Speaker 1: Cool Zone media.
Speaker 2: All right, this is the last night of the DNC
Speaker 2: episode or reporting from our homes now, which is great
Speaker 2: because I feel like death. Garrison Davis is here, I'm
Speaker 2: Sophie Lickdrman Robert Evans is here.
Speaker 3: We more or less survived the DNZ. So if he
Speaker 3: took a few hits there at the end. So the
Speaker 3: DNC is over, it's wrapped up, it's all finished, Thank goodness.
Speaker 3: Tiring in a very different way than the RNC, and
Speaker 3: I mean obviously a very different demographic. And this is
Speaker 3: something that I noticed just as soon as I got
Speaker 3: to the airport, Like when I got to the.
Speaker 4: Gate for the RNC, it was like, oh, I'm here
Speaker 4: for the r n.
Speaker 3: C, And when I got to the gate for the DNC,
Speaker 3: it was, Oh, this is just a regular airport gate.
Speaker 3: This is just normal people. There's a very broad demographic
Speaker 3: that you know, pretty fairly would represent whatever city you
Speaker 3: happen to come from. And in calling these people normal,
Speaker 3: that's not saying they're necessarily good people, but they're normal people. Sure,
Speaker 3: they're into politics, maybe a little bit more than your
Speaker 3: average person, but by and large they are kind of
Speaker 3: regular people. And including shitty in a lot of the
Speaker 3: ways that regular people are shitty about politics. Would that
Speaker 3: be their views on Palestine, Gaza, queer people, But it's
Speaker 3: a pretty pretty normal demographic base.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the difference between like when something and I
Speaker 5: showed up at our gate for the RNC, we took
Speaker 5: off our masks because the threat at that point was
Speaker 5: being on a mask surrounded by Republicans. Yes, right, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Was like the risk to our lives was greater than
Speaker 2: the risk of COVID to our lives safety eyes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, whereas we just kind of treated the flights to
Speaker 5: and from the DNC like normal flights, like like you'd
Speaker 5: handle the normal precautions just regular people.
Speaker 2: Some of that has to do with the fact that
Speaker 2: Chicago's like a much larger city.
Speaker 4: Yeah sure, but yes.
Speaker 3: But I mean I got to the conversation with a
Speaker 3: delegate from Georgia who was sitting right next to me,
Speaker 3: you know, young guy mid twenties. Very clearly everyone on
Speaker 3: the plane was going to the DNC, at least for me,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean you just.
Speaker 4: Had like a regular conversation, was it Little John? No, No, Sophie,
Speaker 4: it was not okay, cool.
Speaker 5: So if he little John as a senior citizen.
Speaker 1: Now it's little John, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: But no, he was this this young, kind of nominally
Speaker 3: progressive Democrat who was excited this is I think, I
Speaker 3: think his first time going excited to vote for Kamala,
Speaker 3: much more excited about her than Joe. He also just
Speaker 3: finished his college program to get a criminal justice degree.
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, it's this is this is who
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party is. Yeah, just random, kind of kind
Speaker 3: of queer, but definitely sis dude, like gay dude, bisexual, whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's gonna reform, reform that criminal justice from
Speaker 3: the inside. Yeah, anyway, kind of I just wanted to
Speaker 3: descorry about talking to this kind of those kind of
Speaker 3: general convention demographics because that's basically the same it felt
Speaker 3: well inside the convention as well.
Speaker 5: Yes, a lot more what I will say is a
Speaker 5: lot more women who are like middle aged at the
Speaker 5: d n C, Like that was the overwhelmingly most common
Speaker 5: demographic on like at the convention that I noticed.
Speaker 3: And probably more racial diversity than a lot of then
Speaker 3: a lot of cities probably Honestly, Yeah, I guess that's
Speaker 3: a good general sign, but it's not a great sign
Speaker 3: just in and of itself.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I guess it's it's good for kind of the general
Speaker 3: future of this country, but it doesn't it doesn't really
Speaker 3: affect many of the biggest problems that we're kind of addressing,
Speaker 3: whether that be you know, gazo that, whether that be
Speaker 3: police brutality, whether that be all all of these other things,
Speaker 3: LGBTQ issues, the economy, right, like, that does not necessarily
Speaker 3: equal over onto any of those, at least at the DNC.
Speaker 3: But you know that is that is a general trend
Speaker 3: that that that the country is heading towards. It seems
Speaker 3: so there you go, and my god, was there a
Speaker 3: lot of people there was.
Speaker 2: There was such an unhinged amount of people, Like I
Speaker 2: can't even.
Speaker 5: It was so much bigger and so much more crowded
Speaker 5: than the DRNC.
Speaker 2: I set this online when right wingers were trying to
Speaker 2: be like there was nobody there, which was like, you're
Speaker 2: you're so dumb.
Speaker 5: It was vastly more crowded.
Speaker 2: But like at the R and C, most of the time,
Speaker 2: we generally had an entire road to ourselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was always easy to find seating.
Speaker 3: Super eased to find a spot to sit any time
Speaker 3: during the R and C. Not true for the DNC,
Speaker 3: very challenging to find a seat, and this kind of
Speaker 3: brings us to the last day of the convention.
