1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Call It what it Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Luddington, 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, and welcome to another episode. 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 3: Oh what it is? 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Oh, we have someone who actually has incredible pitch singing voice. No, 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: that is not Camilla Luttington. That you hear is the 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: other voice today. You have none other than the most 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I have experienced you to be an incredible mother. 9 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: I've watched you be an incredible partner. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: We are in community together, and I know your friendship circle, 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: so I know that you keep you keep really good company. 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 4: So it's so nice to be in an interview with 13 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: someone I know and love. And I'm just kind of 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: like getting goosebumps from how nice you just work to me? 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: Thank you lovely? 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: All true, all true, And we're here with none other 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: than Natasha bedding Field. We've been also humming unwritten all 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: morning long as we came to this podcast. And you 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: and I share being really well known for one thing, 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: some of this incredible music. 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 5: Hope. 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, maybe it's true. 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: We've done so many other things and people can be 24 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: like what, well, what have you? Like you're back or something, 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 4: and it's like, well, no, I mean I've been working. Yeah, no, 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: I'm really still here, yeah, still here, still being creative, 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean it all it's amazing. But also 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 4: I think too, we both have quite a young audience. Yes, yeah, 29 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: it's really amazing. Yeah, I mean it's very unique. 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: But actually to us, yes it is, and I think 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: that well, I'm hearing you say that it is. 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: It's it's not just a young audience. It's that there is. 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: You know, you put out work and all you can 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: hope is that it has has teeth enough to grab 35 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: someone and make them feel some kind of way, whether 36 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: it was what you intended them to feel when you 37 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: wrote it or sang it, produced it, or something entirely different. Right, 38 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes these songs are playing at our greatest, during some 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: of our greatest moments, and sometimes they're playing at some 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: of our lowest moments, and yet they mean so much 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: to us, and they start to like, every time you 42 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: hear that song, you you think of that. 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: Time or whatever. It is, so music is so important. 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: I love that you said the teeth, that it has 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: teeth enough kind of bite, It kind of bites, and 46 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: it actually resonates and it goes deeper than a little moment. 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I love that. That's what I think. But 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: you hope that we all hope that is what that 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 2: is what you hope. 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: Now we find ourselves in situations where because of different 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: the ways that our businesses have changed. Music industry has changed, 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: the watching you know, content now isn't just TV or 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: a film, it's content and the way that that's being 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: watched has changed. And so now because of that change, 55 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: your music that you wrote, you know, almost many years 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: ago is is. 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: Taking on a whole new life with another generation. 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: So it's like all the people that heard the first time, 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: they're still in they're still bopping down the street and 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: they're feeling all the goosebolms from listening to your music. 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: And now there's a whole nother level and generation the wave. 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, it's it's it's wonderful. I'm being flown 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: to England to sing for an English soccer team. That 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: is it's like the most amazing undergo, underdog story of 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: this soccer team that every time they win, they sing 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 4: unwritten in the dressing in the changing rooms, and then 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: they've finally they've made it into their Premier League this week, 68 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 4: and so they're flying me there for their what's mean 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: it's called Burnley, I'm going to root them. 70 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing? They're flying me? 71 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: Then I'm gonna and so it's it's it's awesome because 72 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: you just can't expect who is gonna, who's going to 73 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: connect with something that you that you make, and that 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: who would have known it would be all these men, 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 4: all these blokes. 76 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Tish dudes. Yeah yeah. So afterwards we go 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: out to the pub. Yeah, I take you out there 78 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: and I got to go out to the pub afterwards. 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: What do you do you think that I mean with 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: regards to unwritten specifically, I guess since that's what we're 81 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: talking about. 82 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: What do you think it was about the lyrics? That just. 83 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Like, I know what my answer is, but I want 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: to know what yours is like when you were writing 85 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: at the frame of mind that you were in, the 86 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: was there, I don't know your songwriting process that was 87 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: there a goal, an idea that was swishing around in there? 