1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huttle on Giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go, Here we Go on the 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: Giants Moblet, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: by psc and G Energy Efficiency for game time and anytime, 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: visit PSEG dot com slash Giants for discounts, rebates and 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: all energy assessments. In this week's Giants Shuttle, two guys 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: trying to manage kids on spring break. I am John Chulk. 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: You'll enjoyed by Bruce Feldman, who covers the college football 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: for the Athletic End for Fox Sports. Bruce, it's good 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: to talk to you man. How are you. I'm doing well, John, 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Good to be on with you. I love I always 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: love this time of year with the draft and everything 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: else as the run up. He really kicks in the 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: high year. Yeah. Absolutely, And Bruce to two of the 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: favorite pieces in any sport that I enjoy every year 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: is your Freaks List, which comes out in August. We 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: had your back on draft season and August to talk 19 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: about that, and now you have your mock draft that 20 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: comes out in end of March beginning of April and 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: it's really different than other mock drafts that are out there. 22 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: So I'll kind of leave the floor to you. It's 23 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: on the athletic people should go check it out, explain 24 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: your methodology, what you do, and how you go about 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: your only MOB draft of the year. Yeah. So for me, John, 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, coming at it from the college perspective, I've 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: always you know, I love the NFL. I've always been 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: fascinated by the draft. I've been going to the combine 29 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: for probably fifteen years, and so I have you know, 30 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys I know who are in 31 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: the NFL now who had been in college and just 32 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, develop those contacts either through working on the 33 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: Freaks lists or different things. But as it got closer, 34 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times in the last few years, 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: I would hear people go, yeah, they didn't really know 36 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: a lot of the backstory or you know, because I 37 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: feel like on the NFL side, it's more like they're 38 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: busy with the NFL, wh's a much longer season and 39 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: they kind of discover players, you know, really this time 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: of year, whereas I've been immersed in a lot of 41 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: their careers for years, and so I felt like whenever 42 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: a team starts to find out because I've had a 43 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: lot of friends who are really just NFL fans, not 44 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: as much college, and they would ask about players, and 45 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I thought I had this really good access to getting 46 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of intel, and so what I'm really trying 47 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: to do with this draft is whatever, you know. I 48 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: feel like it does well and people want to read 49 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: it now, but I also feel like it's going to 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: hold up when draft day comes. Who is this guy 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: we got and what do we really need to know 52 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: about him? And so what I thought was the best 53 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: barometer or maybe the best indicator for them or something 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: that would fascinate people would be to talk to the 55 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: coaches who've actually played them. So they've scouted them for weeks, 56 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: they've game plans to try to deal with them, and 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: then they've actually played them in the game, so they 58 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: know what they were trying to do to this player, 59 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: or how they were trying to avoid them, or how 60 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: they were trying to, you know, do whatever they could. 61 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: A lot of times with the draft process, you get somebody, 62 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe a scout, evaluating what they see on film, and 63 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: that's that's all good. But I think the idea of 64 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: you have the unique perspective of these guys. And it's 65 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: a lot of coaches I'm talking to. It's not like 66 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking to like one guy who played, you know, 67 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: a tight end or an edge guy or whatever. I'm 68 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: talking in a lot of cases, six or seven guys 69 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: who played these players to get their thoughts. I mean, 70 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: certain guys may love a player and then maybe when 71 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: they played them, maybe they don't love them as much 72 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: as as some of the people who are doing mock 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: drafts too. But I just really wanted to give as 74 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: much of that perspective to people out there. And you know, 75 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: it's been a fun project to work on because a 76 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: lot of times we in the college football media, you know, 77 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: we hear about a certain guy, or maybe we don't 78 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: hear much about him, and then the more you dig in, 79 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: you're like, wow, we maybe missed the boat on this guy. Yeah. 80 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: And what I love about it, Bruce, is that you 81 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: have two, three, sometimes four different takes under each pick, 82 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and it speaks to how subjective scouting is. When you 83 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: have people that are at the top of their industry 84 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: see players, maybe not in completely different ways, but certainly differently. 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: And this is why it kind of drives. You means, 86 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: when people talk about some of these draft space with 87 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: such certainty, then I look at him, like, these are 88 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: guys that prepare for them professionally in college. Did they 89 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: disagree on the players? So no one really knows anything, 90 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: And it's really in the eye of eye of the 91 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: beholder in a lot of ways when you're viewing these players, 92 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: no doubt, and I think some of them, many of 93 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: them are really work in progress guys. Right. So Will 94 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: levis Is is kind of a polarizing subject, and I 95 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: know some of the people I know in the college 96 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: media have been like, why are people talking about like 97 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: he could be a first pick in the draft kind 98 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: of guy at one point this year. And I know 99 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: from following his career but also from talking to coaches 100 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: who played them that when they look at him, Will 101 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: Levis in twenty twenty one was pretty impressive. He did 102 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: not have spring football at Kentucky, just transferred from Penn's State, 103 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: new teammates, new system, Liam Cohen had just got there. 104 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: He did a lot of really good things. Then Liam 105 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: Cohen goes back to the NFL to take a job 106 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: with the Rams. Really, you know, some of the better 107 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: linemen that were in the SEC were at Kentucky. A 108 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: lot of those guys were gone. You had a new 109 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: offensive quardner at Rich Scangarrello who really struggled to kind 110 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: of create an identity for that offense. Wandel Robinson left 111 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: two another guy that was out of there. Yeah, and 112 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: he was really there. There one kind of outside playmaker, 113 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: a slot guy who was really talented. And then they 114 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: had a couple of young receivers who they like, but 115 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: they're really young. Levis was banged up a little bit, 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: and so people who read this story, you know, one 117 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: of the things that you know, Jets fans probably cringe 118 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: at this expression. But like one of the coaches I'd 119 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: talked to said, you know, we thought he was seeing 120 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: ghosts after a while. The seeing ghosts is not something 121 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: you want as a quarterback. And it'll be interesting because 122 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: one of the coaches I talked to you thought, you 123 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: know what, we've seen him do it. We know he 124 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: can do it because of what you saw a lot 125 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: of stuff in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two with 126 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: rich Skangarrello without a good offensive line, he was exposed. 