one of the

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Speaker 1: most credible. I wouldn't say it's always accurate, but I

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: mean the first I've seen players voting on it, and

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Speaker 1: it's the half filled ballots and here's you have twenty

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Speaker 1: spots and I'm going to fill out five of them.

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Speaker 1: That makes a little tougher. So, as we wrap up

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Speaker 1: this edition A Cardinal's Underground brought to you by Pacific

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Speaker 1: Office Automation, Larry not feeling the urge, you know? Oh yeah,

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: that was his that his words, right, Oh yeah, I

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01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: just don't feel the urge, Jim. So does that mean

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel the urge until somebody makes me feel

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01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: the urge with a better offer? What I see? What?

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Speaker 1: Why do we go back to moneyay that at all?

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01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: Why would we need to translate? Why why do we

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: just if he's not feeling the urge to play football,

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: that seems pretty straightforward. He's not saying I don't feel

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: the urge because nobody's paying me enough. Well, but if

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Speaker 1: you weren't still open to consideration, wouldn't you say you're retired?

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01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say rate it r our stands are retired

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01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: or or or. He basically knows he's retired and he

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Speaker 1: just can't bring himself to say, which I think is

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01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: a much more likely thing at this point. He just

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01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: doesn't want to absolutely completely shut the door. He wants

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01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: that little sliver of light coming in. So if he

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Speaker 1: has to get up, and because I know the night,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. In the Vikings second preseason game,

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01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: Adam Feeling limped off the field. Limped off the field

1242
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: after four snaps. I hope he was hurt. And everyone

1243
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: who held their breath and they said, oh boy, you

1244
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: know that's the kind of scenario. If that's the kind

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01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: of scenario that materializes, then all of a sudden Rick

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: Spielman is on the horn in Minnesota's own Larry Fitzgerald

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01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: that when we wonder what's Larry waiting for? That could

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: be it a scenario just like that. Pa. There's also

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01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: times where I don't have the urge to go out

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: on a specific Saturday and then them going out a

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01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: couple of hours later as well. So maybe in October

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01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: November gets no cap. There's sometimes it's like noon on

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: a Saturday, and I tell the boys, you know what,

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling it. I don't have the age to

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: go out at ten pm, eleven PM at home at midnight.

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: You're at the age where if you don't go out,

1257
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: you feel like you're missing something. So then but you

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01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: get to the there'll be a certain point in your life.

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01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: I'll say, early to at thirties were your lives. I'm

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01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: not missing a dang thing. I don't need to go

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01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: out every Friday on Saturday night. There's nothing out there

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: that I'm missing. I think it was probably I probably

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: got to my forties, but yeah, really hopefully I get

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Speaker 1: to well wait, wait, you're you're not married yet, though, right, Filippe.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's find out who you get married to

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Speaker 1: and what she thinks about all that. It's true that

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Speaker 1: accelerate the timeline. You're right, what kind of kid you

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Speaker 1: have at home? Well, that's well done. That's good. See

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Speaker 1: you came on Cardinals Underground, Felippe, and you didn't realize

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Speaker 1: you'd get some really good life advice. That's right. That's

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Speaker 1: Uncle Darren vocabulary as well. Okay, that's right. Now, hopefully

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Speaker 1: Darren learned a thing or two about cap or no cab,

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Speaker 1: hopefully by the next episode. I kind of knew Paul

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Speaker 1: was the one that was like, I actually googled it up.

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Speaker 1: I didn't believe you at first. I did google it up.

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Speaker 1: In the Urban Dictionary they say cap is right, it's

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Speaker 1: ronically it's called abans right, like that you even know

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Speaker 1: about that? I mean, come on, how preposters is that

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Speaker 1: that Darren would be the source of all lying. Come on, now,

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Speaker 1: we can't have that. That's what I came on here.

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Speaker 1: I mean to test you guys on the Urban Dictionary lingo,

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Speaker 1: right right, and of that lingo. Yeah, don't want that

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Speaker 1: happen again. Don't mention Urban Dictionary again with Darren around, okay,

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Speaker 1: because because that would be captions underground, perfect,