Speaker 4: Horrible.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: The three of us wrap up a very nice dinner
Speaker 3: with mister Vermin Supreme lovely, possibly the most ethical presidential
Speaker 3: candidate this year.
Speaker 5: The only presidential candidate who has been maced with a
Speaker 5: member of the Cool Zone media team. We can say
Speaker 5: that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have a great to dinner with them.
Speaker 3: We walked over to the DNC, mass massive lines coming outside,
Speaker 3: terrible and then we get told it's okay, there's a
Speaker 3: special press entry, so we bypass all those lines. We
Speaker 3: are feeling great, We are feeling like gods, just passing
Speaker 3: by hundreds and hundreds of people waiting waiting line to
Speaker 3: get the DNC. It was a very powerful feeling. I've
Speaker 3: never felt that empowered before.
Speaker 5: Oh Garrison, Oh you sweet summer child.
Speaker 4: It was wonderful.
Speaker 1: It was really a rush that can't be described.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I almost didn't want to let you guys know
Speaker 5: that the whole venue is at capacity.
Speaker 3: So we get up to the door after just breezing through,
Speaker 3: going past all of those lines, and we get to
Speaker 3: the door and all the doors are shut. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: secret Service at every entrance saying that nobody can get
Speaker 3: in because the venue is at capacity.
Speaker 4: And the crash, oh.
Speaker 3: My god, the crash that we had from our high
Speaker 3: so so bad.
Speaker 5: I talked to a couple of police officers outside the
Speaker 5: venue who were like, yeah, the fire marshals are here,
Speaker 5: like it was literally I do think that it from
Speaker 5: and from everything I've read since, I think their reboarding
Speaker 5: was accurate. Yes, like there were just more people than
Speaker 5: were allowed to be in the building.
Speaker 2: They definitely let more people in than they should have. Yeah, however,
Speaker 2: there was a group of journalists with Garrison and myself
Speaker 2: that were waiting to be let in, and there was
Speaker 2: like triple the amount of people to journalists that left
Speaker 2: in the time that we were standing there, which was
Speaker 2: a very long time. And let me just say, the
Speaker 2: secret service officer really enjoyed telling a bunch of journalists
Speaker 2: that we couldn't come in. He was having a great
Speaker 2: night ruining our night.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nothing that makes me happier than making
Speaker 5: a journalist miserable. So I actually do feel some solidarity there.
Speaker 5: You know, I would love to tell a bunch of
Speaker 5: journalists fuck you.
Speaker 3: I was certainly skeptical because of just how many people
Speaker 3: were getting let out, because I really wanted to see
Speaker 3: how full the venue actually was. And after waiting for
Speaker 3: nearly for two hours, two hours.
Speaker 1: Two hours, two hours, I went home.
Speaker 4: Pablo's speech already started.
Speaker 2: I abandoned you, and then some media logistics person from
Speaker 2: the Secret Service entrance every five minutes would point at
Speaker 2: ten people like they were the chosen ones to let them.
Speaker 1: Into the arena.
Speaker 2: And on round three or four, Garre and I did
Speaker 2: in fact get in and run up like seven or
Speaker 2: eight flights of stairs, which I'm still feeling.
Speaker 5: You made the cut. You made the cut. We did.
Speaker 5: I bet Tim Walls whispered your very names into the
Speaker 5: ears of that Secret Service agent.
Speaker 2: Although I do feel like a piece of me is
Speaker 2: still on those stairs because it was brutal.
Speaker 4: It was bad.
Speaker 3: And then we got up to kind of the floor
Speaker 3: of the arena that we usually entered into and they
Speaker 3: were not lying. It was way too full. There was
Speaker 3: not a single seat available. People were standing in the
Speaker 3: fire exits, people were standing on the stairs and the
Speaker 3: hallways inside the actual arena. It was it was, in
Speaker 3: fact a real safety hazard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do really feel the need emphasize not one
Speaker 5: of those things where the cops were fucking over the
Speaker 5: press or whatever for their own It was a serious issue.
Speaker 3: Now we saw firefighters inspecting the hallways and letting a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of fire code violations fly. Yeah, we were
Speaker 3: not supposed to be standing in the middle of that stairwell.
Speaker 3: And yeah we got inside just in time for the
Speaker 3: foreign policy, border patrol, and geopolitics section of Kamalis's speech.
Speaker 3: And we will talk about her speech, including those aspects,
Speaker 3: right after we come back from this ad break.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: The final speech of the DNC arguably the most important one,
Speaker 3: although the DNC just went on for so long that
Speaker 3: I was so checked out by that last day.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it was just Bill Clinton's nine hour speech where
Speaker 2: he just was just the oldest man who's ever lived.
Speaker 5: No, he's convinced me. You know, I watched last night
Speaker 5: several episodes of the show about him committing a sex
Speaker 5: crime as the president, and it really reminded me. Boy
Speaker 5: slick Willy's gotten old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for music. My dad's nickname for Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton on Mike Click Willy.
Speaker 5: That's every dad's nickname for Bill Clinton.
Speaker 1: My dad loves to call him that.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Garrison, we got up there. We are standing in
Speaker 2: a crowd of journalists just trying to get a glimpse
Speaker 2: of what's going on. And is there any particular part
Speaker 2: of the speech you want to talk about, because there's
Speaker 2: a few things that come to mind for me.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I have notes on like the whole speech,
Speaker 3: just you know, a few lines from each little section.
