1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Billy Show. Hey, everybody, 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Rubin Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Z a Lucky are here. 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the foul Territory Network. It is Thursday, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: October thirty first, twenty twenty four. 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 2: It's Halloween, Halloween. 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? You guys doing good? 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: Hell? Are you doing? 8 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 3: Are doing good? 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: We had Presston. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: We talked with Preston Maddingly on Tuesday and that a 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: lot of fun and we really could have kept going there. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: There was a bunch of other guys that we didn't 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: even ask about, like Eberson Castiano, who is their Paul 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Own's Award Winners Minor League. 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 4: Pitcher of the Year. Didn't ask about it. 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: There's a couple of guys, other guys we didn't really 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 1: dig into, but. 18 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 4: Learned a lot. 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: It was fun talking to Preston. What when you think 20 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: back about that interview, Jim, like, you know what jumps out? 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: What jumped out at you about any any impressions and 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: any of the guys he talked about about this aid 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: the system anything like that. 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot jumped out of me. Something 25 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 4: you and I talked about in planning for that interview. 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: They just there's just more guys to talk about nowadays, 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: more guys to talk about than there were, you know, 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 4: four or five, six years ago. So they've brought more 29 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: quality material ingredients into their system and then you hand 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: them over to the play development people, and that's what 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: Preston the department. Preston heads up. I thought he was 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 4: really good talking about guys. I mean, some of these 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: guys I am really excited about. I think we all 34 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: know about Andrew Painter in what he's doing. You know, 35 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 4: Aiden Miller, another number one pick of the state of Florida, 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: shortstop third baseman, really interesting guy, all around player, mega prospect. 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: It was fun hearing about him, and kind of one 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: thing that jumped out to me that you know, Preston 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 4: thinks he could play second base as well, so shortstop base, 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 4: second base. They really have options, positional options with this kid, 41 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: depending on where there might be a need as things 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: evolve in Philadelphia and he gets closer to coming to Philadelphia. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: So I thought that was very interesting. His stance on 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: starting pitching was very interesting. I know that was something 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 4: kind of music to Ruben's ears, and you know, with 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 4: Justin Crawford. I've covered this team for a long time 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: and it just hasn't been that steady center fielder that 48 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 4: you can count on year after year after year. It's 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: kind of been a sinkhole out there running guys through 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: all the time. And you know, this is the guy 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 4: that might have the staying power to fill that role, 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 4: and maybe maybe sooner than we think. I'm not saying 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: April of twenty twenty five, but you know, he keeps, 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 4: you know, getting closer to Philadelphia. It might not be 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 4: all that far away with a guy like Justin Crawford. 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: So really interesting interview. I would anybody who missed it, 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 4: I would encourage him to go back and check it out. 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: What jumped out at you, Reuben. 59 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll stay macro on this thing. And when I 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: say macro, I will talk a lot about, you know, 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: more philosophy than anything else because that's what I'm sort 62 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: of interested in, and how that they're developing the players. 63 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: And it just seemed like on a couple of different levels. 64 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: You mentioned the one thing about starting pitching, I think 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 2: he was. I liked his answer about him talking about 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: I hope they don't change, like the rules of the 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: starting pitching stuff. But I totally agree with that, and 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: it just seems like they're trying to develop guys for 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: more length. And I think that that is something that's 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: that's an important element of the game that has been 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: basically tossed aside. And I think it's a detriment to 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: the game that guys are not getting stretched out to 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: the point where they're able to pitch six, seven, eight 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: innings instead of you know, four or five. And you 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: see it in the World Series, you see it. You know. 76 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: It just it's too much pressure, I think on a 77 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: team to cover the innings that are necessary. And I 78 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: think if you look at our big league team, you know, 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 2: look at the three or four guys at the top 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: of their rotation, and I mean they expect those guys 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: to go six or seven innings every time out. And 82 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that that philosophy sort of works its way 83 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: down and it sounds like it is with Preston. I'm 84 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: also really impressed by Pressting just overall, just listening to 85 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, the overall development, like people want to just 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: throw guys at the big leagues and just move them 87 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: up as quickly as possible. And I think they will 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: be aggressive, but there's also you have to sort of 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: let the player dictate. The player will dictate your your 90 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: overall plan. Not everybody is moved in the same way. 