127 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: So you know, like does he go to a system 128 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: and look I'm not just saying this because I you know, 129 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: the logo you have on. Brian dave Ball did an 130 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: amazing job in Buffalo with Josh Allen, who has some similarities, 131 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, like to Anthony Richardson. Both were mid fifty 132 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: completion percentage guys and that scares people. And Josh Allen 133 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: did it against a lot lower competition at Wyoming, and 134 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: Brian dave Ball did a great job managing him. He 135 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: really accentuated the things that he did well and didn't 136 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: major in the things that he struggled with or wasn't 137 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: ready to do. And I think even Daniel Jones similar 138 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: So if you get if you're fortunate enough to get 139 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: to a place where your offensive COORDINATY, your quarterback coach 140 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: isn't so cookie cutter, that I think you have a 141 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: chance because these guys definitely have ability. And when I 142 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: in that case, I'm thinking of Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: especially because I don't think they are as ready to 144 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: go anywhere but and to play right away. Yeah, so 145 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I think why don't we start here then? Because I 146 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: thought one interesting factoid in there is that you talked 147 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people and they like Henn and Hooker 148 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: more than like Will Levis, And no, the Giants are 149 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: going to draft one of those guys. They just gave 150 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones a boatload of money. But maybe there's a 151 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: team that would want to move up to twenty five 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: of one of them still there to get the fifth 153 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: year option on him. Seems like people are really high 154 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: on Hooker, and I guess the only question I'll ask 155 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: on that bruise, I want you to dive into that 156 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: a little bit. But boy, that offense he ran at 157 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: Tennessee looks nothing like an NFL offense and that would 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: scare the hebgb's out of me if I was scouting him. 159 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: But it seems like a lot of people aren't bothered 160 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: by it, you know. And I think you hit on 161 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: of the three things that are question marks with him. 162 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: One he's coming off knee surgery. The other one is 163 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: his age, he's twenty five. The one that I think 164 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: is the hardest work, the hardest projection, though, was the 165 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: one you just talked about. It is at Tennessee, Josh 166 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Hypel's the head coach. It is really a variation or 167 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: the outgrowth of what was Art Brile's old system of Baylor. 168 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: If I say this named Corey Coleman, there's a certain 169 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: group of fans will probably wins at it because he 170 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: was a dominant player in the Big twelve and he 171 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: struggled mightily in the NFL. And I think when you're 172 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: talking about half half field reads, there's not a lot 173 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: of routes that are that look similar to what you're 174 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: seeing maybe in the NFL. I think what does bode 175 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: well for him? When I was in India, I had 176 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: breakfast or a lunch with a NFL quarterback coach who 177 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: I said, Who've impressed you the most of your meetings? 178 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: He said, well, I loved Hendon Hooker. They loved his demeanor. 179 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: They loved not just his understanding of, you know, talking 180 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: through the Tennessee offense, but his first offense, which was 181 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: a Virginia Tech, which was a different offense, and his 182 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: depth of knowledge of that impressed them. And there's a 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: lot of things people like about Hendon Hooker. But there 184 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: is definitely gonna be some learning curve. But because he's 185 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: coming off the you know, the the cl injury, he's 186 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: probably not going to be a guy you're expecting to 187 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: play much as a rookie anyway, So I think there 188 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: is that time where you know, he's not going to 189 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: go to a place that needs him to play right away, 190 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: and I think he will be a value that The 191 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: tricky part, as I looked in the end of the 192 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: first round, or the latter part of it, is there's 193 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: not a lot of teams there with needs for quarterbacks. 194 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, like Cincinnati Bengals are not going to mess 195 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: with a quarterback. Nor should the Chiefs or you know, 196 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: the Eagles, or you kind of go to the list. 197 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of teams there. You could say 198 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: maybe the Vikings could could do it. You know, the 199 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: Bucks are at nineteen. You know, I don't know if 200 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: you're you're messing with Hendon Hooker at nineteen. And also 201 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: I just think that you know, you're still even Washington, 202 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, are they gonna I know there's a little 203 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: bit of you know, they're optimistic about you know, Sam Howell, 204 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: But do you come in and think, all right, we're 205 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: just gonna make a competition with him now? And also 206 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: another rookie who you know, I don't know how how 207 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: wild they're going to be by either of those guys. 208 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm with you he wasn't in your mock. But I 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: wonder you talk about teams discussing the Tennessee offense and 210 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: the routes. How do you think that's going to impact 211 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: how they look at Jalen Hyatt, who I know some 212 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: people have as elite first round thinking, even to a 213 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: lesser extent as his teammates Cedric Tillman. Yeah, I mean, so, 214 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, Tillman was banged up at times. He was 215 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: the guy going into the year that I think people 216 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: looked at, Oh, this is a really good time player, 217 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: and I think he still is. But again, you know, 218 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: Hyatt's explosive. I think there I could see him going 219 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: late in the first round. I don't think you know, 220 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: usually these are deep receiver drafts, and I'm not saying 221 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: this isn't, but I don't feel like this is the 222 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: top you know, the receiver drafts in the past. I 223 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: feel like whether it's Jamar Chase or there were guys 224 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: like Okay, that guy is a definite number one. I 225 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: really like Jackson Smith and Jigba from Ohio State. After that, 226 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: at you know, Zay Flowers. There's a lot of good 227 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: buzz about him. He was one of the more respected 228 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: guys of the coaches I talked to, Jordan Addison is 229 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: really smooth, but he's really slight. You know, they're guys 230 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: who have question marks. One of the guys I saw 231 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: a lot of and he was one of my freaksless guys, 232 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: Clinton Johnston from TCU. It's another one where there's a 233 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: consistency concern. You know, he dropped a bunch of passes. 234 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: There are times where he looks like he could be 235 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: a dominant red zone guy, but then there's other times 236 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not sure that if there's something missing. 237 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, he had he dealt with a high ankle 238 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: last year. He missed, you know, he missed some time. 239 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: Like I think there's there's a handful of receivers in 240 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: there where I'm like okay, And I would put Jalen 241 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: Hide in this where you could see him go okay. 242 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: Does this guy disappear at times as he transitions to 243 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. He definitely has speed. You know, It's like 244 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: it's remember Will Fuller, he came out of Notre Dame. 245 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: I think he's a Philly guy, but like, yeah, and 246 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: he just really like I just one of the scouts 247 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: I know is like will phill or can roll. He's 248 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: just like he had speed that notre Dame guys rarely 249 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: have there. You know, we know they have tight ends 250 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: and linemen and a different offense, and he came out 251 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: of But I again, that's that's what I wonder. Is 252 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: he that guy? Is he a a situation, you know, 253 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: almost like a situation. I'll take the top of the 254 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: top of the defense off. But I'm not sure consistently 255 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: how much you rely on him. That'll be interesting to 256 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: see who who really buys in on him. Yeah, I 257 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: want to follow up on two of the receivers, Bruce, 258 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: because just listen, looking at the captions from from the coaches, 259 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: it seemed like you had a hard time finding somebody 260 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: to say something negative about Jackson, Smith and Jiguin. This 261 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: is not a criticism, by the way, you know, I'm 262 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: going to read a couple of them. I just made 263 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: a couple of notes. Better than Garrett Wilson, better than 264 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Chris Olabway, maybe better than Marvin Harrison Junior, who I 265 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: think some people think might be a top five pick 266 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: next year. Yes, so it seems like college coaches, even 267 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: though he was the Ohio state quote unquote slot guy 268 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: two years ago. They think that he was their best 269 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: option on that alphan. So yeah, I mean he is 270 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: a guy people inside the program told me something similar, 271 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: just in terms of change the direction is elite, elite. 