Speaker 4: And I think this.
Speaker 3: Speech was more important than most of Trump's speeches because
Speaker 3: we've heard Trump speak, you know, a bajillion times now.
Speaker 3: I will say Trump's R and C speech was important
Speaker 3: because this was his first speech after getting shot at
Speaker 3: in the head. And similarly, I think this speech for
Speaker 3: Kamlo was extremely important because this is basically her second
Speaker 3: presidential speech. The speech she's been using for her campaign
Speaker 3: trail has been the same stump speech for the past month.
Speaker 3: It's been the same one that delivered many times, which
Speaker 3: is not a regular but this is the first time
Speaker 3: we've really heard her do a new speech, and this
Speaker 3: is her introduction as a presidential candidate to the entire world.
Speaker 3: As she took the stage, there's obviously tons of cheers
Speaker 3: chants of usay she opened by praising Biden's record and
Speaker 3: his character, saying that history will will prove him to
Speaker 3: have such a great record and character, and then she
Speaker 3: framed her own personal story as like a template of
Speaker 3: like the American journey, right, saying, quote, I'm no stranger
Speaker 3: to unlikely.
Speaker 4: Journeys unquote Okay.
Speaker 3: She talked about her mother as an immigrant, saying her
Speaker 3: parents met at a civil rights gathering and that her
Speaker 3: dad taught her to be fearless, although her dad also,
Speaker 3: I guess probably failed to teach her how to be
Speaker 3: a good Marxist, but she did not bring that part
Speaker 3: up in this speech.
Speaker 5: Relationship, but we all get to have.
Speaker 3: One, yes, But her parents taught her and her sister
Speaker 3: about you know, different different civil rights leaders, including civil
Speaker 3: rights lawyers that fought civil rights in court, and Kamala
Speaker 3: said this is what inspired her to go to law school.
Speaker 3: Although you know, very famously, she did not become like
Speaker 3: a civil rights lawyer. She became a prosecutor. And Kamala
Speaker 3: said that this was inspired by her high school best
Speaker 3: friend getting molested by her stepfather and that's what got
Speaker 3: her to want to go down the prosecutor path.
Speaker 2: That was the first time that I had ever heard
Speaker 2: her talk about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hadn't heard that either.
Speaker 2: She literally did a few other times, obviously not on
Speaker 2: that large of a stage.
Speaker 3: Yes, no, No, there was a lot of talk about that,
Speaker 3: and a lot of talk about her focus on like
Speaker 3: familial sexual abuse, molestation and other sex crimes as a prosecutor,
Speaker 3: like basically framing that as like her specialty and that
Speaker 3: that was a good part of what she focused on,
Speaker 3: which she was a court prie. The line that she
Speaker 3: used to refer to her work in the court was
Speaker 3: that quote, everyone has a right to safety, dignity, and justice.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of the introduction to Kamala and
Speaker 3: her background. That was like who she was, where she
Speaker 3: came from. And then the speech pivoted to talking about
Speaker 3: Orange Man Bad, which worked very well in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: and I think we're going to see more of that
Speaker 3: the closer we get to the election.
Speaker 5: One way or the other. Is the last time you're
Speaker 5: gonna get to make hay out of it, and so
Speaker 5: you might as well do that while the sunshine.
Speaker 2: Yes, honestly, that was the general theme of the DNC
Speaker 2: speeches for me, was like orange.
Speaker 5: Man Bad, we got one last shot we can be.
Speaker 4: Good for you, be good with us. We're good Orange
Speaker 4: Man bad.
Speaker 3: It's even less that they want to be elected to
Speaker 3: make any actual progressive change. It's that in order to
Speaker 3: do that in the future, we first need to beat
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And that was kind of the guiding the
Speaker 3: guiding principle of most of the DNC and Kamala's speech.
Speaker 3: She called this election of a fight for America's future.
Speaker 5: It's infuriating that, like we deal with this again right
Speaker 5: where we have to like sit down and knock the
Speaker 5: Republicans out and end a chunk of the conservative ideology
Speaker 5: in this country because literally nothing can progress without doing that,
Speaker 5: and we still can't handle the more fundamental problems. But
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And she talked a lot about voting rights, saying
Speaker 3: that Trump tried to throw away your vote and when
Speaker 3: that didn't work, he directed an armed mob to the
Speaker 3: capital to overthrow the election. She talked about how Trump
Speaker 3: wants to deploy the military against protests, although she said
Speaker 3: he wanted to play the military against quote our own citizens,
Speaker 3: but this was in reference to him wanting to deploy
Speaker 3: the military against protests, and she framed the Supreme Court's
Speaker 3: new ruling to give president's immunity in court from criminal prosecution,
Speaker 3: as imagining Trump, but now without any guard rails, which
Speaker 3: of course is very scary. And part of this is
Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five again trying to reiterate this as
Speaker 3: the Republican's playbook in case Trump is able to get
Speaker 3: back into office. Mentions of Project twenty twenty five starting
Speaker 3: a series of we are not going back chance, which
Speaker 3: I think is probably some of the best messaging the
Speaker 3: Democrats have the option of deploying this go around. I
Speaker 3: know there was an upper Democratic strategist who has been
Speaker 3: meeting with the Kamala team who said that this messaging
Speaker 3: doesn't work because it's too vague and too negative and
Speaker 3: not enough focused on the future. And thankfully the Democrats,
Speaker 3: or at least Kamala's team, did not listen to that guy,
Speaker 3: because that is the most wrong a man has ever been.