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: Not everybody can handle different levels and different in the 92 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: same way. And I think every and and the fact 93 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 2: that they're taking everybody on an individual basis and making 94 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: sure that they have certain markers and challenging them in 95 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: a certain way. I think that was also really impressive 96 00:04:59,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: as well. 97 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: So so Aiden Miller is you know, obviously in one of 98 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: the top prospects in baseball. He's the Phillies' number one prospect. 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: And Dave Dombrowski a couple weeks ago kind of like, 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: I don't say through cold water on his ability to 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: help the team next year, but he said, you know, 102 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: he's he's a ways a way that Jim you you 103 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: mentioned this a couple times. I was in high school 104 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: a year and a half ago. What I'm wondering, do 105 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: you think there's any chance that he this team next year? 106 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: Ruben? 107 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question as a GM, right, Dave. 108 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: When Dave says something like that, is that one hundred 109 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: percent like this guy's got no shot? Or is he 110 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: just trying to temper expectations or is he trying to like, 111 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: maybe you know, chill the player out a little bit 112 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: so he's not running. You know, because on one hand, 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: Dave will say, like, I'm not afraid to promote young 114 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: players if they're ready. Preston said the same thing. Now 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: it's a big difference between them from from Jersey Short 116 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: to Redding. But if this guy go out and he 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: starts in running great, and then he gets promoted to 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: Lehigh Valley and he plays great, why you know, why 119 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: stop him? You know, if there's a need at the 120 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: big league level, where do you kind of where do 121 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: you kind of feel that that situation could be at. 122 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: Well, I think, more than anything else, is probably tempering expectation. 123 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: But it's also but Dave's been around a long time. 124 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a lot of players. It doesn't 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: happen very often that these young players can move that 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: quickly and be impactful at the major leagues. At the 127 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: major league level, especially position players, unless it's a player's 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: been playing a long time and you know, was playing 129 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: since he was sixteen or seventeen years old in the system. 130 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: You know, as an international player, it's different. It's different 131 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: being a domestic player and being an international player, just 132 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: because I think the reps are different. The amount of 133 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: time on the field itself is different. But Dave Debrowski's 134 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: not afraid to move guys. I mean, I've seen him 135 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: do it with Andrew benin Tende. Ive seen him bring 136 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,119 Speaker 2: guys to the big leagues. He's not afraid to make 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: that move. And I think, you know, they'll probably just 138 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: allow the player to dictate his path. And my dad 139 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: always said the same thing, and I think I believe 140 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: that Dave Dombrowski has the same sort of philosophy as 141 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: this Preston Maddingly, that the player will dictate how quickly 142 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: you're the big when you're tired and where you're time 143 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: to be in the big leagues is here, then you 144 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: will be in the big leagues and you will be impact. 145 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: I don't think that they want these players to necessarily 146 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: feel like their saviors. But at the same time, if 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: they feel that they're ready to be in the big 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: leagues and there's a place for them to play in 149 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: the big leagues consistently, I don't think that they're going 150 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: to be afraid to move guys forward. 151 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with him, and I think I've been 152 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: around gms that tamp down expectations just to protect the 153 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: player a little bit. Players gung ho and players so 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: focused on getting there. Maybe he doesn't, you know, focus 155 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: on where his feet his feet are at the moment. 