272 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy than those other guys. Somebody else 273 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: had told me they thought he was the alpha of 274 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: that group, you know, and those other two guys had 275 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: thousand yard rookie seasons, um, and they do have good 276 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: ball skills, you know, I think they have more straight 277 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: ahead speed. Certainly a lave kind of can run like 278 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: the wind. But in terms of you know, Brian Hartline, 279 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: who's coached all of those guys, he was like, he's 280 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: pretty much unguardable, and he played in the NFL for 281 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and you know around the league, he knows 282 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: what it looks like. And he was beyond effusive when 283 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: he talked about him as well. So I think if 284 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: you ask me, like, who were the five guys who 285 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I think will and I say a sure pick, sure, 286 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: as close to a sure thing, I would say, guys 287 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: who I don't want to say you are going to 288 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: be a pro bowler because I guess, I mean, I 289 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: don't know you've had a lot of guys who become 290 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: pro bowlers, and maybe that doesn't mean as much, but 291 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: if you ask me, who are guys I could see 292 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: being all pros someday. If there's five of them, I 293 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: would put Jackson, Smith and Jig. But in that group, yeah, 294 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: the others year I want to fallow up with is 295 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: a Flowers because one of the things that they mentioned 296 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: tough kid, hard to double team. This is the one 297 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: that really piqued my interest. Can play outside because the 298 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Giants have a bunch of slock guys Bruce and I 299 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: think personally, I don't know what they think in the 300 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: building necessarily, but I think they need someone that can 301 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: win outside consistently. Despite his height at five nine and 302 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: his lack of length and catch radius. Is he a 303 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: guy from the people you talk to that they think 304 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: can win outside consistently in the NFL because they're having 305 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: guys at that side that have been able to do 306 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: that in the pros. Yeah, I mean you're looking at 307 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: it going the way talk. I don't want to This 308 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: is probably not the right comp but it's like a 309 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: guy everybody was like kind of in Awe of the 310 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: Times with Steve Smith. We're just super tough. I don't 311 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: think he's quite as physical. Yeah, I mean he's like 312 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: street fight physical, right, And but he was another one 313 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: who who like just had so got so much respect 314 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: from people because last year was not the BC line 315 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: that we would come expect. The quarterback was hurt. They 316 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: were just very, very hamstrung, and everybody knew he was 317 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: the guy and he still made a ton of plays. 318 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: And so when I had asked people, I was like, 319 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: who do you like? Wh would you like more? Him 320 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: or Addison? Because Addison before we went to USC was 321 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: one of the bulletinic cough at Pitt And one person 322 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: was like, you know, you gotta remember he had Kenny 323 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Pickett thrown to him. Who's the first round pick? And 324 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: he said, I thought Mark Whipple did a really good 325 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: job when he was the OC there at Pitt. And 326 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: there was a lot of things, and not to take 327 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: anything away from Addison, but I think in some regards 328 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: A Flowers was a little more the one man show. 329 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: They have a good tight end who who's still there? 330 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Who is a Notre dame transfer whom I suspect it 331 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: will be like a mid round pick. But they did 332 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: not have a lot and he still lit teams up 333 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: and I have a ton of respect for him. Again, 334 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if he can if he could consistently 335 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: win outside as in the NFL, I think he could 336 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: do a lot of damage as a slot and they 337 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: can move him around. I have my doubts about what 338 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: you what you asked. I know that the people in 339 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: the acc raved about him, but that's a little bit 340 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: of a different ask to consistent. Not I'm with you, verus, 341 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm with you. It's tough, it's tough, tight ends. Another 342 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: guy that it seemed like you had hard time finding 343 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: somebody saying negative about was Michael Mayer from Notre Dame. 344 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like the NFL crowd and the draft 345 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: crowd is kind of lower on him that I think 346 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: the coaching profession is. I'm going to read some of 347 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: the comments again, elite ball skills hard to double if 348 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: you had to double him, but so couldn't stop him. 349 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: Maybe not great at anything, but very good at everything. 350 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, Jason Winton's the comp for me, 351 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: because you know two way player can catch, can block 352 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: and do all that stuff. Is maybe a little sneaky athletic. Um, 353 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: did you find anyone to say something about Michael Mayer 354 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: that would make you not think he's going to be 355 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: a great pro. No. I think the only thing that 356 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: he has working against him is there's a couple of 357 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: freaky tight ends in this class, right, I mean you 358 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: could you know, Luke Musgrave can run for you know, 359 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: four or five flat and vertical jump forty inches. The 360 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: tight end Zach Kirch from Old Dominion who started out 361 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: at Penn State. He's almost six to eight and he 362 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: can vertical forty and run. You know, he can run 363 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: like the wind. Will Mallory from Miami. He's a good player. 364 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a first round pick, but he 365 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: ran like four or five two and he I think, 366 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: you know, he's another one who runs straight line faster. 367 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: You know. Darnel Washington is the freak of all the 368 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: freaks from from Georgia at sixty seven and you know, 369 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: I think he's like a combination of Marcedes Lewis blocking 370 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: with I don't even know Jimmy Graham's athletic. I don't 371 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: even know where the other half of that is. But 372 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: he's pretty is pretty special. But the people I talked 373 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: to you thought, never mind the forty time in four seven. 374 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: Oh is fine, it's good, it's bad. But they feel 375 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: like he is much more fluid and smooth than he's 376 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: a matchup nightmare. And I think there are certainly tight ends. 377 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: And we see this, you know, not just like you know, 378 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 1: Kelsey's obviously a different kind of athlete, but you know, 379 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: you see George Kittle, you see certain guys where they 380 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: are real difference makers. And I think you got to 381 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: keep in mind he did not have very good quarterbacks 382 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: to play with last year, and they did not have 383 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: much depth at receivers. So we talked a minute ago 384 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: about Zay Flowers being kind of a one man show. 385 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: This Notre Dame offense did not have an outside threat 386 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: of really any any you know, high level caliber, and 387 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: the quarterback play was that best average, if not worse. 388 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: So I give him a lot of credit. I think 389 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: he will be a really, really good NFL pro And 390 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: if he goes fifteen, either's where I have him to 391 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: the Packers. I think Jordan Love will be very happy 392 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: to have him. Yeah. Absolutely one other tight end I 393 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: want to full up with his Dalton Kincaide because Bruce, honestly, 394 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean he and this was the quote from from 395 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: one of the guys you spoke to, and this is 396 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: kind of how I've phrased it. Two he's two forty five, 397 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: but he moves like he's two oh five. I mean, 398 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: this guy, look, you don't want him blocking, we all 399 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: know that, but when you watch him, he looks like 400 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: just a gigantic wide receiver. You mentioned Kelsey before, and 401 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: I hesitate to make any of those types of comparisons. 