Speaker 3: This messaging has been playing very well in person at
Speaker 3: all these rallies, and especially at the DNC. Kamala talked
Speaker 3: a little bit about economics, saying, quote, we are charting
Speaker 3: a future towards a strong and growing middle class unquote
Speaker 3: end quote, We will build an opportunity economy where everyone
Speaker 3: has a chance to compete and a chance to succeed unquote, which.
Speaker 4: I guess is fine. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have a few kind of issues with this, mainly
Speaker 3: like what happens when you don't succeed and what happens
Speaker 3: to the lower class. Throughout the entirety of the DNC,
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of talk about growing a strong
Speaker 3: middle class and a big focus on the middle class,
Speaker 3: but very little focused on actually helping the people that
Speaker 3: are having it the hardest in this country instead really
Speaker 3: really catering to like the middle class voter, and I
Speaker 3: don't know's it's like, there's a lot of talk about labor.
Speaker 3: There's a lot talking about like working people, like workers' rights.
Speaker 3: That stuff all has a pretty big spotlight at the
Speaker 3: DNC this year, but very little mentions of how we
Speaker 3: can actually improve life for the lower class. She did
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, very vague gestures towards lowering the
Speaker 3: cost of everyday needs, but so far she's kind of
Speaker 3: yet to unveil any actual solid policies. Really we have
Speaker 3: that first time home home buyers like twenty five K.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's proposed some details on like how to help
Speaker 5: increase the number of first time home buyers and build
Speaker 5: an addition of like three million homes in the United States.
Speaker 5: So there's been some but it is all kind of
Speaker 5: vague at this point. Now. One thing that they do
Speaker 5: have going for them is when the dims say, like
Speaker 5: we're going to cut inflation. You know, we've seen inflation
Speaker 5: drop from the post pandemic highs over the last couple
Speaker 5: of years to the point where it's at now, So
Speaker 5: like that is that, you know, there's there's a leg
Speaker 5: to stand on there. And in general, I actually think
Speaker 5: one of the better economic points was made by Clinton
Speaker 5: during his speech, which is that, like, the vast majority
Speaker 5: of jobs that have been created over all of our
Speaker 5: lifetimes have been created under democratic presidents, and you know,
Speaker 5: if you can't if like that's your voting issue. The
Speaker 5: polls are also moving in the direction of that. People
Speaker 5: seem to be trusting Kamala more on the economy, and
Speaker 5: they trusted Biden, even though there's not really a perfectly
Speaker 5: logical reason to do that. But this is elections aren't
Speaker 5: about logic, right, like no es, They're about vibes. In
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, They're about vibes, and I do
Speaker 5: think the dims. I think the dims have that actually,
Speaker 5: like the good head wins on and now a lot
Speaker 5: can change in the next seventy days or so. What
Speaker 5: I really saw with this speech and with this convention
Speaker 5: as a whole, was the Democratic Party embracing the middle
Speaker 5: and some conservatives. And yeah, they tried not to be
Speaker 5: too directly abrasive to progressives and the left.
Speaker 4: But they weren't catering to them.
Speaker 5: But they were not catering to it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Kamala did attack Trump on taxes, specifically saying that trumpill
Speaker 3: do tax breaks to his billionaire friends, it'll add a
Speaker 3: five trillion into the national debt, and she called Trump's
Speaker 3: tariff proposal basically a national sales tax or a Trump
Speaker 3: tax that'll raise costs for middle class families by up
Speaker 3: to four thousand dollars a year, which is in line
Speaker 3: with the whole bunch of economists' predictions if Trump's tariffs
Speaker 3: do go through, and then again gesturing to kind of
Speaker 3: vague policy ideas without actually proposing strict policies, saying that quote,
Speaker 3: we will provide access to capital for entrepreneurs, small business owners,
Speaker 3: and founders, warning that Trump will ban abortion pills and
Speaker 3: enact a national abortion ban and force the states to
Speaker 3: report on people's abortions and miscarriages, and instead, Kamala will
Speaker 3: sign into law a bill that protects abortion access nationally,
Speaker 3: as well as calling to pass the John Lewis Voting
Speaker 3: Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act and more
Speaker 3: kind of vague gestures towards protecting the freedom to love
Speaker 3: who you love, to have clean air and clean water,
Speaker 3: and the freedom that unlocks all others, the freedom to vote.
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the most of the domestic
Speaker 3: policy section of the speech, and that is the part
Speaker 3: of the speech that we missed. And then we came
Speaker 3: in right as she started talking about the border, saying
Speaker 3: again that, like many others have talked about the DNC,
Speaker 3: how the Democrats and Republicans work together to write the
Speaker 3: strongest border bill in decades. And Kamala said that this
Speaker 3: bill was endorsed by the Border Patrol which it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It was endorsed by the Border Patrol Union, but who cares?