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: I think what spectacular is? 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 4: It really is a song that was to one person, 90 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: and it was to my youngest brother, and it was 91 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 4: really very honest and very real, and it was a 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: time where I'd just been signed by these amazing songwriters 93 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: and I was their very first artist, and we were 94 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: writing all these amazing, clever songs that were hilarious, kind 95 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: of like comedy writers, where we four of us would 96 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: sit around a table and we were just like go 97 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 4: free association and be as kind of wacky and crazy 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: and stupid, and we wrote songs like these words I 99 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 4: love you, I love you, I love you. It's just 100 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: like out of this world kind of stuff. Another song 101 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: called single about being single, and just very clever concepts. 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 4: And then I had this very simple idea about unwritten 103 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: it was and I was like, I would love to 104 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 4: write this, and. 105 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: They were all like it's a bit too preachy. 106 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 4: They're like, no one's going to go for that, and 107 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: so I was like, Okay, I guess this isn't the 108 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 4: right people to write with that. But I just put 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: the little note I had in my pocket, and when 110 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 4: I met Danielle Brezebois, that's when I was like, this 111 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: is the person I'm going to write it with. And 112 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: then it wasn't trying to be something and it wasn't 113 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 4: really like anything else. 114 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: But it was a time. But you had a direct line. 115 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: I mean you had a direct line too. 116 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: You were in the in the first show. Yeah. 117 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: And Danielle is one of the most amazing people who 118 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: she was a famous she was a famous actor. When 119 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 4: she was a kid, she was in all in the family, 120 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 4: so she was the kid in Archie Bunker's house. 121 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 122 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 4: And so she went from being a child star to 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: then being in a band, a huge band, So she 124 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: had many lives and she was just one of these 125 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 4: amazing people who'd kind of gone through a lot, and 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: together we just made this amazing song. 127 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: And then she was a mentor for me. 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: She got me on camera on your phone now and 129 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 4: she was like, and now talk to the camera. And 130 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: I was super shy, and she would take me into 131 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 4: Venice Beach and she would make me go up to 132 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: people and ask them questions and interview them, and you know, 133 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 4: so that was amazing. You know, you know when you 134 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 4: meet someone who's been in the industry before. And it 135 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: was about the pitfalls and so that was amazing. And 136 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: we wrote Pocket for the Sunshine together as well later on. 137 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: A couple of years later song. 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: I was really lucky that. 139 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 4: I met her, Yeah, and the other element that was 140 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: really special and that kept me very real in that 141 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 4: song is that I was feeling a bit out of 142 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: touch because I was writing with all these men and 143 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: I wanted my I just felt like I needed my 144 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 4: and so I invited my sister to come out and 145 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 4: stay with me. And all these guys were worried that 146 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 4: my sister would distract me, and they were made it 147 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: super hard actually, and Danielle was like, no, let her 148 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: have her sister out. And something about having my sister there, 149 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 4: Nicolaye was just made me feel grounded and made me 150 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 4: feel really honest. 151 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 152 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, God, isn't that amazing how that times out? 153 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: You just kind of know that it kind of says 154 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 4: what you wanted to say, but you don't know how 155 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 4: it's gonna there's no way of knowing or controlling how 156 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: where it's going to go. 157 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: No, you and you're putting it together for that first time. 158 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: You would have no idea just how many more times 159 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: you would sing that song. 160 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 4: Did you have that feeling when you were in Graz 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 4: Anatom that it would. 162 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: I I had the feeling pretty early on that we 163 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 5: were doing something that felt like. 164 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: It was new. 165 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: There was a freshness and honesty and vulnerability to it. 166 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't a. 167 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Baby baby actress, but I still felt like I was 168 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: in my nascent phases of understanding and owning showing up 169 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: to work and what that meant and storytelling and preparation 170 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: and all the things. 