402 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's a Hall of Famer. What have you gonna 403 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: pick somebody out? Just in terms of the craft as 404 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: a receiver. Dalton Kincaide is special at that size man, 405 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: and it seems like everyone you talk to you seems 406 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: to agree. Yeah, And he has an interesting background. He's 407 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: from little Las Vegas area or from Nevada. He had 408 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: one year of high school football, was really more of 409 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: a basketball player. Went to a non scholarship FCS program, 410 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: University of San Diego, where once upon a time Jim 411 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Arball was the coach, And you know, they've had a 412 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: lot of good coaches come through there. And there's a 413 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: really I did a story in this guy who's the 414 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator William and Mary Now and it's one of 415 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: the most innovative offenses in football, if not the most, 416 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: and he had him as a freshman and he said 417 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: he was his ball skills were ridiculous and he just 418 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: he almost like he was really productive. Their quarterback ended 419 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: up like kicking around professional football for a little while, 420 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: but they knew he was probably way better than you know, 421 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: non scholarship football. He ends up eventually at Utah where 422 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: they have another really good tight end and Brant Keithy, 423 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: who's more h back rank. Keith's you know, not prototypical size, 424 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: but really moves well. And they did a lot of 425 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: funky stuff with those guys. And if you go watch 426 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: the first USC game where they just ate USC upum. 427 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: He was a problem. And I think he was a 428 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: problem for almost everybody. But because he had that background 429 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: where he was not on anybody's you know, radar as 430 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: a recruit, he was went he started out as a 431 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: walk on and then he transferred in and he was also, 432 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: like I said, Brent Keithy was a really really good 433 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: tight end at a place that you know, as it's 434 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: mentioned in the piece on the Athletic that that uh 435 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Andy Ludwig that OC is about as good with tight 436 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: ends you know, formationally and scheme wise as anybody in 437 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: college football. And I think you saw this. This guy 438 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: really flourish. Um. You know again, I would hesitate to 439 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: go to the Kelsey Park just because of you know, 440 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: like you said, he's a Hall of Famer, but it 441 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if he's catches eighty balls a year. 442 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he's that just he's just a natural receiver. 443 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun watching him to play. Notice 444 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: he did not have a guard or center. I don't 445 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: believe Bruce in your first round, which I think is 446 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: interesting because the Giants are in need of a center. 447 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidtz is someone that's kind of sliding a 448 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: little bit. Joe Tittman's maybe sliding a little bit. How 449 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: close were those guys to making the cut in? Did 450 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: you along the way hear anything about those guys that 451 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Giant fans might find interesting? You know, John Michael Schmitts 452 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: has been on a lot of people's radar for a 453 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: couple of years. I remember I did a piece on 454 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl scouting process a year and a half ago, 455 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: and I think they thought he was going to come out, 456 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: and those guys loved him. You know, he was on 457 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: an offensive line that really run blocks really well. But 458 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: they're also you know, he's athletic enough. Timman was on 459 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: my Freaks list. You know, he's super explosive. You know, 460 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: the program itself had an up and down year. I again, 461 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: when the one guy I could see as an interior 462 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna go, He's gonna he's gonna be 463 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: labeled as a tackle. But it wouldn't not surprise me 464 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: if Peter Scronsky, who I could see as a top 465 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: ten pick, eventually ends up inside. So but there are guys. 466 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a really I think one of the 467 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: more underrated guys in this draft. There is a center 468 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: from Troy. Troy had a great year who is a nasty, 469 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: physical guy who's really really smart but really tough, who 470 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: I think could be a you know, a fourth round, 471 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: third fourth round pick. I think there are guys you 472 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: can get that kind of value. Maybe in the middle. 473 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: They're depending on you know, I don't know if they jump, 474 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, reach too high to get maybe one of 475 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: those other centers. But again, the Giants traditionally about a 476 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: lot of love for big ten guys, and those two 477 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: guys are sitting there, and I think they're really solid 478 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: football players. All right, let's jump to the defensive side 479 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: of the ball here, Bruce, and you know, take a 480 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: look at the cornerbacks. The three guys that you have 481 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: gone off the board first seems to be the consensus, 482 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: right Pushi Gonzalez. You know, people described him crazy athlete, 483 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit raw in some areas, but just 484 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: so fluid. Joey Porter junior, long physical press guy. And 485 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: then Devin Witherspoon's the guy that maybe doesn't have all 486 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: the physical characteristics of them, but his tape is awesome 487 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: and people love him as a tough guy. Let me 488 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: guess I'll start here. Any chance any of those three 489 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: guys get all the way to twenty five? Or is 490 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: there just too much love out there for those two 491 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: for them to make it that far? For those times, 492 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: I think there's too much love for those three guys. 493 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: I really do. I'd be surprised if they got out 494 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: at twenty just because I think when one goes, the 495 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: next is gonna go. Agree Like I don't see Witherspoon, 496 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Like Witherspoon's is the guy when I keep coming back 497 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: to who though coaches really respect Witherspoon had Lars guys 498 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: who were like in awe of him, you know, and 499 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: it's like there was a plan and this is not 500 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: a this is like a random name I'm gonna throw 501 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: at you. But years ago, back in like the Michael 502 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: Vick at Virginia Tech days, you know, when they had 503 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: Corey Moore, who is a demon rushing off the end, 504 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: who was an undersized guy, but they had they had 505 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: a cornerback name Ike Charlton, who's like as big as 506 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: their defensive ends, and you would that's the way. That's 507 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: what Weatherspoon looks like. He doesn't. I mean you see 508 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: him in person at the combine and he's five to 509 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: eleven an ish one hundred and eighty pounds, and yet 510 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: that's not what shows up on film. And I remember 511 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: talking to a head coach in the Big Ten and 512 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: he talked about him like he was six foot two 513 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: h five, you know, like you know, Maryland has a 514 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: corner like that. The Maryland is two really good, really 515 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: interesting corners, but the one who probably Jakoyen Bennett, who 516 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: is I think probably a third or fourth maybe fast 517 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: but not as not quite as physical as their boundary corner. 518 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: But like, you know, though, that's a big dude, and 519 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: yet Witherspoon's probably the smallest of all of them stature wise, 520 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: but is the most physical at least of that group. 521 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: Joey Porter Jr. Really improved a lot this year. He 522 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: had a bunch of penalties and was kind of hamsy 523 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. I think he had a penalty 524 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: in the first game, and he had one of their 525 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: penalty the rest of the year. The people I talked 526 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: to liked him a lot more than maybe some of 527 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: the mock drafts did because of his length. I mean, 528 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: you see him in warmups and he is one of like, 529 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: if I had to say, just from being at all 530 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: our big noon games, who were like the five most 531 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: like wow guys. Joey Porter Jr. Was in the warmups 532 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 1: was one of those probably five. And then Christian Gonzalez, 533 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: you know has the track background six one almost two hundred. 