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Speaker 1: If we were to start by listing things that are
Speaker 1: obsolete or no longer in the NFL, Ron Wolfley, what
Speaker 1: would come to mind? Dumb that rolls, it's good, single
Speaker 1: bar face masks, right, I mean like goal posts in
Speaker 1: the front of the end zone, turf shoes as an
Speaker 1: AstroTurf yep stick them dripping off player's arms. Right, Lester
Speaker 1: Hey shoulder How about shoulder pads wider across than Navy
Speaker 1: flight deck like you used to wear back in the day. Oh,
Speaker 1: those are awesome, right there, play, I'd also have to
Speaker 1: say real eye black. I just don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of that anymore. And there's an addition to the list.
Speaker 1: May we suggest the word off season? I mean, what
Speaker 1: is this word off season? There is nothing off about
Speaker 1: the non game season. That's what I'm calling it. Game season,
Speaker 1: a non game season because games ended on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: we are busier than ever on this edition of The
Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We
Speaker 1: are santan Ford, Paul LVC, and Ron Wolfley. Think about it, right,
Speaker 1: think about everything that has happened just in the last
Speaker 1: third what forty eight to seventy two hours since that
Speaker 1: game ended, since the season ended on Sunday. And we'll
Speaker 1: get to everything, but Wolf maybe just a couple of
Speaker 1: general takeaways. None of this, I'm guessing, is that much
Speaker 1: of a surprise. We knew when the final raps were
Speaker 1: put on a four and thirteen season there will be changed,
Speaker 1: right Yeah, Paul, I mean I think we all suspected
Speaker 1: that there could possibly be change with all the distractions,
Speaker 1: with everything that happened with the injuries, situation being what
Speaker 1: it is, you did wonder that, hey, maybe it might
Speaker 1: be a situation where the organization looks at Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: end his coaching staff and says, hey, listen, we realize
Speaker 1: a lot of things went wrong, and a lot of
Speaker 1: things when sideways last season and there were distractions goal
Speaker 1: or distraction after the distraction PAULI. That to me, more
Speaker 1: than anything else, made me think maybe there is a chance,
Speaker 1: just maybe they'll give Cliff and his staff another year
Speaker 1: to come back and fix the problem. Because knowing Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and knowing the type of coach that he is,
Speaker 1: in the philosophy that he had, he always wanted us
Speaker 1: to eliminate all distractions in our life, whether it was personal, professional,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, eliminate the distractions and don't bring them
Speaker 1: into the locker room. And man, that's all there seemed
Speaker 1: to be last year, And that made me think maybe
Speaker 1: there might be a chance that Cliff and his staff
Speaker 1: will come back. But then on Monday the announcement was made.
Speaker 1: It was officially official Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kie will
Speaker 1: no longer be with the organization you're as team owner,
Speaker 1: Michael will we all thought that we would take the
Speaker 1: next step up after having achieved a playoff appearance last year.
Speaker 1: It didn't happen. The people in this room and our
Speaker 1: fans know all the reasons why, dating back to last year.
Speaker 1: That different factors that worked against us. Still not an
Speaker 1: excuse and we expected better. I expected better and we
Speaker 1: deserve better. Any sight of the San Francisco forty nine
Speaker 1: ers who put a heck of a team out on
Speaker 1: that field with a third string rookie quarterback. So yes,
Speaker 1: injuries are part of the game, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the same issues and air self inflicted airs that you
Speaker 1: saw at the beginning of the season, you were still
Speaker 1: seen at the end of the season. And by the
Speaker 1: time the season ended, well, you had a four and
Speaker 1: thirteen campaign and since you started ten and two, Wolf,
Speaker 1: it's a team that has lost eighteen of twenty three.
Speaker 1: So change was needed. Yeah, there's no doubt, Paul. It's
Speaker 1: very difficult for me. I do believe that Cliff Kingsbury
Speaker 1: is a good co which I do believe that Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury ultimately will have the opportunity maybe to prove that someday.
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it just did not work out here.
Speaker 1: I think coming in Cliff Kingsbury had to change some things,
Speaker 1: and he really didn't change an awful lot. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think Cliff doubled down on some
Speaker 1: of the culture he had already built here, and I
Speaker 1: think in the end it came back to bite him
Speaker 1: in the butt. Yeah. When the Cardinals were at their
Speaker 1: best under Cliff Kingsbury, they were really running the ball.
Speaker 1: It was a balanced offense. It was a physical brand offense,
Speaker 1: at least enough to keep a defense honest, you know.
Speaker 1: And there were a couple of curiosities. Wolf, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: You go out Week fifteen with Trace McSorley throws it
Speaker 1: forty five times when James Connor average five point three
Speaker 1: yards per carry. Cole McCoy Weeks sixteen to Denver on
Speaker 1: that third and one to the thirty four is zone.
Speaker 1: Read with thirty six year old Cole McCoy. That the
Speaker 1: risk reward on that right. And then like week seventeen
Speaker 1: at Atlanta, David blows for starts. Since twenty nineteen, David
Speaker 1: blow at forty pass attempts when again James Connor was
Speaker 1: averaging five yards of carry. You had only got sixteen carries.
Speaker 1: So there were just certain trends. I think that just
Speaker 1: never seemed to go away. Yeah, and not only that too, Paul.