171 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: And I also felt like when I went there, I 172 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: was already a fan. My expectations were myself but. 173 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: Were willing to You knew it would mean you'd have 174 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: to talk about hot issues because that does already, or 175 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: it was talking about difficult things right, things that were 176 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: no nos ive already had that you already knew, I'm 177 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: gonna have to really come to the plate. 178 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean this is not about me, and 179 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: I see what you're doing here, Natasha, But I feel. 180 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: About me, okay, I. 181 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: Only because I know that that there are huge swaths 182 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: of your audiences that are are shared between us. 183 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: There's parallels here, there really are. 184 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: I felt a huge responsibility to a community that I 185 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: needed to show up in the most real and true 186 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: and positive way. Like I knew what the representation could mean. 187 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: I put a lot of pressure on myself. Can you 188 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: tell could mean if we. 189 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: Got it right? And and I get. 190 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 4: I've got as you're talking like I'll show you full 191 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: leg business because I hope you did. 192 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: And and you know the stories that we hear, you 193 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: know from from our beloved crew, they it it has 194 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: at least worked for some right and and and that 195 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: means everything to me. 196 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: So I love that. 197 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 4: I love that that was your intention because that's what 198 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 4: I can hear. And I think that's what the goosebumps 199 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 4: mean is it's like really your intention behind it. It's 200 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: really so pure there and that that's that feeling of 201 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: means it resonates. 202 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean like right like I mean again, 203 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: there's just so many of your songs, but we started 204 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: with Unwritten. I mean for me that there is such 205 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: a hopeful optimism to what feels like the impossible circumstance of. 206 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: Allowing yourself to be free. I think that's why. 207 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: Also we saw it come back around in anyone but you. 208 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: When the song came out, it was like this incredible, just. 209 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: Auditory hug. 210 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: It was like a big warm hug for your ears 211 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: and your heart and your soul. 212 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: Because you just knew what was going to happen next. 213 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that you don't get to play a 214 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: set without playing Unwritten at this point. 215 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to play on Written. 216 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: It will be riots I start. 217 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: When you are out in the world singing. I mean, 218 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: it's different. I've already seen you. I know the answer 219 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: to this question. 220 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: You give it your all. 221 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 1: I have watched so many Instagram reels and see so 222 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: much footage of you from all different angles, and you 223 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: just go for it. 224 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: I go, I go for it. I do. 225 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: And I'm kind of seeing myself as an athlete, and 226 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 4: I just always want to get better. 227 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: I want to always be a better singer, you know. 228 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you learn a lot of over 229 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 4: twenty years, Like you just learned so much, just able 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: to kind of really articulate yourself. 231 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: And well, that's all gonna say. 232 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: So given the story of Unwritten, and then you were 233 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: just saying twenty years, how do you feel like the 234 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: music industry has changed since that? I mean being supported 235 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: by you know, you're talking about Dan Yella and talking about, 236 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: you know, being around a bunch of blokes and saying like, well, no, 237 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: we don't want to distract her. She's this precious commodity 238 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: in this room, and this tender twenty year old girl 239 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: call that we need to and. 240 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 4: They hate boyfriends they hate, like when people bring their 241 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 4: boyfriends in and the boyfriends or the family try to 242 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: kind of meddle and they try to kind of separate 243 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 4: you from that, from anyone you're close to so they 244 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 4: can have full control. It just happens. And there you're 245 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 4: friends too, and I say you you're kind of like, sure, 246 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: that's how it goes. So I think it's what experience 247 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 4: a lot of women have, actually, yeah, is that there's 248 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 4: this this Bobby Doll thing where people want to kind 249 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 4: of like this is what you should wear, Like I'm 250 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 4: going to dress you, this is what looks good on you. 251 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 4: But it comes with language of like, you don't look 252 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 4: good in those colors where you like. It comes with 253 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: this language of expertise where you kind of have to go, well, 254 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: all right, oh whatever you think. 255 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: You know, was there a moment where you were like. 256 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't even realize it's happening. 