534 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: There's a little bit of of he. I think was 535 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: a little more polarizing to the people I talked to 536 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: than some of the draft guys had. There was a 537 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: few people I had. One I talked to an NFL 538 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: coach at the combine who was, like I don't know 539 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: in our division if we could take him. And I 540 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: was like, what is the issue, And he said, we 541 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: got really good running backs in our division. I don't 542 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: know if we can trust. I don't know if he's 543 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: consistent enough. Yeah, And that would surprise me to hear that. 544 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: And then you know, like one of the coaches I 545 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: talked to was and it's in the piece, was like, 546 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: I just our receivers weren't good enough to test him, 547 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: like in terms of some of the change of direction 548 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: stuff that we were skeptical of a little bit. He's 549 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: got great you know, he's got great traits and I 550 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: think he did improve as well. You know, there's another 551 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: cornerback in there that I had him going. He's in 552 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: my mock draft, but not as a first round guy, 553 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: and I included like four or five teams that don't 554 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: have first round picks. And it's the one of the 555 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: guys who I think the coaches I talked to were 556 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: way higher on than the draft chatter is out there. 557 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: And that's Julius Brents from KSE State. He's six three, 558 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: he's two hundred, he's super long, he was really physical 559 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: this year. He's matured a lot from talking to people 560 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: at KSE State. People I talked to him the Big 561 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: Twelve thought he was dramatically improved technique wise this year, 562 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: this past year compared to twenty twenty one. When you 563 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: look at what he did, he didn't run a great 564 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: forty times, it's okay, but his shuttle times, which for 565 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: a guy that stature would be the thing you'd really 566 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: look at. We're only Jackson Jake, but yeah, ran better. 567 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if he ended up in 568 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: the first round, just based on the people I talked 569 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: to I know his When I would talk to some 570 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: of the draft the other some of the guys I 571 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: know who do a lot of mock draft stuff, they're like, yeah, 572 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: third round or someone I was like, Okay, I mean 573 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: that's definitely and I'm not saying my guys are right 574 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: and these guys are wrong, but that definitely didn't line 575 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: up with what I heard from the coaches who saw him. 576 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Another guy you mentioned there is Deante Banks. That's the 577 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: boundary corner for Meryland that you were talking about. He's 578 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: a guy Bruce that I kind of have zeroed in 579 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: on as a potential pick for the Giants because I 580 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: think there's a chance he gets to twenty five. And 581 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: he also played as much press coverage as anyone in Maryland. 582 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: So tell Giant fans what maybe you heard from the 583 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: college coaches and the guys that went up against him 584 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: from his time in Maryland in terms of what he 585 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: brings to the field. You know, he's got a lot 586 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: of physical tools. He is he should have been on 587 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: my Freaks list. I had two other Maryland guys. He's 588 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: one of them. I should have added on. If you 589 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: watch what he did against Ohio State, he's the boundary guy, 590 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: which meant he was going to go up a bunch 591 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: against Marvin Harrison Junior, like you said, and I don't 592 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with it. He could be a top 593 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: five pick next year. He's much bigger than the receiver's 594 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Ohio State has had. You know, he's got Michael Thomas's 595 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: size with much more, much more explosiveness and straight line speed. 596 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: And he did he held his own against you know, 597 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: the most dominant receiver in college football this year, and 598 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: that was and that was more Evan Harrison Junior. So 599 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: I think, you know, if he falls to where the 600 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: Giants are, and I don't think it's fall. I think 601 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: he's in that range because I think there is you know, 602 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't he's surprised if he turned out better than 603 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: a couple of those guys, right, who are in that 604 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: the first three group. I just wonder, you know, are 605 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: we going to see a run? To me, this is 606 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: a really good group of corners because it is a 607 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: deep group. There are guys that, you know, when I 608 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: would talk to some of these coaches, one of the 609 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: last points is I was like, who else do you 610 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: think is really good? And occasionally I get a name 611 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: that nobody was talking about, you know, like there's a 612 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: cornerback at Syracuse that a guy know who has who's 613 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: a really a good dB. Guy was like, I thought 614 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: that guy was really good and I'm looking around and 615 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: he's coming off an injury. But I was like, man, 616 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: Garrett Williams, I think, right, Garrett Williams is the name. Man. Yeah, 617 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody has him going like before, you know, 618 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: in the top hundred. And this guy again, this is 619 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: a college guy who has a big who has an 620 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: NFL dB background, who was more impressed with him than 621 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: he was with a lot of guys in the ACC. 622 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: He was like, what are people saying about him? And 623 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't haven't heard a ton about him 624 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: at all, you know, so and some of us coming 625 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: off injury. But you know, that's why I think there's 626 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: going it's it's funny not to like to produce the show. 627 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: But like the guy if we had this conversation with 628 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: college football media in September, the cornerback that they would 629 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: expect to be the first guy anybody mentioned is Killy 630 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: Ringo from Georgia, who was a five star guy who 631 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: is big with track times, but people like you could 632 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: double move the heck out of him, like there's a 633 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: stiffness concern. And Keilly Ringo also was like one of 634 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: the stars of the National title game when they beat 635 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Bryce Young and Alabama in uh, you know, in twenty 636 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: twenty one season. So and I'm not saying Keithy Ringo 637 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: like if you get him in the second round, he 638 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: couldn't try out to be you know, depending on how 639 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: they play him, couldn't try out to be a really 640 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: really good player. But that would be the corner like 641 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: nobody was talking about Devin Witherspoon, you know, up till 642 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: maybe maybe like Halloween you know, it's just that's that's why, 643 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: like I said, it's fascinating to go talk to the 644 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: coaches and get them to really because they're seeing guys 645 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: in crossover tape, they're playing them, and it's just it's 646 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: it's different level intel than what you know we think 647 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: we hear in the league around here. One more quickly 648 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: in the corners, how much love did you get for 649 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes and Cam Smith talking to people around Those 650 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: are two guys that have kind of hovering at that 651 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: end of the first round area when you talk to 652 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: the draft guys, you're not over the top. I think 653 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: felt like good players maybe you know, obviously Emmanuel Forbes 654 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: isn't you know. We talked a minute ago about Witherspoon 655 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: his size, and I think that is that was a 656 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: little bit of a concern. I mean, you know other 657 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: guys who fit in that category differently. You know, you 658 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: have a super fast corner from Michigan. You wonder about 659 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,239 Speaker 1: the physicality, like I mentioned Jako and Bennett there. I 660 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of guys who fit in 661 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: that second third round range where I think you will 662 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: see really you know, guys who end up starting to 663 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: me this is one of the deep This maybe the 664 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: deepest position in the draft. I'm with you, all right, 665 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: let's go up front on defense, real quick base. We 666 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. This has been unbelievable informations. It's great 667 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: for our fans. And excuse me, A lot of people 668 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: think this is a deep edge class. I agree when 669 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: you get to that, you know, twenty to thirty area 670 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: where the Giants are picking. You know, Nolan Smith is 671 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: a guy that a lot of people talk about him 672 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, but I was wowed when you 673 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: spoke to the coaches about how they talked about his versatility. 