Speaker 1: I think the harsh reality, the harsh reality that the
Speaker 1: pendulum was swinging when Cliff came into the league, his
Speaker 1: new age offense, Paul, and the new way of thinking
Speaker 1: in regard to the game of football really was swinging
Speaker 1: to the right man, it was swinging all the way
Speaker 1: up there. It was going to take over. It felt
Speaker 1: like it was going to take over the league. And
Speaker 1: that pendulum has come way back to the center where
Speaker 1: it's more of a blend of the old and the new, Paul.
Speaker 1: And there's no excuse, I think, for the most part,
Speaker 1: and no reason why any culture for a football team
Speaker 1: should not include physicality in the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: running the ball and stopping the run. And I do
Speaker 1: believe that's part of the culture that got lost here
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. That's what makes this
Speaker 1: so intriguing. You know what sort of head coach and
Speaker 1: GM is the owner looking for. Here's Michael Bidwell. The
Speaker 1: search is started for both the general manager and for
Speaker 1: a head coach. We're going to cast them that far
Speaker 1: and wide. We are going to look at internal candidates
Speaker 1: and external candidates. We're not looking at particularly offense or defense.
Speaker 1: The preference is to get a general manager in place first,
Speaker 1: but if that doesn't happen, we're not going to be
Speaker 1: afraid to hire the right head coach. And I've already
Speaker 1: interviewed two internal candidates for general manager, Adrian Wilson and
Speaker 1: Quentin Harris. I've also interviewed one external candidate, and we've
Speaker 1: got interviews later this week. In fact, per NFL Network,
Speaker 1: they've already interviewed former Giants GM Jerry Reese. They requested
Speaker 1: permission interview Bears assistant jim Ian Cunningham, along with Niners
Speaker 1: Director of pro Personnel Ran Carthon. They also requested permission
Speaker 1: but were declined by another member that Niners front office,
Speaker 1: Adam Peters, and then monteosasan Fort, was also a direct
Speaker 1: Tennessee Director of player personnel, and they requested permission interview
Speaker 1: him as well. Yeah, you know what I like about that, Polly.
Speaker 1: For the most part, when you think of those last
Speaker 1: three names right there, the two gentlemen from the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers and then of course from the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 1: But you want to talk about teams that have a culture.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about teams that are very, very physical,
Speaker 1: and in particular, I would say that on the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage for the most part, offensively and defensively, two
Speaker 1: teams that really know how to get after it. And
Speaker 1: I wonder, Palli if that isn't an indicator as to
Speaker 1: the direction in which Michael Bidwell in the organization should
Speaker 1: maybe moving in terms of culture, in terms of going
Speaker 1: out and what they foresee as being important to them
Speaker 1: in the coming days and weeks. Well, Michael Bidwell was
Speaker 1: asked about urgency and whether he feels it in conducting
Speaker 1: this search. Oh, yes, there's an incredible sense of urgency.
Speaker 1: And believe me, I've been exchanging texts and messages and
Speaker 1: phone calls and getting the input of a lot of
Speaker 1: folks and trying to get a three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: degree view of a number of candidates. You know, there
Speaker 1: is no fixed list at this point. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: cast the net as far and wide as i can.
Speaker 1: But there are four other openings between Houston and Carolina
Speaker 1: and Indian denver So and then we got the news
Speaker 1: about Sean Payton this afternoon about how Sean Payton and
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, while the Cardinals have a requested permission to
Speaker 1: speak with a former Saints head coach still property of
Speaker 1: the Saints, that's according to NFL Network. Now he can't
Speaker 1: formally interview with any team until January seventeen, but you
Speaker 1: can have conversations, and the Cardinals ever requested as much
Speaker 1: to speak with Sean Payton. This is going to be
Speaker 1: really interesting, Paulie, to see how this unfolds, because you
Speaker 1: know that Sean Payton is going to generate an awful
Speaker 1: lot of interest and already has at least reportedly. There
Speaker 1: are going to be teams, multiple teams that are out
Speaker 1: there right now. And you also have to wonder, is
Speaker 1: it is Jim Harbaugh actually in the equation right here
Speaker 1: for other teams? It appears as though he is getting
Speaker 1: some love, he is getting some juice from some other
Speaker 1: teams that are out there right now. Could that be
Speaker 1: a name possibly, If in fact, this net is going
Speaker 1: to be cast very far and wide, could he possibly
Speaker 1: be a name? I don't see that happening here, but
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see if in fact they
Speaker 1: do speak with him. Well, he does have connections with
Speaker 1: the Colts Jim Harbaugh, right and ownership. There's a former
Speaker 1: Colts quarterback. He does have connections with the new Broncos
Speaker 1: front office from some of the Stamford days, and some
Speaker 1: of those same decision makers who were at Stamford are
Speaker 1: now with the Broncos. So that is intriguing. You're absolutely right, Wolf,
Speaker 1: And as we know and has been speculated upon, Sean
Speaker 1: Payton will require compensation to the New Orleans Saints. So
Speaker 1: what is a Sean Payton, a proven head coach with
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring? What does culture work to you?
Speaker 1: Because he does come as his self contain proven head coach.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of discussion about that, and
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about what Sean Payton really wants.