156 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's the case with ad Miller. By 157 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: all indications, he's a really mature, level headed gamer baseball player, 158 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: but he like you know, we've always said, the player 159 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: will tell you when he's ready, and if there's a whole, 160 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: they'll put him in. I need they'll, they'll slot him in. 161 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: I think. I think even if he even if he 162 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: spends all next year in the minor leagues, all of 163 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five in the minor leagues and gets here 164 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: in twenty six, I still think that's a rapid ascension, 165 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: really rapid. Yeah. So very encouraged by what I see 166 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: of him, when I read about him, when I see 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 4: him on the stat sheets and some of the other metrics, 168 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 4: and just to hear it from from the farm director's mouth, 169 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: I mean, we used to call him farm directors. Have 170 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 4: there's so much more to to. 171 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: But best vice president of player development. 172 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, they and it's it is about development, and his 173 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: his development is not done yet. You can still you know, gosh. 174 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: I mean, like we said, he just was in high 175 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: school a year and a half ago. Let him breathe 176 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 4: a little bit, let him have a lot of ops, 177 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: and let him learn from a few down times, and 178 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: you'll get a good looking player in Philadelphia. And like 179 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 4: I said earlier, it really intrigued me. They think he 180 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: can play three positions. I mean, that adds a lot 181 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 4: of value to a guy. And I want to do 182 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 4: organization where you can slot him in where your biggest 183 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: need might be. 184 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: And again, I mean that's part of the development. I mean, 185 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: you do not want to have this guy have, you know, 186 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: seven or eight games at second base and then all 187 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I haven't played second base in the 188 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: major leagues. That's just not the way to do it. 189 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 2: I think you're putting a guy in a very very 190 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: difficult position development I'd rather have. I know that there's 191 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: development in the Major Lakes, but I'd like to have 192 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: the guy closer to being an actual major league product 193 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: when he hits the major leagus than what we have 194 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: seen in the past. And some organizations that are basically 195 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: just throwing guys to the big leagus and go get him. 196 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: You know, O'Neil Cruz is one of those guys. There's 197 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: a you know, Elie de la Cruz who's super talented. 198 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: Maybe he was ready, But there's so many different guys 199 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: that are being thrown to the Major League so quickly, 200 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: and it's in some ways unfair to the player. Some guys, 201 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: it's great. For some guys it's not. But it's not 202 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: something that should be happening on a daily basis because 203 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: I think that certain guys can handle it, other guys cannot. 204 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: Rubin, Rubin, you're when you were running the show, you 205 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 4: guys took a lot of heat for Ryan Howard's trajectory 206 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: to the big leagues. Oh they kept him down too long. 207 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: Even you could even make the case that you took 208 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: some heat for Chase Sutley's trajectory to the big leagues. 209 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 4: Oh he was behind guys. He didn't get here fast enough. 210 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 4: They should have gotten those guys here fast enough. Really, 211 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: all you ever hear on that matter is criticism, when 212 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: if you look at it, at League came here and 213 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 4: it was a good player right away. Ryan Howard came 214 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 4: here and hits three hundred, like right out of the gate. 215 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 4: There is an argument to be made that maybe the 216 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 4: Phillies did it the right way, like they used to 217 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: be five under the bats at every level and really 218 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 4: mastered those are bats and and got a season at 219 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: every level and then came to the big leagues ready 220 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 4: to be a real contributor. So, you know, I get 221 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: what you're saying, and I think we can't lose sight 222 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: of that, just because prospects are so much more hyped 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 4: these days and there's so much more video and social 224 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 4: media and we're thirsty to see them, that it still 225 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 4: takes time to develop a quality major league and no 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: matter how talented that guy indeed is, And it's. 227 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 2: Not just about developing a major league player, it's about 228 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: developing a winning major league player, I mean, and that's 229 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 2: part of it too. And and so there are some dots, 230 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: there's some eyes that need to be dotted, and some 231 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: teas they need to be crossed. I mean, Preston manningly 232 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: said it to himself. There's a huge gap between Triple 233 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 2: A and Major LEA baseball right now. There really is. 234 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: And just because the guys you know, swinging the band, 235 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: maybe even just as big from Double A to the 236 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: major leagues. And so just because the guys having success 237 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: at the Double A level does not necessarily mean you're 238 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: going to be have be successsful player or ready to 239 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 2: play in the major leagues. Sometimes it takes some time, 240 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: and I think everybody's in an individual here, But I'd 241 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: like to think that we did do the right for 242 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: some of those guys. Maybe the players didn't feel that 243 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: way because he probably thought they should be in the 244 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: big leagues. But hey, again, they made their marks and 245 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: they're and they've had great years. 