1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You know Reggaeton, but do you know the whole story? 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: Hi? 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 3: I'm Gini Montado, senior producer and sound designer of loud 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 3: The History of Regheton. Did you hear the news? Loud 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: is back by a popular demand. Listen to all ten 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 3: episodes that break down the beats, politics, and power behind 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 3: the genre. Hosted by Laota herself Evie Queen. Listen now 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: only on Spotify. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: A quick disclaimer because we recorded this conversation before Congress 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 4: advanced a deal to end the government shutdown with the 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: help of several Democrats who broke the party line, but 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 4: with democratic infighting back in the headlines, our conversation is 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 4: just as relevant as ever. It has been a year 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: since Donald Trump won the elections, and last week voters 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: elected candidates that are far, far far from what Trump 16 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: represents in some places making history, like in New York 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: City with Zoran Mamdani. 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: He wants to change stuff. 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 5: He doesn't want to be the same thing over and over. 20 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: He really relates to like millennials gen z. 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 6: But I also hope that there are more people like 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 6: him who are actually advocating for a better future. 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 4: He will be the first Muslim and South Asian to 24 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 4: become mayor of New York City. 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 7: The conventional wisdom would tell you that I am far 26 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 7: from the perfect candidate. I am young, despite my best 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 7: efforts to grow older. I am Muslim, I am a 28 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 7: democratic socialist, and most damning of all, I refuse to 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 7: apologize for any of this. 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 4: Democrats also won big in places like Virginia. 31 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 5: In the race for governor of Virginia, Democrat Abigail Spanberger 32 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 5: defeated Republican Winsome Earl Sears, flipping the office from red 33 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 5: to blue. 34 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: California, a yes vote on Proposition fifty would open the 35 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: door for Democrats to gain as many as five more 36 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: seats in Congress and New Jersey. 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 3: New Jersey Governor elect Mikey Cheryl giving voice to what 38 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: is undoubtedly a bounce back moment for Democrats in New. 39 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 4: Jersey and Latinos and Latinas as usual played a big role. 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: During the elections. 41 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 4: Earlier this week, Latino voters appear to have rebuked the 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 4: Trump administration, shifting back towards the left. 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Now, it's been a whirlwind. 44 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: So now that the emotions have settled, we're going to 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 4: take a breath and look ahead from Fuduro Media. It's 46 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa. Today a panel of 47 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 4: journalists joined me to discuss how last week's elections could 48 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: impact the future of the Democratic Party and next year's midterms, 49 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 4: and we're going to talk about the role that the elusive, 50 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: so called Latino vote plays in all of this. This moment, 51 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: I gotta say, is a little bit of deja vous 52 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 4: because last year, after the general elections, I was joined 53 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: by the same journalists that are joining me today. I'm 54 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: joined by Paula Ramos, who's a journalist and political commentator, 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: along with Jin Guerrero, who is a columnist and also 56 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: an investigative journalist. Now one year later, we decided to 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: invite them back, this time to analyze elections that had 58 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: a very different result. We all know now that Republicans 59 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: crushed it in twenty twenty four, lot of that with 60 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: the support of Latino and Latina voters, and now this 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: year Democrats are getting to take a victory lap. So 62 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 4: together we're going to sit down and figure out just 63 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: what's going on. But also this year we decided to 64 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 4: invite our very own Nood Saudi. She's a lead producer 65 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 4: at our investigative unit here at Futuro and also with 66 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: Latino USA. Welcome to Latino USA, to our great roundtable here. 67 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: And my first question is, and I'll start with you, Baula, 68 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 4: what is one your emotional state? You know, I love 69 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: to talk about this stuff, but also what is your 70 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 4: like political state? 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: So just a quick round robin. 72 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 6: I feel hopeful in the sense that I think, for 73 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 6: the first time in a long time, and I would 74 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 6: even say for the first time maybe since since Barack 75 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 6: Obama's election, there seems to be a movement that goes 76 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 6: beyond part lines, right, and I think that's where Zoran 77 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 6: is taking New York City. Even as journalists not to 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 6: be able to cover that and that feeling. I think 79 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 6: this is the first time, in honesty, in years where 80 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 6: I've been able to feel that hope in people. 