257 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 4: Sometimes you have the illusion of control where you think, oh, well, no, 258 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: I don't really like any of these video directors, you know, 259 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 4: but that you have to choose right now because we're 260 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 4: doing the video in two days, so like there's no 261 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 4: option to kind of find another person's. 262 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I have friends I don't know if you do too, 263 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: that are performers, and I'm always in awe of them 264 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: because in those situations which we do all find ourselves in, 265 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: like yeah, that's true. 266 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: I have friends who will be like, well then we're 267 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: not shooting it in two days. Yeah, And I'm always 268 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: in all of them. Yeah, I'm sorry. Wait, I didn't 269 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: know that there was an option. See, you can't do that. 270 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: You can't do that, but you will be cool to 271 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: difficult women as well. 272 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: That's okay, okay. 273 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: But yeah, okay, that happens quite quick, especially twenty years ago, 274 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 4: I think, I mean, it probably still does. But twenty 275 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: years ago, it was definitely a thing that everyone was 276 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 4: afraid of a label that. 277 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: Don't you think this is why it drives me crazy? 278 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, still it is. 279 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: I think it's Oh, I think, I guess it probably 280 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: still is. It's funny I found myself. I have a 281 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: new job and we're about to start, and I want 282 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: to be surrounded by people who are better than me, 283 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: who are better at me than. 284 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: Other things, hopefully maybe. 285 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I always know that I work really hard 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: to bring what I bring to it, and I trust 287 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,239 Speaker 1: in that experience. 288 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: But it's funny. 289 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Because as a as a woman, as an act, as 290 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: a mother of four children, there's also parts of your 291 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: life where as you know, being a mother, there's certain 292 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: dates that you can't control. Like I've always run up 293 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: against my kids birthdays because there's four of them on 294 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: the longer and I've always gone to work and been like, 295 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: these are the days I need off. And that's not 296 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: even difficult to say I need my kid's birthday off. 297 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, there were times in my life where people 298 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: made it up. It was presented to me that it 299 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: was a real hardship. I was a problem I was 300 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: giving them that I had couldn't work on this day. 301 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: But I actually also do really relate to the family 302 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: one because I do feel like I I whenever it 303 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: was a family thing, I used to kind of cover 304 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: it over, you know, it was my family, even it 305 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: was my siblings or my parents, I would always kind 306 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 4: of like. 307 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: Pretend it something else. 308 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah she's lying, But do you like to be alone? 309 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: I do. I love it? 310 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you too, you too? Yeah, I love daydreaming too. 311 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 4: I used to to write lines in school saying it 312 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 4: will not daydream stop it. Yeah, because I was one 313 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: of those daydreamy kids. Like I was like, I'm never bored. 314 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know some people. 315 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: I've heard a couple of people say out loud, you know, 316 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I wouldn't know what to do with myself, 317 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: or I you know, I'm alone because the family is 318 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: going out of town this weekend and I can't go 319 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I'm like, I would absolutely kill for 320 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: a weekend home alone with no one needing anything from me. 321 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: That's what I'm fascinated by. 322 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: How different people are and how we want different things, 323 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: and now everyone thinks that we all want the same 324 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: thing and tries to convince everyone that this is You're 325 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: not going to be happy unless you have the if. 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: You unless you go to Disneyland or yeah something yeah 327 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: or yeah or whatever. When you're in the car, what 328 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: do you listen to? 329 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: I listen to really calming music when I'm in the car. 330 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 4: I like to feel like I'm in a movie. So 331 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 4: I listened to orchestras or yoga music or yeah. 332 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: So it's like a spa in your car, yeah or. 333 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 334 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: And I'm really into this band called Salt. 335 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 4: I don't know how you pronounce it s s a 336 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: U l T so cool. 337 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, and there's a girl from Portugal 338 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: called Marrow. I just love it. She's so great. 339 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: I really love that. And then how do you find 340 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: new music? 341 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 4: Just ask all my friends like, what are you listening to? 342 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: And then stop following it? And then do you listen? 343 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: You listen on Spotify? Yeah, you guys play on Spotify. 344 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: Girl too. Well, there's where our family's divided. 