WEBVTT - Sausage Party 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.600 On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.000 and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.440 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, EFFI bast 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.360 start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:21.000 Oh gosh, welcome to the Bachdell Cast. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:26.040 Okay, yeah, ready to party, Ready to sausage party? 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.319 Yes I am, because today is my shameless plugging day. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.600 Today is the day where we are doing a movie 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.760 that is technically about hot dogs but is also I 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:41.320 don't know, I don't know, uh, but we're celebrating the 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.839 release of Raw Dog, my first book. When you're hearing this, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.479 it will be out. You should definitely go buy it 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:54.880 at your local bookstore. Don't know, Amazon, fuckery. Please I'll 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.160 accept the Barnes and Noble, but only if you're in 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.960 a difficult like only if you're not near an independent books, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.880 which you probably are, So go get It's my book 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.440 about the history of hot dogs and a road trip 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.480 I took in twenty twenty one trying hot dogs across 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.840 the country. It is about leftist politics, it is about workers' rights, 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.680 it is about the history of like how American jingoism 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.000 is connected to the hot dog It's about following people 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.600 around in the Wienermobile. It's about falling in love with 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:29.480 Joey Chestnut. But also it's complicated and I don't really 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.479 fuck with him, but I do have a crush on him, 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:36.000 gross problematic fave Joey Chestnut and my king to Karo Kobyashi, 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:42.119 as well as all of the kind of twisted bizarre. Well, 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.319 this is actually maybe where it overlaps with Sausage Party, 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.360 which we're talking about today, which mercifully does not come 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.080 up in the book. I did not there, there is 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.200 no space, and I didn't want to know. I just 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.280 didn't want to. But in Professional hot Dog Eating, there's 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.520 a lot of historical issues regarding racism and gender discrimination 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.320 within that sport. Yes, it's a sport. No, I will 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.960 not be taking questions or arguments about it. It is 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:14.280 a sport, and that is something that has in common 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:17.320 with the movie we're discussing today, So shameless plunge. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.440 And racism and yes, all of those things, yes huh. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.520 But one thing it doesn't have that Sausage Party does 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:27.360 is bad writing. It's a good book. I should buy it, 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.440 and I or if you're not in a position to 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:35.600 buy it. We'll link in this episode of different ways 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.320 to request that it be brought to your local library. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.320 That's also a great way. There's also an audio book 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:48.400 that's narrated by me, but they're like, hey, podcaster getting 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.200 that booth and I did. And my audio engineer's name 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.160 was Tim, and he was a vegan, and he was like, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.400 oh my god, oh gee whiz. We really learned from 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.080 each other that week. He's from New Zealand, kind of iconic, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.400 and he's like, I can't do anyw Zealand accent. But 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.600 he was like, this country is so fucked and I 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.960 was like, that's right, Tim, that's right. And that's an 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.720 example of something that did not pass the Bechdel test. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.840 Me and Tim shooting the shit. Yeah. Was it pleasant, yes, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.320 of course, but did not pass. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.519 And which what a wonderful transition to our show and 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:23.680 what it's about. So this is the Bechdel Cast. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:24.120 Hello. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.040 My name is Caitlin Derante. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.119 My name is Jamie loftis author of Raw Dog Out Now. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.840 And this is our show where we analyze movies through 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:36.680 an intersectional feminist lens using the Bechdel It was a 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:43.280 weird way to say that using the Bechtel test simply 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.720 as a jumping off point to initiate a far larger 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:53.160 conversation about representation and such in FLIM. The Bechdel test 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.280 being a media metric sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:03.200 that first appeared in Alison Bechdel Queer icon queer cartoonist 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:07.200 Alison Bechdel's comic Dykes to Watch out For. Originally intended 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.280 just as sort of like a one off joke, it 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.440 was a bit, but it has since been used as 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.080 this media metric. There are many versions of it. The 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.600 one that we use is this two characters of a 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:24.479 marginalized gender must have names. Those characters have to talk 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.400 to each other about something other than a man, and 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:32.640 we particularly enjoy it when it is a narratively meaningful 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:39.560 conversation and not just a hi, hot dog number one Hello. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:40.039 Yeah. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.640 Also, I resent the aggressive gendering of the hot dog 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:49.960 expanded universe. Hot dogs are Look, they're beautiful. They don't 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.440 know gender, and this is I mean it, Katelyn, no love. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:55.040 I love these damn things. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:56.760 I love to eat hot dogs. 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.359 When they're ethically produced. I'm smiling, and they don't know gender. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.600 They transcend gender and class. That's the whole point of 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.320 a hot dog there for everybody. Why according to this 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:14.520 movie that's rogan God, we'll talk about it. Got well, 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.080 actually I have a lot of hot dog gendering thoughts, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:21.040 which we'll get around to. But yes, this movie, I mean, 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.720 for it's many flaws. It does pass the Bexel test, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.159 not the way as I particularly like. Oh it's heinous, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.720 but yeah, but that's why we talk about all the time. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.240 It's a flawed metric. It was created as a bit. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.920 But there's plenty to talk about. And boy, oh boy, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.359 this movie came out in twenty sixteen, but it really 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.000 feels like it came out in two thousand and four. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.760 It has like huge two thousand and four vibes. But 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.479 it was a I kind of forgot we were talking 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.080 about this earlier. I forgot that Sausage Party was apparently 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:56.040 a huge hit. 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.400 Yes, it was like a box office smash hit. It 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.240 was for a while the highest grossing R rated movie 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.680 ever until it was really such a bummer. Oh sorry, okay, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.719 I made some stuff up. It was the highest grossing 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.799 R rated animated film, not R rated film in general, 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.599 but which R rated animated film because it grossed one 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.000 hundred and forty one million dollars at the box office 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.240 against a budget of nineteen million dollars, which is a 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.920 low budget for an animated feature. And will go into 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.960 how that happened later. The budget on this movie is 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:33.800 low for. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.000 A animated and then I have a lot of feelings 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.200 on animation labor. Yeah, well, sEH, we'll get to Animators 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.960 are treated so horribly and people across the spectrum in 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.840 terms of jobs in animation are just treated terribly. And 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.400 this also it also feels like it ties into conversations 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.000 that have gone on in the last couple of years 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:58.880 around effects workers in Marvel movies, where that's constantly been 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.119 like people working overtime and then not just being worked 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.560 to death. And you know, the whole ethos is like 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.240 you should be lucky to work on a Marvel movie, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:12.160 and it's like, go fuck yourself. Yes, but yees, so 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:14.960 it was a pretty big hit and I'm realizing Kaitlyn. I, 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:18.120 first of all, I appreciate that you were willing to 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.720 do a hot dog themed movie to line up. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:22.960 With Oh yeah, this was my idea. 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:26.640 Sorry hot Dog, which is which dog out? 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:26.920 Now? 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.080 I will say I thought this was the only movie 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.640 about hot dogs, but shows what I fucking know because 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.600 my friend Mitch last night gave me a DVD for 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.000 something called hot Dog the Movie. Why that came out 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:45.760 in nineteen eighty four. Well, I haven't read this anopsis yet, Okay, 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.440 I've had It's definitely share it. Well, of course I can. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.080 Let me get the sticker off. Hold on, Okay, there's 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.200 a booklet inside. How we're gonna just read the beginning 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:02.240 good snowballs and powder bunnies, the sex tactic, slapstick slaloam 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.680 of hot Dog the movie? What hot Dogs the movie? 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:10.920 I'm not even following. I think it's a skiing movie 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.080 is Also what's gonna do? Is the whole thing appears 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.760 to take place at a Let's find out what Dog 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.840 the movie is. This is the supreme Bacchanalian Ski movie blowout, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.680 toward which all previous Bacchanalian Ski movie blowouts has led, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.760 and from which all subsequent Bachanalian Ski movie blowouts have 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.400 since proceeded. Backward, upside down and drunkenly spinning through the 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.439 air between snow capped jumping off points, hitting theaters in 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.920 early nineteen eighty four, at the ascending peak of post 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.120 Porky's teen sex comedy mania. Oh Boy, hot Dog's protagonists 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:44.040 may not have been in high school or college, but 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.839 the movie's ski lodge setting and r rated raunch landed 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:51.079 it squarely in the cannon of high eighties adolescent anarchy farces. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.720 Let me just keep us So this is like a bias, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.800 a biography of the movie more than a synopsis. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.319 I'm under real this is a movie about skiing. Why 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.880 is it called hot Dog the movie? Wait? Hang on, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.120 I'm getting pissed off. I'm getting pissed off. Let's google where? Yeah, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.559 when is when the hot dogs coming? 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:15.840 Are the skiers? 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:16.480 Like? 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:18.000 Are the wait? 