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. 82 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 4: Okay, she invoked Barack Obama. I can't believe you did that, 83 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: but okay I did. We're gonna take it as a 84 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 4: historical moment. 85 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm echoing Tala's message of feeling of hope. You know, 86 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: I was born and raised in New York City, so 87 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: I've been here all my life and I'm a post 88 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: nine to eleven millennial Muslim, so I think like coming 89 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: up of age in that time. That's just as Zahan 90 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: Mamdani did, like you kind of like grow up with 91 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 2: this idea that you don't expect to see this happen 92 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: in our city, right, So yeah, I felt like definitely 93 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: hopeful that night, and also a little wary of like 94 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,559 Speaker 2: the identity representation isn't everything, you know, Like hope should 95 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: be a catalyst, sure, right, not. 96 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: Like the endpoint, Jean. 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 5: I feel hopeful too, cautiously optimistic. I just think it's 98 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 5: it's been such a long time since I think the 99 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 5: Democratic Party has reckoned with the need for creativity and 100 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 5: to think outside the box, and this election is very 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 5: much a. 102 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: Wake up call to do just that. 103 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 5: I mean, the wins for Democrats were not endorsements of 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 5: the Democratic Party. They were acts of resistance against a 105 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 5: political order that has for too long benefited an elite 106 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 5: minority at the expense of everybody else. 107 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: And the candidates ran as their own people. 108 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 5: And I think this is hopeful because the Democratic Party 109 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: desperately needs to look in the mirror and start thinking 110 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 5: a lot more creatively in the ways that we saw 111 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 5: in this race. 112 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: So Baola, you know New York City is it's the 113 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: place where diversity, as it were, for lack of another term, 114 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: it's all up against us. 115 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: We live it. 116 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 4: That's why we love New York. But if you travel 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 4: around the country, I mean, I see that same vibe, 118 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: smaller vibe Kansas City, Louisville, Kentucky, Omaha, Nebraska. It's so, 119 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: what do you think that the lessons are for the Democrats, 120 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: considering that New York is not such a kind of 121 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 4: outlier as it were in terms of the electoral representation 122 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: of the groups there. 123 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 6: I think New York has always been cast as this 124 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 6: anomaly now, as this kind of progressive quote unquote radical 125 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 6: liberal BASTIONI but I like to remind people that this 126 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 6: is a city where the last two out of four 127 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 6: mayors were elected as Republicans. Right. This is a city 128 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 6: where not too long ago we elected a former cop, 129 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,679 Speaker 6: a former Republican. Not only that Donald Trump's biggest swings 130 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 6: across the country were right here in New York City, 131 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 6: right from the Bronx to Queens. And so I think 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 6: in that sense, I think what there is to learn 133 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 6: is from the way in which Zorn didn't just mobilize 134 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 6: the traditional Democratic coalition, but what he added to that right, 135 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 6: he added disaffected, disillusioned young people who are in dependent right, 136 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 6: who are in a sense politically homeless, who have lost 137 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 6: complete interests in both Democrats and Republicans. Not only that, 138 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 6: he was also able to mobilize Trump supporters. Where he 139 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 6: did that in the primaries, he was able to go 140 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 6: into the precincts where Donald Trump did really well and 141 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 6: he won over those people. 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: So what do you learn from that? 143 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 6: I think you're seeing at the national level Democrats tiptoeing 144 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 6: around these very key moral issues. Right are you against 145 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 6: or are you for? 146 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: Immigration? Are you against or are you for trans people? 147 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 6: It's simple, and I do think that Democrats need an 148 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 6: ideological movement that is rooted in very clear moral parameters, 149 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 6: and that, to me, is the only way. 150 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: To kind of defeat trump Ism. 151 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 6: And I think that, to me is where one can 152 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 6: learn from New York City. 153 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: And again I mean young people. My sense is that 154 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: this generation does not want to stand by as a 155 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 4: genocide is happening. Obviously Mamdani did not shy away from that. 156 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: So what's your take away? Also, you have another added 157 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 4: part not only are you Palestinian Brooklyn woman, but you 158 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: live on Staten Island. 