246 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: Well, I know Ryan Howard didn't, because I still I 247 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: remember the time that Harold Reynolds went on Baseball Tonight 248 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: and said that his brother sent a fax to the 249 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: Phillies demanding a Ryan Howard trade. Remember that, Oh I remember, 250 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: I know, I remember. 251 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: This is so funny. 252 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 5: His brother being Larry the age, Arry Reynolds, the agent, 253 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 5: Larry rends the agent, Harold comes. 254 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: Up, it was a great agent, and then was fired obviously, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 255 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: But I will remember this. I was driving home that 256 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: day and my office called this is like, you know, 257 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: just flip phones and whatever, and they go, yeah, you know, 258 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: Harold Reynolds went on and said the Phillies that Larry Reynolds, 259 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Howard's agent faxed over a trade demand. 260 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: Oh crap, all. 261 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: Right, so I pull over on the side of the road. 262 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: I pulled no parking. I call Ed Wade, who was 263 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: the GM at the time, and I said, Hey, Ed, 264 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm calling about this report there Reynolds faxed over a 265 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: trade demand. He's like, that is correct, And I said, uh, 266 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: and what and what's your what's your I mean, what's 267 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: your response to that? And it goes duly noted. 268 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: In other words like this is not how trades work. 269 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: In your hat. 270 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I know, yeah, exactly, exactly, Like a guy 271 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 5: with no big league service time, no matter how good 272 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 5: he is, cannot demand a trade, and obviously they end 273 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 5: up trading you know, uh, you know, Pad ends up 274 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 5: trading Tony and Howard comes up and becomes MVP in 275 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: two thousand and six. 276 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: So one other guy that Preston talked about, which I 277 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be such a big important season for him, 278 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: not that this season wasn't important, was the development of 279 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: McK abel. He mentioned that he thinks hopefully that these 280 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: struggles this year will help him in the long run. 281 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: He is still only twenty two. You know, he played 282 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: high school baseball in Oregon. He missed time because of COVID, 283 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, so he's you can make the argument that 284 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: he's behind a lot of other guys in terms of 285 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: his development. But this was a guy that we've talked 286 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: a lot about that was supposed to do that should 287 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: have been in position to be that number five starter 288 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: this year and lockdown that number five starter spot instead 289 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: of the parade that they had late in the season. 290 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: You know, a big year for him too. You know, 291 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: they if they if he could actually turn a corner 292 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: now they're now, they're in now, they're in good shape 293 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: with pain and abor kind of how they kind of 294 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: how they envisioned it. 295 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 2: That would we create obviously a whole a little a 296 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: different set of areas of depth for them. And that's 297 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: no question about it. But everybody's different, man, everybody. Everybody 298 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: has to go through ups and downs their their bodies 299 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: and their minds have to be developed and uh and 300 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: sometimes it just takes some more time than others for 301 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: certain guys, and hopefully that's what happens. They have the ability. 302 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: It's not about the stuff. It's not about the arm strength. 303 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: It's not about any of that. It's really about whether 304 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: their makeup allows them to get to the place where 305 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: they can, you know, mechanically do what's necessary to be 306 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: an effective Major leaguer. 307 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: And on the current events side, we get into a 308 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 4: little bit about selectivity at the plate for hitters and 309 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: not chasing, and he said something I agree with. I mean, 310 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 4: you know, you got to bring those guys into your system. 