674 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: He's more than just a pass rusher. He can cover 675 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: if you need him till he can set the edge. 676 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: Is this a guy that you think maybe he is 677 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: being shoehorned a little bit because of the way he 678 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: was used at Georgia, and maybe he's a little bit 679 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: more in his bag than people are giving him credit for. 680 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: I do think this is one of the recruiting guys 681 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: got right. He was a five start at high school. 682 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: He was, you know, super athlete. I do think. You know, 683 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: the one of the coaches I talked to for that 684 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: story is an SEC East coach, and he talked about 685 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: how violent and how physical. He said, it's like much 686 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: more so than you expect at that size, I wondered, Granted, 687 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,959 Speaker 1: he you know, he ran like a deer at the combine. 688 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: Is he almost too small to go on the top fifteen? Right? 689 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: And you know again, I think one of the comps 690 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: to son Reddick, he's really taken off in Philly? Is 691 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: he that guy? Son Reddick was another freaksless guy for me, 692 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: and you didn't play at the same level in college 693 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: where he was a marked guy. He developed. It wasn't 694 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: like one guy was the five star the other guy 695 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: was kind of a under the radar guy. But whereas 696 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: at Georgia you had so many dudes there. It's I 697 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: think it can give you false reads on a lot 698 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: of guys because maybe they're not having to play fifty 699 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: snaps a game. They're not. They can't be the focal 700 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: point of the opposing scout. I mean, Jellen Carter was, 701 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 1: but like I just felt like, you know, the physicality 702 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: was the part that he really checked the box in 703 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: addition to his running ability. To me, like I Will Anderson, 704 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: I think is one of those guys, like I said, 705 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and jakebo where he's he's as close to 706 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: a can't miss the other Like, I feel like once 707 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: you get to maybe the second round or late first, 708 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: I think there is a run of pretty good edge guys. 709 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't feel like the guys that's that group from 710 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: like after Will Anderson to twenty where I feel like 711 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: there's normally like four guys. I think there's some guys 712 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: that people reach for in that in that level. Yeah, 713 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: I think one of those guys might be Myles Murphy. Right, 714 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: you had him going to twenty four in the mock 715 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I've been kind of whispering around talking 716 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: to people too, and you know, I watched him. And 717 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: when I watched him back in November, Boots, everyone had 718 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: him as a top ten lock right, and I watched it, 719 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, huh really, and you just I'm not quite 720 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: sure what he is. Like he seems like he wants 721 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: to be a speed rusher on the edge, but I 722 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: don't know if he has that in him. He kind 723 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: of plays like a power guy, but he's not overwomanly powerful. 724 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what he is and 725 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: what he's going to be I know, you know, you 726 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: kind of make up a guy like that in the lab. Right, 727 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: that's what a defensive end is supposed to look like. 728 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: But and it seems like that's kind of what you've 729 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: gotten from the coaches you've spoken to, too, right, it is. 730 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: And it was interesting. One of the first guys I 731 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: talked to was in the ACC. Now they had Bradley 732 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: Chubb in that league, and he goes, he was not 733 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb. He is not And that's you know, Bradley 734 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: Chubb is is I don't want to say similar size, 735 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: but like in that range and where he's not Cavon 736 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: Tiboda where he's two hundred and fifty four pounds and 737 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, blow by you with my moves 738 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: and everything. He is a he is a bigger defensive end. 739 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: But you know, these coaches are like, we were not 740 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: having to like game plan around Miles Murphy, you know, 741 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: depending on who you talk to. So like I had 742 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: won to coach say, you know, it wasn't Miles Murphy, 743 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't Bryan Briz. It was you know, um Tyron 744 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: Davis or thirteen. Who was the guy they were who 745 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: gave them the most problem. And when I would ask, 746 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: there's a batch of pass batch of d Lineman, but 747 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: really a batch of pass rushers in the ACC I 748 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: was curious to ask about. And the guy that that 749 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: more than one said they thought was the one they 750 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: feared the most was Yaya, the Yabi from Clemson who 751 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: really exploded this year, whose similar size. Now he lost 752 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: some weight for the combine and ran four or five 753 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: one and has great get off. And I think when 754 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: I said to you a minute ago, John, about how 755 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: I think there are going to be a batch of 756 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: guys late first round, second round who I think could 757 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: really excel the Abbi's that guy. One of those guys, 758 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: Miles Murphy, because I've seen some people have him in 759 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: like what you said, like some people had him eight. 760 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: Some people I'm like somewhere at eight to fifteen. And 761 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,760 Speaker 1: I was like, that's not what I'm hearing. Now, wouldn't 762 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: surprise me if he went there, but from what I've heard, 763 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: like I would be a little more pump the brakes 764 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: on him. Two other guys you had, I think he 765 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: was either in the first round. It might have been 766 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: those teams that don't have a first round pick. Bruce 767 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: very different players. Keyon White, who's two eighty. Is he 768 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: a you know, three or four d n is he 769 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: an edge? Will see? And then Will McDonald, who was 770 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: kind of your classic freaky get off the edge, Ben's 771 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: spin move, you know, fast guy. What are you hearing 772 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: about those two guys in terms of how maybe NFL 773 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: teams might be looking at him? John, I hate to 774 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: do this, but you said Keyon White and then you 775 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: froze for about ten seconds. No, Will McDonald, who's going 776 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: kind that really fast? Very different type of players, right, 777 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: but I think can be used in different ways in 778 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: the pros. Yeah. I think in the case of Keyon White, 779 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: you have a guy who came into Old Dominion as 780 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: a tight end. He moved to the defensive side of 781 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: the ball, tore it up, had a big year with 782 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: a ton of TFLs, and then that was one of 783 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: the programs that didn't played during COVID, and then he 784 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: transferred to Georgia Tech and got hurt. And this year 785 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: he had some moments where I think the things that 786 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: I heard a lot of there's a little bit of like, Okay, 787 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: he is really still finding his way. There's some elite 788 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: traits he plays really hard, he's really strong. I got 789 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: the impression if like he ended up as a two 790 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: hundred ninety five pound guy, they wouldn't be surprised and 791 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: he could carry it. He is definitely fits in that 792 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: category of like, Okay, what is he going to become? 