Speaker 1: If you believe some of the reports out there, he's
Speaker 1: been doing homework on the Cardinals and he's a Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray fan quote end quote. According to Tom Pellicero on
Speaker 1: the NFL Network, we continue with a big red rage
Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford,
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, I mean, somebody who I've really grown to
Speaker 1: like and appreciate just a great man. I've been around
Speaker 1: this organization my entire life, and I don't know any
Speaker 1: coach that has worked harder than Cliff Kingsbury. He has
Speaker 1: put in countless hours and we had a good long
Speaker 1: conversation today and which I told him I'm really sorry
Speaker 1: because this is a tough decision. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it was a decision that needed to be made, and
Speaker 1: I wished it could have worked out better for him,
Speaker 1: because in terms of putting in the effort, there's a
Speaker 1: guy that really deserved to have the outcome that we
Speaker 1: were all expecting. You know what's really strange here at
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals Dignity Health Training Center, it's a big
Speaker 1: red rage present him by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We
Speaker 1: are Santan Ford Ron Wolf of there. Paul Kelvey's here.
Speaker 1: When you're at the facility, Wolf and you know this,
Speaker 1: and you don't see Cliff Kingsbury's Ford rapp or a
Speaker 1: pickup truck right when it was always there, to the
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, did his battery die? And that
Speaker 1: truck never leaves. He's the first one in, he's the
Speaker 1: last one out. Michael Bidwell is not kidding when you
Speaker 1: just talk about the sheer work ethic of a Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: Now it's all about productivity in the NFL, and ultimately
Speaker 1: that was a deciding factor. But I think you would
Speaker 1: echo those comments. Yeah, no, Polly, I am a Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury fan. I really am. Yes, his philosophy when it
Speaker 1: comes to the game of football was not my philosophy
Speaker 1: for the most part. But this is a guy that
Speaker 1: is incredibly smart. And what I also appreciated about Cliff
Speaker 1: is he's humble as well. And you don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of guys that have that combination of being smart,
Speaker 1: really smart, and humble, and that's what Cliff was. For
Speaker 1: the most part. I appreciate the fact that he wasn't dogmatic,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a chip Kelly. I've spoken of this many times.
Speaker 1: He wasn't coming into the league and thought he was
Speaker 1: going to change the league forever. And we saw that
Speaker 1: in year one when he came in the first half
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Polly, he was running the air raid.
Speaker 1: For the most part, he was running it, and suddenly
Speaker 1: it wasn't working. It was sputtering, So they moved to
Speaker 1: more twelve personnel, two tight ends, more of a power scheme,
Speaker 1: and suddenly they played better in the second half. He
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to prove a point. He came in, and
Speaker 1: yes he had a different agenda in terms of offensive football,
Speaker 1: but he came in and he wasn't trying to prove
Speaker 1: a point. He was trying to win games. And by
Speaker 1: the way Kyler Murray progressed from his rookie year to
Speaker 1: his second year to his third year, he got better
Speaker 1: every year. The first three years in the league, it
Speaker 1: was undeniable Cliff Kingsbury and his staff. They were bringing
Speaker 1: along not only Kyler Murray, but also the entire team.
Speaker 1: That's why they got into the postseason. Yes, I understand
Speaker 1: they collapsed in the second half of the season in
Speaker 1: year three, and yes, I understand that postseason game wasn't
Speaker 1: good by any stretch of the imagination, but they brought
Speaker 1: Kyler along and they brought the team along as well.
Speaker 1: I just feel like this move when you hear Michael
Speaker 1: said it was a move that needed to happen for me,
Speaker 1: that speaks to Kyler Murray and believing whether or not
Speaker 1: Cliff could actually take Kyler Murray to the next level
Speaker 1: of quarterback play, and as Michael told the media, it's
Speaker 1: not as if anyone is hitting the easy button. Ten
Speaker 1: months ago, Cliff Kingsbury got a significant contract extension that
Speaker 1: would be paid off. In fact, Peter Schreger NFL Network
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Cliff Kingsbury Monday afternoon. Cliff I
Speaker 1: spoke to him yesterday after he got the news. Actually
Speaker 1: said mister Bidwell was incredibly classy, brought him in and
Speaker 1: they had an emotional Farewell Bidwell and Cliff had no
Speaker 1: beef by any means, If anything, Cliff really studied the ship.
Speaker 1: I mean, once Mix City happened and you had the
Speaker 1: situation with the offensive line coach, and you come back
Speaker 1: and the general manager takes a leave of absence, you're
Speaker 1: talking about leadership roles being gone. And Cliff said, put
Speaker 1: it on me. I understand. And they hadn't won any
Speaker 1: games and they were going down this road, and I
Speaker 1: think Bidwell decided that for the better of this organization,
Speaker 1: let's just start with a clean slate. If you're mister
Speaker 1: Bidwell and and you're looking at this, you're like, you
Speaker 1: must really want to clean start because you're eating that
Speaker 1: number and if you're the fans, you've got to feel
Speaker 1: at least enthused that the owner isn't worried about, well,
Speaker 1: what's my wallet saying he's going for this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's ownership money. That's not deadcamp money. You know, that's
Speaker 1: ownership money. That's a sunk cost. That's called in business
Speaker 1: failing fast. You saw it after Steve Wilkes. You know
Speaker 1: that contract was absorbed as well, now with Cliff kingsburying
Speaker 1: that extension, same with Steve Kime. So obviously it says
Speaker 1: that when things aren't training in the right direction, then
Speaker 1: guess what the necessary moves will be made. In fact,
Speaker 1: speaking of here's Michael Bidwell just on what it's going
Speaker 1: to take PAP financially to find the best candidates. Well,
Speaker 1: what I'm willing to do financially is get the best
Speaker 1: coach and the best GM. I don't know the biggest
Speaker 1: name correlates to the best coach, So I guess what
Speaker 1: I would say is, I definitely want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we get the best coach and the best general
Speaker 1: manager for this team. Will live with the financial consequences
Speaker 1: and you guys don't have to worry about it. We'll
Speaker 1: take care of that. So we'll manage our way through.