311 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: You've gotta You're gotta draft them and acquire them, because 312 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 4: those skills are often you know, in place on a 313 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 4: get long before he gets to your system. You can 314 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 4: tweak them, you can improve them, but the guy usually 315 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: has that inate ability to control the strike zone or 316 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: at least something he developed as a young player and 317 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: he carried it forward. So it's tough to take a 318 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 4: guy who's chased his whole career, his whole life and 319 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 4: has a high chase rate and all of a sudden 320 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: turning them into mister selectivity. So yeah, you got to 321 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: be eyeball and those players and bring him in and 322 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: then tweak them along the way. If you really want 323 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: to kind of change the organizational or make it an 324 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 4: organizational strength, I should say. 325 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: I mean hitting is a very it's a skill. It's 326 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: like a real God given skill eye hand coordination, being 327 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: able to take your barrel of your bat to a 328 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: ninety plus ninety seven mile an hour cutter or fastball 329 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: or change up or breaking ball. That is an actual 330 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: skill set that is God given. You can improve on it, 331 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: you can get better. There's ways to get better. But 332 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: it's like saying, you know this guy's instinctive, Well, he 333 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: was born with that instinct. It was not he didn't 334 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 2: develop the instinct. You can get better and become a 335 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 2: smarter player, but that instinct that is innate and something 336 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: that comes God given. And you know, that's what he 337 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 2: was talking about. As far as just bringing him into 338 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: the system. You got to bring those guys in who 339 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: have that ability already. You know. 340 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: You talk about chase rate and swing and miss and 341 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: I've been watching the World Series and I have seen 342 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: Aaron Judges struggles and it's all over TV, you know, 343 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and all over the internet and all over everything. He's 344 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: swinging and missing a lot, He's chasing a lot of pitches. 345 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: And man, I'm watching these World Series games, I'm going 346 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: you really appreciate how good Bryce Harper is considering how 347 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: this guy gets nothing in the strike zone to hit. 348 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean I went and I looked at the numbers today, 349 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: and pitches in the strike on Bryce Harper like thirty 350 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: eight point five percent in the last two year, last 351 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: three postseasons, he ranks eighty first out of eighty three 352 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: hitters that have seen like fifty or more pitches in 353 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the strike zone in terms of you know, pitches overall 354 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: pitches in the strike zone. He gets nothing to hit, 355 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: and this guy but still puts up major numbers, you know, 356 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: ops over like one point one, you know, hit hitting 357 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: almost like three thirty in the I think three twenty 358 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: five in the postseason the last three years. Just that 359 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: just really jumped out of me. As you see Aaron 360 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Judge struggle with it, and you go, he's actually seeing 361 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: more strikes than Bryce Harper, does you know? I know 362 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of not exactly apples to apples, but 363 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: you know that that that that that jumps out. 364 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 4: There's there's so much there, you know, focus on Bryce. 365 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously he's a remarkable player. If you can 366 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 4: put like when bald was productive of May June, you know, 367 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 4: Harper was a player of the Month yeah, get that 368 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: little bit of give that picture a little something to 369 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 4: think about. With a protective bat behind him, makes me 370 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: even better. And then the whole judge thing, like legacies 371 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: and reputations can be built in the postseason, or at 372 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 4: least enhanced. I mean, he's an MVP, he's a future 373 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer already, I would say, but you know 374 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 4: they your resume, A great resume includes postseason success. I 375 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: mean it's probably like you look at a guy like 376 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 4: Shilling and I think he got a lot of Hall 377 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: of Fame votes. Obviously, I'm not going to get into it. 378 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: He's not in the Hall of Fame, but he had 379 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 4: a lot of Hall of Fame supporters and a lot 380 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 4: of people hung their support for him on what he 381 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: did in the postseason. So postseason can really enhance the 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 4: guy's reputation and his resume, whatever you want to call it. 383 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 4: And he has struggles, and he is struggling in this one, 384 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 4: and he's doing it in a market where they put 385 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: so much emphasis on the postseason and so much glare 386 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 4: on it. It'll follow him unless he turns it around 387 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 4: and it has a great postseason, it wins the championship. 