793 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: Because he plays hard and there's a lot to like, 794 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: but he's still really raw. Will McDonald, who's like I 795 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: had him on the Freaks list. I feel like since 796 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: he got to Iowa State, you know, you know, a 797 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: phenomenal change of direction. The thing that I think, you know, 798 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: I would talk to guys in the Big Twelve and 799 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: they thought he was the most disruptive defensive player in 800 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: the league. And I always state did a lot of stuff, 801 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: asked him to do a lot of stuff that at 802 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: whatever he was there, which might have been two thirty 803 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: eight to forty two in that range, he played like 804 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: he was much bigger and really strong, and he held 805 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: up well. He was playing like four eye and five ten, 806 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: but was very weird. Yeah, and he and that's that 807 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: was one of the funkier schemes in the Big twelve. 808 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: And there they were good at it and he made 809 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: them go. So I think he will you know, like 810 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is I don't if he ends 811 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: up like with a place with the Eagles or somewhere 812 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: like that where he would be a nightmare, because I 813 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a guy who's just gonna find 814 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: ways to make plays. And you know, again, I get 815 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: it people would like him to be ten pounds heavier 816 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: right now or at least, but he may get there. 817 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: And even if he's not, you know, it's not like 818 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick is two seventy five. I think he could 819 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: be one of those guys like we talked about Nolan Smith. 820 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: I think he's bigger, He's not going to run quite 821 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: as fast straight line, but his change of direction is 822 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: every bit as good, and he's played a lot more 823 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: and he's been the focal point guy. He was the 824 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: guy everybody was worried about. So I think he'll be 825 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: a great value late in the first you know, while 826 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: we're you know at it. There's a really good I 827 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: did not have him in my mock, but K State 828 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,800 Speaker 1: has a rusher who is I feel like a kind 829 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,839 Speaker 1: of similar in terms of a raw guy who kept 830 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: on getting better and better. And so there are guys 831 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: like that. I think that will be. You know, I 832 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: mentioned Diabbi at Louisville, who I think will be in 833 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: that twenty five to probably forty range, and I think 834 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna be guys you're gonna want on your team. 835 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: You would be Jail Julari in that range too. I 836 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: would have him a little later. You know. I was 837 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: around that LSU team when he was there. When he 838 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: got there, they really like him. He's really smart. I 839 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: don't think good athlete not I think he's a slight 840 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: tick below those other guys. But I think he will 841 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: be a good football player. I just don't know if 842 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: he is going to be as disruptive as those other 843 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: guys that we just mentioned. Do you have time for 844 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: three quickies, Bruce before we see goodbye? Awesome Mazzie Smith. 845 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: He was a top of your Freaks list back in August. 846 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: He made it into your first round in this draft. 847 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: And it's funny. I watch him and I see the 848 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: strength immediately, like he will literally two gaps. He will 849 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: hold an offensive lineman in place and then just move 850 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: him aside and make a tackle. But I don't necessarily 851 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: see that explosiveness up the field. And I wonder if 852 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: that's the Michigan system. Does he have it in him? 853 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 1: What did you hear from coaches when you ask about 854 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: Mozzi Smith? I think that is the question that that 855 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: part where he can be a really good anchor and 856 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: hold a point and then you can't root him out 857 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: of there. With the comparison I got from somebody who's 858 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, has spent a bunch of time around, I 859 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: was like, he's like darn Payne from the from Washington, 860 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: you know. Wondered if he was as long well he 861 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: is you know again, and one guy went eleven. I 862 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't know in terms of like what Michigan needed 863 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: him to do versus can you get more out of 864 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 1: him if you ask me, Like, you know, there are 865 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,959 Speaker 1: certain guys and I'm not saying he's Vita Vea because 866 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: he's not. But like in terms of just being a 867 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 1: guy you want in the middle of the defense, I 868 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: think he will be somebody in the you know, in 869 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: the late first round, early second round, because he's got 870 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: rare kind of strength. And the people inside the Michigan 871 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: program really were very high on what he brought them 872 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: because they had talent. But it wasn't like you got 873 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: to remember they lost a bunch of dudes. You know, 874 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: obviously they lost a Jobo, they lost Hutchinson, and they 875 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: were really good and he was really kind of the 876 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: leader of that group up front. Now they had a 877 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: nickelback who's not in this draft, Mikey Sayers still who 878 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: was like just a poor guy to them, and they 879 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: have a younger junior, Colson's a really good linebacker. But 880 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: Mozzi Smith was like kind of the heart and soul 881 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: of that group. Two guys I wanted you have the 882 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 1: chance to give some love to because two teams I 883 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: believe that had second and third round picks, maybe even 884 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: two third round picks, and you wanted to mention in 885 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: your story. Here was Andre Carter, the edge rusher out 886 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 1: of Army, who I just want to, you know, shed 887 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: some light on a little bit. I know he's a 888 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: little light in the pants, but people like his um 889 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 1: promise and what he can grow into. And then Sydney 890 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: Brown's the other one, you know, twin the chase and 891 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: I thought he was unbelievable mobile at the Senior Bowl. 892 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: Give me your rundown on those two guys and kind 893 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 1: of what you heard from coaches about them. Yeah, Andre 894 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: Carter had had a huge twenty twenty one season. You know, 895 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: he started out when he before he got to the academy. 896 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: He was at Cheshire Academy where he's a tight end, 897 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: a very under recruited guy, and he blossom there, really 898 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: good change interaction. He was another freaksless guy for me, 899 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: and the people I talked to you there said his 900 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: ability of process was like like no other and it 901 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: was interesting. I talked to a coach who had who 902 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,240 Speaker 1: had based him but had played, you know, been previously 903 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: at really high levels Power five conference, and he said 904 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: when we saw him, we were like, you know, not 905 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 1: as good as what he was last year, and then 906 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: that he goes when we played him, and this is 907 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: in the story. His length is such a problem, you 908 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 1: know he's because he is so long, and he was like, 909 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it, but he just 910 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: leverage wise, it's a handful and he kicked our butts. 911 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: And I think what you need to see from him 912 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: as a developmental guy is how much stronger can he get? 913 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: Because he needs to get a lot stronger. And so 914 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: is he a guy that comes in he's almost six 915 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: to seven and two years from now. If you don't 916 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 1: really need to play him gets to be two eighty. 