345 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: The boys and our family listen through Apple Music, okay, 346 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: And I didn't know that. I thought everyone was listening 347 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: on Spotify. And I canceled our Apple Music thing and 348 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: it was mutiny. 349 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: They were pissed. They were like, my my son was 350 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: like all of my playlists have been destroyed? What did 351 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: you do to me? And I was like, oh so 352 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: I would. I quickly went back, but he got on back. 353 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: You got back. 354 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a great taste of music. I have 355 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: to say, I give that to Christopher his credit, because 356 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: when Luke is in the car with Christopher, he really 357 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: listens to the music he wants to listen to, and 358 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: so Luke kind of comes to his music. I am 359 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: in the car with the girls, I think probably more 360 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: often than not, and I just go along with what 361 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: they want to listen to. 362 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: They're very mainstream. They're very mainstream. 363 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: It's not to say that they don't have opinions about 364 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the mainstream, but they're very much in you know, the 365 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter, Gracie Abrams amazing, yeah, and such incredible artists. 366 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: And you know what I have to say. 367 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: I find that the girl power that's coming up in that. 368 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: Group feels very self possessed. 369 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 370 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: Really, they feel in control. They feel like they're saying 371 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: when and where and how. 372 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 4: They're not afraid to say ugly things. Yes, they're not 373 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: afraid to talk about real stuff. Yes, I mean Doci 374 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 4: was talking about that. 375 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: She foughts, Yeah, you know. 376 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: Like so it makes me laugh, Yeah, it does. It's good. 377 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: Literally my kryptonite. I'm gonna start laughing now. 378 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: I cannot cannot talk about parts or farting without laughing. 379 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 4: But like all these illusions that all generations had to 380 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: have when. 381 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: We're like pretending, yes, perfect. 382 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: Pretending we never farted, we never ever ever went to 383 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: the bathroom. 384 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: I can't even say it now, Like I was literally about. 385 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: To say what it is and I couldn't even say it. Yes, 386 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: I know it also and and the pulling off of 387 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: the mask. Right. I feel like my generation was very 388 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: much like if you're gonna put them on Instagram, it's 389 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: a pretty pretty picture. It's a you know, it's not this, 390 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, unrehearsed. 391 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 3: And the next generation don't want egg brushed. 392 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah everything, yeah, yea, yeah, are okay? 393 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: Alter down there on Snapchat? 394 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: Well have you ever turned your camera around on you 395 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: at the wrong moment? That's it's a fucking shame spiral. 396 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, what, it's a total jump scared to me. 397 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 3: You are so beautiful you are. I don't even say 398 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 3: how amazing you are. 399 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 4: I mean, every time I'm with you, I just I 400 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: can't stop saying great stuff about you. The thing that 401 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 4: I love is how generous you are, just like really 402 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 4: kind to people. And I just feel it every time 403 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: I'm with you. Is this like giving super power thing 404 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 4: you have? 405 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: You know what? 406 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: I take that as a huge compliment and I am 407 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm grateful you feel that way. 408 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So when do you feel like you create? 409 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Like in your are there like spaces where you go 410 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: to you go like I'm going to. 411 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 2: Write songs right now. 412 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Or I'm going to journal, or like how does that 413 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: work because I'm so not an original content creator. I 414 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: take people's words and then I make them something, hopefully, 415 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: but I've actually never been an original content creator. So 416 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: what is that problem that's like for you? 417 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: So it's it's all artists way, the artist's way, like, wait. 418 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 3: You just write, have you done it? 419 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 2: I've tried. 420 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: The problem. The only problem with that. 421 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 4: One of the things is that it's called the Morning Pages, 422 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: and you do like morning dump like you do it. 423 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 4: The problem that I have is I'm not a morning person, 424 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: so I don't have any great ideas in the morning. 425 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 3: I don't have any ideas at all. I have nothing. 426 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: My brain is not thinking anyway. 427 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 2: Are you supposed to just dump? 428 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: I don't have anything to dump, Like this morning it's empty, empty, nothing. 429 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: Your thoughts are gone, very strange. 