Speaker 3: And Comma talked about how Trump called Republicans to kill
Speaker 3: the bills that Democrats couldn't take credit, and she promised
Speaker 3: that she will bring back this bill and sign it
Speaker 3: into law, saying that quote, we can create an earned
Speaker 3: pathway to citizenship and secure our border unquote. So again,
Speaker 3: this is one of the areas that Democrats I think
Speaker 3: have lost the most amount of ground on the past
Speaker 3: like eight years, and they are still kind of willing
Speaker 3: to seed it. And then in terms of like geopolitics
Speaker 3: and foreign policy, one line of kmmalist that has kind
Speaker 3: of cotton some flak, but also I don't know, I'll
Speaker 3: just read it, we can talk about it.
Speaker 4: She said that quote, I.
Speaker 3: Will ensure America always has the strongest, most lethal fighting
Speaker 3: force in the world unquote.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So did you guys, what did you think by
Speaker 5: the use of that language.
Speaker 2: I think she was trying to appeal to the voters
Speaker 2: that don't think a woman can lead.
Speaker 1: That's the end of my sentence.
Speaker 4: Agreed.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, I feel very differently.
Speaker 3: I found this as being a reaction to right wing
Speaker 3: and centrist attacks kind of questioning her strength as a leader.
Speaker 3: So she went for very very like intense language on this.
Speaker 5: So I feel very differently about that, and I think
Speaker 5: this may be just due to the fact that I've
Speaker 5: kind of some more experience with how people in the
Speaker 5: NATSK space speak because the phrasing that she used, it's
Speaker 5: been lampooned a lot online. We've all had a couple
Speaker 5: of some bits about you know, talking about I don't
Speaker 5: want a lethal the most lethal military in the world.
Speaker 4: I want this or that, but like that's what the
Speaker 4: military does.
Speaker 5: No, no, Well, lethality is also a meme term, right, like
Speaker 5: it like that, that's the way it is used in
Speaker 5: this space. Like if you go to like speeches where
Speaker 5: people who are involved in any level as contractors in
Speaker 5: the military industrial complex making arms working for like, it
Speaker 5: is all about when they're talking about like improving efficiency
Speaker 5: within the Air Force, it's about lethality, right, we are
Speaker 5: increasing lethality, like that is our goal. That's what we're
Speaker 5: doing here today, because that is the measure by which
Speaker 5: you determine the success of the organization. So what I
Speaker 5: saw Harris as doing by using that specific terminology was
Speaker 5: not I am trying to talk extra hard in order
Speaker 5: to burnish my credentials because conservatives are going to attack me.
Speaker 5: It was Trump is actually kind of weak on the
Speaker 5: national security stuff, especially within the community of people who
Speaker 5: are like Natsek Gools. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: The people who are members who are born and raised
Speaker 5: members like my family, a lot of them, of the
Speaker 5: military industrial complex, the people who have their professions in
Speaker 5: that space, right, they actually don't all like Trump a lot.
Speaker 5: And some evidence of that was recently he made some
Speaker 5: statements where he essentially insulted Medal of Honor recipients that
Speaker 5: like the VFW came out and attacked Trump, which is wild,
Speaker 5: like absolutely unpropsed.
Speaker 2: I do think it's a little but I definitely agree
Speaker 2: with you, Robert, but I do think it's a little
Speaker 2: bit of what Gar and I were talking about as well.
Speaker 2: Another another thing that I'm just thinking of, as Robert
Speaker 2: saying that, it's just how how often Trump has said that,
Speaker 2: you know, the war, the war in Ukraine wouldn't happen
Speaker 2: if he was in office, that like, he putn't scared
Speaker 2: of him, and things like that, as like one of
Speaker 2: his main reasons why we should reelect him is because
Speaker 2: he commands authority and nobody, nobody did anything bad when
Speaker 2: he was in power. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that has to do with Kamala's language choice.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's she said what she said, because
Speaker 5: it was a way of expressing like.
Speaker 3: Like an internal signifier to other people in the natsock space.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was a way
Speaker 5: of saying that I am not just I'm not an outsider,
Speaker 5: I am a professional. I understand and speak about this
Speaker 5: the same way that you guys do.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, right, no, I can I can see that.
Speaker 5: You know, the whole speech I kind of saw in
Speaker 5: those terms. It was very much calculated. I could see
Speaker 5: who they were trying to get with that speech. There
Speaker 5: was a bit in there for everybody, and they were
Speaker 5: trying to get kind of those moderate chunks of every
Speaker 5: gurban crisin, moderate chunks of the people whose primary issue
Speaker 5: is Gaza, right, because there is a chunk of the
Speaker 5: people who's who are mostly concerned this election with what
Speaker 5: the fuck we're going to do about Gaza, but also
Speaker 5: are not you know, hardline communists or whatever. You know,
Speaker 5: are people who, like the uncommitted folks, really want to
Speaker 5: embrace the Democratic Party and are maybe.
Speaker 4: People who still believe in the system what want to.
Speaker 5: Just need a little bit of a lie that they
Speaker 5: can go along with to vote right, Like Kamala was
Speaker 5: attempting to kind of give because she didn't announce a
Speaker 5: substantive change in policy. Now, her verbiage on Gaza in
Speaker 5: this speech was the same as the kind of stuff
Speaker 5: that like Obama was saying honestly, like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Sure, Gary, do you have a quote of what she said?
