1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello, and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. I'm going to start this one 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: with an apology. Yeah, because I forgot to mention in 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: our listener mail about Quizzling that Cameron's pets are super 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: cute other than just being excited about Cousco's name, Listen, 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: they're adorable, those kiddies. I love a rag doll kat. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: They're the funnest to hug and cuddle. Yeah, and I 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: love a pupper. So Yeah, sorry that I did not 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: call out their cuteness and appreciate the fact that Kuzco 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: apparently likes us more than other people. The highest praise 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: I could ever ask for. Truly good con Quizzling. Yeah, 13 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: I will. I know. I mentioned at the top of 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: that episode that the way I learned about him was 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: from Elvis Costello, which is the way I've learned about 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things. Thanks Elvis Costello. I will continue 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: to follow you around the world to go to concerts 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: whenever I can. But there is another eighties song that 19 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: was in my mind running the whole time I was 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: doing this, which is Pat Benatar's evil genius. I don't 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: know if you would know that one or not. I 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: don't think so. I also love Pat Benatar, but because 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Quizzling is almost like the archetype of that super duper 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: smart person. I mean, he clearly was incredibly smart, Like 25 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: we talked about his test scores and his educational career 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: and him just you know, outshining all of his peers. 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: And it's that thing where that person then gets an 28 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: idea in their head that is messed up. But because 29 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: they are smart, they're able to one like, do a 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: lot of mental gymnastics to convince themselves of the veracity 31 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: of their idea, even if it is in fact based, 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: not in truth at all. And also, I think there's 33 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: an ego thing where you presume, like I am a 34 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: person of reason and I'm smarter than everyone else. So 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: if I've come to this conclusion, it's the right conclusion. 36 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: Those are in and of themselves things that happen all 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the time in the day to day world. But then 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: you get these situations where someone with that kind of 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: you know, mental state, gets in a position of power 40 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: and it becomes literally deadly. I'm fascinated by this, I 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: wish it never happened, obviously, right, But I still am like, 42 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: how much does the human mind constantly recalculate and tell 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: you that you're doing the right thing at such a 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: degree that you can ignore the bad things that are 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: happening along the way, right, I don't know how that works. Yeah, 46 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: it's very wild to me. I mean I think that's like, 47 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm not unique in this. We all have this thing 48 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: of like, how do how are atrocities committed? And people 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: don't stop and think and how do they go to 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: sleep at night? And I don't know. It's that thing 51 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: of like was he actually evil? Or had he actually 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: convinced himself that this was all very benevolent in its maneuvering? Yeah? Ooh, 53 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: those are fun things to talk about at all. I'm 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: sorry that our Norway episode was a sad one, but 55 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: also I think kind of important. I had. One of 56 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: the things that I read about him was I'm trying 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: to remember it because I didn't make a note of 58 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: it was a pretty recent like by which I mean 59 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: in the twenty teen's article, and they mentioned like a 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: lot of people seem to not know about this person anymore, 61 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: and that seems wrong. Yeah, And I was like, yeah, 62 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: I would not have known him had I not stumbled 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: across a thing in a song, which is weird to me. 64 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: I you know, I'm at a point where I don't 65 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: remember enormous amounts of detail about what we learned in 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: any particular right class, in a lot of cases. But 67 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: I do feel like, in terms of World War Two, 68 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: we probably got a couple of sentences about Norway, no 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: detail about how Germany came to occupy Norway, but you know, 70 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: just the fact that that had happened, it's probably the 71 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: extent of what we learned about. Yeah, Yeah, And I 72 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: don't know if that. I mean, I have a theory 73 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: about why that was probably the case for us, which 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: is that And I want to say this carefully so 75 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: that no one thinks I am in any way smack 76 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: talking Norway. But in terms of like the US public 77 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: education system, right, it tends to prioritize like the big players, right, 78 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: And Norway would not have been considered an especially big 79 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: player in the US and the seventies and eighties when 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: the textbooks we were being taught from were being written, right, 81 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: I think that's probably part of it. Yeah, which is 82 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: a you know, I mean, obviously you cannot cover everything, 83 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: and I don't want to in any way sound like 84 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm like talking bad about teachers or people that write textbooks, 85 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: even though some of them have been problematic. But it 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: does seem like someone who who does something like what 87 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Quisling did, where he had a coup that you know, 88 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: we didn't, that seems like a thing you would want 89 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: to teach kids about, especially it is notable take away 90 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: all of the horrible stuff. I mean, we can't, obviously, 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to ignore it, but like this 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: man staged a coup by radio, which is a unique 93 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: situation if nothing else, Like that's your hook for getting 94 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: kids interested in history? To me? Yeah, but yeah, we 95 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: never got it. I'm curious about, like what happened, Like 96 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: what the response was to people that heard this on 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: the radio. Oh, they were like, I mean, I will say, Norway, 98 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: my understanding, I obviously wasn't there, but having read a 99 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: bunch about it in prep for this, and having read 100 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: some about it before, this largely was resistant to the 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: whole thing, like Norway's. Norway was not a country where 102 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: like a few people were resisting. It seemed pretty much 103 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: the majority, which is why things were happening, like all 104 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: of the teachers walking out at once, and all of 105 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: the clergy walking out at once, and like these pretty 106 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: big I don't want to say gestures because that robs 107 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: them of their value, but these pretty big movements being 108 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: done to say like, no, we reject everything that you're 109 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: trying to do. But yes. In terms of like the 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: the immediate moment, I can only imagine when you hear 111 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: on the radio like, hey, the country is being reorged 112 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: today under me, Like if I heard that, I would 113 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: be like what, Yeah, I would probably be like, who 114 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: is this crackpot? And why is this a war of 115 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: the world situation? Is this a big fib? I don't know. 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what those immediate responses were. No, it 117 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: is really it's heartbreaking. I did not include all of 118 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: the details of the testimony of doctor Leo Eichenger because 119 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: it's just it's grueling and it's heartbreaking. But his narrative 120 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: really is one of the very important ones in terms 121 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: of relaying to the world was what had actually been 122 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: going on. Because he was one of the few survivors 123 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: of Auschwitz, which you know, a lot of people the 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: vast majority of people did not make it out of 125 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: so he was one of the ones that was able 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: to explain the sorting system, the way they marched people 127 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: to the gas chambers, the horrible things that happened to 128 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: women and children. So his account is super important, even 129 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: outside of the context of the trial, because that's one 130 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: of the ways that we act actually learned about what 131 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: had happened and what was going on under the Third Reich. So, 132 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to include all the details because frankly, 133 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: they're hard to stomach, and we get the gist of it, 134 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: and we have I think most of us at this 135 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: point have heard what most of that was like. But yeah, 136 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: I am. I am glad that we have an occasion, 137 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: or not an occasion, but an opportunity to talk about 138 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: these as much as they're not pleasant, because they are important. 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: That's all some sad stuff. Let's talk more about dogs 140 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: that don't bark at us. I love it is this right, 141 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: tell a story of how all the crows are mad 142 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: at me? Right now? Do it? I know the story, 143 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: but I want to hear it again. So we during 144 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: during the height of the the everyone stay home part 145 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: of the pandemic, my husband and I started leaving out 146 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: a bin of snacks for delivery drivers because we were 147 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: getting everything through delivery, like everybody else that just has 148 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: a little sign that says like, hey, thanks for what 149 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: you do. Please take snacks. You know, they're little things 150 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: like those little party bags or those lunch lunch pack 151 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: bags you would get at the grocery store that have 152 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: mini bags of like you know, Dorito's oreos et cetera, chips, 153 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: chips and cookies. And we've continued that since then, like 154 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: because it's just nice. Now, that's what you do. Creates 155 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: goodwill with our drivers. Listen, we get taken care of 156 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: exceptionally well by most of our delivery people as a consequence, 157 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: And recently I had noticed that there were some open bags, 158 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: like on the front steps and in the yard, and 159 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: I first thought it was raccoons because that's also valid 160 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: at our house. And then I was like, wait, are 161 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: neighbor kids like running up here and getting snacks and 162 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: then throwing them around the yard. And then we saw 163 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: and Brian happened to catch it, not on a great 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: video because he was caught unawares when it happened. A 165 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: crow fl flying into the bin which is in like 166 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: a little enclosed area, picking out his snacks, flying with 167 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: the bag of potato chips across the street to the 168 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: neighbor's roof and opening them and eating las potato chips 169 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: by himself. So now we know it's been the crows 170 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: all along, right, And they did it a few more 171 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: times where we were in the day, like probably thirty 172 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: six hours while we're like, okay, how do we want 173 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: to handle this because listen, I'm gonna admit my own 174 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: bias here. I love the crows. They can do no wrong, 175 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: even when they're doing obvious wrong. And so I was like, well, 176 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to you know, we feed them very 177 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: well on the back deck. They get a lot of 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: snacks and really nice snacks. But we decided we would 179 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: put a lid on the bin and you know, hopefully 180 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: the delivery drivers would know you have to open the 181 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: lid and they have pick that up. But the last 182 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: two days the crows are I rate with me because 183 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: they want their potato chips. I went outside this morning 184 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: to water the plants. I'm growing watermelons. They're happening, it's exciting, 185 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: and I got yelled at by like seven crows. For 186 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: like ten minutes, and I was just like, go to 187 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: the back. There's peanuts and stuff back there. You love those. 188 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm not giving you potato chips because you're rude and 189 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: you litter. We can't have either. So that's my animal 190 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: life today, right. Yeah, they're really loud. I was scared 191 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be able to record because they will stand 192 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: on the roof and just scream and be like, Holly, 193 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: you shrew You fed us, and then you took away 194 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: our access to the food. Listen, they're just going to 195 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: figure out how to take the lid off. Yeah, give 196 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: it another week. I'll tell a different story. It'll be 197 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: like and then they left the lid on my car. 198 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: But I wanted to tell a fun story since this 199 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: week has been heaviness. Yeah yeah, yeah, Crows, careful what 200 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: you wish for. You gotta negotiate around him. We talked 201 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: about permanent waves this week. We did, We did. I'm 202 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: sure we both have a little bit of memory trauma 203 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: of so much of it, honestly. Oh yeah, I definitely 204 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: got called an ugly poodle by the cool metal girls 205 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: in school. I had so much poodle hair and my 206 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: hair is very, very fine. It does not hold a 207 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: curl well. It has never holded a curl. Hold it, 208 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: it has never held a curl well. But like this 209 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: perm hair with the big poofy front in the eighties 210 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: was like the thing to have and I had to 211 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: have it, and I it was just it was a 212 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: whole thing of getting the PERM. I don't know what 213 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: your hair experience was like in your childhood, but where 214 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: I was living, like the economic class we were in, 215 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I was not going to like a salon with multiple stations. 216 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: I was going to somebody who had a little hair 217 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: set up in their basement or garage, and I'd like, 218 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: I wound up with with hair that was so damaged 219 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: from being permed over and over again. And it was 220 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: like getting ready in the morning was an inordinately long 221 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: affair of hair and makeup. And yeah, it's not a 222 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: time or a look like. You don't look back on 223 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the eighties with the same level of love that I do. 224 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: There are things about the eighties that I have some 225 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: nostalgia for, but I sure don't in terms of like 226 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: all the style I love, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I didn't. 227 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up going to a salon at all. 228 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: We were definitely di I wires. My mom permed my 229 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: hair when I was like maybe seven or eighth, and 230 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: then in high school I got a perm at her hairstylist, 231 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: who similarly was like a one. But I was that 232 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: rebellious person that just started taking things into my own hands. 233 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: So I was definitely that kid that was like, Okay, 234 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: I can't find somebody to do what I want, I'm 235 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: just going to do it myself. Fine. Yeah, I mean 236 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: I also started making my clothes when I was around 237 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: that age, so my mom cut my hair until I 238 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: got to the age of like insisting on having it permed. 239 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: There was also a period where crimping was the thing 240 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, like crimp my entire head with a 241 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: crimping iron before school. Yeah. I mean we could on 242 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: a future episode talk about Marcel Waves and that invention 243 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: of that crimper, which is way way back, but or 244 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: a crimper. I have seen some kids on TikTok doing 245 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: stuff with crimping irons in the recent past, and I 246 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: was like, is this a thing that we're doing again? 