159 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously we saw the results. 160 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: Staten Island overwhelmingly still went out for Cuomo, right, But 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: when you look more deeply at like the districts, he 162 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: was doing so well in the very immigrant heavy neighborhoods, 163 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: like even in Staten Island, like the neighborhoods of like 164 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: Clifton and like on the North Shore, where there's predominantly 165 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: more immigrant communities. And I think that speaks to how 166 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: not only was he able to build like a diverse electorate, 167 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: but like he had a diverse coalition, right of the 168 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: people who went out and door knocked people from those 169 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: same immigrant communities were the ones talking to the folks 170 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood and on the same level able to 171 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: explain like clearly, like what Paul was saying, like clearly 172 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: what his policies were and how he was going to 173 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: carry out those solutions, you know, for people. 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's what they resonated with. 175 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: And I think Democrats should walk away from this knowing 176 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: that historically they have not been clear. 177 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: On their messaging. 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 2: Right, they flip floted on all of these issues and 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 2: that doesn't resonate with voters. 180 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: So, Gene, you are in La. A lot happened in California. 181 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: We could do a whole hour on what happened in California, 182 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: but for a national audience, what is the big takeaway 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: of voters in California and what do you think it 184 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 4: means for what we really want to be talking about, 185 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: which is twenty twenty six. 186 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean with Proposition fifty, you saw something similar 187 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 5: with you know, with Mom Donnie being able to appeal 188 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 5: to Trump voters as well as people who opposed Trump. 189 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 5: You saw California counties that backed Trump in twenty twenty 190 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 5: four voting by double digits to remove their Republican representatives, 191 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 5: you know, voting for Proposition fifty in Fresno, in Merced 192 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 5: and Imperial County and San Bernardino. And I think it 193 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 5: just reflects this dissatisfaction with both political parties. I think 194 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 5: it would be a mistake to think that people voted 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 5: for Prop fifty in California because they have faith in 196 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 5: the Democrats. What they have faith in is their own 197 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 5: power to subvert the system as it is working right now, 198 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 5: and that is what Prop fifty was about in California, 199 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: and I think a big part of it was immigration, 200 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 5: the fact that so many of these border patrol and 201 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 5: ice arrests are targeting valued community members. I think that 202 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 5: wasn't the number one factor. The number one factor was 203 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 5: affordability and the economy and people wanting better lives and 204 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 5: systems that serve them. But I do think immigration was 205 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 5: part of it because Trump said, like, you know, I'm 206 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: going to deport all these people and it's going to 207 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 5: make your life better, And the reality that people are 208 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 5: seeing is that that's just not the case. In fact, 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 5: everything is getting more expensive, housing prices, food, et cetera. 210 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick break and coming up 211 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 4: on let you know, USA. 212 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: It seems radical, whether you're Democrat or Republican, to be 213 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 5: talking about amnesty, to be talking about a pathway to citizenship, 214 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 5: but that is the only way to. 215 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: Stay with us, not deyes. Hey, We're back with journalists 216 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: Paul Ramos, Nur Saudi, and Jean Guerrero. We're talking about 217 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: the impact that Trump's mass deportations may be having on 218 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 4: voters and on future elections. So, Jean, you are an 219 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 4: expert on Stephen Miller. He is considered a mastermind of 220 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 4: the mass deportations and anti diversity slash white supremacy rhetoric. 