430 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have to wait a little bit to 431 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 4: like wake up but out engine. Yeah, yes, I think 432 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 4: exercise and yoga and those things have been really helpful 433 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: for me. 434 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: And then so I just don't do the morning like. 435 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 436 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: I'm not not legalistic, like I don't do the Morning Pages, 437 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: but I definitely do pages. You know, and you had 438 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: a night I'm a night out, so I I love 439 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 4: doing stuff at night. That's when it's like really like 440 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: a live and I need to have like private spaces 441 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: to do that, Like I have like a room. I 442 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 4: have a place at my house. It's my creative room. 443 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 4: And yeah, I just go crazy. But it's I'm very 444 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 4: collaborative like you are. Like I love to write over 445 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 4: zoom with people and like get someone will send me 446 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 4: a track. Jack Harlow sent me a bunch of tracks 447 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 4: and us like a lot of rappers send me songs 448 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 4: and then I'll send it back and kind of go 449 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 4: back and forward. Yeah, and then I get ideas for 450 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 4: books and like I wrote like it was an idea 451 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 4: for a movie. I write it down. I'm always writing 452 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: things down. I'm always taking notes. And then I want 453 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 4: to I want to write a TV show and she's like, 454 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 4: why don't you just make it a song? So then 455 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, that would be a good 456 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 4: song title. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a songwriter 457 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 4: and I want to do that first. And people do 458 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 4: want songs, so you know, and then yeah, I mean 459 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 4: a lot of it is collaborative and it is about people. 460 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 4: It is like someone will come to my mind and 461 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 4: I'll text them right away, and I'll a lot of 462 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 4: times it's just at the right moment. 463 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: You know. 464 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: I think that I think that is very spot on. 465 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: I think in the collaborative universe, we go in and 466 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: out of a lot of woo woo over here. You know, 467 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: I really believe that we're so connected. 468 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: It's just yes, yes, yes, yes, I am. 469 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: I find I have a lot of thoughts in general 470 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: that range from my to do list to creativity in 471 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: the shower. 472 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: H shower is great. 473 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I have been known to truly just 474 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: step out of the shower and be sopping wet and 475 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: like reach for my phone. Drive just my right hand 476 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: off enough so that the front of my iPhone will 477 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: register my fingertaps. 478 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I will write notes or I'll do like the voice. 479 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: Note thing, and then I'm like, oh, yes, I got 480 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: my thoughts down. 481 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: And then I'll come back to look at them and 482 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: I'll be like that was That's a different language, Like oh, 483 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 2: and what were they thinking? How am I meant to 484 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: follow the bread crumbs here? 485 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like it's like when you write a song 486 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: in the middle of the night it's very hot, it 487 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: doesn't make much sense. 488 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: Like I write a song in the middle of the night. 489 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: I don't you do? Do you ever wake up? 490 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 4: In the most time, But I'm singing so quietly trying 491 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: not to wake anyone, and it's like really hard to 492 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 4: kind of make it out the next day. But sometimes 493 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: I have full songs in dreams, you know. I'm like, maybe, yeah, 494 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: that's the one, you know. So there's a part of 495 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 4: songwriting that's a fit addictive, like it's like a hit, 496 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: like maybe this is the next big song. 497 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. See. I love that about you too, 498 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: is that you have that optimism like anything it could be. 499 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as evidenced by your story of unwritten. 500 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: I mean that's truly the thing. 501 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: Is that you never know when it's coming, and and 502 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: so you just keep showing up. Someone recently that I've 503 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: worked with for such a long time and I were 504 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: talking about this business and how it's changed and what 505 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: we do and the vulnerability of it, and then how 506 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: quickly you have to go back and forth between feeling 507 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: very vulnerable, which would perhaps maybe lead to thoughts where 508 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: you feel a little unwanted right because you're like, ooh, 509 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: I want to be picked. 510 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: I want to be picked for the part. I want 511 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: to be picked for the track. 512 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: I want someone to pick up the music, to start 513 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: playing in different places so people will again allow it 514 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: into their lives. And as we know from back, like 515 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: when of our music started right and there was only 516 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: radio to expose it to people, the more it's played, 517 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: the more it's in your consciousness, the more you get 518 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: you come to it. 519 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 5: Right. 