Speaker 1: And that's great. We know all about this season, and
Speaker 1: you know you document it. It's very real. The off
Speaker 1: the field distractions very much played into the on field product.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is talk to some of
Speaker 1: the players, and a couple of them actually went on
Speaker 1: the record and said as much on Monday when they're
Speaker 1: cleaning out their their lockers. Here's the thing, though, you
Speaker 1: had a record setting five of the ten teams that
Speaker 1: hire new coaches last year made the playoffs. Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: took Jacksonville from worst of first, Brian Dable made the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, Mike McDaniel, Todd Bowl. So it's doable, right,
Speaker 1: These first year coaches can make the postseason if you
Speaker 1: find the right candidate. Yeah, and especially too, because I
Speaker 1: think the Arizona Cardinals could actually free up some cap
Speaker 1: space here and there's a lot of free agents of
Speaker 1: course that are going to be leaving, and that really
Speaker 1: aligns with having a new general manager and a new
Speaker 1: head coach, whoever that may be, whatever the combination may be,
Speaker 1: and bringing them in here trying to make some type
Speaker 1: of move from worst to first whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility, Paulie. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: when I listen to Michael Bidwell's say, you know, what's
Speaker 1: to hire the best head coach and the best general manager?
Speaker 1: You know, so much of that makes me think of
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. It does. And I know we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about this in a little bit more detail eventually,
Speaker 1: but for me, it is about, Okay, what head coach
Speaker 1: has the best chance of actually reaching Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: being able to take Kyler Murray to that next level
Speaker 1: physically and mentally. Of course, what's the best GM that
Speaker 1: might be able to put a team around Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and taking him to that next level of quarterback play
Speaker 1: he and the team well. When it comes to having
Speaker 1: a plan and what ownership is looking for, Michael Bidwell
Speaker 1: was asked about that, I think the key is casting
Speaker 1: the net far and wide, making sure that we've got
Speaker 1: somebody with a very good plan, with right leadership skills
Speaker 1: that can come in not only a GM, but also
Speaker 1: it head coach. I don't know that we're as broken
Speaker 1: as maybe people think. I mean, our record is terrible,
Speaker 1: but when you look at the talent on this team,
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of talent. We've just got to
Speaker 1: make sure that they're all playing together. I go back
Speaker 1: to Hard Knocks and the locker room scene after the
Speaker 1: loss to New England and Cliff addressing the team when
Speaker 1: he said, and I'm quoting this, it's maybe a fault
Speaker 1: of mine, but I'm going to treat you like men.
Speaker 1: So we have to hold each other accountable. Yet accountabilities
Speaker 1: seem to be a persistent problem throughout the season. They
Speaker 1: try to address it in the off season. I think
Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, that's still my theory, was enacted to add
Speaker 1: another layer of accountability. Yet you just didn't see it.
Speaker 1: You didn't see the attention to detail. James Connor talked
Speaker 1: about that with the media. You heard it in Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: and one of his speeches is about the details about
Speaker 1: locking in. So when you talk about culture, well, I
Speaker 1: think that's a byproduct of what the Cardinals are looking for.
Speaker 1: And Michael Bidwill said at one point, and I have
Speaker 1: it right here, he said, make sure you have a
Speaker 1: culture of a locker room that's focused on maximum effort
Speaker 1: that one begets the other. Yes, Polly, culture, culture, culture,
Speaker 1: you know, Paul how big I am on this and
Speaker 1: culture is nothing more than a collection of definitive statements
Speaker 1: that you make about who you are and what you're
Speaker 1: going to do. Like, for instance, we're going to be
Speaker 1: the most physical team in the league. Is that is
Speaker 1: what you believe, You're gonna say it, You're gonna speak it,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna try to fulfill that. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, we're gonna build our depth chart on
Speaker 1: the foundation of discipline. We're gonna practice the game of
Speaker 1: football hard. And if you don't believe in practicing football hard,
Speaker 1: there's a chance you're not going to be here. It's
Speaker 1: a collection of definitive statements about beliefs that you have
Speaker 1: and man, I'll tell you, it helps you pick guys
Speaker 1: that are out there, whether you're in the draft, whether
Speaker 1: it's free agency. It helps the general manager in particular,
Speaker 1: and it's the reason why he's got to have the
Speaker 1: blessing of the head coach. But it helps that team
Speaker 1: go out and fill the roster positions that you have
Speaker 1: with guys who believe that stuff. You know, we have
Speaker 1: conversations with Drew stand at the stadium. Obviously he was
Speaker 1: on the Red Sea Report this week. Wolf with Craig Grigor,
Speaker 1: little Kyle Vanabosh, and he's asked about some of these
Speaker 1: young offensive head coaches, you know this wave that you
Speaker 1: cited right the last few years, and how half of
Speaker 1: seemingly failed, And according to Drew, the most important thing
Speaker 1: beyond the xes and ohs is you have to be
Speaker 1: a great leader of men. So whereas yes, these are
Speaker 1: great offensive minds and game planners and play callers, can
Speaker 1: you lead the locker room? Can you get the most
Speaker 1: out of your roster? And that's what really separates those
Speaker 1: long term head coaches who flourish from those who may
Speaker 1: not make it to a second or third contract. So
Speaker 1: I thought that was intriguing. In fact, we'll continue to
Speaker 1: talk about Kyler Murray and what that means from the
Speaker 1: new coaching staff when we come back. It is a
Speaker 1: big red rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We
Speaker 1: are santan Ford, all right. Let's started out with Robert
Speaker 1: Downey junior. All right, So here's the deal, empty set
Speaker 1: now from Murray. Three receivers right, of course, it is
Speaker 1: snapped to Kyler looking right now back in the middle.