221 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 4: What do you think is going on in his mind? 222 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: If you will, how much do you think the White 223 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 4: House is paying attention to what just happened as they 224 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 4: prep for twenty twenty six. 225 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 5: Well, I think Miller's scared. I would assume that they're 226 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 5: paying very close attention to this race. I don't think 227 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 5: that this means that they're going to change strategies, because 228 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 5: I think what they're counting on is the Democrats responding 229 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: in the same clueless way that they have in the 230 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 5: past and not creating a counter narrative on immigration. And 231 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: the way that they can do that is by tying 232 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 5: immigrant rights to workers' rights. Many Americans feel like their 233 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 5: basic needs are not being met, so they don't want 234 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 5: to think about this stranger when they're struggling. But the 235 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 5: thing is that this is not about strangers. This is 236 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 5: about millions of long time undocumented neighbors and valued community 237 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: members who are feeding your family and cooking your food 238 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 5: and caring for your elders. And so I think given 239 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 5: that immigration was a factor in these recent elections, and 240 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 5: you are seeing the Latino vote responding accordingly, not because 241 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 5: immigration is a number one issue, but because immigration and 242 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 5: the economy and affordability, all of these things are tied up. 243 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 5: You need the Democratic Party to start reframing the immigration 244 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 5: issue as a communal issue. 245 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 246 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 6: Look, I'm gonna be honest, I actually don't. I don't 247 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 6: think that Trump and Steven Miller are freaking out, and 248 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 6: that freaks me out. I've been nervous around the way 249 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 6: in which I have seen a very calm White House 250 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 6: that hasn't really been in this kind of emergency mode 251 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 6: after what we saw two tuesdays ago. And that tells 252 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 6: me that there's a certain complacency for a couple of reasons. 253 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 6: Number one, because for them, this goes beyond the politics, right, 254 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 6: like the mass uportations, for them is again rooted in 255 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 6: this like ideological driven mission that defies the politics. 256 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Also, the complacency tells me that they're. 257 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 6: Almost like not competing anymore, right, They're almost not like 258 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 6: competing for constituents and competing for votes. And that tells 259 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 6: me that there is a long term plan to hold 260 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 6: on to power in a way that they want is 261 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 6: to kind of fall into the trap with this like 262 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 6: illusion of democracy. 263 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: This is going really dark, really fast. 264 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: And I'm in a very pessimistic mode right now. And 265 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 6: call me crazy, but that's where my minds. 266 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Are right now. 267 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: That's pretty dark. That's why I'm having this tempered reaction. 268 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: I agree that there are some pretty sinister parts to this. 269 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: So I just want to make sure that we talk 270 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: very specifically about the Latino vote in places that whether 271 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 4: it was New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, all of these places 272 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 4: where you saw as it were a kind of blue wave. 273 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 4: So Gene, your kind of takeaway from Latino voters? 274 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 5: Yes, and well, I think when I look at Proposition fifty, 275 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: the fact that Imperial County, which is the most Latino 276 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 5: county in California and also very much pro Trump, the 277 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: fact that they voted yes on Prop fifty by a 278 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 5: double digit margin, to me suggests that something really interesting 279 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 5: is going on, like I really, and I think it 280 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 5: kind of goes against this idea of there being a 281 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 5: vibe shift among Latinos. You know that the right word 282 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 5: shift that we saw in twenty twenty four was about 283 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 5: like some sort of fundamental realignment towards conservatism, like it 284 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: the votes for Trump among Latino communities in California were 285 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 5: a rejection of the establishment. So I think that's the 286 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 5: main sort of takeaway for me, that the politics of 287 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: scapegoating worked with many working class voters, including Latinos, for 288 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: a while because they wanted an easy solution to their problems. 289 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 5: But now you know, you're seeing mass deportations and the 290 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 5: militarization of cities, and nobody's life is getting better at 291 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 5: groceries are not getting cheaper, and it's like, oh, shoot, 292 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 5: we were duped and now let's do something else. 293 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: Which means bout for me, right, that the Latino and 294 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: Latina voter and the notion of a block is actually 295 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: becoming more and more like your typical US white voter, 296 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 4: which oftentimes votes against its own interests right solidly. The 297 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 4: black vote is in fact what delivered Mam Dannie his victory. 