520 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: So there's this, there's this back and forth between the 521 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: vulnerability and like please pick me to the self possessed, empowered. 522 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, yea, I know what I'm doing, 523 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and this is my interpretation of this character and it 524 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: may not be the one that gets picked, but it's 525 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 1: mine and I'm the only one that can do it. 526 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: And I'm the only one that can write this song. 527 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: And it's a really it's an interesting back and forth. 528 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 4: As a creative Yeah, it is. And and then but 529 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: though both those sides are so important to. 530 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: The actual process. 531 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 4: I think, don't you The convulnerability is everyone and everyone 532 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 4: feels that. But then the strength is kind of what 533 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 4: we all need. 534 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, yeah, yeah completely. 535 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: I just I think that everyone should be writing songs. 536 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 4: Everyone should be writing, and everyone should be singing and 537 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: doing things that are because singing is your. 538 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: Your vegus nerve, your vague nerve. 539 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 4: That's just like it's it's regulating and it's it's like 540 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 4: dancing where it's good for you. And I think that's 541 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 4: why people love to go to shows, because you're singing, 542 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 4: you're using It doesn't matter how it sounds, it's not 543 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 4: it's not about the end result. It's not about whether 544 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 4: you're going to be famous for it. It's just the 545 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 4: feeling of singing feel so great with other people. The 546 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: feeling of dancing feels great, you know, And those are 547 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: all very human things that just bring us into a 548 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 4: highest selves. 549 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: I think that is so well put. And it's reminding 550 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: me that, I mean, I'm a little bit of a crier. 551 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: I have easy access to that as as sort of 552 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: like my expression of feeling. And I was at a 553 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: barmeutzva over this past weekend and as soon as the 554 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: canter started, I'm just crying. And I was reminded that 555 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: every time I go to church, as soon as the 556 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: entire congregation starts singing, I start crying. And it's they're 557 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: not sad songs, they're beautiful songs. There're songs of hope 558 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: they're songs of this, that or the other. Song of 559 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: them are sad. But I immediately start crying, and I 560 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: think it's because of what you just described. It's just 561 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: this beauty, a full, primal thing that all of us 562 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: can do. Clearly some of us better than others, but 563 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: we It hooks us, it brings us together. 564 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: It's a belonging. 565 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 566 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a before I go on stage, my band 567 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 4: and I we all just do two omes and it 568 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: looks so silly because it's just too just yeah oh yeah, 569 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: you know, uh, but it's it's the vibration, like we 570 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 4: kind of lock in with each other. It's like as 571 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 4: we're looking at each other, as we're owning, you kind 572 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 4: of just feel zing like we're together. Yeah, and we 573 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 4: can we can do anything no matter what happens, Like 574 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 4: if there's sound problems, if there's we're just gonna. 575 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep going in, just keep going. 576 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 577 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 4: So I feel like it's that locking in with each 578 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 4: other that feels great. 579 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: It is because now I find you know that, as 580 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: you've explained, there's so many songs that are so personal 581 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: to you, and now because of social media and because 582 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: of the the access that you know, we all have 583 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: to each other. We're hearing the personal story, maybe even 584 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: before you've heard the song. So like my my twelve 585 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: year old told me all about one of Sabrina's songs 586 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: and how it was about this ex boyfriend and then 587 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: how he cheated on her, And I was like, how 588 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: do you know all of this? 589 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: But okay, do you feel? 590 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: How do you what's your relationship with social media? 591 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: I love TikTok. I think it's really fun. 592 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 2: Well, TikTok loves you, so that's a good thing. 593 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 3: Maybe that's why I like it. I love to be loved. 594 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 2: Who doesn't? But I like this. I like this for you. 595 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 4: Okay, So TikTok I TikTok has like book talk, TikTok 596 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: mental health, like it has a number of different rain talk. Yeah, 597 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 4: it has a number of things that I can navigate 598 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 4: through that and it doesn't have to be dance moves 599 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: all the time. 600 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I like that. 601 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: Although people have them for your song, I think I'd 602 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: be very flattered by that. 603 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so cool. And I met with the kids. 604 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 4: You made a dance to my song that viral, and 605 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: I loved how TikTok brought us together, and I loved 606 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 4: how touched I was from just other people's lives. 