247 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: It's coming back. Yeah, I'm kind of into it. Yeah, 248 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean it's fascinating because it wasn't like I had 249 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: a particularly lovely high school experience or anything. I definitely was, 250 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: I've said many times before like an absolute weirdo. But 251 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: I still love all of that style. Yeah, I love it. 252 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: The weirder, the better, all the space stuff, Bring it on. 253 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: I think a lot of my baggage about it is 254 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: that I was doing all this that involved it just 255 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort and expense in a 256 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: desperate effort to try to fit in, and it didn't work. 257 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: And if I had a time machine to go back 258 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: to my younger self to say, hey, like do what 259 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: you actually want to do, right, you will still not 260 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: fit in. That situation is not going to change, but like, right, 261 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: you'll probably have a richer childhood in teen years if 262 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: that's what you do. Maybe, but you won't know that 263 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: when you're a kid, because you do want to fit in. 264 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever talked about it before 265 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: either between the two of us are on the show. 266 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: I remember so distinctly the moment where I decided I 267 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: did not care anymore about what other people thought. Huh. 268 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: And it was I mean, I have the sense memory 269 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: like burned of like it's like the skies opened up 270 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: where I had on this particularly spacey weird outfit, and 271 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: I remember somebody being like, you look like a bleeping weirdo. 272 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: And I literally had this moment in my brain where 273 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to cry at first, and 274 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: then I went, wait a minute, I don't really trust 275 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: her taste. Why do I care? Really, I said something 276 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: horrible and filthy in my head about her taste, but yeah, 277 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: it was essentially that was the vibe of it. And 278 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: after that, I was just like, right, the gloves are off, 279 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do whatever I want. I don't think I 280 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: have ever entirely shed caring what other people think about me, 281 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: but I did for sure the summer before I started 282 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: my senior year of high school have a moment where 283 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. I'm not playing this game 284 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: anymore with my hair and my clothes. I'm gonna do 285 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: what I want. And that did make senior year of 286 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: high school feel a lot more relaxed than grades K 287 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: through eleven. Yeah. I mean, I was from the time 288 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: I was tiny a clothes horse, like I have always 289 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: loved clothes and design, like I was making my barbies 290 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: like full you know, the collection for this summer will 291 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: be I was always into that, So I think that's 292 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: probably part of why it was easier for me to 293 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: be like, I actually know more about clothes than you do, 294 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: so you know, screw you. I don't care. You know, 295 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm like reading French magazines trying to find like pictures 296 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: of Jean Paul Gautier pants so I can copy them. 297 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: So like, I was in like a different headspace I 298 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: think than most of my a lot of my peers, 299 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: especially because I grew up in like a beach community 300 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: where that kind of beach aesthetic was the thing, and 301 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: that was clearly never my thing. So it was a 302 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: little easier for me to just be like, well, all right, 303 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put this thing and drive floor it 304 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: like I don't care anymore. But I do want to 305 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: talk about the salon industry a little bit. Yeah, let's do. 306 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: I have not been in it for almost three decades 307 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: at this point, but I did. Out of college, I 308 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: worked in salons and got promoted up to management, and 309 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: worked in management as an assistant manager and manager in 310 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: a couple of different places. And I will say the 311 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: story about the pregnant woman who got a perm and 312 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: then was mad that her baby was not born with 313 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: curly hair. Believe it, Yeah, believe it because we had. 314 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: There were definitely some kooky people in any service industry, 315 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: but I think especially when you're in an industry where 316 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: it's about people's appearance, which were all very attached to 317 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: in one way or another, right, like the level of 318 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: kind of like wacky ideas gets wretchet up a little bit. Yeah. 319 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: I remember at one point one of our stylists doing 320 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: a service where they were doing foils on a client's hair, 321 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: and she got sick halfway through, like throwing up sick 322 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 1: like the client or the client and as she you know, 323 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: sorry to be gross wretched in the bathroom, it shifted 324 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: her foils around and then she wanted to not be 325 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: charged for the service. But it's like it's he did 326 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: all the work, like it's not our fault. And I 327 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: was very young to be managing at the level I was, 328 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: so I always had to like and I wasn't good 329 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: at it, by the way, but I was always trying 330 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: to like ride that, like how can I appease this 331 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: person while not ruining this this stylist book for the week, 332 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: because it's an expensive thing, so to lose that time 333 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: and money is significant and I think I ended up 334 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: cutting her like a discount deal just to like get 335 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: her chilled out and roll out. We may have even 336 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: eaten the remaining costs on the part of the salon. 