917 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying he's going to be Calais Campbell, 918 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: but and he's certainly not. You know, like you see 919 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: guys who have great length and they just are problems 920 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: in college, but they're probably a little twitchier than he is. 921 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: And that's why I think in the third round, I 922 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: think he could be a good project. But I do 923 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 1: think he's a project because the strength, like some of 924 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: the stuff he was able to do against basically a 925 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: group of five caliber you know, tight ends and linemen 926 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: is not gonna They're not gonna have it as an 927 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: issue within the NFL. So you got to get a 928 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: strength up. And in terms of you know, one of 929 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: the twins from Canada, and those guys were, you know, 930 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: super athletic, they were super competitive. And Brett, you know, 931 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: Brett Bielimo's his name. Giants fans will remember, did a 932 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: really good job rebuilding the Illinois program and they had 933 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: a great defense this year. And this was a guy, 934 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, who was such a Sidney Brown was such 935 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: a key piece of it. You know. The only thing 936 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: I heard that was a little bit of a not 937 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 1: a red flag was a little knock on him. Was 938 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, he's overly aggressive at times, but just 939 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: thought he could do a lot. I mean, he's a 940 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: guy who's very explosive. I think he will be a 941 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: great special teams player and I could see him being 942 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: somebody who you know, I would not be surprised I 943 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 1: had him in the third that if he goes, you know, 944 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,320 Speaker 1: it's their safeties. Sometimes they end up lasting a little longer, 945 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone in the 946 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: mid second, early second round, to be honest. All right, 947 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: final question, Bruce, And that's why I love talking to 948 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 1: college football reporters. You kind of brought this up earlier. 949 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,600 Speaker 1: You guys just have a different perspective on this stuff 950 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: than we do. You know, get to these players late, 951 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: you've seen them in college and develop. You can go 952 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: both ways either way. Take your pick anyone that you've 953 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 1: seen NFL draft guys talk about and you're like, dude, 954 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 1: like I've been watching this guy for four years. I 955 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: just don't see it. Or you sit there and you're like, 956 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: how are you not talking more about this guy? I 957 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: love this dude watching him play college football, and you 958 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: should be talking about him a whole lot more taken 959 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: any way you want, or you can answer both ways, 960 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: you know, I this is not the answer I should 961 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: be giving you. But like I'm I feel like I'm 962 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,000 Speaker 1: a little surprised people aren't higher on Jackson, Smith and Jay, 963 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: but then they are. I've seen I've seen a couple 964 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: of mock drafts. I thought I saw one where he 965 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: was like in the late twenties, and I didn't get that. Um, 966 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: you know, so there's a few that are like kind 967 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: of pop up that way. Um, I'm trying to think of, 968 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,919 Speaker 1: like who like Miles Murphy going in the top ten 969 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a head scratcher to me. 970 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,919 Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, ding him too much. 971 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: There haven't been like because I've looked at a bunch 972 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 1: of mock drafts in the last couple of weeks, there 973 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: hasn't been one there. I was like, what is that 974 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: guy doing there? Right? You know, because I feel like 975 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: when I went to the combine, I was curious to 976 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: see was there going to be somebody that I was like, 977 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure of it. Um, you know, 978 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be this guy was not one of my 979 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: guys in my mock draft, I would not be surprised 980 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: if Zach Sharman and they turned out to be the 981 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: running back from Slay turned out to be a really 982 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: productive NFL Backum, he has really good vision, he is 983 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: very physical. He's more elusive then people realize. I mean, 984 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: he played in the system where I think they really 985 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: leaned on him a lot. They did not have, you know, 986 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,399 Speaker 1: an awesome group of offensive lineman like John Gaines will 987 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: be in NFL. You know, he'll get drafted, but I 988 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: don't think the rest of the group was anything special. 989 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 1: And he did a lot of damage. Then he got 990 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,399 Speaker 1: better as a receiver, Like I could see him being 991 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: a really good NFL running back. You know, not to 992 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: go to take take your question a round with it. 993 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,280 Speaker 1: Running the back group is going to be really interesting 994 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: to me because there's probably five guys in there where 995 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I wouldn't surprise me if this guy 996 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: ended up being a you know, a twelve hundred yard 997 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: running back. Sehn Tucker from Syracuse is really fast and 998 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: he was a really good player. Um, you know, I 999 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: could see Mo Ibrahim who was super productive for Indiana 1000 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: and was another guy everybody respected. I'm like, yeah, he 1001 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,319 Speaker 1: could be really good. M Kendre Miller from TCU just 1002 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,240 Speaker 1: exploded last year. He has great balance and he's really 1003 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 1: really good. Like you know, I mentioned Charbonnat like there 1004 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,320 Speaker 1: are dudes in this like even you know, and I 1005 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,759 Speaker 1: had Bijean Robinson going higher than most people thought. You know, 1006 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 1: I haven't gone top ten. I know running backs typically 1007 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,920 Speaker 1: I know Sequon did, but typically do not go very high. 1008 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,960 Speaker 1: I think Bijean is that good. But the guy who 1009 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,640 Speaker 1: was kind of behind him, who did a lot of 1010 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,800 Speaker 1: everything for them, you know, Roshan Johnson, I think is 1011 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: a really really good football player. Like those that group 1012 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: of running backs, I could see a couple of them 1013 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: really blossoming in the NFL as you know the other 1014 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,320 Speaker 1: back or just being really important pieces to good teams. 1015 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: I just to follow up on a final question, Bruce, 1016 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,560 Speaker 1: is there's somebody in this draft based on your reporting 1017 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,400 Speaker 1: in college football, being around these teams, being around maybe 1018 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,360 Speaker 1: it's a personal story about them off the field, whatever, 1019 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: that you really have belief that maybe he's only gonna 1020 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: a third pick, fourth round pick, fifth round pick, whatever, 1021 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 1: you believe this guy is going to be a really 1022 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: good NFL player because of the type of guy that 1023 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: he is. I'd have to think about that for a second. 1024 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think back to guys I've you know, 1025 00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,920 Speaker 1: kind of seen a lot of that I could see 1026 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 1: being you know, I mean, Will McDonald is somebody who 1027 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,640 Speaker 1: I you know, like one thing, Iowa State has had 1028 00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys who have like turned out. You know, 1029 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: you saw David Montgomery, obviously saw Bruce Hall, but you've 1030 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: seen some guys like where they end up probably playing 1031 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: a lot better than what people thought they were coming 1032 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,759 Speaker 1: in and the development is really good. And I just 1033 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: think because he did so much for them, Like if 1034 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: somebody told me he went nineteenth even though at that 1035 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,879 Speaker 1: size or in the top twenty, and I'd be like, yeah, 1036 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: I think that's like I could see it because I 1037 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,279 Speaker 1: think he's that good of a football player. Bruce, tell 1038 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: the people where they can find all your stuff and 1039 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: all the great work that you do. Yeah, just just 1040 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,279 Speaker 1: go to the athletic and or go you can find 1041 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: it on my Twitter feed, assuming it's still there. Bruce Feltman, CFB, 1042 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,359 Speaker 1: And Yeah, I mean I love this time of year. John. 1043 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: I was like when you call it, it was like 1044 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm always happy to talk talk draft and all that stuff, 1045 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: because you know, I spend so much time on the 1046 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: phone with coaches talking about this process. It's like it's 1047 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,600 Speaker 1: really one of the one of my favorite things to 1048 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,360 Speaker 1: work on. Unbelievable information, Bruce, invaluable to our viewers and 1049 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: giant fans. We appreciate the time so much. Enjoy the 1050 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,399 Speaker 1: next three weeks, man, because it's coming fast. I will 1051 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: same to you, John, Thanks for having me, and then 1052 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: you'll be got spring football and then camp and we'll 1053 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: be rocking and roll on. Bruce Feldman from The Athletic 1054 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 1: and Fox Sports. I'm John Schwelt. Thank you're joining us 1055 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: on the John's Little Podcast. We'll see you next time.