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: But first of let's head to our last ad break
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about her closing remarks relating on
Speaker 3: foreign policy and Palestine. I guess there's a few other
Speaker 3: kind of general foreign policy things, yeah, saying that under
Speaker 3: her watch, quote, we will lead the world into the
Speaker 3: future on space and artificial intelligence. America, not China, will
Speaker 3: win the competition for the twenty first century unquote. She
Speaker 3: framed Trump as an ally of Russia and Putin, and
Speaker 3: she claimed that she will help us quote stand strong
Speaker 3: with Ukraine and our NATO allies. And then finally, one
Speaker 3: of the last things she talked about was Israel Palestine, saying, quote,
Speaker 3: President Biden and I are working around the clock. Now
Speaker 3: is the time to get a hostage deal done and
Speaker 3: a ceasefire deal done. This had a decent sized cheer.
Speaker 3: She followed this up by saying, quote, we will always
Speaker 3: stand for Israel's right to defend itself and ensure Israel
Speaker 3: has the ability to defend itself.
Speaker 4: Unquote.
Speaker 3: I think this signals mostly to people that it's unlikely
Speaker 3: she will adopt anything resembling an arms embargo. And there
Speaker 3: was a lot of internal pressure from the uncommitted folks,
Speaker 3: people who got into the DNC trying to push on
Speaker 3: this topic, specifically because Democrats are now kind of adopted
Speaker 3: kind of vague ceasefire rhetoric. Now, the goalpost does need
Speaker 3: to be shifted towards something that will actually stop the
Speaker 3: bombing of families inside Gaza, and that is an arms embargo,
Speaker 3: some kind of conditions on the way that bombs and
Speaker 3: weapons are going to be used. And I think this
Speaker 3: line signified that that is probably not going to take
Speaker 3: place at least before the election.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not before the election.
Speaker 5: Wait, that's very clear at this point.
Speaker 4: And she kind of both sides this issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Her last quote was quote what has happened in
Speaker 3: Gaza over the past ten months is devastating. So many
Speaker 3: innocent lives lost, desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over
Speaker 3: and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.
Speaker 5: Whom is making them do this.
Speaker 3: President Biden and I are working to end this war
Speaker 3: such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the
Speaker 3: suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize
Speaker 3: their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self determination unquote.
Speaker 3: And this was followed by what I would call the
Speaker 3: biggest cheers of the entire night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about I was about to say, the
Speaker 2: crowd reaction was massive to.
Speaker 3: That people lost it so much bigger cheers than saying
Speaker 3: we will ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself.
Speaker 3: This closing line about dignity, security, freedom, and self determination
Speaker 3: for the Palestinian people got by far the biggest cheers.
Speaker 4: But like, what does it mean? Like what are you
Speaker 4: actually saying?
Speaker 1: It means nothing?
Speaker 5: I mean what all of that means to me is
Speaker 5: that like Democrats, because they are normal people, they're not Republicans,
Speaker 5: they know how bad all this is.
Speaker 4: They hate it, they are mad at it, and Yahoo,
Speaker 4: you only really.
Speaker 5: Need to see a couple of war crime videos to
Speaker 5: know that, like what happened is happening over there is ghastly.
Speaker 5: They also aren't willing to like nuke their lives and
Speaker 5: a lot of other people's lives to let Trump back in, right.
Speaker 3: And I do believe they genuinely view Israel as an
Speaker 3: extremely important ally in the Middle East.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they think that this could be fixed, right
Speaker 5: because like we did some awful stuff in Iraq, but
Speaker 5: then we elected Bobama and everything got better, right or
Speaker 5: something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I mean like they don't like Netan Yahoo. The
Speaker 3: Badian admin doesn't like that Yahoo because he's not efficient
Speaker 3: at war. He's efficient at doing like like an ethnic cleansing,
Speaker 3: he's efficient at doing wide civilian casualties, but he's not
Speaker 3: good at actually like fighting this war very well. This
Speaker 3: is something that like Biden's team has consistently not been
Speaker 3: thrilled by, but they're not going to do much about it.
Speaker 3: Kind of the last foreign policy line that she had was, quote,
Speaker 3: I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary
Speaker 3: to defend our forces and our interests against Iran and
Speaker 3: Iran backed terrorists, and will not cozy up to irants
Speaker 3: and dictators like Kim Jong un who are rooting for
Speaker 3: Trump unquote. And I think basically this ties into a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of rhetoric that I've seen throughout the DNC
Speaker 3: including from speakers, speakers who are either vets or active military.
Speaker 3: That seems to be kind of slowly preparing the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party for another war, for some kind of on the
Speaker 3: ground activity in the Middle East, whether that be in Lebanon,
Speaker 3: whether that be in Iran. It's like they're slowly just
Speaker 3: prepping us for the possibility of war or invasion.
Speaker 1: Oh, that does seem likely.
Speaker 3: This is a big part of like the Democratic Party's
Speaker 3: official like a policy platform on Palestine, which they did
Speaker 3: release during the DNC, and a big part of that
Speaker 3: is about is talking about how important Israel is as
Speaker 3: a Middle East ally.
Speaker 5: Where will we fly our planes over.
Speaker 3: If they ever need to put troops on the ground.
Speaker 3: And I think that is so much of why they're
Speaker 3: unwilling to budge on anything resembling like an actual ceasefire
Speaker 3: or an arms embargo is because they view this as
Speaker 3: like a real possibility. Anyway, that was that was this speech.