Speaker 1: Now runs to the right. A lot of right here,
Speaker 1: three right turns brings you back to the same place,
Speaker 1: I believe, all right, Morgan Freeman, then from here on out,
Speaker 1: looking still dancing around, pointing, still holding the ball like
Speaker 1: a street ball in the backyard. He's still got it.
Speaker 1: Runs right to the ten, cuts left to the five,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna score, all right, dude, de nironell Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, ha hah. Kayler, murray on that play. On
Speaker 1: a play that took about a minute, somehow get to
Speaker 1: the ends off for two points. This is the entertainment
Speaker 1: capital of the world. And I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: seen the two point play is entertaining as a hack?
Speaker 1: All right? Now with Wolfley stepping in here to mel Kiper,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about I've never seen that for my life,
Speaker 1: and I've had a tremendously long life. Somebody tell me
Speaker 1: how long that play is? You know. Let Kyler sit
Speaker 1: down and do the yoda right now, because that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And listen, there a lot of things in my life,
Speaker 1: but when the world is do the yoda, I mean
Speaker 1: talking about a guy who sometimes why. It is episode
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Speaker 1: A fresh pod it's so good fresh Frank Caliendo, Oh,
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Speaker 1: the comedy. I mean he puts the entertainment and infotainment.
Speaker 1: Put it that way. It's a great stuff. Wherever year
Speaker 1: podcast on Twitter at pash pod and uh yeah, Wolf,
Speaker 1: let's just say you're impersonated at some point during the pod. Yeah, okay, Frankie,
Speaker 1: you gotta work on Okay, I've heard kids do better
Speaker 1: job than that. But Frankie all the other nails. It's
Speaker 1: great stuff. And you know what, it's a perfect anecdote
Speaker 1: coming off a long season, is it not. So go
Speaker 1: ahead and check out the pash pod. As for the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and you heard Kyler Murray and the reference right there. Look,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. You know, there are reasons why
Speaker 1: head coaches are replaced, and we've heard Michael Bidwell tick
Speaker 1: off some of the reasons in the past over the years. Right,
Speaker 1: if you're not competitive within your own division, for example,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a head coach might lose the locker
Speaker 1: room leadership. Hey, it could be for your fan base
Speaker 1: or for sponsors you got to restore hope, could be
Speaker 1: all the above. But ultimately, when you have a young
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, it was offensive Rookie of the year his
Speaker 1: first year and then a pro bowler's next two years.
Speaker 1: But ever since the playoff loss hasn't quite been the same.
Speaker 1: That is where it starts, doesn't not, Ron Wolf. I mean,
Speaker 1: anybody who gets the GM and the head coaching job
Speaker 1: better have a plan in mind for Kyler Murray. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is job one. It's got to be job one
Speaker 1: right now. You've invested so much time, of course, and
Speaker 1: money into Kyler Murray and two hundred and thirty million
Speaker 1: dollar contract, of course, and he was getting better from
Speaker 1: his rookie year to his third year. My goodness, Paul,
Speaker 1: We've talked about it many times. The advancement the development
Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray seemed to be on track. And guess what,
Speaker 1: so did the wins and then year four came around.