607 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so yeah, I love that. 608 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 4: Oh, I think Instagram for me, it's not my my 609 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 4: big I haven't really conquered Instagram, to be honest. 610 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: I love them, it's like I don't get it. 611 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: We have to conquer I obviously don't get it or 612 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 4: people don't get me on it. But but but Spotify, 613 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: like you know, it's like, I don't know, there's a 614 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 4: kind of disconnect. 615 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: With Yeah, I don't really know. 616 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: It's all different for all of Yeah, so it's. 617 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: Kind of what you really do do well on Instagram. 618 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: I don't know that. 619 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: I don't know that I do well. 620 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't have the bandwidth to to really understand more 621 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: than one. So I've sort of glommed onto Instagram as 622 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: my go to. And then and then it makes sense. 623 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I always get lost on TikTok. I don't know what's 624 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: going on. I need to get better at this. 625 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: You have to train the algorithm. Like somebody show me Jax, 626 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 4: who is a huge TikToker. She gave me lessons, so 627 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: maybe I need to And she gave me like a 628 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: few hours of really really good lesson she was just 629 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: like really keeping it short and sweet and really training 630 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: the algorithm first, training the algorithm. Just go through it 631 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 4: and really don't like it, really like, don't like this, 632 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 4: don't like this, don't like this. Right, and then it 633 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: really figures you out really quickly, because the thing about 634 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: TikTok is this loud, and as soon as you open up. 635 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: It's just like a shock to your system. And I 636 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: always just used to throw my phone. 637 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but once you stop, you start 638 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: really telling it what you like, you start getting really 639 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: it figures. 640 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: You out very so. 641 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: So if I let it know that I think that 642 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: farts are funny, do you think that I would just 643 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: get lots and lots of funny farts. 644 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'm dumb. 645 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but the actual it's very much like 646 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 4: Instagram too. 647 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. 648 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Reels, well, the reels make me laugh the hardest. I 649 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: could talk to you for five thousand hours, but we 650 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a rapid fire here. 651 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: Real, So a little a couple of. 652 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: Questions that just like, whatever comes to your mind. First, 653 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: if you had someone. 654 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 2: To play you in a biopic, oh, would you want 655 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: it to be? 656 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: I feel like like, even though she's older than Meat, 657 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: but Kate winslet. 658 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: I would love that. She's great. 659 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great. 660 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: I love that. Okay. What is something you would tell 661 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: your younger self. 662 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: Wait a few years and there'll be a song that 663 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: will really relate to you. 664 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 4: Know. I think just to lighten up. I think I 665 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 4: was very serious as a as a teenager, I was 666 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: really trying to do everything correctly, and I think I 667 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 4: have a bit of fun would have been a good thing. 668 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: Like I wasn't really light and light at that point 669 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: I was. 670 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: I was. 671 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 3: Just really trying to be a grown up. Yeah, yeah, 672 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: I get that. 673 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: One artist you would like to collaborate with, I. 674 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 3: Would love to collaborate with eminem. 675 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one. 676 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 3: I love him. 677 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: That's a good one. Okay. If your life right now 678 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: had to theme song, what would it be? 679 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to write. Yes, your theme and 680 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: I've written it. 681 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 4: I've got a really cool song that I think is is. 682 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 3: That new theme song? Oh for me at least? Yeah? 683 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, Oh, I can't wait. Okay. 684 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: What's one thing that fans would be surprised to learn 685 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: about you? 686 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 4: Well, a lot of American fans would be surprised that 687 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 4: I'm English, because they often are quite surprised because my 688 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 4: songs are like American songs. Yeah, and I was homeschooled. 689 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: That's something I don't think everyone knows. Yoh yeah, from 690 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: eleven till seventeen. 691 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: Wow, at home with your family. 692 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah were your siblings and four kids. 693 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah yeah, Well, thank you, think you, Thank 694 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: you so much for coming. 695 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: I love you to get thank you 696 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: S