388 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: Someday yeah, I mean to think about great players who 389 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: struggling in the postseason. Barry Bonds, I mean, one of the 390 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: best hitters, the best hitter I've ever seen, and he 391 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: struggled in the postseason. Played in to have at as many 392 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: reps I guess, but but didn't didn't have a ton 393 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: of success either. Listen, it's a different ballgame. People don't 394 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: think it's not a different ballgame in the postseason. You're wrong, 395 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: especially when there's really high expectations. I think Aaron Judge 396 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: is caught in between right now, probably you know, expecting 397 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: a lot from himself and also you know, a nice 398 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: job by the Dodgers of doing what they need to 399 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: do to try to to tamper his production. So hey, 400 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: this is part of the game. But hey, you feel 401 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: for the guy because, I mean, he's a great ambassador 402 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: of the game, I think, great professional and and hopefully 403 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 2: for his sake, he can turn things around. 404 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, if not this postseason, you know, then you know 405 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: future postseasons. I remember John Elway couldn't win the Big 406 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: One until he won a bunch of them, you know, 407 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: so you know you can you can get that turned 408 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: around pretty quickly. 409 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: I think, great, great players are so cognizant of that 410 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: that how much postseason or playoff performance means. And then 411 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: they press. And when you press, you're not yourself. You're 412 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 4: not the guy who put up those big numbers all 413 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 4: during the season. You're you're somebody else. And you can 414 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 4: see it just the way he's chasing pitches. Put too 415 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: much pressure on yourself. It's really hard to perform up 416 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 4: to your up to your normal standard because that normal 417 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 4: standard is is is just natural. 418 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: So like going back to like that, that rate Harper 419 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: this postseason seventy fifth out of seventy nine. Like players 420 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: with like fifty or more pitches. Pitches in the zone 421 00:21:54,359 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: below him are his Shoho Tani, Trey Turner, Chris Taylor 422 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: last three postseasons only Corey Seeger and Showyotani. I've seen 423 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: fewer pictures in the strike sunes, So again, what Price 424 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: does is pretty remarkable. Yeah, guys, it is Halloween Thursday night, 425 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: and I thought I would share something that you guys 426 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: might Yeah, so I found this picture. You know, one 427 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: of the kids in the neighborhood in my son's class 428 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: went as Brandon Marsh a couple of weeks ago. They 429 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: had a thing at the school and he ended up 430 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: winning a prize for best costume in his in his grade. 431 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, Brandon marsh that's a good idea. 432 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: And it reminds me of this. Take a look at 433 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: this photo. This is me probably nineteen eighty two. Camera 434 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: quality is not great. That is me in a Brewer's costume. 435 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: You had the Really the picture quality. 436 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 4: Is not great. 437 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: That is a painted on handlebar mustache. That is me 438 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: as Raleigh Fingers. For Halloween. I went, I went for 439 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: I love that costume. So I went as Rally Fingers 440 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: two years in a row, nine years ago in nineteen 441 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: eighty years. 442 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know a Rally Fingers. 443 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: He's a man, yeah he or whatever. 444 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: So that was That was my Halloween costume when I 445 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: was did my mom painted it on. 446 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 4: I had a Brewers jersey. 447 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: I had a Brewers baseball cap and uh, that was 448 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: probably one of my more memorable costumes. 449 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 4: When I guarantee you all three of us, that's how 450 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 4: we learned through ROLLI Fringers, how we learned what a 451 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: handlebar mustache is. The espression handlebar. And I can remember 452 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 4: looking at that thing when he was pitching for the 453 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 4: Oakland A's in the seventies staring asking my dad about it, 454 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 4: he said, well, you have to wax it and curl it. 455 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 4: I love the story. So the as all had facial hair, right, mustaches, mustaches, 456 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 4: and I love the story about how they they all, 457 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 4: you know, started growing mustaches. So Charlie Findley was the 458 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: owner and Reggie Jackson was on the team, and I 459 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: think he had like a facial hair policy that Charlie 460 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: Finley like this guy's clean cot and clean shaven. But 461 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: Reggie was his own guy, and he decided he was 462 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 4: going to have a beard or a mustache or something. 463 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 4: So Finley decided he was going to upstage Reggie, and 464 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 4: he offered all the players three hundred bucks if they 465 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 4: grew a mustache, so they would upstage Reggie so he 466 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 4: wouldn't stand out. I just love I had one encounter 467 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 4: with Roley Fingers. I man, I watched his whole career. 468 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 4: He was great, ye and he'd give me those three 469 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: inning saves. 