Speaker 1: In man, there was a step back for Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: right now, and I do believe more than anything else,
Speaker 1: it's that step back that ultimately got Cliff and his
Speaker 1: staff out of here and now we're here where we
Speaker 1: are looking for a replacement. Those replacements, whether it is
Speaker 1: a general manager or a head coach, whoever you bring
Speaker 1: into the organization to get this right, they have to
Speaker 1: fix Kyler Murray first. They have to be able to
Speaker 1: reach Kyler Murray first. And Paul the first guy that
Speaker 1: has to do that. As Kyler Murray himself, He's got
Speaker 1: to be personally responsible for his own development. Look at himself,
Speaker 1: take off the rose colored glasses, look at himself and say, man,
Speaker 1: as a player, I can get better, and I need
Speaker 1: to get better. I need to advance my development. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that development has to do
Speaker 1: with a blending of the old and the new. And
Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about it for years, and we'll
Speaker 1: see what the head coach has in mind. I'll give
Speaker 1: you a few thoughts and what a few people have
Speaker 1: said about that. But Michael Bidwell, when meeting the media,
Speaker 1: was asked about Kyler Murray specifically and whether he would
Speaker 1: have a say in this process. We're in communication and
Speaker 1: absolutely want to get the input of our leaders, including Kyler,
Speaker 1: and spoken with a number of leaders already. Input not
Speaker 1: a say in the decision, but feedback, some input. Hey,
Speaker 1: maybe even a conversation with a prospective head coach who
Speaker 1: makes it to the final stages. I could see that,
Speaker 1: But ultimately this is going to be a decision made
Speaker 1: by those in the front office, and when they do,
Speaker 1: they're going to be looking at a Kyler Murray who
Speaker 1: at least well, if you think back to when he
Speaker 1: first landed on the scene out of the draft, how
Speaker 1: do we talk about Kyler Murray? We talked about him
Speaker 1: as a pocket quarterback or at least a passing quarterback
Speaker 1: who can run, not a running quarterback who can throw
Speaker 1: at times. And so I think there's still this misperception
Speaker 1: out there about Kyler's abilities to dissect a defense with
Speaker 1: his arm, with his mind. Now, we didn't see enough
Speaker 1: of that this year, obviously, and to me, the real
Speaker 1: regression was in the lack of downfield passing attack as
Speaker 1: compared to the last couple of years. But you've seen,
Speaker 1: like what the forty nine ers do, how they can
Speaker 1: win with a rookie third string quarterback when you build
Speaker 1: everything else around that quarterback, so the entire offensive game
Speaker 1: plan isn't solely dependent on the performance of the key Yeah, bully,
Speaker 1: And you know it was interesting too not to bring
Speaker 1: in Sean Payton once again because we are going to
Speaker 1: talk about that. But you know, Sean Payton when asked
Speaker 1: what he would do with Kyler Murray. Of course, he
Speaker 1: was talking about bringing in an offense where he was
Speaker 1: under center more and he was going to run the
Speaker 1: play action that goes with all of that. Those are
Speaker 1: the bootlegs, the waggles, of course, the seven step drop
Speaker 1: right in the pocket with play action throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just about that. It was also about
Speaker 1: running the ball. He was talking about running the ball.
Speaker 1: This is I don't care who Michael goes out and
Speaker 1: hires and brings in, because the guy is going to
Speaker 1: run that kind of offense. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: a general manager, if it's a head coach, wherever he
Speaker 1: gets him from. That's exactly what I think is going
Speaker 1: to happen, the evolution of this offense, Paul moving him
Speaker 1: around from shotgun to pistol to your center and doing
Speaker 1: it consistently and then running the plays that come with it.
Speaker 1: That's the next step I see for Kyler Murray. This
Speaker 1: is just my opinion right now, but I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly where they're going to try to take him. And
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Bidwell was asked about Kyler Murray and
Speaker 1: coming off the knee injury and what that means for
Speaker 1: this team when he's healthy again, he's going to recover
Speaker 1: from the miss injury and we're going to have a
Speaker 1: great player come back next year. And so I think
Speaker 1: it's really important for us to make sure that we
Speaker 1: don't lose sight of that. And let's not lose sight
Speaker 1: of thirteen months ago. We're the hottest team in the
Speaker 1: league just thirteen months ago, and so you've all seen it.
Speaker 1: They're teams that have been down a few years ago
Speaker 1: that have flipped around and now are in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we can be a quick turnaround.
Speaker 1: We've got to get the right head coach, the right
Speaker 1: general manager. In here. You mentioned those comments Sean Payton
Speaker 1: talking about Kyler Murray, and go back to September. It
Speaker 1: was on The Cowherd Show, and I have the quote
Speaker 1: here in front of me. I'm not going to read
Speaker 1: the entire thing, but you're exactly right. He talked about
Speaker 1: developing a better running game under center, hand the ball
Speaker 1: off to another really good player, you know, a few
Speaker 1: more layups. He called it Sean Payton for Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: which is something Kurt Warner has talked about trying to
Speaker 1: get some of those easier throws and then and then
Speaker 1: he said, Sean Payton, when I need those plays that
Speaker 1: are singularly Kyler, they're gonna come spontaneously, like third down
Speaker 1: or red zone. And you know what I thought of,
Speaker 1: and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 1: This team under Cliff Kingsbury was at its absolute best
Speaker 1: during that seven and oz start Week four at the
Speaker 1: La Rams And what did they do? They ran at
Speaker 1: thirty nine times for over two hundred yards, and Kyler
Speaker 1: was killing that Rams defense on plays like when it
Speaker 1: was third and fourteen, right, and he just organically ran
Speaker 1: for sixteen and it deflated the entire Rams defense. It
Speaker 1: was the combination of all of that and that's where
Speaker 1: the Cardinals to me, were at their best in the
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury era. Yes, no, Paul, you're all over this.
Speaker 1: And see that's exactly what I believe as well. I've
Speaker 1: talked about this many many times. What you hear Sean
Speaker 1: Payton saying is you know what, listen, if you build
Speaker 1: your offense around Kyler Murray running the ball, if that's
Speaker 1: what you're doing, you're calling his number and building your
Speaker 1: offense around him running the ball in order to be successful,
Speaker 1: you're doing it the wrong way. You are. What you
Speaker 1: need to do is allow him spontaneously to actually use
Speaker 1: that talent. Well. One of the ways to do that
Speaker 1: is get him out on the edge man for the
Speaker 1: most part, get him out on the edge with a boot,
Speaker 1: with a waggle, whatever it may be. Let him pull
Speaker 1: the ball down of course, and converts with his legs.