Speaker 3: The balloons dropped. Everyone lost their minds. Yep, it's not
Speaker 3: a cult in the same way.
Speaker 5: But there's there's you can see one building.
Speaker 3: Maybe the party is a cult, but it's not a
Speaker 3: Kamala cult the same way the GOP is now a
Speaker 3: Trump cult, right, like the Republicans are now a Trump cult.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It is not a cult of like who is the
Speaker 3: leader in the DNC, but it is more of a
Speaker 3: cult of like ideology, which I guess the Republicans just
Speaker 3: don't even have anymore.
Speaker 5: It's not even that it's it's a cult of uh.
Speaker 5: I think I would describe it as defensive cult making.
Speaker 5: Democrats have been so bewildered and frightened by the momentum
Speaker 5: that Trump and his people have had over the last decade,
Speaker 5: and they have like responded in part by adapting some
Speaker 5: aspects of like the cultic milieu to wrap around these
Speaker 5: ideas that like are are safe to them like that.
Speaker 5: That's a big part of the appeal of that don't
Speaker 5: go back champ right, which I think is a smart
Speaker 5: bit of politics, and I think actually it has the
Speaker 5: potential to save quite a bit of lives, particularly at
Speaker 5: least of like queer trans people in the United States.
Speaker 5: So I'm not saying this is bad politics, but there
Speaker 5: is a level of cultiness to that where you are
Speaker 5: kind of enrapturing people with this possibility of constant forward
Speaker 5: motion that we all know doesn't feel as true as
Speaker 5: it felt in twenties fifteen or fourteen. You know, it
Speaker 5: doesn't feel as possible as it felt in twenty twelve
Speaker 5: or two thousand and eight, that they're kind of trying
Speaker 5: to sell people on if we can just get over
Speaker 5: the hurdle of these Republicans, right, we can get back
Speaker 5: to the period where like things felt like we were
Speaker 5: all moving in the right direction, and that's magical thinking, Yeah.
Speaker 4: We can get back to a period of steady progress.
Speaker 5: I try to be even about this because as I
Speaker 5: wrote that episode, the fucking don't panic episode, because I
Speaker 5: was looking at people's talking on Reddit and in Twitter
Speaker 5: and just in real life and being like, I think
Speaker 5: some folks might kill themselves soon, yeah, out of fear
Speaker 5: of the Republicans. So I really hope no one reads
Speaker 5: what I'm saying is like, Ah, these stupid libs and
Speaker 5: their hope fetish. It's like no, no, no, But it's
Speaker 5: still a cultic belief. It's not rational. It may be
Speaker 5: necessary sometimes irrational beliefs are necessary, sure, but there's not
Speaker 5: a good reason for it yet. And don't fall too far,
Speaker 5: like fall, try not to fall further down that hole.
Speaker 5: Then you need to fall in order to keep yourself
Speaker 5: alive for the next eight months.
Speaker 3: So, even though Trump has spoke a lot the past
Speaker 3: eight years, his speech at the ERNC, I think was
Speaker 3: important because it was the first one post assassination. His
Speaker 3: viewership for that speech peaked at twenty eight point four million.
Speaker 3: Viewership for Kamala's speech Thursday night peaked at twenty eight
Speaker 3: point nine million. So she edged him out barely, at
Speaker 3: least in terms of peak numbers, by about five hundred
Speaker 3: thousand views.
Speaker 1: Very even, very even, yeah.
Speaker 4: Very even.
Speaker 3: And again, like Khan was not spoken tons, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people of tuning in to see what she
Speaker 3: sounds like, kind of for the first time on a
Speaker 3: big national platform. And meanwhile, I think people are just
Speaker 3: briefly tuning into Trump just to see what he's like
Speaker 3: after getting shot in the head. And I will read
Speaker 3: a few of Trump's tweets of well.
Speaker 5: He's not doing well. He's not doing well at all.
Speaker 1: Man, was he spiraling?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, from combless speech he just started by
Speaker 3: all caps?
Speaker 4: Is she talking about me?
Speaker 5: Excellent? Incredible stuff. Donald, buddy, I can tell you're slipping
Speaker 5: because four years ago you'd tried to tweet that out.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't have had to hear it from someone. There
Speaker 5: would have been a voice in your own head before
Speaker 5: you press sin that would have been like, don't do that, Donnie,
Speaker 5: come on, Donnie, come on, come on, You're better than.
Speaker 3: This quote too many thank yous, too rapidly said what's
Speaker 3: going on with her? Followed by one minute later in
Speaker 3: all caps, where's hunter see again?
Speaker 5: That his prime It would have been something. It would
Speaker 5: have been something like loopy hair or shit, some shit.
Speaker 5: He would have made some sort of insulting remark about
Speaker 5: her personal appearance and ignored the rest of the speech.
Speaker 3: One one minute later, Walls was an assistant coach, not
Speaker 3: a coach.
Speaker 5: That's such a weak.
Speaker 2: Very funny, very funny, oh thing.
Speaker 5: Most American men have been on a sports team, and
Speaker 5: we all know you just call them all coach.
Speaker 1: Everyone is like coach.