298 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: The black vote was essential. But what is your sense 299 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 4: of the takeaway nationally about Latino and Latina voters and 300 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 4: how do you think that your takeaway plays into twenty 301 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 4: twenty six. 302 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think the deeper narrative is that 303 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 6: this historically blue voting block maybe that is now politically homeless, 304 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 6: and that feels more independent is up for grabs and 305 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 6: now that was again does not mean that Democrats won 306 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 6: the Latino vote, and it does not mean that Democrat 307 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 6: Latino voters are now suddenly back to the Democratic Party. 308 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 6: It just means that we are persuadable and even someone 309 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 6: like Trump can win us over. 310 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 4: Hence the the US voter nud full of contradictions. Yeah, 311 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: perpetually changing its mind. It's hard to understand. 312 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think something interesting to see is how you know, 313 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: even though again like Staten Island went for Cuomo overwhelmingly 314 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: the black and Latino neighborhoods in Staten Island that did 315 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: go for Cuomo in the primary, they flipped to Mamdani 316 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 2: in the general election. And I think that kind of 317 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: speaks to how he was able to have this very clear, 318 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: consistent messaging on affordability, as we saw with like the 319 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: Democratic elections in other places this past election, you know, 320 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: in Virginia and Jersey, even though they ran their campaigns 321 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 2: very differently from Mandani, these Democrats were still speaking to 322 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: that core issue of like affordability, which I think, yeah, 323 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: made an impact. 324 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 4: Will be right back, Yes, Hey, we're back. Let's jump 325 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 4: into our conversation again. All right, So the morning after 326 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 4: the election, I looked up the definition of radical. It 327 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 4: means to go to the route. You know, if it 328 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 4: weren't for radical politics, there wouldn't have been a revolution 329 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: in the United States and a civil war in the 330 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 4: United States. So Bow, if you were to give counsel, 331 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 4: then at one point you did give counsel to the 332 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 4: Democratic Party, what would you say that a more radical 333 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 4: politics actually looks like. 334 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: I would actually, I wouldn't use the word radical. 335 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 6: I would say that, And I think that's the that's 336 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 6: the problem right that we have been And that's why 337 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 6: I mentioned Barack Obama when we started this conversation, because 338 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 6: Obama was to a one point considered radical, and the 339 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 6: only reason he was considered radical is because he allowed 340 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 6: people to dream beyond what was physically present and impossible. 341 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 6: So I think that's what Zoren is doing in a 342 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 6: way right where he is, he is basically saying what 343 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 6: what Trumpezzo has done, which is there's a way in 344 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 6: which you can imagine a better life outside of the system, 345 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 6: right where every single person can afford the same opportunities. 346 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 6: And there's absolutely nothing radical about that idea. Now, I 347 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 6: think now Republicans. What we're seeing is that they we 348 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 6: are about to enter a massive, massive narrative, ideological warfare 349 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 6: where this city will be deemed a radical communist city. 350 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 6: So I think I'm going to stop using the word 351 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 6: radical moving forward and kind of normalize the politics that 352 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 6: we're seeing in New York. 353 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 4: You know, all right, Bob, what's your sense of what 354 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 4: radical politics could look like? Assuming we continue to use 355 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 4: that word for now? 356 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think like going also like talking 357 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 2: about like the definition of radical in terms of politics, right, 358 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 2: Like it has always meant just change, changed to like 359 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: how a society's structure and system operates, whether it's the 360 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: political system or whatever. And I feel like for so 361 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 2: long Democrats have been rejecting change, and yet, like all 362 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 2: I said, like issues like affordable housing, healthcare, like raising 363 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: the minimum wage, like they're called radical, but they're like 364 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: actually super popular issues. I guess it was a really 365 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: big issue in twenty twenty four and in this election, 366 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: and that like the majority of Americans agreed on not 367 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: even just Democrats, And so by definition that can be radical, right, 368 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: Like it's the majority, Like it's not friends. The people 369 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: who are friends here are like the Democratic leaders who 370 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: are like refusing to listen to their base. 371 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 4: Free buses nationwide, Gene, get it of a free bus, 372 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: free childcare nationwide. 