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.360 It's about? The film stars Patrick Hawser as Harken Banks, 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.440 a young and ambitious freestyle skier from Bonners Ferry, Idaho, 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.240 who's determined to prove himself in the freestyle skiing competition 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.400 at Squaw Valley. Along the way, he teams with a 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.560 there's no hot dogs in this movie. 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.040 Yeah, it's just about it's a teen sex comedy about 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.319 freestyle skiers. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.400 Well, that has nothing to do with hot dogs, And 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.680 I'm pissed. Apparently this movie made it budget back eleven times. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.320 Not that he has ever heard of it, and hopefully 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.640 that's what will happen to the movie we're discussing as 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.559 today as well, Sausage Party. Caitlin Doranday, what's her history 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:56.080 with this movie? 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.520 I did not see it in theaters, but I did 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.280 see it shortly after it came out, because there was 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.559 a lot of buzz about this movie. Not only was 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.120 it a box office hit, it was critically well received. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.199 It has eighty two percent on Rotten Tomatoes, which is 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.240 unexplained that the male I remember being shocked by that 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.480 at the time too, because this was shortly before the 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.199 Bechdel Cast began. Yeah, this came out the summer before 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:20.640 mm hm. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:26.120 So I saw it sometime later in twenty sixteen, and 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.880 remember thinking, and this was before I was like, like 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.240 you said, this was before we started the Bechdel Cast. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:38.040 So even though like representation was on my mind when 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.040 I was watching movies, you know, we didn't have quite 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.520 the nuanced takes that we do now. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.839 But you don't need a nuanced view of cinema to 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:50.599 realize that. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:52.720 I would say that this is one of the worst 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.520 movies I've ever seen from a storytelling point of view 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.359 and from a representation point of view, It's just abysmal 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.319 in every imaginable way. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:07.040 It's a really And it's interesting to read back the 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.079 good reviews of this movie because there is sort of 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:11.959 a lot of like and I do think it has 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.520 to do with how beloved seth Rogen is by pop 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.559 culture and by the general culture in general, and general 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.000 culture in general, Jae come on, and I'm like, we're 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.520 not knocking Seth Rogen fans, Like I've enjoyed a lot 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.520 of Seth Rogen over the years, although I did used 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.160 to say I would deport them to Canada, which was 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:35.280 not nice of me, but no, I mean it's like 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.319 I've I've enjoyed a lot of Seth Rogen's work. This 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.280 is just really not I don't know. I felt a 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.160 sort of like in reading a lot of reviews, a 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.560 lot of bending over backwards to make this movie okay 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:52.400 because Seth Rogan made it and like all these beloved 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:57.960 comedians of this era made it. And I do wonder 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.800 what how this movie would be received if it came 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.480 out now. And also like reading about the ostensible like 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.679 intentions that the writers had, like where they were like, 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.199 it's this is something that we'll get into it but 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.520 it just like never ever, ever, ever, ever works when 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.560 someone's like, this movie is equal opportunity offensive, no one 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:23.200 is safe from my pen and it's just like, well, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.839 that completely ignores any dynamics of like privilege or who 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.160 gets to make most movies, So that does not work. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.040 And it's just like I was reading in the reviews 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.000 of this that I don't know, like the closest I 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.520 could say to something positive about this movie is that 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.800 it's attempting to say something about faith. I don't think 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.920 it successfully does. I understand that it's attempting to. But 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:54.040 everything else is just like presenting very broad stereotypes in 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.600 a way that is not presenting the I was not seeing. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.000 The commentary that was implied in some of these reviews 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.400 is I'm like commenting on what exactly exactly what does 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:08.199 Bill Hayter playing a native character in the most broadly 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:14.960 offensive way possible on multiple levels? What does that comment anything? 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.920 Yeah, the critical consensus on Rotten Tomatoes. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.680 Is which, again, Rotten Tomatoes is like a shitty metric, but. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.840 So people consult it like I go on Rotten Tomatoes 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.880 to be like should I see this movie? 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.400 I don't know sure? 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.280 But the critic consensus is Sausage Party is definitely offensive. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:38.520 I agree with that, but backs up its enthusiastic profanity 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:43.280 with an impressively high laugh to gag Ratio. I do 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.080 not agree with that because I did not laugh fucking once. 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.400 No, it's all puns. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.320 Yeah, like, it's all bad, and I love a pun, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:51.640 but none of these puns are good. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:52.439 I don't. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.199 And then then the final part of this is so 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.319 it's you know, it backs up the enthusiastic profanity with 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.800 an impressively high laugh to gag Ratio and a surprisingly 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:04.720 thought provoking storyline. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:11.480 Also, no, I like truly the no no like this 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.520 is I went to a letterboxed on this one as well, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.320 just to get a fe I love letterbox reviews a lot. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.640 Oh they're great. The top review is I'm only four 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.480 minutes into this, but I think this is the most 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:28.120 evil movie I've ever seen. And I hard agree with that. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.880 And this is why we need better movies about hot dogs. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.240 And I would I I'm you know, I'm not even 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.520 throwing my hat in the ring. I am the fucking ring. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.920 I'm gonna make a hot dog movie that doesn't suck ass. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.880 This is my history with this movie is that I 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.560 saw it similar shortly after it came out, because but 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:54.000 I remember like seeing it with a friend that we 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.960 were watching it again. We hadn't started the Betel cast. 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.520 But it doesn't mean we weren't feminists or like didn't 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.360 have a brain that like. I saw it because I 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.560 thought I would be a like really upset and annoyed 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.640 by it, and so we watched it kind of as 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.480 like a joke. Yeah, and you know, sure enough, I 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.720 fucking hated it. I may have written about it at 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.240 the time. This was back when I was doing a 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.400 lot of like writing. I mean, I was like a 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:26.360 full time writer on various websites. Wow brag, thank you. 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.120 But yeah, I'm pretty sure I wrote an essay about 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.760 it for Paste at the time, not about Sausage Party 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.000 in particular, but like this like manchild comedy that I 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.160 think has since this is kind of like as far 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.160 as I can tell, at least in the hugely popular 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.760 sense kind of the tail end of it. Yeah, and 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.560 it had a fucking run. I would say that this 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:53.320 like style of broadly offensive humor that employs all of 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.960 these fucking tropes that says it saying something, but it's not. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.720 And it's pretty fucking evil, is they. It had a good, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:07.400 like decade long kind of choke hold on comedy in. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.520 Movies, and it was like the Judd Apatow era. 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.400 Well, it's like yeah, and it's like that's the thing 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.280 that's fascinating, frustrating whatever about it is like even Judd 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:20.280 Apatow and Seth Rogan don't do shit like this anymore 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.520 because I don't think that they can get away with it. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:27.120 Yeah, and I know Seth has Seth Rogan not been like, oops, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.880 I made some stuff back in the day that I 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:34.800 can't really vouch for anymore. Did that happen, Yes, definitely, Yeah, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:35.760 he did so. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.680 Yeah. I think it is kind of interesting that in 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.200 the last two years, it appears this like started in 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:45.520 twenty twenty one, Seth Rogan has attempted to sort of 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:53.560 address past offensive both like content in movies and treatment 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:58.600 of people, if not from him specifically by a production 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.880 that he was involved whether or in charge of. So. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.520 Examples would include i'ma Watson and this is the end 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:10.439 Catherine Heigel in Knocked Up, and I'm also seeing an 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:15.840 incident regarding a child actor in Good Boys, a movie 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:20.680 I did not see having their skin darkened. Oh yeah, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.879 So there was this sort of I don't want to 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.720 be too reductive and say apology tour like, but a 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.920 series of like this is such a I don't know, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:40.840 but they're okay in any case. My opinion is that 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:47.600 Sausage Party is too recent to be doing but it 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.560 does feel like this all that to say, Sausage Party 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.560 feels like arriving at the tail end of this style 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.120 of comedy being extremely mainstream popular. 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.600 Yeah, and it still has a long way to go, 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.840 but there was kind of like a cultural turning point, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:10.520 like right around this time where media and especially comedy 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:18.959 wasn't so reliant on reductive stereotypes and tropes and punching 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.000 down humor, which we've talked about many times on the show. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.400 That became way less popular right around this time. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.800 Yes, and this it's because the Bechtel no kidding. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.840 Yeah, no, we fixed the world. You're welcome, everybody, no 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:35.119 of it. 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.120 I do think it like has I mean whatever, We're 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.520 not historians or anthropologists, but this comes out, you know, 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.560 the summer before the twenty sixteen election, which I feel 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.879 like was a marked kind of a huge shift in 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:55.080 demanding better representation for sure in movies. Was that successful 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:01.480 still TBD, working on it, work in progress. But I 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.480 do take a little bit of comfort in watching this 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.639 movie that was a hit in twenty sixteen and feeling 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.520 pretty confident that it probably couldn't even get green lid 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:14.760 here right now. So that makes me feel a little better. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.320 But yeah, I saw this movie as a joke. I 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.280 have not thought of it since really, I mean to 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:21.919 the point where I literally wrote a book about hot 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.200 dogs and didn't even think to include it. Right. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.800 Yeah, it has no lasting legacy, which is comforting. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.440 No, and I don't think I think, especially because of 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:37.240 the style of humor being so broad and I think evil, 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.160 as well as the labor issues that sort of stuck 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.440 to this movie for several years. I know that there's 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.480 been interest in a sequel from Seth Rogan, but I 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.720 just personally I don't see it happening. However, Caitlin. In 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:57.320 October twenty twenty two, Sausage Party Food Topia, a sequel 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.920 series based on the film, was greenlt from Amazon Studios. 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:06.040 So too, well, you know, uh, look at look at God, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.720 which is what this movie says it's about, but it's not. Yeah, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.520 should we get into. This movie really is viscerally upset. Yeah, 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:19.639 and it's there's so many like I mean, this is 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:20.919 true of a lot of the there's like a lot 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:23.800 of performers I genuinely enjoy in this movie. 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.119 And there's so many people that are too good for 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:27.680 the Why is Selma Hike in this? 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.040 Oh God? I mean we'll get into I mean, I 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.639 I at very least hope that people were well some 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.159 I don't. I don't even know. I don't know, I 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.920 don't know. I'm so like, oh, I don't know, Yeah, 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.119 why did they? I just feel deflated? 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.960 Same. Well, let's take a quick break and regroup. Yes, 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:51.240 and then we'll come back for a recap that will 0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:54.840 just upset us again. Great, So we'll be right back. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.960 And we're back, all right. Can I just quickly read 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:10.600 off the cast for this movie? Please? Okay? It really 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:16.200 is all okay, seth Rogen, Michael Sarah Kristen Wick, Edward Norton, 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:22.040 question Mark, David Crumb, Holds h betrayal, Salma Hayak, Bill Hayter. 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.560 I think comes out the worst, yeah, out of the 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.679 whole cast. And that's saying something. Craig Robinson, Nick Kroll, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:36.200 James Franco, Jonah Haill, Andrews Home, Danny McBride, how dare he? 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:42.920 Paul Rudd, It's just come on, come on, yeah, all 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.520 of you, all of you, shame on you, except for 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.920 I would say Salama hyak, everyone else, shame on you. Yeah. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.680 But also her character. We'll get there, Okay. 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.919 I don't know. So I don't know. I hope they 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.720 paid her a lot of money. But also, oh my god, 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:05.920 we didn't what they probably didn't. Why would you do this? 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:11.480 How I can't imagine outside of money, you know. I 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.000 just don't know. I just don't know. I was thinking 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:16.800 about this the other day when I was watching a 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:21.920 video of Bill nigh he O King, who describes walking 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:23.960 around the set of Pirates of the Caribbean when he 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.920 was playing Davy Jones, just saying the money, the money, 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:33.040 the money. I was like, I hope, oh wow, oh 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.200 he's the best of him. 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.040 Okay, okay. 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.760 Sausage party. So most of the movie. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:43.320 Takes place at a grocery store called Shop Wells. We 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:49.080 meet a few hot dogs in a pack. Frank voiced 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:50.360 by Seth Rogen. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:56.640 As a hot dog. He's Frank hilarious. I'm laughing already. Wait, 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.960 but do the buns have tits? This is so upset 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:06.000 gender essentialism with hot dogs, like oh oh oh, that's nasty. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.159 There's a whole spiel I have that's fucking filthy. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:13.520 Another hot dog is Carl voiced by Jonah Hill and 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.040 Barry voiced by Michael Sarah. These hot dogs, along with 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:21.960 all of the other food and condiments and household products 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.840 in this grocery store, are sentient, and their goal is 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.840 to be selected by people who the food thinks are gods. 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.399 Okay, so quick energ I'm gonna try to try my 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.120 best to enjoy this episode more by interjecting with hot 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:45.320 dog facts. I love please that dogs are now sentient. Yes, no, 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.200 I will say that there is not that. I think 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.280 that anyone who was writing this movie was thinking a 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.800 thought the entire time. Correct, But there is a weird 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.720 precedent for like picturing like hot dogs specifically, but also 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.800 a lot of food of just like anthropomortiizing food in 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.359 a way that is like begging you to eat it 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.680 in a way that's kind of nasty. And there's one 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:11.399