Speaker 5: They're just all coach. You don't say assistant coach. No
Speaker 5: player in a football team is everything like, hey, assistant coach,
Speaker 5: could you come over here? Like that's just not the
Speaker 5: way people are.
Speaker 1: No wow, anything else.
Speaker 3: A few months ago we did an episode talking about
Speaker 3: kind of polls that it is now largely outdated because
Speaker 3: Biden's no longer in the race, but we did talk
Speaker 3: about how most people's pick for president was literally anybody else.
Speaker 3: We saw one booth at the DNC protest that was
Speaker 3: literally anyone else themed booth, And oh boy, do I
Speaker 3: have news for you, buddy, the news. But we do
Speaker 3: have some polling data kind of on how satisfied people
Speaker 3: feel based on their choices for this presidential election. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously that there's a small post convention bump for Harris,
Speaker 3: but that that kind of usually tapers off.
Speaker 4: But in terms of their satisfaction.
Speaker 3: Of the candidacy options, in May, only fifty five percent
Speaker 3: of Democrats said they were satisfied. Now seventy nine percent
Speaker 3: say they're satisfied. Massive And for Republicans, back in May,
Speaker 3: sixty eight were satisfied and now seventy four are satisfied.
Speaker 3: So but both are moving towards higher satisfaction. And obviously
Speaker 3: the giant shift in Democrat numbers is is because of
Speaker 3: Kamala now and they're more satisfied with her than Republicans
Speaker 3: seem to be with Trump, which is which is an
Speaker 3: interesting stat and this is based on a New York
Speaker 3: Times to see in a College poll of registered vote
Speaker 3: in Arizona, Georgia, Nomada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. So that's
Speaker 3: just a few interesting a few interesting little notes there
Speaker 3: as we close out this week talking about the DNC.
Speaker 3: And then finally I have one kind of little funny anecdote.
Speaker 3: As we were leaving the DNC after Kamala's speech, means
Speaker 3: so iph he was walking around this area of Chicago
Speaker 3: trying to get far enough away from the convention center
Speaker 3: to get newber And I saw this guy maybe in
Speaker 3: his like oh so funny, probably in his twenties, who
Speaker 3: was either about to block up or just de blocked.
Speaker 3: And you can tell because he's wearing the pants he's wearing.
Speaker 5: Doc martins Garrison is referring to someone who has just
Speaker 5: taken off their black block as in the traditional kind
Speaker 5: of anarchist protest garb, and put on normal street clothes
Speaker 5: so as to escape from a police cordon.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this this guy was walking around either about to
Speaker 3: go to the protest or just left still had the
Speaker 3: Doc martins On had like the backpack full of his stuff.
Speaker 3: And as he walked by me, I just almost instinctively,
Speaker 3: like without thinking at all, this was this was this
Speaker 3: wasn't on purpose, just instinctively, I kind of muttered to myself,
Speaker 3: I know what you are and and he heard this
Speaker 3: and like turned around looking kind of like confused or concern,
Speaker 3: and I just had to I had to turn around.
Speaker 3: I just gave him a smile and a thumbs up,
Speaker 3: and he smiled back and kept and kept walking on.
Speaker 3: And that was my last interaction at the DNC, just
Speaker 3: just a little bit of using to me. There was
Speaker 3: a protest of around similar numbers to Mondays, so maybe
Speaker 3: like three thousand, two thousand people for kind of the
Speaker 3: last march on the DNC last Thursday. So there was
Speaker 3: another one of these big kind of coalition led marches Uly.
Speaker 5: It was not far from Monday's numbers actually, which was
Speaker 5: which was impressive.
Speaker 3: Pretty close, pretty close, but they did not reach the
Speaker 3: fence on like last time. A small section of them
Speaker 3: did not break off from the protest marshals and bypass
Speaker 3: a section of the fence on like like Monday, which
Speaker 3: did cause significant disruptions, but disruptions were not needed because
Speaker 3: the DNC disrupted itself by overbooking the venue and having
Speaker 3: way too many people.
Speaker 4: So there you go. That was the DNC I'm really
Speaker 4: glad it's over. Me too.
Speaker 5: I'm really glad it's over too, And I can't wait
Speaker 5: until twenty twenty eight when we all get to be
Speaker 5: together again to cover the next election. If there is.
Speaker 3: One, Comrade AOC proudly takes control. She raises the red
Speaker 3: flag on stage.
Speaker 5: Comrade AOC with her vice presidential candidate, the literal bones
Speaker 5: of Leon Trotsky running versus just an open chasm to
Speaker 5: the pit of Hell, an actual crack in the earth
Speaker 5: through which you can see the ephemeral forms of demons
Speaker 5: roiling in the magma below. That's gotta be a great
Speaker 5: gotta be a great one. Really excited for those conventions.
Speaker 1: And or Donald Trump Junior.
Speaker 5: Eric Trump and Donald Trump finally the dream team.
Speaker 4: I believe they could open up a chasm to Hell.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I think what would be more likely is if Eric
Speaker 5: Trump and Donald Trump Junior are on the same team
Speaker 5: with a bunch of secret Service agents, that we finally
Speaker 5: finally have a presidential election decided from a fentanyl overdose.
Speaker 5: They get some tampered coke.
Speaker 1: Anyways, the podcast is over. I'm gonna go dine out.
Speaker 5: Goodbye.
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