470 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 471 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. When I was a kid, he got traded to 472 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: the Red Sox for one day. He actually put on 473 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: a Red Sox uniform, and then the commissioner rescinded the 474 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 4: trade and sent them back to Oakland. 475 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: But really so when I. 476 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 4: Think it was the Subway Series in two thousand, Mets Yankees, 477 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 4: like I camped out at the LaGuardia Mariotte for like 478 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: two weeks, and I was in there on the treadmill 479 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: one day, you know, one day, and Alli Fingers was 480 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 4: on the next treadmill over. He was in at the 481 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 4: World Series doing some promotional work and he still had 482 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 4: the handlebar. He looked great, and talked a little baseball 483 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: with him. I tried not to, you know, get under 484 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: his skin, but it was. It was really cool. And 485 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: I said, I know this guy in Milwaukee who you know, 486 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 4: wore a costume of you. 487 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 6: I don't kid, Jim, did you ever wear a costume 488 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 6: of a player when you were I think I may 489 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 6: have gone with at the time that you know, the 490 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 6: Flyers are big seventy four or seventy five, So when 491 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 6: I was about seven or eight years old, no, eight 492 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 6: or nine years old during that time, nine or ten, 493 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 6: I probably went with. 494 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: Like a Rick c Rick McLeish or Bobby Clark or something. 495 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure I and he didn't go as Bobby, maybe 496 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: even maybe even Bernie Parant. Did you ever go as 497 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: Bobby or or anybody like that there. 498 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 4: I think I actually wore my hockey my hockey year 499 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: to school one day as Bobby Orr for like a 500 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 4: class Halloween party. But nice, I was just usually a 501 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 4: home year one year. I was you yourself. I'm dating 502 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 4: myself here. But do you remember the show The Gong Show. 503 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 504 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 4: So they used to have this guy who used to 505 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 4: come out called the Unknown Comic, and he's he wore 506 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 4: a jacket a time, he put a bag over his head. Yeah, 507 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: one year, Unknown Comic and then yeah, that was fun. 508 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: That is great. 509 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: That is great. 510 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to Halloween tonight. 511 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 4: About your favorite candy. 512 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: My favorite candy for sure is Reese's peanut butter cups. 513 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: In fact, twenty twenty two, when the Phillies were in 514 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: the World Series, they were in Houston, I think they 515 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: were in Houston on Halloween, and I told my son, 516 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: I said, do me a favor, and Gret anytime you 517 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: can grab a peanut butter cup, grab a peanut butter cup. 518 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: And God bless him, he loves me. He showed me 519 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: as they took. My wife sent me a picture of 520 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: his his all of his goods. Afterward, he put everything 521 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: on the living room floor and there was a ton 522 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: of peanut butter cups. Yeah, so that made me feel 523 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: good about myself. 524 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 2: What about you, Jim, what are your top I candy? 525 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: I like them all. I love reces, I love uh, 526 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: I love peanut butter twigs, though they're hard to find now, 527 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: baby ruts I've always been, you know, you know, partial 528 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: of the baby roots. They're they're good ones. 529 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: How about your go So I'm Reese's peanut butter cups 530 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 2: got to be number one. Yeah, the chocolate peanut butter 531 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: combo platter. You know, it's just tremendous. But I also 532 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: go with but I also am really big on Snickers 533 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 2: and also really big on almond Joys. You know, I'm 534 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: a joy has nuts. 535 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mom, don't. 536 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: That's what they say. 537 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 4: That's what they say. Oh my gosh. 538 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: We we actually bought our our Halloween candy a couple 539 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and we've slowly, I've slowly eaten all 540 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: the peanut butter cups. So we have to go out 541 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: restock before you got to regroup, Yeah, yeah, before tonight. 542 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 3: So uh, Anyway, I thought you guys would get a 543 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 3: kick out a rally fingers photo and well, yeah, we'll 544 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: be back. Off season is gonna be officially underway to 545 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 3: see what the Phillies have up their sleeves over the 546 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: next few weeks, and we'll be coming at least twice 547 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: every week, so keep. 548 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: Keep following us all off season. 549 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 2: Let's go, I'll talk again Halloween. 550 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 4: Smell you later, boys later. 551 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 552 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Phillies Show on YouTube and 553 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. If you like us, give 554 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: us a review, Follow us on Instagram, TikTok x, Facebook, 555 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: and threads. 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