Speaker 1: That's where you want Kyler Murray running the ball. You
Speaker 1: don't want to call Kyler Murray's number in terms of hey,
Speaker 1: let's run quarterback power right here. Let's run a ton
Speaker 1: of zone reads where the d defense can actually dictate
Speaker 1: what Kyler does with the ball if you want to.
Speaker 1: If you want Kyler Murray running the ball, you can
Speaker 1: actually dictate it based on the zone reads and defensively
Speaker 1: what you do. So I think it's got to be
Speaker 1: a use of Kyler Murray spontaneously with his athleticism and
Speaker 1: not a lot of cold runs and soda. Sean Payton
Speaker 1: believe that doesn't look like Lamar Jackson is going to
Speaker 1: play in his playoff game. Jalen Hurts has been banged
Speaker 1: up justin fields we know what happened to Cam Newton
Speaker 1: After all those hits running quarterback power right, defensive coordinators
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Speaker 1: and a new look Arizona Cardinals team as there will
Speaker 1: be a new head coach, there will be a new GM.
Speaker 1: In fact, Michael Bidwell was asked about, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: you go ahead and delegate roster control? And there's always
Speaker 1: that favorite question of you know, who's in control of
Speaker 1: the roster. It's it's when you look at it. Pretty
Speaker 1: much every team around the league except for just a
Speaker 1: few exceptions, there's a real partnership between the general manager
Speaker 1: and the head coach, and I think that's that's what
Speaker 1: we're looking for, rather than trying to dictate something up
Speaker 1: front and there are assets. I mean, you know when
Speaker 1: he said, okay, um, and we'll hear this a little
Speaker 1: bit later, just about okay, the state of the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, Wolf, if if you can go ahead and
Speaker 1: address the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: then you know, this to me could be potentially a
Speaker 1: fairly quick fix, depending ultimately on the health of Kyla Murray. Yeah, Polly,
Speaker 1: I think that really is the rebuild for the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals on the line of scrimmage on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball right here. But I just want to go
Speaker 1: back quickly to what Michael was talking about right there.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the general manager and the head coach is the
Speaker 1: same person, right, That's all I'm saying, Polly, and makes
Speaker 1: pardon can be You're right, absolutely, and that makes roster
Speaker 1: control very very simple right there. But you know, going
Speaker 1: back to it, Paul, I mean, once again, yes, they've
Speaker 1: got to be on the same page. That's imperative. If
Speaker 1: you are going to have a general manager and a
Speaker 1: head coach, they've got to be symbiotic in how they
Speaker 1: view the game of football, how they see the game
Speaker 1: of football being played. That culture that we talked about.
Speaker 1: That's why I think it's important that Michael if in
Speaker 1: fact it's not going to be one person that fills
Speaker 1: the head coaching job and the general manager, if it
Speaker 1: is going to be somebody that he'll hire, whether it's
Speaker 1: inside the organization or outside the organization, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to get a general manager first. And he has
Speaker 1: specified that he'd like to do it that way. It
Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's going to happen that way, but he'd
Speaker 1: like to do it that way. And I think that
Speaker 1: way you get a guy who's looking for the same
Speaker 1: type of culture in his head coach. So you hire
Speaker 1: the GM, and then it makes it a little easier
Speaker 1: to go out and get at that head coach because
Speaker 1: you got two like minded individuals. And once you identify
Speaker 1: and hire those two spots, those two positions, well then
Speaker 1: the question becomes, all right, what needs to be improved First,
Speaker 1: here's the owner of Michael Bidwell. I think the number
Speaker 1: one thing is we need to really make sure that
Speaker 1: we're getting the most out of those players and that
Speaker 1: the players are one hundred percent committed to making sure
Speaker 1: that we do everything we can do. And I've been
Speaker 1: speaking to some of our leaders and there we want
Speaker 1: to make sure that we've got the culture of that
Speaker 1: locker room, the culture of our organization really focused on
Speaker 1: maximum effort and making sure we do everything we can
Speaker 1: do to win the NFC West once again. You know,
Speaker 1: players went on the record and they said it on
Speaker 1: Monday packing up their lockers. There definitely been too many distractions,
Speaker 1: and so it's you know, less is more, And it
Speaker 1: really started with the off season in January a year ago,
Speaker 1: whether it was the contract negotiations, everything going on, the
Speaker 1: tragic passing to Jeff Gladdie. Gonna have enough time to
Speaker 1: go through everything that was off the field that impacted
Speaker 1: on the field. So if you can go ahead and
Speaker 1: you can dial that in Wolf and then try and
Speaker 1: figure out, okay, what places need addressing. For example, DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins already there is a lot of speculation that d
Speaker 1: hop might be on the trade block. What says you
Speaker 1: when it comes to that question, Yeah, Paul it's it's
Speaker 1: a great question. You know how I feel about the
Speaker 1: hop I love the guy thirty years old right now
Speaker 1: and still has value. I think the Arizona Cardinals are
Speaker 1: going to receive and probably are receiving a lot of
Speaker 1: phone calls about DeAndre Hopkins and his future right now.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of value there. I would imagine they're
Speaker 1: going to get multiple teams with multiple phone calls on
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and what they're gonna do there, I do
Speaker 1: not know, But you know, when you're in a rebuild,
Speaker 1: and yes, I don't think it's a full on rebuild
Speaker 1: of the entire team, not when you've gotch or franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1: But I do believe on the line of scrimmage offensively
Speaker 1: and defensively, as we discussed earlier, that's where they're gonna
Speaker 1: focus or attention a lot of it on this rebuild.