373 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: It's a concept, Gene. Just quickly. 374 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 4: Your sense of radical politics for for the country is 375 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 4: for Latino and Latin have voters. 376 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, people are upset about economic inequality and 377 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 5: you cannot address that when you have a manufactured underclass. 378 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: That you are ignoring. 379 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: And right now it sounds radical. It seems radical, whether 380 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 5: you're a Democrat or Republican to be talking about amnesty, 381 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 5: to be talking about a pathway to citizenship. All of 382 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 5: these things sound so radical, like why even bring them up? 383 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 5: But that is the only way. I mean, you need 384 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 5: a pathway to citizenship for the millions of people whose 385 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 5: wages are suppressed and as a result of that suppression, 386 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: it contributes to economic inequality. Emancipating that manufactured underclass is 387 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 5: the only way to bring economic equality to working families 388 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 5: across the United States. 389 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: And Democrats are so. 390 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 5: Afraid of even approaching that issue. And that is why 391 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 5: Miller has been able to Stephen Miller has been able 392 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 5: to just monopolize the American imagination when it comes to 393 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 5: immigration because he links it to the issues that people 394 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 5: care about, and it's not just about you know, let's 395 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 5: do the right thing for the stranger. Let's be nice 396 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: to the stranger. They're not strangers. Until we recognize how 397 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 5: fundamentally linked our ability to progress economically is to theirs, 398 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 5: then we're going to be stuck in the same place. 399 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 4: Okay, So again, full transparency. What we are celebrating at 400 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: Futuro Media Latino USA is not the win of any 401 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 4: particular candidate or party. We are celebrating engagement in the 402 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 4: democratic process, and in particular, seeing Latino and Latina latinx 403 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: Latine voters engaged, especially young voters, is super important. But 404 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 4: in the vibe of celebrating what's your go to song 405 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 4: right now? Jin Gerero, that's making you feel like, yeah, 406 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: what is it? 407 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, my go to song? Lately? 408 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 5: I've actually been listening to the new Rosalia album. Yes, 409 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: I'm absolutely loving really key. Yeah. 410 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 411 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 5: It's just like the joyousness, the depth, the celebration of 412 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 5: multi lingualism. 413 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: That's the song I'm listening to your go to song? 414 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: Oh my god. If I'm gonna be honest on the show, 415 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: it's gonna sound so cliche, because like, I'm like a 416 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: single with a woman, and this is not why I'm 417 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 2: listening to this song, and it's not an invitation for 418 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: like d ms. But the very song Where's My Husband 419 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: is so good and I can't get out of my 420 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: head and I'm obsessed with it right now. 421 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, Where's my Husband? 422 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 4: That is cracking me up. 423 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm with Geane. 424 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 6: I've been obsessively listening To's last album. I think it's 425 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 6: spectacular and my favorite song is like you Lad. I 426 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 6: think it is beautiful. I'm obsessed. 427 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 4: I love it, okay, and mine is okay, I'm late 428 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 4: to the game. But oh my god, doom Machalie, Oh 429 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: my god, is that nude. 430 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: Just like a super popular old Bollywood song? 431 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 6: Okay, I have like I just I just discovered it. 432 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: Just is so thank you so much, Boo, thank you 433 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: so much, Gene, thank you so much, Nude. 434 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. 435 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 4: My guests were journalists. Her latest book is called Defectors, 436 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: The Rise of the Latino Far Right and what it 437 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 4: Means for America. Also journalist Jan Guerrero. Her latest book 438 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: is hate monger Stephen Miller, Donald Trump and the White 439 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 4: nationalist agenda, and we were also joined by our very 440 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 4: own Nur Saudi, who's a lead producer for Turo Media's 441 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 4: investigative unit and for Latino USA. This episode was produced 442 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 4: by Rebecca Evarra and Roman Marquez. It was edited by Benni, 443 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 4: Lei Ramirez and our managing editor Fernando Echavari. It was 444 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: mixed by Leah shaw Dameran. 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