337 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember how that worked out, just so 338 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: he would get paid his regular amount, but she would 339 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: not be mad about it. But it was just like 340 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that happened all the time, where it would 341 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: be like, that's not actually our fault, or like a person. 342 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: There were definitely clients who would come in get a 343 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: service done, they didn't necessarily love it, and instead of 344 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: being like, hey, can I come back for a corrective 345 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: service which would have been complimentary, would try to fix 346 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: it themselves at home and end up in a real 347 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: bad pickle right right, because it would be like, well, now, yeah, 348 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: your hair is burned off at the ends, like you 349 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: have you have inch long scrub on your head because 350 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: you double permed in the course of two days. It's 351 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: a wild why uh, the permanent, The permanent doesn't mean forever. 352 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Thing too has come up with I remember, oh, which 353 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: reminds me actually of one of my favorite styles of 354 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: perms in the seventies. Okay, do you remember the stack perm. 355 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: Do I remember this? I think so. I love it 356 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to this day. I hope it comes back. It's very disco. 357 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 1: That might be a little before me. So the stack 358 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: perm is where and it probably has called something different 359 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: today because that happens too, is where like the the 360 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: hair and the rollers at the base of the neck 361 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: are rolled tightest and then you kind of match that 362 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: line going up so that as you get to the 363 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: top there is on purpose left a length of straight 364 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: hair with the perm rod at the end, so that 365 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: like it kind of stacks out very wide and big 366 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: on the side. You've seen, yeah, I've seen people with this. 367 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: I did not. It was super popular in the disco scene. 368 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: I love that look to this day. I just think 369 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: there's something so cool about it. I love hair manipulation 370 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: in general. Love I want to love Nestler, But man, 371 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: that book really made it hard. You're like me and 372 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: Jean Stratton Porter. Really until the Bad Book, every chapter 373 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: had more weirdness that I was like, oh no, what 374 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: are you talking about, dude. He also claimed that I'm 375 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: we mentioned in the episode that like he thought that 376 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: like a little adversity was good for your hair, and 377 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: his example is like that's why schoolmarms always have great hair. 378 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, well, it reminds me of phrenology 379 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like super kookie. And his his 380 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: counter to that was that like, if you're too happy, 381 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: you'll get fat and lose your hair, like and he 382 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: would point out he specifically called out women in the 383 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: US and France as being like, well, you know, when 384 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: they get married and settled and they have their kids 385 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: and they're happy and relaxed. As they get older, they 386 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: get fat and their hair falls out. And I'm like, 387 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: well what, And first of all, not everybody. In second 388 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: some of that is just like the age of your 389 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: body causes changes. Happened. But he's like, nope, it's the happiness. 390 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: It's weird. It's super duper weird. Yeah. I just kept 391 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: flipping pages and being like, what are you talking about, sir? However, 392 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about his time as a 393 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: barber surgeon, because he told this story. No way to 394 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: verify it, but it's funny ish that when he was 395 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: a fairly young barber surgeon, a man who worked in 396 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: like an industrial trade came to him with an injured finger. 397 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: He didn't see a way that the finger could be fixed, 398 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: so he amputated it, okay, and that the man's wife 399 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 1: was initially really angry about the whole thing, but then 400 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: because of the amputation, the employer of that man had 401 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: given him like a big payout, like as a I 402 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: don't know if it was a settlement or like what, 403 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: or hazard pay or whatever. But after that, he claimed 404 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: that a lot of people from the area were coming 405 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: to him asking him to amputate their finger so that 406 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: they too could get a similar payout, like basically asking 407 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: him to participate in a fraud scheme wow, to get 408 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: what wouldn't have been called workman's comp at the time, 409 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: but was essentially the same concept. And I'm like, I 410 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: wonder if that's true and if so wild But he 411 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: never said, to the best of my knowledge, whether or 412 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: not he whether he did it or not, did any 413 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: of those Okay, I hope not. I hope not. Okay, 414 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: But it also speaks to the level of desperation someone 415 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: would have where they're like, I could I could live 416 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: without a finger. Yeah, if it makes my life financially easier. Yeah, Oh, 417 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: hair things forever? Yeah, hair thing, yeah, I am imagining. 