Speaker 1: You know, at some point in time, d hop with
Speaker 1: all the value that he has out there, somebody's gonna
Speaker 1: offer you something that's a little bit too good to
Speaker 1: turn down. And for what is I think that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I agree, I really do. He's missed fifteen games the
Speaker 1: last two years and you know what, if you can
Speaker 1: sell high, maybe even get a first round pick. I
Speaker 1: think absolutely, you do it. Maybe he knows as much.
Speaker 1: He posted a picture of himself in a Cardinals uniform
Speaker 1: on social media with the words quote forever grateful, dot
Speaker 1: dot dot, almost as if he's turning the page. He
Speaker 1: does have a no trade clause, so maybe the feeling
Speaker 1: is mutual that it's the best fit for both sides.
Speaker 1: All we know is that there is going to be
Speaker 1: changed and at the end of this season. And here's
Speaker 1: the story from Mike Garret, Folo NFL Network reporter about
Speaker 1: Adrian Wilson and Quinn Harris going into the Cardinals locker
Speaker 1: room with a couple of games to go. I do
Speaker 1: want to say something about Wilson and Harris because both
Speaker 1: of those guys addressed the team in a meeting within
Speaker 1: the last two weeks. I am told with the message
Speaker 1: of hey, we're coming down the stretch here. You guys
Speaker 1: need to work and we need to work too. They
Speaker 1: may blow up the whole thing, but if we're moving
Speaker 1: forward as the general managers or one out of the
Speaker 1: two of them and the other one still may be
Speaker 1: perhaps in place. We want to see guys that are
Speaker 1: willing to put in the work around here. So this
Speaker 1: feels like a time where a changing culture is much
Speaker 1: needed for the Arizona Cardinals. And I know that that
Speaker 1: was taken two different ways by the players in the room.
Speaker 1: It sounds like some guys were a little perturbed by it,
Speaker 1: but other guys, some veterans who have been successful around
Speaker 1: the league, said that needed to be said. So they
Speaker 1: appreciated the message from Adrian Wilson. He's got a shot
Speaker 1: as well as Harris, to keep the job there as
Speaker 1: the general manager going forward. And if so, look for
Speaker 1: want you to be a big thing that he's looking
Speaker 1: to push forward and to change in Arizona. And you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe that was telling. Maybe they're looking for
Speaker 1: guy's reactions because if you are perturbed by being asked
Speaker 1: to do your job at your utmost, then guess what,
Speaker 1: Maybe you are part of the problem instead of part
Speaker 1: of the solution going forward. Man PAULI, you should never
Speaker 1: be upset that somebody would walk up and challenge you.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what leadership really is, in my opinion. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it is. It's not screaming rah rah rah. We're
Speaker 1: going to hit him high hit him five dance. It's
Speaker 1: not that, it's it's about being accountable. First of all,
Speaker 1: you being accountable, holding yourself to a standard. You'll never
Speaker 1: hold any of your teammates too. You be accountable to
Speaker 1: that level. And then because you go about your business
Speaker 1: in the right way and you you engage in the
Speaker 1: essence of the game of football, then after holding yourself
Speaker 1: accountable first, you're able to walk up on your teammates
Speaker 1: and say, dude, man, this isn't who you are. What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Because you're out there making mistakes and
Speaker 1: you're killing us. You have to hold your teammates accountable.
Speaker 1: But the only way you can do that, Polly, is
Speaker 1: to hold yourself first accountable. Look at the Lions and
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions turn around and the sort of player
Speaker 1: they've tried to bring in. We're not talking necessarily skill set,
Speaker 1: but mindset, yes, and there's a real distinct difference as
Speaker 1: to maybe what the Lions used to pursue in terms
Speaker 1: of a player and what they've currently been going after. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is more of an old school, in your
Speaker 1: face type of head coach, but they want that mentality
Speaker 1: in that locker room that has enabled the Lions, in
Speaker 1: their woeful ways, to turn it around and have quite
Speaker 1: a finish to the season, and it looks like a
Speaker 1: pretty bright future. Oh my goodness, Polly, I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you brought them up because that is exhibit at of
Speaker 1: what culture can truly do for you. I think of
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, of course, Chris Spielman as well, who is
Speaker 1: integral inside that organization in the front office. Doesn't really
Speaker 1: have a position, like he's not general manager, he's not
Speaker 1: the director of a player personnel, he's not the president.
Speaker 1: He's just a guy who's walking around basically, and he
Speaker 1: brings that culture with Dan Campbell, and they demanded of
Speaker 1: everyone they bring in the organization, Paul, you better be tough,
Speaker 1: you better be physical, or you're not going to do
Speaker 1: well here. Hey, it can be done. Brian Dable just
Speaker 1: led the Giants from four and thirteen to the playoffs. Yes,
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones who was taken behind Kyler Murray. And oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know what the Giants had to
Speaker 1: deal with this year, a staggering fifty five million dollars
Speaker 1: in dead money, and they were still able to get
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. So the first time since two sixteen
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Speaker 1: Lauren Coble, Ron Wolfley. I'm Paul Calveci. This has been
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