418 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: Also his wife, this is another thing that never comes up. 419 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: But I'm like, this had to have happened this way, right, 420 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: His wife was his test subject. Right, it didn't go 421 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: right in the beginning. She had burnt hair and a 422 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: burnt scalp sometimes. But also I'm like, how long did 423 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: he have to wait in between for the hair to 424 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: grow out? Maybe he was just doing a little bit 425 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: at a time. Maybe I don't know, you don't know. 426 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: But also she must have genuinely adored him, because she 427 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: was like, yep, let's see if it burns my head again, 428 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: let's just do it. It's worth it for you in 429 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: public with an audience watching. I'm glad we don't have 430 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: to do any of those. I'm now also flashing back 431 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: to the many perms and other hair treatments I have 432 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: given people over the years. When I was a kid, 433 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: in high school in college, I did a lot of hair. Actually, 434 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: I gave a lot of haircuts. I did a lot 435 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: of colors. I did a fair number of perms. Yeah, 436 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure my only perms were with someone who 437 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: did hair and their garage or basement, not MoMA, not 438 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: my mom. Mom did cut my hair, but not permit. 439 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: I did color my own hair at a number of points. 440 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: But I never tried to perm my own hair because 441 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: I was scared to. I never permed my own because 442 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do the rollers by myself. Even now, right, like, 443 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: I had to train my husband to do bleach application 444 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: on the back of my head because I can't maintain 445 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: my purple without it right, and I'm too lazy to 446 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: go to a salon for that. It's just like it's 447 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: time intensive, and I don't like the idea of sitting 448 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: somewhere unable to walk about my house at whim right 449 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: with bleach on my head and then a color, because 450 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: it's a two process. So I still am doing a 451 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: DIY situation. Which I've said this before, I'm sure I 452 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: will say it again. If you are thinking about getting 453 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: a fantasy hair color, I hope you're outgoing, It's what 454 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, because people will stop you and 455 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: ask you about it everywhere you go. Yep, people ask 456 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: all kinds of questions yes, and ask to touch your 457 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: hair or just touch your hair without asking. I imagine, Yeah, 458 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't bother me so much. I recognize it as problematic, 459 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: but it doesn't bother me too much. I also recognize 460 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: that there are a lot of people who get unwanted 461 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: touching of their hair. It's sure with bright hair colors, 462 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: for sure, and you should always ask someone or maybe 463 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: just don't. But like in a case with that, like normally, 464 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: what happens is like I will be in a discussion. 465 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: It is here is the most common version of that, 466 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: how did you get your hair that color? And we'll 467 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: start talking and they'll say because my kid wants it, 468 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure it's safe. And then 469 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: if they're like, can I touch your hair because they're 470 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: wondering how damaging it will be, I'm like, sure, absolutely, 471 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean I will give hair tips for days. My 472 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: poor beloved has often come around the corner in like 473 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: a grocery store or a big box store and found 474 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: me deep in a conversation with like a mom and 475 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: her teenage daughter writing down lists of what they all 476 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: the products. But yeah, it's it's all fine, it's great. 477 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: So yes, I be ready. If you are going to 478 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: do fun hair for upkeep and to talk to people 479 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: that are strangers, yeah, if you're good with those, you're golden. Anyway, 480 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: I could talk about hair forever because I do love it. 481 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: If you're getting your hair done this weekend, I hope 482 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: you love it and that it's a fabulous time and 483 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: you love how it turns out. If you have other 484 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: time off, I hope you get some relaxation in, watch 485 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: some good movies or TV if that's your thing, hang 486 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: out outside if that's your thing, Hug your pets. If 487 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: you don't have time off, I still hope you get 488 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: to do some of those things. And I hope that 489 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: everybody is cool to everybody. 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